Arete Podcast #19: American vs Canadian Politics with Justin Spurr & Toast

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Spurr is a podcast that is brought to you by TrophySmack.com and the Spurr of the Moment podcast, which we are joined tonight by Justin.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it's funny you say TrophySmack.com.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, yeah it's right there. And then Justin is also one of the hosts of Spurr of the Moment and we're also joined by Toast, the co-host with the most, my two favorite Canadians. How's it going fellas?

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty good.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what's really funny is you two have never met each other before and you're from, I mean I guess you're not full opposite ends of the country but close enough.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Close enough, yeah.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing on the East Coast.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't like the new fees?

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I like new fees.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a friend in Newfoundland so I have to be kind to the new fees. But I have to, before we jump into anything, I have to ask Toast because I learned about this. So I asked a bunch of people, I asked Jordan, I asked my friends about the Canadian hierarchy, which goes as such.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: British Columbians hate people from Ontario but people from Ontario have no clue and all of us hate Quebec. We all hate Quebec.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that is pretty much on the money.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, okay.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But I will give two addendums to that. So the first thing is I actually really like Quebecers. Maybe that's because I'm really European and I think Quebecers are more European but I really like Quebecers.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But they're fucking dickheads. They are dickheads. They really are and they're very like, because the whole English-French battle is very front and centre in Quebec.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly they're very prejudiced against Anglophones.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you go there, you really got to at least try to speak a little French and they appreciate it a lot.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a cousin who lives in Montreal in Hoshliaga-Maisonneuve is the neighbourhood. It's basically close to the biodome.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they're cool man. They'll fight you and they're also crazy fucking drivers as well.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the second addendum is that I always hear from my West Coast friends that West Coast is the best coast and they say that Ontario was really fucking ugly. And from what I've seen pictures wise, it is true.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I will say. The truth behind that is you guys kind of have all the power out there and we have none of the power. So I think that's maybe all of it.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You guys have the second most share of power. Now you're right. Let's say if we had 70% of the power, you guys have maybe 10%. But you guys have 10% and everybody else has less than 10%.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_00]: By the time our polls close at 7 o'clock my time, the election is already over. Like I've never seen Dresd Clumsby impact an election in my entire life.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean that's kind of true for the states too. But not so much because California is, I think California actually does have the largest number of electoral votes. It's just we all know where they're going.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So by the time the polls, well before the polls close in California, everybody pretty much knows for the most part the last two elections not withstanding because there was some discrepancy shall we say. And then of course 2001, or 2000 rather.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But America, okay number one you guys have way more major markets. And when I say major markets I mean in the sense of like if you're an advertiser I work in advertising.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You guys have a lot more major markets number one and two when it comes to polling. The swing states change every year.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Now in Canada you have three major markets from both a political as well as an advertising perspective which is Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: 80% of Canada's population is centred in those three places specifically Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But those can disproportionately be liberal though. That's the thing.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Well that's big cities.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Even, well no even in Texas Austin is considered more for Texas Austin is very left leaning.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Well I was going to say Alberta's not like that though. Alberta you almost know Alberta will always vote conservative. It's just the way they are.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But Calgary, Calgary's actually not that big. I would compare the size of Calgary. I think it's comparable to Hamilton here.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And Hamilton is not considered, Hamilton I guess for Ontario is considered a major city but like there's not really that much in Hamilton.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: All the major companies, most of the manufacturing all these things happen pretty much in Toronto and then the greater GTA.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of want to spearhead because we're going to try to keep her focused on politics but obviously culture and geography and things are going to come up.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But I kind of want to start this by first giving the Canadian Parliament some praise and there's something that you guys do that I absolutely love and I wish the United States would do it.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: However, I understand why we don't because there would be zero decorum if we did it. There seems to be at least some partial restraint on the Canadian side.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's basically your guys, the conservatives and the liberals will basically, it's like a spoken rap battle.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You just go back and forth just dissing each other and I love it.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: They're talking about question period.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Love it.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Those are the best when you see clips from question period. They're always still, and then they got all their little teammates cheering them on.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They actually, you know they have writers for question period right?

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not surprised.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That being said, Ploiev, like I guess maybe it's his delivery, maybe he helps write. I like him. He's good.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how I discovered this because I saw him just ripping on Trudeau and I'm like, I love this as a concept.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, I'm not picking on Trudeau right now. I just, I love this as a concept.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, the most important thing the US has ever had is Trump in a debate because he was just wrong.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know man. I think your guys' filibuster is just Chef's Kiss amazing.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: When you see clips of guys, I saw one where it was this guy just reading from a book to just fill time.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the filibuster is really great.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It is pretty sweet.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you guys please explain to me what a filibuster is? Because the only thing I really know about a filibuster is that it was in The Simpsons.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So a filibuster...

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was in The Coast of Washington.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a dog with the shifty eyes.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So a filibuster is essentially a stall for time. So what happens is there's a time limit for a House of Congress to be in session, right?

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And so a filibuster, and there are rules associated with it.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: There's actually an episode of Carks and Rec that explains it extremely well in layman's terms.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're trying to stall a vote from happening, you get up and you are allowed to hold the podium for as long as you want.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is you can't leave, you can't take a break, you can't even sit down.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, there's no limits to what you can talk about, but you have to keep it going.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And oftentimes it will be a joint effort to keep that going.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But sometimes you've had people do it all.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was Ted Cruz, this was some time ago, but somebody was literally reading Green Eggs and Ham.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's funny, that's when I was approaching Ted Cruz.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I watched last week tonight, he has a running gag where he goes, I do not like that man Ted Cruz.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It was Ted Cruz, yeah.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, wait, hold on. This was like a poem about Ted Cruz and the style of Green Eggs and Ham?

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That's really funny.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that guy.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, John Oliver. But it was because he read Green Eggs and Ham as part of a filibuster.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. I don't really like that.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a reference to that. Yeah, that's the only reason why I knew that because I do not like that man Ted Cruz.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: His face looks like a mercantil.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: His nose and beard looks like a mercantil.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is a hilarious bit about Ted Cruz because for a long time, people forget this,

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: for a very long time Ted Cruz did not have a beard.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And I always said his chin looks like a ball sack.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And I said if this man was smart, he should grow a beard.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And then like a year later, he grew a beard and he got way more popular.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_00]: That's very funny.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean he got way more popular and I said he just needed to cover up that ball sack.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so funny.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That's really funny.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_00]: The other thing I know about the filibusters, I heard some story anecdote.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who it was. I don't remember the exact context of it.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I heard that apparently some guy pissed into a bucket off of the Senate floor so he wouldn't leave the Senate floor so he could continue to filibuster.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's true or not. I don't think so man.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so. I think they would have been able to do that.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: They have rules of decoy.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I literally just before I got on here, because I had to charge my phone, I had a shit charger anyways,

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I was listening to, there's a guy, a YouTuber called Don't Walk Run Productions.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He does like American political commentary.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: This is an older episode but it was about the Tennessee 3.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He was talking about in that particular Congressional hall, whatever you call it, in Alabama I guess,

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: one of the Tennessee 3 showed up wearing a dashiki just to make a statement.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not about like, okay, yeah, whatever, a dashiki might be considered professional wear in other parts of the world,

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: but not in the United States and not in a Congressional house.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: He was talking about the respect for the house and how this older black congresswoman who had passed away

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: had given him shit one day because he didn't come wearing a tie and now he'll just keep the tie in his office

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: because he's afraid to show up without the tie.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I thought that was very interesting.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But basically they moved to kick that guy wearing the dashiki out,

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: not because the dashiki is, you know, oh it's an African garment we can't have it.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not because of that, it's because it has to follow the precedent of the American people.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but knowing Alabama, I'm going to say it probably was because it was an African garment.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: See, here's the thing, I don't know what the actual rules are,

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_03]: but I'll put it to you this way, you'll never hear that story happening in California.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, you wouldn't.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know, I kind of want to, I look at things we thought would be able to have some structure to this,

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's just pure chaos whenever I'm involved.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So, are you guys, I know you are Justin because we've had a few conversations

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and I know you are, so I know the answer to this very rhetorical question.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So, are you guys following the presidential election in the United States?

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, gosh darn it, you better believe I am.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You're darn tootin' we are.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It's sort of like that meme of being like, this is fine, this is fine, that's kind of what it looks like.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: What was your guys' reaction when Joe Biden actually dropped out?

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't think I asked you this, Justin.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Long overdue, what do you mean?

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I messaged you instantly and said this was the plan the whole time.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I do not repeat it, I said this was the plan the whole time, right? Question mark.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they sped up their plan by about four years for sure,

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_03]: but just so everybody knows, if you follow the podcast you know this already.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Justin, you kind of profess to be a little bit more liberal leaning,

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: although to call you a liberal would be disingenuous.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I thought about how I would, because to be fair,

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: to be 100% fair our government does work differently than you.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So like, while I don't vote liberal, my ideal version of government is a minority government

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: with either not necessarily the liberals, I can live with the conservatives,

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: but I don't think any one should have a majority government.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That's just what I believe.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Justin, would you say you're a classical liberal?

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're all classical liberals.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't classically put myself in that category, my views are a little different,

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: but I respect classic.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say, Tos, do you consider yourself more right leaning?

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, honestly I won't say my exact political affiliation,

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: but I'm pretty far right wing with some libertarian elements to what I think about,

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: because at the end of the day I do believe in the idea that every man should be free to do what they want

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: as long as you're not infringing on someone else's rights.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's something that maybe, that's the libertarian part of it I think.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I can do a leader at that.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm very right wing, let's not get it twisted.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What happens to me is like I can't really have political discussions with people

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: simply because especially in Canada most people get very emotional when you talk to them.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: There are sensitive issues, right?

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Immigration or whatever it is.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And I understand why people get emotional, but at the end of the day

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of people are not able to have a mature conversation

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and listen to views of somebody they don't necessarily agree with.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll put it to date too.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Justin can speak to that.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about communism and socialism.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We live in a basically pseudo socialist economy and cultural environment here in Canada.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Now there are aspects of socialism that I approve of.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: For example, free healthcare.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I am somebody who uses free healthcare regularly.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really glad we don't have the situation.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, maybe healthcare quality is better in the United States as a result of the free market

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: indicating that prices will be lower and that the quality will be higher.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean from personal experience I have a friend who lives in Virginia.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That person one year that I knew them they spent $155,000 on fucking hospital bills out of pocket.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That's with insurance.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah when they were just doing tests to figure if something was wrong.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Now again I understand that depends on the state, depends on your insurance.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the thing though, healthcare I like it.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Now when it comes to communism, okay, communism is something that is espoused by many Canadians freely and openly.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: People walk around wearing Che Guevara shirts and talk about a socialist uprising and this that and the other.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be honest I hate communists but I will be polite to them

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and I will have a conversation with them if they're able to do it.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But the problem has been that communists in Canada are very violent.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They're very violent and I've been you know what I mean I've had situations with them

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: so you can't really have that kind of level of what's the word I'm looking for.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You know when you talk to somebody you both decorum or even to learning from other people.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: How are you supposed to learn from somebody when you can't have a conversation?

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, exactly.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: How can I even if I think you're wrong, how can I convince you that I'm right if I don't have a conversation with you?

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Precisely and then in the war of free ideas, okay, if your ideas if you are so convicted to a particular extreme stance on religion, on healthcare, on immigration whatever it is.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: If you are that convinced of that true in your conviction then why can't you argue your ideas

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and shouldn't your ideas best the ideas of the person you're arguing with right.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But the problem is I think, whoops drop my weed, I think communists apparently know their ideas.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just about to grind this flip because I'm enjoying this conversation and because we live in Canada.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So no see that's another thing.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Last thing I'll say, I despise this Liberal government but you know what Trudeau did one thing exactly right and I'm very pleased he did is that he legalized marijuana.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's also paving the way for a more sensible and proactive drug policy and the thing I'm worried about the Conservatives taking over because let's face it the Conservatives are going to win our next election.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm worried that Pauly F might try to turn the dial back on some of those progressive.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's my fear.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and that's a thing see that's another thing that I contrast with with my right wing counterparts is that I am pro.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you know I understand that that drug addiction and the drug crisis we're facing is a crisis of mental health.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a it's not a crisis that can be solved with punitive actions like placing people in jail for nonviolent drug offenses.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I am of the firm belief that you have to let people do what they do because there is physically no there's literally no way to stop people consuming drugs, drug trade, the black market.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: There is no way to consume it. The only way forward is literally to regulate and deal with and legalize or decriminalize and make profit you know for the country that we can fund back into health programs.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I would say sorry sorry Jack I don't mean to cut you off.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: No no you're good.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: What I would say to the point of not being able to there is a point there's a point that I sort of pinpointed in Canadian politics where what what you're talking about kind of happened and maybe maybe for different reasons than from your perspective but for me it begins with Justin Trudeau.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And it begins with a series of political ads that Jordan would instantly recognize where they just kept saying he's just not ready.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_00]: He's just not ready and it was like and the budget will balance itself and it was just one of those political attack ads where you could tell what he was being said was being taken out of context and it was like that moment where people just decided they hated Justin Trudeau.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it didn't really matter what he did. It really didn't matter what he did.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Turned it into their entire personality was hating sure young pretty boy that nobody liked.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was kind of his whole deal.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But let's be let's be realistic about his background.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay the kids he's he's a child of nepotism right.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The only reason the only reason he had such a high profile status within the Liberal Party in the first place is because of his family because of the Trudeau Foundation the donation they've made.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You know they're an old the Trudeaus are an old money Canadian family I'm pretty sure they were like maybe not one of the founding families but their family came to Canada like very very early on right.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And so as a result of that and you know what you're absolutely right those ads were a little ridiculous and that's that's that's the the the that's a symptom of the two party system that we live in now right.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean have you seen some of the attack ads against Trump.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say I was going to say those political those political attack ads sound like training wheels compared to what you want to talk.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean you want to talk about taking stuff out of context and I will I will say this I've said it so many times.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a Trump supporter and thank you for that because I just remember what I was going to bring up now but I kind of like I said very early on in his presidency as I can't believe you assholes are making me defend Donald fucking Trump because you just like

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: because you just keep lying about it and I still maintain even as a candidate even as a candidate Trump was never given a fair shake because he was Satan incarnate from day one.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean I kind of I kind of am a little soft on Trump I'm not going to lie but it's because I understand that the entire media apparatus the major media apparatus is

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_03]: has is and has been against him from day one but like you pointed out you're not you're no fan of Justin Trudeau but you can agree with policy.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of have the opposite I have the opposite thing with Trump so I liked a lot of Trump administration policy but the one place I just can't get on board with him is his immigration policy now I agree with a lot of the diagnosis immigration policy specifically.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So so yeah I'm going to talk I'll get there I agree with a lot of I agree with a lot of the diagnosis but when he talks about the thing of it is I'm not like I know better he.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Trump keeps saying he'll do the largest mass deportation in US history and frankly he just he can't do it which is why I'm not really worried if Trump were to be elected but just the concept of it and then he was trying to make it a policy where.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: You know even spouses of American citizens could be deported and I'm just like we're taking it just a smidge too far I totally agree our immigration policy needs to be reformed but I'm actually a big fan of like the Reagan era policy where he did.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I think there has to be a give and take here so I think that my proposal that I've always said is I think if you're going to actually fix immigration in the US which they'll never fucking do.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you were going to do it you would have to like drastically change the rules get a lot more judges build a border but like I'm a little bit of everything I think there could be a border wall on the southern border and not this half ass thing we have now.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Because the Democratic National Convention has proved that even the left believes walls work because they put up them fences fast.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait walls work but walls.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Lost no he worked he taught.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He was he was a teacher.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Was he okay.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard him called VP dad.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I've heard him get surprised at.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh God they're forcing that down but so but the big thing is actually this didn't happen under Reagan.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_03]: In addition to large scale immigration reform there had to be a blanket amnesty policy there just has to be it's not feasible to go through and deport just so many people who honestly many of them just exploited the system as it was not without it looking slightly fascist.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Well and then there's the fact that I just wish I wish that a lot not all Republicans but there's quite a few Republicans who like if they just got on stage and said you know what it is a little fucking racist because I don't like brown people like there are some of them.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I would have a little bit more respect because they because nobody's worried about it.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Well nobody's worried about a Canadian overstaying their visa.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But you notice how.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: True.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you notice that's actually yeah you're right.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And Kamala's quest for power she has flipped flopped on her position on things like immigration so much.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Can you do me one can you do me one favor toast.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Can you can you flip your phone up just a smidge if you can to not show what you're doing because I apologize.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_03]: No you're good you're good because unfortunately I live in America.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So sorry I know you're good you're good.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah they didn't see it yet.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_03]: You're rolling tobacco.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I am rolling tobacco that's exactly what's happening.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll make sure this stays off camera.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's totally legal thank you I appreciate that.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Because yeah that's totally okay.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that's so funny you just reminded me because it's still illegal in Indiana but it's kind of like a we all know what you're doing but there used to be a record store in the town I grew up in and they sold tobacco paraphernalia but the funny thing is all their all their signs had tobacco paraphernalia in quotes.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so funny.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sorry so I was just going to say after you after you please.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say that I am not Justin Trudeau supporter I need to be clear on that in terms of our politics I voted him for the one thing I got the one thing they can bend him for all I care.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Was that one thing legalization.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah that one thing was actually legalization.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I got the legalization I can go I can walk into a store and buy it legally it's awesome.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm cool with that.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing I find with our political system of our political system a lot of people just don't understand how it works and think thinks we're America like when people are like oh Justin Trudeau needs to resign.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure great all right now Christina Freeland is our prime minister and the liberals are still in charge.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: It changes nothing.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Who how what are you going to do now like that.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: That's my thing that's true.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I as a Western Canadian any of my Western Canadian friends we can't vote for Justin Trudeau like we can't vote for him.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's just that's not how our political system works.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_02]: What's your take on what's your take like how do you think Trudeau Trudeau's liberals policy has affected the Western provinces.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I am an individual level a lot of a lot of his stuff has benefited me in the sense that like various tax credits and whatnot have definitely saved my bacon.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I tend to I tend to my thing is I like a liberal I like a liberal government that's being bullied by the NDP because I'm one of those people that wants the more socialist policies.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So I want I want stuff like the free dental care and I want free eye care I think that should be covered.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I like that I like it when the NDP not not like not like I don't want them to pay for expensive glasses but like anything in my opinion that affects your day to day life.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So I woke up one morning and I had completely smashed my glasses.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not blind. I can't work. I can't drive. I can't do anything.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: The government should cover my fucking eyeglasses. That's part of my day to day.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I hear what you mean. I hear what you mean about dental work because there is a work.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah there was a period of my life where I just didn't I didn't have insurance.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I was working either under the table or like my the jobs that I have didn't have good benefits.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So I won a period of like six years without seeing a dentist and that was kind of trash right.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But you see I think that I'm trying to like just make sure I parse my words really carefully.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that the Trudeau government's fucking focus on climate change is like this big issue.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_02]: They're putting so much money into the redefining industry that it's making everything else fucking crazy expensive right.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this carbon tax is making food dude I literally literally this evening I went to the grocery store and I spent a lot of money.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Not a fan of the carbon tax.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Bro I spent well because you mentioned the benefits right.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The benefits are nice but at the end of the day this carbon tax is pricing us out of existence.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a lot of clients that I work they work in the my clients are in the construction industry.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The price of lumber has dropped fucking maybe half a percent in the last four years.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Material is expensive gas to go see jobs is expensive and like you know if you remember maybe like seven years ago we had this

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: not what's the opposite of a boom a recession recession tradespeople a recession of tradespeople right.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we have an overabundance of tradespeople but they cannot get the materials to work there isn't enough work simply to go around

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_02]: because people are less people are doing work on their house because they can't afford dude I spent two hundred dollars in groceries two hundred and four dollars.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I have enough food to last me maybe two and a half weeks.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That's yeah yeah.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy and these and those benefits I agree that those benefits are great but they really don't do much to help us right.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: If things were cheaper we would be even be able to afford our own insurance.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Well even.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So that way when he breaks his glasses he can get it fucking fixed right away or even dental at least if things were cheaper we'd be able to do that.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: The way that the government is going there maybe they'll give us dental care eventually because I know they introduced it for kids under 12.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But how long.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm here in D.C.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_00]: We have I have an option in my in my health care to sign up for it so I think it's out here maybe it's a provincial thing but to be fair we're kind of similar in the sense that our provincial governments operate separately and they don't always operate great with the federal government.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's that's the wet dream of the United States but it's funny because you say that.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's funny I was thinking about it today because you're you are actually one of the factors that kind of spearheaded my change in opinion when it comes to like universal health care because now well because now I am well I mean you hear enough Canadians talk about how fucking great it is.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And again you don't have to think about for very long when it's like oh because I mean like I'll just say I'm not embarrassed about it.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have insurance so if I if I will like I tweaked my knee and I was freaking the fuck out because I'm like fuck if I need surgery I'm done like I'm like any savings I have is going to go to this blah blah blah yada yada yada.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So I totally get it but I think we had this discussion to my issue wasn't so much the pay for part like a lot of Republicans are like all this should be so expensive and I'm like yeah but let's be honest here.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_03]: The issue was paying for health care in the United States isn't so much the how much it would cost it's the fact that the federal government already spends so much goddamn money that if you have the health care costs on top of that you'd have to raise taxes but even that.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not the end of the world because I'll be honest with you I gleefully pay higher taxes a little bit higher taxes if I didn't have to worry about health care like that is not.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I operate here. Here's what I can tell you two anecdotes about about our system versus your system.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I live on the lower ass end of poor okay. I joke I live on the poverty the borderline poverty diet like that's just that's just how I so like I've had to do several overnight to the hospital that were I to live in America I probably dead so like I appreciate our health care system on that basis alone now either be better in severe amounts of debt.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Service.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah but so I have a story about that too they can't refuse to service but you may or may not.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You may or may not be getting the best.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: You kind of have to get adequate care.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The guys who have more money get better service that's kind of right.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. Well that's why I supported to your health care system right because to tear well it will take pressure off of the public the public stream okay for people who want better health care or don't want to wait the long lines because yes wait times in our system current system is bad.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It is pretty bad but the level of care you do eventually get as good now it just it sucks for you a like yo you need a kidney you're fucked.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You need a kidney like you're you're done like that's the only thing you can do about that but.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_00]: The why in my in my local hospital it's not it's not it's it can be bad depending on when you go but it's not so bad.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a Surrey Memorial which is like a way bigger city I had to I got hit by a car once and I went to their hospital and I was there for like I think eight maybe 10 hours just waiting so I so I fully I fully understand what what people say like when they're like our weight the weights are too long.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I totally get that totally appreciate what people mean with this is like I I sat I sat and I've said sat in that weight rooms in utter pain waiting.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But the reason why will forever be like our system's better than the Americans is my my uncle passed away from from colon cancer when he was like 50 like when he was quite young.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And he he didn't get checked out because he couldn't afford it because he didn't have insurance and not getting checked out when he could have is what eventually led to his death my dad had a similar.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Examination and then he discovered a similar thing in his body but because he's Canadian they removed it took it out no problem if my uncle had come home and got checked out because he's born Canadian he would probably still be.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Around today so I will kind of never forget forgive the American health care system for that.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So I've got an idea I've got an I'll go ahead toast.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just going to say yeah so like then Shapiro's arguments about like a free market health care system like number one you can't force a doctor to treat you and the number two.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That the invisible hand of the market will make health care both cheaper and a higher quality I'm not sure if that's been the case in America.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It hasn't it hasn't been and I can explain why though but continue.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I well yeah so so i'm not sure that you know like I wouldn't say that health care is a right because ultimately you cannot force somebody to treat you but the mandate of a person who gets into health care does it because they want to help people.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes you have to make money on it so that you can make a living but that's not why people are doctors and there's lots of doctors I'm sure there's lots of examples of times where maybe a doctor you know the person's HMO didn't cover this but they're like you know what fuck it I'll just do it anyways.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_03]: All the time yeah.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Doctors doctors don't give a shit like they make so much fucking money and ultimately they are there to help people anyways right.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_03]: That's well so I have so I'll touch on this a little bit so because I'm not saying Ben's right but I have to do the whole thing like Ben's characterization of the free market is here at least theoretically because there's a myriad of other factors that can come into play.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: The problem is that the US health care system is not a free market health care system it's this weird corporatist.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't even know what your behemoth of like insurance companies but fucking.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll go ahead.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry to cut you off but you're really not really made me think or kind of was a shock to me that hospitals for privately owned that to me some are not all of them some are some I know that's not all of them.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that it's just some but the fact that there is even such a thing like like so a doctor a really rich doctor just wakes up one day and he's like yo I'm gonna build a hospital and then he runs a for profit.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, they're usually that's crazy. Well they're usually they're usually run like a corporation so it's not like a sole entity however board of directors and shit yeah because I lately I've been calling some hair health care providers like Northwell partners partners as a company that owns hospitals

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: multiple health centers in multiple states.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Well, this is this old this will fuck with you. If I like because obviously there's a proximity consideration but if I needed to go to a hospital of any kind at least where I live.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_03]: My least desired place would be to go to like a county hospital like a state run hospital, because why.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Because generally speaking at least it's been my experience the care is just not there's generally because they this sounds so bad but it's true they tend to cater to like lower income area so there's a lot more so.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So hold on. Is there a noticeable difference in the quality of the healthcare received like for example, my experience. Yes, you go there to get stitches there's a higher likelihood that the stitches are going to become infected or like we're not done correctly.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a thing.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, standardized level of performance for any kind of health care like you think now I'm not.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have health Canada health Canada sets the guidelines that every, you know health practitioner has to follow x y zed guidelines you know in order to practice health because like even to get.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: We like we do have privately owned medical like you know like a walking clinic is owned right but we have the national insurance so in Ontario it's oh him.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You go to be like what do you guys have in BC what's the BC equivalent.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's BC medical.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: BC medical like what do you get a health card right. Yeah, issues who issues your health.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it's BC medical. I wish I had my wallet in America that they tell you.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen a yeah so in Ontario it's oh hit the Ontario health insurance plan so basically you fucking you you know like we do have privately owned things but they build the government, so it is free for everybody you understand like.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So but so but my mid would be a private hospital but believe it or not my preferred, and again at least in my local area is a religious hospital.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a hospital that's run that's run by a church. I mean, I essentially yeah.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Anything side is a good hospital.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's right up there yet.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But so anyway I'm going to do we're going to do a quick sponsorship spot and then I haven't I have an idea we're going to solve. We're going to put our heads together we're going to create in our little dream world hybrid health system that will solve all the problems of both sides.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I guys, I'm having phone troubles like my battery won't charge so like I have 10% left if my phone dies, please carry on without me but I'm going to go plug it in the ceiling.

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[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay so the first thing we need to do is we need to identify problems.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So obviously the issues with the American health care system is there's a lack of coverage and there's a lack of affordability.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_03]: There's not really a lack of care per se because if you can afford it you'll get the best care of arguably anywhere in the world.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And we also do have the highest five-year cancer survival rate of anywhere in the entire world.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's things to consider there.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But affordability and availability as in the ability to get medical care which I think is all tied to affordability.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's the big one.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And Canada's problems are mostly wait times for right.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we would say wait time for a minute to play.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It depends on what the issue is.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Some things you'll be quick to be honest.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I've never had an extreme wait that was completely ridiculous.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The longest I've ever waited for anything was I think when I was a kid I had to wait maybe six hours to get stitches.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But like recently maybe like two years ago I broke my hand fighting and I was in a note with the cast x-rays and cast everything within two and a half hours.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It really depends on how you're injured.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you walk in with your gut spilling out they're going to rush you in pretty quickly.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I went in with a back injury and I stood there and it was like I pulled my sciatica and I was in screaming pain.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Like literally I they made me sit in like the waiting area and I stood at the nurses station and I was like is it OK if I just I don't know if you if you watch Friends.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know the bit where Joey has the hernia and he's like is it all right if I just scream until you yell action.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like is it all right if I just stand here and scream.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And I did that for like 10 minutes and then they brought me in right away.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So like when you do stuff like that they bring you in faster.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And that is that is sort of the dirty little secret that nobody really talks about about the American system is like if you go to an emergency room it is based on severity of need because I walked in there with a.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: With an injured knee it dislocated me and I waited for I don't remember how long I waited but it wasn't a little bit.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean I was there for you know a minute they do basically because obviously if somebody comes in with a gunshot wound or like you said if there's guts are spilling out they're being taken in immediately and then they kind of do everything else as needed.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So it seems like the biggest issues with the Canadian system are basically availability.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So I was actually thinking about this today.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a hybrid system that I kind of came up with and believe me it's going to have its issues that's why I'm telling you because you guys will probably identify it.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But what if we had a system where you basically had a single payer system like Canada has for the little ship the normal share like broken arms skin knees like colds the regular shit that everybody's going to experience an emergency stuff.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah yeah yeah yeah that stuff is all covered by a national system but let's say that you also have because there are things I don't know if they have these in Canada but they are there are insurance plans that a lot of entrepreneurs have to get them because it's the only thing they can afford.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Is these they're catastrophic plans like in the event that you get into an a car pile up like your cover.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But you don't have you don't have insurance for like the like if you get the sniffles you're not going to be covered for that.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But kind of a side note I've often argued that one of the biggest problems with American insurance is the fact that like a lot of people use insurance for shit that's not really for insurance i.e.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if I get a cold and I go to the doctor I shouldn't have to use insurance for that.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Like but there's a bunch of premiums go up to it disincentivizes going to the doctor when you're sick.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I've seen tons of videos of people the ambulance gets called and people run away because they don't want to pay for the fucking ambulance.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So so it's a little bit different for things like a checkup or cold.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That's generally included in your like they're they expect it to happen.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's generally speaking that's included.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So any time you make a claim your premiums don't necessarily go up.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Not necessarily. It does depend.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But again you're not I would say if you go.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_03]: If you go for if you go for like a cold or something I think and this is the other thing that's really fucked up.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is the biggest problem with the American system is the fact that when you go you don't necessarily for sure know if insurance is going to cover it and you certainly don't know how much it's going to cost up from.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the biggest issue.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so then if it's out of your budget then you can't go get yourself treated for whatever it is.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Well or you may have already been treated but then they submit it to insurance and insurance goes this isn't medically necessary we're not covering it.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you spent six months arguing with them.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: This sounds like that.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So far.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Navigating the American oh my god.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Except for those guys will never have to navigate the American health care system because they're fucking rich so they can buy their way to the front of the line.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why that's why we should have a two tier system there should be health care available for people who want to pay for it to be treated faster and then there should be a strong national social security net that caters to only citizens right that you pay into that will cover your basic shit.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_00]: That's only flaw with that.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And I used to very much be on your side on that and I am to a degree still for that.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And I mostly say this is devil at devil's advocate, but some people would point out that what has the potential to happen is rich people by that returns into a game of now rich people can buy organs, essentially, where like a lot of a big problem in America and Canada

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_00]: is wait lists right. So like for scans for this for that you have six seven eight like my mom waited like I like I think 10 months or nine months for a scan.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So what that becomes is then rich people could just buy their way to the front of the line, and the poor people who aren't paying for it get fucked like that that a lot of potential flaw in that they get all the good shit and we get the leftovers.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it's what would happen. I'm just saying it's the potential.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I think what toast is pointing to is maybe something more like.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So there are like dog. Again, I think this is the case in Canada well surely you guys have private practice to an extent.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But like yeah, yeah, you would probably have some private practice offices spring up.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: They cater to the wealthier but the poor people aren't going to go there anyway because they don't take like in the United States it would be Medicare for all.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, some offices don't accept Medicare, so they don't even have what this which is another problem though with a single payer system because if you have.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_03]: If it's purely profit driven with sheer point toast I don't think this is the case but if you are going from Ben Shapiro's perspective that it's all market based and there needs to be monetary incentive, then the inevitable problem comes with okay well then every doctor is just not going to accept Medicare anyway and they're just going to take pretty much.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you split it into the profit into a profit and nonprofit system, the nonprofit system is going to get fucked because all the money is going to go to where the money you know what I mean like.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well no because because it's not the case.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like privatized healthcare is illegal in Canada.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It just makes more sense. It makes more sense for most healthcare practitioners to participate in the public system they get paid enough money that it's it's incentivized enough for them to participate in there, but there still is private health care and honestly having private channel will take pressure off of the public channel

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, at the end of the day, public services are only as good as the country running them right you can't. It's not a magic potion where we can just make equal access to all healthcare for everybody that's impossible.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Right at the end of the day, it would be nice but at the end of the day, there is number one there's going to be priority number one priority goes to citizens automatically right so right there you have like a parameter in which to apply that health care.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that won't work. That won't work here because you'll have too many people crying racism.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It'll happen. I will say though we that Jake if you came to Canada, you don't get free health care you got to pay.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_03]: To be clear, I don't have a problem with that in theory because I would be purely exploiting your system by doing so.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I would be I would be I would be purely exploiting your system to do so.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm crazy when I see the media, come to Canada get free healthcare but no that's not how that's not how it works.

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You pay up the ass if you come here. I can say now the problem with I think socialized healthcare. Okay, and is the amount of bureaucracy that comes with it.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And with bureaucracy comes loopholes now speaking as a former criminal, I can say for certainty that there is lots of loopholes in this system I allow you to abuse the system and to make money off of it.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: There's lots of that and that is, I think a problem of just government being too big and inefficiencies of communication.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's why we need a more centralized government to start applying these fucking policies for them to work because it's just way too big.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, okay, you said centralized. See I wouldn't argue the opposite because the main issue I have with a government run healthcare system is cases like and I brought this up with you, so I don't know if you remember the Alfie Evans case in the UK, which again I'm not criticizing Canada this happened in the UK.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Like holy shit, if you want to talk about a fucked up healthcare system like Canada's got nothing on the UK.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that they... Canada's healthcare system is good.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I know and people, to be fair, people in the UK generally speaking do say they like it but there's I've seen too many cases of them being like we're cutting off benefits because we don't feel like paying for this and it's like you literally,

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And I get it. The kids were terminally ill but you literally killed babies because you just refused to give them care because they were quote unquote lost causes.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And the biggest thing about Alfie Evans is the fact that the parents like the Italian government gave Alfie Italian citizenship so that he could go to Italy and receive medical treatment, they just had to get him there and the UK government wouldn't let him leave.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole other...

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That shit would never happen in Canada.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a whole other bag of potatoes. In Europe it's so much more complicated because honestly the continent of Europe acts like one country with micro-chips in it.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially with the Eurozone and it just makes everything much much more complicated.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, so that's not really... but that's something if the US were to move to that kind of system that would be...

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Well that would be the first... that would be really my biggest worry is that because unfortunately, at least with the United States government, the US government sucks at everything it does except for military.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_03]: They kind of have that but even that I've heard from people in the military that it's horribly inefficient. It could be run much more efficiently.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But we just have so...

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And we can't have friends in the ranks like that.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But we have so much of the shit that like, I mean, militarily speaking, the American military will fuck shit up.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_02]: To compare the American and Canadian governments, I would say, compared to the size of the population, the American government is far more centralized.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The problem with the American government is that you guys don't necessarily have enough checks and balances.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's the thing about big government is checks and balances in order to achieve a more equal footing.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the more cooks in the pie... but that's the thing though, too many cooks in the kitchen ruins the broth.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but if you don't like, you know what I mean? But if you have too few cooks, then they can dictate policy that everybody else just has to follow.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the struggle of like our two countries, you know what I mean?

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: If America was going to adopt a socialized healthcare system, a better one, they should honestly just adopt Canada.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at it like province by province cases.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_03]: See, that's what I always say too is the fact that I would feel much more comfortable if it was a federal...

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, even it doesn't even necessarily have to be federally funded.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think honestly, if this is going to happen to the states, what has to happen is just a couple of states need to say, you know what, we're going to do this.

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Like my state, Indiana... well, my state, Indiana has its own version of like the... it's not really Medicare, but it's called the Healthy Indiana Plan.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It's funded by the state. It acts as social security healthcare from what I understand.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You probably make too much money to...

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I make too much money to be on it. Yeah.

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I don't know. But I know people that are on it and I think kids can be put on it like regardless.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure. I have to check on that.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But my point is my biggest thing is... and there's actually a lot of debate happening in the US right now about how much power the executive branch has, which that's the president, through federal agencies, which are directly...

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Once an agency is created, the executive agency, it is directly under the control of the president.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Congress allocates...

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Small group of people running all these agencies. And this is why, look, you guys will never have socialized healthcare because the pharmaceutical industry is way too big in the American state.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you look at the fentanyl epidemic and the opioid epidemic, that is a direct result of your healthcare system.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: The for-profit system has incentivized doctors to prescribe certain medications and certain procedures. Right? It's essentially fucking market cronyism within the...

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it goes worse than that. Like I'm sure you both are aware of the food pyramid, right?

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like the biggest fucking scam of life. Yes, you're exactly right. Dude, the food pyramid...

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It goes deeper. Yeah, it goes way deeper. Way deeper than that.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The amounts of carbs that they recommend is like the base of the pyramid.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Seven to ten servings a day.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck is... yo, that is crazy. And then monoculture, like wheat, just monoculture for things like soybeans and fucking corn and wheat is so bad for the environment and for the quality of the food.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And like your country has essentially... that's another problem too.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: The American dream has created these monopolies and industries from people who got in on it early. Like look at fucking GMO products, Monsanto.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, with Monsanto. See, here's the thing. Yeah, I was going to bring that up. It's funny because I'm not inherently against GMOs. It depends. It's a case by case basis for me.

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But Monsanto's shit about suing the small farmers because there incidentally was cross pollination. I'm like, fuck you. You don't get to own a fucking... you don't get to own a seed.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what they want to do. And see, okay, tinfoil hats on.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the fucking shadow government, you know, individuals within the shadow government who work in these industries cooperating, give the people food so they get sick so that we could sell them fucking medicine.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a never ending cycle. That's tinfoil hats, you know what I mean? But that's what I believe.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not necessarily maybe a shadow government like what would be Illuminati. It's just a small cadre of essentially oligarchs. You guys are essentially an oligarchy.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It's flat out corporatism and that's what I'm saying. That's why so many people, whenever I'm talking to someone in there, like fuck communism, I'm like no, no, no.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And I agree with you on this. For all of you, like everything that you guys are talking about, the ones that are debating me about capitalism, it's like everything that you're talking about is not capitalism.

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It's corporatism. It's when businesses and the government do this and then this.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_03]: When you're in... and then you take the American consumer and do this.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I heard, I'm watching the DNC and it's just like the Democratic National Convention. It's just like the level.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to talk about one thing so apparently, okay what I've been hearing is that Kamala wants to install fucking price controls. Soviet style price controls.

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_03]: She's not calling... so here's the thing, she's not calling them price controls?

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_02]: She's not calling them fucking Kamalanomics or whatever.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Well no, what she's saying is she wants to introduce legislation against price gouging but the funny thing is...

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_01]: What is price gouging?

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Well it's not defined by her and so if you... and I did this because I've heard people talking about it and I'm like there's no way.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_03]: These grocery chains where it relates the suppliers to the grocery chains, a lot of them are in the net negative right now.

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Now it's a market, it'll correct eventually but right now a lot of them are in the rent because they can't increase prices too much because people won't buy the shit.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But it'll correct eventually but they're certainly not price gouging. Like things are up, prices are up because of inflation.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I mean these companies, most food companies are beholden to a board of directors that has to report to shareholders.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: This is just the basic fucking reality of economics.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like yes when people are going to do a profession they have to make money on it because they have to survive while they're doing that profession.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And that profession requires however many hours a week in order to do the job. That's just basic shit you know what I mean?

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Well but it's like you said, yeah so what he's talking about is essentially price controls though and the thing is...

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah but price controls don't fucking work.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: No they do the opposite!

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah exactly, they're what's responsible for fucking bread lines and this kind of thing because then it de-incentivizes.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And what kills me is Kamala can maybe be forgiven if like let's say that price controls stop...

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_03]: No she would have been alive by then so this even but like fucking I'll still go with the example even though it's a bad one.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's say that price controls were only tried in the Soviet Union.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe Kamala could be forgiven even though the Soviet Union didn't fall until 1990, 1991 depending on where you were.

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing is, you know maybe Kamala wasn't alive to see the worst of it.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But the shit literally just happened in Venezuela not three years ago.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: No I think it was longer than that but six years ago maybe?

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's still going on now though.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's been in recent history and it's happened way more times than just the Soviet Union.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean you can point to really since the birth of communism you can really point to it and say here's the shit that didn't work.

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Like rent controls don't work. They have a net negative. They work initially but then you run out of places to live because if somebody can't make a profit on building buildings to rent out they're not going to do it anymore.

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it gets even worse because then you get scarcity.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like if I'm a bread manufacturer and I'm pulling numbers out of my ass but like let's say I'd say the average loaf of bread where I live is probably about three to four dollars.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just I mean you can get it cheaper but that's the shit store brand.

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So let's say the average loaf of bread where I live is three dollars.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: If Hamela says comes across and says you can't sell this for more than two dollars.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I only have two alternatives or three alternatives.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I can stop making bread. I can make shittier bread to cut costs or I can fire a bunch of people. Yes.

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Who ironically who will put more stress on the current employees because then they have to take on more work.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Well then you have more unemployed people who ironically go to bread lines and the bread puts even more stress on the whole thing.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that maybe that's why Bernie maybe that's why Bernie was like bread lines of goods.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: He did say that you do a good Bernie man.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: He did say he said that shit. I saw him say good. I saw him say that I was like.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: How did he just did he just fucking say that.

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what else is really crazy.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: American politicians are so fucking old compared to like Canadian politicians are much you got some young say I when it was still Joe Biden Donald Trump I said say what you will.

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Skippy's going to die anytime soon.

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just everyone's so fucking old. Look at Tim Walz.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at fucking Bernie look at Biden your president literally had to step down because of age related to men.

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So Joe Biden used to be an old age.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah but he's also he's true knows fucking evil man.

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly do true does evil. He doesn't give a fuck about the Canadian people and honestly he doesn't really know what he's doing.

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: He had no real experience like the reality is that he was a fucking high school teacher and there was this one debate where true knows like oh you know well.

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: What did you know is that because because all the have called him out for having no experience and then true does like oh I wonder what did nobody remembers what Polly have did before he became the leader of the opposition and then and then.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Well yeah we but we all remember why you got fired from that fucking high school right.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That's another thing to be true does a pedophile man he was having a fucking sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl while he was a with several girls apparently.

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw that. Yeah I saw that.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's fucking real bro like.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But I saw that I saw that I saw that clip I saw that video I saw a video of that and I didn't know that because I'm not Canadian so I had to look it up and I went.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh shit like I had no idea.

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's a real thing it's a real thing and nothing happened to him you know no charges nothing like that I think there was maybe an out of court settlement that was paid for by the Trudeau Foundation not even true to himself it was the Trudeau Foundation.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and everybody like you know everybody thinks like oh you know his dad Pierre Trudeau he was such a radical prime minister who cared about Canada he did pure wet's behind the queen.

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Bro the guy was in the queen's pocket just like he was a fucking dickhead he was an awful prime minister.

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually I got it I got to give a shout out to Trump for this one because I remember I think it was in 2017 or 2018 when he was still president and there was a big kerfuff one I don't know exactly what it I think he walked in front of the queen or beside her or something and apparently you're not supposed to do that and I said.

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what I said in response to that I was like listen if there's anyone on planet Earth that could be throwing shade at the Queen of England it's the president of the United States.

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of our deal.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: When she died though way too many of your conservatives were like yeah but maybe we need a queen maybe we should get a queen like I saw a lot of conservatives like licking licking some dead queen yeah oh yeah.

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Like there was a great number of conservative pundits who just because it was like they saw how sad the left it was one of those cases of the desire to quote own the left overrides how silly you look.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It was like you're you're American you shouldn't be praising the queen it's weird stop yeah well God so there there was a I had a video go viral work where I made fun of that and I so many Americans like yeah maybe like yell at me in my comfort yeah but we do need a king oh yeah.

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So I hate I'm really sorry to cut off but I have to I have to sign out now I'm really sorry but I have like a million other things I have to do I'm really sorry to just cut out so early but that's all good maybe we'll maybe we'll just do it again sometimes we've been going.

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Out yeah we're going for about an hour yeah I do apologize I you know my situation man but guys it was a pleasure Justin.

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Pleasure to meet you sir well I'll just let everybody everybody know in the comments I guess what we'll do because I don't want to do this without you buddy I don't it's gonna cause Justin and I have had so many of these conversations before.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we've had them so maybe we'll plan on doing this again we'll do this again maybe we'll just have you both on average intelligence to get some views over there but okay part parting with this.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Because when you sign off Justin will do your spot real quick sign off and then we'll all be on our merry way but.

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Real quick if there's one thing you could change about the United States toast what would it be.

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: One thing I could change about the magic magic wand.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably just your health care system honestly the United States yeah okay at the same I at the same time okay look.

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay maybe that or the number of like slummy cities you guys have because you guys have a lot of really shitty cities but there's lots of really good things about America right Americans okay number one the fact that America has such a big military America is like the world's big brother American.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Fucking takes care of everyone and certainly America takes care of Canada and I'm very grateful for that you know what I mean nobody's gonna invade Canada because of you guys.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's also very cold.

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Where in Canada.

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's nice it's nice.

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I know I know I'm fucking with you.

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I know I know.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I had a I had a buddy that was stationed in Alaska he was in the Air Force and there was one year where we're just uncharacteristically warm in Alaska during the winter and it would be like negative 12 here.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And he'd send us screenshots of his weather report that it was like 30 degrees in Alaska which is still kind of nippy but that's not that cold.

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's pretty good.

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The fall I mean Alaska Alaska though like a lot of its wilderness so there's a lot of like mosquitoes mosquitoes are really bad a lot of places and maybe infrastructure to is not that developed lots of dirt.

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I think he was an anchorage so I think he was.

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that obviously there's highways in America.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Alaska Alaska is not but there is a but a lot of Alaska's wilderness.

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah that's that's true that's true for Canada too is it not especially the more northern.

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Then it's right beside the Northwest Territories or the Yukon or something.

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yukon I believe it is a Yukon yeah.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Picture my Canadian map.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty sure you have pressure for you can.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well there is nothing out there actually you know what though.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Really quick that once they eat you maybe a long time ago I had a Tinder date of a girl from none none of us.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: This was years ago this was must have been maybe like 2013 or something 2014 and in none of us.

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay none of us is no first off it's like a dry place like because of the problems with alcohol with the native communities like or maybe it's not none of us itself.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Or where is she from?

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Iqaluit Iqaluit is the capital so I don't know if they sell booze in Iqaluit but everything there is so expensive because of the fact that you have to like fly it in and you can't fly most of the year.

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And like dude a thing of strawberries is like $200 a case of water $100.

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's crazy you know a 60 of vodka like on the black market goes for $700 so a 60 ounce bottle of vodka goes for like $600-700.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's crazy out there like they've got next level problems like food problems I think we complain about food being expensive here there is not even because you can't grow anything.

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah yeah yeah.

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I had a co-worker who used to or he was looking at doing the job that would fly out to places like that.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah yeah.

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And they pay absurdly well like it was a way of well paying job yeah.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: She made a lot of money yeah.

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh and another thing too she was blonde okay but she was native and she speaks Iqaluit and eats blubber and she was telling me about it and for her like Toronto was so strange and yeah it was very like it was crazy.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know when she came but and then some stuff happened that night that was also crazy.

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Was blubber involved?

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit maybe.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: No actually no no no no you know what I'm referring to actually is that I somebody home invaded me that day and she was in my house and I had to like protect her and I beat this I broke the guy's nose and then called the cops and like whatever I handled the situation and she was very impressed with it afterwards.

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And she told me and I felt good but I also felt very bad because you know what I mean it's Toronto and like they the people from those places you Toronto is like a very dangerous city.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And you would send her like ten messages being like don't worry baby Toronto's great super safe you know.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: No no she had come here before she was she had come here before she comes here for work yeah yeah yeah but which I don't even remember what she did but.

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You want to go to Surrey it's nice and safe that's that's a local equivalent for me.

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Perfectly safe city.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: My girlfriend my girlfriend came she lived in Vancouver like she lived on Hastings for time.

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: She lives commercial drive so she like.

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_00]: What's an American equivalent to East Hastings?

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fucking clueless.

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Any city Baltimore I don't know.

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Baltimore Baltimore yeah.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Or Skid Row Skid Row in LA.

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Skid Row yeah it's where all the homeless and all the drug addicts and everyone.

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: You could drive down East Hastings and it's safe and yeah all of that.

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: What's your you're describing you're describing what will become what will become the south side of Chicago.

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Fortuna San Francisco now San Francisco right now.

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure yeah yeah.

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I took a bus through there once and yeah we just we turned around there was just two homeless people just fighting.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: There's this fight and there's a crowd around them.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: This is wild.

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That is pretty wild yeah.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's interesting too because where I live in the GTA okay are our local government actively stopped subways to prevent homeless people coming from Toronto and.

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But now we do have home we like the city is big enough that we do have a homeless population but they're like very well hidden.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That it's weird.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really weird here yeah.

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Well buddy I know you got to run so I don't want to keep you.

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Guys thank you so much.

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate you take care brush your hair don't forget down there.

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So I like toast that's why I like toast have a good one buddy.

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Have a good one guys.

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: What did you say?

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah take care brother.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: All righty well before we sign off that was that was toast.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: He is a character that fella.

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I like him.

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I respect him for hanging in with me most he's right most Canadian conservatives are not like I find I mean the liberals are just as bad but I find yeah we have hit a point where we don't want to talk to each other and I think that's detrimental.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say this and this is one of the reasons why it's one of the reasons why we're still friends to this day because we met believe it or not we met through our comments section on the average intelligence podcast he just kept commenting and then we were like bro you should just come on.

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But so we've been friends for about four or four years or so four or five years now but it was because of the fact that I mean we agree on a lot of stuff but we also disagree on a lot of stuff but we've never gotten to a point where like we have a disagreement.

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We literally just discussed the ideas and like I said he's part of the reason I came around to being more of a proponent of like a universal health care system because it's like I mean he would know better than me.

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He lives it right so but the difference is a lot of American conservatives would be like no no health care and it's like wait a minute.

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah exactly.

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I like let's let's look at this.

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's look at this.

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So before we sign off I have to just as a quick Canadian story because I thought of it after our previous discussion about Kamala and your comments on.

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I have bad news for you buddy because I forgot I didn't send you that.

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I did see I didn't want to break your oh you saw the post.

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I didn't.

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I clicked on it and I saw that I can only hear.

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: First I saw it with we lost video.

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like okay I've lost video totally fine and then I saw I saw we lost your audio.

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It was only you.

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Why does that keep happening to you?

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand why it keeps happening.

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Well what's funny is it had only gotten like because I had done a deep dive on Kamala the week before and it got like it's up to over 100 views now and I saw that one and it was only at like 13 and I'm like what the fuck is going on.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I clicked on it because I was going to rip the audio to put it on Spotify and then I realized what had happened and I went damn it.

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So not this Sunday but next Sunday I would actually like to invite you on and try to recreate the magic that was that conversation which actually I feel like we could do a better job because I was a little bit all over the place that day.

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: No I would like to keep it a little bit more Kamala focused and then we can have toast come back on.

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_03]: What I think would be really fun actually is if I'm trying to get Eric back into the swing of things he's still on average intelligence not the RTA podcast but he's still working through some of his stuff so he might become a proponent of universal health care after what he's going through.

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But it takes a bad experience to do it.

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I think it would be really fun to have the four of us two Americans two Canadians just fucking it'll be chaos but.

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but your Canadian story. My Canadian story so it's your beef about Kamala kind of just taking the nomination.

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I totally recognize it is valid because

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to, I would like to clarify that statement though so here's the thing. Like, I wouldn't say it's a beef, it's simply pointing out the hypocrisy for me because yeah, I'm not sure I could think to characterize yeah because here's the thing about that I'm not surprised

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: they did it. And I kind of understand why I understand why they did it, but they had to do it because they put themselves in that corner because they held on to Joe Biden when literally everyone with eyes was like this guy is not going to make it.

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much so okay, I can't think of it. I don't know.

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what a provincial premier is in Canada I can't imagine you do I can't think of it. I would imagine is that not like a governor.

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's similar to governor I don't know if it's exactly one to one but yeah basically.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Executive branch of a province of a province yeah yeah okay so yeah kind of like a state governor.

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: We went to the point I didn't get a chance to make with toast was the, I found that with Justin Trudeau and it was a similar experience with our provincial government that until people got mad at just Trudeau, the government was otherwise boring.

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I can very, I very remember you said you said I had a conversation with my dad once when Stephen Harper was our prime prime minister being like, clearly they're doing a good job because we never hear about them.

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And this was after a stint of being anyway, so we had a liberal premier named Gordon Campbell, and he was disgraced he got busted for drunk driving and he had to step down.

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And how they how it works is, they just elect a leader in her party.

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like it's not like your guys where they get a domination and there's delegates all that for us. We have party leaders, and they internally vote on that party leader.

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I could, his replacement Christy Clark, I fucking hated her guts, because she came in got elected internally, I didn't vote for her. And she was all of a sudden my, my, my, my premier, and she was making them she was saying all this bullshit stuff.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And she promised to call an election, like immediately that November, and then proceeded to serve for another two years without having an election I hated her, you know, like I did not vote for you.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and she ended up losing her riding in the next election, and still remain premier. And like that ended up losing a disgrace. But yeah, so I went through the exact same kind of thing where like I didn't vote for you.

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So I understand I understand what you mean. Now the thing is people will eventually vote for Kamala it's just it's more of a principle of the thing.

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And I say that pockers because I don't know if you're an American, I don't see how you can't know this but for Canadians who may not know.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing is, and I don't know if yours are the same so in the United States, specifically for presidential elections, prior to the general election.

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_03]: There is an election held inside the party called a primary election that is basically like in the case of Kamala Harris Democrat vote registered Democrat voters and depending on your state some of them have open primaries but for the most part, we'll just say it's it's Democrats I don't want somebody in the comments to be like, well actually in this state it's an open primary it's like Democrat voters will cast their votes for the candidate they want to run for president in the general election and it's usually it's a long race and it goes state by state and people drop out and eventually you know, you know, you're going to have to go to the next election.

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you're left with usually two and then they kind of fisted out until the end it's very much a last standing sort of how they they're fighting for delegates right.

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of a lot of states are required by law, not all of them but most of them are required to like the results of the popular vote in that state the delegates are required to cast their votes for that nominee.

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: See how our system works is.

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So, just a peer poly app he's a good example. I think it works similarly on a federal level in the previous election, the previous when the conservative typically when it when it when a leader loses, they step down and disgrace that's just typically how it works.

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So when the conservatives lost the last election, what then happens is they have a party and internally in the party. They all vote for a leader in a series of round robin votes, slowly working their way down till they have one, and then they have a have the public does not vote on this, so they don't get a say in like so for example, when Justin Trudeau became the party leader.

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So, we didn't vote on that the liberals decided he would represent them. So that's what I mean when I say, were he to step down tomorrow. It would be irrelevant because the liberals would still be in power.

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's just kind of a figurehead. So, when I respect his opinion I absolutely do. When he says, like he hates Justin Trudeau. His hate is ultimately politically sort of meaningless, like it doesn't affect what it wouldn't affect the overall policy because unless, unless Christina Freeland decides you can have a drastically different policy, but from a policy perspective it doesn't really affect all that much.

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's kind of true the same way in the United States because generally speaking, the political party does have a platform. Individual candidates can theoretically, Teddy Roosevelt is a good example of this historically speaking.

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Certain individuals can influence more than the party. In fact, Donald Trump's probably a better example. Initially, he was receiving a lot of friction from internally in the Republican Party, but they kind of had to come around because you know the vast majority of Republicans were like no this is our guy and especially in the 2024 primary.

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean there was basically no.