Down The Middle Episode 81: Is Wrestling Better after AEW?

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[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we should be good

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[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Just gonna do a quick check and make sure again as if anybody can ever screw something up it is me

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[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Balechia musica I believe I'm pronouncing that right Peter if I mess that up

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I apologize, but in all fairness it's your fault for making it so long

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[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Am significantly louder than you though so for the sake of our

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[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, there's a hell of a delay I'm just waiting

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[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely should have gone that long without talking

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[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Just let us know and we'll remedy that but anyway, we're gonna talk about some wrestling

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But first I I noticed this as you signed on is that Vince that's make Vince McMahon behind you

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So the documentary I'm not watching any of it yet honestly. Oh

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, it's it's pretty much stuff you already knew

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's only get really good to the last episode like I think it's like six episodes

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like one through five is pretty much a rehash of the history and

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: a little bit of him thrown in

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: like his way he grew up and stuff like that but

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's nothing new I didn't learn from it. You know the last part was like the most

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting part. Well, I can't see it being too different because it's on Netflix, correct

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and raw is coming to Netflix next year. So I'm sure they're not gonna go

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: anywhere to

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: controversial but

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Although I think the move to Netflix. I do think you're gonna start seeing f bombs

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I like I don't think they're gonna go full ECW but

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's gonna be able

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna be able to have people cutting promos that are gonna say you're a piece of shit instead of your piece of trash and

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna be able to talk like adults. Yeah, definitely. So I know it's coming

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's coming people because they're no long and they're no longer at that point under the direct jurisdiction of the FCC

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: As of right now, obviously the FCC is trying like mad to have jurisdiction on streaming

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing of it is well, but when you pay for premium service, you're not under the jurisdiction of the SEC because it's it's not public

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not public television

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: so

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They can they can suck it. Yeah

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a good part of

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Of the documentary I do love the fact because like when you watch like when you go back and watch the I think it was in 2006

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: They did the DX DVD documentary and Vince is sitting there. He's like well the audience loved DX

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So I decided I was gonna love DX and it's like that's not exactly how it happened

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there was a lot more there was a lot more resistance on your part

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And had it not been Shawn Michaels, it would have never happened. So I

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean Vince likes to say he listens to the audience, but I think we've seen over the years

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not entirely true. It is when the audience has him over a barrel

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know and even then sometimes you still

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's that's even then he'll still try

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but up but up Vince

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: it's very apropos because I upload and this was somewhat random I uploaded a short today on the channel about how

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Great how much better everything is in the post Vince era and

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's that's so demonstrably true just I mean across the board. I mean even ratings

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Ratings premium live a bit attendance and viewership. It's everything's better

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm one of those I'm one of those weird people. Yeah, thanks to thanks to Jim cornet

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So Vince gets a lot of credit for growing wrestling and I that's kind of true

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It depends on how you look at it. I think and in terms of making one product nationwide. Yes, I

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Think it was going that direction anyway though with the advent of cable television

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he sped the process up by probably about 10 years or so, but

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest. I think looking at hindsight as far as the business of pro wrestling. I think Vince did more harm than good. I

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: mean see doing see that and the gobbledygooker and

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But to be fair to be fair it is it is thanks in large part to Vince that we have things like the undertaker that we have

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Sean Michaels as we know him certainly that we have triple H because otherwise we would have had terror rise in and

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you know

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, so you got your DX stone cold. Yeah. Yeah, and

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: To an extent I suppose you can thank Vince for even the stuff in WCW because it was directly to compete with Vince so

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like I wouldn't go back and change history

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But I but but I think that have given the choice to let the territory system ride into the glory days of cable

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think wrestling as a whole would have been better

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But the caveat would be not everyone would get to see everything

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like today where today

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you honestly could go back to the territory system because

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Streaming makes it so, you know a small promotion in Japan can have viewership all over the world

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: for for minimal fee and

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean so I think and for a while there which gets into our main topic for a while there

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It honestly looked like it was going to go back to sort of that system

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Not so much territories but separate promotions and wrestling fans just being able to pick and choose what they want like a wrestling buffet

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So I I constantly I constantly saying I'm biased

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But I as far as I can see it the glory days of pro wrestling thus far have been from about the years of 2014 to 2019

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: for me it was like

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: well, honestly the attitude

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Roofless aggression ever and a little bit after that

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: When I actually got to see wrestling for what it was not so much like the gimmicks

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: There's your real names and stuff like that. I like that one the most

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the only reason I picked that as my glory days is because at that time they were I think

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: prior other than the territory days obviously I

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Think that was when you had the most

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: What I would I would call like major promotions

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Available to a wrestling audience at one time because obviously at WWE

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You had Ring of Honor which still had a TV deal at the time. They had a partnership with New Japan

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: They had rev pro and then I think what culture wrestling was around then in the UK both of them and then various smaller

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Promotions, but I think those are the two big ones. Oh, yeah

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you about them and you still have see him

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You still have CMLL and triple A in in Mexico, but then you had lucha underground for a time three to four years

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So actually yeah, that would have been right in that time because I think their last season was 2018 or 2019

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you had you had you had kind of the growth of the Joshi which I never really got into but it existed and

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the beautiful part is the fact that you had all these options

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: TNA was still around this impact back then, but it was there

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And WA had gotten back on TV during that time. I think that was in 2016 or 2017

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean there there was there were so much wrestling

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And the thing was if one of them sucked you had you didn't really have to tolerate bad wrestling

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if WWE sucked

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you just and that was the glory days of NXT too. So it's like main WWE programming sucked

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But NXT was awesome. So it was amazing. It was it was so good

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It was so good

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But the main point there and going back to the question then AEW came along and I remember how excited I was

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I was excited enough for all in

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: the first one, yeah

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they announced AEW on New Year's Eve

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: 20 was that 20 Daniel would have been the start of 2019

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So New Year's Eve January 1st, 2019. Yeah, they announced all the wrestling and everybody was like

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh shit. And now of course should have listened to corny

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Good old Jim Cornette should have listened to him because he was saying very early on that

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It was gonna be a joke and actually something I can't believe I forgot this cuz I was asked you if you had any ideas

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: What I wanted to do

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we can do this next time. I'm gonna go back and rewatch the first double or nothing

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And actually like really evaluated. Oh, yeah, without the rose-colored glasses

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I watched it when I watched it. I was like, this is the greatest thing ever. I have a sneaking suspicion

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: That with the novelty worn off

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll be able to see some of the symptoms of what would be to come in

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that very first

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Pay-per-view. Oh, yeah, I think it's some parts to be like, oh, that's a little weird. I hope they don't do that again

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and like

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Think we'll see some things that'll be very familiar. I'll put it that way

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And not not to say. Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure not to say early AEW was bad

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying I think we'll see some of the things that we've now become

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately used to seeing I think we'll see

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That they go back by the ways

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It was also new back then it was exciting and John Moxley came and we never thought we'd see that, you know

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: even though people were predicting it but

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's what that's what I mean. It was such an exciting time

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean like think about think about this Ray Mysterio went to lucha underground

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Chris Jericho went to New Japan when he said he would never wrestle anywhere else

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know he did say in the United States, but everybody took it as he would never wrestle for anybody other than Vince McMahon

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: you had all kinds of

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy cross promotion happening in New Japan at the time New Japan Ring of Honor

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You had the likes of you know, Sammy Zane Kevin Owens people people like that DIY showing up in NXT

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: All the time

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Jinsuke going to NXT at the time well in that time AJ went to New Japan and then WWE I

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Mean this was exciting shit. It was very very exciting and

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, I think AEW even though they had the best of intentions. I think they killed that momentum

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: inadvertently I

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Think they killed that

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Not even so much it felt like they killed because the thing that all these other promotions had in common is they knew that at

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Stand alone

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They were never gonna compete with WWE in the United States like New Japan obviously competes with WWE in Japan

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're probably I'd say that they might be the more popular promotion in Japan

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but as far as the United States and

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the world is concerned on a global scale. No single promotion is going to compete with WWE however

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't mean they can't carve out a nice little slice for themselves and give the fans what they want make some money

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Make the pay scale go up because New Japan was doing that before AEW was even a thing

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You know AJ went to New Japan because TNA was gonna give him a pay cut

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why he left so

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Nope nope AJ was gonna take a pay cut or he was gonna have to take a pay cut to renew his contract and he said they'll know

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll bust him up, but

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually really good. It's no I don't either hell. He was there for a but by that time he was there for what 11 year over a decade

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean literally like that, but he was yeah, and and I mean literally put his body on the line

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Multiple times and I mean we love AJ who doesn't love AJ Styles

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: probably TNA but

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Phenomenal it really is that's what I'm saying. It's like yeah that name jives that tracks

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But there was this growing sort of

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Ground swell that felt like a bunch of indies even though they weren't indies

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is even during that time independent wrestling was growing again

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there were a bunch of local promotions sprouting up all over the place and they were all I don't know that they were all making

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Money, but some of them had to have been because they kept doing it and

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't shitty. They weren't shitty indies like there were a couple of indie

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Promotions relatively close to me in Indianapolis, and I mean they were putting on good shows

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean good for Indie. I mean they were just putting on good wrestling shows

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, and a

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: W came along and almost became I mean pretty much became a second WWE even though it's

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not even but it essentially just became a second WWE

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they swallowed up all the other talent, you know and now I feel like we're kind of sort of

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It feels kind of like we're back in the

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: The Monday night wars in the sense that you got two big companies as opposed to one big and a bunch of little ones

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: smaller ones and

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: wrestling as a whole

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Both in terms of the television product

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I take that back because WWE not with standing is WWE is turning out great television

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is ironic because I do think AEW made wrestling better in the sense that

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: WWE had to wake up a bit and say okay, yeah competition. Yeah, we can't

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: ironically AEW got worse

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, WWE certainly woke up and the thing is for a change for AEW for the better

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully well, but you know what comes in

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll I'll be honest at first I didn't buy that but

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: This this is all very familiar

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Because this is and I'm not criticizing it because I actually think it is brilliant

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I want to be a fan of the young bucks because they are smart

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just disappointed in what I've been seeing because I know they're better than this

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But again back in that sort of indie era

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I dubbed it the indie era for two reasons one because the indies were actually

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: growing and

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: WWE was getting a bunch particularly in NXT but WWE was bringing in a bunch of indie guys. I mean, yeah

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so I dubbed that the indie era

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the between the PG era and whatever we're in now, which I mean

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you could honestly call it the elite era

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Because AEW sparked that change and made

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Ironically made

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: WWE, you know

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Elite again they they made them

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Must see television which I say having not watched wrestling for a couple months. I know bad Jake but

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen we've got ten podcasts on the network now and there's more coming and I'm an idiot

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm stupid I've signed up for a lot more shit than I thought I was but I promise you

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna I'm gonna start being good and watch more wrestling

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But I never did want this to be like a wrestling news podcast either because honestly you can get that

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You can get that a hundred of other other places. I really wanted this to be

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Like not so much, but it was just we kind of fell into that for a minute

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Just because stuff kept happening. Oh shit kept happening

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But I did want this to be more of like a not so much a retrospective, but like more or less a topical

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Not for an events, but like we pick a topic and that's what we talk about kind of like what we're doing tonight

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's gonna branch, you know

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna branch out to different areas, but so

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Episodes like next week where we're gonna watch an older pay-per-view and kind of do a blow-by-blow and be like

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Man, this was not as good as I remember or you know what this was actually really good

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like this still holds up and it's and it's it's it's great. It's fantastic

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it might but I think there's some parts of it where

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You can see like oh that's why well

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: because I'm also not remembering which we might have to go back just to

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: remind everybody that yes, we are

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: We want to be AEW fans

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We're just criticizing what they're doing with the product now because we've seen better

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_01]: We could also do the first revolution which is one of my favorite pay-per-views of all time

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it was it was so good

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: The tag match between Kenny Omega hangman page in the young bucks is legit one of the best matches

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I've ever seen

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It was so good

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: To this day

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Hell even the orange Cassidy pack match was good. It's just the characters dumb

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But they actually did a storyline with it in that one so the match still holds up

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's silly, but it worked because they

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Worked with the character they created, you know

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They just dropped something. Oh well doesn't matter

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know what are your thoughts do you think that wrestling is better now? Thanks to AEW I

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: See it's better because it's competition and it's better because there's another

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: place where people could go, you know besides WWE they can make WWE money without being WWE

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's to me that might have been the second biggest thing is the fact that

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You know to kind of paraphrase CM Punk. I'm always happy when the boys can make more money

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like yeah

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I want stay also because of health too like at first I would say cuz of health

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But not so much now the way they do stupid stunts and get injured

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know and and so here's the other thing and this isn't influenced people may not know about so

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: WWE has reduced their house show scheduled which is funny cuz I was as I was saying before AEW was official

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. It was official, but it was still like they hadn't had their broadcast yet and there were a lot of rumors floating around

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was I was saying very early on on this podcast

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I said I don't understand why somebody doesn't in in the 2020s in today's world

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. I don't understand why somebody doesn't make a wrestling promotion that is focused on television

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And not the house shows because I would think that the television revenue

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_01]: would

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Overshadow the potential house show revenue when you actually break down the cost

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But when you actually yeah

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: When you break down the cost of what it takes the travel the logistics the building rentals the risk of

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You not filling up the buildings for a house show cuz let's face it

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: How shows are generally speaking usually not very good because nothing happens because it's not on TV

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very rare that you see a consequential house show and

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I I don't want to go to him like

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not interested what I'd rather see an AEW

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I think at least has this mentality

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So your wrestlers if they're only wrestling once or twice a week

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They can actually afford to be more athletic in the ring. Maybe not every week, but

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's much less taxing compared to doing like four days on the road and then a TV, you know

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Even just the lesser travel makes that easier on

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: them, so I

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Was saying an AEW did just that and I went well good. I

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Guess somebody's watching the show because that's exactly what they did AEW's business model is

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Well at least in theory is based on the television

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's smart well except they're not

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Which apparently they did get a renewal so that's good news. That's very good news

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest. I don't know how the fuck they did it. Oh

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure it's money or oh no

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let me let me rephrase. I'm not surprised they got renewed but apparently they're getting more money

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's what I'm talking about

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not surprised because here's the thing for TNT and TBS the ratings are low compared to WWE

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's still decent ratings for that network

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're still good. They're still bringing in advertising dollars

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure Warner Brothers Discovery was thrilled but I I maintain

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: that

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: They need to I personally I think they should move all the shows on to max

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But at the very least they need to move Ring of Honor. They need to give Ring of Honor a

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: television show oh

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah on on max just put it just put it on max

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's it logistically

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It would be so easy and you will actually get people who don't have cable will watch Ring of Honor

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And they can keep quasi up to date with AEW storylines if you mention them on

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Ring of Honor can be nothing more than a plug for the television show in the pay-per-views

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh as far as their marketing is concerned like obviously you want to put good wrestling so people watch it, but you know what I'm saying

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Ring of Honor being on streaming could be a gateway for people who don't have cable to maybe somehow

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Find a way to

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You know get

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: To be honest they can even play on YouTube, but they did with dark like that's how I watch start

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It was because I was it was on YouTube is free and that's how I watch it. It's like no one's watching it like

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Athena think she's became like the

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: The RH longest women's

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Champion yeah, nobody knows

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: No one knows what and well, that's that's why I that's why I suggested max in lieu of YouTube because believe it or not

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: your potential viewership might be

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Not necessarily bigger, but it will generate more money because max max has ads

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know unless you pay you pay a premium to not have ads

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But either way you're they're bringing in revenue for Warner Brothers Discovery and AEW

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Ring of Honor is contributing to the franchise

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And let them do it. It's like

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't jump ready to play, you know

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Ring of Honor is ready and especially

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially if they can make the show look and feel different

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a win-win for everybody because let's say you're kind of sick

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Ring of Honor could be AEW's version of NXT

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: In that there were people that would like to listen WWE sucks, but this NXT thing is

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Really good and breed some competition not like bullying competition not that Vince McMahon shit

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, you know what don't you think it would light a fire under the AEW roster's ass and be like hey guys

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know they're on streaming, but

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Ring of Honor brought in more viewers than collision last week

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They did what?

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: They certainly brought in more views than rampage

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Which again I still maintain okay guys, I'm gonna say it again

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: being the AEW now has three shows

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Rampage should honestly be an exhibition show

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like the old school Ring of Honor TV tapings were in that you it's almost an inter promotion cross promotion

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So like you'd have well when they had the roster separated that would be where

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: wrestlers from dynamite and collision could

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Pair up from time to time and you can bring people in from Ring of Honor

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And then every now and again you'll have a main event with like a high mid card AEW guy

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And every now and again for a special treat hell hell you can have a main event guy on there

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know bring back the whole wins and losses matter angle sort of Shrickland loses the title

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got to get his win-loss record up

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's gonna wrestle on collision and you know what else that does and it was genius

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think they realized it was genius is okay

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_01]: They did it with Britt Baker, but I don't think they understood how genius it was when they did that because Britt Baker was appearing on every

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Television show and you know what happens when you have a wrestler that you're getting ready to have it

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what happens when you have a wrestler who's getting ready for a championship match

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're on every single television show every night. They get

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: popular

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I know people actually know who she is. Oh

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh imagine that

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine that and you say oh this person is clawing their way

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say her because we're talking about Britt Baker Britt Baker

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Because she wants this title so bad

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: She knows she has to get her win-loss record up

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's going to the bottom and she's gonna claw her way up

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't get behind that that's a story as old as time it predates pro wrestling rooting for the underdog

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's exactly what they did

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That angle that was so good. It was so good and then

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then by the time you get to the match every Neil near fall it's either oh she almost got it or oh

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's got you know it the audience

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: hairs

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why heel champions aren't on TV every week

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why they do this shit

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it makes sense everybody was getting pissed off at Roman Reigns not defending not defending the title. Yeah

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the idea

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They want you to root for Cody who is on TV every week who is fighting

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Every match he's in is a struggle because he's the underdog

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: They want you to want him to win so that when he does win it means something

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not random

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like the baby face turn they're gonna have Roman Reigns do

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna be on TV more often. I I guarantee you

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure of it

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially now

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying because he's doing a face turn. He's gonna be cutting promos on raw

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna be wrestling tag matches. He's gonna be he's gonna be on TV

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: just about every week barring anything health related that may happen but

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know and even then like if let's say Roman's got to sit out for I

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't mean to make light of this but it's it's happened before

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say Roman has to sit out for a little while because of his leukemia again

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll bet you he's gonna do interviews or video promos like he won't be there there, but he'll be on television

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially if I have something pre-tape just in case exactly exactly

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's like this this shit's not complicated and it's so weird to me because

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: AEW clearly knows how to do it because they've done all this before I just don't understand why they stopped

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean, yeah, like do you remember someone else booking it beforehand?

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And like now it's only Tony booking it but we know we know that because the elite apparently got I can't remember when it happened

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: They apparently got their

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: booking authorities taking away because they kept not booking themselves as

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: The like the main stars that were winning all the time, which I understand Tony's mentality in the very beginning

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean we've seen we've seen the aftermath

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Tony cannot do this by himself certainly not across three television shows even if he was good at this that would be too much

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And not only that if the same person's book in all three shows they all start to feel and look the same

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right. Yeah, like you remember collisions first episode

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and look at it now. Well everybody had the same reaction. They were like holy shit. That was actually pretty good

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I was not expecting that I

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Was like, you know what there is hope

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a shit time slot, but it's there's hope. I

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Heard there's gonna be another show

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that too and and they're still not too sure it's true or not, but I heard next year

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I've heard that I don't know. I don't know what the hell they're gonna do what they didn't say though as if

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe maybe you can tell me this because I haven't heard

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna be four shows or they're still gonna be three, but it's just gonna be a different show

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I heard it was gonna be additional. So good Lord

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully it's ring of honor, but I'll be honest. I think oh

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I heard something about true TV, but it wasn't clear if they were gonna do

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe ring of honor

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be okay with that

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd be okay with that truly I would be just fun

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Well at least at least it gets ring of honor and hopefully if it's on true TV

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's in the same family, but it's not associated like TBS and TNT are together

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know it's under the same umbrella

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But maybe being on true TV

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they make ring of honor a little bit more realistic sports base like it used to be

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, and I think that would be tremendous. I think that'd be great and give it to somebody else to book for God's sake

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Hope so give give it to Christopher. Just give it to Christopher Daniels. Oh, yeah, he's really good

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well and I and see he's probably I've never met Chris Daniels

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But he strikes me as someone who was smart enough to understand that he probably needs a booking committee where he might have the pencil so to speak but

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's gonna have input from other guys because it's always better in a creative process

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's always better to have multiple people. I know some people swear that that's not the case

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But even while Disney had you know a creative team

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody does Vince McMahon had a creative team. He had the final say but he had several people

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Even even Duffy had a booking committee

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, even in angsty. I heard what was Samoa Joe and William Regal was part of the booking team

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[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I just couldn't hear you for some reason. Oh, I know why my computer is dark though cuz I have the dumb

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Electricity is necessary

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we need it sometimes I was like why is my screen so dark?

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Believe it or not that's happened before

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Then I realized I left my charger at work. That was not a fun night anyway

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I was hoping we'd have more people watching. I know we're not on our regular night though

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully leave it in the comments leave it leave it in the comments if you think wrestling is better

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Because of a aw or honestly, I'd be curious to hear some opinions of people who think that it's worse off now because I think I

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't agree with that

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think you can make an argument

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But see to my mind all the bad habits people are talking about already existed prior to AEW

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know because that was all the the indie riffic stuff

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was still saying in nice improvement like oh sure sure like like the women's division is like boring

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Either side of the why the women's division is probably the one area of AEW that I think you can sort of criticize in a vacuum

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they seem to be doing that particularly bad

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, because I mean the thing is I made a joke about it, but I'm right they sign a new

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know female wrestler she gets a push

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: She gets a push for about a month or two and then she just goes down

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Down on the mid-card because what's the example? I use not that long ago. Deanna Parazzo and Thunder Rosa in a pre-show match

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and Deanna Parazzo had only been in the company for like a month or two two months

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think and I'm just like well, you know

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It was just a joke Tony. I didn't want you to actually do that

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Look a Chris Dattlander like she came back

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like better than ever but now she's in the pre-show with Willow

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know because I was funny

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I was getting ready to argue with you on that one. I'm like, ah, Statham is a little bit different

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But you're right this the score because I know she's had some injuries. So yeah, that's kind of not withstanding

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you're right. I do think she's really good

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she has the most potential to be like they are real realy

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the thing of it the thing of it. Yeah, I get what you're saying

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't disagree with it, but again, we have to remember to AEW's got the problem now of

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: talent outgrowing them

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Case in point

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Jade Cargill

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: the Lucia brothers

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: In a way, I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked by that though

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But well, I mean because like you said when they came into the company, they weren't a tag team at the time

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean they had before but I don't believe that's what they were doing at the time and then they came into AEW

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And sort of became a tag team

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm making it sound like they were never a tag team. That's not the case. They've tagged all over the place

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But they've been they've been nearly exclusively a tag team save when Phoenix was injured and Penta was doing solo

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: singles matches but

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those things I think

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a tag team where

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They're both good enough they can tag and do singles and not get stale

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you need to have times where Penta in particular

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But Phoenix is good as a singles guy too. Don't get me wrong, but Penta in particular his character is more of a lone wolf anyway

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So and I mean why not have them feud with each other I've seen them wrestle before it's incredible

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. I

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Mean don't tell me that a tag team can't feud we've seen it

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a time I mean how many times always happens it always happens

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's because it's good shit

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I said there's only handful of tag teams that I would say never break them up and FTR is one of them

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Although if you were gonna do it they could certainly wrestle the matches. Oh

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would say FTR and also the the screw profits to me

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: If you know see see I well if you break them up there they're nothing but I

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Would like to see them beat the crap out of each other and then just never come back

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll put it I think if you break them up Montez will win or will no a sell but the other guy

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Feds name

[00:42:11] That's

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not too sure he's going to last that long oh

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: My god

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Goodness said it better myself. Yeah, I agree. I think I think Montez would

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He'd end up in the lower mid card, but yeah, I mean I think he'd stick around but yeah the other guy

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not so much maybe you can go to TNA and join top dollar

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So when's Joe Henry gonna sign his WWE contract that's what I want to know

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't hurry to be honest. I mean he may have I mean honestly he might have

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_02]: He's been there for like a while now

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like two three months. I mean honestly what WWE should do at that point is be like no

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: No, we'll buy his contract from you

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That's rather there was doing to be honest and just sweeten the pot will let you use him for selected dates, but we want him

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's got triple H written all over it because I think triple H think thank goodness. He's in charge

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: because I think triple H understands that

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: In order to avoid

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_01]: The WWE PG era

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You need to have other companies out there. They don't have to be on your level

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't need to be direct comp not every other wrestling company needs to be direct competition because let's let's just face facts

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's face facts TNA as it is now which I'd like to remind everybody. I mean

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_01]: TNA was a big deal

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Back in the mid 2000s

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: 2006 specifically when they were on spike

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they were a legit number two

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't quite up to the level of WWE, but I mean they they were they were a legit number two. Yeah, they were

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was good shit. It was better wrestling. I'm not gonna lie. It was better at the time

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. They had Kurt Angle Samojo AJ Styles sting

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You know so many

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_01]: The entire X division at that time and WWE had

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: A steel as Donald Trump wrestling fake Rosie O'Donnell

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Which incidentally is the match where the audience legitimately started chanting TNA

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Wish I was okay. So that I wasn't really watching wrestling during that time. I

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Watch that happen live and I was like, oh

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Well our running joke honestly because when we were doing weekly wrestling wrap-up which this would have been I

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Started heavily watching wrestling in 2006

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this would have been

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: 2007 or eight

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: When we started when we started doing that and then we did it for two years so

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Anytime between 07 and 09 we were and this was just before the WWE PG era really really gotten to full gear

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So we were having fun. It's good shit

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And actually I still have I still have all the episodes. They're actually set to private on my YouTube channel

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think I don't know if I get if I if I get if I get enough requests

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I might I think I might put them up here

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_01]: for your enjoyment

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So the the best part about that show was the first two episodes are super serious like

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We're just telling you what happened this week on wrestling and then we realized it was boring as fuck

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So episode three we do a complete U-turn and go full bore into comedy and then by episode four

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We actually spoof the old don't try this at home. They put in front of their DVD releases at that time

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, and from that time we were just like like we we saw a spike in viewership

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: We were like, okay, they want comedy so we're gonna give them comedy

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That was a lot of fun, but thought it was hard to do because

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately at that time

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Um

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Smackdown was on Fridays

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we couldn't do the show until after Smackdown

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And I worked on Saturdays and the show got uploaded on Sundays

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a tight so it was very tight schedule

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And we shot the whole thing in one night every week. So it was

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But we never missed we were never late and I'm proud of that

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, there used to be a website which honestly

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Was so much better than YouTube I doubt you've heard of it, but you can Google it. Have you ever did you ever your stage six? Oh

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So are you familiar? I don't know how into like video editing you are at all

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But like have you ever the Div X codec?

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure. Okay, so Div X made their own streaming site to show how

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: To show how good the Div X codec was it's not it's not now but at the time it was

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: At the time it was amazing

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But stage six was their website and it was better than YouTube

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It was it was so good and we had legit fans there people that watch the show every week and it was so much fun

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It was it was a lot of fun, but sadly sadly stage six is no more hasn't been for it. Oh

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been well over a decade. It's probably been

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: 15 16 years I

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Missed it still is this

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I think it might in a different form, but it pales in comparison to what it was

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it used to be used to be how like daily motion was actually good back in the day. Oh, okay. Yeah, I know exactly me

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly don't get me wrong. I love YouTube and YouTube's the king right and YouTube is WWE right now

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Is but I remember how you two used to be I was on since the first start when like

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: 4a.p. Was the highest resolution

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: 4a.p. Was

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey man 4a.p. Was serious

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That was back when they have upload that was back when they had upload link limits

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. I love how when you create I love how when you create a new YouTube channel now

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_01]: After you upload like one video it notifies you it's like congratulations

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You can upload videos longer than 10 minutes now as if this is a thing that people care about

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah stage six at it's ironic

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_01]: YouTube was WWE stage six was legitimate like 2016 a like it wasn't up to YouTube

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was a yeah, it was a very very high quality alternative that in many ways was better

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not as many people know about it Miller. I think I did heard but I

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know it's been a while it was that was back when

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That was back on websites like stage six and YouTube were kind of the Wild West cuz like yeah

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched so many TV shows on stage six. It's not even funny

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, and it was high quality because the DivEx codec man

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that was the shit that the episodes look like crap now because they obviously they weren't in HD because HD wasn't

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a thing yet

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do you remember when you remember when WWE made a big deal about switching to HD

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one was that was that in 2009 or 10 that would have been 2010 I think

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it had to be towards the end or towards the middle 2010

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I remember because I was a time where I was watching every now and again

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to be into it, but I just couldn't because it was so bad

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It was my name washing. Yeah, so we just see reason why I start watching it wasn't that good

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Off completely well, I can tell you what made me roll my eyes is when they changed John Cena's

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_01]: moveset from the STF you to the STF and

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_01]: From the FU to the attitude adjustment and I went right

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It took all the wind out of it because like what you gotta understand is those moves were

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He did those moves to make fun of Brock Lesnar

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was the whole seems like no even knows that nobody knows that history of it

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no it was the FU to make fun of the F5

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And I and the STF you was just a middle finger to the STF which now it's called the STF

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_01]: What was his six move of doom that they actually made a big deal about it about how he's having it

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Was something lame like a back fist or something

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't remember they did make they made like he made like a big deal about it

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He was like I'm gonna unveil a new move and I'm like I can't tell if you're joking or if you're serious and that concerns me

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he was talking about how he'd been like studying martial arts

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was just like a back elbow or a back fist or something

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then it just happened it was a fucking popcorn fart

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like really

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is it

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like no instead of the five knuckle shuffle. I'm actually gonna punch the guy and I'm like oh

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Great

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That was an underwhelming or anything

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know he studied I'll give him credit

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He studied a long time to learn that move and even though we didn't appreciate the fact or mates

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: he did the work and

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to do the same thing for music Hakeem you do and that's the dirty little secret

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That you know people don't really want to

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[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I was gushing about my friend and I completely lost my train of thought

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Now where were we because yeah, wow? I really derailed there. Oh

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we were talking about this the six the sixth move of doom

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I say that and everybody cuts scene up but I'd still people still watching when he wrestles

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, he's so

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Must see TV. Yeah, did you did you see that?

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He did a I don't know what you would call it an interview or like a video

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but he did it with an older woman from the UK I believe and

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_01]: He was basically saying like what I do is actually not that I don't think he said it wasn't difficult

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he said it was it wasn't that complex

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what he said so don't quote me

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But basically she's like well, I couldn't I can't wrestle and he said believe it or not people say the same thing about me

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really sweet video where he has to explain that you can't see me thing does apparently her grandchildren

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Watching John Cena explain the concept of any you can tell it's written on his face

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_01]: How ridiculous it is when you actually explain it to someone who has no context to it

[00:56:07] Yeah

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But I love it. It's it's John Cena such a great person too

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he does a lot of good stuff. He has some going on outside. Yeah

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll never

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But anybody up that works with like make-a-wish especially to the degree that he does like even I might criticize

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_01]: A storyline even though I really don't have a problem with anything John Cena ever did on television

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: There's just there's stuff that's easy to poke fun at but I mean it was all it was all pretty good

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: At least what I saw

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: There might have been some stuff in that PG era that were a little questionable

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But John Cena was always kind of appealing to the younger audience anyway. Well, I mean

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Post rapper John Cena

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, gotta remember

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, that song is way better than it should be. I'm not gonna lie. Oh, it is

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I have it right now on my phone. It's it's in my playlist. I listen to basic economics

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm I'm not ashamed. It's a good song. I'm just saying it's it's better than it should be

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I actually say I say a lyric from that song all the time. I'm like

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like a broken needle you're missing the point

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, this is clever. It's good

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't say it

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_01]: rapping though. I say it like

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think my favorite one I saw was like, man, you must be a broken needle. I'm like what is like

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, you must be a broken needle. What does that mean? It's like because you're missing the point

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And he just kind of looked at me like, huh, and I'm like, okay, you don't watch wrestling exactly

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_01]: If somebody watched wrestling would just be like, ah

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And if they were really a wrestling fan, they would have looked me down the iron gun

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Talking that way is a good way to get referred to in the past tense

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I I flipped like where my top five songs

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I flipped when la night dropped that one. I was amazed how many people didn't catch the reference

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't I didn't wait. I didn't cash until they said

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I did I immediately I was like a little because Sina was in the ring

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean obviously he did it on purpose, but I thought it was a planned thing. Apparently he came up with it

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, apparently he came up with it and in the moment

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I love that they're allowed to do now. So thank you aew for that at least although

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest. I kind of haven't seen any suspicion that that was gonna happen

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually anyway, I

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think it got a head start because of a but Vince was always gonna leave right TKO was

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure TKO was always gonna buy WWE

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have a

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have a suspicion that was the plan no matter what and Vince was always gonna get sued

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_01]: For shit

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was that was always that was always going to happen. So

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it may have taken another 10 years, but I think it was always going to happen

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_02]: To be honest, I'm surprised it took this

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Long because there's so so many allegations and

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So much

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately when you have the kind of money Vincent Mann has you can

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean you can just

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You can stall you can stall like crazy

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_01]: If if for no other reason he's gonna be able to like

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Not necessarily hide his money, but he's gonna be able to just acquire a bunch of assets so that his funds are non-liquid and

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just gonna help him be able to

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm not I don't know what could help him honestly because again like you said the

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Mount Everest of evidence against him

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's something with CM punk said he's like he's shocked that Vince even

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how you're in text. Yeah house to bring the text that stuff, you know

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So am I

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: well, there's there

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Vince McMahon, you can you can't say that Vince McMahon was never guilty of hubris because

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's he he legitimately in his mind. I'm sure and again never met Vince McMahon

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But I've heard a lot of people that have tell stories about him and they all seem to be pretty similar

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So Vince McMahon is somebody who I'm pretty sure never even considered

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He would someone would take him down. Yeah, somebody would take him down that way exactly

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean some of the allegations just make that apparent like what was going on at the office. What was going on?

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm not even gonna get into it because I mean if you know if you know, you know, right but

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think I think punk probably put it the best

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Is what he said there is like I can't believe he was he ruined his life. I can't believe he was so stupid

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean like tarnished his neck legacy. It's like pay a hooker is like a normal person

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He got the money

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean come on

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But that and to be fair

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't really know the other side of the story and it'll come out as the case progresses

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean based on the evidence that I saw

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I saw some of the text messages

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen a lot of the text messages. I kind of wish I hadn't

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I'm good

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But you're right at that same point. I don't see her text messages either

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I never saw something she sent back. It could be just as bad. So who knows and I want to be clear

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to be clear. I'm not taken up for vince McMahon

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But what I am saying is that there's always two sides to a story

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And and you do see it. I mean you see it with elon musk too like

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: There are allegations made against wealthy people all the time

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Most of them turn out to be money grabs because most of them just get settled out of court because it's actually cheaper

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: To just give them a payout. Yeah, absolutely

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Just just get rid of that's why I never really take these I never really take these allegations seriously at first

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I always say the same thing. I'm like, well, let's see what the evidence says and when

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's very important distinction

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Between criminal and civil cases like we would talk about this on average intelligence all the time

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: When we're talking about trump, right is

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_01]: The burden of proof in a civil case versus criminal case a case is night and day

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Just because someone is found liable in a civil case does not in fact actually mean that they did it

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It usually does but sometimes it's literally just a the reasonable doubt burden of proof is not there in a civil case

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It is much more about

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Whichever side can kind of present the best case and then the judge is kind of like

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Seems this way

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas in a criminal case if you cannot definitively prove to a jury that beyond a reasonable doubt this happened

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: They usually are convicted

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean that's that's

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: unfortunately, that's the

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the reality of a civil case, which is why

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Getting getting sued sucks because you can know in your in your heart

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That wait man what happened

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It just went black is it black on your end?

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is what the I don't know what's that's weird

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: No, what's going on. Oh, okay. I think we're back

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I think

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: If anybody's watching can you confirm?

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we're back on my end

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Still a black screw on mines

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there is a delay, but I can see my screen again. There we go. Okay. Yeah, we're back. We're back

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: This back. Sorry about that. That was weird. That's never happened before

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That's live tv pal

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So speaking of though that just reminded me speaking of vince and shit

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a fair amount of fecal matter on monday night raw

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: For a little while if you recall

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: so i'm not saying vince

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying vince has a thing for boot, but

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm i'm just saying

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It was part of a big story lives a lot of story lives

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I see dots and they're really close to each other and it looks like a giant turd

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe maybe

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if people said that about jeffrey dommer. It's like, you know, he did like his steak pretty rare

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, i'm not saying i'm not saying it's like

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You know connected. I'm just saying it's kind of it kind of fits, you know, yeah, they're worse signs

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Mistakes were made

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Why why does he carry around ambient all the time?

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Terrible oh

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, why does vince always have laxatives? I'm old pal

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Why does tony always have caffeine and stay awake and write the show

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's literally how he looks. I mean he

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason all the all the gym cornet experience thumbnail show him like with

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Bug eyes. I mean there's a reason

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, coke up tommy

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it's adriel um would you

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Because i'm i'm not gonna lie to you. I would watch this match. I mean it'll never happen and I don't think it could happen

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Would you watch mincec man versus tony con?

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I would yeah

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I would

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: However, you know what we might see that might be kind of fun

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: We might get to see shame shame mac man and an aw ring

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Watch him get hurt too

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I kid swerve strickland can save uh

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: All out this time

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll be honest. I kind of I kind of do hope that shame

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Comes to aw because I think he can help

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly base right after I saw the documentary like it made me like shaying a lot more now

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I never hated him but yeah, but more now

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh geez now I now I really want to watch it because I mean shame has always kind of been

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Engratiated with the fans because even when they were doing the whole mcmans versus dx thing. Shane was still

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, shame would still get positive reactions from the crowd

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think I think they always appreciated the fact that shame would you know

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Do the crazy shit in the ring, you know and would put his body on the line for that and

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he will kind of always have that

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know stealing of goodwill

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: With wrestling fans because I don't think shame ever

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: There were times when his dad kind of even patronized wrestling fans or maybe even looked down on him to a certain extent

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think shame ever did

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe in character. Maybe in character, but I don't think he ever really did

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, no, there's too many people who really like him and they say that's the reason why his downside

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That he was too nice

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: To be uh, you know

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can see well, I mean Stephanie kind of has the same relationship now because

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Nowadays people know what she's done behind the scenes

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And how much she actually cares and how much she actually

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You know fought for people and things

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know over over the years. So

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Stephanie again is another one of those people that at this point

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Was even I mean, I know a lot of people really shit on the era of the authority

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not gonna lie to you. I liked it. I thought that was one of the few good things that was going on at the time

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like them. So I guess they like it work. I was gonna say I guess it worked. Yeah

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry corporate triple h was the thing that I corporate heel triple h was the thing that I liked

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I put this way. I hate him the worst

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But but he was doing his job

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's not like it's not like corporate cane where you just hate it because you want it off your television. Yeah

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt sorry for him to me. I think that was the point honestly in in hindsight now that's over

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was honestly the point. I think you were supposed to feel sorry for him

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what they were going for

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But we also learned that phil brooks has a hell of a triple h impression

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you guys?

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they did a promo with him when they were doing the authority thing and punk is like

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: How many times have you turned to your wife and bet it and I knew it was like, well, you know

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think he has what it takes

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, all right, which I I don't think I don't think he was expecting that because he kind of was holding back a chuckle a little bit

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Some I'm not gonna lie. Like if somebody had hit me with an impression of me that way

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have been like

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But you do wear her panties though, don't you that was such a great promo

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: CM punks promos are always gold

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Every now and again, I still go back and watch the pipe bomb

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's so good. Yeah

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He had some good ones in aw2

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of wish he'd been able to come out although his tell me what i'm telling lies promo

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I'm not gonna say that was on the level of the pipe bomb, but I mean I think it had the same effect for that crowd

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It did it was their version at that moment, you know, yeah

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it's true though. I mean heck that's a phrase that I that's a phrase that I picked up tell me what I'm telling lies

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it hit it hits just right because nobody said shit

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Mean

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: MJF was pretty good. Oh those I don't I don't know would you count those as promo?

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I guess you would count those as promos. Yeah. Yeah. Oh those were gold

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Went back and watched a couple months ago. I went back and watch it and I'm like god so good. It still holds up

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It does I didn't make me hate the way MJF is booked now or the way he's now

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's terrible now and the thing is

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is I told y'all what we told y'all

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're loving baby face MJF now

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And you won't because they won't be able to get him out of it because they won't be able to get him out of it

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Without making him look like an idiot and guess what? Yeah

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: They had to make them look like an idiot

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I did hate the part where you always would say oh the 2024 bayon war

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate that because

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I hate it because I knew where he came to 2024. He wasn't going nowhere. So

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I first I thought he was but later on I was like, yeah, I don't think he's gonna actually

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Go to wwe at the moment

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: No, because there's more he can do. I well, I'll be honest

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe the reason and if this was if this is true god that would be so shitty

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the reason they booked him so bad is to keep him from going to wwe

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Could be lower his stock. Yeah, exactly. Oh, I hope I hope that's not true. But if it was

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll hear about it eventually if it was true because we'll get that

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: wwe documentary

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, of course, I know so yeah, you know

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:13:09] But

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Should be fair another consideration though as mj's look at it is like listen

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I like I think he'd do great in wwe but at the same time

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: In wwe mjf would he'd be high up?

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But he'd still be kind of a cog in the machine because that's the nature of that company

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: There's only a handful of people that are kind of above the wheel so to speak

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas an aw and jf gets to do whatever the hell he wants at this point

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's like if he wants to wrestle somebody by god. He's gonna wrestle him

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he'll do the occasional favor for tony because I bet you anything mjf is actually a really nice guy. Don't

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't tell anybody I said that I don't want to ruin the I don't pay fave brother k-frame. But

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the thing is we've seen him do

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So many things in the ring that made his opponent look good

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and he wrestled all the people that's like below his level in a way

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like daniel garcia you don't expect them to

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know being a sing ring, but

[01:14:14] No

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They are now the day not yet

[01:14:19] Yeah

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Not yet, but

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I still have faith in daniel garcia. I think he's

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Being given some really really bad advice, but people people like him

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry anybody who actually let him

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: This thing. Yeah, I mean the thing is you're not even at fondango level yet and we know what happened with him so

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That burns

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: No, you're seeing it wrong

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Run

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Why she liked it him he was pretty good

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Beak, I'll tell you why you liked him. It's the same reason. I liked him because he committed through the bit

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. Yeah, that's the thing. It was stupid

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But the minute you wink at the audience is the minute the whole thing has no shot

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same reason. I like tyler breeze because he was just doing a zoolander impression

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But he committed to the bit

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I got to see him like do other interviews and outside the character like themselves. They're pretty cool

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's the irony though is because tyler breeze talking about him

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He did that character because he was told that he was going to get fired unless

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he could turn it around and sometimes you need a character because you could have

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a fan of Tyson kid

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: However, I said the first time I saw him I said he's never gonna go above the midcard because he's got

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Hit in his name, which that was a mistake

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, and he wrestles extremely well, but he's not particularly

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Memorable he doesn't come on screen and you go. Oh who's that dude?

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I really liked him. I liked him. I liked him a lot niche

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Category, you know wrestling wrestling fans liked him because he was great in the ring

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was it was but as far as somebody watching television. He's not a head turner. Oh, no, not at all

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew he wasn't going like put butts in seats

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You know always coming in to see him. Yeah, I was really sad when I heard about his injury and he had to retire

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like that. Yeah

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That because that that sucks

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Um

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think he's a producer right at the worst time. Yeah, it really did

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I like the fact that he and uh claudio are still friends though

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I do like that because he really gave on well claudio got the blessing to use the sharpshooter from from him

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So on screen on screen. I don't know but I'm sorry, but when somebody from the heart dungeon tells you

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can use a sharpshooter. I I take that as legitimate

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You know it may not have been bret hart, but I mean he is married. He is married to an italian

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You know just

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Natty is somebody else too who I think has never gotten a fair shot and she

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I would make the case that she is a head turner

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Earned dana brook not necessarily to the same level, but I kind of have the same problem

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like dana more now than

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when dana was coming into nxt and they did all these

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They did all these like vignettes about how she's like competitive bodybuilder, you know, like

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Blah blah blah blah. They may seem like such a big deal and in nxt. She was

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And then she goes to the main roster and they just kind of like joke

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I always I always liked dana brook

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Her best match I ever saw was between her and nair. It was actually a really good match

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Surprisingly, I wanted to win she was that good

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And they built it up right too because that that was if correct me if I'm wrong

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That was around the time where she was like on air going like listen

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I know they're treating me like a joke here, but I'm you know

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and it's show like she was really fighting that match like it was real

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a great match. I remember I was gonna say I remember that match. It was it was phenomenal

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I was really disappointed when they didn't really go anywhere

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was just after that

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm surprised they didn't been let her go though. Like I thought she was on her way out at that point

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like cool at the time. I was like she can go to aw

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and at least get a month of on television

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: No, that was before it really got bad in the aw women's division, but it was it was smaller back then

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was still like good indie

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: wrestling

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, because I mean your big your big heavy hitters there would have been like brit baker

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like nia and not nia jacks. Um, nila rose was

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Sheeta was a big deal serenity was actually on tv every now and again

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, brit was your

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm satlander obviously satlander was there and she was she was doing the alien thing though

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't forget about rio

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no matter how much we'd like to

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she's

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Did she left

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Hang on let's let's look because I I think she's still

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what was she thinking she was thinking paycheck was tony thinking

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like yeah, let's make a

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: 98 pound soaking wet woman our first ever women's champion

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That seems like a fantastic idea

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, should I be concerned their website's not working come that would be hilarious like this website is down

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that scared me for a minute because like your your background took over for a second all I saw was vince mc man

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Is like, yeah, oh wow. I totally forgot Mercedes mone is still there

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on. Let's get down to the ladies

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get down to the ladies

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Where are the lady they're there they're the ladies

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Who am I looking up again? Oh rio so she's gonna be

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Well the fact that emmy saw her

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I never knew she was that short. Oh, I thought she was shorter

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh really? Yeah, I did

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, come on

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Where's rio?

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh hang on 95 pounds. Oh there she is. There's rio

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: No rio's still there for some reason. Okay

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought she went back to

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Star them for a bit. I think they have like a a partnership agreement or something but

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she the yuka sakezaki's still there too, you know, I don't think we've seen her in quite a while

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: What's your name? I never really had a problem with her but they never had her do anything overly

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: dumb either

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no early and honestly like I just got to say this maki ito

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Is somebody that I try not to like but I just can't help it. Oh, I like it. I like her. Yeah, I do

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's growing the world or something. Listen. Listen. It's listen. It's dumb. It's dumb as shit

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, she commits to the bit

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I've burnt wear her shirts

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry the falling headbutt finisher. I just it gets me every time

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I want to go back because apparently brian last

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Talks on the gym porn at podcast about his favorite aww segment was apparently it was this big like eight women tag

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That just devolved into absolute chaos and one of the things was maki ito

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: At the time her interest was her actually singing her entrance theme

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It was it was and and the match starts and she finishes the song

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: as as just

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Devolves into complete chaos

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like it was the greatest worst aww segment ever. It's like and I loved it

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was one. I remember because I watched it and I remember just thinking

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: What the hell like was this done on purpose?

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like surely surely something just broke down

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Like well, no, I mean, I hope it wasn't on purpose. I'm like surely something just broke down like just

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody missed their mark and everybody else just started improvising and it just devolved like if because if this was done deliberately

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh now I want to watch it but uh any other final thoughts or shall we let the people

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Leave it at that

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That was pretty good. Yeah

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Say any final thoughts on aw making wrestling better or worse or shall we let the people

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Rest with that image of vincenc man staring into their soul

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I still say, um

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: They did make it better in some ways, you know, even if it wasn't on purpose avenue

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's another album for income. So that's always a plus. Hey, we get to see new faces

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I never thought we're never sawed before, you know, that's that's big

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's big

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it is it is worth noting that the Reese's cup was a mistake. So

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It was yeah

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, was it? No, I'm I think I'm wrong

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I just mixed that up with a joke from the tv show dinosaurs

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I used to watch dinosaurs

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I love that show. I own that show on dvd my friend and it's on disney house

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The toys from it. No, you do you still have them or you had yeah the baby or something

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: No, the baby the yellow shirt

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have the toys and the father friend

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So that that's that's a show

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a show that was don't get me wrong. That show was hilarious as a kid. It's a thousand times funnier as an adult

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, it is and so sad the inon

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they had they had how I was they had like two sad episodes, but honestly the whole thing was just hilarious

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was I'll be honest as an adult

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I rewatched it as an adult and I'm like, how did this get on television for a children's show?

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: There's like there's overt references to smoking weed. There's overt references to steroids

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they call them noids and it's like every adult in the room knows exactly what's going on and the kids apparently were clueless

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I was I had I was I didn't even remember that episode not watching as adult. I'm like you how was this how was this on television?

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to rewatch that like holy crap

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And then like the episode where robbie thinks he's a vegetarian

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Man, I love dinosaurs. That was my show that show was clever as hell

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It was good good times

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: There's there's whispers of a revival and I I'll be honest. I hope it happens. I think that would be tremendous

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope it happens if it's the same

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Or similar

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So different. Yeah, you'd have to be similar. Um, and honestly if you're not going to do the animatronics then don't do it

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't do cgi. Don't come on because that was the charm of the show

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Was the puppetry

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the fact that a puppet is doing like the eyebrow raise expressions, you know, like

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what made it charming. If it's cgi, it's just another show

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fan of jim henson. We should love the muffins and muffins babies, you know

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So I love all that stuff

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Is jim henson company even still do stuff like new stuff because I know they still do the muppets here and every now and again, but

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No idea

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I I'll be honest

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of wish that there would be sort of a return to form for like the practical effects and movies more

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Like don't be wrong cgi is not going away and it's it can be a wonderful tool

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, absolutely see to me though

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I still think for example speaking of jim henson. I'll do this diatribe and then we'll get off because now we're diverting

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But I

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I still I still think the 1991

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie is more realistic looking than the michael bay ones

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, because it was

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it was real

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: By far there are dudes in in those suits doing the moves. There was no

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Computer generated imagery in any of those movies

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Even the fire was real. Oh hell. Yeah brother

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: internet high five

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I have every single toy that we had the car or the

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I still have it. Yeah, I still have it

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_02]: The phone

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a good flip phone

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh the turtle communicator. Yeah, I have that still

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that wild that yeah that because that was in the 80s

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's for cell phones even assisted or even well it widespread certainly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome star trek star trek level shit

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true the fact that it was a flip phone that was clearly somebody was a fan of star trek

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, now we're really now we're really diverting so

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: uh

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Check out the goose bumps crew podcast, especially if you like the nostalgia talk, you'll enjoy that show. Um, and then uh, check out

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Asa de la zissa for your

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Music uh, the league. I don't want to say colegula coleg colegia

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a different word. That's got a lot. That's a way different meaning. Yeah, that's that's a totally different

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a different school folks

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a totally different that's a different colegia

[01:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, yeah, we're just gonna sign off now. Um

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But uh, this has been down the middle