Part of your broadway world podcast (S3 EP6) Once Upon A Time… with Lauren from the obdyk podcast!

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[00:00:40] Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the part of your broadway world podcast

[00:00:46] now today

[00:00:48] We are finally going to discuss the hit TV show

[00:00:53] that

[00:00:54] started in

[00:00:56] 2010 or probably you know 10 or 11 and then went all the way to 2018

[00:01:03] We're gonna discuss once upon a time

[00:01:06] so

[00:01:07] And we're gonna discuss it with

[00:01:10] water tea

[00:01:13] With with with warranty, so let us

[00:01:18] Welcome her in and let's get this this started either

[00:01:25] How are you? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm great. I

[00:01:31] Was running late because I had to fix my setup here and

[00:01:36] That is fair so we're discussed

[00:01:38] So we talked about what we were gonna discuss before we scheduled

[00:01:43] What's my time the greatest show ever that that you know left us

[00:01:50] It has a take to say it left us too soon, but yes

[00:01:52] Yes

[00:01:54] It did it actually did I feel like

[00:01:57] Cuz what see

[00:01:59] And I will prep it. Oh prefaces by saying it did leave us too soon because with Disney growing and more

[00:02:09] Movies and more like stories are being told. Yeah, there was more for once upon a time to the fricking ad

[00:02:17] Yeah, I mean that's

[00:02:19] That's something that I get asked on my account because my main thing is you know

[00:02:25] it was my once upon a time to talk account is

[00:02:28] How do I think once upon a time would have handled?

[00:02:31] This or that or whichever franchise that's come out since the show ended in 2018

[00:02:36] and my answer is not usually one people like because I

[00:02:40] Usually say for a lot of like the newer ones. I always say I would kind of hope that

[00:02:45] Once upon a time would understand what is a story for them and what isn't

[00:02:49] Right cuz like also are we recording this right?

[00:02:53] Okay, yeah

[00:02:56] Cuz once upon a time at its core like yes

[00:02:58] it is a lot of Disney media because a lot of these fairy tales have been adapted into other Disney story into into

[00:03:04] The original stories I should say have been adapted into Disney movies

[00:03:07] But like the ones I get asked the most often I would say are usually in Kanto and turning red

[00:03:13] Neither of which have a basis

[00:03:16] In an in an older story. They're both new stories based in other cultures folklore

[00:03:22] So it's like one of those things where I'm like once upon a time is classic literature fairy tales not specifically Disney

[00:03:29] Right cuz like I would say especially within Kanto that is a great movie with that's

[00:03:33] Steeped and a lot of really really specific and really beautiful folklore

[00:03:37] But it's not based off of a specific story. It's just its magical realism

[00:03:42] With really good music, right, right?

[00:03:47] Yeah, that actually did make me think too like

[00:03:51] red and like

[00:03:53] turning red and like

[00:03:56] Well

[00:03:58] Maybe in Kanto would work in that world. Well, what would you think Kanto would work in that world?

[00:04:04] I hesitate to say that it would just it's it would it could be a little sector of the United Realms after

[00:04:09] You know when Regina, you know United everything at the end of season seven, but because it's like not like

[00:04:15] Based on a story it would feel a little out of place

[00:04:17] Yeah to me like the way they kind of sprinkled Moana with Maui's hook in in season seven

[00:04:24] That was enough for me because I almost like I didn't want them to to touch and possibly ruin Moana at that point

[00:04:31] But they picked the element of that that was from a specific mythology story

[00:04:36] So that's I always go back and forth as to whether or not I think I mean

[00:04:39] I'm also biased about the ending of the show because Regina was my favorite character and the ending of the show was her happy ending

[00:04:45] I'm like if we get more of this her happy ending is gonna get messed up

[00:04:50] I also wanted to talk a little bit about because I

[00:04:54] Think that you talked talked about this in one of your lives on tiktok, but

[00:05:01] The fact that they have Dorothy and that's Dorothy is not a Disney character

[00:05:07] the wicked witch of the West is not a Disney character. Yeah, so

[00:05:13] bait like a show based on like the Disney

[00:05:18] Characters having that what's your opinion on that because I don't think I'd never even realize that

[00:05:25] Yeah, well because it depends I guess on your interpretation of the stories that they're pulling from and I'm a Disney nerd

[00:05:31] I'm also a classic fairy tale nerd and my educational backgrounds and is in literature

[00:05:35] so I know I classic literature and classic stories is really my thing and

[00:05:40] From my interpretation of the stories the way that they kind of you know

[00:05:43] They reinvent them a lot of what they pull in is actually based on the versions that Disney based their movies on

[00:05:49] So a lot of these are based like it's just so many of the older fairy tales in the older Disney movies are so

[00:05:55] Culturally saturated that many people don't know what was a Disney invention and what wasn't so like you get a little bit of both

[00:06:02] But from the beginning I would say

[00:06:05] Especially because we start the main fairy tale

[00:06:07] They start out with this snow white and there's some like some inklings of Pinocchio

[00:06:10] And then we get right into Alice in Wonderland in the first season because we have the Mad Hatter and we have

[00:06:16] We have the Queen of Hearts and from the very beginning they started with classic literature that also happened to be Disney movies

[00:06:24] Fun fact for all of you Millie Bobby Brown who is 11 and Changer Things was Alice in that she was

[00:06:32] And I never knew that and then I read about it. I'm like holy fuck. Yeah

[00:06:41] She was so like with that they kind of pull from stuff

[00:06:44] That's like classic literature as well as a Disney movie

[00:06:46] So I would say the first time like we really see more of that is I'd say in season 3 with Peter Pan

[00:06:52] Because a lot of the imagery and the elements of that character are taken

[00:06:56] I would say more so from the original book less from the movie itself

[00:06:59] And then we get right into the Wicked Witch the West which is from a classic book

[00:07:04] And very iconic media so like I would say from the beginning they set themselves up as reinventing classic fairy tales

[00:07:11] Those classic fairy tales just also happen to be Disney movies and they do pull a lot from both because they're ABC

[00:07:16] So they can yeah true and I always I just I'm joking when I say this but like

[00:07:27] Since ABC is like technically part of Disney and everything well not technically it is part of Disney. Yeah, but

[00:07:36] I always kind of wondered what it would be like if

[00:07:39] Disney was like all right. We're gonna bring the most fun time characters to Disney World

[00:07:44] Well, I mean the kind of I mean the kind of didn't really was very loosely so I was talking about this

[00:07:50] I sent this to my co-host for my podcast

[00:07:53] because when new fantasy land

[00:07:55] When that opened that's actually that section of the Magic Kingdom opened in 2013

[00:08:00] They did a commercial with Lana as Regina walking around new fantasy land being like when I rule this place

[00:08:06] Things are gonna look a little different and then they kind of show all the different aspects

[00:08:10] So like they kind of brought them to Disney World, but not quite

[00:08:16] Ish they brought Regina

[00:08:22] Can I tell you really funny story though. I was a couple years ago

[00:08:27] I can't remember what year this was but a couple years ago. I went to Comic-Con

[00:08:31] I met Carrie L. Wiz who was Wesley and the Prince of Pride

[00:08:35] then

[00:08:37] The second day of Comic-Con I met Shawn McGuire. Oh nice who was Robin Hood and once upon a time and I'm like

[00:08:46] This is so cool like yeah

[00:08:48] He was the first of the cast that I ever met in person

[00:08:52] Just funnily enough he happened to be because I go to New York Comic-Con every year in the first year

[00:08:56] I went he happened to be there for some reason. I don't know why I wasn't questioning it

[00:09:00] I was like my friends we stalked the area of the show floor where he was gonna be until he got there

[00:09:11] Oh, that was 10 years ago. Oh, I hate that. Oh

[00:09:16] Just did that math

[00:09:19] Yeah, I've been a fan of the show since the Sun I always say since the start

[00:09:23] Yeah, because I started watching during the first season

[00:09:25] I was I was in high school at the time so I started I think I started watching it

[00:09:29] What was midway through season one but I ended up binging because back then Hulu was free

[00:09:34] If you don't if you wanted to watch commercials, so I watched I binged the first 17 episodes in a week

[00:09:40] Yeah, I

[00:09:43] Being the Disney nerd that I am like I

[00:09:48] Wanted to watch it so I watched it and then I

[00:09:52] Wasn't getting into it. I told my mom I was like this is stupid like and I stopped watching it

[00:10:00] Stop watching it for like one or two seasons picked it back up because I was like, okay

[00:10:05] I'll give it a second chance watch the third and then I like watch the third season

[00:10:10] because

[00:10:11] because by the time like I

[00:10:14] Was picking you back up. They were doing like third season or something like that. Mm-hmm. And then I was like, all right

[00:10:20] Okay, yeah, I love this never mind. I

[00:10:23] Love sometimes it just takes like the right app like the right group of episodes and like that's it. I'm good

[00:10:29] Yeah, yeah, I

[00:10:32] Think it's just because I didn't understand it at first cuz I was like, I don't understand what this is

[00:10:37] Yeah

[00:10:40] The first season can be a lot to wrap your head around. I feel like if like again

[00:10:43] I've binged it so I can't speak for anyone that watched it live like watching those one week at a time

[00:10:48] but having actually that's not sure I kind of can because

[00:10:52] My podcast is split up

[00:10:53] we watch them one week at a time because I'm watching it alongside my co-host who's watching it for the very first time and

[00:10:59] I've asked her on multiple occasions

[00:11:01] I was like if you didn't have me to answer some of these questions or make things a little clearer as best

[00:11:05] I can without spoilers like do you think you'd still be watching it?

[00:11:08] And she's like I'd be confused, but I'd probably still be going at least for the first season

[00:11:12] We're we're just starting to record season three. We think we've just we recorded three oh four yesterday

[00:11:18] And she's like she's like I know you you keep telling me what's coming is really really good

[00:11:23] But she's like right now. I if I was watching it by myself. I would have stopped

[00:11:27] I'm like that's fair because not ever Peter paint the Neverland Ark is hard for a lot of

[00:11:33] Viewers, I feel like a lot of people dropped off there. Yeah when the show was airing in my case

[00:11:38] I don't know why I kept watching because honestly I know where I am now

[00:11:41] I probably also would have stopped at season three, but I know what's coming

[00:11:45] I know what's good. I'm actually wearing my merch from Rebecca Mater today just out of that was by accident

[00:11:53] But like it's like it sometimes it takes the right episodes and sometimes it can take all it can take is one episode to

[00:11:57] Kind of knock you off. You just get it gets to be too confusing

[00:12:00] right exactly

[00:12:04] Yeah, cuz the Peter Pan episode

[00:12:06] It's where a little comfy still really good

[00:12:09] But still a little confusing to me because I was like why is hook

[00:12:13] Like and it trying to hit on Emma and then like why is Emma like not like I don't understand that part

[00:12:19] Also, why is hook hot? I mean why not make him hot at that point is really my question

[00:12:28] You know my first question why is hook so high if you're gonna

[00:12:31] If you're gonna have villains you might as well make them attractive

[00:12:33] That's really that's how I've always been you're gonna have them make them really attractive and once upon a time does deliver

[00:12:40] I mean print like

[00:12:44] Prince Charming's the first like Snow White's prints like that I understand cuz no this

[00:12:50] I hate myself for this cuz this is gonna be so stupid, but yeah the cartoon version is pretty hot

[00:12:58] Yeah, I can see that

[00:13:03] Yeah, the

[00:13:05] The thing with with that

[00:13:06] I was I came up with this idea the other day while we were recording because I was trying to like I was trying to help my

[00:13:11] Co-host feel better as I was like you just get through this the next episode is gonna be a hook back store

[00:13:15] You're all enjoyed that then we're gonna have the burn maids. It'll be fine

[00:13:18] I'm like I'm dragging her along in this half of the season

[00:13:20] But it's be think because also there this is the first season that they do the 11 and 11 episode

[00:13:26] Like season break like you have your a and b halves

[00:13:29] Yeah, and I think they were still figuring out how that structure was gonna work because there are some points where it just feels like

[00:13:36] Nothing's moving forward given that you only have 11 episodes like things can move slowly when you know

[00:13:42] You have a good chunk of your season to get through it

[00:13:44] But in the case of this one like we know episode 11 this arc is gonna be over so like why is

[00:13:50] Nothing moving forward. Why am I getting a lot of world building without any plot?

[00:13:54] Which like there's like it's a hard balance to strike

[00:13:57] Especially since they're figuring out how that story structure was gonna work for them, right?

[00:14:03] And I was going speaking of like when we were first talking about characters that like are like weird that

[00:14:09] that they're in there

[00:14:12] Oh, Pete

[00:14:16] The warlord of bothy will never make any sense like I go

[00:14:21] I'm surprised I haven't used that for her Katie yet because she she's gonna be like what are you what the hell are you talking about?

[00:14:27] Like cuz there's no way to explain that

[00:14:30] It's like she's evil and everything to almost like and she's like we are like

[00:14:37] She has a cockney accent for some reason right, right

[00:14:41] I don't like

[00:14:41] Tell me in which word which world this works in because this doesn't work

[00:14:51] At all

[00:14:53] No, there's there's no way to make that one make any sense

[00:14:55] There's there for you things like I pride myself on like being able to make a lot of stuff on that show makes sense

[00:14:59] Bo peep is not one of them. No and

[00:15:02] And then there was a part where like I think it was Christoph and Anna go to see Bo peep and like

[00:15:08] How does that like yeah, it's it's too many things because Anna was there with David and then there was Bo peep

[00:15:15] It was there's too many things on top of each other. Yeah. Yeah, mm-hmm

[00:15:20] And then the

[00:15:22] Ingrid and Elsa like who is this ingrid person? I get

[00:15:29] I'm starting something like what the heck

[00:15:32] Yeah, Ingrid this I liked they included the Snow Queen because that's an arc that at the more that I watch it

[00:15:39] The more and more I like it right which is it's an odd thing that I'm learning with especially with this show in general

[00:15:44] The more I watch things that I didn't like at first them

[00:15:46] I start to like them more and more as I get older and as I analyze them differently

[00:15:49] Yeah, and the frozen arc at the very beginning was another one that lost

[00:15:53] they thought it was gonna win them a lot of viewers and it lost them a lot of viewers but

[00:15:58] Remove because at the time it was the soonest that they could do that that came out

[00:16:02] That was the fall of 2014 frozen came out fall of 2013. That was the soonest they could do a frozen arc and

[00:16:08] At the time it felt very much like a money money grab of you grab and it probably was and it didn't work

[00:16:15] But the more I watch it separate from that and I'm able to like just watch the story for what it does for Emma's character growth

[00:16:22] especially in season four I

[00:16:25] Love that arc. It's crazy. It's bonkers. It makes no sense some days

[00:16:28] but I love watching it and Ingrid as a villain is like turned out to be really compelling if

[00:16:35] I removed myself from the idea that they just did this for money

[00:16:41] I'm also very biased because she's played by Elizabeth Mitchell and I love her just in general

[00:16:45] She was a great choice for that, but she's also just a great actor

[00:16:48] Yeah, so I'm also I get to be I'm very biased when I like the actor who plays characters

[00:16:52] Like even if there's nothing we're doing about that character. I'm like

[00:16:56] But but they're pretty

[00:16:58] But they're pretty. They're pretty. That's usually all it takes

[00:17:02] Like but they're pretty

[00:17:05] All of the women on this show are very attractive and they wear very low-cut dresses. I'm sorry. I'm weak

[00:17:13] The low cut dresses I have a type what can I say?

[00:17:20] Yeah, I

[00:17:21] Mean my type is uh

[00:17:23] What I can't think of her name the one that played Ariel. She was Joanna Fisher. Yeah, Joanna Fisher

[00:17:29] Yeah, that that's mine. It's mine. I'm sorry. No, not fit not Fisher Joanna Garcia. That's her last name. Okay. I'm gonna go. Yeah. Yes. Yes

[00:17:38] um

[00:17:40] Yes, she's she's mine

[00:17:42] My my guilty slayer that is fair

[00:17:46] Uh

[00:17:47] Which by the way she she was in riba

[00:17:50] yes, she was and

[00:17:53] I completely because

[00:17:56] It's it had been years since I saw riba

[00:17:58] So I kind of forgot all the care all the people

[00:18:01] in them

[00:18:03] And then I was like and then I saw like the little mermaid episodes

[00:18:07] And I'm like she looks really familiar. I looked it up and I'm like, oh my god, it's shine

[00:18:14] That was a pleasant surprise. Yeah, right

[00:18:19] And then

[00:18:21] I

[00:18:23] Really enjoyed the

[00:18:24] The villain episodes really enjoyed like all the villain episodes with like Crilla and nurse law and

[00:18:31] The queen's of darkness that was like tailor made for me chaos

[00:18:36] Seriously, like it felt it felt like it because like they were just I mean all of them were a little off the walls

[00:18:41] Yeah, like a little bit because it was it was chaos that the three of them like they all had something

[00:18:46] It was almost like their own villainous five man band

[00:18:48] But they all had something they all needed and uh, if you again basically if you include Regina

[00:18:53] Regina rumple mal Ursula and Crilla that is a villainous five man band in and of itself

[00:18:59] They've got everything they need there and it was they were just

[00:19:03] They were absolute chaos. Can you tell that I like the villains? They are my favorite character

[00:19:08] Not at all

[00:19:09] I do too and I'm so speaking of villains

[00:19:13] This is perfect time to mention. I'm so happy that they are

[00:19:16] Making a villain's land at disney finally

[00:19:20] I saw that and I said this to my friend. I'm like, they've been teasing this for years and like, yes

[00:19:24] I know they did announce it but like I will believe it when I go to magic kingdom

[00:19:28] And I see the construction barriers up. That's when I will believe they're actually doing it. Yeah, exactly and

[00:19:34] like

[00:19:36] two

[00:19:38] I think like the last um

[00:19:42] D 23 it it was like a blue sky project now that it's not a blue sky project and it's it's in

[00:19:49] um production, you know, um

[00:19:54] Now it feels more real now it feels a lot more real. Yeah, I'm excited only thing is how long it's gonna take to fucking build it

[00:20:01] I would imagine a long time because I think they said it's two attractions plus shopping and dining

[00:20:06] So that's gonna take a while. Yeah

[00:20:08] And if and as we all know

[00:20:11] Star think star wars land took about five years

[00:20:14] mm-hmm

[00:20:15] Avatar looked to Pandora to how I don't even know how long now and got delayed a couple times. Yeah

[00:20:20] so

[00:20:21] We might be relating like 30 years and we'll be like

[00:20:24] For like 50 by time

[00:20:27] I will go whenever it whenever it opens. I will go

[00:20:32] You can't see because I have uh blurred but I actually have my my leg my lego um

[00:20:37] Micro magic kingdom castle maleficent dragon and um my queen my evil queen heart box behind me

[00:20:45] Oh my gosh, I mean, I'm glad that we're getting out of the villain's land

[00:20:49] But don't fucking take forever to build it please

[00:20:52] Just just just get it done in such as you can

[00:20:56] As good as you can. Yep

[00:20:59] And I don't want to see green walls at magic kingdom

[00:21:03] um

[00:21:04] We took five 100 years

[00:21:06] For the green for the green walls and like ebkaw and everything. Okay. I'm not I'm not excited for green walls

[00:21:13] No, nobody is

[00:21:16] They they ain't pretty they're not pretty well, that's why they make them go away green

[00:21:21] So in theory you shouldn't see them if you don't look too closely

[00:21:25] You walk

[00:21:27] But if you look at them from very far away

[00:21:29] Stupid

[00:21:30] Yeah, but yeah, I'm excited for for the villain's land. I'm excited for

[00:21:35] Here the villains to actually have a home

[00:21:38] So we can start meeting them

[00:21:40] Yeah, if we got if magic kingdom gets the face characters, it's gonna be great

[00:21:44] Yeah, and I do wonder what villains we will get

[00:21:49] Yeah, because they haven't really announced anything specific

[00:21:51] We just kind of get the general vibe of what they want the land to look like

[00:21:54] But we don't really have any idea yet and then monsters ink land in hollywood studios

[00:21:58] Yes, it's exciting, but I am nervous. They're gonna put that where muppet vision is

[00:22:02] That's what people are saying, but that's

[00:22:04] I don't know because this thing is like they do need to expand

[00:22:07] I think they they have space to expand outward

[00:22:10] But this was my joke was I was like if they if they do put it where

[00:22:13] Where muppet vision is right now?

[00:22:15] My joke was but then where will I take my naps in hollywood studios? I love muppet vision

[00:22:20] I've seen it 500 times. I go there to take a nap

[00:22:25] I do that with carousel progress

[00:22:27] Same carousel. I have basically one in every park

[00:22:30] Yeah, I know that I realized that because yeah, because I muppet vision is my hollywood studios one

[00:22:35] Carousel progress is for magic kingdom

[00:22:39] I the land living with the land is mine in fcott

[00:22:42] I I go on that and I pass out because it's warm in there and it's slow and all that other stuff

[00:22:47] And then I've been known to fall asleep on the safari in animal kingdom

[00:22:54] Not on purpose, but it just happens

[00:22:56] I was talking to some of my friends about that about where monsters think land was gonna go and

[00:23:04] Some people some people were saying like that like maybe just get get rid of um, launch bay

[00:23:12] That area and then it's built around that area

[00:23:17] Yeah, I was wondering if maybe like they would possibly demolish the galactic starkers or since they're not since it's closed

[00:23:22] But yeah, don't touch muppet

[00:23:24] Don't touch the muppets. I need my nap

[00:23:28] I need my muppet

[00:23:30] We need the muppets

[00:23:32] We we it's it's vital. It's because it's

[00:23:35] Hollywood studios have just changed so much because when I was going back. I used to go back when it was mgm

[00:23:41] Because that's how old I am

[00:23:43] Like so much of it has how much of it's changed since then yeah, or we can compromise disney disney

[00:23:49] We'll hear me out we can compromise and we can build a muppet's land

[00:23:54] And then put that there you could do that

[00:23:56] Yes, move the there's we did we move the muppets into the galactic starkers around we do the muppets take star wars

[00:24:03] What is that muppet short? Oh pigs in space. Yes pigs in space. There you go

[00:24:13] We've solved the issue someone from imaginary and call us

[00:24:17] Just do pigs in space where like star cruiser is and then

[00:24:23] Move with the muppets over there. Mm-hmm there I'm all for that

[00:24:29] Because pigs in space doesn't get well up and that's like an amazing short. Yeah, I think so

[00:24:35] There used to be

[00:24:36] And by the time I started going back to disney world kind of regularly

[00:24:40] They'd already started construction on um galaxy zed so it was already gone

[00:24:44] But at one point there was a storefront that had

[00:24:48] A dark one dagger in the window in hollywood studios

[00:24:52] Yeah, but by the time I started going it was gone. Yeah, because that was where um

[00:24:58] Osborne family lights was yeah, yep

[00:25:01] And then they got rid of that and I got really sad because I know I knew about the book

[00:25:08] They're being there and the dagger being there and I got wanted to see it and it

[00:25:14] Did not go well. I have my own version of the book as best I can. This is my kindle case

[00:25:23] It's the one-time book. This is the best this the case cost more than the kindle, but it was money worth spent

[00:25:28] I mean, I mean it's one time come on. It's obviously it's obviously it's like the

[00:25:34] Best month the best money well spent

[00:25:36] I have spent a lot of money on this show

[00:25:39] Which is funny because like this is my thing of like a lot of the viewership

[00:25:42] It's kind of ever replenishing like I see that a lot with my with my account a lot of the viewers

[00:25:46] The people that come in are you know the age that I was when I started watching the show back and

[00:25:51] I'm not doing that math anymore not not talking about that

[00:25:53] But I get a lot of questions of like because I have

[00:25:57] Almost all of the funko pops that came out almost all them

[00:25:59] There were a couple of con exclusives that I never got and I never got the rumpelstiltskin one because he had a mouth and he was creepy

[00:26:06] The people would be like, oh my god. Where did you get those? How do I get those? And I'm like, I can't help you

[00:26:11] I bought them when they were producing them and they cost $12 at hot topic

[00:26:16] I can't I can't help you. I don't know where you get them now

[00:26:19] I don't know

[00:26:20] I don't know where you get them because like mine are also all out of the box like an outfit could resell them

[00:26:24] I threw out the boxes. I don't have them. So when I move this is going to be fun

[00:26:29] but like I have all those I have um a

[00:26:32] A physical copy of one of the novelizations actually two of them one of them I bought from driftbooks

[00:26:37] uh

[00:26:38] I have it's buried in my bookshelf so I can't grab it but the photographer who did the on-site photography

[00:26:43] He put out a book like all like a lot of the pictures that he took once the show was over

[00:26:48] It was like a charity run

[00:26:48] So like I have all of these things like when the show was actively airing and I'm like I

[00:26:54] I can't help it. He wouldn't get any of this. I bought it when it was just readily available

[00:26:58] My advice is get a time machine. I don't know

[00:27:00] I also wanted to talk a little bit about like their their final season

[00:27:05] Final was very sad final season

[00:27:10] And I say sad because of the freaking up scene

[00:27:13] That scene was heartbreaking

[00:27:17] Truthfully and like the fact that they made the music to sound like the up music too. I'm like Mark Isham was the composer

[00:27:22] He's a fantastic composer. He did a great job with that but like that was depressing

[00:27:27] And it's like they particularly went

[00:27:30] Did all the scenes from up from that from uh from like

[00:27:34] From when they did married life

[00:27:37] Mm-hmm. And I'm like

[00:27:41] People I hate you people so much

[00:27:45] This is why like the season the seventh season it wasn't it wasn't necessarily like not

[00:27:50] I mean that's sad. It's sad because the show is ending the show has been

[00:27:52] You know important to many of us for a long time and still is from people that are still watching it

[00:27:56] And I'd mess as if I'm not still watching it actively but

[00:28:00] um

[00:28:01] My like I said my favorite character was Regina and she

[00:28:05] Got her happiness by the end of the season and like there was a lot of stuff going on throughout the season

[00:28:10] But also she spent a good chunk of the beginning as Ronnie who I always say they they just took a cursed persona so far from

[00:28:17] Regina they just circled back around Talana basically

[00:28:19] Uh, which was looked like a lot of fun to play but like Regina got happiness. Selena got happiness

[00:28:25] We've had an actually

[00:28:27] An actually good sapphic couple as opposed to Dorothy and Ruby

[00:28:33] Like ruby slippers was great in that we're like, thank you for confirming what we all knew that ruby was bisexual

[00:28:39] We knew that already

[00:28:41] Like it's great to have that confirmed

[00:28:42] But if you're gonna do it maybe give us some more time

[00:28:44] but like Alice and Robin might be my favorite part of

[00:28:49] Season seven just because like they gave them time like we got to see them kind of fall in love again

[00:28:52] I mean in high period in heights

[00:28:55] And it was very touching because we didn't get real representation the first time

[00:29:00] Right, right exactly

[00:29:02] and then

[00:29:03] I also just because I'm still obsessed with this and I have been for like a week now

[00:29:10] I wanted to switch gears a little bit and talk about the new

[00:29:15] I don't know if you watch the descendants movies or whatever

[00:29:19] Does it you know descendants movies?

[00:29:21] I have seen exactly one descendants movie. I've only seen the first one

[00:29:26] I've only seen the first one because like it's it is something that I should probably

[00:29:30] I probably would enjoy if I were to go back and watch them

[00:29:33] But there's something like there's like a block in my head

[00:29:35] I'm like that's something that I would watch when I was a kid

[00:29:37] Why am I watching that now? But like that's never stopped me before

[00:29:40] I don't know what it is about those movies specifically that I'm like

[00:29:43] I don't know if I want to keep going

[00:29:46] Not I don't know. I mean people love them

[00:29:47] I'm sure people love them

[00:29:48] Like they obviously they've made four of them and from what I've seen

[00:29:52] Of the fourth one. I think I would enjoy it, especially because they do bring it. They bring back in

[00:29:56] Randy

[00:29:57] Yeah, the fourth one is a fucking amazing

[00:30:01] It's fucking amazing. So I've been told

[00:30:06] Like each song is like banger after banger after banger after banger. I'm like

[00:30:10] Oh

[00:30:13] It's not like

[00:30:14] The regular descendants movies. I don't feel like I feel like the fourth one is like more adulty

[00:30:21] Okay

[00:30:22] Which is so weird say for this channel, but given that they did bring back

[00:30:26] They they're by brandy and the actor who played the prince from the from their version of Cinderella

[00:30:32] Hop hallows. Hello montalban. I think it's his name. Yeah, okay

[00:30:36] I that that was obviously put in there for the adults because like I feel like the because when the first one came out

[00:30:43] I want to say I was in college. So like the so the brandy Cinderella was my generation

[00:30:48] Like that was like that was a wonderful world of disney from like from when I was a kid

[00:30:51] So I think that was put in there for like for like our age group. Yeah, like

[00:30:56] And I was like I did just say to like I actively choose to watch brandy Cinderella more than I do the

[00:31:04] Uh cartoon. Oh same

[00:31:07] like

[00:31:08] I love the cartoon

[00:31:09] Like oh gee disney is like my favorite like I grew up on that but

[00:31:16] I actively choose to watch brandy Cinderella

[00:31:20] I would hesitate actually. No, I would not hesitate to say because I'm gonna say this now

[00:31:23] Uh, Cinderella 3 a twist in time is better than the original

[00:31:30] That is one of the few straight to straight to dvd sequels that I'd be like, I think that's better than the first one

[00:31:35] I mean the first one's a classic though. It is a classic. Yeah, you can't this it is it's

[00:31:42] It is a it is a creation of its time. Yeah

[00:31:46] And you know, like I guess like you can't really have two and three without the first one, but

[00:31:55] Two shouldn't have existed

[00:31:59] Two was it was in that time period

[00:32:02] I almost feel like they were testing to see if they could do a tv series

[00:32:05] Because they had done that with other ones. They'd done the little mermaid series the Aladdin series some like this

[00:32:10] I feel I almost feel like that move was testing to see if there was interest in a Cinderella series

[00:32:14] And clearly the answer was there is not and the interval is like hell no

[00:32:18] How do you how do you feel about the fact that once upon a time did two different cinderella's?

[00:32:24] I it almost kind of confused me because I was just like why you want why are we doing two different cinderella's

[00:32:30] Why can't we just stick to the one and call it good? Yeah

[00:32:36] My thing with that one because I'm aware that I come at a lot of

[00:32:39] Once upon a time and this might just be my age or just what I've been doing with the once upon a time account

[00:32:44] Because this is what I end up having to do. I realize I come at a lot of these things from very academic point of view

[00:32:48] Because I'm like well if we go into the literature and the etymology

[00:32:51] um

[00:32:52] A lot of what's good about orals or a lot of what's good about oral storytelling is that they change but also that

[00:32:59] Different cultures have different versions of essentially the same story. We see that a lot

[00:33:02] I've done a lot. I've I have done a lot of research on the evolution of fairy tales and my academic background

[00:33:08] And so the fact that they because that's cinderella. I mean it's also she was played by an actor

[00:33:13] She's played by a hispanic actor

[00:33:14] So it is almost like oh, this is just a different version of cinderella. It's different because

[00:33:19] I mean that's what it was. It was like we're now seeing a different

[00:33:23] Cultures version of cinderella and yes, it was henry this time

[00:33:25] But then they just made it more complex that if we stopped there

[00:33:29] I would have been like this is fine

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[00:34:34] Also, I wanted to point to to ask you about what you thought about Emma being like

[00:34:42] Essentially the swan princess

[00:34:44] AKA Odette, but yet they don't bring up bring that up at all. I feel like

[00:34:51] They brought in elements of of the swan princess. I do agree with that

[00:34:55] Um, I think their intention with Emma was always for her to be a new fairy tale

[00:35:00] That's what I get from a lot of the interviews that I've watched for prepping for my podcast is a lot of

[00:35:05] Emma like they they put it elements of that like Emma's like swan is a very iconic image in a lot of fairy tales

[00:35:10] And they they brought in I think and it's a flashback in season five that that Emma read the the ugly duckling

[00:35:16] And that's why she picked swan because that was her hoping that

[00:35:18] She'll find her swan family the family that is that gave her away or that lost her and she'll find them again

[00:35:24] But they don't bring in too many elements. I think I would say of the actual swan princess

[00:35:29] story

[00:35:32] Because I think they did always intend for like for Emma and Henry to kind of well Henry

[00:35:35] Less so I would say Emma is a new fairy tale because she is very much born of that world

[00:35:40] Because everything is like Henry's always the exception. She sometimes is because savior, but not because she's someone of this realm

[00:35:46] Henry is more

[00:35:48] I would say he's even more of an amalgamation for like the real world in

[00:35:52] Storybrook because he was born of this realm like yes

[00:35:55] He was born of the daughter of snowy and prince charming and the son of rumble silkskin

[00:35:59] But he was born in this world and in so many cases like with what happens at the end of season in the middle of season three

[00:36:04] They they have they have to get him out because he's not from the enchanted forest whatsoever

[00:36:09] So he is very much. He's the real world in storybrook. Emma is the pov of the viewers in storybrook

[00:36:15] That's how I kind of separate those two. I also like throughout the whole entire season. I got really confused on like

[00:36:22] you know

[00:36:24] Because I don't know why he wants to find a time like to do like to do this like with like

[00:36:28] With with Emma dating and marrying hook and then with like Henry being

[00:36:36] having uh

[00:36:39] Regina and Emma being his mother's

[00:36:43] like

[00:36:45] it's there's a lot of

[00:36:48] Like weird mixtures that I don't really approve of because I'm like, okay. So why is still white?

[00:36:55] Her Emma's mother. How is that how does that all like go together?

[00:37:01] I don't the family the the joke I make all the time and I'm pretty sure if it isn't already

[00:37:05] It will be a title of an episode of the podcast because our titles are usually something ridiculous that one of us have said throughout the episode

[00:37:11] But the family the once upon a time family tree is basically a wreath if you look at it too closely

[00:37:18] Um, because you can just it's it's continual. It's a bunch of different overlapping loops is the best way that I can describe it and

[00:37:25] It's it's confusing if you look at it all at once

[00:37:28] If you put it together piece by piece as the viewers learned it kind of like what I'm making katie

[00:37:32] You do I'm like every time like there's no one I'm like we're gonna go very very slowly

[00:37:35] We're just gonna just don't think too hard

[00:37:37] I'm not gonna explain too many things because it's gonna get too confusing

[00:37:39] That's why I'm also building out a timeline for her as we go and like if I gave you everything it would make no sense

[00:37:45] but like

[00:37:46] I think the what why the the writers did that

[00:37:50] This is just this is just speculation based off of what I know from my writer friends and why we do things

[00:37:57] That they chose familial connections

[00:38:00] Because those are the easiest for viewers to relate to like especially when you're using these outlandish characters

[00:38:05] Like rumble stiltskin captain hook emma swan snow white the evil queen

[00:38:10] The wicked witch of the west the queen of hearts all these characters that are all connected through henry basically

[00:38:16] like

[00:38:16] They're all so outlandish, but viewers understand a tumultuous

[00:38:21] sibling relationship they understand an estranged parent and child relationship

[00:38:25] They they to an extent understand

[00:38:28] A strained co-parent relationship like we can see between regina and emma trying to figure out that kind of situation

[00:38:33] So like I think they landed on these familial connections because they're much more easily relatable

[00:38:41] Especially when you're in an already outlandish setting

[00:38:44] that's like

[00:38:46] But like i'm just trying to figure out because i'm wondering

[00:38:52] How the hell did snow white have

[00:38:57] the small princess

[00:38:59] As a daughter like that well because i mean like I said she's kind of she she really isn't this one princess if we think about it

[00:39:05] Emma swan especially i think it becomes a lot easier once you kind of understand emma swan being her own fairy tale

[00:39:10] Yeah, her name like she's inspired i would say by like as opposed to snow white who is snow white

[00:39:15] You know ruby who is the who is little red riding hood, but also the wolf that was a good flip

[00:39:19] I liked that that was amazing flip. I love but it comes to those

[00:39:24] That's one of my favorite ones when people ask me what was the most shocking?

[00:39:26] I always say that but like emma swan is

[00:39:30] Just emma swan

[00:39:31] I was like I think that makes it a little bit easier to figure it's like to kind of wrap one's head around

[00:39:35] It's like she's not an appereasing fairy tale because then you'd have to go into the lore of how one fairy tale begins another

[00:39:41] And there are cases where like that is that does happen

[00:39:45] This like the same fairy tales will kind of like turn into other versions

[00:39:48] But I said snow white and the swan princess are two very different stories, right?

[00:39:53] uh

[00:39:54] I guess that makes a little bit more sense than because

[00:39:58] Because like

[00:40:00] Sorry the sun's like in my eyes

[00:40:01] You're fine

[00:40:03] Like like you said it's like a wreath so it's like it is a wreath

[00:40:07] Because like if we really if we I've done like the videos, it's like what's something you could talk about for 10 minutes without any prep

[00:40:13] I'm like how much time do you have?

[00:40:15] Because like you start with henry so you got emma and neil those are his parents

[00:40:19] We'll start on the father side neil is i mean because it's all the loop around anyway

[00:40:22] Neal is the son of rumble and mila mila left rumble for killion killion marries emma who is henry's mother?

[00:40:28] That's one circle. Oh, I forgot about oh, I forgot about

[00:40:32] Yeah, the ever iconic line of so you've been with my full malava and my son. Is that right?

[00:40:38] I forgot about

[00:40:39] To this day, that's one of the best lines in the entire show neil. Why did I forget about neil?

[00:40:45] We forget about neil a lot katie does not like him which makes katie and I it's very fortunate

[00:40:51] That she's been watching the show she and I dislike the same characters

[00:40:55] Which has made the podcast so much easier because like

[00:40:59] If she really like if I haven't made it a parent before I I don't personally care for neil rumble or pan

[00:41:06] Those are I would say my my three least favorite characters

[00:41:08] Right and if she liked any of them, I would have to I would feel the need to like be a little more reserved in my critique

[00:41:15] So like I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings

[00:41:17] She doesn't like them anymore than I do. I'm like great. Let's talk about how how useless this person is

[00:41:25] It works in my favor that she and I are very much of the similar personalities

[00:41:35] Let's just figure out how useless this this this bitch is because like this this bitch is like really really useless

[00:41:41] Well, neil will I mean when she'll get to it soon where neil just starts being very useless because he'll he'll be

[00:41:47] combined with rumble and then dies

[00:41:51] they're like a scene like

[00:41:54] Of like him in a cage in emma or something like that. Yeah, that's yeah

[00:41:58] Because after they get captured after he gets recaptured because yet the the uselessness of him

[00:42:03] Let me go on my tangent very quickly

[00:42:04] The uselessness of neil in 304 in that him and rumble work together to get henry back

[00:42:09] They get henry back but then pan is like but actually your father might try and kill him

[00:42:13] So, you know be wary neil's not wrong in distrusting his father. However

[00:42:18] Paralyzing rumble and then walking away only ensures that they get recaptured

[00:42:22] Right and then neil ends up in the echo caves and that

[00:42:26] I loved this. This was this was very perfect because i'm watching the episodes that have audio commentary

[00:42:32] That if they do I watch them with the commentary as well. It gets me some extra info for the episodes

[00:42:37] and

[00:42:39] In the commentary for lost girl 302

[00:42:41] It was two of the writers and they called neverland therapy island. Yeah

[00:42:47] And it's like in the echo caves are like the therapy caves like that's what it is

[00:42:50] You have to like reveal like your innermost secrets and confront your emotions

[00:42:57] It's the therapy caves. Oh my god, I didn't even think about that big like

[00:43:02] Being like that. Oh my god. It's the therapy is it's

[00:43:06] Genius

[00:43:08] And like Katie had been saying no time was like everyone just needs to talk everyone just needs therapy

[00:43:12] I'm like well they got therapy. She's like you're not like this

[00:43:16] I was like, I don't know what to tell you

[00:43:18] Dr. Hopper wasn't enough for you. They have a whole island now

[00:43:21] Dr. Hopper

[00:43:23] Uh, he tried aren't you tried? He wasn't very good, but he tried

[00:43:27] I I heard dr. Hopper when I when he first got introduced and I'm like who's dr. Hopper and then

[00:43:34] As it went on i'm like

[00:43:36] Oh my fucking god. He's the grass. He's the he's the he's jiminy cricket jiminy cricket

[00:43:43] He's jiminy fucking cricket

[00:43:45] Yep

[00:43:47] Apparently the scene

[00:43:49] This is just this is what happens on my podcast is something will happen and i'm like, oh, I have a fun fact

[00:43:53] Let's talk about this um in the pilot the scenes where Emma

[00:43:57] Meets archie for the first time on in storybrook at night and the scene of the like the battle group

[00:44:03] Where where jiminy says like you know giving into one star because I'd never accomplishes anything

[00:44:07] Which she also says in the storybrook one those scenes were originally flipped

[00:44:11] I don't remember why but I think it works better the way they had it

[00:44:14] Really because like that because I feel like

[00:44:16] If they put the jim because I think that was what they were trying to I think they flipped them

[00:44:19] So you couldn't entirely tell jiminy cricket was voiced by raffael subarch

[00:44:23] Because I think if they'd done it the other way around it would have been very clear

[00:44:27] right

[00:44:28] that

[00:44:30] That makes that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, they're trying to like not hide it but like not make it super

[00:44:36] obvious not make it super obvious

[00:44:39] Unless you're me that I just pick up on voices really well

[00:44:42] I mean again, I was also 16. So I don't I don't even know if I picked up on it back then

[00:44:49] I mean, yeah

[00:44:51] There's a lot of things I didn't pick up

[00:44:53] uh

[00:44:54] On the show that I'm now at 25 being like what the fuck I that went over my head

[00:45:01] Yeah, there was something I don't remember what reveal it was

[00:45:05] There's something from season two that I said I didn't pick up on as quickly and Katie was like, but it's obvious. I'm like

[00:45:11] At my age now. Yes, I would say it was obvious

[00:45:14] I can't remember exactly which one like what reveal in season two it was

[00:45:18] But I was like like there's some things where I'm like I saw that coming

[00:45:21] But like the two that I can say I didn't see coming were ruby red being the wolf

[00:45:26] And I didn't really see pan being rumple's father coming either like that was one that I but that one that one is almost more like

[00:45:33] Where did that come from that one wasn't the that's my thing with pan like that I I I never found that reveal to be particularly

[00:45:41] Compelling and adding a lot to his story. It just kind of made him more of an asshole

[00:45:46] right which you know is

[00:45:50] parent because like he is an asshole so

[00:45:52] He is pan is an asshole

[00:45:56] And very much and it's so weird because like

[00:46:00] I thought you know with pan

[00:46:03] And we were gonna get oh, we're gonna get the pan from the actual disney, you know like oh no that that is far

[00:46:11] from

[00:46:12] Disney character. No, we get the version that's more from the book that like lures boys to their death basically

[00:46:22] I read I read the original book

[00:46:24] I took a classic classic children's literature class in college

[00:46:27] So I I read for that when I read the wisdom of Oz I read Peter Pan

[00:46:30] Uh, I read a bunch of different fairy tales just for a different project

[00:46:34] Right, what I don't I've I've read a lot of classic. I read Alice in Wonderland

[00:46:39] I've read a lot of classic children's literature for my time in academia

[00:46:41] So I know a lot of what they pulled from those for once upon a time

[00:46:47] And I didn't know that that were there was a book

[00:46:50] So I've only seen the disney version and I preferred the disney version because a lot of people

[00:46:57] I mean I I would say I still prefer that. I mean I I'm not the biggest fan of the animated Peter Pan

[00:47:02] In in the general pantheon. It's not my favorite disney movie, but I would watch that over reading the book again

[00:47:07] Yeah, oh he was

[00:47:11] He was he was a trip

[00:47:13] He he was something I can say that

[00:47:19] Like at this point in the season where I said we just recorded the episode for for nasty habits katie

[00:47:25] She's still she's like, but why is he evil?

[00:47:28] I'm like, yeah, honestly don't get an answer to that until the eighth episode of the season

[00:47:31] Which by then the season the arc is almost over which is why she's like, but it's moving so slowly. I'm like

[00:47:38] Yes, welcome to television

[00:47:39] Well, well these things like it's not even like because she loves she wants we want space

[00:47:44] We're both in the in the camp of like we want 22 episodes seasons to come back

[00:47:47] Yeah

[00:47:48] Because filler episodes are great in those times because that's what gets you to care about the characters and like

[00:47:53] I mean the last episode gave us time to care about characters. It just wasn't characters that we gave a shit about right

[00:47:59] It gave us time to care about neil and rumple and we're like

[00:48:03] But like we have to care about neil

[00:48:06] Neils neil. He was main cast. That's why we were supposed to care about him. They gave him extra money, I guess

[00:48:11] Neils an idiot

[00:48:13] neil

[00:48:15] Is basically useless the episodes that I feel like I can skip are usually the ones that are focused on him

[00:48:19] That's what I'm saying. That's what we talked about earlier. He's useless and he's an idiot

[00:48:23] He's useless. He but he's not as much of an idiot as snow and charming. They continue to be idiot one an idiot two

[00:48:30] Yeah, yeah, okay, they will forever be the two idiots

[00:48:33] That's going by Regina

[00:48:35] Can I tell you my least favorite episode of once upon a time go right ahead and and that's like

[00:48:41] Chalking from a musical a stan musical theater standpoint. I love musicals

[00:48:47] It's the musical episode, isn't it? It's the musical episode. Yeah, interesting. Okay. Can I ask why? Oh my god? It's just

[00:48:55] stupid

[00:48:55] okay

[00:48:57] This this singing is stupid

[00:49:02] I love um hook song but like yeah, revenge is a good one. Yeah, like the uh, the rest of it

[00:49:08] Like snow white song. Oh my god snow white song

[00:49:11] Can I can I go a little academic into it like to talk about this because I mean I personally like the musical episode

[00:49:16] But I'm not gonna try. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just trying to

[00:49:19] Talk about where I come from with this. Yeah, so much of the music and this is my thing of like I

[00:49:24] What I see a lot of people do is they say but it's it's a musical all the music kind of feels the same

[00:49:29] I'm like, yeah, it does because especially powerful magic

[00:49:32] Love doesn't say a chance wicked always wins and revenge can be mine. Those were all I want songs

[00:49:38] They all function the same way in the story

[00:49:40] So they don't move it. I mean also nothing moves forward because at the end of the music a less aspect

[00:49:44] Their memories get reset because it's also like set within months of the curse beating cast

[00:49:48] There's no time for anyone to move forward anyway

[00:49:51] But those are all functionally the same song because snow and charming Regina

[00:49:56] Killian and Zalina are all the main characters in their own story

[00:50:00] Therefore they're all entitled to their own. I want songs. I feel like that's something I'm like

[00:50:04] If you try and treat it like a full musical

[00:50:07] That's when it's gonna be like nothing happens. I'm like, but it's it's an episode it's an episode with music

[00:50:12] That's how I always that's how I play it and like I love campy stuff

[00:50:15] Like this is like my brand of campy like it's because it's all themed specific to the characters like snow and charming is very

[00:50:23] Classic Disney into a little bit of like modern kind of musical towards the end of it

[00:50:28] Regina's is like that rock music that I think could have been up a step

[00:50:32] Maybe to feel fit better for Lana's voice. Just that's a personal thing. Yeah

[00:50:37] Killian's is the rock music Zalina is like total eclipse of the heart power ballad and the the plan makes no sense

[00:50:43] But it's also perfect for the character

[00:50:45] and then I really like

[00:50:47] What they do with Emma's theme because that's the music that mark isham has put in the show

[00:50:51] That's like they rearranged his score for that song

[00:50:54] And that's one thing as an ice. I admit this is the very academic way of looking at this show and looking at these songs

[00:51:00] I think it's a very powerful piece of storytelling to take music that up until now had only been on the viewer side of things

[00:51:06] At least that's how we assumed it to be it's something the viewers are experiencing you hear that

[00:51:13] You hear that behind Emma's actions and we assume it's just us

[00:51:16] But making that a tangible thing of the world that Emma has been experiencing the entire time

[00:51:21] I think that's a really powerful way of kind of

[00:51:23] Bridging the like kind of making the fourth wall even smaller between the viewers and the and the characters

[00:51:29] But that's that's the thing is not me trying to change your mind because if you don't like it

[00:51:33] You don't like it. I'm never going to try and change someone's mind if they don't want to

[00:51:36] But that's my very academic way of looking at the musical

[00:51:40] It was just a little too pitch perfect and that's okay

[00:51:47] That's your opinion. That's okay and pitch perfect sucks

[00:51:51] The first one I liked it was the rest of them out so much

[00:51:55] First one, I love second third and fourth and now probably fifth. All right, it's gonna

[00:52:00] There's there's just too many of there's too many of them

[00:52:04] Did you say that that uh

[00:52:05] Fifth one is gonna be in in development

[00:52:09] I don't even think I saw the fourth one

[00:52:12] Rebel Wilson

[00:52:14] is

[00:52:15] Oh getting it in

[00:52:18] Development and I'm like

[00:52:20] Rebel honey. Just

[00:52:22] Sit down. All right. Just sit the fuck down like this is this is what I say with

[00:52:30] Anything is in order for it to feel special. It has to end

[00:52:33] Eventually, it has to have ended in a spot and if you're gonna go back into the world

[00:52:37] You need to have a reason to

[00:52:40] And this I've been to springs back to to once my time because I get asked a lot of time if they did season eight

[00:52:44] What would I want them to do and my answer is not an answer anyone likes

[00:52:48] Because I and this is also like I said before is very selfish because season seven ended with my favorite character getting her happy ending

[00:52:54] And I think

[00:52:55] Regina being the evil being the evil queen Regina being the good queen is a solid and satisfying happy ending for her

[00:53:02] If there's another season selfishly, her life's gonna go to hell. That's how the writers they treat her like a punching bag

[00:53:07] I don't want to see that happen

[00:53:09] But I say this a lot about about any reboot anything that's like going back into production

[00:53:14] You need a reason to re-enter the world

[00:53:17] and

[00:53:18] I don't see them coming up with a compelling one other than things are repeating themselves

[00:53:24] And now Lucy and hope need to go on adventures that that's basically what I would see them doing

[00:53:29] And I'm not the biggest fan of like next generation retellings

[00:53:32] That's a personal thing

[00:53:33] So that's why I'm like my as I was warm people my answer is probably not one you want to hear because I'm like

[00:53:38] I want the show to be I think it's okay if the show is done. I think it's okay

[00:53:43] well and it's not only that but like

[00:53:49] It ended in a good way and then some sometimes when shows come back with like a

[00:53:55] Like a reboot. Mm-hmm. Like they're terrible reboots. They're terrible

[00:54:02] Yeah, and a lot of times I feel like with a lot of shows they feel unsatisfying if you don't get specific actors back

[00:54:09] Like I would say with Fuller House

[00:54:10] Like they spent so much of that first season making jokes about why Michelle wasn't back because Mary Kate and Ashley Olson had no desire

[00:54:16] Which is that's that they're prerogative. They're allowed to don't keep making jokes about it throughout your entire season

[00:54:22] I think once upon a time would have a hard time

[00:54:25] Getting back Jennifer Morrison just because she's

[00:54:28] Truthfully thriving with everything that she's doing right now. I mean she wasn't in

[00:54:33] A couple like the last season of this is us. Okay, she rocked that

[00:54:38] She acts when she wants to she predominantly does directing and producing

[00:54:42] She's got her podcast her that her production company

[00:54:44] Like she's thriving with what she's doing and I think that's something I got asked a slew of questions

[00:54:51] Like do I think season seven would have been better received if this changed or that changed?

[00:54:56] And all of my answers after a while like I have to stop doing this because the answer is just always no

[00:55:01] Yeah, because I feel like there is no season seven change that could be

[00:55:07] Just as satisfying to viewers if Emma didn't come back and Jennifer Morrison left for her own personal reasons

[00:55:12] And it was it was for the better for her

[00:55:13] But one person did ask me that was like do I think it would have worked if they'd just recast Emma and I was like

[00:55:20] I mean this in the nicest possible way. Have you met the fans of once upon a time?

[00:55:27] No, I don't think it would have been doesn't received any better

[00:55:29] I think like any season without Jennifer Morrison Jennifer Goodwin, Josh Dallas everyone that they wrote off the show

[00:55:36] Any season without them wouldn't have been better received than what we had

[00:55:39] Right, exactly. That's just how view that's just how viewers are a lot of viewers just don't they just they don't like change

[00:55:44] Which is okay

[00:55:47] But I always say I'm like if you watched it live

[00:55:50] And you're annoyed that it was different even though all of the marketing said this is a reboot sequel new characters

[00:55:56] New stories familiar settings if you're still surprised that it's different. That's your own dang fault

[00:56:03] Because literally when they

[00:56:04] Um

[00:56:06] Rebooted the tv's the tv show rose and that's completely different

[00:56:11] Mm-hmm. And so dude, it's not it's not gonna be the same. Sorry to tell you. It's not gonna be the same

[00:56:17] Honestly, I feel like when they got rid of her a gun better

[00:56:20] Yeah

[00:56:21] When it became the Connors, I think it got better. Yeah

[00:56:25] But but now the colors are ending and I'm like no

[00:56:28] Oh

[00:56:29] I only watched a little bit of it. I think I watch maybe the first two seasons of the reboot

[00:56:32] Oh, I watched every single season

[00:56:34] I would say I don't have time to watch tv

[00:56:39] But I really I honestly don't between everything else that i'm doing I watch tv for my podcast

[00:56:43] Is that i'm watching once upon a time and bopsburgers

[00:56:47] Uh

[00:56:50] Do you want me to explain the concept of the podcast because it's weird?

[00:56:53] Yes, please. I was about to ask you

[00:56:55] Yes

[00:56:56] Why don't you talk about your podcast for a little bit?

[00:56:58] I shall so my podcast is called okay, but did you know which is a tv and media podcast where we share our love of our favorite tv and media?

[00:57:06] That the other co-host has never seen before that's the main that's the main concept

[00:57:10] Because like it came about it was really it really was a joke

[00:57:13] I bought my microphone, uh mostly because i'm looking into starting um some audiobook narration in the very near future

[00:57:18] And my co my friend katie was like hey, so when we do in that podcast because we just kind of

[00:57:23] We joked for months that when I got a microphone we do a podcast

[00:57:26] I was like what podcast are we doing and like I have been trying to get her to watch once upon a time

[00:57:30] She'd been trying to get me to watch bopsburgers or like can we do two podcasts with that work then like

[00:57:35] Actually, can we just make it one podcast? We were like it took it took like a good day of like of logistics

[00:57:40] But one did we made one podcast so basically the idea is so every week

[00:57:45] We are recapping episode by episode once upon a time and bopsburgers

[00:57:49] Which are two very different shows the once episodes go out every monday and the bobs ones go out every wednesday and the bobs ones

[00:57:57] Cover two episodes of bobsburgers per podcast because they're short so that way the episodes can kind of be about the same length

[00:58:02] So the idea is you're listening to the two of us recap and chat about these shows

[00:58:07] Both from the perspective of a seasoned viewer and a new viewer

[00:58:11] So like you have katie asking me a lot of questions and me teasing her about what's yet to come and it's it's a lot of fun with that

[00:58:17] With bobs, it's a lot of like what the hell am I watching?

[00:58:21] I'm now obsessed with these burger buns. What have you done to me?

[00:58:25] So

[00:58:26] It's a lot of that. It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of chaos

[00:58:29] Because you've got two the vibes of two very different shows like they're very like there

[00:58:33] But I think it the concept is sharing media that with your friend

[00:58:37] That's never seen it before and that way we get to info dump at each other

[00:58:41] Which is always a lot of fun and because that way I I have a lot of fun facts that I happen to just know

[00:58:46] I post up from like the wikis

[00:58:48] I post up from the interviews that I've seen throughout the years all that other I pull in fandom stuff like the

[00:58:53] Lana doing the disney world commercials and stuff like that

[00:58:57] And we have a lot of fun with it and we've been doing it for

[00:59:00] A little over a year at this point. It'll bite in november

[00:59:02] It will have been out for a year because we were the geniuses that came up with a tv podcast the day before sag

[00:59:08] after went on strike

[00:59:09] It was great timing. It was fantastic timing

[00:59:12] Fantastic

[00:59:13] It was amazing, but honestly it worked in our favor

[00:59:16] Because we'd always planned on like the the best advice we got was like

[00:59:20] You have a bank of episodes before you go that way you just just that way you can just post and never worry

[00:59:24] You'll just know that you've got stuff if you need to take a week off. You're not missing any content

[00:59:28] So we planned on recording for like a month at first and then once we kind of decided

[00:59:33] Let's just wait until the strike is over because it's just

[00:59:35] Our shows aren't technically under the thing that's under contract because they're not being struck because animation

[00:59:40] Like short animation was different and once was it would have been considered struck work at the time if it hadn't made

[00:59:46] Like this is too gray of an area. Let's just wait

[00:59:49] So we ended up with like a three and a half month bank because we recorded from like july to november

[00:59:57] Without ever posting

[00:59:58] So that works in our favor like we're doing this a year later

[01:00:01] We still have a two and a half month bank. We can still take weeks off if we need to we do supplement

[01:00:05] Well, because we do specials also

[01:00:07] so

[01:00:09] Every once in a while we'll throw in like an episode that's just about like we did one about has been hotel

[01:00:13] Or are we throwing one that was just about fandom culture topics because I have a lot of thoughts

[01:00:20] Um, and then we also have our book club

[01:00:22] So we've we started doing that as well

[01:00:23] Which is we read books that um have either been adapted into tv and uh and film or that are retelling

[01:00:30] So it's like adaptations in itself. So we do that once a quarter and soon we're going to start to do movies

[01:00:35] We have yet to figure out how that's going to work, but we do know what our first movie is

[01:00:39] So we're gonna figure that that'll be like around november

[01:00:42] I think is when we're gonna figure that one out, but at the at its core it's

[01:00:45] A friend of ours called it like a socratic seminar like we do have a core topic

[01:00:49] We're talking about an episode. We're talking about a topic, but it will go off the rails

[01:00:54] But it'll come back to the point. It's all on topic even if it goes off the rails, right?

[01:01:00] That it it's it's been a lot of fun. It's been one of my favorite things that I've ever done

[01:01:05] That sounds a lot like me too like

[01:01:07] When I was gonna because

[01:01:11] Back because I watched um grease grease rights of the pink ladies, which it was my favorite sapphic

[01:01:18] Uh

[01:01:19] Show it's a great show that came out. It was great show. I'm really upset that I only got one season

[01:01:24] It's done. It's sad. It's sad. Um, but then so I was going to you know interview

[01:01:32] um

[01:01:32] It's probably

[01:01:34] Like I was gonna try to get an interview with some of the cast

[01:01:37] And interview about the show because that thought that that'd be cool. I could talk about grease

[01:01:41] Yeah, which is a musical which is the musical and everything but then I keep it, you know

[01:01:46] in that realm. Yeah, and um

[01:01:49] Then the strike happened

[01:01:53] And I was like shit

[01:01:57] I

[01:01:58] Whoops, I did I saw an interview that Ari did the actor who played uh Cynthia

[01:02:02] Uh about episode five, which is the episode that Jennifer Morrison directed

[01:02:07] Uh, and it was weird. It was not weird was funny that they said that like that it was such a pivotal moment for the character

[01:02:12] And kind of coming out a little bit figuring out because that's the episode

[01:02:16] With um merely players is the song. I don't remember much about the episode. It was a halloween episode

[01:02:20] yeah

[01:02:22] And they said in the interview that it was like kind of a full circle moment for them because watching

[01:02:25] Jennifer Morrison as Emma swan was so pivotal to them coming out as a person. Yeah, like that is very funny. Yes

[01:02:33] um

[01:02:35] but then um

[01:02:36] A couple weeks later I had interviewed someone that was

[01:02:42] Covering and interviewing the people that were the picket lines

[01:02:46] In New York City

[01:02:49] And so I had them on and then the next day that I posted it or like

[01:02:57] The date and I'm not even kidding you the the day after I interviewed them

[01:03:03] the strike stuff

[01:03:04] and I'm like

[01:03:07] I post this, you know, it's like tomorrow and

[01:03:12] It's gonna make no fucking sense now because

[01:03:17] It strikes our

[01:03:21] No, I remember but I was funny not I mean it's funny because I had a lot of people that were like very excited for our podcast

[01:03:26] Because we've been kind of like talking about it in like our circles for a while

[01:03:29] I was out to dinner with a friend of mine and I got a bunch of instagram notifications

[01:03:32] But I didn't look at them. I'm like i'm with my friend. I'm gonna be present

[01:03:35] I'm not gonna look at anything on instagram and then five minutes later my co-host calls me. I was like

[01:03:42] Okay, I think I need to take this I think something has happened

[01:03:44] So I answer the phone while i'm at dinner. I'm like hi is everything okay? She's like the strike is over

[01:03:49] I was like

[01:03:51] Because like neither of us are part of the union

[01:03:53] But like we were doing our best to be in solidarity because it cost us nothing not like it cost us nothing to keep the podcast off

[01:03:58] The air

[01:03:59] It was just but it was like and but then it was excitement of like that's great for for the actors

[01:04:03] It's great for everybody in the industry like now we actually have to figure out how to market this

[01:04:08] We've been building this podcast for three months. How do we post? How do we do this?

[01:04:12] Right exactly

[01:04:14] I

[01:04:15] Felt we were where there were not part of the the union, but it felt like we were kind of a part of it

[01:04:19] Yeah, exactly like you know I I felt like I did feel like it. I felt like

[01:04:26] You know, oh i'm covering this i'm part of the union. Yay

[01:04:29] And then and then it's like oh i'm not part of the union anymore because they strike over now

[01:04:34] So dammit

[01:04:35] No, I will likely never be part of sag after almost likely

[01:04:39] No, I have like for someone that does a lot of

[01:04:42] Stuff with my voice and stuff with it like I have not that I have no desire to be a voice actor

[01:04:47] If it were to happen, I'd be very happy but like

[01:04:50] when it comes to like

[01:04:52] Being like a sag after member like working on like union projects

[01:04:56] I I don't see myself doing that. It's like it's that thing of like

[01:05:00] I mean this is amazing thing is I need I need job security and health insurance

[01:05:04] From a pragmatic standpoint, but like I always like letting my creative stuff be a supplement to my life not my entire life

[01:05:11] right

[01:05:12] right

[01:05:13] and like

[01:05:15] In order to get to the point where you can qualify for the sag afternoon

[01:05:17] It has to be your life and that's and for people that can do that and make that work

[01:05:20] That's phenomenal. I have nothing but admiration for them, but it's it's not me

[01:05:29] One final thought is

[01:05:32] What because a one final thought about uh, what's my time?

[01:05:39] Literally

[01:05:40] Oh, so okay, so we talked about how like sometimes the storyline doesn't really make any damn sense

[01:05:47] Like like uh the bow peep and I mentioned bow peep again because bow peep

[01:05:54] Why why are you here?

[01:05:57] Why are you here? Yeah

[01:05:59] Yeah

[01:06:00] Your Pixar. Why are you here?

[01:06:04] She's a nursery rhyme

[01:06:07] And she's a nursery rhyme. You're right. She's a nursery rhyme too. Why are you here? You're not

[01:06:14] No, well was

[01:06:16] Okay, you can you might know this better than I do was toy story ever under disney pixar or is it just pixar?

[01:06:23] Okay

[01:06:27] I always get those mixed up. Yeah, I believe it was just pixar

[01:06:31] Okay

[01:06:33] Yeah, I believe that um

[01:06:37] But yeah, and then

[01:06:40] Like I said, why are you here this? Why are you here?

[01:06:46] Yes, sometimes they just they sometimes they just woven too many stories

[01:06:49] And this was like going back to what we said the very beginning

[01:06:51] We're like I feel like after a while some disney movies just should some disney things don't necessarily need to be once upon a time

[01:06:56] Things because I feel like at a certain point the the stories are already so overly saturated. They really did focus a lot on

[01:07:04] Quantity over quality while simultaneously being really good at getting people to care about characters really quickly

[01:07:11] Which is both a good thing and a bad thing because it means that viewers care a lot about characters

[01:07:16] That they never had any intention to do anything with

[01:07:19] They're like this person was always supposed to be here for like an episode and give someone a prophecy and walk away

[01:07:24] What do you mean? They have like a hundred thousand followers on tiktok like if tiktok wasn't on back then

[01:07:30] That's just what came out of my mouth. But like right it worked to the it was it's very

[01:07:35] It's good that they can do that but also it works to the it made a lot of angry fans

[01:07:39] when like Mulan got shoved the wayside really quickly or

[01:07:42] You know the characters only stuck around for 11 episodes because that's how the arcs worked

[01:07:46] Like people were like not happy which I will find

[01:07:50] endlessly hilarious at one time at a convention that was uh

[01:07:54] christen bauer marron dungey and victorius murphitt saw our queens of darkness

[01:07:57] Someone asked them do we have any hope to see any of your characters in the future?

[01:08:01] Sorry victoria because karella was dead

[01:08:03] But of those three women the only one we ever saw again was karella

[01:08:09] Because they went to the underworld and then she came back in the season seventh finale

[01:08:13] Because they had a wish karella which I forget about constantly

[01:08:17] sorry

[01:08:18] Can I just say this that whole that whole

[01:08:23] Part of that season made no damn sense the wish realm

[01:08:26] Yeah, we'll never make any sense

[01:08:29] Especially because they turned the season seven and chanted forest into the wish realm which makes it make even less sense

[01:08:34] like if they'd left it alone

[01:08:36] As just that pocket realm of season six and when emma leaves the realm is gone

[01:08:41] That would have been fine

[01:08:43] But they when they they needed a reason for

[01:08:47] Hook to be there without emma and the best way to do that is with wish hook unfortunately

[01:08:51] Well, and then even in like the last season with like rona pennery and then like tiana and i'm like

[01:09:01] Make it make sense here. I trust me. I've tried

[01:09:05] What is tiana doing here?

[01:09:09] I've tried i've tried so hard

[01:09:11] I've tried to make sense of that season seven and truthfully the thing that makes it

[01:09:16] Nearly impossible to make sense a because they decided it was the wish realm which is just that just throws it off but

[01:09:22] robin

[01:09:23] actively makes everything make no sense

[01:09:26] I've tried to do the math on it to figure out like how far back they could have gone how far apart things need to happen

[01:09:31] But given the fact that there's about four years between the end of season six and the beginning of season seven

[01:09:37] And then there is apparently a time jump at some point when they go back

[01:09:41] It's not an there's not enough. This is and this is one line if they'd left this one line out

[01:09:45] It wouldn't be as difficult

[01:09:47] Robin specifically states in the mid season finale of season seven that she's 25

[01:09:51] If they hadn't given us her age, I could have just assumed she was like in her early 20s and it probably would have been fine

[01:09:58] But because she said that it makes no sense

[01:10:02] Sometimes all it takes is one line to throw everything off

[01:10:07] It doesn't make sense

[01:10:09] To this day and I've been watching it like over and over like what I go back to those to those couple

[01:10:17] Like a couple of that of those scenes from season seven

[01:10:22] um for a while and i'm like

[01:10:25] Nope, I tried to I tried to

[01:10:28] rewatch them

[01:10:29] To try to make sense of them. This still doesn't make sense. No

[01:10:34] No, you can't make sense of it and I look forward to katie yelling at me when we get there in

[01:10:40] I don't know year and a half two years whenever we whenever we get to season seven based off of our schedule

[01:10:44] It'll be a little while because we in a year we got through two seasons. So it it'll probably take us

[01:10:50] Probably another two years to get to season seven

[01:10:52] Wasn't there like a scene too where like cinder that cinder that cinder was like on a motorcycle?

[01:10:58] Yeah, that's in the opening. That's I think that's an opening

[01:11:00] It's not I can't remember if that was the cold open because I can't remember the

[01:11:04] This the exact order of the scenes, but it's in the first scene. It's in the first scene with her and and henry

[01:11:11] Okay

[01:11:12] So this is actually that they can't be the cold open the cold open is jared going through the portal. Yeah

[01:11:17] It's I was just like

[01:11:19] Why are you want why do you want a motorcycle?

[01:11:22] That makes no sense because that was them modernizing it. That's you know, Henry having a motorcycle is his version of having a horse to ride off on

[01:11:31] So it's a lot of it's it's it's like these little things that like sometimes land and sometimes don't

[01:11:39] Oh god

[01:11:40] Like I said, I I really I I come at so much of this from like the literary analysis the academic analysis because that's what I've

[01:11:47] I mean, that's what I've kind of turned my account into is people ask me these questions and like

[01:11:51] You want a really thoughtful analysis that no one ever asked for before here you go?

[01:11:56] That's just how my brain works

[01:11:59] That's which can be it's a good thing in that it gives me I have a platform for it and I have a podcast for it

[01:12:06] So it's all good

[01:12:07] Also, like I just thought of this too like seasons back

[01:12:11] But like seasons back where we saw like the sorcerers hat. We didn't see mickey anywhere

[01:12:17] No, but um

[01:12:19] I think at one point you can see on a cork board. There's like a

[01:12:23] They circle the apprentice and they they have an arrow next to yin sid

[01:12:26] That's what they that's that that's what they decided his name was

[01:12:29] Well, because here's the thing. Yes, abc is disney, but mickey mouse was still heavily under copyright back then

[01:12:37] True

[01:12:37] Like like the end to be fair he still is the only the only version of him that has secondly outlived its copyright is steamboat willy

[01:12:44] yeah

[01:12:45] And I feel like if they've made remade once upon a time and used steam or steamboat willy. Oh my god, that was not

[01:12:51] I could see them having it like on a tv in the background

[01:12:56] Like for some random scene that I could see them doing

[01:12:59] I don't know why but why could I just picture them? I couldn't I can see that but I can also see them doing like a

[01:13:06] CGI sort of thing where like it's steamboat willy

[01:13:10] After the CGI trolls from season four, I would hope they didn't their CGI budget was it was

[01:13:16] They did the best they could knowing that like now that now I know this that like basically all of their CGI

[01:13:22] They had the company that did it and basically had anywhere from eight to 16 days to get it done

[01:13:27] So when you have not a lot of time and you have only so much money

[01:13:31] They had to save their CGI

[01:13:33] Where they could

[01:13:34] Yeah, so like that meant sometimes the CGI didn't look so great. Like I just watched the episode with a giant squid

[01:13:40] Like maybe not the best and I know they're saving that because they have they need better CGI is the as the season goes on

[01:13:47] But they almost had to like conserve it like it will look okay

[01:13:51] It'll look better later because when we need something really really cool. That's when it's going to look cool

[01:13:56] Right, right exactly

[01:13:58] You gotta conserve

[01:14:03] If you're gonna redo one time one time time, please don't do a CGI

[01:14:08] We'll see but will

[01:14:09] No, please do do practical effects like honestly there is practical special effects

[01:14:15] There's

[01:14:15] There's something really special about them because I feel like the last show that I watched that did a lot of its own

[01:14:19] Practical effects was true blood and I only know that now because chrisen bauer has her podcast and she's talked about those stuff

[01:14:24] And like a lot of it is practical of like the fangs like they were just like, okay pause for fangs

[01:14:29] Someone comes in put the fangs in okay

[01:14:31] Unpause and they go back about the scene stuff like that like it once would do that with the poofs

[01:14:36] It would be like pause for poof

[01:14:37] Someone what runs in like lana did explained one time how like the heart ripping works. They're just like, okay

[01:14:42] So basically it's just me like you should like put your hand against the guy's chest

[01:14:46] It's like, okay pause and then my hand kind of comes out from their armpit

[01:14:48] And someone hands me the heart and I go back and then unpause and then we do it again

[01:14:52] Like there is there are some magic those times that it's practical or kind of the times where it looks the best

[01:15:00] It's a little it kind of I guess maybe knowing that maybe might might ruin the magic a little bit

[01:15:04] but i'm like so many of these scenes i'm like all I can imagine is just

[01:15:09] Like like the one from the end of welcome to story brook. I'm like knowing how they film this

[01:15:13] I'm like, oh, I can imagine now is just jinny groaning

[01:15:15] Well lana essentially just like grabs her boob

[01:15:20] That's basically what it had to be

[01:15:26] I have such a way with words don't I?

[01:15:29] Yes you do

[01:15:30] I'm gonna enjoy it so much

[01:15:34] Oh, this is why I'm a writer

[01:15:40] Not a tv writer, but I am a writer it paints a picture

[01:15:44] It shows you what to expect in my books

[01:15:47] It paints a pretty picture. That's very visual

[01:15:54] Oh

[01:15:55] Well, thank you for coming on. Yeah, thank you for having me. This was great. Oh my gosh. Um, well, that's it folks

[01:16:03] um, thank you for

[01:16:04] For tuning in and you know being very

[01:16:09] Digilant with me holding my hand up because of the freaking sun

[01:16:14] Hopefully the chaos was enjoyable. Yeah, hopefully it was enjoyable

[01:16:18] Um, but none nonetheless, we will see you next time. Bye guys. Bye everybody