Part of Your Broadway World Podcast (S4EP30)| A hadestown Early Birthday Special FT. the Problems!

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[00:01:15] Welcome to the Part of your broadway world podcast and it's a week By the time this comes out it's a week before my, it's a week till my birthday but So it's a very merry unbirthday Yeah Very merry unbirthday But close Like, by like a week It's a very merry close birthday to you, to who? To you To you Oh god Uh Me no you

[00:01:45] Very merry unbirthday So today you Which one of us is the hatter? I feel like you're the hatter I'm perfectly fine being the march here I feel like depending on whatever Star Trek episode it is we could interchange That's also valid, that's true, that is very true Oh my god So yeah, it's an early birthday special We're gonna talk about Hades Town because, obviously

[00:02:15] Good choice, all a choice I did not have time to watch it again I've not seen it, I'm vaguely familiar, so But I am familiar with the Odyssey, so Um, I watched exactly half of it because I realized at about 2, 4 to 3 this afternoon that I was supposed to watch it and I was like maybe I could finish it And I didn't finish it, but I watched half of it It's like 2 2 hours and something Minutes or something like that

[00:02:44] 2 hours and 21 minutes Yeah, there was no time, no way you were gonna, you were going to in time Did you just do it on 2x speed? No, no I coulda though There was a couple points where I was like, would it be wrong if I just skipped through this 3rd or 4th song about Persephone that is kinda redundant? Probably, probably She has at least 3 songs where she's like, I am Persephone I'm like, I get it, you're Persephone Can we move on? Or is she? No, she was

[00:03:14] Yeah, no, she was Anyway But yeah, I like, I actually liked the pro shot a lot Pro shots were what I hear, I hear good things It was so, so good The thing about it for me in my opinion, I realized this when I was watching this A good pro shot needs to be more than the theater experience But it can't be a movie A good pro shot to me melds kinda both Like it'll use some creative cinematography

[00:03:43] While still, you know, maintaining true to the like theater experience So this one has a couple of fun shots of like Them going down into Hades town on like a trap door And it's shot from like them looking down And it's really cool, you're like, oh this is cool, you wouldn't get this if you were in the theater I appreciate that like extra level of like doing something unique As far as pro shots are concerned, it's a very well shot one Very well made pro shot Yeah, the shot where like

[00:04:13] Your, your Riddish is going down The, the, the trap door Um, or the raised and lower platform She's going down and it's like, it's like shot up So then that way When, when, when everyone's looking down Watching her Go Down It, it's like It's, they're getting like farther and farther away Yeah, it's pretty cool

[00:04:43] It's a pretty creative bit of cinematography Yeah That like you wouldn't get if you were there Like a pro shot's never gonna capture the feeling of being live in the room So like utilizing the, the art of film Um, to make it different Is, is cool I appreciate when a pro shot actually puts effort into its cinematography Because it's like, yeah, you gotta make it worth people going to see this in theaters theoretically Not like the NBC rendition of Peter Pan, which I was so excited for

[00:05:12] And then, I don't think I've ever been so disappointed in a musical In such a short amount of time See, okay, I liked it, but then also did not like it Is that the one with Christopher Walken? Where he's, where he's hook? I don't know, I didn't get that far It's, uh, who's, who's the, the CNN anchor? His daughter played Peter And I was like, I was like, this is pure nepotism That's hilarious Because when I say she brought nothing, when I say she brought nothing to that role That's hilarious I mean, she brought nothing to that role

[00:05:41] And they did, they did a lot of weird camera things Like they did a Steadicam shot in a theater pro shot And I was like, this is weird, this does not work But I like stuff like that because it, it makes, it makes it like, it adds a bit of flavor to it So you're not just watching a straight shot of a stage Well that to me is like, when I, when I like them editing together between like long, medium and close-ups I'm fine with that Steadicam for me, I don't know, for a theater production At least in this case, I just, it didn't work for me

[00:06:11] And I was just like, this is That set looked bad, I'll say it They looked awful It looked awful But they did a lot of those NBC, like, didn't they, didn't they also do like hairspray? Which was, they also did a bad version of hairspray I like hairspray way better, but only Because I like Ariana Grande Fair enough Yeah, they did a couple of, oh, Grease, I think they did one of Grease, that was also not really good either But, but Justin, we, we both know, incidentally, because of the episode of Star Trek we watched recently

[00:06:40] How to properly do, like, how would you call that, like a sparse set design? Yeah, absolutely, yeah And it looked great, it looked fantastic Yeah, good, good, a good set design on, like, sparse set design will allow your brain to fill in details I liked Annie, what they did this year They did Annie this year I didn't see the one they did this year, but I don't, I'm not a, I don't like Annie

[00:07:08] Really? You don't like Annie? That, oddly that surprises me Is it because it's war, wartime propaganda? No, I'm just, I'm just not a As Annie's sitting behind me Well, Justin, you will, you will appreciate this I am not its target demographic That is totally valid That's one of those ones I grew up watching as a child So I think I'm always gonna have an... See, me too, and I hate the vast majority of the songs That's totally, well, I always joke and I say

[00:07:39] Tell me any other songs besides It's a Hard Knot Life and the Sun will come out tomorrow from that musical By name, you have to say it by name See, didn't even know that I liked Sandy and I liked It's a Hard Knock Life It's a Hard Knock Life is a banger, that's a good song To be fair, I know I'm wrong because I also can't stand Grease In any form, not just the movie Oh, I mean, to be fair, Grease is bad, so that's completely mine

[00:08:04] I'll admit something, in as much as I love Julia Huff I did not like the NBC thing that they did For Grease? For Grease, they did a live version of Grease Well, that's because they did Grease That's because Grease is generally not very good That's because Grease is awful And Julian Huff

[00:08:33] Julian Huff was Sandy and Vanessa Hudgens was Rizzo Really? I don't think, I don't know how to put this in a way that's not going to come across as misogynistic But Julian Huff is too hot for Sandy She's not, she's not, he's not plain enough Like, like Sandy should be really plain Well, and Vanessa Hudgens is definitely not old enough to play Rizzo

[00:09:00] Because Rizzo has to be like, played by a 45 year old And they all do I understand that Vanessa, how old is Vanessa Hudgens now? She's probably 40 years In her 30s, at least I would think No, she's older than us, I would think Oh no, she's not, she's not I'm sure she's the same age as me, roughly She is 37 Yeah, yeah, so she's a year older than me I'm older than her That's weird My favorite song in Greece is when the angel comes to tell the one girl that she's shit at something

[00:09:30] Oh, beauty school dropout You should feel bad, you're real bad at that fucking job You know who plays her You know who played her? Carly Rae Jepsten Really? The singer I will always have a fondness for Frenchie because I being the I was a big fan of Shining Time Station Or Thomas the Tank Engine as a child And Frenchie is the lady from Shining Time Station

[00:09:58] So I will always be forgiving of her in that movie That's such I'm not cutting that show up But as someone who's only seen it like tertiary Such an odd concept for a show It's so weird when you wouldn't realize that The Mr. Conductor was both Ringo Starr and George Carlin Like, just the Very strange Like, go look up George Carlin Can I see what he did?

[00:10:28] Like a copious amounts of drugs went into the development of that show, correct? For sure, definitely Definitely I could just see that Trains But with faces Oh my God That show That scared me as a child Thomas the Tank Hey, it's got a killer opening theme though I mean, it does It does, but also the faces scare me today I mean, that's totally fair That's very valid

[00:10:56] There's one of the books where the ones on the mainland have their faces cut off It's a very upsetting franchise Just so you all know Yeah, no, yeah, it's a whole thing Um British, right? Yeah Oh, that makes sense Please don't send that to me Oh, we got a children's story I know, let's disfigure them Pretty much, yeah When you're deemed not useful They send you to the mainland and they cut your face off Yeah, please don't send that to me Thomas the Tank Engine, everybody

[00:11:26] The kids love that franchise And here I thought this was a feel good story about overcoming persevere Overcoming adversity No, no, no No, no, it's trained communism, Jake It's trained communism Oh Oh, boxer Oh I actually, I quite liked Hadestown It is the story of It made me realize I'm unfamiliar with the story of Orifice and Eurydices

[00:11:56] Yeah, no, not super I for whatever reason I always conflate their story with the Persephone and Hades one Yeah Which is kind of probably why their stories get mishmashed in this Yeah Oh, I got it confused with Epic Yes So everybody who's calling me an idiot in the comments Because I said I was familiar with the Odyssey That would be why They're tangentially related They're related in a way I mean, in a way There's some cross-pollination in characters Yeah Definitely, yeah

[00:12:25] But yeah So for all my listeners who don't know anything about Hadesown Which I doubt because you're listening to a theater podcast There's some cross-pollination there So I mean, if you haven't, then what are you doing? What are you even doing here? Exploring YouTube because they're bored That algorithm is just friendly Yeah It's a cross-lover story of Eurydice And Orpheus

[00:12:54] There it is She goes down to hell basically Because Quote-unquote And Orpheus ain't doing shit To, you know Here's the thing I'm guessing you guys aren't like this But I have trouble following story through music So if it's just characters I'm not a big opera guy So if it's just characters just kind of singing I don't really

[00:13:23] So like it took me quite a bit too long to realize that like This is like not the Greek story It's supposed to be like in the modern sort of ish day Yeah And it's supposed to be like Hades is not actually the underworld But it's like a mining town An underground mining town I had to Wikipedia a lot of the plot of this because I got confused I didn't get all that And that's not on the musical That's a me thing I'm just not good at

[00:13:53] So did they give this the Romeo and Juliet treatment Leonardo DiCaprio style Yeah, but this is actually good But instead of both of them dying It's just her Yeah, that's the That's what happens in the Eurydice season Orpheus myth This is different She doesn't technically die in this So much as she is cursed to stay in Hadestown It's a metaphor for dying But in the original, the original myth She gets bitten by I looked up the original myth

[00:14:22] She gets bitten by a snake Gets poisoned and dies And he is just like in this Really good at singing well And this myth usually ends with his head getting cut off I first learned about Orpheus from I listened to the audio drama version of The Sandman And he's a character in that And his dad is Morpheus And Morpheus goes out to get Orpheus' head And so he just carries around Orpheus' head But this Does not have that

[00:14:51] Did we accidentally connect Hadestown, Greek mythology And Thomas the Tank Engine? Yes, we did Like a bunch of experts That's what we do here Totally by accident And Yeah I thought they never made a Thomas the Tank Engine musical And in the play It's a coal mining town It is a coal mining town Because if they did make a Thomas the Tank Engine musical It would get sued so fast For being like totally scaring children

[00:15:21] Well, the kids love Thomas the Tank Engine It's made for adults, clearly Yeah, obviously, obviously, yeah It's a musical about children Children don't watch Thomas the Tank Engine anymore They're on their phone Looking at the TikTok I honestly, I think they still do Just because it's on PBS Doesn't mean kids watch it I think it's still a reasonably Not the original version Not so much, but like The newer version I think it's still a reasonably popular character Hey, if they can make a good Paddington musical

[00:15:50] They can make a Thomas the Tank Engine musical That's good Oh, but that presupposes that Paddington is good But Paddington is good I'm messing I've never seen it I just know it's a bear in a raincoat It is, yeah, yeah, yeah But would they make the Tank Engine as creepy as the show? Because if not, I'm not doing it I presume, yeah, it would involve puppetry, yeah It'd be like Cats, but with trains But with trains, yeah, yeah To be clear, the movie, not the stage

[00:16:18] The version, but also the stage musical is also kind of a borderline thing as well Incidentally, this is hilarious In my local area, Haley, you might have these beef and boards It's a restaurant slash show It might be a local thing here It's dinner, it's dinner and a show But I drove by a billboard last week And it said beef and boards is doing cats And I'm just like, that's ambitious That does feel Dinner at a show, I think That feels all kinds of wrong

[00:16:47] But like, OG cats or like Yeah, Andrew Lloyd Webber cats Oh, because there's a new version of cats That actually the guy who plays Hermes in this is actually coincidentally in Oh, yeah, we don't talk about that though The gay version of cats Really? It won all kinds of Tonys I don't care if it won a Tony Like, it's bad It's like all, it's like drag show-esque It has nothing to do with the story That's not what I hear

[00:17:17] Well, I mean To be fair, I mean, we are talking about cats To be fair cats Well, we already had this conversation Cats is super gay to begin with You can't really take that show and make it more gay No, believe you me, you absolutely can What, is there going to be more rub-tumb-tugger? Come on, I mean, more spandex and tiny, tiny pants? I mean, come on Yes, but with rhinestones That already has rhinestones More rhinestones Oh, that's true As they say in the producers, keep it gay Yeah, no, that does make it more gay

[00:17:47] No, that is true Speaking of cats, I also learned recently Is it true that in the movie they went back in and CGI-ed buttholes? Yes, yes, it's true Why? That is a true fact No Yep, no, that's absolutely true fact They allegedly quote That's why they say There was a joke, I mean, for the longest time That movies now receive patch updates Because there was a joke that, yeah That cats received a patch update to remove the buttholes Wait, so they went to the trouble to add them back in

[00:18:17] And then they were like, nah, this was a waste of money Take them out Oh, see, I heard that they were there and then they took them out See, I had heard that they added them Oh, really? Oh, okay Money was spent on fake cat assholes Yeah, money was spent on buttholes And that seems like it's too much Money and time A lot of time, because there's a lot of cats' asses in them A lot of cat buttholes happened in that movie It's been too long since I've seen it I don't remember if there's buttholes in it

[00:18:47] I have seen that movie It's not good It's not a good movie Anyway, Hades Town I'd apologize to you guys But I did this Hey, diatribes like this brought you Native American heaven I'm just saying Which I'm shocked I didn't make a joke in the last episode, Justin Yeah, right It just never came up You know what I was thinking?

[00:19:15] For my November episode, I can't top anything else Because we did Pokemon is No, you know what we should do This is exactly No, here's what we should do We should all watch it And do like a live reaction podcast Again, with zero context I'm just saying And we can invite your viewers You can watch it with us We can stream it Actually, I wonder Hang on, hang on

[00:19:45] I'll look into this Because it depends on who owns the rights We may be able to do Like a mystery science theater 3000 bid I mean, my Canadian Thanksgiving I'm going to be driving home from VoltCon Oh, yeah We're talking about American Thanksgiving The real Thanksgiving The real Thanksgiving Hey, Canadian Thanksgiving is I can't commit to that It celebrates an unsuccessful attempt To find the Northwest Passage It's not a thing I actually It's really funny

[00:20:15] Because of your media And your television I only really know what the American Thanksgiving is about I just knew that Canadian Thanksgiving is a day I get paid for Yeah, most people don't know that American Thanksgiving was only made a national holiday in the 1940s Really? I actually didn't know that That's really funny Yep, under President Roosevelt Oh It was like I almost lapsed into John F. Kennedy He's like We are going to

[00:20:45] Make a holiday Well, eat dinner anyway and get fat Might as well get paid for it You guys have time and a half, right? Might as well get paid time and a half for it I don't know, some people get holiday pay So they just get paid for it Oh yeah, you have holiday pay, yeah, you get holiday pay It depends It depends on where you work Oh, fair enough Yeah, I get We get national guaranteed holiday pay So I'll be getting paid to drive home to Canada That's because you're all socialists Yeah, no filthy Not so much anymore

[00:21:15] Oh no, what'd I do? What'd you do? Our current leader is a filthy capitalist But for the most part, yeah, you know Is he though? Yeah, our current guy is really like Like really, really remarkably like your current guy Without the circus-ness Harney? Yeah, yeah, yeah A lot of his policies are really, really super duper conservative I actually don't care for him all that much

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[00:22:12] Use the special code at checkout to save 10% Okay Like in the white, because for some reason I've noticed Like when people have their camera off It's like Like on my end I can still see like a square But, but, and with your name on it But on their end I can't see anything It takes it out of the recording Yeah, so So for like the first

[00:22:40] So for those few minutes It sounded like a voice from God or something Just like Really? Oh my God Thanksgiving in Canada is not the real order Don't touch it, don't smoke I was gonna, I was gonna freak out if it didn't turn back on Speaking of Justin, because that reminded me This is how my brain works That reminded me of Mrs. Doubtfire Justin, did you see the video I sent you on TikTok

[00:23:08] Of the guy doing the scene from Taken as Porky Pig? Yes, he's amazing I think Hayley mentioned that Didn't you say that that was Eric Bauza The current voice of like all of the He's basically new Mel Blanc Hayley said, I think she said that she She tried to get him on here once I'd love, I'd love, I'd love to get I'd love to chat with him He's so passionate about voice acting Yeah, it's Eric Bauza He's so good That was too funny It was, he's really funny

[00:23:37] He knows a lot about just the art of voice acting Like, oh yeah, I would love to, I would love to talk with him Well, and how he, how he capped it off with that's all folks I mean, right? Right? Right? I'm a big fan, I'm a big fan of his bugs His bugs and his Daffy is just really, really good My, my favorite bugs who isn't Mel Blanc Is always going to be Billy West Because I love Space Jam But, but like, I unironically love Space Jam

[00:24:06] Um, but yeah, he's a close second Above the OG Mel Blanc You can't disrespect Mel Blanc when it comes to voice acting What's not to love about Space Jam? Any movie that's so unironically weird and awesome Uh, the sequel? Well, okay, but that's First of all First of all, LeBron James I mean, also like I still can't believe that like Bill Farmer voiced All those people, all of them in Space Jam

[00:24:35] Well, let's see, who did he do? He did Falkhorn Leghorn, correct? Falkhorn Leghorn Wait, did he do Falkhorn Leghorn for that movie? I think Sylvester, he said Sylvester No kidding Would he have done, he wouldn't have done Tweety, would he? No No, no, no, no, no That makes sense when you say it That's so interesting, I didn't know that Speaking of funny internet things, there's another one There's a clip where they insert Falkhorn Leghorn into Dragon Ball Z Yes, yes And it's just him yelling at Vegeta

[00:25:04] I say, I say, Vegeta, get your act together Falkhorn Leghorn has become I mean, if you haven't seen Coyote vs. Acme yet And you like the Looney Tunes, you absolutely should That movie's phenomenal But like, after that movie, newfound respect for Foghorn Leghorn I always loved Foghorn Leghorn, but now I'm like He's like top, top five Looney Tunes characters I've always loved Foghorn Leghorn I need to watch it, I haven't gotten around to it yet Oh, you should, it's coming to digital, you should It's really good, like it's really good

[00:25:33] So, she should watch it on streaming as God intended Streaming as God intended But anyway, yes, we should Yeah, we should absolutely, sorry to cut you off Haley But yeah, we should absolutely do the Italian Pocahontas So, Pocahontas Pocahontas Pocahontas Pocahontas It has a Native American heaven in the great white buffalo When No, I'm not making a joke

[00:26:01] That is a thing that exists in that movie After the After the episode recording I literally Went to find it I did what you did Jake I just skimmed through it And I was just like, oh my God, no You tell me it's free on YouTube, I'll be all over it It is free on YouTube Oh, I will be all over it We should absolutely, that's the thing we should do And it's just like It's gotta be funnier with no context But at the same time, it's like

[00:26:31] What context could possibly exist for this Sometimes context doesn't make a thing better I've learned that When I'm standing during clips Sometimes like Jordan There is context It doesn't make it better Doesn't matter how much context I give you Native American heaven Is not There's no amount of context that's gonna make that better I just, I just don't think it will I just don't think it's gonna be better in context And her, her obscenely white blonde haired son I just I just, I just don't think I just don't think

[00:27:02] I mean, first of all John Rolfe was said to have had dark hair If I'm not mistaken And her kid looks like a fucking Mormon Oh, Lord Yup, no, I'm down Let's do it Hadestown Hadestown I really like Reeve Carney I love Reeve Carney Generally When I was listening to him He hit some falsettos in this But, um He's quite frankly The only good part of That Spider-Man musical

[00:27:31] I love Eva Nobazada too As you're to see She's really good I don't like Ken Page as Hades Well, because you've experienced James Woods as Hades You mean Patrick Page? Patrick Page is amazing No, no, no Patrick Page, I love Patrick Page He is amazing Like, just amazing He's just doing entirely too much talk singing And it's just

[00:28:00] Most of it's bad Like, a lot of it's not very good But I really like Reeve Carney Oh, sir, I believe you're talking about melodic exposition Yeah, yeah, no But it's with a booming, like, baritone And it's just Oh, sir, you're talking about melodic exposition Like, you want to come down to Hades town Where things are bad and there's a frown It's stuff like that

[00:28:28] Oh, you mean so like Lin-Manuel Miranda falls Yes, a little bit A little bit, yeah See, I disagree because That's how Anais Mitchell wrote it For him I mean, okay Then I would like to see it Played by a different actor Just to see what it's like It wasn't working for me But like It's my same deal I feel like Hamilton Being portrayed by someone other than Lin-Manuel Miranda

[00:28:59] I think would elevate that musical Tremendously I did have that thought It's funny, yeah, we said that And I did I've had that I've seen a clip of A lot of the original cast has been coming back in spurts But I saw a clip of Christopher Jackson Redoing George Washington recently With the current Hamilton And it's better? I'm not sorry I said what I said I still stand by it even though I lost His

[00:29:29] I mean, Hurricane is the The worst song in that In that pro shot It's bad That's an example of a not exceptionally great pro shot Like you're like, yeah It's like, meh No, overall from a production standpoint I thought it was really well done But again, it's just The weakest link is the quote unquote biggest star And it's like Yeah, definitely And the fact that they had the same actor Played his kid at all ages That was fucking stupid Bad, bad But the guy playing Hermes

[00:29:58] Who is someone really famous I recognized him His face I couldn't put him to anything But the guy playing Hermes Really good He's really good The show is kind of weird Because it's like a play slash concert So like there's several moments where like The characters break the fourth wall Like there's an entire bit like Just under halfway Where Persephone introduces the real life band Who's doing the music on stage for the musical

[00:30:27] And it's really Really jarring And it pulled me out immediately But like if I were doing this Like if I were in the theater watching this It would be a different experience I think But like watching it on a pro shot I'm a little like It's weird how much this is breaking the fourth wall It's a different experience Because I've seen it live Oh you have seen it live Yeah Okay okay Okay fair enough You saw the tour version of it? Yes

[00:30:55] So does it still have when it's on tour A lot of this It's funny Because Did you brought up Hamilton? Because it reminded me of Hamilton In terms of its staging Because so much of it Is on a rotating stage Like there's so many moments Just like in Hamilton Where like the stage moves And the characters walk To obviously simulate the act of walking Or like they'll be singing And then they'll just stop And the stage will move them along Yeah Does that happen in the tour version? Or are they Like obviously Obviously your local theater

[00:31:24] Doesn't have rotating sets I imagine No It doesn't have So does that change the staging of the piece? A little bit A little bit Because instead of like Her Like at the very end When she's going back down to Hades Town Yeah They like Like they have her run Like trying to run to Orpheus Yeah And then like the Extras Like grab her And then like lift her up And then like walk her back

[00:31:54] Interesting Interesting Yeah she was the one Yeah she has a song where She's singing And she's kind of walking along And then she stopped And then the stage moves her back And it's a really cool visual That I'm like I can't imagine they're doing this on tour There's no way It would be really Unless your stage Had a moving Set up like that I I have the same question about Hamilton Like when they do Or I've always been interested to see What the tour version of Hamilton looks like Because so much of that musical

[00:32:22] Is done on a rotating turntable And they would have had to build the theater And set it up specifically to do that That's not something you can take on the road So like I would be interested to see how that show works Without the turntable Cause like Like Shrek I would bring up Shrek This is my one time of the day Where I bring up Shrek But Shrek When they did that show on Broadway The dragon was a huge puppet And then when they took it on tour The big giant puppet Became three women So You know

[00:32:51] The tour version is always inevitably Cheaper Well you gotta move it Yeah you gotta exactly You gotta move it You gotta be able to put it Yeah pack it up Yep You gotta be able to put it in any theater Take it across But some shows are suited to tour Like I saw the Book of Mormon on tour And that wasn't really Much different I really like that musical Yeah so It's coming to Indy next year And I need to see it You should It's really good

[00:33:21] But my recommendation Is And this is my recommendation for anyone Try to be as center as you can Because the Book of Mormon has a big set And the set covers the right and left side of the stage And if we were on the very far right A huge chunk of the stage will be blocked And you won't be able to see a bunch So you wanna be like in the center As much as you possibly can To see everything that's happening in that musical But that musical is good It's a good musical We're We're getting shocked

[00:33:51] And the Neil Diamond Musical Yeah Neil Diamond musical Is that the one that Song Song Blues No Oh no no no no no God damn it I was gonna say Yeah A Beautiful Noise A Beautiful Noise That's right I couldn't remember Yeah we're Oh no it's not coming here Oh no it is coming to Indy It's coming to Louisville too Interesting Mrs. Doubtfire was coming here I really wanna see that I bet that's good When are we Oh sorry

[00:34:20] I was gonna say We're also getting The Wiz And we're getting Legally Blonde Ooh I know that musical's very good With The Wiz or Legally Blonde Legally Blonde I've heard Legally Blonde is good I would like to watch the movie version of The Wiz But I've heard To be fair I was like legit surprised by how much I liked the movie And I'm a personal believer that making a thing into a musical always makes it better So like

[00:34:49] It can only be an improvement right I really I was really genuinely surprised by how much I liked the Legally Blonde movie But also I went How is there a second one? It's definitely one of those movies Continue Well no cause now she is a lawyer in number two And the first one she's just a law student Yes I've seen Legally Blonde multiple times It's great It's a good movie It is I don't understand the point of the show Because Isn't the whole premise of it

[00:35:19] My one criticism of the first movie was like It does treat her a little like she's stupid when she's not What is the point of the show? What does she stand to gain as a character from it? I don't get it Did they Riverdale it or something? Like the show is like her pre-Harvard Yeah so they Riverdale'd it Okay so it's like the rise of how she But she That movie is so bizarre They want her to be like a mean girl kind of character

[00:35:49] And she's just not And in pre-Warren apparently But it's like Didn't we have like pre-Harvard in the first movie? Yeah they also already have that movie It's called Clueless Yeah That reminds me of like The Sex and the City show they made Where it was Carrie and them as teenagers And you're like If this isn't about women Who you are uncomfortable with thinking about having sex What is this the point in? Oh actually okay So God Everyone's learning a lot about

[00:36:18] Yes I've seen the Carrie Diaries And I thought it was actually quite good I loved it It's a decent little show Because it's not about It's Carrie coming into her own As a writer more than anything Yeah And falling in love with the city More so Like this is like before They Like before she met She meets Samantha in the series I think If I'm not mistaken But I think that's the only person I think she meets her in season two I think so Well maybe

[00:36:47] I can't remember It's been a long time since I've seen it It's been a minute yeah See I watched both movies and I hated both of them But mine But that was very much yeah Not for me kind of Oh the movies are the shits The movies are the shits Were awful But like First one's better than the second one Second one's Yeah but the second one is See I I thought the second I thought they were both of relative quality And I was so browbeaten by the first one That when I went to watch the second one I had already experienced all the vitriol I could possibly experience for that franchise The only thing for me was like

[00:37:17] I just Well I don't know Hayley you're my You're one of my only female friends I just don't find the notion of rich white women in the middle of New York City who can afford live in maze to be a relatable experience But Jordan kept going but you're not a woman and I'm like I don't know I just feel like there's no level of not being a woman that would make me go I just don't feel like these women's lives are relatable to literally anybody Well except You know It's white women who live in New York City

[00:37:47] Like to me that was a That was a wine mom friend None of us could work for that I think it's an aspirational appeal You gotta remember the 90s was a very different time Nah that's true I did live through it Friends Remember friends Quote Quote Ram Robertson The 90s sucked See I beg to differ I think the 90s was one of the best decades ever Yeah I know I know I don't I mean The truth the early 2000s was a pretty good time because you can go away with literally anything

[00:38:15] I kind of include them together because in my mind 2005 is 1996 So That's fair Yeah watching movies from that era has taught me anything We got away with so much in 2001 Like just just so just so much we could we could say pretty much anything back then And people just let it happen Have you seen super bad? I have seen super bad I watched freddy got fingered recently Jake I think you know that so Yes You mentioned it Yeah that movie is a

[00:38:45] That's a pretty peak 2003 movie Could not be more 2003 Yep Hey would you watch a Hadestown movie? Sorry I got to wait to cut you off No no you're good We need to we need to get back to Hadestown Yeah Hey Kaylee would you watch a Hadestown movie? Yeah Like a like a full like cinema Like when I was watching Hamilton my my Hamilton because this this contemporarily makes me think of Hamilton a lot It reminds me a lot of Hamilton

[00:39:13] We technically I technically did it with the pro shot was in cinemas No, but I'm talking like an actual like cinematic like West Side Story Oh Like a like a movie like a Steven Spielberg picture Yeah Cause I'm like so much of this is fourth wall breaking I don't know if it would work as as an actual film film

[00:39:34] But I I I I always felt like Hamilton could and that movie was that plays also very fourth wall breaking so like I don't know if this could I that was a thought that I had when I always have when I watch musicals I'm like could would I watch this when I pay $17 to watch this as a full cinematic experience would this work? And I I I wasn't convinced that it would work as a full movie Well, we have a we have a case study because I'm not Haley. I'm not saying the wicked movie was bad But one was

[00:40:04] But Let us compare The stage show And the film The first movie is good the second one's not But the music the stage play is better than both of them That is true. That is true. That is very valid Because because Because because because because because because Because of the wonderful things it does You should not have Wizard of Oz reference The movie You shouldn't say Oh, I agree. That was the biggest mistake ever

[00:40:32] But like I mean a big thing when it comes to movie to stage adaptations is for me does it improve upon and utilize the medium of film in a way that is creative and interesting So like to me the best example of a and it's funny you said you didn't like it but I really like kick kick boom I think that movie that's a three person play and there's a sequence where you've got like a hundred extras to me that's elevating using the medium of film

[00:40:56] But then you've got you've got dear evan hansen which is like one of the worst movies i've ever seen where where you've got you've got this entire all these background extras who are just watching the two actors sing a song and it's not using the medium of film at all So like Yeah, it I think I think the first part of wiki you're right I think maybe if they had condensed it into one part and it was a two hour one two hour two and a half hour movie you're right It probably would have been a better

[00:41:24] Well, because you taking everything doesn't work Well, because you can kind of speed run the back half of it. It doesn't really Absolutely, but instead they injected like another hour of content into it. That's why the second one's so bad Yeah, here's my thing. Here's my thing. See you a you split both parts up into two different movies, but then you didn't you didn't just do that you

[00:41:52] You added fluff to it. Yeah, and fluff to it They fluffed it up As Bruce Willis would say you had a ton of chaffa Fluff that didn't need to be in there for sure. Yeah, you know, that's fluff to wicked And and I like it's I think there's a lot of songs in that first part You could have cut you could have cut cut a lot of cut several songs from the second part stitch it together Somewhere there's an editors cut out there that like stitches these parts together in a way that

[00:42:21] flows a bit better, but yeah, I Release it on DVD as a director's cut like Like like a director's cut would be fucking longer I say cut both of the new added songs Be able to get that sweet sweet. I don't care Best original song nomination. I do not care. I do not care. Anyway, I do not care I do not care Speaking of musicals that probably should well

[00:42:50] I hear it's good but Are you guys aware that they're they're doing the death note musical in English? Yes, I heard that. Well, it's weird because they I they did it. They did a concert version of it Good London, but now they're actually doing a stage play for it. Well, the musical is apparently good. Yeah, no I heard it's good but I mean like even but like even like I saw a preview for the English one and I'm like this seems Good I haven't seen I saw it when it was a concert

[00:43:17] I saw clips of it and I only know like two songs from it and and There's there's the one where it's basically um You've seen death note. It's the bit where light and L are playing tennis. Yeah, they have a duet and the the the the concept album version of it is Jeremy Jordan singing it and it's just I've never heard a version of it. That's better than that. So like Seeing it staged it wasn't working for me, but maybe maybe like a full approach

[00:43:46] I would I don't know that wonderful song protect my balls Protect my balls. Yeah, but no, I'm Japan have heard like there's a there's a spirit. Justin gets that I I get there's a There's supposedly a pro shot the spirited away play that's coming out that I would love to see how on earth You take spirited away and turn it into a play that I don't I don't even wouldn't even begin

[00:44:12] That is that is that is what we call a mistake. I've never I hear it's good though I hear I hear I hear spirited away is good and I disagree I have not seen spirit. I've seen kiki's delivery service. That's Kiki's is better. Kiki's is better than spirited away. I know that's heresy Is it is it I it's funny because me and Jordan have I have this kind of running bit now where we're like, what's the best Miyazaki? Film Jordan still princess Mononoke. I see I maintain it's princess Mononoke

[00:44:41] Jordan makes a heart makes a hard press for house moving castle I Could at least entertain that argument We did a podcast episode on this but like to say spirited away is better than princess Mononoke is just no it's just not but your film illiteracy is showing But like and house moving castle is pretty good. I just think for this is fun. Okay It is it's better Okay left field not necessarily a musical

[00:45:09] but princess Mononoke is a stage play would be hella interesting I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't have conceived of a Miyazaki film as a music as a put I believe there is a stage there's a stage play version of Kiki That's closer to the book Or there's a there's a live action version of it certainly that is closer to the book but like Totoro could totally work as a as a play They could get a big a big puppet Totoro I mean if they if they could be spirited away they can do Totoro

[00:45:37] For sure for sure I also like Ponyo Ponyo is pretty good Ponyo is really good but of course you like Ponyo it's an adaptation of the little mermaid Did you know Ponyo was voiced by Noah Cyrus? No As a kid like when When she was a kid Huh? No It was it was Noah Cyrus I've only seen that movie like once because it really didn't do much for me

[00:46:06] What why am I why am I blinking on Ariel's voice actress Jodi Benson Jodi Benson What's Jodi Benson doing these days? She did a really cool she was at D23 She did a really cool cover of poor unfortunate souls where she sounded just like the original Ursula It was kind of really impressive Oh, I know she is she didn't she said no to me so you know Did she say no to you? She

[00:46:34] Was it was it a hard no or was it a It was I'm busy She busy I mean she's busy I mean she's Jodi Benson I was just gonna say and and Belle I think is she also Belle? No Paige O'Hara is Belle Paige O'Hara is Belle that's true yes yes yes Right right right right right They have different inflections in their voices Susan Egan is Meg and Belle in the original musical Laura Lorcan is Jasmine too The funny thing about Susan Egan this is a random aside but

[00:47:03] Um you guys familiar with Jeff Dunham? Yeah You know the guitar guy from Jeff Dunham? I got really into him for a while there I had I own his first album I got I was that into him but he he had um Susan Egan in one of his music videos Playing playing his a crazy woman who kidnaps him And I I I didn't make the connection It's called somebody save me from this crazy bitch It's actually a good song

[00:47:29] Um but but it ends with her being I'm Susan Egan and then subscribe to Brian Hain or whatever And I didn't even make the connection that it was Meg from Hercules I was like when I book with her I am going to ask her You have to yeah I I wait have you got Meg? No not yet but I'm in talks so What? Well that's great because honestly I I sing I sing movies Well no I sing Hercules praises

[00:47:58] I I I Hercules And not to say like it's not a hated movie But Hercules is an underrated Disney film It is I I think it's underrated but I also like It it it's great But I I understand people's apper I I watched a really good Lindsay Ellis video about it I understand people's apprehension towards it But I'm always gonna love it Because it's a beloved childhood classic Like okay here's here's the thing I under I understand

[00:48:25] Okay, I'm gonna make mythology guy so like there's a lot of but but but but here here's kind of the dirty little and this might just be my perspective but the thing about Greek mythology is there is no canon It's it's about it just like comic books it's about who wrote it Well, and and there's so many other stories that we don't know about because they were for the longest time an oral tradition

[00:48:47] Yeah, like Hades didn't even exist for God I don't even know how long hundreds of years until after the pan the pantheon was founded because before then Poseidon ruled over the underworld you can find older versions of the same stories where it's Poseidon instead of Hades but Yeah, the thing is like Zeus there's a lot of the stories where yeah Zeus fills in the Hades yet

[00:49:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the point being is that it's basically like a stock set of characters that it's open source software is what it really was So it's it's open source storytelling. So Hercules is fine because it's a product of its time using characters from antiquity, but there's the reason Hercules works for me so well and this is a very like Western American bit

[00:49:36] Because like our concept of a hero is not the Greek concept of a hero that's no that's no secret but the the scene that always does it for me is when Hercules willingly gives up his powers to save Meg and then he goes to fight the Titans anyway Yeah, yeah, that's not a that's not Greek style Tory story storytelling and the Greek No, it's not that meant he would have just left her and continued on his way of course. Yeah, but my point being is that the movie works as

[00:50:05] Because that wouldn't work for a modern audience. No, absolutely not And then people would be bitching about that People's idea of Hades as a villain By and large comes from that movie to a degree because yeah, he's in the original myth more of a neutral figure than anything more than anything More than anything. Yeah, he kind of just chills at home. He's kind of a homebody The only only story and full circle back to back to Hadestown

[00:50:30] The only story where he's really kind of actively a villain and even then not really is the Persephone story and no not really because he let go for And it really depends on which version of that so because there's several versions of that story in some he's a Granted this is the minority, but in some he's a fairly noble figure. Yeah, who's you know that That is the minority in some versions. He just kidnaps her But you know In the in the in the your details Yeah, it depends. It depends on who's writing them

[00:51:00] But there's then the urinus he's versus orpheus story Um, in most versions of that myth he He feels compassion and lets her go and that's where the bit of him following the her following behind him comes from You how you can't and he tries to go back another version of the myth and save her again and you can only go to the Um, the underworld once when you're alive. You can't go there twice So he can't go back and save her but yeah

[00:51:27] Like in that version of the story. Hades is not really a villain He's sort of again a neutral figure in a lot of because The greeks obviously didn't see death as a villain. They saw it as a just a As as a lot of people from back then did just a Fact of life Yeah Well and and and my my sort of working theory is that because you find you find that in a lot of ancient cultures

[00:51:51] They're much more accepting of death and my my conspiracy theory is the fact that they probably thought that way because life was fucking terrible Yeah. Oh, yeah for sure. Well, yeah, when you when you look at mythology as as people understanding or interpreting the world around them Um It does it does make a lot of sense. We're like yeah life sucks. So we have to believe that what comes after doesn't Like it's just or at the very least that it's something different because yeah

[00:52:18] I mean the greeks didn't really have a romantic view as far as we can tell of the afterlife you just kind of go there It's it's more important to be remembered after Yeah after after one dies and it's Very true. It's no mystery that the word cynic comes from The greeks I mean yeah Yep. Yep. But yeah, no again

[00:52:44] The a lot of like you can still visit the death that permeates a lot of Greek mythology where you can you can just go there and see the people You wanted to yeah, there's there's Pre-req There's pre-reqs, but yes, that's a that's a thing you can do Uh, but i'm a big fan of hades I james woods hades as much as I don't care for james woods as a person I will never not like james woods hades I mean just props to a guy who tells him it's like no whenever you need this character voice you just call me

[00:53:11] Just call me right up doesn't matter how many kingdom hearts games you need me for I will be there or the series He did the series He did the series I'm 1000% I I 1000% think that he's gonna be in this new kingdom hearts Oh, he is he oh, yeah He made a statement where he was like he was like this is some of some of the best stuff in the franchises in this game And i'm like james wood. There's no way you know that you play hated you have like at most like 20 lines You shut up for one session. You know nothing shut up

[00:53:40] Like but it was funny. It was funny because he did because he's in it justin Yes, yes, he is in it. Yes, he he is in kingdom hearts 4. Yes, he will be in it There's there's a bit in the recent trailer where donald and goofy are and uh Well, I think he's in the most recent trailer. I think if i'm not mistaken I haven't even played kingdom hearts 2 yet I mean you should call it again. Never never been a better friend better time to get into that franchise And also i'll be remiss to to forget to even mention that

[00:54:09] Uh family guy keeps giving him a job. So Ooh piece of candy Ooh piece of candy I mean, I don't know when was when was the last time that family guy gave him I don't know He hasn't been in family guy Hey, wonder brothers wonder brothers throws him a bone every now and then one of my one of my favorite animated movies They did uh crisis on two earths. He plays owl man very well He does he does play all man in that makes a great owl man. I think that was before he got canceled though. This is true It was before he got canceled Yeah, did he keep giving him money?

[00:54:38] Uh, he said undesirable things. I can't remember exactly what they were but they were undesirable repeat them here for us just I don't I don't honestly remember No, no, no, no I believe they were about immigrants though No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no No, if i'm if i'm not mistaken I I say them as though they're your words It says they so as though they were my opinions. Yeah, you know, he He he And i lost like all 300 of my subscribers

[00:55:05] Well, i'm not trying to be offensive but But Oh god That's that jokes for that jokes for justin and I got you After he after he says everything He says he has said some funny things recently So So who james woods or nick fuentes? Yeah, he's yeah Yeah, he said some unintentionally for but to be fair they all have said some really funny. Yeah, wow

[00:55:31] I'm sorry. It's it's been like a month of just sweeping Jake fucking told all of you and now like i've been proven right on like 12 different things It's like I saw someone said this and i've co-opted it but it's people are too comfortable saying things out loud that when I was a kid would have got you punched in the mouth Or not only that just ridiculed openly like tucker carlson thinks math is fake now Does he on ironically?

[00:56:01] Someone saw there was something I said I did this that this because i'm on a podcast. I can't remember but there's there's something someone said about a recently Controversial thing that I couldn't believe they had the gall to say it And I was like wow. Yeah, if I if I if anyone with my skin complexion said that like even five years ago You get punched in the mouth Right or you would certainly get ridiculed Quote it verbatim, but as though you said it as though it was was my opinion

[00:56:30] It was something to do. I think it was something to do with the cornell case Oh, probably Yeah Wow, you guys are just saying it out loud. Just they're just they're just talking right right Just saying things saying things without thinking dear gosh, man dear gosh, like you know the internet's forever, right? They don't yeah here we are. They don't know the internet's forever Oh Oh Oh

[00:56:58] Actually going back to theater the internet is actually for porn Uh the internet that I would totally see that's that's a musical reference everyone that is calm down Hey, what do you think we're gonna do? After this I'm gonna go try to sell some rocks. What are you? I'm gonna finish the second half of hadestown probably I'm not gonna lie Incidentally, that's not my favorite song from avenue queue. It's not even in my top three

[00:57:24] That's a they there that has been dancing on varying degrees of becoming a movie for like years And I don't know how you would do that because part of the appeal of that show is as funny One of my favorite comedians of all time is a comedian called randy felt face He's a puppet and the guy who performs him can't stand that musical because he hates the fact that you can see the puppeteers

[00:57:48] And but i'm like being able to see the puppeteers is such an identity part of that show that I don't know how you would do a movie version of that But i've always ever since I was 17. I have wanted a movie version of avenue queue because i'm a big i'm a big muppets fan Prior prior to the happy time murders. I would have said not possible but after the happy time murders I mean yeah I I I don't I don't know how you do it. Do you do you on the film version of that have it where you see the puppeteers?

[00:58:14] Or do you just do it sesame street traditional muppet style and you only see the muppet characters? I think you have to but just just incidentally my favorite my favorite song from avenue queue is give me your money That one's good. I love purpose. That's one of my favorite purpose I just love the fact that he's out there I mean I I love what would you call that irony of the obvious Yeah, yes, so I mean I love I love so many schadenfreude

[00:58:43] That's that's the reason I know what schadenfreude is Um, everybody's a little bit racist because you learn in life that it's true. Everybody is indeed a little bit racist doesn't matter your skin color Speak for yourself It's a fact of life back to life I've never once said anything moderately objectionable in my private life Cough Cough No that that I saw someone describe avenue queue is like peak millennial

[00:59:12] Like musical It is And it's it's so is it's so that that's funny that you like that musicals that is that's Bobby Lopez That's the guy who did book of Mormon with the with the south park guys They all him and his wife also did tie it back to this show. They also did frozen They did the music for frozen. Yes Yes, they did and I I recognize a little bit of the word play that they're known for In frozen Yeah, frozen it's dialed back, but it's a little bit

[00:59:39] It's a it's a it's less it's less than um Lin-Manuel rant Miranda who just wholesale recycles Beats Legitimately the breakdown for your welcome is you can play the lyrics of Washington on your side over over to on top of it And it matches perfectly like not not even Because Lin-Manuel Miranda is a talentless hack who's tremendously overrated Can I say I can't even fucking sing? No, it's not a hot take. It's demonstrably true

[01:00:07] I didn't completely hate the Moana live-action movie Was I know I had a whole video about it. I didn't totally hate it. There's a lot of It's a lot of it. That's terrible. Don't get me wrong But it's not all bad I'm like it's better. It's better. Okay, I'll put it to this way Maui doesn't at the end of the movie choose to move to an out-of-state college It doesn't it doesn't completely bastardize

[01:00:37] The characters if you like Moana then you will absolutely like the live-action movie It's not like that way my god It's it's better than the virtual virtual high five for that joke. That was good Yeah, no he does not know No, yeah, it's it's better than that. I that's the worst live-action Disney movies always gonna be Lion King That's the worst one but it's better than it's better than Moana really I don't know that the Lion King was worse than Snow White

[01:01:05] I mean nothing is ever going to be is going to be lower in terms of the bar Seth Rogen singing hakuna matata That is a beloved childhood movie of mine that he absolutely Really? You know what? Unapologetically destroys. Yeah, that's fair I'll give you that that is absolutely fair And how the hell you gonna follow Jeremy Irons? I mean he doesn't he seems like And Jeremy irons is still alive I like idris elba

[01:01:33] I really do and I actually don't hate Again broad broad sweeping problem with those movies generally I don't actually hate the characterization of scar in that movie No, but it's but it's the will smith is the genie problem Yeah, because you're following you're following Robin Williams Anytime you're shackled to just doing Jeremy irons in the case or in the case of will smith doing Robin Williams

[01:01:57] That character sucks. But when he's doing hitch and he's and he's it's just hitch but with Aladdin that movies fun Well, no and and the the bit where he gets to do his version of friend like me at the end Right, I'm like oh why didn't we get this? I liked Jafar as a sort of pseudo dark mirror to Aladdin He's exactly the same as like he's a street rat just like Aladdin

[01:02:23] But he used his powers of charisma and being able to worm his way into royalty for evil instead of good When you lean into that stuff and you're not just having them say lines from the original these And and the best the best character in that Moana remake is the dad the the they they have the the dad be a completely different actor and His emotional range is so good. He's the best performance in that movie

[01:02:47] Um, the girl playing moana can't sing but like but but the he's like the stuff that's original When that movie is germane clement just saying lines from the original one it's bad and that's just a sweeping problem It's like if you just let these people adapt this movie with an ounce of crew these movies with like an ounce of creativity We wouldn't we wouldn't be having this conversation Yeah, I mean case in point like as someone who loves both versions of west side story, but

[01:03:14] There's no denying that steven spielberg's is better just Simply by virtue of being newer. I don't I don't like either of those movies What I will say is yes, I I I do agree with you I remember saying if you like this movie. This is a very faithful and expensive Recreation of it I don't like that movie so it expands it to your point it meets the standard of what a film because the the original is essentially

[01:03:41] It's not a pro shot, but it's essentially a pro shot But it's a 1960s musical. They're all like that. They're all I know I know I know I'm not I'm not saying it's bad I'm just saying it is what it is No, so this one this one utilizes the art of filmmaking to expand upon the previous version So you get a lot more dynamic camera movement you get some more characterization you get some more backstories Bernardo has a personality

[01:04:05] Yeah, I we obviously the cinema it looked great. I Jordan watch that I didn't watch it. It looked great, but like I just don't like West Side Story Although it is it is very funny because I I my wife hasn't watched the It's always fun when we get to watch movies that are bilingual Yeah, yeah, that one definitely would be yeah But she she's laughing her ass off at all at most of the Spanish scenes because they're using like colloquial isms that are

[01:04:31] You know she finds that they they they translate but they like without the context but the the bit where It resonates for us the bit where they go on their date and he's he tries to speak Spanish to her and Rachel Zegler It's so frustrating because she's actually good in that movie She's really good. That's why it's what bugs me when people are like Rachel Zegler is bad. I'm like, but but didn't she like win an Oscar for West Side Story? I don't think she won, but I think she got him

[01:04:59] But anyway the her facial expressions when he tries to speak Spanish to her and It's it's a dynamic that is funny for different reasons to both of us And that is that's pretty funny. That's cool though. I look I yeah, that was one of those like experiences like this isn't this isn't for me Ariana the both one But uh Well, did she play Anita? Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah bunch of all

[01:05:29] Ariana the both one she uh Rachel Zegler didn't win but all you know both did and See here and see here's the thing as someone who thinks Rita Morana's performance in the first one was the best performance in that movie Ariana killed it as Anita like She think I've talked about this before. I think my brain is just ever anytime I hear What what song was it tonight? Anytime I hear tonight

[01:05:56] There's a there's a there's a note that that the actor that plays tony has to hit where he goes do good night good night And he has to get like really up there and I was in grade 10 and they made us go watch the the the the the uh product our school's production of it and the poor guy Just couldn't hit that note And every time it was funny And so like I can't take that musical seriously

[01:06:22] Well, they should they they should see that that's a that's the fault of a director. They should drop the range then Right. Yeah, it was none. No one no one in the production can sing it was bad. It was really bad So like anytime anytime I hear that musical my brain always hears him going flat because I have the Well, then they should do what lin-man-moh-maranda does and just turn every song into a rap Yeah, except for the one which he's flat the whole time Oh, then just have linse in tonight tonight tonight tonight

[01:06:51] My favorite clip of lin-man-moh-maranda is there's a montage I shared it with with hayley once of everyone singing the high note from jesus christ superstar and it's a limo Why should I say to you as well? Yeah, it's like the one of the concepts. This is the cruelest thing anyone has ever done to limit one-moh-maranda ever I did think though. Um, it's funny go back to hadestown art carney would be a great or not our carney reeve carney would be a great

[01:07:19] Uh, jesus. That's a funny sentence to say but he would be really great. You're a regular great jesus and jesus christ superstar He hits the fuss fuss falsetto really really well. I honestly think he'd be a great jesus. I And that's why I liked um Wait for me reprise because it was like, um It was when they're walking along the road And it's it's like, uh The wait for me reprise and doubt comes in

[01:07:49] mashup And just him singing like it's amazing. He hits some high notes. I was like wow, that's Like I say, he's the only good thing in that spider-man musical rise above is like the only good song from that musical If you've never heard it, it's basically a u2 song, but it's it's honestly really good And then and then orpheus fucks it up by turning around when you're not supposed to not supposed to and then she's Not supposed to look no he looked

[01:08:16] But that's that's the that's the sad I think in this version It sounds like they cut out the bit and the original myth he turns around because he stops hearing her footsteps I think they get rid of that in this so it's a bit more But like the the the lyrics are sort of confusing because it's it's keeping all of the the um, greek naming and like And like so it's it's like oh when she when she's in hadestown

[01:08:43] Which is supposed to be like a mining town all the seasons are all fucked up because she he's taking her back to hadestown early And that's fucking up the seasons But then the musical implies that no, they're just people and it the them being greek gods is a metaphor It's it's a little it's a little confusing for me. No the season like you you it was right in the first the first time like He he's taking He's taking her back and then everything gets old

[01:09:12] The reason why it's there like the the seasons are people is because like you can't like not do seasons No, but what i'm what i'm saying is the the the the Visual language of the plays that this is all taking place in the like present-day real world and like hades is not literally the god of death He's um, he's a factory owner

[01:09:39] Who's running a mining factory and yeah, town is not literally the underworld. It's it's a it's a it's an underground factory Yeah, but but then how does her going to work in an underground factory or her going to live with him in an underground factory? I mean, it's implied when she comes back she comes back up to the to the this pub this speakeasy or whatever and is partying But how is that affecting the seasons on a magical level because it wants the the lyrics wants you to interpret them as the greek gods

[01:10:06] But yeah, it was it was that entirely new thing Well, I think the thing about persephone is is just her being there Um That's what changes the seasons Like you get what I mean? Well, yeah, because that's how it works in the in the actual greek myth is when she goes to but but in this musical

[01:10:31] She's not being represented as percent like she's being presented as a real like as a person not as a mythological figure Except for in the lyrics which describe her as being a mythological person But the actual visual language of the musical is not presenting her as such and it did for me it was making it confusing I I get that that was just kind of the point. It was flowery language meant to be metaphorical and what have you

[01:10:53] But it was making it confusing for me lady lady of the underground is my favorite song though. I like living it up on top but I love the of the underground just because I I only love it so much because I think it was hilarious that they portrayed her as like some drunk because Because that's all she can do when she's down there is the performance is really fun. Yeah, she's really fun is like a kind of a wild kind of drunk character but um

[01:11:23] Um, i'm not a big swing music guy so like jazz and swing music doesn't I I I like all of um orpheus's songs the the reeve carne because that was more I like how when he sings it transitions to a guitar Uh rock sound and that that to me work works for me. That's a I think that's probably a personal thing. I just like rock music better I felt Seen on a personal personal level with flowers

[01:11:50] For things i'm probably not gonna talk about on this podcast, but flowers i've seen i've been seen by You know that song it resonated with me a lot Fair enough There's a lot of this musical that resonates with people. Uh, so that I I I it wasn't Maybe in the same maybe when I finish like when I get to the end the second half, maybe it will but I appreciate the artistry. It's just not my kind of Yeah, I thought it was good but like the new musically. It's not really my kind

[01:12:20] It's the same reason why I wasn't a huge fan of sinners Yeah, it's kind of frustrating when you're seeing something and you recognize that it's good. It's just so not your deal Yeah, yeah, exactly But like there'd be a point in my life Where and doing this has broadened that Yeah, where I would have been like it's bad and I don't like it But now I have the immaturity to be like no, it's just not It's just not me It's not my thing. It's not my thing

[01:12:44] There's one song I wanted to talk about because it's a it's a song that you know This musical came out in 2019 during trump's first presidency Um, there's a song that was i'm not going to i'm not going to I am going to take credit Hades town exists because of me Um, but Obama gets Hamilton i'm taking Hades town Obama's gay Anais mitch

[01:13:12] Anais mitchell she wrote all these songs way before Hades town Um, and she She wrote the song I'm not even lying Built uh, why do we build the wall? Well, I mean Well, you see hayley we build the wall because So many people were coming Over the wall before there was a wall See and I said if you want to stop them build a wall And

[01:13:38] Technically speaking the concept of building a wall to keep things out is not really an exclusively trump one and um He just made the best one But No Um, and I remember her I remember a nice mitchell saying that saying this in an interview of like Yeah, we I wrote that before he became president and And and then When Hades town In 2019 came out in in 2019

[01:14:06] That happened and And And I mean people's defense the Hades character Is very trump coded He does People Walked out Like After like When that song came out people walked out I can't imagine even if I hated a broadway musical Walking out of it Oh, clearly you've never had springtime for hitler sprung upon you Um Just How expensive broadway tickets are This is This is fair

[01:14:36] Well, they walked out because when that song came came on came up like they literally thought like oh They they they they they made this musical about trump and blah blah blah but it's like no They made this I could do this The truth is The truth is China China has the best wall They made this They made this because Because of myth Myth Mythology

[01:15:07] I mean yeah But I say I apologize He's always trying to make a point I'm just trying to Yeah, you are I'm sorry Yeah, you are I I No, I'm just kidding Like I'm like True Wait, are you saying like trump supporters showed up And went This this is being anti-trump and then they got up and walked out? Is that what you're saying? Yeah Nope Oh, wait Wait, what? Wait, well actually The opposite I I think it was the opposite I think it was the opposite

[01:15:36] Yeah, because But Hades is the bad guy in that musical Because Justin people don't have media literacy anymore Apparently So they're like, you know what? I've spent $200 to watch this very expensive Broadway musical I've massively misinterpreted it Let's waste that money and get up and walk out Yes, Justin, because these are the same people that cry for socialism when they are wealthy I don't understand you Americans It's called irony It's called unintentional irony

[01:16:04] And what's really ironic is there's a line There's a couple lines in that musical Of like, why did we build the wall? My children, my children Why did we build the wall? And then it goes We build the wall to keep us free That's exactly right, Haley I couldn't have said it better myself But I'm going to say it better myself We build the wall To keep out the Mexicans You know, people will just We'll just climb over that wall, right?

[01:16:33] They're going to put the ladder up to the wall And they're going to climb over that wall It's not going to keep them out I'm just saying Sucker punch you Just I'm just saying But I just When you say people walk out hearing that I'm like, but he's the bad guy Yeah It's very obvious And I, I, like It's, I'm I don't know He's the bad guy And what's so funny is Anais Anais Mitchell wrote this musical Before Trump even

[01:17:03] She wrote this in like Early 2000s Yeah, but that requires somebody to think For two seconds Before they jump to a Immediate conclusion Open up a Open up a Wikipedia article And do an ounce of research They have to read Read words On the internet And Read those words Like when people said that they walked out of Book of Mormon When they heard Hasadiga Ibowai That I get That I get I understand that That I get

[01:17:33] That puts me firmer in the seat I'm like I'm like Oh, I'm in Okay, I'm in So Yeah That That one I had to You know Give My own Like little segment too Because I just thought That that was That is fascinating That is like Really Really Controversial To a lot of people And New York Your New York Broadway audience Oh yeah It's New York Yeah Because they're Fucking idiots

[01:18:02] Yeah, but I mean They're a bit more elevated than that Aren't they? Are they? Are they? I guess not The thing I never understood Is when you see these people Like there's this It's one of my favorite TikTokers But it's this TikToker Who like always draws like Photo realistic pictures of people On Broadway shows And I'm always like How How do you afford to do To go to every single one of these shows? Tickets are like Like $200 a ticket How are you affording to go to more than one of these? I don't get it Like Going to my local ones

[01:18:32] It was like Mrs. Doubtfire Was like $60 And I couldn't justify that Although I will say My My My favorite Favorite song of everything Is Road to Hell Like Road to Hell Like It It Introduces It It Introduces The So good It It It It It sets up the vibe for the show Where

[01:19:02] All All the Unlike Unlike a regular play Or a musical All the All the actors and characters And band members Walk out like they're a band Like It It It It It It opens like It's a It's like It's a Like a Like a Concert They walk out And the guy playing Hermes Like slowly adjusts his clothes And like Introduces the characters And yeah I completely agree That It's so Bombastic and dynamic And yeah It absolutely does

[01:19:30] Does introduce them Not even just the characters But like The vibe Like That would be All the audiences cheering It was such a Like not Theater experience Watching Watching what It looked like on the pro shot That That it did interest me Uh So yeah Like uh And also Eurisy And Horpice Starcross Starcross Cross Lovers And then Hades And Um Prosephone

[01:20:00] Failed marriage That is Like Like Not failed marriage But troubled marriage That You know One half Of Of Of Those two Like one half Of that Marriage Drinks To You know Numb What she What she's going through It's also a very Classic example Of a younger woman Dating and marrying A much older man And regretting it Mm-hmm At least that's how That's not how it works In the actual myth But in the play That's kind of what

[01:20:30] They're going for Yeah They're going for like A 50 year old man Marries a 20 year old woman And the 20 year old woman Is like I had options And I'll just say I mean I know That's what the Mythology says Like she ate Four Um Pomegranate seeds But And so So that's why She can go up For half a year But it's like I wouldn't have done that Yeah Well he He He In certain versions Of the story Um

[01:20:59] Let's her It's not a matter of like Some versions It's her taking back Her own agency Or whatever But a lot of versions It's He realizes that Her being stuck there Is making her miserable And he actually Gives a shit So he's like Well you gotta Go see your mom Go hang out With your mom Or whatever Yeah That's not what this is No I hate to interject But I actually have to go I have to go do a live Video Yeah Alright Oh continue Continue going I'm just telling you I gotta Okay yeah I gotta roll

[01:21:28] Right Have fun Rocking and rolling Well hopefully rocking And selling But Yeah Rocking and selling And you're gonna roll The rocks To a sale Done See everybody later Bye I will see you On Friday Jake Yes In person In person It's gonna be crazy It's gonna be a crazy party And then there were And then there were two Two

[01:21:59] Then there were two No I I Was quite surprised By how much I I'm I'm currently enjoying this Like I say After we're done here I intend to go finish it But Yeah I You know me I'm a big fan of State Like well staged Well Crafted The musical theater Which this is I think I think Yeah I think If As much as you are I am like a huge Nerd when it comes to Musical theater I think I'm the only person

[01:22:28] On this network Oh I love Greek mythology Oh I love Greek mythology Oh I love Greek mythology Musical theater generally Oh yeah I love Greek mythology Don't get me wrong But like I I I appreciate a Well made pro shot Which like I I love pro shots Because you can They're different Than You can have a bad pro shot They do exist Um Um This is using Dynamic camera angles

[01:22:57] It's a well made pro shot It's cool that they have As near as I can tell Most of the original Broadway cast Is there Hmm Yes Yeah Actually all of the Original Broadway cast Is it all of the Original Broadway cast Yeah When I wikipedia'd it It looked like there were Some people who weren't Original But Uh Yeah All of them Interesting Like all of the Principal Oh okay Okay Cause yeah This This had kind of An interesting It began as a Two man thing And then it became A concept album And then it became

[01:23:27] A Broadway play So that I thought that was Yeah This had really Quite an interesting History This is a Very interesting Musical That I Thoroughly Enjoyed Happy birthday Hayley Thank you Um Yeah I I Am

[01:24:11] As Well As this comes Out I'm not 28 Yet not 28 yet but i will be in the week after um i almost threw up when i said i'm almost 28 oh wait till you turn 30 okay wow um but yeah with that being said i am off uh just then tell everybody where to find you um well this will probably come out well after it

[01:24:40] but i'm gonna do it anyway every sunday i am on i am on youtube uh spur the spur of the moment podcast every sunday at 11 except for this coming podcast the sunday when we're recording i will be in indianapolis with uh jordan and jake and we will be at voltcon which will i probably have passed by the time this comes out but um hopefully i'll have a video about that on my channel that you can check out yeah um with my button you can come get a button if you're in the indianapolis

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