The Final Frontier Season 1 Episode 13: Shakespeare in Space

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[00:01:26] Welcome to The Final Frontier. I'm Jake, that's Justin, you know who we are. We're your crew. We're your crew. But we have a favor to ask you.

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[00:01:59] Anything to add, Justin?

[00:02:01] No, no, no. Vote. Vote for, you know, any podcast you feel deserves it. Even if they're the scrappy underdog.

[00:02:09] Fuck them. Vote for us.

[00:02:12] Yeah, but the scrappy underdog is me.

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[00:02:31] I love how our friends went to the same place. Oh my god, are we synchronizing?

[00:02:36] Maybe we've achieved a mind meld.

[00:02:56] So, who's ready for some intense Star Trek fun that does not happen in this episode at all?

[00:03:04] So, I'm going to be doing my best to, because I got a real fun moment.

[00:03:08] A lot of my notes are just me solving the mystery.

[00:03:13] What mystery?

[00:03:14] And so, I'm going to do my best to not avoid the mystery.

[00:03:18] But let me tell you, when we get to the point where we start to solve the mystery, I'm at a swing really early on that I'm pretty proud of.

[00:03:26] So, let's just say Scooby and the gang need not have been called.

[00:03:33] I mean, I solved it pretty early.

[00:03:36] There's quite a number of, there was one moment where I started to doubt myself a little bit.

[00:03:41] Because I'm like, am I being red herring?

[00:03:43] So, the thing is, there's a moment later in the episode where it becomes so obvious that you're like, they have to be swerving me.

[00:03:49] They're not.

[00:03:49] Right? They're not. They're absolutely not.

[00:03:51] They're absolutely not swerving you.

[00:03:53] We'll get to it. We'll get to it.

[00:03:54] We'll get to it.

[00:03:54] Because I don't want to give it away because I've got a really funny note for when they, when the episode reveals it.

[00:04:00] Oh, gosh.

[00:04:01] But we are, of course, talking about the conscience of the king.

[00:04:06] This episode takes place between stardates 2817.6 and 2819.8.

[00:04:11] You'll notice, compared to, I believe, last week, this takes place before it.

[00:04:15] We're still in the early production cycle where the episodes that were shot are not necessarily, they're not, the episodes are not being released in the order that they were shot.

[00:04:22] Because we also jump back in time a bit to back to the year 2266.

[00:04:28] Because in the last episode, we were in 2267.

[00:04:31] So this goes back to my head canon of these are transmissions a la galaxy quest.

[00:04:38] The historical documents that just so happened to have been transferred at the wrong, you know, at different intervals.

[00:04:43] The original air date of this episode is December 8th, 1966.

[00:04:47] And this episode was written by Barry Trivers.

[00:04:51] I'm assuming it's Trivers or Trivers.

[00:04:53] And directed by Gerd Oswald.

[00:04:55] Gerd is such a great name.

[00:04:57] I have a note for the very end of this that, what are you doing, Gerd and Barry?

[00:05:03] Gerd and Barry sounds like the worst, the worst duo.

[00:05:06] Gerd and Barry, just Gerd and Barry, what are you doing?

[00:05:09] I mean, is it really worse than Hall and O?

[00:05:10] Actually, yes, it is. It's way worse than Hall and Oates.

[00:05:13] It's way worse than Hall and Oates. Gerd and Barry.

[00:05:15] I don't know.

[00:05:15] It's just...

[00:05:16] It's way worse than Turner and Hooge.

[00:05:18] Right?

[00:05:18] If you're a Supernatural fan, it's even worse than Buckle Lemming.

[00:05:22] Buckle Lemming?

[00:05:22] I'm hoping I got that right, because otherwise that joke is meaningless.

[00:05:25] They're bad writers on Supernatural.

[00:05:27] That's all you need to know.

[00:05:28] Alrighty.

[00:05:29] Just a couple of fun facts about this episode before we get into the plot.

[00:05:33] Oh, speaking of summary, do you have the Paramount Plus description for us?

[00:05:36] Oh, of course.

[00:05:37] As a portent for events to come, I've got three notes on the synopsis this week.

[00:05:43] Number one, this description is worded very strangely.

[00:05:47] It implies almost that the rest of the Enterprise is dead, because he's the only survivor.

[00:05:52] It says he's the only survivor in a troop of actors on the Enterprise.

[00:05:58] What?

[00:06:00] So it says Kirk, one of the only survivors in a group of actors aboard the Enterprise.

[00:06:08] And or in?

[00:06:10] In.

[00:06:11] Among.

[00:06:11] Among.

[00:06:12] Among.

[00:06:13] What?

[00:06:14] That doesn't even.

[00:06:15] I know.

[00:06:16] I know.

[00:06:17] I like that.

[00:06:17] I mean, in retrospect, not really a given a good, a good indicator of what the episode

[00:06:21] is about.

[00:06:23] That's just flat out wrong.

[00:06:25] Right?

[00:06:26] Jake, Jake, you weren't kidding.

[00:06:28] Star Trek loves its Shakespeare.

[00:06:30] This is the beginning.

[00:06:32] And murder in a theater cast feels clear.

[00:06:35] I thought it was, I thought it was like a, and then there were nine, like the murder,

[00:06:38] the theater cast slowly gets knocked off.

[00:06:40] And so that feels a little cliche.

[00:06:42] Remember it's 1966 though.

[00:06:44] So this may be the formation of the cliche.

[00:06:47] Really?

[00:06:48] Isn't, isn't, and then there were none.

[00:06:49] It's probably not.

[00:06:50] It's probably not.

[00:06:51] It's not, and then there were none.

[00:06:52] I'm pretty sure by, I'm pretty sure by 1966, it was already a cliche.

[00:06:56] It, it did a very different image of what was coming.

[00:06:59] Let me tell you, I thought this was like a survival horror.

[00:07:01] Like, like there's the evil alien trying to get there, or there's like a murderer amongst

[00:07:05] the cast, which I guess there technically was, but did not go where I was expecting.

[00:07:10] I will give it that.

[00:07:12] There's a murderer among the cast, but I digress.

[00:07:16] So this episode takes its title from the concluding lines of act two of Hamlet, the plays, the

[00:07:23] thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king is the line.

[00:07:27] And then at the end.

[00:07:28] Yeah.

[00:07:28] And in true Shakespearean fashion, what the fuck does that mean?

[00:07:32] Nobody knows.

[00:07:33] Uh, sorry.

[00:07:34] Say it one more time.

[00:07:35] I'm I had to do, I've done three Shakespeare plays.

[00:07:37] I've gotten pretty good at this.

[00:07:38] So this is the plays, the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king.

[00:07:45] Uh, yeah, no, no, no good.

[00:07:47] I'd have to get the context of it.

[00:07:49] Yeah.

[00:07:49] I imagine you'd have to see the whole play after that point.

[00:07:51] Even then there's still like, it's not as good as Hamlet.

[00:07:54] I've read Hamlet too.

[00:07:57] Hamlet or Hamlet too.

[00:07:59] I'm not.

[00:07:59] Well, I've seen Hamlet too.

[00:08:00] I've seen it.

[00:08:01] I get that reference.

[00:08:02] Hamlet too is delightful.

[00:08:04] I have to say, okay.

[00:08:06] So, so now you have to put in right here.

[00:08:09] Rock me, sexy Jesus.

[00:08:10] I mean, I mean, for those of you who have not seen Hamlet too, it is delightful, but

[00:08:14] I have to sort of frame this for you.

[00:08:16] This is a movie that I don't even remember why I saw it because I remember when I saw

[00:08:21] the trailer.

[00:08:21] Oh, actually it was rock me, sexy Jesus.

[00:08:24] So initially before in the trailer, they get to the tidbit of rock me, sexy Jesus.

[00:08:28] I'm like, this looks like the stupidest movie I've ever heard of in my life.

[00:08:35] And then we get to rock me, sexy Jesus.

[00:08:37] And out of just sheer curiosity, I'm like, I got to try this.

[00:08:41] Cause this seems funny.

[00:08:42] This was in my hardcore atheism phase where I was like, yeah.

[00:08:46] So I was like, I got to see this movie.

[00:08:47] Turns out it's, it's delightful.

[00:08:50] It's a very, very funny movie.

[00:08:54] No, I, I, the reason I've seen that movie, there's a period, uh, from about 2008 to 2012

[00:09:00] where I worked at the movie theater and I watched pretty much everything.

[00:09:04] Like if it was in a movie theater, I watched it.

[00:09:06] And I'm part of doing that job involves walking into the theater.

[00:09:09] And I walked in on raped in the face and I was like, what is this?

[00:09:14] What is this thing?

[00:09:15] And so then I watched it as a result.

[00:09:17] Um, I needed to know how, how, how sad is this though?

[00:09:22] After watching that movie, I'm like, I really want to see this play.

[00:09:26] I would watch it because I want to see these.

[00:09:29] I want to see these musical numbers in context.

[00:09:31] Right.

[00:09:34] It was, yeah, it's genuinely very funny.

[00:09:37] Oh, but it is.

[00:09:37] So, but anyway, so Hamlet two far surpasses Hamlet one.

[00:09:40] That is a hill I will die on.

[00:09:42] Yeah.

[00:09:43] It is quite good.

[00:09:44] It's quite good.

[00:09:44] No, but it's actually, it's actually kind of, it's quite a sweet little movie.

[00:09:47] Like, I'm not going to say it's like Oscar, but, but I mean, it's a little independent

[00:09:52] film.

[00:09:53] That's, that's really, it's, it's, it's the story of a man who is basically through writing

[00:09:58] this play is working through his own issues.

[00:10:00] Yeah.

[00:10:01] And in doing so gets the success that he's so craved and never could before.

[00:10:04] And to me, the good, the good, like the good filmmaking part of the movie is the message

[00:10:09] of the film is when you, you know, put your heart, soul and hard work into your own thing.

[00:10:19] That is when you will find success.

[00:10:21] When you find your own voice, that is when you will find your success.

[00:10:24] Yeah.

[00:10:25] I also like it because it, as someone who has taken Shakespeare with, with friends and my,

[00:10:31] my, my mentor, he, that's how it became, we got to know each other was through manipulating

[00:10:36] Shakespeare to be something different.

[00:10:38] So like I've, I've done, I've did a chicks.

[00:10:40] I did taming of the shrew where it was a boxing story.

[00:10:43] Um, we did, uh, yeah, instead of, instead of pursuing, um, the, the concept of it was

[00:10:48] instead of pursuing Catherine or marriage, it was to be a boxing trainer and I was groom

[00:10:53] me out.

[00:10:54] And then we did King Lear, but King Lear is basically Donald Trump.

[00:10:58] And instead of, instead of him giving away his kingdom, it's him giving away his, uh,

[00:11:03] Caralago corporation.

[00:11:04] Basically Lear Inc is what it was called.

[00:11:06] So it was called Lear Inc.

[00:11:08] That's actually really interesting.

[00:11:09] CEO businessman.

[00:11:10] So I'm, I'm about ready to shit on Shakespeare, but I will make this point.

[00:11:14] So a lot of, I guess what, what, how did you describe it?

[00:11:17] Was it reframing, repurposing Shakespeare?

[00:11:19] Uh, reshaping it.

[00:11:20] It's reshaping.

[00:11:21] Yeah.

[00:11:22] Some, some of my favorite stories are literally just reshaped Shakespeare.

[00:11:27] Yeah.

[00:11:28] Well, Lion King, 10 things I hate about you comes to mind.

[00:11:30] That's just a retelling of Taming of the Shrew.

[00:11:32] Um, uh, the movie, the King is just a non, well, I mean, I don't mean non-dramatic,

[00:11:39] like the movie, the King with Timothy Chalamet is just, it's Henry V.

[00:11:44] That that's, that's what it is.

[00:11:45] And the TV show gargoyles reshapes Shakespeare like mad, but.

[00:11:51] The reason I know Shakespeare is because of gargoyles.

[00:11:53] I won't even know how.

[00:11:54] I know Puck, Oberon, Avalon, Titania, uh, uh, um, Macbeth.

[00:12:00] He was my first introduction to Macbeth.

[00:12:02] Yeah.

[00:12:02] All these characters.

[00:12:04] And then I learned that they were from Shakespeare and I was like, oh, now I'm much more inclined

[00:12:09] as a very young person.

[00:12:10] I'm much more inclined to read Shakespeare because I, I know who Puck is now.

[00:12:16] Now, granted it's in the context of gargoyles, but I mean, still there, there's a, there's

[00:12:20] a, there's a foot in the door there.

[00:12:22] And that's why I think it's, it's, it's very cool.

[00:12:25] So I will, I have a lot of reverence for Shakespeare.

[00:12:27] I don't enjoy it in its literal form.

[00:12:30] Generally speaking with Macbeth's good.

[00:12:33] I think Macbeth is worth seeing.

[00:12:34] Um, for me, the language tends to be incomprehensible.

[00:12:38] That's the main problem.

[00:12:40] It be.

[00:12:40] And then, Hey, that's just due to the fact that it's fucking old, but, um, I have seen,

[00:12:46] however, I have seen a West side story, you know?

[00:12:50] Yeah.

[00:12:50] Yeah.

[00:12:50] It's all about how, how you, how you frame it.

[00:12:53] I think just did a short talk about ghost stories.

[00:12:56] It would, I, as of recording Halloween's about to happen.

[00:12:59] Same, sorry, same sort of thing where it's like, the more you see these things, the more

[00:13:04] you start to like, be able to like, the language.

[00:13:09] Yeah.

[00:13:09] The language becomes boring.

[00:13:10] So it becomes, how do we, how do we make this interesting?

[00:13:12] And so it's like, for me, it's all about staging.

[00:13:14] How are we staging is to make this interesting.

[00:13:16] What's the gimmick?

[00:13:17] What's the, what's the word is so like, there was, there was the, uh, the HBO one, I think

[00:13:23] for, cause I went through obviously a King Lear phase.

[00:13:25] I think it's HBO, but it, that, that one is like, it's a, a dictatorship and Lear is

[00:13:30] basically like more or less Hitler.

[00:13:32] Like that's the concept.

[00:13:33] Like to me, like, Oh, the actual dialogue itself.

[00:13:36] But who cares about that?

[00:13:37] It's Shakespeare is purely kind of visual for me at this point.

[00:13:40] I mean, fair enough.

[00:13:41] I, I think I would be interested.

[00:13:43] I'm to be fair.

[00:13:44] I'm not saying it would work.

[00:13:45] I'm saying it's worth a try.

[00:13:46] Maybe you've take Shakespeare in its literal staging, but change the vernacular to like

[00:13:51] a modern day.

[00:13:52] Yeah.

[00:13:53] So it's kind of the opposite of what they did with the Leonardo DiCaprio, Romeo and

[00:13:56] Juliet, where they took all the ancient dialogue and put it into a modern aesthetic.

[00:14:00] And boy, that makes that play.

[00:14:02] That makes that movie funny when he's talking about his rape.

[00:14:04] It's just a gun.

[00:14:06] Yeah.

[00:14:07] I enjoy that.

[00:14:08] I do enjoy it.

[00:14:09] Kind of enjoy that.

[00:14:10] So I mean, they, they, they had to know that nobody was going to take that movie seriously.

[00:14:15] Like, like, just like for an example, like I, I, if, if you go to my tick tock, you can,

[00:14:19] you can see it in all its majestic glory.

[00:14:22] But like I played poor Tom.

[00:14:24] And part of that was like, I take off, I take off my thing and I put on a garbage bag.

[00:14:28] And like that to me, that kind of stuff, that kind of stuff.

[00:14:31] Yeah.

[00:14:32] There's a really exceptionally that this is a really funny story.

[00:14:35] But when I was doing that play, they promised me I would not pull focus.

[00:14:40] I was like, I like no one talked me out of doing the bit where I take off my clothes and

[00:14:43] I'm just wearing garbage bag.

[00:14:44] Nobody talked me out of it.

[00:14:45] And I'm like, does it pull focus?

[00:14:46] And they all went, no, no, no, no.

[00:14:48] Until I'm what there's a bit where the stage goes black and there's a projected image.

[00:14:53] And we're all standing against it in the back of the stage.

[00:14:56] And I'm lit up like, like the Christmas tree.

[00:14:59] You just see me there and just not wearing a garbage bag in my underpants.

[00:15:03] And I am distractingly pulling focus as Lear is supposed to be doing this really long monologue.

[00:15:09] Yeah.

[00:15:09] So yeah.

[00:15:10] So that having been said to tie it back into the episode, I didn't think their staging of

[00:15:14] Macbeth was exceptionally interesting.

[00:15:16] No, and especially not for the 23rd century.

[00:15:19] But anyway, our story begins with the Enterprise being called to Planet Q by Dr. Thomas Layton,

[00:15:27] a friend of Captain Kirk's to investigate a possible new synthetic food source.

[00:15:33] Just a quick thing.

[00:15:35] The writing of this episode has a lot of problems, more specifically, the fact that they go out of their way in the captain's log to establish this, you know,

[00:15:44] food source only to literally seconds later have Kirk be like, Oh, Tom, why did you lie to me?

[00:15:50] It's like, just say you were called to Planet Q.

[00:15:53] Like, I mean, it's not that big of a deal.

[00:15:55] I did that.

[00:15:57] The introduction of this character that just kind of, I realized disappeared, especially because they're getting to give him quite a weird,

[00:16:05] elaborate makeup, like set up to never have him come back.

[00:16:09] That was very odd.

[00:16:11] Yeah, it just seems, it seems like they put a lot of resources and things that don't matter.

[00:16:16] And then not enough resources, like, you know, the staging of Hamlet or Macbeth.

[00:16:21] Yeah, well, yeah.

[00:16:22] Well, like, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:23] Considering that, okay.

[00:16:26] Initially, I, okay.

[00:16:27] First of all, in terms of the setup for this episode, you're, you're right.

[00:16:30] That having him being tricked onto a planet is an additional, as an addition that doesn't seem necessary.

[00:16:36] Well, especially.

[00:16:37] Don't they have recreation on the Enterprise?

[00:16:38] Just have it where.

[00:16:39] Yeah.

[00:16:40] Yeah.

[00:16:40] Especially.

[00:16:42] Especially when they were tricked into going to the star base in the previous episode.

[00:16:48] Yeah, right.

[00:16:49] My thing is like, okay, as far as this opening scene is concerned.

[00:16:52] Um, the, when they show the guy, I couldn't tell who he was at first.

[00:16:55] I thought he was bones.

[00:16:56] So my, my note started off as bones is really into Macbeth for some reason.

[00:17:00] But I thought that his half of face thing, that was just the lighting of the scene.

[00:17:05] Oh no.

[00:17:06] It's an actual.

[00:17:07] Yeah, I know.

[00:17:08] Then I, so I have a note that just, oh, it wasn't the lighting.

[00:17:10] His face is just fucked up for some reason.

[00:17:13] Um.

[00:17:13] Yeah.

[00:17:13] And they, and they don't go into it.

[00:17:15] There's no.

[00:17:16] Right.

[00:17:17] I mean, I guess, I guess you, I guess you could imply that it happened in the massacre,

[00:17:22] but that also doesn't really make sense based on how it's described to have happened.

[00:17:26] It's your, it's make it's, it's trying to make you think that this guy's a worse guy

[00:17:30] than he actually is to, to, to make you, to, to have him seem more of a, more of a

[00:17:36] bad guy.

[00:17:37] What is what I would guess is probably its purpose.

[00:17:39] Yeah.

[00:17:39] But, but as, as we'll find out very, very soon, it falls flat because it, it doesn't matter.

[00:17:44] The music that's playing though.

[00:17:46] It felt ill, ill fitting.

[00:17:47] It was too upbeat.

[00:17:49] Extremely.

[00:17:50] It was really upbeat for him from Macbeth.

[00:17:51] I'm like, Macbeth is a very serious play.

[00:17:59] Uh.

[00:18:00] In that scene.

[00:18:01] Cause isn't that when he, uh, that's when he kills Duncan.

[00:18:06] Yeah.

[00:18:06] Yeah.

[00:18:06] Yeah.

[00:18:07] So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so particularly for that scene, it's kind of like, this seems

[00:18:11] a little upbeat.

[00:18:12] Really chipper.

[00:18:13] Layton's true motivation, however, is his suspicion that Anton Caridian, the leader of a Shakespearean

[00:18:19] acting troupe currently on the planet performing Macbeth is in fact Kodos the Executioner, former

[00:18:26] governor of earth colony of Tarsus IV.

[00:18:29] So, so fascism still exists in the Star Trek future.

[00:18:32] It's hardcore.

[00:18:34] When they show his picture, I was just like, he looks like a fascist.

[00:18:36] He's got a fascist looking face.

[00:18:38] He's got a fascist face.

[00:18:40] It's just, it looks like he does some fascism.

[00:18:42] Um.

[00:18:43] Just to be clear, just to be clear.

[00:18:44] We're in agreement.

[00:18:45] This is fascism, right?

[00:18:46] What he did was fascism.

[00:18:47] Oh yeah.

[00:18:48] That's, that's hardcore fascism.

[00:18:49] Hardcore fascism.

[00:18:50] Okay.

[00:18:50] Okay, cool.

[00:18:51] I didn't want to come into that.

[00:18:52] I wrote that as a note and I'm like, dear God, please let Jake agree with me.

[00:18:55] I don't need this to descend into a disagreement about whether or not this is fascism.

[00:18:59] Well, so this, I think more accurate cause like, don't get me wrong.

[00:19:03] It's it looks, feels and smells like fascism, but I think a more sort of encompassing definition

[00:19:09] would be totalitarianism period, dictatorial power period.

[00:19:13] Because yes, I mean, communist regimes regimes rounded people up and killed them too.

[00:19:18] Fair enough.

[00:19:19] But, but you, you, I was going to say, you see this in the fascism as well.

[00:19:23] It's, it's, it's a thing.

[00:19:25] I, okay.

[00:19:27] The time, the timeline of this episode, I'm sure we're going to get into doesn't make a lick of sense.

[00:19:32] So like, it just flies in the face.

[00:19:34] Yeah.

[00:19:35] It seems too recently, but also quite a ways away for there to be that level of fascism in, in this universe, based upon my very, to be fair, very limited knowledge about this universe.

[00:19:48] They, they do, they do sorta kind of cover their tracks.

[00:19:52] They could have done a better job, but I get it.

[00:19:54] They're there.

[00:19:55] It's time.

[00:19:56] Some questions about Kirk's age.

[00:19:58] Yeah.

[00:19:59] Yeah.

[00:19:59] The series does too.

[00:20:01] Um, and I have, I have some stuff on that.

[00:20:03] Um, but there's the fun fact.

[00:20:05] So Kodos gives his name to one of the two cycloptic alien squids who repeatedly plagued the Simpsons in their Halloween fantasies.

[00:20:13] The other is Kang who takes his name from another episode day of the does.

[00:20:17] So were you asking me if it was Kang and Kodos from the Simpsons?

[00:20:21] Yeah.

[00:20:21] From the Simpsons.

[00:20:22] Oh, okay.

[00:20:22] I'm sorry.

[00:20:22] Yes, absolutely.

[00:20:23] Those are references to star Trek.

[00:20:24] Oh, okay.

[00:20:25] Okay.

[00:20:26] Yeah.

[00:20:27] Yeah.

[00:20:27] No.

[00:20:28] Cause I just watched like 20 episodes of true house of horror for my show.

[00:20:32] So I'm like, I, I, he said Kodos like five times and I went, Oh my God.

[00:20:37] Is that at this, the Simpsons character a reference to this?

[00:20:39] It is.

[00:20:40] It absolutely is.

[00:20:41] I had to make a note of that.

[00:20:42] Okay.

[00:20:42] Okay.

[00:20:43] Okay.

[00:20:43] So, so, so, so, so I was like, right.

[00:20:45] Yeah.

[00:20:45] Yeah.

[00:20:47] Yeah.

[00:20:48] Yeah.

[00:20:52] Yeah.

[00:20:53] Yeah.

[00:20:53] I got it.

[00:20:54] We're good.

[00:20:55] I, I thought I, when you said right jelly and I thought you were talking about Rigel,

[00:20:59] but I'm assuming in the Simpsons, they refer to it as right.

[00:21:02] No, then what they say, they say, um, Kang and Kodos are from right.

[00:21:05] Right.

[00:21:05] You're for.

[00:21:06] Oh, okay.

[00:21:07] Yeah.

[00:21:08] Yeah.

[00:21:08] That's where they're taking them in the first one.

[00:21:10] Yeah.

[00:21:10] That's a cry.

[00:21:13] Yes, that is.

[00:21:14] That is a tip to the hat to a star.

[00:21:16] Oh, well, isn't it?

[00:21:17] Isn't the design.

[00:21:19] I can't imagine it is, but is there design at all a reference to star Trek?

[00:21:23] Just the names.

[00:21:24] Having not seen them.

[00:21:26] I couldn't tell you.

[00:21:27] I'm probably not.

[00:21:28] I've seen Kang and Kodos.

[00:21:29] No.

[00:21:30] Are you not a Simpsons guy?

[00:21:31] I'm not, not really.

[00:21:32] No.

[00:21:33] See, the thing about the thing about the thing about the Simpsons was I wasn't allowed

[00:21:36] to watch it when I was younger.

[00:21:38] And I just, I just never, I never got, I never just, I just never had it.

[00:21:43] I've seen some episodes.

[00:21:44] I've never really found it.

[00:21:46] But it's funny.

[00:21:47] We have a similar, another thing we have in common.

[00:21:49] We have a similar backstory, but I'm the opposite.

[00:21:51] Um, my aunt, when I was a kid, ironically, um, watched like the, one of the first tree

[00:21:59] house of horror episodes.

[00:22:00] And part of it is the Simpsons turn inside out.

[00:22:03] Like they flip inside out and they do a dance and they just bleed everywhere.

[00:22:06] And so the tree house of horrors episodes are really bloody and like really violent.

[00:22:10] And just not an accurate representation of that show, which is otherwise a fairly milquetoast

[00:22:14] show.

[00:22:15] Um, my aunt saw that and refused to let my cousins watch it.

[00:22:20] She told my mom who also refused to let me watch it.

[00:22:23] So me and Jordan are very much a don't tell me what to do kind of, kind of people.

[00:22:26] So as a result, we watched it despite her.

[00:22:30] Um, so we watched it because we weren't same thing with South Park.

[00:22:33] I see my, my introduction.

[00:22:36] Yeah.

[00:22:36] My introduction to South Park is South Park didn't come around until 1997.

[00:22:39] I was a little bit older, a little bit more rebellious.

[00:22:42] Um, I was explicitly told I could not watch star Trek.

[00:22:46] So I had a friend record some episodes on VHS, but ironically, I didn't really appreciate

[00:22:52] South Park until I was much older.

[00:22:54] Cause I watched the episodes and I'm like, I have a chuckle here or there, but South Park's

[00:22:58] best jokes of any time period are jokes that you don't have to watch it.

[00:23:03] You have to be somewhat, I'm not going to say you have to be like, like genius, but you

[00:23:07] have to be somewhat cultured to get a lot of these references.

[00:23:11] Um, for sure.

[00:23:12] I became a fan of South Park when I was channel surfing one day and it was the episode where

[00:23:17] Cartman gets AIDS.

[00:23:20] And, and I understood, cause I'd seen the movie Philadelphia and when he came in dressed

[00:23:25] with the scarf and the cap, I was like, Oh my God, it's a Philadelphia reference.

[00:23:31] I'm like, this is funny.

[00:23:32] This is hilarious.

[00:23:33] It was the movie.

[00:23:35] Whenever you watch the movie, I liked the movie later in life where I'm like the, the

[00:23:40] line, the line that gets me every time with so many, but the one of the lines that gets

[00:23:44] me every time in terms of like my appreciation for it now is when Sheila Broflovsky says, um,

[00:23:49] deplorable violence is okay.

[00:23:51] So long as nobody says a naughty word, like that is still so there's so many pearl clutchers

[00:23:56] who still get like a bag.

[00:23:59] That joke is still so relevant.

[00:24:00] That movie is still so relevant.

[00:24:01] It makes me laugh to this day.

[00:24:02] And to be, to put this into context.

[00:24:05] So the song blame Canada is hilarious in about 25 different ways.

[00:24:11] It's particularly for an American who was alive in the late nineties, early two thousands,

[00:24:14] because just the indignation that Americans have against certain countries when they do

[00:24:20] or say something that's fairly benign, but isn't like rank and file USA, USA is just so

[00:24:26] hilarious.

[00:24:27] You're talking about a society that for almost a year was like, because France said things

[00:24:35] about America, we were like, it's not French toast anymore.

[00:24:38] It's freedom toast and it's not French fries anymore.

[00:24:42] It's freedom fries.

[00:24:44] So you entertain my Canadian bullshit, but yeah, I, I, I've had so many left leaning, uh,

[00:24:51] tick talkers scream at me, scream at me for being Canadian.

[00:24:54] And so, Oh yeah, I got one.

[00:24:57] I went straight up block me.

[00:24:59] Cause, uh, American American lefties.

[00:25:03] Yeah.

[00:25:04] Yeah.

[00:25:04] I dare had an, I dare have an alternative opinion.

[00:25:08] So she blocked me instantly.

[00:25:09] I mean, I know what you're talking about.

[00:25:11] At least I detained my bullshit, but it's not bull.

[00:25:14] There's very few ideas that I will just outright dismiss because I, most of the time,

[00:25:19] if, if I think an idea is ill formed or not very smart, I may not understand what the

[00:25:27] person is describing.

[00:25:29] Usually Google.

[00:25:30] And they, well, and the thing is I've, I've had conversations with people where I'm literally

[00:25:34] like, I think I get what you're trying to say.

[00:25:37] Try it this way.

[00:25:38] Yeah.

[00:25:39] Yeah.

[00:25:39] And then I'll, and then I'll pick it apart.

[00:25:42] But what you're saying now doesn't make sense, but you've got, you've got the shell of something

[00:25:47] that could make sense.

[00:25:48] If you go to certain things at being like, we not true.

[00:25:54] And then like, okay, let's hop to Google and let's confirm it with like five other people

[00:25:57] just to make sure that that's not true.

[00:25:59] And a lot of times it stops at the first.

[00:26:01] Yeah.

[00:26:02] Usually it's pretty easy to debunk, but, uh, anyway, people, Google is free.

[00:26:07] That's in our new shirt store.

[00:26:10] As often as I say that that's going to be a shirt.

[00:26:13] Google is Google.

[00:26:14] Google is so much faster and easier than going to a library.

[00:26:18] Sorry.

[00:26:18] Let me tell you back in the day, we had to go to a library and read a book.

[00:26:21] But ironically, you can get to Google at the library also for free.

[00:26:24] Yeah.

[00:26:25] You can exactly.

[00:26:26] Google is free people.

[00:26:27] So how about that awful CGI of the enterprise at the beginning of the episode?

[00:26:31] I mean, yes, but also there was a really distracting one.

[00:26:35] That was clearly one of the original ones where it was just a still frame of the, of the

[00:26:38] enterprise moving towards the camera.

[00:26:40] And I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's the original.

[00:26:42] Oh, you mean that was way more distracting to me.

[00:26:46] Oh man.

[00:26:46] I did the fact that they got so close and it wasn't like a quick shot.

[00:26:50] It was a very long sort of tracking shot across the enterprise.

[00:26:54] And it just, it looked horrendous.

[00:26:56] I was like, I'll take my tracking.

[00:26:58] I'll take model footage, please.

[00:27:01] Yeah.

[00:27:01] Right.

[00:27:02] Right.

[00:27:03] I'm easing into it.

[00:27:04] I think I get a little more used to it every week, but it's still.

[00:27:06] I do generally, I do generally, but this, this was a horrendously bad shot.

[00:27:10] Like this, this should not have been.

[00:27:12] There's a note coming up and I'm going to preempt it with this.

[00:27:16] It feels like a lot of time I go for clothes on this show.

[00:27:19] And I feel like, as I say that you probably know what I'm going to be talking about.

[00:27:23] Um, there's a, there's some clothes in this show.

[00:27:27] My God in heaven.

[00:27:30] Okay.

[00:27:31] That's all I had to preempt it.

[00:27:32] There we go.

[00:27:33] That's it.

[00:27:33] That's the preempt.

[00:27:34] Well, you may be asking yourself, why do they call him Kodos the Executioner?

[00:27:39] Kodos had ordered that half the population of 8,000 on Tarsus IV be put to death during

[00:27:45] a food shortage.

[00:27:46] It was later revealed that supply ships were late with the aid and it was believed the

[00:27:52] full population would not survive until they arrived.

[00:27:54] Both Leighton and Kirk were eyewitnesses.

[00:27:57] Kirk insists Kodos is dead, but reconsiders after researching Caridion's background.

[00:28:03] And again, I have to remind myself that this is 1966.

[00:28:07] So this would make sense in storytelling today for sure.

[00:28:10] But even more so in 1966, this gave me real like Hitler escaping to South America.

[00:28:18] Oh, sure.

[00:28:19] Like, and I don't mean that in a bad way because again, like even the fact that they were

[00:28:24] like, they only found a burned body.

[00:28:26] I'm like, Oh, this is, this is a Hitler parallel.

[00:28:28] Like immediately.

[00:28:29] Yeah.

[00:28:29] I mean the fact that my brain immediately went fascism.

[00:28:32] I mean, it went to two places and one of which is not fair because, but like I'm in

[00:28:38] 2024, but man, he's sure Thanos that planet.

[00:28:41] I like immediately I was like, Oh, Thanos.

[00:28:44] But I'm like, so Thanos Kodos.

[00:28:47] Yeah.

[00:28:48] And I like, right.

[00:28:48] Right.

[00:28:49] Right.

[00:28:49] Status Kodos.

[00:28:49] Yeah.

[00:28:50] I guess, I mean, to be fair, everyone wants to kill him as a result.

[00:28:55] So like they're all willing to leap to murder.

[00:28:58] So like they don't like fascism in the star Trek future.

[00:29:01] That's for sure.

[00:29:01] Yeah.

[00:29:02] Even though what's really fine.

[00:29:03] I do find this kind of funny where people make the argument that Starfleet is fascist

[00:29:06] and I'm just kind of like, I mean.

[00:29:09] Okay.

[00:29:10] insofar as it has a military structure yeah i could see i could i could well i could

[00:29:16] i could certainly maybe see an argument for that for that because it definitely is

[00:29:22] got a sort of police state so far anywhere where they kind of show up and impose their will

[00:29:28] but i'm sure maybe as this franchise goes on more nuance is involved in this than uh

[00:29:33] i could i could see an argument for certainly a maybe communist but like

[00:29:40] union like union union does connotate a certain kind like because that's kind of what that

[00:29:45] obviously that's what the union from orville is it's got that union style we're a collective we're a

[00:29:51] group so like i i get more i get more of a confederation vibe out of it what i mean

[00:29:58] federation is will be will be in the name um to me and especially in 2024 so this pertains i think

[00:30:05] the word fascist and fascism gets thrown around a lot without a real proper understanding um there

[00:30:11] are fascists if there are fascistic behaviors that aren't necessarily fascism because fascism is a

[00:30:18] system of government let's if we're getting real nitty-gritty but there can be there can be

[00:30:22] fascistic behaviors you know i think how uh i always fuck this up but i think like they taught

[00:30:28] us in school in my school in canadian school that i believe the political spectrum goes like this way

[00:30:34] it's like if you go all the way to the right that's fascism and then if you go all the way to

[00:30:39] the left that's communism if i i constantly fucked that up and i'm pretty sure i didn't i didn't get

[00:30:44] that wrong i would actually say all the way to the left would be well it again it depends on your

[00:30:49] perspective i don't like the the binary because to me to me i think that fascism and communism are

[00:30:56] much more closely related than say like a representative democracy in terms of left right it's just that

[00:31:03] fascism has so many not so many i'm sorry that fascism has some characteristics that are often

[00:31:10] included with more right-leaning people i.e nationalism for example but yeah there's also a lot of socialism

[00:31:17] in there i mean it's in the name for the nazi party and i know people are going to be like but

[00:31:23] they're not socialists it's like well i mean again socialistic tendencies yeah so social social

[00:31:30] fascistic yeah it's it's it's a mixture best when it is moderate because i i hey look again you know

[00:31:37] you know me i'm a filthy socialist but i i have benefited from some socialist policies so i'm not

[00:31:47] all all free health care so like we are in my country we don't have dental or like i i think now

[00:31:53] we technically have basic dental but we don't have eyewear like i believe anything that affects your

[00:31:57] health like if i wake up tomorrow my glasses are broken my life is screwed so like see i believe that

[00:32:03] that should be covered in my taxes see i i believe i i believe that under the presupposition that you have

[00:32:09] a universal health care system because yeah that seems kind of silly and you're getting into the nitty

[00:32:16] and nitty-gritty argument that this show is not about but here's the thing and this is why this is

[00:32:21] why we're such good friends is because and i'm i'm coming around personally to the idea of universal

[00:32:27] health care i just have some stop gaps that i would care about that being said though is let's let's just

[00:32:32] say that i'm like full-blown ben shapiro-esque like universal health care is evil you and i have the

[00:32:38] ability to have a discussion and at no point am i insulted because you think my ideas are incorrect

[00:32:42] and you're not insulted that i think your ideas are incorrect in fact because we have that

[00:32:47] presupposition of friendship we can actually have a productive discussion you might change my mind

[00:32:53] i might change your mind but like when i tell people that star trek deep space nine is the best

[00:32:57] one they're like you're a fucking idiot picard look you know i i've heard people say that about deep

[00:33:04] space nine i've heard that it is a black sheep in the star trek family see it's it's it's very funny

[00:33:11] that you say that because i mean you don't get me wrong you're you're right like that's that's very

[00:33:15] much uh which i think that sort of went away after star trek discovery if i'm being honest probably

[00:33:21] uh deep space nine is looked upon much more fondly than there was in the past but the one that bothers

[00:33:28] me the most is picard because i don't like it when star as much as i joke and i say i want i want

[00:33:34] quentin tarantino to do rude star wars rude star trek i mean um i don't think cursing belongs in

[00:33:40] star trek i just don't i don't believe it does maybe that's me being a ned flanders but or like

[00:33:46] a fuddy-duddy but i just i just don't i think other friends i feel the same way about star wars i

[00:33:51] don't think cursing belongs in these franchises like i think they're okay being pg and a little and

[00:33:56] a little um a little milk toast to that i only have one thing to say to you that's fucking obi-wan

[00:34:02] i mean okay i'll give you that i'll give you that so there is also once again we have an instance of

[00:34:10] something that was taken out of the script in this case it would have made it make less sense but it

[00:34:14] speaks to kirk's age like you were talking about so there was a scripted line that was cut from the

[00:34:19] episode that establishes that kirk was a midshipman fresh out of the academy when he was stationed on

[00:34:25] tarsus 4 and witnessed the massacre since it happened 20 years before the events of this episode

[00:34:31] that would have indicated that kirk is somewhat older than what is later established in a later

[00:34:37] episode which i believe is in season two the deadly years it should be noted however that while academy

[00:34:43] cadets enter as midshipmen they graduate as instance so kirk if he was a midshipman he would

[00:34:49] not have been a graduate yet because if he had graduated from the academy he would be an officer

[00:34:55] an ensign so he may have been on leave but the thing that doesn't really make sense to me in this

[00:35:01] episode is we find because it's firmly established that kirk is was born in iowa goes to starfleet

[00:35:08] academy which is in san francisco on earth and then out of the blue this episode and actually i take that

[00:35:15] back i think that's later established but we know this about kirk so my first question was why is he on

[00:35:21] a space colony well i just sort of seen random to be fair it was just sort of what a weird coincidence

[00:35:27] is that two people who happen to be on this planet happen to be stationed on the same spaceship at the

[00:35:33] same time right very convenient now here's the thing though since you're talking about lieutenant

[00:35:39] riley who comes into play a little bit later it's established that riley was five years old if they

[00:35:44] were around the same age i could see okay so maybe they were stationed there

[00:35:48] through the academy riley was five years old yeah when when that makes that makes the back half of

[00:35:54] this episode make let make way less sense i must have missed that i agree oh well they don't say it

[00:36:00] in the episode they just do math hoping to meet coridian at a party at leighton's home kirk meets his

[00:36:05] daughter lenore during a walk outside the two find leighton dead well they found leighton dead

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[00:36:47] yeah her dress her dress looks awful it looked like someone cut up a shower curtain

[00:36:51] like it looked bad somebody probably did somebody probably did but i'm like really

[00:36:56] no money in the budget for an actual dress i think we better we have a better understanding as to how

[00:37:02] kirk wound up in that science lab kirk clearly has a type and uh prior to prior to uh finding leighton

[00:37:12] we almost got a weird 1960s kiss which i have to reference the episode that just went up as of

[00:37:17] recording where i love how i made a reference to the weird 1960s kiss and you immediately cut to the

[00:37:22] weird 1960s kiss you knew what i was talking about i knew i knew what was up so and and fun fact i found

[00:37:27] a source uh where i i can get the full episodes footage where before i had to piece it together um so

[00:37:35] that's that's that's why that's why the edits to the episode contents have gotten better and more

[00:37:39] consistent because i'm no longer pulling random footage uh but yes i had so much fun with that

[00:37:44] episode for those who don't know we're talking about the episode that would have been quite some

[00:37:48] time ago for our faithful viewers um do androids dream of killing red shirts yeah i'm so proud of

[00:37:54] that title but when we recorded this one that had just that had just come out so i don't even i don't

[00:37:59] even like blade runner and i was like i was like do androids dream of electric sheep how can i make this

[00:38:05] work no i i loved it but yeah so um also there has been a murder i just didn't know what i have well

[00:38:13] not only that did you see this i thought evil kirk's facial expressions were hilarious did you see the

[00:38:21] goofy ass look on william shatner's face when she walked in the room and he has this like weird

[00:38:26] yes absolutely that's why i say kirk has a type like what is this my favorite my favorite bit

[00:38:31] following was when the next scene after after they find him there's a brunette who he's just not into

[00:38:36] kirk doesn't like brunettes he's all about the blondes i don't know he gets a little handsy with

[00:38:41] uhura later but he's like he's like no thank you he moves into the side actually no that that is in

[00:38:46] fact maybe kirk does have a thing for blondes initially but he's he's totally fine with if

[00:38:51] it's female i'm just saying thus far it's it's all been blondes it's all been blondes with a particular

[00:38:57] look to them they all kind of look similar thus far just just wait till we get to the space lady

[00:39:02] also um you had mentioned that this was earlier in the timeline that made that made something click

[00:39:07] for me because i gotta note that she says where the fuck is sulu not here neither is mr scott

[00:39:12] no sulu also i spot a lot of meat i mean red shirts yeah all living though all lived i know i thought

[00:39:21] we were gonna get at least we'll get that we'll get yeah the episode gets an automatic downgrade when

[00:39:25] sulu's not there yeah exactly instant downgrade could be an a plus episode of sulu's not there

[00:39:31] it's automatically a b plus i look if it's a good one i'm willing to say a but it will never be an a

[00:39:38] plus without sulu that's that he's that extra plus lgbtq a plus i mean he is i was gonna say

[00:39:52] he's the plus he's the plus of the lgbtq plus and that random female crew member that did a double

[00:39:58] take with mug's women yes that is true kirk arranges for the enterprise to ferry the acting

[00:40:03] troop to its next destination the synopsis leaves out some very very key details being that it does

[00:40:11] being that kirk obviously arranged it and is kind of saying it in a way he he did without saying that

[00:40:18] he did literally in a very very odd and strange and kind of weird flirting session where it's like

[00:40:25] he's trying to be coy and failing miserably and everyone knows that he this is his fault and spock

[00:40:33] spock is just obviously like what the fuck is going on and she reappeared with the funny furry outfit yet

[00:40:41] which also was bad i can't remember exactly when that happens but you know what did happen my

[00:40:47] my note literally says hey janice yeah she just walked by i was like oh okay don't like don't

[00:40:53] let her see with with uh what's her face right well actually this episode um is the final filmed

[00:41:01] appearance in production order of grace lee whitney as yeoman janice ran as we established in a prior

[00:41:07] episode whitney had already been notified that she was fired from the series a week before the filming of

[00:41:13] this episode began her brief walk-in scene in which she gives a dirty look to her rival blonde lenore

[00:41:18] caridian uh was her was her yeah was her last scene in star trek before returning 13 years later

[00:41:25] for star trek the motion picture however we will see her once more in an upcoming episode balance of terror

[00:41:32] which was shot before this one but released after also at this point we're still figuring it out

[00:41:38] who the killer is i immediately went she's obviously the killer i'm calling it now

[00:41:43] i suspect that she was the killer but i'm like maybe it is her dad i don't know but it's it's i

[00:41:47] thought i thought maybe it was there was a couple of red earrings but right this is i'm i am i am i i am a

[00:41:55] notorious twist spotter um we talked about when we when we did hayley's birthday episode you did you

[00:42:01] watch once upon a time yeah yeah up to up to a certain up to a certain point because apparently i didn't

[00:42:07] i didn't know this i didn't know this apparently there's a whole is it another series where they're like

[00:42:12] tops in a city or some shit yeah yeah it's uh alice of wonderland or something like that yeah

[00:42:17] but is that a season or a new series it's a spin-off okay it only lasted like one season but

[00:42:23] did you see i wonder i'm gonna get i'm gonna spoil something on once upon a time did you

[00:42:27] did you see it up to the point with peter pan i think that's where i stopped

[00:42:34] you know the twist with peter pan that he's the bad guy that he's captain hoax the good guy

[00:42:40] he's rumpelstiltskin's dad oh no i don't think i got that far oh dang okay well i just spoiled once

[00:42:48] by a time for you i i my friends made me watch it and we were we were watching we're on the point and

[00:42:53] they hadn't really given away any details or any sort of and i just went here pan is rumpelstiltskin's

[00:42:58] dad and my friend just turned about how the fuck did you do that i did that with um with uh

[00:43:04] shutter island i guess the twist with shutter island two minutes into that movie i was like

[00:43:09] it's all in his head and i just get because it was because of how mark ruffalo like handled his gun

[00:43:14] he didn't look like a real cop so i was instantly like it's all in his head um so i'm a real twist

[00:43:18] spotter so i i pride myself on my so when i don't spot a twist when a twist gets me i'm impressed by it

[00:43:23] because i'm a real good i want kind of consequence of watching as much shit as as we watch is at a

[00:43:29] certain point you start to recognize tropes and so for me the reason why i i i guessed i had a

[00:43:36] suspicion it was her it might not be her it might be the dad um the reason why i suspected it might

[00:43:41] be her because the show was really wanted us to be invested in their relationship like i mean yes and

[00:43:49] no really wanted us to be like oh kirk really gives a shit so that when it's a big twist that

[00:43:54] she's the killer later on in the episode you're like oh this is supposed to be a big twist but

[00:43:59] it's not really because it's really obvious it's well because up to what it might not be her we're

[00:44:03] we're literally only what 11 episodes into the original well 12 technically if you count the

[00:44:08] pilot we're 12 episodes into the original series and we already know kirk is a whore

[00:44:13] it's true he is a big whore so i mean we're i i don't really i don't really

[00:44:19] have much vested interest in this relationship because i know that no the show wants you to be

[00:44:26] it's that it's not kind of like i watch a lot of shows and i can tell when a show wants you to feel

[00:44:30] a certain way oh for sure for sure it's not it's not effective that's what makes this episode bad

[00:44:35] also sweaty kirk came back when he's sitting on his captain's chair he was he was glistening

[00:44:39] he was glistening he was i didn't i didn't notice which is sad because i have a very large tv i should

[00:44:44] have noticed um but i also i get a major win in this episode so up to this point it is implied

[00:44:51] that the enterprise has shuttlecraft and can have shuttlecraft when kirk and his little lady friend

[00:44:58] are in the observation deck kirk flat out states that the enterprise has shuttlecraft the flight deck

[00:45:05] down there with the shuttlecraft with the shuttlecraft with the shuttlecraft he says he points to the

[00:45:14] hanger and says and this is where they keep the shuttlecraft so the entire plot of the enemy within

[00:45:21] need not have happened of course not of course it did not happen there was no reason you could

[00:45:26] not send a shuttlecraft down there to get them so it's it's being a starship captain 90 you're sitting

[00:45:32] in a chair and looking contemplative because that's just kind of what kirk makes it look like he's just

[00:45:37] 90 doing this i would actually imagine factor five mr spock well and i actually i actually believe

[00:45:43] that the orville does a pretty good job of demonstrating this because a lot of the day-to-day

[00:45:48] monotony it's like because the orville does a much better job of establishing the concepts of shifts

[00:45:53] and admin and yeah yeah there's a time where he's just he's doing paperwork but see here's what i

[00:45:59] always wondered though so when given that you're in space you don't have you know you don't have a

[00:46:05] day-night cycle so it kind of really doesn't matter does the captain just choose his his or her peak

[00:46:11] operating hours and then that's like that well the orville implies that there's a built-in day-night

[00:46:17] system that they that they follow or certainly there's like a clock that they follow i suppose

[00:46:21] sure maybe but the thing of it is is that the crew of a starship would have to run 24 hours because

[00:46:26] just because you have an arbitrary day night cycle in space that really doesn't matter so that's why

[00:46:32] the orville established a night crew there's a night crew who comes in yeah so here's my question and

[00:46:38] i might be an idiot right now but this is for star any show that takes place in space with a starship of

[00:46:44] this kind right so it's established that the first officer is typically on duty with the captain

[00:46:52] captain so who captains the ship when the captain's off duty and the xo is a nice question

[00:46:59] maybe i mean there is a backup crew that is there like a night shift captain that should totally someone

[00:47:04] should totally make that into a series called night shift well i think i mean they kind of did in lower

[00:47:09] decks but they don't really establish an alternate captain right so i'd be very interested to see this

[00:47:15] because it's not so here's the thing a lot of people might first instinct be like well kirk probably

[00:47:20] is on duty most of the time but here's the thing the human body cannot sustain that certainly not you

[00:47:27] might have you might have some oddities some very rare individuals that can do that like people say

[00:47:32] that elon musk only needs four hours of sleep and like maybe i don't know the guy but that's not

[00:47:37] normal human you know that you get you start to feel sick if you do that to yourself yeah exactly so

[00:47:42] the captain above just about anyone needs to make get adequate sleep right on a consistent basis you

[00:47:50] know the first officer and but everyone in kirk's established chain of command is generally speaking

[00:47:55] on duty at the same time yeah same thing with the oracle everyone seems to be on duty at this

[00:48:00] at the same time yeah so i kind of want to see star trek night shift i mean but maybe maybe they

[00:48:06] maybe the enterprise could just run autopilot at night maybe i don't know i mean maybe but again

[00:48:12] that so like if this show took place on earth or even a space station like it would make sense on deep

[00:48:17] space nine to a certain extent like you'd have a skeleton crew running it at night but generally

[00:48:23] because the captain maybe this is how they do it because the captain could theoretically be woken up

[00:48:27] at any moment and actually one tip of the hat that i really like about star trek the next generation

[00:48:32] as i love the concept of the ready room where the captain need not necessarily be on the bridge but

[00:48:38] technically is on duty so that's a place where he or she can maybe get a little bit of rest like

[00:48:44] you're not really needed we're just charting stars but like you know because i i guarantee you the

[00:48:49] captain the captain might work 12 hour shifts 12 14 hour shifts i could see that um so that being

[00:48:55] said i like the concept of the ready room because it just feels like it's a good thing for the captain to

[00:49:00] have yeah um but yeah so kirk establishes and confirms that the enterprise has shuttlecraft so

[00:49:07] the entire enterprise proved to be stupid maybe stupid yeah i think we've established they're fairly

[00:49:14] dumb oh this episode is another great example of it um but also this is the only episode to depict

[00:49:20] a night time on the enterprise kirk says the conditions of night and day are approximated as closely

[00:49:25] as possible aboard the ship however in both uh the episode is there truth no beauty and requiem

[00:49:34] of methuselah uh in seasons two and three respectively various crew members bid each other good night

[00:49:41] it's also one of only two episodes where we see the observation deck so and this begs the question too

[00:49:46] if you have a 24-hour functioning crew why would you mimic day and night because the people working

[00:49:51] would not want to be working in the dark also true so yeah all all the more all the more

[00:50:00] uh reason for a night crew a skeleton crew i star trek skeleton crew so here's a here's a fun thing you could

[00:50:08] do right and there is and i i think it's called star trek continues it was a fan-funded produced series

[00:50:14] that basically their goal was to fill in the two-year gap of star trek you could do this today and you

[00:50:21] wouldn't need the original cast you could do the final two years of the mission but from the perspective

[00:50:25] of the night crew i would watch it i'd watch i'd watch it i have it where like every episode is just

[00:50:31] like them existing during like a regular star trek event like like a previous episode where it's like

[00:50:37] you can see off in the background the events of another episode happening yeah just like the the night

[00:50:41] shift commander because this person probably would be a lower it'd probably be a commander uh not a

[00:50:48] captain but but you know like the the night shift commander just yawns after a battle with klingons be

[00:50:53] like what the hell happened guess what else hey it's riley yeah i was when they said his name because

[00:51:02] i'm so bad with names i i recognized him and i was like hey man fresh off the back of his bad drug trip

[00:51:08] i'll take you home again kathleen i i said the same thing and i was like you know what i'm glad to see

[00:51:18] lieutenant riley i like lieutenant riley he's not doing doing all right in this episode

[00:51:23] no he gets he gets demoted for no good reason this episode but fun fact in the original draft of

[00:51:29] the script the character whose parents had been murdered by kodos was named lieutenant robert

[00:51:33] dakin or dyken when bruce when bruce hyde the actor who plays lieutenant riley was cast in the

[00:51:38] role the staff realized that the same actor had already played a character named kevin riley in

[00:51:43] the episode the naked time so the character was just renamed accordingly for the sake of consistency

[00:51:48] yeah that makes sense which i which i i like because the casual viewer twin brother steve

[00:51:56] no because so the casual viewer wouldn't have noticed it but us having just recently watched the

[00:52:01] naked time we're like and riley gives a bruce hyde the actor gives a very memorable performance

[00:52:07] so kirk refers to riley as lieutenant in the star service which is another early name for starfleet in

[00:52:15] the early episodes of star trek that we'll probably never hear again probably not uh though lieutenant

[00:52:22] riley is part of the communications and then later the engineering crew his uniform is gold instead of red

[00:52:27] uh uhura and scotty no reason for this difference is ever given i mean oops

[00:52:37] which also doesn't make oops which also doesn't make sense because wasn't riley

[00:52:41] at the navigator station in the naked time next to sulu so this this this gentleman's just bouncing

[00:52:48] around departments he just he just can't pick a major yeah well i mean fair in this episode he got

[00:52:52] bumped down to he got sent down to the well so my my my headcanon reason for this is actually

[00:52:57] explains why he would be wearing gold is because he's in he's on track for an officer command

[00:53:03] promotion and i in in my starfleet i think that any command officer should at least be

[00:53:11] somewhat competent in every area of the ship as kirk has demonstrated to be and as spock has

[00:53:16] demonstrated to be on a few occasions like spock can handle the helm if need be he can run communications

[00:53:22] we've seen him do that spock can i think it's established later that spock can hold his own in

[00:53:27] engineering not as good as scotty but like sufficient to you know and and kirk has been seen at the at the

[00:53:34] the navigation and helm and in engineering so i i would think that riley may have just been on a

[00:53:40] learning rotation to learn all the uh departments basically except for medical medical would be a

[00:53:46] separate for obvious reasons and i mean we're assuming that starfleet officers have basic first

[00:53:52] aid knowledge i assume i do so that's that's that's my makes sense i mean that the previous

[00:54:00] episode sort of establishes that kirk like sees something in himself and him so it makes sense

[00:54:04] that he was like he's like trying to get him as like knowledgeable as he can yeah it would it would

[00:54:09] make sense it would totally make sense but kirk transfers lieutenant kevin riley to engineering

[00:54:13] after learning that he too was a witness to the tarsus four massacre these actions arouse the

[00:54:19] curiosity of first officer spock who after an investigation of his own learns the history of

[00:54:26] the massacre kirk's and riley's connection to it and that seven of the nine eyewitnesses who saw kodos

[00:54:31] order the massacre have died in each case when caridian's troop was somewhere nearby and this is where they all

[00:54:40] start to look all kinds of stupid for different reasons it's like it's like the dots need not be

[00:54:47] connected here and i i just have a note that if if kirk had brought this to his inner circle

[00:54:55] not only would they all have completely understood but they would have helped him and they would have

[00:55:01] been in on it they could have watched each other's backs and once riley's identified yeah

[00:55:06] also spock is in that conversation between him and uh him and bones spock is being a bigger buzz kill

[00:55:13] than buzz killington i mean uh real buzz kill yeah trying to prevent kirk from settling planting his

[00:55:21] flag in that land if you know what i mean oh spock's cock blocking him i wasn't gonna say it i was

[00:55:29] implying it but yes yes he absolutely is trying to do vulcans are known to do that

[00:55:36] um but yeah i just i this is what is in i can tell this episode's early because this is

[00:55:41] one of those episodes where kirk's being a real not idiot what's it what he's being a real prick

[00:55:46] like a real selfish prick considering he's got us he's got a starship full of people and the thing is

[00:55:52] i'm not asking much just let your officer core your inner circle know what's going on so they can help

[00:55:58] you right right i mean he did they do come to him later but why aren't you saying anything he goes

[00:56:03] nuttia nuttia he doesn't have business because here's the thing if he suspects this person all of

[00:56:11] us it kind of feels like our business yeah so if he suspects this person of being a murderer who was

[00:56:16] never positively identified it's it'd be very easy you can record his voice when he's doing the play

[00:56:23] right i mean that's what they eventually eventually does that yeah i'm gonna record your voice you're

[00:56:28] watching him in a play yeah just maybe maybe maybe he needs to say the same words though maybe maybe i

[00:56:37] don't know but anyway riley is poisoned and a phaser set to overload is left in kirk's quarters

[00:56:43] okay i i gotta talk about the phaser in kirk's quarters where he finds it what is the safe

[00:56:50] it's not even in a what is the purpose of this compartment i'll tell you what the purpose of

[00:56:55] this compartment is it's to put an overloading phaser in because my first instinct my first

[00:57:00] instinct was oh maybe it's duct work except when he opens it it's clearly just a box yeah i i yeah i

[00:57:07] don't know i don't know this this compartment exists to put the overloading phaser in this though is this

[00:57:14] the conversation between her and kirk where she refers to his ship as robbing and surging

[00:57:20] i i think i think that's coming up but yes i also uh my thought i didn't write that must not be as

[00:57:27] dirty in the 1960s as it is now oh i believe i believe it is because i didn't write this down

[00:57:32] because i was like there's no way like that's just too my mind's just too dirty apparently not

[00:57:37] was i think was that that was on the observation deck and the ship all this power surging and throbbing

[00:57:46] yet under control are you like that captain i got a boat all this power yeah so that was a little

[00:57:55] bit earlier but to your point especially when they cut to kirk and his look and looking at her

[00:58:00] in his mind i'm like his that's not the oblique that's not the only thing that's what i love in

[00:58:06] the situation not the only thing is throbbing and surging you know what i mean you know what i mean

[00:58:10] yeah at that point my in terms of my trying to figure out who the killer is that she's definitely

[00:58:14] the killer i was pretty sure kirk knew it um he was giving me vibes like there's no way he's this

[00:58:19] dumb like he's playing 3d chess like he this is all part of he's trying to lure her into a trap right

[00:58:24] he's not just thinking with his dong he's totally the narrator being like kirk was very much thinking

[00:58:31] with his dong um i said yeah that has to be the girl unless the resolution is real boring and it ends

[00:58:37] up being kirk was um so back when riley was poisoned he is he's alone in engineering and he's speaking to

[00:58:45] people hanging out in one of the rec rooms and more evidence that spock and uhura are getting jiggy with

[00:58:52] it down low on the down low if you know what i mean because uhura is playing spock's leer yeah

[00:58:58] that was a very strange scene i thought okay i thought for whatever reason during that scene my brain

[00:59:03] went oh is it is it kevin is kevin kevin o'reilly could he be could he be the killer is it a red

[00:59:08] herring and then i immediately realized no that's not true but yeah i got it's time for a quick

[00:59:12] musical interlude which did sound better musical it did sound better this time it did so maybe this

[00:59:20] time it was planned and they got a proper microphone even though it was explained to us how the frame rate

[00:59:24] changed and you know what i believe that but clearly this was better recorded it was but man it was a

[00:59:32] boring song and man did it go on for fucking ever you know what i kind of liked it i'm not gonna lie

[00:59:38] i don't know i was just like at first i was like you know what all right all right and then just kept

[00:59:43] going i'm like let's let's let's move this along people i think what they were trying to do was build

[00:59:49] tension to make you feel like something was coming and then when i did chuckle when somebody just had

[00:59:54] a spray bottle like that's all it was i mean not the weird milk how did you drink the weird milk

[01:00:00] i don't understand why you so so i actually i have so here's the thing i know the answer to this it

[01:00:05] has to be powdered milk oh i mean no i understand what the liquid was i just meant like why did you

[01:00:10] you saw random glass no no no no no just sitting there but how would you how else would you have

[01:00:15] oh the food replicator never mind i was gonna say how else would you keep milk in space

[01:00:20] but yeah the food the food the food replicator yeah either that or powdered milk but i mean

[01:00:24] it was the food replicator did he not like become immediately i might think would have been like

[01:00:30] where did this random glass of milk come from like he just drank the random glass of milk without

[01:00:35] questioning it it's his dinner with his weird gummy things that he was also eating like i guess the

[01:00:41] plastic gummy things the enterprise version of mris like the enterprise oh mres mres well no i mean

[01:00:51] mres are real food it's just dehydrated i don't know what the fuck they look like gushers i don't

[01:00:56] know what the fuck that was but it's play-doh it's play-doh i mean maybe it's it's soylent green

[01:01:01] that's what it is it's soylent green it's people it's people yeah but oh shit riley's dead and there's

[01:01:09] oh no he's not actually dead he's not and then my note is just kirk would be having a much easier

[01:01:13] time of all this if he told his inner circle what was going on literally everyone knows kirk is hiding

[01:01:18] something everyone literally everyone i do like we see a couple of times with mccoy directly and

[01:01:25] indirectly being kirk's conscience again yeah in a role that i now i now have grown to love

[01:01:31] because mccoy has mccoy definitely has the heart spock has the brain and together they make kirk

[01:01:37] still a still kind of a dumb horn dog but a better dumb horn dog kirk confronts caridian with his

[01:01:44] suspicions caridian does not admit to being kodos but argues in defense of kodos's actions and when

[01:01:50] asked to read a transcript of kodos's execution order he does so with barely a glance at the paper

[01:01:55] a computer analysis of his voice results in a near perfect match with kodos but kirk still hesitates

[01:02:02] to accuse caridian um he kind of does admit that he's kodos he kind of yeah yeah well i said i've

[01:02:10] not that he says correlation does not necessarily equal causation but like but in this case but but

[01:02:17] yeah but i got but fair enough fair enough you know but right now it's kind of like you know if you

[01:02:23] stumbled upon adolf hitler in argentina and he was and you were like are you adolf hitler it's like oh

[01:02:29] you know i get that a lot and and sometimes i like to tell them that i am just have some funsies

[01:02:37] you know i'm not saying i am but i but i but i am saying that if i were i definitely had the right

[01:02:44] idea that's what i'm saying it's like it's just i just imagined that like you just seems like you're

[01:02:52] adolf hitler this is this i equate this also to oj simpson you know just being like like getting

[01:02:58] acquitted and then writing a book saying if i did it this is how i would have done it and it's just like

[01:03:04] not just a book also a television special was he behind that though well it was it was it was a

[01:03:11] it was a deal it was going to be both the book was supposed to or the television special was like

[01:03:14] supposed to promote the book and vice versa then they were a package oh i was thinking they put the

[01:03:19] book out and they got nervous i was thinking about the the tv movie they did i was like i don't think

[01:03:24] oj was involved with that oh no no he wrote a book called if i did it and then they had a special

[01:03:28] that they were going to do a special and everyone thought it was in poor taste so they canceled the

[01:03:32] special yeah i kind of yeah i think that a good call on whoever made that yeah that's that's a good

[01:03:40] call he's like he's like oh i'm not i'm not saying i did do it but i probably did do it

[01:03:46] it's just it's like i'm not saying i did do it but if i did do it this is how i would have done it

[01:03:51] i just don't believe in a star trek in air and a future as vans as star trek facial recognition

[01:03:57] would be that hard like you would know what he looks like i mean i mean people do age right but

[01:04:03] i mean today's facial recognition software is superior to what we see but again 1960s they would

[01:04:09] have had no idea you know they would have had no idea whatsoever and plus you wouldn't know that oh

[01:04:14] so here's a fun here's a fun thing to think about dna it would have been easy what 1966 yep so they

[01:04:23] would have had no idea today easy hair follicle compare it with the like people do this when they

[01:04:29] find um artifacts that are thought to belong to adolf hitler in south america they compare them to

[01:04:34] the dna samples that they got from germany way back in 45 because they have those and they also

[01:04:41] they thought they had figured out this was a great tv show by the way sorry for the diversion but i

[01:04:46] mean you'll appreciate this they thought they figured out that jack the ripper was actually hh holmes

[01:04:51] who at a point did go to uh england so they thought that they connected those dots and through dna evidence

[01:04:58] they proved it proved inconclusive um so probably not but they had some compelling evidence i'm not

[01:05:04] gonna lie they had some very compelling evidence but the dna ultimately said not good enough yeah

[01:05:10] because like it's just for me another one of those instances of me being like it just sort of seems

[01:05:17] unbelievable to me that they're relying entirely on facial recognition like people people's memory

[01:05:23] yeah like i'm like if they've got spaceships surely there's better recognition saw or technology than

[01:05:28] that in the future but that but that's a that's a fantastic example of it just hadn't even been

[01:05:33] thought of no like spaceship concept of like spaceship sure because we we already had you know we had

[01:05:39] planes already it was only a matter of time before those planes broke the atmosphere and by this point

[01:05:43] we were already you know we'd already been to space technically you know so well not technically we'd

[01:05:49] been to space there's no technically about it we've been to space yeah so the concept of a giant

[01:05:52] star starship a few hundred years later is not that far gone but we would have had no idea i don't

[01:05:59] did we even have dna i think we knew what dna was but we had no way to like measure it they certainly

[01:06:06] weren't using it forensically at that point yeah yeah using it forensically to like the 90s almost

[01:06:10] i think it first came about in the 80s but yeah widespread use site yeah that's what but but

[01:06:15] widespread use and here's one for you kids when did the human genome project finish was that 2008

[01:06:23] that i don't know i'm gonna look that up real quick because i don't want to sound like an idiot but

[01:06:27] i mean that's that's very new like i remember reading i remember reading in school about the human

[01:06:32] genome project when they were still doing it it hadn't been finished yet and i remember when they did

[01:06:38] finish it uh it was a big deal let's see here certainly a forensic science was not really much

[01:06:43] of a thing in the night okay so 2003 i wasn't that far off so from october 1st 1990 to april 14th 2003

[01:06:52] so yeah yeah so that's that's wild that's a case of wild of um this is just a case of like

[01:07:02] yeah 1960s where we keep getting slapped by the fact that's 1960s you can't criticize something

[01:07:07] they didn't know about it's fun though man it's it's it's fun to at least for me because i like

[01:07:12] one of the reasons i love history so much is i love putting myself in the frame of mind of people

[01:07:16] back then knowing what i know in the 21st century and being like i totally understand how these people

[01:07:23] you know acted this way given what they knew i totally understand so similar uh but also fun fact

[01:07:30] i think this is pretty safe it should be out by now if not sorry max uh genes play a vital role

[01:07:35] in time warpers and it does and it's going to be explored more in future episodes so you should

[01:07:41] totally you should you should get on the bandwagon now because it's it's coming you should check out

[01:07:45] time warpers because i'm assuming at this point you're watching this that the maybe the first

[01:07:51] episode is up maybe more and it's it's it's pretty good he said having not heard the final version yet

[01:07:59] retroactive it will have been very good it will have been very good i assume having not actually

[01:08:04] heard the final version of it only heard a demo version of it and the demo was pretty good but to

[01:08:10] get back to uh our friends on the enterprise riley does not die while recovering in sick bay he

[01:08:16] overhears dr mccoy very carelessly making his log entry in a very loud volume with riley and

[01:08:23] presumably in the next room i thought he did that on purpose at first see i did too i thought it was

[01:08:28] like oh okay that that's a little dubious bones but then he's genuinely surprised when riley's gone

[01:08:33] maybe riley was supposed to be sedated but riley is very much awake and we've seen how quickly

[01:08:37] mccoy's i've got bones did that on purpose and then two notes later oh no he's just that dumb

[01:08:42] no no uh but riley learns that caridian is suspected of being kodos and my only note for that is very

[01:08:49] careless bones right well yeah yeah i just i thought i thought he was doing it on purpose

[01:08:53] and they're like no no oh no no he just he just okay and then that made me think so can they not

[01:08:58] like type out the log does it have to be said out loud like i think they may actually need to do that

[01:09:04] for uh verification that it is actually mccoy okay like his waited till later you know what i get the

[01:09:12] sense that these logs are actually very very important and i'm willing to bet that you will catch some

[01:09:18] major flack as a starfleet officer if you don't do your logs um that being said though i kind of got

[01:09:25] the vibe that he was doing it on purpose too because bones seems to indicate on what it's weird bones is

[01:09:30] very inconsistent in this episode on the one hand he's acting like perk can't really prosecute

[01:09:36] caridian unless he's absolutely sure which i mean that's true you can't but all all signs point to yes

[01:09:41] in this case but then he also was like riley deserves to know you know that kind of shit exactly

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[01:10:39] destiny riley immediately heads for the ship's theater where the troop is currently performing hamlet

[01:10:49] and goes backstage looking hamlet yeah very boring looking ham and i love how they're like where's riley

[01:10:54] it's like well if you think he overheard you where's kodos right now i wonder where he might be

[01:11:02] she she says that they're touring are trying to trying to teach people about classic theater

[01:11:08] and just my real quick response to that is the theater guy is to say there is more classic theater

[01:11:13] than just shakespeare so okay this this might be a hot take and i'm not so much making the assertion

[01:11:19] as asking your opinion on it um given star trek's obsession with shakespeare because it's definitely a

[01:11:27] thing do you think that points to maybe a lack of culture on gene roddenberry's part kind of because

[01:11:34] yeah like i mean there's there's like i i big part of when i was when i was studying theater was

[01:11:40] um tennessee williams uh i love his stuff like that that old like mid mid-american style of playwright

[01:11:50] like your pride and prejudice or your um pretty sure that i'm pretty sure this is also tennessee

[01:11:55] williams but oh my god what is it called a streetcar named desire yeah i did a project where

[01:12:01] i did auto de fe like like to me to me it's it's a much more wide array of plays that aren't just

[01:12:07] musicals but are plays like that are good that are more than just shakes or had a gabler i did we did

[01:12:13] had a gabler which is ipson um like there's a lot of playwrights not just shakespeare like yeah there's

[01:12:20] quite an extensive list there does seem to be a lot of uh a lot of shakespeare but anyway but also

[01:12:25] their theater company i was just gonna say their theater company exists purely just to murder

[01:12:29] witnesses so like you know well no fun fact the actor that actually plays kodos has his own shakespeare

[01:12:35] company oh so that explains why so much of this episode is just him doing lines from shakespeare

[01:12:40] i mean probably yeah i was like oh okay yeah that's that's very apropos but phaser in hand riley goes to

[01:12:47] the ship's theater to exact revenge for the death of his family kirk finds him before he can act

[01:12:52] and persuades him to surrender the weapon i actually this is one of the few really good scenes

[01:12:57] now riley riley riley riley comes off a little more paranoid than angry but i mean well he's almost

[01:13:06] like i have to do this like yeah yeah so maybe i was gonna say maybe may this is one of the times

[01:13:12] where i'm like maybe i'm reading this wrong the actor clearly has an intention but also once you say

[01:13:18] he was five years old when it happens it makes this sequence not make any sense because who

[01:13:22] remembers what happens when they're five i certainly don't not i'm pretty like i'm pretty sure if you

[01:13:27] watched your parents die when you were five you'd remember that i suppose that's true yeah i mean

[01:13:32] gamora gamora gamora clearly remembers it and she was about five fair enough no you know what i have not

[01:13:39] i do not suffer true trauma as a child i i probably do not know i have some hazy memories of being five but

[01:13:46] i would i would imagine that if you had that striking yeah okay you know what for criticism i think i think

[01:13:52] i think you'd remember it or you would bury it but clearly clearly riley remembers it so

[01:13:57] it seems extremely careless given what's going on to let this play happen right it seems i thought it

[01:14:05] was kirk kirk was was allowing them because he was trying to get them to like trying to bait them into

[01:14:10] revealing themselves maybe that was why but it does seem odd yeah but he has the conversation

[01:14:15] the confrontation with kudos beforehand or coridian i guess because he hasn't been proven to be kudos yet

[01:14:22] coridian though overhearing is disturbed and lenore tries to reassure him by revealing that she has

[01:14:27] been killing the witnesses to his crimes so how has he not put this together i have i had one final note

[01:14:35] of it's definitely her she's the killer and then uh the note which is obviously hey jake uh you better

[01:14:40] pick up that phone because i fucking called it um i was pretty proud of myself for guessing

[01:14:46] spotting that that's so early and yeah she's crazy cuckoo for coco puffs oh she is yeah but my thing is

[01:14:55] by this point how did so how did kudos not realize what was going on because it's been established

[01:15:01] that seven of the nine survivors they're still alive are all dead and their deaths coincide to his

[01:15:09] theater his shakespeare troop being there it's like convenient all he has to do is be like well i didn't

[01:15:21] kill them and my daughter's the only one who knows oh yeah but he's not gonna he's not gonna throw her

[01:15:26] under the bus i guess but it's like stop touring right even if even if he doesn't think they're like

[01:15:33] man that's some bad luck or it may i mean he must just be like man that's convenient no i i honestly

[01:15:38] good old kudos i got the vibe that he was kind of like a don't ask don't tell sort of thing like he

[01:15:44] probably figured it was his daughter oh yeah i mean it benefits him for these people to die so why

[01:15:49] would he question it kirk overhears the conversation and moves in to arrest them both lenore snatches a phaser

[01:15:55] from a security guard and aims it at kirk caridian jumps into the line of fire is hit and dies and my

[01:16:02] first thought was that's not how phasers work at least not yet i mean i i my first thought was oh

[01:16:08] shit is she about to kill a red shirt she didn't disappointingly um i don't think there were any

[01:16:13] red shirts in the in the line of fire no one she was there was like the red shirt who uh she i thought

[01:16:18] she pulled the gun from that's who she pulled the gun from oh you know what you're right yeah i know

[01:16:22] maybe and then uh yeah it's always the crazy ones am i right kirk you know he's like in the back of

[01:16:29] his mind he was like damn i know right did you maybe think of i mean you went you and uh you and

[01:16:34] virus constantly refer to how i met your mother but it made me think of that crazy hot scale

[01:16:39] yeah it's like is she where is she on the crazy hot scale yeah she's too far though she's too far for

[01:16:44] crazy hot she's too crazy yeah but if she gets implants

[01:16:50] she's done that's the example that barney gives for those who haven't seen the show lenore goes

[01:16:55] insane and begs her father to wake up a continuous performance later on the bridge mccoy reports on

[01:17:02] her psychiatric condition she believes her father is still alive and giving performances to cheering

[01:17:07] crowds uh yeah so she didn't like that so she'd be she got a lot bottomized yeah she'd be crazy dog

[01:17:13] yeah she sounded like she's basically like oh yeah she's she went off to live on the funny farm she's

[01:17:18] gonna be she's gonna be okay i mean bones kind of does without saying it directly kind of it's like

[01:17:24] she's gonna get the care she needs i'm like it's 1966 she's not gonna get the care she's not gonna get

[01:17:29] the care she needs no she's gonna be putting it she's gonna be putting a mental hospital where

[01:17:34] she's gonna be treated like shit i've seen the changeling i know what happened to women back then

[01:17:39] it wasn't good i'm i'm saying it because i i break up i break up bad things with levity and humor

[01:17:44] but bad stuff happened to poor women in those places you know what's an interesting concept to me um

[01:17:50] it's just very far aside i sort of had a i'm not going to go into the why because it's too long

[01:17:57] of a story but last year i kind of had like a minor not an obsession because i had read it seen it

[01:18:03] before but i had kind of a mild obsession about reacquainting myself with a christmas carol

[01:18:08] and oh yeah so i i it's one of those things where i knew they existed but i guess i never really put

[01:18:14] it together in my mind the concept of a debtor's prison oh yeah well i mean the thing that that

[01:18:20] that the one that interests me was in the jim carrey one where he has a line about like like sundays

[01:18:27] and i was like oh yeah i guess different times back then there's this dialogue that like doesn't

[01:18:32] usually make it yeah no yeah but i never had her i'm guessing that's where they sent people who owe

[01:18:37] too much money which seems redundant because then you're never going to get your money back

[01:18:41] well i i think the thing is that when you're in the debtor's prison it's my understanding that you

[01:18:46] would oftentimes be sort of sold out for labor but you don't keep that money that goes to your uh

[01:18:52] debtor um but yeah just like slavery with extra steps well i i mean i mean yes yes okay but before

[01:19:01] i say something incorrect yes but to be fair they do owe people money and bankruptcy didn't exist yet

[01:19:08] so i'm not saying it was right i'm just saying i can follow the logic of those people at the time

[01:19:14] living in the horrible conditions uh that most people did i can i can understand why if you loan

[01:19:20] somebody money in you know the early 1800s that you would want to recoup that somehow yeah yeah hey

[01:19:28] look they credit credit the rules credit scores didn't exist yet just another fun fact for the

[01:19:34] end of the show in the star trek enterprise episode in a mirror darkly part two which aired in 2005 the

[01:19:40] future biographical information displayed for hoshi sato states that she was one of the 4 000 people

[01:19:46] killed by kodos on the tarsus 4 colony now it says it should be noted that the creator uh never intended

[01:19:53] for the data to be readable on the screen and on his website he says that the biographical information

[01:19:58] could be taken with a grain of salt because this episode does occur in the mirror universe which i

[01:20:04] love i love that when star trek connects dots from the past it's it's fun it's fun stuff our red shirt

[01:20:11] tally remains it too sure she was gonna get a red shirt i was so did i thought she was gonna be like

[01:20:15] bam red shirt i'm out of here so disappointed what she did also her big like all of her big speeches she

[01:20:21] makes at the end are all just quotes from shakespeare which also as i'm thinking about it now do you think

[01:20:27] like part of her mind like she saw herself as being in this shakespearean tragedy so she she ultimately

[01:20:32] was gonna kill the dad anyway i mean it certainly works out that way i mean is that parallel intentional

[01:20:41] like i think it is i think from from the writer's perspective i think it is i think this is very

[01:20:47] much meant to mimic a shakespearean tragedy um which it doesn't at least not effectively i was gonna say

[01:20:53] i mean it kind of does in so far as like a lot of people die but yeah but he arguably deserved it

[01:20:59] at the end even though he tries to make the case that he does it also how did he die i just he was

[01:21:06] dead like i just i missed how did he die phaser to the chest did he like jump in the way of yeah

[01:21:13] kirk getting great yeah he jumps jumps in the way of kirk being phaser he's all like don't kill kirk

[01:21:19] the seven other guys were fine but he's the one don't get him well he's presumably character

[01:21:25] he presumably didn't know but i mean come on so did kirk know that she was because that that was my

[01:21:31] thing the entire time i thought kirk knew and that he was just setting her up to like give herself away

[01:21:36] but it's but by the end of it i was like no i don't think he knew i don't think he was thinking

[01:21:40] with his dong the whole time he was he was ready to lay some pipe he was kirk was ready to be a

[01:21:46] plumber you know he got his he got his start in the plumbing industry oh yeah so how old is kirk

[01:21:52] did we talk about how old is kirk supposed to be so how old is he now hang on because i thought it

[01:21:57] said that but i would have guessed a man in his 30s but he is he is years ago he is in his 30s it's

[01:22:03] okay so we can so he would be 35 so then how old would he have been 20 years ago that's 15 like 15

[01:22:11] yeah yeah you can enroll in the academy that young and you that young okay they they established they

[01:22:16] yeah he was a kid when he saw this happen okay okay okay okay all right okay okay all right

[01:22:28] any closing thoughts on the conscience of the king

[01:22:30] there was no king and there was no conscious

[01:22:34] i mean technically technically i think the guy was the king but he wasn't he wasn't a king

[01:22:41] no he was a false kid which is why he died because we all know the one true king is the one who

[01:22:48] will live i think your enjoyment of this episode is going to be solely based on how much you like

[01:22:53] watching kirk flirt with women and those are always like the least interesting bits to me so like as

[01:22:59] funny as they are they're always the least interesting bits with the exception of andrea

[01:23:04] oh there's a there's a brunette for you there's a brunette yeah but we we also established we also

[01:23:11] established that she was a robot that could not say no so true her her her relationship to consent was

[01:23:18] confusing but you can watch that episode now it's out right now it's it's on here right now it might

[01:23:23] even it might even be over here on your on your youtube screen right over there certainly the

[01:23:30] little gray thing that pops up in the corner sometimes that might that might happen sometimes

[01:23:34] it might be it might be right there or there or there you know you never know also um i i think at

[01:23:42] the end of the last episode i made a hard cut to me saying i'm wrong i was wrong about i don't i

[01:23:47] remember what my prediction was for this but i feel like i was very wrong you were so wrong but i knew

[01:23:52] you were going to be wrong all righty well that was the conscience of the king um please don't

[01:23:57] stop watching star trek i promise they're not all that bad in fact very few are that bad case in

[01:24:02] point next week's episode is one of the most beloved episodes of star trek period much less the original

[01:24:08] series join us next week on the final frontier when we watch and go over the episode balance of terror

[01:24:16] justin would you like to uh give a whirl as to what this episode is about balance of terror

[01:24:22] so i feel like this is going to be like a high tense situation where kirk and and maybe maybe like

[01:24:29] spock or or one of the maybe one of the ladies it's usually one ladies they're trapped on a thing

[01:24:34] like on a thing that's balancing on the edge and if they move too much it's gonna fall and they're

[01:24:39] gonna fall to their depths wow you started out quite close and then just progressively jumped off

[01:24:45] the cliff of it got worse and worse and it went on excellent kind of like virus's description of

[01:24:52] goku being a bad father it's like it starts out fairly solid um but eventually just falls off

[01:24:58] that tells me how wrong i am but no am i more wrong than i was last week you didn't start out you started

[01:25:06] out quite close oh i like close okay okay we'll see you started you started out very close but it's it's a

[01:25:13] fantastic episode it's one of the best and we will see everyone next week on the final frontier

[01:25:19] until then prosper until then live long and prosper question mark is that like a vulcan gang sign did

[01:25:31] this start out as a vulcan gang sign like so funny i used to so many people can't do that it's so weird

[01:25:41] even fewer people yeah when i was a kid i i had friends who couldn't do that

[01:25:50] in this in this massive war not one person would be like hey you guys you look the same i like the

[01:25:56] fact that in the captain's log though kirk mentions that they've been you know basically waiting on high

[01:26:01] alert and tense for over nine hours i was gonna say i was really sad

[01:26:08] was it also sure was he