The Final Frontier Season 1 Episode 16: Five Came Back

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[00:01:42] Set phasers to fun. That catchphrase is never getting old anytime soon.

[00:01:46] Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew.

[00:01:49] Actually this episode is not really all that fun. It's kind of dark.

[00:01:55] So we're gonna try to set our phasers to fun, but they probably should have been set to kill within the first 10 minutes and it would have turned out very differently with much fewer casualties.

[00:02:06] But we are talking about the episode, the Galileo 7. This episode takes place between start dates 2821.5 and 2823.8.

[00:02:15] The in-universe date is the year 2267 and the original air date is January 5th, 1967. Our first episode of the year 1967.

[00:02:24] This is a new year's episode. So I got the note on that Paramount Plus description, which is that this sounds like a Spock focused episode and I will never be upset about that.

[00:02:38] Everyone else is, but...

[00:02:39] And also I think, I think last time I predicted that this was going to be like an Ocean's 11 style caper. It was not that.

[00:02:48] No. And I want to clarify my comments about everybody else's, everybody else in the episode. The audience was thrilled that we got a Spock centered episode.

[00:02:56] I'm sure they were. Those Nielsen ratings are probably great. Do they still do Nielsen ratings?

[00:03:01] They do, believe it or not. Oh my gosh. I think it was a couple years ago.

[00:03:05] I got a thing in the mail from Nielsen and it said, take this survey and we'll send you $20. I was like, come on.

[00:03:12] No, I don't think we have Nielsen ratings in Canada, but it's a thing I know because I, well, I know there's an episode of Family Guy where, where Peter controls television by getting a bunch of Nielsen boxes, but it's always just like many things in my life. I know it from TV.

[00:03:27] Yeah. So, but here's the thing. I fill out the survey. They sent me $20 cash in the mail.

[00:03:31] No. No. Do you get a little box? No, no, it wasn't. It wasn't to become a Nielsen family. It was just a questionnaire. Probably. It's something they probably did to decide who to send boxes out to.

[00:03:44] It's kind of like, okay, here's the thing. For those of you who don't know the way traditionally now it's easy with streaming. It's easy to see who's watching what back in the day. It was kind of impossible and challenging.

[00:03:58] Well, the thing about Nielsen is it's never been really accurate because they, I mean, they do their best.

[00:04:06] It's one of the metrics they use to measure viewership. Only one.

[00:04:09] They, they did their best though. I, it's like you can't track every, back then you couldn't track every television set. So it's like, you're saying if you were a Nielsen family, your TV, you had a little box. It was hooked up to your television antenna and it would let them know what you watched. And they did that with, what is it? 10,000 homes. It wasn't a very big number.

[00:04:35] I don't have to know the number. I don't know that it was influential enough that I know about it culturally.

[00:04:41] Yeah. But here's the thing though. So it was comparatively to the population. It was a very small number. So if your show just so happened to have a strong viewership with the Nielsen ratings, it gave the illusion that it was a really popular show when it may in fact not have been.

[00:04:55] However, Nielsen really did try to have a really diverse, you know, nationwide group. So their logic was if I, for some reason, the number 10,000 sticking out in my mind, I don't know if that's accurate, but let's just say for this example, if 5,000 of the 10,000 homes are watching a show stands to reason to be pretty popular.

[00:05:16] That's pretty good. But it feels like there's a, there's certainly a wide margin for error to be like, well, what if like only 10 people watch this?

[00:05:25] Yeah. And that's, yeah. And that's, that, that would be an abysmal Nielsen rating by the way. But, and then the other thing I'm sure, I don't know this, I might be wrong, but I'm sure that in the early days of Nielsen, probably all white families.

[00:05:38] If I had to guess.

[00:05:40] Not knowing what year this, this project or the system was implemented, I would, I would hazard a guess as to, yeah, you're probably right.

[00:05:48] Usually these, usually these things have a racial bend. It's America. It wouldn't surprise me.

[00:05:55] So actually we're going to, so Nielsen media research group is an American firm that measures media audiences, including television, radio, theater, and films.

[00:06:03] Theater as well.

[00:06:04] Really? What have been Nielsen ratings this week?

[00:06:06] They figure the, via the AMC theaters map program and newspapers.

[00:06:12] Oh, okay. So the Nielsen, so the Nielsen TV ratings, audience, audience measurement system operating in the Nielsen media group, audience size, television program, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:06:22] Nielsen lost accreditation by the media rights council in 2022 due to inaccurate data reporting during the COVID-19 pandemic, but regained it in April, 2023.

[00:06:31] Oh.

[00:06:32] So, so it started in the 1920s. In 1950, Nielsen moved to television. Apparently in September 2020, Nielsen began compiling weekly top 10 list of most watched shows on streaming platforms.

[00:06:43] So Nielsen is measuring streaming platforms now as well.

[00:06:48] Interesting.

[00:06:49] Okay, here it goes. So because ratings are based on samples, it is possible for shows to get a zero rating despite having an audience.

[00:06:56] So yeah, Nielsen ratings probably are more accurate now, but when they weren't, when they, when they weren't, you know, calculating streaming, because this is what they're talking about.

[00:07:06] So basically it's, it's probably not outdated anymore because it's taking into account streaming, but a middle period where it's probably outdated.

[00:07:15] Oh, and here's the other thing though. It only tracks television viewing inside of like homes.

[00:07:21] Oh.

[00:07:22] So it doesn't account for things like dormitories, public spaces, bars, or prisons.

[00:07:29] Oh.

[00:07:30] Hmm.

[00:07:31] So interesting.

[00:07:33] So yeah, we're going to, if you want to research more on the Nielsen rating system, you can Google that.

[00:07:38] The information is readily available, but yeah.

[00:07:41] So how did we get on the topic of Nielsen?

[00:07:43] I don't know.

[00:07:45] I don't know.

[00:07:46] But I mean, I imagine Star Trek Nielsen ratings were probably okay.

[00:07:50] Actually, when it was being brought, it was okay.

[00:07:53] It wasn't Star Trek.

[00:07:54] I think we addressed this before.

[00:07:55] Star Trek wasn't really a hit per se.

[00:07:58] It had an audience, but I mean, it did get canceled for lack of viewership.

[00:08:04] And I bet you anything Nielsen was probably so here.

[00:08:08] Perfect example.

[00:08:09] Star Trek was probably really popular with college students.

[00:08:13] Probably.

[00:08:14] Yeah.

[00:08:14] If I had to guess.

[00:08:15] Televisions and dormitories, which first of all would have been scarce, but a lot of these people probably watch Star Trek together.

[00:08:23] Yes.

[00:08:24] Well, if I had to guess, I'd say Nielsen boxes are going to white suburban families.

[00:08:29] In the late 60s, probably.

[00:08:32] And this is not a, I would say, well, I mean, at the time of what all in the family, leave it to beaver.

[00:08:40] Is it too far past that?

[00:08:41] Like, I don't think it's a sit down with your family kind of show.

[00:08:44] I mean, for some people, but this is probably a, like I said, this is probably a group of young adults or college students or, you know, people that get together to watch Star Trek every week.

[00:08:57] And they're probably not a Nielsen box home.

[00:09:00] So it probably had a fairly substantial viewership, but it wasn't being recorded as such, which is why metrics today are much more precise, I'm sure.

[00:09:13] But at the same time, it kind of makes it impossible for a show to get its legs like we've talked about.

[00:09:19] Because if you release a series on streaming and it doesn't get a lot up front, then they cancel it.

[00:09:28] Boom.

[00:09:28] They cancel it unceremoniously and usually with a cliffhanger.

[00:09:33] If they even get that.

[00:09:35] That was the, that was, that was, we went off the Paramount Plus description.

[00:09:39] That's, that's, that's where we, that's where we got, that's where we got lost.

[00:09:41] That's right.

[00:09:41] That's right.

[00:09:42] That's right.

[00:09:42] Uh, but going back, going back to the episode, uh, this episode is written by Oliver Crawford and directed by Robert Gist or Gist, but I'm going with Gist because I can make Gist of it jokes.

[00:09:54] So we could say that was the Gist of it.

[00:09:56] That makes sense.

[00:09:57] So whenever an episode is directed by Robert Gist, you'd be like, ah, there's the Gist.

[00:10:01] And there's the Gist of it.

[00:10:03] Apparently writer Oliver Crawford conceived of this episode as a science fiction retelling of the film Five Came Back, which is, uh, ooh, that's a doozy.

[00:10:12] Five Came Back is, uh, in, in a weird coincidence.

[00:10:17] Yeah.

[00:10:17] This would be a coincidence.

[00:10:18] So the movie Five Came Back, released in 1939, features a very young Lucille Ball.

[00:10:24] Yeah, that, that is a weird coincidence because we've talked about it before.

[00:10:29] She produced, created.

[00:10:32] Yeah.

[00:10:32] Desilu is the production company that makes Star Trek.

[00:10:36] It's a weird coincidence.

[00:10:38] That's a, that's an interesting coincidence.

[00:10:40] And then like, I just, just thinking about Five Came Back was made in 1939 and Star Trek debuted on television in 1966.

[00:10:52] How old is Lucy in this?

[00:10:55] But when she did, I love Lucy, that was in the fifties, right?

[00:10:58] Uh, I want to say, I want to say, yeah, yeah, it was.

[00:11:02] So how old is she when she was doing, I love Lucy?

[00:11:04] Lucy.

[00:11:05] It's, it's black, black and white, black and white, certainly.

[00:11:08] Correct.

[00:11:08] Yeah.

[00:11:09] Yeah.

[00:11:10] It's, isn't the whole bit with, with I love Lucy that, that she's like a middle-aged woman?

[00:11:14] Isn't that the whole deal?

[00:11:15] I never got the, I'm probably wrong here because the math is, wow, did you know that Lucille Ball was born in 1911?

[00:11:22] I did not know that.

[00:11:24] Wow.

[00:11:24] Okay.

[00:11:24] So when she made Five Came Back in 1939, if I type my numbers in 1939 minus 1911,

[00:11:32] she was, wow, I saw a screenshot of her in Five Came Back online and I thought she was like 19.

[00:11:38] She was 28.

[00:11:40] Oh, wow.

[00:11:40] Oh yeah, that makes sense.

[00:11:41] Cause yeah, I'm pretty sure cause the, the, the, the one big thing I know about I love Lucy is there's the bit where she gets pregnant.

[00:11:46] And it was like the first time a woman got to be pregnant on television.

[00:11:50] I'm like groundbreaking, like it was a really groundbreaking show because it means, it means they had to get into one of those,

[00:11:54] one of those little twin beds one night.

[00:11:57] Yep.

[00:11:58] Yeah.

[00:11:58] The only thing I know about Desi Arnaz is he sings Cuban Pete.

[00:12:01] That song's about, that song's about, that song's about Desi Arnaz.

[00:12:05] He is, he is in fact the Cuban Pete.

[00:12:07] Wait, wait, wait.

[00:12:08] He's the king of the Rumba beat?

[00:12:09] He's the king of the Rumba beat.

[00:12:12] When you play the Maracas.

[00:12:13] Wow, really?

[00:12:14] Yeah.

[00:12:14] Desi?

[00:12:15] Yeah.

[00:12:15] He sings it in an episode of I Love Lucy.

[00:12:17] They call me human Pete.

[00:12:19] I'm the king of the Rumba beat.

[00:12:22] When I play the Maracas, I go dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig.

[00:12:25] That like blew my mind.

[00:12:27] I think, I think in fact, cause they, I think they used to perform together prior to that show.

[00:12:33] They were like a performing duo.

[00:12:34] And I think like they used to sing it live, but I know they did it in an episode of I Love Lucy.

[00:12:39] That's hilarious.

[00:12:40] So I Love Lucy ran for six years starting in 1951.

[00:12:45] Really?

[00:12:46] Yeah.

[00:12:46] So 1951 minus 1911.

[00:12:49] So Lucy was 40 years old when I Love Lucy started.

[00:12:52] Wow.

[00:12:53] I feel like I knew that.

[00:12:54] Cause like my like real understanding of I Love Lucy is not really from I Love Lucy itself, but from, oh, this is gonna be a real shot in the dark.

[00:13:02] Have you ever seen the movie Rat Race?

[00:13:04] Yes.

[00:13:05] Yes.

[00:13:05] You know, the bit where that, where he gets, uh, he steals the bus full of I Love Lucy, going to the I Love Lucy convention.

[00:13:12] I forgot about it, but yes.

[00:13:13] That was like my first image.

[00:13:16] It's like Asian Lucille Ball.

[00:13:18] Like that's my first image of I Love Lucy, not, not the show.

[00:13:21] So like that's, that's my cultural reference point for that character or that person.

[00:13:25] I forgot about the I Love Lucy convention, which seems like a really fun night.

[00:13:30] I mean, it does.

[00:13:31] To me, it kind of is up there with like Dolly Land where you're like, it just seems like a good wholesome time.

[00:13:36] You mean Dollywood?

[00:13:37] Dollywood.

[00:13:38] Yeah, Dollywood.

[00:13:38] Dollywood.

[00:13:39] Yeah.

[00:13:39] So fun fact about Dollywood.

[00:13:40] Um, I got caught off guard because believe it or not, my family goes every year for Thanksgiving.

[00:13:45] We go to Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, which is where Dollywood is.

[00:13:49] And my oldest nephew was going that year and I was trying to figure out something we could do.

[00:13:53] And he and I both love roller coasters.

[00:13:55] So I was like, are there any theme parks?

[00:13:57] I wasn't even thinking about Dollywood because I didn't consider Dollywood like a theme park.

[00:14:01] Um, so I looked up, I was, I was like, maybe there's a place within like an hour's drive here,

[00:14:06] if you're, you know, maybe a Six Flags or something.

[00:14:08] But then the first thing that pops up is Dollywood.

[00:14:10] And I'm like, wait, Dollywood has roller coasters.

[00:14:13] Yeah, it's probably a pretty sick theme park.

[00:14:15] Um, a couple of them took us by surprise.

[00:14:21] Um, there was one, there was one that it wasn't anything crazy, but it was just really fast.

[00:14:27] And we both, it was like a stepbrothers moment.

[00:14:30] We're white knuckling the whole thing because we are not prepared for this roller coaster.

[00:14:33] Like, and we loved it.

[00:14:35] And then it stops and we're both like still hanging on to the bar.

[00:14:38] And we just look at each other and we're like, want to go again?

[00:14:41] Yup.

[00:14:42] Yeah, I've heard, I've heard, you know what?

[00:14:44] The first person I've heard to say that Dollywood is a surprisingly good time.

[00:14:47] It's a surprisingly good time.

[00:14:49] If you go at the right time, like she, if you want to meet Dolly Parton, she just shows up.

[00:14:54] She does.

[00:14:54] Yeah.

[00:14:54] She's known to work there.

[00:14:56] Just.

[00:14:56] Yeah.

[00:14:57] Shows up.

[00:14:58] Shows up.

[00:14:59] She's just a really nice, nice lady.

[00:15:01] And she seems, she seems to be.

[00:15:03] And Seth MacFarlane's a big fan.

[00:15:05] She got to do a guest spot on the Orville.

[00:15:08] That is one of my favorite writing jokes.

[00:15:10] It's one of the best jokes in that whole show.

[00:15:13] Yeah.

[00:15:13] That, and the scene where she finally shows up is, is genuinely really good.

[00:15:17] But the, the bit where the, the Mocklin, what is it?

[00:15:21] Mocklin female liberation organization or whatever.

[00:15:24] They choose the Dolly Parton as their like patron saint.

[00:15:28] And she's giving a speech at the union, like the equivalent of the space UN council.

[00:15:35] And she's just like working nine to five.

[00:15:38] And I'm just.

[00:15:40] But I, I mean, I love to see where she, where she meets the holographic Dolly Parton.

[00:15:44] It's like, Oh, this is a surprisingly touching scene.

[00:15:47] I'm sure.

[00:15:47] I would have loved to have seen Dolly Parton's reaction to that email.

[00:15:51] Right.

[00:15:52] Right.

[00:15:52] Like you need, you want me to do what?

[00:15:55] I mean, Dolly Parton.

[00:15:55] Well, I'm sure she was, I'm sure she was probably like, well, whatever you want me to do, Shook.

[00:15:59] I mean, yeah.

[00:15:59] She reminds me of Stan Lee in the sense that he, like she's probably just willing to like,

[00:16:03] I'll do anything.

[00:16:04] Yeah.

[00:16:04] Probably her only string is probably like, well, you know, throw some money to a charity.

[00:16:08] Cause Dolly Parton seems like, frankly, one of the nicest people on planet earth.

[00:16:12] Yeah.

[00:16:13] She, she's one of those millionaires who gives away her millions to charity.

[00:16:16] We love you, Dolly.

[00:16:17] We love you.

[00:16:19] We do.

[00:16:20] And anybody.

[00:16:20] Who, who has a bad thing to say about Dolly Parton?

[00:16:23] Like seriously.

[00:16:24] I've never met a person.

[00:16:26] Never.

[00:16:26] And certainly nobody that's met her.

[00:16:28] No.

[00:16:29] No.

[00:16:30] But I mean, some people are like, Dolly Parton.

[00:16:31] It's like, first of all, listen to the music.

[00:16:34] Dolly Parton.

[00:16:34] And then if you, if you don't like it, just shut up because don't, don't say anything bad

[00:16:38] about Dolly Parton.

[00:16:39] Yeah.

[00:16:39] And she, she would be, she'd be nice to you.

[00:16:42] She'd be nice to you.

[00:16:42] What did she do to you?

[00:16:43] Opened a theme park?

[00:16:45] Right.

[00:16:45] Opened a kick-ass theme park?

[00:16:47] Go to, go to the, go to the, uh, the I Love Lucy convention on the way to Dollywood.

[00:16:51] Sounds, that sounds amazing.

[00:16:53] Sounds like a delightful afternoon.

[00:16:55] Not to mention, an I Love Lucy convention would be hilarious, but I digress because this,

[00:16:59] this isn't a funny episode.

[00:17:01] It's a serious episode.

[00:17:03] Gosh darn it.

[00:17:04] At least not yet.

[00:17:04] We're going to make it funny, but, uh, but yeah, so that's an interesting coincidence.

[00:17:08] And this story, we were talking about the Nielsen rating.

[00:17:10] This story was partly drawn from Spock's breakout popularity.

[00:17:14] Remember that scene we talked about in the naked time?

[00:17:17] Yep.

[00:17:18] Lots of female viewers really, uh, they found Spock's,

[00:17:22] emotional vulnerability quite sexy.

[00:17:26] I mean, hey, who doesn't love an emotionally vulnerable guy?

[00:17:28] Well, it's not really his vulnerability per se.

[00:17:31] It's just some kick-ass acting, frankly.

[00:17:33] It was.

[00:17:34] This is some good stuff.

[00:17:36] But according to Leonard Nimoy, as a result, one writer simply suggested a story in which

[00:17:41] Spock was seen commanding a vessel and he is commanding a shuttlecraft in this episode.

[00:17:46] So, and this seems to be a really popular episode, even though I remember not liking

[00:17:51] it as much when I was younger, but I will say it's better than I remember it.

[00:17:55] I look, okay.

[00:17:57] There are some logical inconsistencies.

[00:17:59] Oh, there's so many, so many.

[00:18:03] But I, I discovered, I discovered I quite liked Leonard Nimoy.

[00:18:06] There's one moment in particular towards the end that I was like, you know what?

[00:18:09] This is, I, I, I liked it.

[00:18:11] I like this a lot.

[00:18:12] It's like, it's, yeah, it's like, good, good Leonard Nimoy.

[00:18:14] Good Leonard Nimoy acting in this episode.

[00:18:16] Oh, it's a very Leonard Nimoy shines in this one.

[00:18:20] But our journey begins.

[00:18:22] The USS Enterprise is en route to Moccas 3 to deliver medical supplies destined for the

[00:18:27] new Paris colony.

[00:18:28] The ship passes close to a quasar-like formation identified as Murasaki 312, which Kirk's standing

[00:18:35] orders require him to study.

[00:18:38] So we start out this episode with yet another weird overhead camera angle.

[00:18:43] Yeah, I, I see, see, I, anytime the show looks slightly different, I'm always like, oh,

[00:18:47] neat.

[00:18:47] That's, that's different.

[00:18:48] That's a different camera angle.

[00:18:50] We're trying something this episode.

[00:18:51] I get it.

[00:18:52] There's, there's a lot of experimentation in the first season.

[00:18:55] Oh, for sure.

[00:18:56] You're trying to find, like, I see, the thing is, I, I joked about it in the pilot, but,

[00:19:00] and the first season does, doesn't do it nearly as much as my memory of Star Trek being,

[00:19:04] but I referenced it, the upper body closeup mid-camera shot.

[00:19:09] Every time a person speaks.

[00:19:10] Shot, shot, shot.

[00:19:11] Reverse shot.

[00:19:11] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:19:12] It, I, it doesn't weigh less than I kind of thought it would.

[00:19:15] Maybe, maybe I'm like season two and three is where they really get into that stuff.

[00:19:19] But, um, what, they, they introduced a quasar.

[00:19:22] What exactly is a quasar?

[00:19:23] I cannot be bothered to Google it.

[00:19:25] And Jake is smart.

[00:19:26] I'm sure he'll know what a quasar is.

[00:19:28] Well, I'm going to consult my Oracle, Google.

[00:19:33] The University of Google, Google, the Library of Alexandria, Google.

[00:19:38] I'm surprised there isn't, there was never a web there.

[00:19:41] Actually, there probably was a website called Library of Alexandria, but.

[00:19:44] There was a website called the, something Babylon, which I, you know, vaguely Alexandria.

[00:19:50] All right, so quasar is an extremely luminous active galactic nucleus.

[00:19:56] Oh, so like.

[00:19:58] So that tells me nothing.

[00:20:00] So it seems to be a thing in space that is luminous that is not a star.

[00:20:07] Okay, it kind of, kind of makes me think of, um, what's the word?

[00:20:12] Oh my God.

[00:20:13] It happens in, at the North Pole.

[00:20:15] The Aurora Borealis.

[00:20:17] Yeah.

[00:20:17] Thank you.

[00:20:17] Aurora Borealis, but in space.

[00:20:19] I think that's.

[00:20:21] Yes and no, because that's, that's gases in the atmosphere reacting, but.

[00:20:26] Yeah, because this, they seem to indicate that this is like a gas cloud surrounding a planet that's just being charged somehow.

[00:20:32] Yeah.

[00:20:33] And that's why it's luminous.

[00:20:35] Interesting.

[00:20:36] So, okay.

[00:20:37] Okay, well, we're going to get to the, to the actual expedition itself, because it still doesn't make any sense.

[00:20:42] This is the fourth time I've rewatched this, and I still don't understand the logic.

[00:20:46] I still don't know what a high commander is.

[00:20:49] What is it?

[00:20:50] His, his entrance is so hilarious.

[00:20:53] I, I, I love his entrance where he's like, Commander Finster.

[00:20:57] Like, it's like, like, it's, it's, it's three steps away from it, like, Commander Finster.

[00:21:02] Da-da!

[00:21:04] Like, it's so soap opera-y.

[00:21:06] It's, it's, it's so good.

[00:21:07] I see that the, the thing is, I, I understand what they were doing, because they needed a ticking clock element.

[00:21:13] For sure.

[00:21:14] It's not a very good one.

[00:21:16] And as somebody who actually liked the ticking clock aspect of the episode, The Enemy Within, this one is a little on the want, want side, because I'm pretty sure that a crew rescue mission, like, if you're a little late in delivering supplies somewhere, because you were rescuing members of your crew, I'm pretty sure you're okay.

[00:21:40] I mean, but maybe if the guy goes, hey, it was his own fault, and they'd be like, oh, human life is expendable.

[00:21:46] Yeah, early Star Trek does have a, an interesting dichotomy there.

[00:21:52] Or, it's very much main characters matter, but.

[00:21:56] Oh, yeah, this episode's very much that.

[00:21:58] Ooh.

[00:21:59] Like.

[00:21:59] But, like, yeah, he, he, that character, well, we'll condense all my criticisms of my character to this one bit where he, he gives me real middle management vibes.

[00:22:08] I think that pretty much sums it up.

[00:22:10] Like, we've all had, we've all had a manager who, like, who comes in and tells you what to do, and you're like, you've never done this before.

[00:22:18] You sit in an office all day, you don't know what you're talking about, sit down!

[00:22:23] So, for, for me, my biggest annoyance with middle management like that was always not so much being told what to do, because, yeah, I mean, management's gonna tell you what needs to be done.

[00:22:31] My biggest problem is, is when they also try to tell you how to do it, when they don't do that job.

[00:22:38] And my whole thing was always, my whole thing, because I, I, I manage people now, and my whole thing is, I always show them, this is how I do it.

[00:22:48] If you find a better way, awesome.

[00:22:51] I'm exactly the same way.

[00:22:52] I'm like, I, I.

[00:22:54] As long as this end result is achieved in a reasonable amount of time, I don't give, I don't care how you do it.

[00:23:00] I'm technically a supervisor in my day job.

[00:23:03] So, when I, when I don't wear the Star Trek uniform.

[00:23:05] And, yeah, that's, so, so, a very similar approach of, like, this is the outcome.

[00:23:11] This is what we need to achieve.

[00:23:12] So long as the bosses don't complain about it, and everyone's happy, and I don't have to listen to people complain.

[00:23:18] It's, it's malleable.

[00:23:19] You can do it how, yeah, as long as you're comfortable, and you're happy, and I'm happy, we're all happy, I'm cool with that.

[00:23:25] And, yeah, I find everyone works together better when you allow that freedom.

[00:23:29] Well, and not only that, when you have more flexibility in how things get done, somebody comes along and comes out with a more efficient way to do it.

[00:23:37] Pretty much, yeah.

[00:23:38] Or a better way to do it.

[00:23:39] Because I've been looking over at a guy, you know, assembling a cabinet, because that's my day job.

[00:23:44] And I look over and I went, I've been doing this for almost 20 years, and I've never thought to do that.

[00:23:50] Yeah, that's happened to me a few times as well, where he's like, oh, if we do it, if we do this and this and this, it'll shave down time.

[00:23:56] And I'm like, you know what?

[00:23:58] When you run, but that's, that's the mark of a good leader.

[00:24:00] And that's why Kirk is a good leader, because Kirk takes in those opinions.

[00:24:05] Turk, Turk, Kirk, wrong show.

[00:24:08] That's a different show.

[00:24:08] That's a different show about doctors.

[00:24:12] Kirk takes input very well.

[00:24:16] And you'll notice there's been more than a few times where something really intense happens.

[00:24:19] Once they're out of immediate danger, he has a powwow with his senior officers.

[00:24:24] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:24:25] And they figure out what to do.

[00:24:27] And he hears all opinions and makes a decision based on that.

[00:24:31] Yeah.

[00:24:31] That's good leadership.

[00:24:32] My favorite Kirk leadership moment was when he's like, okay, this is what we did wrong.

[00:24:36] This is where we need to re-approach.

[00:24:38] We need to re-center, re-center ourselves, figure this out, and go practice.

[00:24:42] And I was like, that is good.

[00:24:43] That's good.

[00:24:44] Solid.

[00:24:44] Solid.

[00:24:45] This high commissioner guy, he's a micromanager pencil pusher.

[00:24:50] We've all had a boss like him at least once in our lives.

[00:24:53] Yeah.

[00:24:53] And what those bosses don't understand is that nobody respects them because nobody's ever seen

[00:24:58] you do the thing.

[00:25:00] Right.

[00:25:00] Exactly.

[00:25:01] You're much more inclined to get people to do the thing for you if they've seen you physically

[00:25:05] doing the thing.

[00:25:07] And if they need help doing the thing, if you jump in and help them do the thing, at least

[00:25:11] temporarily.

[00:25:12] Oh, and when, when, when I was, I, I had a manager who like, she would show up to do,

[00:25:20] to accomplish things that could easily be delegated or like accomplished in a phone call.

[00:25:24] And that's just like a big pet.

[00:25:25] Like my big thing with this character is why are you here?

[00:25:28] What are you contributing that can't be contributed over a video call?

[00:25:31] And in terms of his functionality in the, in the episode, why couldn't he have been at

[00:25:35] the colony on the video call?

[00:25:37] Why did he physically need to be there?

[00:25:39] This could have been a zoom meeting, sir.

[00:25:42] That's what I'm saying.

[00:25:42] It easily could have been a zoom meeting, but, but, but just like more importantly, like in

[00:25:46] terms of he's annoying in this episode and you could easily cut him out and still maintain

[00:25:51] a ticking clock.

[00:25:53] Yeah.

[00:25:53] That, I guess that's what I'm getting at is like, maybe they're taking emergency medical

[00:25:57] supplies and there's a plague going on.

[00:25:59] I get that.

[00:26:00] That's, that's fine.

[00:26:01] Reduce the time.

[00:26:02] Yeah.

[00:26:04] This guy's just annoying, but Ferris is called a galactic high commissioner, uh, because

[00:26:09] the name United Federation of Planets had not yet been created.

[00:26:14] Uh, two years later in the episode, Elan of Troyes, the term Federation high commissioner

[00:26:19] is used instead for someone of the same, uh, station.

[00:26:24] So he, he would effectively be, uh, see Orville is my like guiding way into Star Trek, but in,

[00:26:31] in the Orville, he would be like Ted Danson, right?

[00:26:34] No, Ted Danson is an admiral.

[00:26:36] Is an admiral.

[00:26:37] So he's in, he's in the military.

[00:26:38] This person would be a high ranking government official, but see, cause in the United States,

[00:26:45] we don't really have commissioners person, not in government, maybe a, not quite a governor.

[00:26:49] What would he be?

[00:26:50] I don't know what he would be, but anyway, he's a, he's a, he's a pencil pusher.

[00:26:54] He's a, he's a pencil, pencil, pencil, pencil pushing dweeb who Kirk's like, no.

[00:27:00] So Kirk is not having any of this.

[00:27:03] Out of my way, nerd.

[00:27:06] Speaking of nerds, Kirk sends a science team composed of science officer Spock.

[00:27:10] Makes sense.

[00:27:11] Chief medical officer, Dr. McCoy.

[00:27:13] No.

[00:27:14] Uh, makes sense to have a doctor there, but I don't think your chief medical officer should

[00:27:18] be there.

[00:27:19] Uh, chief engineer Scott, definitely not smart.

[00:27:22] No.

[00:27:23] Again, engineer makes sense.

[00:27:25] Chief engineering officer.

[00:27:27] Not smart.

[00:27:28] These guys are like the head of their departments.

[00:27:30] Do they not like have a second in command?

[00:27:32] Like that?

[00:27:33] Like I understand wanting a medical person on there.

[00:27:35] Does he not have like a second or third backup doctor?

[00:27:38] See, they, they have to, they have to, they can't be, they can't be that stupid.

[00:27:43] Speaking of backup people, I noticed that the woman bringing, uh, bring the captain, the high

[00:27:48] commissioner coffee, but it was not, it was not the Yowman.

[00:27:51] So that got me thinking, what is it like to be the backup coffee gal on the, on the enterprise?

[00:27:56] You're not the coffee gal, but you're the girl who's in waiting for the coffee gal.

[00:28:01] I don't know.

[00:28:01] It depends on your outlook, I suppose.

[00:28:04] Cause somebody from lower decks, for example, might be like, oh, I have to go get coffee today.

[00:28:10] Right.

[00:28:10] I thought it'd be coffee gal.

[00:28:12] Oh God.

[00:28:13] But also Yowman mirrors is there.

[00:28:16] That doesn't make any sense.

[00:28:18] And three other, three other specialists that do make sense.

[00:28:21] Latimer, Gaetano and Boma.

[00:28:23] I mean, they, they, they make sense because they're expendable.

[00:28:27] Well, they're also, they're a specialist.

[00:28:30] They're expendable specialists.

[00:28:32] Right.

[00:28:33] Well, guest stars, it's pretty much a roulette of who's going to, who's going to bite it out of the guest stars.

[00:28:38] Yeah.

[00:28:38] They always seem to have targets, don't they?

[00:28:40] But they're in the shuttlecraft Galileo sent to investigate the formation.

[00:28:44] So this one, this one only applies if you're watching the Paramount Plus version of this episode.

[00:28:50] We get some really, really, really bad CGI in this episode.

[00:28:54] It's pretty, it's pretty janky.

[00:28:55] It's pretty janky.

[00:28:56] I mean, I did say though, that Jake will be happy.

[00:28:58] There's some shuttlecraft action.

[00:29:00] I know you've enjoyed it for some shuttlecraft.

[00:29:02] Believe you me.

[00:29:02] Oh no, I've already made my piece in the episode Conscience of the King.

[00:29:06] I've, I've already been proven right.

[00:29:07] So the flight deck down there with the shuttlecraft, with the shuttlecraft, with the shuttlecraft.

[00:29:17] There's so many shuttlecrafts.

[00:29:19] There's more than one shuttlecraft.

[00:29:20] Oh, and we see them no less.

[00:29:24] We see both of them.

[00:29:24] Now, to be fair, I think in the original episode, we only do see the one.

[00:29:28] I think they added the CGI shots.

[00:29:30] Um, but since there is so much janky CGI, I'm guessing it means that the model work was really, really crap.

[00:29:39] Well, I mean, I got the, I got a note about, I mean, it's one of my favorite shots of the episode, but then the note of, and I mean, if you could, the, the, the shot of the Enterprise pooping out the Columbus.

[00:29:51] And I'm guessing it looked a lot like that.

[00:29:55] And then my, my favorite bit is the bit at the end where they just reverse the shot.

[00:29:58] So it looks like it's sucking it back in.

[00:30:01] Yeah, it's, it's, it's beautiful.

[00:30:03] Uh, but my main note for this part of the episode is why are the chief medical chief engineer officers, science and first officer on the same expedition?

[00:30:12] Like I get the science officer.

[00:30:13] He just happens to be, he just happens to be the first officer, but I get it.

[00:30:17] He's, I get it.

[00:30:19] Um, but McCoy and Scotty are the next ones in the chain of commands.

[00:30:23] I just, I don't understand.

[00:30:24] I don't understand.

[00:30:26] I, I keep not understanding what the logic is here.

[00:30:29] So they did, they got in the shuttle and in order to study this, this sort of theoretically ephemeral thing, they just flew blindly into the thing.

[00:30:40] Not knowing whether or not there was not even just a planet in the center of it, but like an asteroid, something physical.

[00:30:48] Like, did they not have like an unmanned instrument that they could ascend in?

[00:30:53] Like a little robot?

[00:30:54] They don't have robots.

[00:30:56] They've alluded to having probes before.

[00:30:58] That's what I'm saying.

[00:30:59] Okay.

[00:30:59] So why?

[00:31:00] Okay.

[00:31:00] And even then, even then I, every time I've now seen this episode, it becomes increasingly perplexing to me why there are so many people on this expedition because, okay, I get one science guy and maybe an assistant to like take down information.

[00:31:16] Right.

[00:31:17] I get that.

[00:31:18] But as you pointed out, the, the chief engineer and the medical officer, I understand the functionality for drama while they're there.

[00:31:26] But in terms of, that's the thing, this makes universe from a script perspective, it makes sense because you want to have your leading people in.

[00:31:36] But, but again, from a practical standpoint, this just doesn't, this would have been a really good opportunity to grow some more, which this would be done in TV today.

[00:31:44] Speaking of like, normally we criticize modern day Star Trek, but this episode, if it were done today, this would have been a great opportunity to elevate a lesser known background character, maybe into the forefront.

[00:31:58] The Orville did that several times.

[00:32:00] My thing is I've made fun of the, the guest characters giving Spock the business this episode, but we're going to get into it.

[00:32:08] We're going to get into the business they give, but I think if it was all nobodies and it was so much,

[00:32:14] Spock in a sea of nobodies, like a sea of random crew members.

[00:32:17] And he had to, he had to like stand up to them at maybe like he would have been challenged a bit more.

[00:32:23] Like I know that, that's that bones is there challenging him, but it just, it feels forced and illogical and an episode that is not terribly logical.

[00:32:33] Yeah.

[00:32:34] Now here's the thing though.

[00:32:35] So I could see maybe a case of, so let's say McCoy is not on the ship, you know, cause like, yeah, you'll need a medical person.

[00:32:41] I get that Scotty.

[00:32:43] You kind of need Scotty for this episode.

[00:32:44] Cause you need a really talented engineer to get them out of trouble.

[00:32:48] True.

[00:32:48] Yeah.

[00:32:48] The, the drama is too high stakes for them to, to get put in a scrub.

[00:32:52] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:32:52] Yeah.

[00:32:53] Bones doesn't do anything in this episode.

[00:32:55] Not, he's just there to, to also be a, a lot of his actions in this episode are also out of kind of, I found them to be slightly out of character.

[00:33:06] Like slightly.

[00:33:07] Yeah.

[00:33:08] Bones is just kind of, he's just kind of there to be annoying.

[00:33:12] Oh, I don't, I don't, I don't know.

[00:33:13] I don't know how much, how much sausage being made.

[00:33:15] We want to reveal, but I have a different perspective on it this time, knowing how they treat death later on.

[00:33:24] Yeah.

[00:33:24] Well, that's only one episode, but anyway.

[00:33:27] Um, but yeah, yeah.

[00:33:28] Where that's like, they're weirdly emotional in, in ways that they didn't seem to be.

[00:33:32] They don't seem to be in other times is what I would say.

[00:33:35] Maybe you just need a funny hat.

[00:33:36] That's true.

[00:33:37] Need a funny hat.

[00:33:38] But speaking of Yeoman Mears, she's played by Phyllis Douglas, who is known for several of her big roles in her career, including an uncredited role in Gone with the Wind because she was two years old at the time.

[00:33:50] She was also Josie Miller in the 1960s Batman.

[00:33:54] Josie Miller was Joker's assistant because Harley Quinn had not been invented yet.

[00:33:58] Had not been invented yet.

[00:34:00] Really?

[00:34:00] Interesting.

[00:34:00] Interesting.

[00:34:01] No, Harley Quinn wasn't invented until the animated series in 1992 or 1993.

[00:34:07] Well, that I knew.

[00:34:08] I just didn't realize that he had a previous assistant.

[00:34:11] Yeah, I don't.

[00:34:12] I can't believe they haven't had an episode where those two characters fought.

[00:34:15] That's really funny to me, though.

[00:34:17] It's just like the Joker hanging out with basically just an assistant.

[00:34:23] I want to be fair.

[00:34:23] The 1960s Joker is significantly.

[00:34:25] He's not nearly as much like Mark Hamill Joker as I think people remember.

[00:34:30] He's way less cackley and maniacally laughy.

[00:34:32] Well, I just love the idea of even a campy Joker just coming up with some dastardly plot to steal all the rubber noses in Gotham or something.

[00:34:41] Josie!

[00:34:41] Take a note!

[00:34:43] She just comes in and she's like, did you forget to pay the water bill?

[00:34:47] Of course I didn't forget to pay the way I did.

[00:34:50] I just pictured the Joker being like, coffee!

[00:34:53] Coffee!

[00:34:54] You know I can't do a Batman before I've had my coffee!

[00:34:57] And I love how we're still doing the Mark Hamill impression when it's not Mark Hamill.

[00:35:02] But on the original note, I still can't explain to you why a yeoman would be on this mission.

[00:35:07] No!

[00:35:08] Especially because, as previously stated, they've got the backup coffee person.

[00:35:12] So they needed coffee.

[00:35:14] This just seems like a really, really inefficient allocation of resources.

[00:35:17] That's all I'm saying.

[00:35:18] I mean, is there not an...

[00:35:20] Okay.

[00:35:20] The logic I can see for it is that maybe Spock needs someone he needs to dictate to to take notes.

[00:35:27] But like, is there not other administrative staff on the Enterprise?

[00:35:31] I get that, but the computer up to this point has been gone repeatedly able to take dictation.

[00:35:37] True.

[00:35:38] I mean, but even if you did need human dictation, does he not have like a second administrative person to bring?

[00:35:44] Yeah, exactly.

[00:35:44] Well, you would think that if that was something that was needed, they would have specialists for that.

[00:35:49] You know?

[00:35:50] Right.

[00:35:51] And just from, I mean, again, half of these people aren't going to die.

[00:35:55] So like, they're just not.

[00:35:58] Well, okay.

[00:35:58] The yeoman's got a chance because she's not as well established as a Bones or a Scotty.

[00:36:04] But Scotty's not going to get it.

[00:36:06] Yeah.

[00:36:06] This episode was originally supposed to include Janice Rand, but as we've previously established, Grace Lee Whitney was written out of the show and apparently is being replaced by Yeoman Mears.

[00:36:18] Which, I mean...

[00:36:20] Janice had more Spock.

[00:36:22] Janice had more Spock.

[00:36:23] Also, like, you could tell because, yeah, of course, in Janice Rand, she's been in a bunch of these adventures where she shouldn't have been.

[00:36:29] But also, like, if this were a 20, like, 24, 2023 show, she would be in this episode and they would have killed her off here.

[00:36:38] She would have taken a spear through the chest.

[00:36:39] Ooh.

[00:36:40] Yeah.

[00:36:42] Well, okay.

[00:36:42] It depends.

[00:36:43] Is this an HBO show or a network show?

[00:36:46] Or, see, this is a joke.

[00:36:48] Or is it the Orville?

[00:36:50] Because you wonder what I learned about the Orville that I don't know if you know this?

[00:36:53] Did you know that Seth MacFarlane dated the chick who plays Allara?

[00:36:57] Really?

[00:36:57] And then they broke up while they were making the show?

[00:37:00] Does that not explain why she just randomly disappeared off that show now?

[00:37:06] Ooh.

[00:37:07] That's...

[00:37:09] Ooh.

[00:37:10] That's...

[00:37:10] That's icky.

[00:37:11] Yeah, yeah, I know.

[00:37:13] Apparently, they've said it had nothing to do with it, but I don't know.

[00:37:16] They broke up and then she was just...

[00:37:18] It's not even that they wrote her off the show.

[00:37:20] She just disappears and then the character that replaces her just kind of takes all of her storylines.

[00:37:25] Well, I wouldn't say she disappears.

[00:37:28] I mean, she gets a graceful exit.

[00:37:29] Her character does.

[00:37:31] I suppose as graceful as it probably was going to be considering it was like mid-season.

[00:37:37] Yeah.

[00:37:38] Soon after the launch, the shuttle is pulled off course.

[00:37:41] Spock makes an emergency landing on the planet Taurus II, a rocky, fog-shrouded world in the middle of the Murasaki phenomenon.

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[00:38:44] So yes, our crew has crashed on Taurus II, and they're in a bad way.

[00:38:53] Yeah, I don't understand.

[00:38:55] How does one multiply speed geometrically?

[00:38:58] Speed squared.

[00:38:59] Speed times squared.

[00:39:01] It just was a lot of science-y jargon.

[00:39:03] It's technobabble.

[00:39:05] It's technobabble.

[00:39:06] Just technobabble.

[00:39:07] Just say the technobabble.

[00:39:09] Also, like minimal injuries that he just wound up with a minor nosebleed.

[00:39:12] Yeah, it seems like it was a much rougher.

[00:39:15] Again, which I am.

[00:39:17] It's not a fair comparison.

[00:39:19] The Orville does a shuttle crash really well.

[00:39:22] I mean, yeah, but yeah, it's not a fair comparison.

[00:39:24] It's not a fair comparison.

[00:39:26] You can't show loss of limbs on five o'clock on a Tuesday evening.

[00:39:30] Yeah, well, that's literally like comparing the Titanic with the modern day USS Enterprise aircraft carrier.

[00:39:37] They're not even.

[00:39:39] They're not the same thing.

[00:39:41] They are not even close to being the same thing.

[00:39:43] But after this episode was filmed, they made no new shots of shuttlecraft using the miniature.

[00:39:49] So every time you see a shuttlecraft, at least prior to the Paramount Plus or CGI enhancements in the original run,

[00:39:57] every time you see a shuttlecraft, it's reused footage from this episode.

[00:40:01] I mean, hey, you know what?

[00:40:02] Fair enough.

[00:40:03] That prop looks expensive.

[00:40:06] Like, is it a full set?

[00:40:07] Like, is it a, it's like, do they have like a shuttlecraft?

[00:40:09] Like, because they keep doing those exterior shots of what looks to be like at least a Leonard Nimoy's sized.

[00:40:15] So there's two.

[00:40:16] This is specifically what I'm talking about right now is the shuttlecraft miniature for the space shots.

[00:40:21] Oh, gotcha.

[00:40:22] Gotcha.

[00:40:23] All those space shots are all identical.

[00:40:24] Although, yes, yes, there is a life size.

[00:40:27] I think there's two actually.

[00:40:28] But there's, I know there's a note later because I made my outline.

[00:40:31] So I touch on it.

[00:40:32] I think they were two made.

[00:40:33] I think there might be one more episode where we see it because it was hella expensive.

[00:40:38] It's, it's really cool.

[00:40:39] I mean, I, I really, I appreciate good set work and it looks really cool.

[00:40:43] It looks believable.

[00:40:44] It looks like it.

[00:40:45] It looks like what it looks like a spaceship.

[00:40:47] Yeah.

[00:40:48] Like the, what they do with the inside interior shots.

[00:40:51] Like, yeah, it, they looked like they're going inside of an actual like thing.

[00:40:55] And yeah, I appreciate that.

[00:40:57] But so, but another fun fact, the shuttlecraft was built by AMT in exchange for them getting the exclusive rights to make the plastic model kit version.

[00:41:05] I mean, hey, fair enough.

[00:41:07] Hey, I mean, wheeling and dealing back in the day.

[00:41:10] I'm just saying those toys they'd be selling.

[00:41:12] That's the only reason why Star Wars is still around.

[00:41:15] Star Wars toys sold quite a bit more than Star Trek toys did.

[00:41:19] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:41:20] Those toy sales, they will keep the franchise alive.

[00:41:22] Oh, they, oh, they were.

[00:41:23] I remember back when they did, yeah, 1997 was the first year they did the special edition and they did the re-release of the toys.

[00:41:31] Gotta say, as much as people love the original run of toys from the 70s, the toys from the special edition put them all to shame.

[00:41:41] I mean, yeah, I, I, for the longest time, that's my Star Wars is the, the VHS tapes where they were all together and they had Darth Vader's face on them.

[00:41:52] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:41:52] Yeah, that's a special edition.

[00:41:54] For me, for me, uh, Darth Vader at the end of Return of Jedi, he's just a guy.

[00:41:58] He's not hating Christianity.

[00:41:59] He's just some random guy.

[00:42:01] Exactly.

[00:42:02] Which I still don't love how they, I get why they did it.

[00:42:05] I get it.

[00:42:06] I've seen so many memes of it that are really fun, that are, that are funny, that I'm like, I, I get it.

[00:42:12] It's, it's, it's, it's a brand exercise.

[00:42:14] Also with George Lucas, uh, he, he will, he will do anything to his, uh.

[00:42:19] Well, you know the main reason, you know the main reason I don't like it?

[00:42:23] It's because it's kind of shitting on the actor that they did it with in the first place.

[00:42:29] Right?

[00:42:30] I mean, I, I think they did eventually.

[00:42:32] Did, do they, do they have the original?

[00:42:35] Did they ever do a release of the original?

[00:42:37] Not, not since they read, I mean, yeah, I mean, they did it with the special edition, but I think post Revenge of the Sith, um, I think all the subsequently released versions are Hayden Christensen.

[00:42:49] I think you're right.

[00:42:50] Yeah.

[00:42:50] I don't think they've ever, at one point, because I know that people are asking for them to, to do a re-release of the original untouched versions of.

[00:42:57] Cause for me, that's not the one that gets me.

[00:42:59] For me, it's in the first one, this is not a Star Wars podcast, but, um, it's in the first one when the do-backs walk, walk through the background and they just look digitally imposed and it looks bad.

[00:43:08] Well, cause they are.

[00:43:10] Yeah.

[00:43:10] Like, that's the stuff that looked, that stuff looks bad.

[00:43:13] The Hayden Christensen, I guess because I like Hayden Christensen.

[00:43:16] Um, I, I love it by it.

[00:43:17] Yeah, like, it's, it's, on the list of complaints, it's pretty small.

[00:43:20] Like, it's one of those things where it's like, I get it.

[00:43:22] I'm not even saying that I wouldn't have done it.

[00:43:24] I, I wasn't in the room, that it wasn't.

[00:43:26] Yeah.

[00:43:27] But also like, um, uh, the, the emperor is not, is some, is some random guy.

[00:43:32] He's not Ian McDermott.

[00:43:33] In Empire Strikes Back.

[00:43:35] Yeah.

[00:43:35] Yeah.

[00:43:35] In my, in my memory, he's not Ian McDermott.

[00:43:37] Well, he's some random guy.

[00:43:39] He's Ian McDermott in Return of the Jedi, but not.

[00:43:42] Not Empire Strikes Back.

[00:43:43] Not in Empire Strikes Back.

[00:43:45] Correct.

[00:43:45] Yeah.

[00:43:45] Yeah.

[00:43:46] Oh, but they did go in and change that, didn't they?

[00:43:47] Yeah.

[00:43:48] Cause I remember that being slightly, slightly different.

[00:43:50] That I get.

[00:43:51] Yes.

[00:43:51] That I, that I, that I get.

[00:43:53] Also, I love Ian McDermott.

[00:43:55] So like, who's.

[00:43:55] So I found out, I found out very random.

[00:43:58] This is very random, but Ian McDermott.

[00:44:00] So did you know that the BBC, I don't know what year they did a radio drama of Paradise

[00:44:05] Lost and Ian McDermott plays Lucifer.

[00:44:09] Really?

[00:44:10] And now I really want to, cause I heard an excerpt of, to rule in hell and to serve in heaven.

[00:44:16] And I was like, I kind of, I kind of really, I need to listen to this now.

[00:44:21] Oh man.

[00:44:22] I even, I, I, I will never not let Ian, even in the bad Star Wars movies, he's in, I will,

[00:44:28] I will always love Ian McDermott.

[00:44:29] I just love the sense of humor he has because I, I, all the time at cons, he'll just grab

[00:44:33] a microphone and pause and just be like, do it.

[00:44:37] Do it.

[00:44:38] Do it.

[00:44:39] Oh, it's great.

[00:44:40] It's great.

[00:44:40] It's good stuff.

[00:44:41] But, uh, come coming back to Star Trek, back to Star Trek.

[00:44:44] Star Trek, the other nerd franchise.

[00:44:47] The better nerd franchise.

[00:44:50] I said it.

[00:44:51] You're watching a Star Trek podcast though.

[00:44:53] Whoa.

[00:44:54] I'm assuming you're on my side because you're watching a Star Trek podcast.

[00:44:57] Anyway.

[00:44:57] I remember Latimer and Gaetano scout the area for some reason, encountering Taurus II's

[00:45:04] native inhabitants, which are giant ape-like creatures armed with enormous spears and shields.

[00:45:09] So they're space Vikings?

[00:45:11] I said space cavemen, but.

[00:45:13] Oh, space cavemen is probably more apropos.

[00:45:15] Latimer is killed by a spear and Gaetano drives off the creatures with phaser fire.

[00:45:20] I'm sorry.

[00:45:21] The name, the name Gaetano is tripping me up because it, it always makes me think of what

[00:45:25] would Brian Gaetano do?

[00:45:26] Dude.

[00:45:27] Fun, fun fact.

[00:45:28] I, I actually, I have him on Facebook.

[00:45:31] Like when, you know, when Facebook first started and they didn't have like a fan pages, uh,

[00:45:36] he added everybody in a Facebook group called what would Brian Boitano do?

[00:45:41] Because he was just really enamored with that, with that joke.

[00:45:43] And I actually messaged him and I'm like, are you the Brian Boitano?

[00:45:47] And he came back with a, yes, it's me.

[00:45:49] And it, that page eventually transformed into a fan page.

[00:45:52] But for the longest time, it was just his family.

[00:45:54] It was just his regular, it was his personal Facebook.

[00:45:56] It was like, I know, I know the, I actually spoke to the Brian Boitano.

[00:46:01] So I'm just over here.

[00:46:01] What would, I'm going to, I'm going to give him the rank of Lieutenant for the song.

[00:46:04] It's like, what would Lieutenant Gaetano do?

[00:46:06] If he were here right now, he'd probably shoot a phaser or two.

[00:46:09] That's what Lieutenant Gaetano would do.

[00:46:12] He would take a spear or two.

[00:46:14] Cause that's what Lieutenant Gaetano would do.

[00:46:16] Not yet.

[00:46:18] Gaetano doesn't take a spear.

[00:46:19] Oh, is he the one who lives?

[00:46:21] Oh, okay.

[00:46:21] No, he does.

[00:46:22] He does not, but he doesn't, he doesn't take a spear.

[00:46:24] Latimer takes the spear.

[00:46:29] Right.

[00:46:29] Is he, is he, is Gaetano though?

[00:46:30] I always get the characters mixed up.

[00:46:32] Is he the one who, who, who does it?

[00:46:33] He's the one who makes it, right?

[00:46:35] No.

[00:46:36] Oh, he's not the one who makes it.

[00:46:37] He is not.

[00:46:38] And to be, to be clear, Latimer is killed by an actual spear, not a spear from Goldberg.

[00:46:46] Right.

[00:46:46] No, it's a literal, it's a literal gigantic plastic spear.

[00:46:50] Yeah.

[00:46:50] When he, when he took the spear, I got, oh, that guy just got speared.

[00:46:53] And as always, shame he wasn't wearing a red shirt though.

[00:46:57] Yeah.

[00:46:58] Cause when he's not wearing a red shirt, it's just sad.

[00:47:01] Just, I just wanted to walk up with like a measuring tape.

[00:47:04] You're like, what are you doing?

[00:47:04] I'm measuring you for that red shirt.

[00:47:06] Well, what's funny about the red shirt is like the opposite of plot armor.

[00:47:09] Right?

[00:47:10] Pretty much.

[00:47:11] It's like, no, no, I don't want to be a red shirt.

[00:47:15] I don't want to be a red shirt.

[00:47:17] It's just, it's, that's why the character guy in Galaxy Quest is so funny because it

[00:47:21] is just like the personification of if a guy who played a red shirt on the show found

[00:47:26] himself in a real Star Trek episode.

[00:47:28] Right?

[00:47:28] Because I'm going to die.

[00:47:30] If you'd just be terrified the whole time.

[00:47:32] You have a last name, guy.

[00:47:34] Do I?

[00:47:35] Do I?

[00:47:36] Do I have a last name?

[00:47:38] Oh, but back to the spearing.

[00:47:39] My note is what part of maintain visual contact with the ship did you not understand?

[00:47:44] Because Spock literally says maintain visual contact with the ship.

[00:47:48] And then they, they walk really far away from the ship.

[00:47:53] Funny Spock walked up and held him in his arms as he was dying and went, I noticed you

[00:47:57] didn't maintain physical contact with the ship.

[00:48:00] It's almost like someone told you to stay close for a reason.

[00:48:04] Right?

[00:48:04] Are you, are you, are you being sarcastic right now, Spock?

[00:48:08] Yeah, I think I am.

[00:48:09] Sar, sarcasm is a human emotion.

[00:48:12] But the basic premise of this episode is that a small ship is forced down onto an alien planet

[00:48:17] inhabited by giant humanoids.

[00:48:19] Don Marshall, who plays Lieutenant Boma, he's the one that makes it.

[00:48:23] Would soon star in another show called Land of Giants, where he plays the co-pilot of a

[00:48:28] small ship which is forced down onto an alien planet inhabited by giants.

[00:48:31] I just picture his agent sends him this script and he's like, giant guys on a planet.

[00:48:36] I've done this before.

[00:48:38] I got it.

[00:48:38] I have experience.

[00:48:40] Right?

[00:48:41] I'm, I'm experienced in this kind of similarly related acting.

[00:48:45] See, great Easter egg.

[00:48:46] Cause when they finally make the horrendous Netflix adaptation of Attack on Titan, this guy,

[00:48:52] this guy is Commander Pixis.

[00:48:55] I see, I, I'm not familiar enough with, uh, I know three characters from Attack on Titan and

[00:49:00] one of them is the main one.

[00:49:02] If he's still alive, I just realized, cause this man was probably at least in his late

[00:49:07] thirties by this point in 1967.

[00:49:10] Oh, that is true.

[00:49:12] That's a weird thing.

[00:49:13] At times you, when you're watching the show, because it's set so far in the future, you

[00:49:16] really don't realize how old it is.

[00:49:19] I, I, yeah, yeah, you're right.

[00:49:21] You're like, oh yeah, right.

[00:49:22] These people are old now.

[00:49:24] Well, some of them were old then.

[00:49:26] Like I'll put you this way.

[00:49:27] Was it, isn't Shatner approaching a hundred?

[00:49:29] A hundred?

[00:49:30] He's, he's gotta be.

[00:49:31] I know Betty White almost made it.

[00:49:34] She did.

[00:49:35] Did she not make it to a hundred?

[00:49:36] Uh, I don't, I think she was just a little shy.

[00:49:39] Yeah.

[00:49:39] Wow.

[00:49:40] William Shatner is 93 years old and I'll be honest.

[00:49:42] He doesn't look it.

[00:49:43] No, he doesn't.

[00:49:44] I was happy he got to go to space.

[00:49:46] That's so cool.

[00:49:48] I was like, oh, he got to go to space.

[00:49:50] Neat.

[00:49:51] Good for him.

[00:49:51] You know what?

[00:49:52] I'm okay with that.

[00:49:53] And, uh, Betty White died in 2021.

[00:49:55] Oh no, I think maybe she did make it.

[00:49:57] Hang on.

[00:49:58] I was pretty sure she did.

[00:49:59] Nope.

[00:50:00] She was 99.

[00:50:01] Ah, I found a friend who made it to a hundred.

[00:50:04] That's some crap.

[00:50:05] Oh dude.

[00:50:05] She was almost there.

[00:50:06] I'm going to count it because she was born on January 17th and she died on December 31st.

[00:50:11] That sucks.

[00:50:12] Oh, we give it to her.

[00:50:13] We give it to Betty White.

[00:50:15] She's a hungry.

[00:50:15] My favorite thing about Betty White is how Betty White you started leaning into it and

[00:50:20] eating eating, leaning into the fact that she was really old where, where it would, uh,

[00:50:25] a celebrity would die.

[00:50:26] And then Betty White would come out and be like a Betty White just wants to announce that

[00:50:30] as of this morning, Betty White is very tragically still alive, everybody.

[00:50:35] And she just did it every time.

[00:50:37] It got to be really funny.

[00:50:39] But Betty White's still there.

[00:50:41] She's good.

[00:50:42] Did you ever, do you ever watch her in hot in Cleveland?

[00:50:45] No, but that show is actually pretty good.

[00:50:48] That show is actually really good.

[00:50:49] Especially the first season.

[00:50:50] The first season is legitimately a good sitcom.

[00:50:52] I think the second season was too, but I kind of, I've heard people say good things about

[00:50:57] the guy.

[00:50:57] I've heard people say that the golden girls is like sex in the city before sex in the

[00:51:01] city, sex in the city.

[00:51:02] Yes.

[00:51:03] And no.

[00:51:03] Um, the golden girls is a much better show.

[00:51:06] Uh, but yeah.

[00:51:07] And as some, as somebody who resisted the golden girls for years, because my, my

[00:51:11] mother watched it when I was younger and I'm like, who wants to watch a TV show about

[00:51:15] a bunch of old ladies?

[00:51:16] And then I actually watched the golden girls.

[00:51:19] Oh my God.

[00:51:20] It is hilarious.

[00:51:21] Same thing happened to mash by the way, because my dad watched mash and I was like, this show

[00:51:25] looks boring.

[00:51:26] And then I wanted the, the story of how I got obsessed with mash is actually quite

[00:51:30] funny.

[00:51:30] So I got really, really sick and I couldn't sleep because you know, when you get so sick

[00:51:35] that like you try to lay down and sleep, but then you can't breathe and then you just

[00:51:38] get really frustrated.

[00:51:39] So I just, I was married at the time.

[00:51:42] So I went downstairs and just turned on the TV and candle surfing.

[00:51:45] Cause I had cable back then and mash was on.

[00:51:47] I'm like, cool.

[00:51:48] This will make me so bored.

[00:51:49] I'll go to sleep.

[00:51:50] That was my plan.

[00:51:51] My, my match story is, and it is star Trek related, believe it or not to me, mash will

[00:51:57] forever and always be the show that came on after star Trek.

[00:52:01] When, when my dad would watch star Trek, the next generation, um, when star check, the next

[00:52:05] generation ended, it went to split screen and the mash theme song would play.

[00:52:10] And then my dad would turn off the television.

[00:52:13] And so that's how I only knew the first little.

[00:52:15] And so the most mind blowing thing about mash to me was when I watched the movie and I found

[00:52:19] out that the theme song had lyrics.

[00:52:21] Yeah.

[00:52:22] It's like, Oh, but so I turned mash on with the hope of falling asleep out of boredom.

[00:52:29] And four episodes later, I'm obsessed.

[00:52:32] I mean, I hear it.

[00:52:33] I hear it's a good show.

[00:52:34] It's a really good show.

[00:52:35] And I just realized who are.

[00:52:37] So we, we, we made the joke about star Trek night shift, which actually I didn't know

[00:52:41] this, but robot chicken did a bit.

[00:52:42] I found it after we, Oh, it's, it's quite funny.

[00:52:45] Now there's this next generation, but.

[00:52:47] Oh, if I could go back in time, I know what I would do.

[00:52:50] We'd cast Alan Alda as the night ship captain.

[00:52:55] Yeah.

[00:52:56] That'd be funny.

[00:52:57] That'd be.

[00:52:57] Oh, that'd be so funny.

[00:53:00] Hey, with, with AI, we can do it.

[00:53:03] I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to disrespect Alan Alda though, which Alan

[00:53:07] Alda is still alive, right?

[00:53:09] I don't know.

[00:53:11] Yeah.

[00:53:11] I'm not a fan of bringing people back to the dead with back from the dead with technology.

[00:53:15] Not, not a lover of that.

[00:53:17] Alan Alda is still alive.

[00:53:19] Yeah.

[00:53:19] So we should get him to voice that.

[00:53:21] We should do an animated series and get him to voice the night shift captain.

[00:53:24] The crew retreat to the Galileo only to discover that the creatures seem to be preparing

[00:53:28] for an organized attack.

[00:53:30] Despite objections from the others, Spock chooses to attempt to frighten the creatures

[00:53:34] rather than killing them outright.

[00:53:35] This proves to be a miscalculation understatement of the 23rd century.

[00:53:40] And Gaetano is killed.

[00:53:41] Don't, don't the phasers have stun?

[00:53:46] Yes.

[00:53:47] I set my phasers from stun to kill.

[00:53:49] Couldn't they just stun the creatures?

[00:53:51] Well, and they seem to, so the phasers are inconsistent because they also seem to have settings.

[00:53:56] Even at the kill setting, there seem to be intensity settings.

[00:53:59] Right?

[00:54:00] So, yeah.

[00:54:01] Like surely you could have injured.

[00:54:03] One would, well, I think they already did.

[00:54:05] Well, no, I guess they did scare.

[00:54:07] But, but there's a, there's an interesting bit of cinematic trickery here.

[00:54:10] So in order to make the creatures look larger than they really were, small spear and shield

[00:54:14] props were made for the person in the costume to throw.

[00:54:18] And then the one that's dropped near the three people retreating back to the Galileo is fairly

[00:54:24] small.

[00:54:25] But in the next shot, they switched to the larger ones.

[00:54:28] And I remember watching that and I was like, wait a minute, weren't them smaller?

[00:54:32] Right.

[00:54:32] Just a minute ago.

[00:54:33] Maybe, maybe they expand with the gas on the planet.

[00:54:35] But it's true.

[00:54:36] Yeah.

[00:54:37] I think it's a scale thing.

[00:54:38] When you get closer, they look bigger.

[00:54:40] No, no.

[00:54:41] It's an actually different prop.

[00:54:42] Oh, is it?

[00:54:43] Oh, okay.

[00:54:43] Nevermind.

[00:54:43] No, because the thing, the thing is they don't really move too much from where they are when,

[00:54:48] from when they're initially thrown in.

[00:54:49] And then they, I think they cut to a closeup and then they cut back to the wide shot and

[00:54:53] the props are the shield and spear is significantly larger than they were.

[00:54:57] That's funny.

[00:54:58] Oops.

[00:54:59] And one of those things, like sometimes I'll read things like that and be like, oh, but how

[00:55:02] many people noticed?

[00:55:03] The thing is I noticed it first.

[00:55:04] And then when I saw the note, I was like, ah, I'm not crazy.

[00:55:08] That explains that.

[00:55:09] Meanwhile, Kirk searches for the shuttle, despite concerns from middle management Ferris, who

[00:55:15] is impatient to start for Moccas 3.

[00:55:17] Because of sensor interference, the shuttlecraft Columbus is dispatched to search the planet

[00:55:22] from orbit.

[00:55:24] And search parties are transported down to the surface.

[00:55:27] One of the landing parties returns with casualties and reports being attacked by large furry creatures.

[00:55:32] I really enjoyed the guy giving Kirk the report.

[00:55:35] It's just, he was just, just his casual, like, he's like, well, here's the facts as I see

[00:55:40] them.

[00:55:40] It's a shame one of our guys died, but he died.

[00:55:43] Not much we can do about that.

[00:55:44] Yeah.

[00:55:45] It's just, it's like, he's giving reporters though.

[00:55:49] It's like, like guys that go out and plow roads in the winter is like, yeah, that one,

[00:55:54] that one was a doozy guy died, but, uh, right.

[00:55:58] Yeah.

[00:55:58] Like he's, he's got like the attitude of like an old, like, Oh, one of the world dangerous

[00:56:03] job guys, like driving one of those, like being like, well, we took a header on a five

[00:56:07] 40 and we, uh, we took a WC down in AWB and he just ate it.

[00:56:12] Yeah.

[00:56:12] It's like one of the guys that built the empire state building that just walks without

[00:56:16] a harness across those beams.

[00:56:17] He's like, right.

[00:56:18] Lost Johnny today.

[00:56:20] Told him not to look down.

[00:56:21] He walked left.

[00:56:23] He should have walked right.

[00:56:24] Yeah.

[00:56:24] Yeah.

[00:56:25] Told him there wasn't a beam there.

[00:56:26] Yeah.

[00:56:27] Right.

[00:56:27] Oh, well.

[00:56:29] So they're going to hire a new guy, but there'll be a new guy here next week.

[00:56:33] Yeah.

[00:56:33] I also love the moment where the commissioner is like giving Kirk the business and he's

[00:56:36] real mad, but then another, the coffee girl brings the coffee and they both take it.

[00:56:40] And he's just like, I'm chewing you out, but coffee.

[00:56:43] This episode also establishes that there's more than one transporter room on the

[00:56:47] enterprise.

[00:56:47] Kirk clearly uses the plural transporters and all of their episodes.

[00:56:52] It's used in a singular thing.

[00:56:53] Now, my whole bit is it's established in later enterprises.

[00:56:58] There are multiple transporter rooms.

[00:57:00] In fact, Miles O'Brien at one point, I believe in the first episode of deep space nine, when

[00:57:05] he departs the enterprise D, uh, he said he ranks reference to his favorite transporter

[00:57:09] pad being number three.

[00:57:11] This is your favorite transporter room, isn't it?

[00:57:14] Number three.

[00:57:15] Yes, sir.

[00:57:15] That being said, I believe on the original enterprise a, that there is only one transporter

[00:57:21] room, but there are multiple transporter platforms.

[00:57:23] And that might be, which we all know the script just says transporters.

[00:57:27] And that's what William Shatner read.

[00:57:29] Yeah.

[00:57:29] Right.

[00:57:30] There wasn't any thought to put, to pay exactly how many there were yet.

[00:57:34] It's, it's like when they use space central, like it's on the page.

[00:57:37] This is not right.

[00:57:38] Star Trek had not reached a point of nerds in closets arguing about the semantics of the

[00:57:43] storytelling yet.

[00:57:44] Right.

[00:57:44] That comes much later.

[00:57:45] We're in season one.

[00:57:46] We're figuring it out.

[00:57:48] Yeah.

[00:57:48] This is when nerds are like, I found this show on television where they actually explore

[00:57:53] space and they use the word equator.

[00:57:56] Well, again, it's such a shame.

[00:57:58] You don't watch it because there's a reference of the Simpsons where he's like, and episode

[00:58:02] three, four, episode three dash four, five, six, you did this and you did this.

[00:58:08] Anytime you have any of those stupid pedantic questions, a wizard did it.

[00:58:13] A space wizard.

[00:58:15] A space wizard.

[00:58:16] A space wizard did it.

[00:58:18] A magical energy cloud did it.

[00:58:20] That happens a lot in Star Trek.

[00:58:22] It seems to happen a lot in Star Trek.

[00:58:24] Between boulder throwing attacks by primitive giants and quarrels amongst themselves, the crew

[00:58:29] of the Galileo attempt to make repairs on the shuttle.

[00:58:32] And then we get, we get to Gaetano's supposed death because we actually don't see him die,

[00:58:36] but it's heavily implied.

[00:58:38] But this is when the thing like Frankensteins him and like walks to him very, very, very

[00:58:44] slowly, like in a way that's parodied in other movies.

[00:58:47] It's like, it's like clearly, clearly that costume is hard, difficult to see out of.

[00:58:52] And yeah, like you need the moment of telegraphic.

[00:58:54] Yeah.

[00:58:54] You could see that moment of like, uh, and cut.

[00:58:58] It's even slower than that though.

[00:59:00] That's the thing.

[00:59:01] Cause my note is sorry, but if that slow thing kills you with its hands, that's your fault.

[00:59:04] Right.

[00:59:05] You, you, you may be deserving.

[00:59:06] You could have, you could have got away from this.

[00:59:08] I'm just saying.

[00:59:09] You could have casually strolled away from it.

[00:59:11] You could have very casually strolled away.

[00:59:13] Also we, we, we missed the bit where, um, Spock discussed, uh, leaving, uh, people

[00:59:20] behind and which he, he then immediately afterwards talks about humans, casual disregard for human

[00:59:26] life, which feels like really hypocritical consider hypocritical considering five minutes

[00:59:32] ago.

[00:59:32] He was like, you know what?

[00:59:33] You and you, you're not famous enough.

[00:59:36] You, you actually pointed out off air.

[00:59:39] There was a moment where spot kind of like sizes one of them up and it's just kind of

[00:59:42] like a moment of like, Oh no, it's, it's the, uh, it's Latimer.

[00:59:46] Latimer walks up later.

[00:59:47] They're having, he's like, he, it comes to create, like he's doing like, Oh, how are

[00:59:51] you doing thing?

[00:59:51] And it really looks like he's going like, how much you weigh about 150?

[00:59:55] 150, 160.

[00:59:57] But how much?

[00:59:58] I just, I, Oh yeah.

[01:00:00] That an off air, off air cover.

[01:00:01] I think I said, it's real convenient that the exact amount of weight just happened to

[01:00:06] die.

[01:00:08] Oh, that's lucky.

[01:00:10] It almost makes you think that Spock purposefully let them go out of visual contact with the ship.

[01:00:15] Right.

[01:00:15] Um, when he, when he carries back, I paid more attention.

[01:00:19] I think it is a dummy when he's carrying the guy back to the, back to the shuttle, the body.

[01:00:24] I think that is a dummy, but even so like, damn letter Nimoy, like the way he was carrying

[01:00:30] that thing, that couldn't have been light.

[01:00:32] Like it couldn't.

[01:00:32] No.

[01:00:33] And I, it's a touch that I like because obviously I've never, I've never carried a dead body,

[01:00:37] but we do, you know, when you do group workout classes or, and we do these in certain Krav Maga

[01:00:44] classes where you have to bury somebody dead weight.

[01:00:48] They're not allowed to help you.

[01:00:49] It defeats the point of, it defeats the point of, it defeats the point of the exercise.

[01:00:54] A dead weight human being is very, very heavy.

[01:00:56] Even someone who's smaller than you, like it's dead weight.

[01:01:00] It's, it's very, very heavy.

[01:01:02] Yeah.

[01:01:03] I mean, to be fair, and I've noticed this a few times, get later Nimoy.

[01:01:06] He, I didn't never realize until doing this show how big a guy he is.

[01:01:11] Like again, I mean, I, I assume that the thing he was carrying was a dummy, but even still,

[01:01:15] like he looks like a big guy.

[01:01:17] And like, I think that really serves to be like, Oh, Vulcans are just big.

[01:01:21] They're just bigger than humans.

[01:01:22] Well, they're certainly stronger than humans.

[01:01:25] Definitely.

[01:01:25] But yeah, I was, I was impressed.

[01:01:26] I'm like, ah, damn, Lenny.

[01:01:28] You'd be carrying, you'd be carrying that weight.

[01:01:30] As most of their conventional fuel has been lost.

[01:01:32] Mr.

[01:01:33] Scott adapts the landing party's phasers to power the ship.

[01:01:36] His repairs are eventually successful, but Bowman will not leave without giving Gaetano and

[01:01:40] Latimer a proper burial.

[01:01:42] I have a note that Bowman is highly emotional and he's emotional outbursts.

[01:01:46] He's going to get them killed.

[01:01:48] Almost.

[01:01:49] When Spock advises against it, Bowman becomes insubordinate to what Spock responds by allowing

[01:01:54] him to funeral, which bad synopsis.

[01:01:57] That's not exactly how it happens.

[01:01:59] It's like the, how it really happens more so is Spock says, no, it's too dangerous and

[01:02:05] we don't have time.

[01:02:06] We're on a ticking clock here.

[01:02:07] And then once it becomes clear that they have a little bit of time.

[01:02:12] Because they're waiting on one last minute thing.

[01:02:14] It's kind of like, he's like, you can do it now if you want to, but you.

[01:02:18] I would discourage it actively.

[01:02:20] My thing that the moment that frustrated me was when they're like, Hey, yeah, we have

[01:02:24] to go bury this body.

[01:02:25] And Spock is like, yeah, my time would be better served fixing the thing that's going

[01:02:29] to keep the rest of us alive.

[01:02:30] And they're like, but this emotional thing.

[01:02:32] And even I'm like, I mean, Spock's being kind of a dick about this, but he is right.

[01:02:37] Like, I hate to be like, this is kind of a waste of time, but it is truly kind of a waste

[01:02:41] of time.

[01:02:42] It's one thing if they were waiting to be rescued, then yeah, sure.

[01:02:45] But it's, we're actively repairing the ship and there is a ticking clock element here.

[01:02:49] It just seems like the, like the space, space federation does not provide, or the enterprise

[01:02:56] maybe more specifically, does not provide adequate crisis management techniques.

[01:03:00] They do however, provide adequate pipes.

[01:03:03] Adequate pipes.

[01:03:05] But anyway, Spock is real cold in this episode.

[01:03:08] But another fun fact is during the scene where Scotty attempts to apply an electrical shock

[01:03:12] to force one of the aliens to release the Galileo shuttle, he wears a pair of those insulating

[01:03:16] gloves and the middle finger of the glove in his right hand can be seen clearly just hanging

[01:03:22] emptily because Jim James doing is missing that finger.

[01:03:27] Ah, interesting.

[01:03:28] I didn't, I still didn't notice that during the funeral ceremony, the creatures attack again

[01:03:34] and Spock is pinned by a boulder.

[01:03:36] Despite Spock's orders to leave him, McCoy and Boma free him.

[01:03:40] If I can sum up this episode in one sentence, it's that for a very, very smart man, Spock

[01:03:45] is stupid.

[01:03:46] I enjoyed that moment because I love how genuinely agitated he gets where he's like, what the

[01:03:51] heck guys?

[01:03:52] Why are you doing this?

[01:03:53] You're the only one I said!

[01:03:55] Like, it's a little off in it.

[01:03:57] It's a touch less fussy than that, but I mean, it's not, it's not that far off.

[01:04:02] He seems, he seems, he seems, that's the Spock equivalent of doing that.

[01:04:06] Yeah.

[01:04:07] He does seem legitimately like in a professional level frustrated at them.

[01:04:11] It's like, why?

[01:04:13] I enjoyed the moment where, where he's like, take off Scott.

[01:04:16] And he like, he gets really, he's like genuinely frazzled.

[01:04:19] And I'm like, yeah, he wasn't expecting that.

[01:04:21] Like, there's just so many moments that, although I will admit part of his, part of his like confusion,

[01:04:26] I do kind of get in that the way that these creatures are attacking are not tactically optimal.

[01:04:32] Like, like you wouldn't, like the reason why, why they attack this way is because they're

[01:04:36] so primitive, which I guess winds its way back.

[01:04:39] Like in terms of being Spock, you're like, Spock, you, once you recognize them as a primitive,

[01:04:44] like primitive, you should understand that these people probably see you as like scary monsters.

[01:04:49] Yeah.

[01:04:50] And that's, that's something not completely unrelated, but that's something where a lot

[01:04:55] of times when I'm debating somebody about insert policy here, I always come back to something

[01:05:00] resembling, you know, like all the things you're saying make sense if you're assuming that you're

[01:05:06] dealing with a reasonable person.

[01:05:08] Right.

[01:05:09] And the problem is normally when you're having these kinds of debates, one party is not

[01:05:14] reasonable, hence the conflict.

[01:05:16] Right.

[01:05:17] Right.

[01:05:17] Well, in this case, it's like, no, this is a, this is a society of people that are not

[01:05:21] at tactics yet.

[01:05:23] So no, yeah, they wouldn't know not to attack someone with a stronger weapon yet.

[01:05:26] They'll just attack.

[01:05:27] I, the, the episode I think kind of makes my opinion, the mistake of being like, oh, these

[01:05:32] creatures are acting emotionally.

[01:05:33] I don't, I don't see it as such.

[01:05:35] I know they're acting.

[01:05:36] Yeah.

[01:05:37] They're acting like very primitive, almost animal because here's the thing.

[01:05:40] Instinctually is how I would maybe put it.

[01:05:42] How, how you deal with an animal attack is very different than, you know,

[01:05:46] person becoming angry.

[01:05:49] Right.

[01:05:49] Because a person in most circumstances you can reason with, or you, you can at least

[01:05:55] attempt.

[01:05:56] You're not being a complete idiot by trying to reason with someone before it escalates

[01:06:01] in an animal attack.

[01:06:02] You can't reason with an animal.

[01:06:04] Right.

[01:06:04] These, these, these people see this creature, this big, scary monster creature, and their

[01:06:09] response to killing a creature is to hit it with sticks.

[01:06:12] That's what they're doing.

[01:06:13] Because it usually works.

[01:06:15] Right.

[01:06:15] It usually works.

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[01:09:28] Spock manages to get the Galileo off the ground by using the shuttle's boosters.

[01:09:32] As a result, the shuttle now has too little fuel to escape the planet's gravity or even

[01:09:37] to achieve a stable orbit, and there's still no way to contact the Enterprise.

[01:09:41] Spock suddenly decides to dump and ignite all the remaining fuel from the shuttle's engines.

[01:09:46] The giant flare he produces is seen on the Enterprise view screen just as the ship has

[01:09:51] left orbit.

[01:09:52] RRK immediately reverses course, and the survivors are beamed out just as the shuttle is destroyed

[01:09:56] on re-entry into the atmosphere.

[01:09:59] Fun fact, when Scotty says that they only have about six minutes of fuel left, there are six

[01:10:04] minutes left in the episode.

[01:10:05] That's cool.

[01:10:06] I love when episodes of...

[01:10:07] I love when shows or movies do that.

[01:10:09] Like it when time, unlike Dragon Ball Z, where five minutes turns into like two hours.

[01:10:15] Yeah, that last scene is very tense.

[01:10:18] It's very tense.

[01:10:19] Like when you put yourself in 1960s, again, they don't have modern day cynicism of being

[01:10:23] like, obviously, Bones isn't going to die.

[01:10:26] You think Bones might die.

[01:10:27] You still have that level of suspension of disbelief.

[01:10:30] It is very tense.

[01:10:31] All the performances are good.

[01:10:33] Um, I do think that the crew, the crew gets hysterical for like, it's just like, it just

[01:10:39] feels like none of these people are good enough at compartmentalizing for this job.

[01:10:44] I don't know.

[01:10:44] Well, the prospect of a space, a space, this prospect of a ship, you know, drifting in

[01:10:52] space is actually really scary because it's not like a ship on the water where as long

[01:10:57] as you have something that floats, you've, you've got a fighting chance.

[01:11:00] See, to me, it makes me think of being in a submarine.

[01:11:03] Like, I mean, yeah, that's scary.

[01:11:05] That that's what space travel reminds me of where it's like at any moment, something

[01:11:09] could go wrong and you could drown instantaneously.

[01:11:12] Uh, when Kirk is told that five people have been beamed aboard the Enterprise from the shuttle

[01:11:16] craft, he immediately orders Sulu to plot a course from Makos three.

[01:11:19] Yeah.

[01:11:20] Yeah.

[01:11:20] He doesn't wait to find out who got beamed up because that number is two people shy.

[01:11:24] Right.

[01:11:25] He's just like, my favorite bit is his look of just sheer relief.

[01:11:28] Don't cry.

[01:11:29] Don't cry.

[01:11:29] Don't cry.

[01:11:29] Don't cry.

[01:11:30] Don't cry.

[01:11:30] Well, not only that, he's assuming the other two are dead when he doesn't know whether they

[01:11:34] are or not.

[01:11:35] So immediately leaving orbit is like really, really rash because you would think he'd go

[01:11:39] to the transport and be like, do we need to send, do we need to rescue anybody else?

[01:11:43] Or is this everyone?

[01:11:44] Right.

[01:11:45] You know, more of his closest friends may or may not be.

[01:11:47] He, he, his brain is like Scotty, Spock and McCoy.

[01:11:51] I can, I can lose the outman.

[01:11:53] They're smart enough to live, right?

[01:11:54] They're good.

[01:11:55] They live.

[01:11:55] They're the ones that live their main characters, but back aboard the Enterprise,

[01:11:59] Kirk questioned Spock, trying to get him to admit that his final action was motivated

[01:12:03] more by emotion than logic.

[01:12:05] Spock refuses, but freely admits to his stubbornness at which the rest of the crew burst into laughter.

[01:12:12] Awfully lighthearted considering what just happened.

[01:12:15] Ending is weirdly like where it's just, they all laugh and it cuts to black and I'm like,

[01:12:19] this is weird.

[01:12:20] I mean, two people were brutally murdered by, you know, giant aliens with spears in hands.

[01:12:27] We're not going to talk about the fact that Spock was willing to just let people stay like,

[01:12:31] leave them to die.

[01:12:32] Oh, we're not going to talk about that.

[01:12:34] Cool.

[01:12:34] No, we're not going to talk about that.

[01:12:35] We're never going to bring that up again.

[01:12:37] No, but the moral of this episode story is just do your job.

[01:12:40] I will say that it's me and Spock.

[01:12:43] He has a conversation with Bones early on about leadership that we kind of share a similar

[01:12:48] sort of stance on where he's like, I could be in charge or I could not be in charge.

[01:12:53] I can take it or leave it.

[01:12:54] Although I guess by the end of this episode, he's like, how did everything go spectacularly

[01:12:59] wrong?

[01:12:59] Because there's a moment towards the end of the episode where it almost has one of those.

[01:13:02] Well, you're probably wondering how I wound up here kind of moments.

[01:13:06] Well, but the other thing you have to consider, though, is that at the end of the day, Spock's

[01:13:10] technically right.

[01:13:12] It's easy to criticize somebody when things go wrong.

[01:13:15] But imagine if, say, Kirk had been down there.

[01:13:19] Right.

[01:13:19] You know, it may have gone drastically different.

[01:13:23] They may not have ever been able to lift off the ship.

[01:13:26] Although I have a feeling Kirk probably would have been like, all right, let's go shoot every

[01:13:30] alien.

[01:13:30] Like, oh, yeah.

[01:13:32] These fans have a stun feature.

[01:13:34] Did you guys know these have a stun feature?

[01:13:35] We could just knock them unconscious.

[01:13:37] Oh, they have a stun feature?

[01:13:40] Oh, that's a court martial.

[01:13:41] It could have been avoided.

[01:13:42] Huh.

[01:13:43] Certainly they could have, like, could they not have, like, converted?

[01:13:46] No, then I guess they couldn't have gotten off the planet.

[01:13:49] But still, those fans have a stun option.

[01:13:51] That's all I'm saying.

[01:13:52] That's my summary of the episode.

[01:13:54] Another fun fact, this episode marks the first appearance of the Star Trek rank of Ensign,

[01:13:59] as Ensign O'Neill is mentioned in this episode.

[01:14:02] Oh.

[01:14:03] So Ensign is, like, that's just a crew member?

[01:14:06] No.

[01:14:07] Ensign is the first commissioned rank out of the Academy.

[01:14:11] Gotcha.

[01:14:11] So that's your lowest commissioned officer rank in Starfleet.

[01:14:16] I will eventually understand how these rankings work.

[01:14:19] An interesting other side note is, in the novel Dreadnought, it's stated that Scotty

[01:14:23] demanded and got a court martial against Boma due to his insubordination towards Spock

[01:14:28] during this incident.

[01:14:30] Spock had not mentioned anything about Boma's attitude in his own report, and as a result

[01:14:35] of this court martial, Boma was discharged from the fleet.

[01:14:38] Good.

[01:14:40] I mean, yeah, because, I mean, I get it.

[01:14:44] It's kind of like one of those things where you file a complaint afterward.

[01:14:48] Right.

[01:14:49] Yeah, exactly.

[01:14:49] There's a time and place for this.

[01:14:51] It's like, after everybody's back on the ship, you say, hey, Commander Spock did some

[01:14:55] questionable things here, and you sort that out later in the moment.

[01:14:59] Right.

[01:15:00] Not always, but there are times.

[01:15:02] You certainly don't be like, I would save everyone, even you.

[01:15:06] And you're like, okay.

[01:15:08] But he's also headily insubordinate.

[01:15:10] It's not like Spock is making a horrendous decision and he says, no, I'm refusing to go

[01:15:15] along with it because it's like, what's the Denzel Washington movie where he's in a submarine?

[01:15:19] And there's that big climactic moment where the captain and his XO have to both agree to

[01:15:25] launch a nuclear strike.

[01:15:26] And Denzel's like, no, I don't.

[01:15:29] Great.

[01:15:29] So yeah, you bring it up afterwards.

[01:15:32] Well, except in that instance, because you're not going to bring it up after a nuclear strike

[01:15:36] is ordered.

[01:15:37] But Denzel is also in a different position because he's the XO.

[01:15:41] Oh, yeah.

[01:15:42] So he's in a position to be like, yeah.

[01:15:44] Like he's subordinate to the captain, but he's immediately subordinate.

[01:15:47] But anywho, although the Galileo is destroyed, it will appear again in the episode Journey

[01:15:54] to Babel.

[01:15:55] Episodes, excuse me.

[01:15:56] Episodes Journey to Babel, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, Metamorphosis, and The Way

[01:16:01] to Eden.

[01:16:02] However, it wasn't until its final appearance that the full scale ship, remember I said I was

[01:16:07] going to touch on this earlier.

[01:16:08] So the full scale ship set was repainted and reads Galileo 2.

[01:16:14] The full size version would later undergo a major overhaul from 2012 to 2013.

[01:16:19] And the restored shuttlecraft is now permanently stationed at NASA's Johnson Space Center in

[01:16:24] Houston, Texas.

[01:16:24] So you can go see it.

[01:16:27] That'd be cool.

[01:16:28] I'd like to go see it because it looks cool.

[01:16:31] Well, when everybody patronizes our sponsors and we start getting paid.

[01:16:38] We'll go.

[01:16:39] We'll make a special trip.

[01:16:41] Well, it'd be, you know, they never let us do it, but you know, it'd be really fun to

[01:16:46] do a podcast and film an episode in it.

[01:16:48] I'd be pretty sweet.

[01:16:50] It's never going to happen.

[01:16:52] But you're like, I'm one of the guys who'll get you guys to live in the episode.

[01:16:56] And then we're just in here.

[01:16:57] It's like, wow, it's kind of sparse in here.

[01:17:00] Right.

[01:17:01] Yeah.

[01:17:01] The shuttlecraft runabouts get much fancier because by the time Deep Space Nine rolls around,

[01:17:05] they even have food replicators on board.

[01:17:08] Naturally.

[01:17:09] Naturally.

[01:17:09] Whereas this is, this is real, which not going to lie.

[01:17:13] Seven uncomfortable looking chairs.

[01:17:16] Well, no, the, the, the ones in Deep Space Nine, at least are pretty cozy, but I'm wondering

[01:17:21] now if, because this would make sense if space station runabout shuttles actually have more

[01:17:26] features because theoretically, if you're using it for a space station capacity, you presumably

[01:17:32] would be in the shuttle longer than just like a planetary exploration mission.

[01:17:36] Right.

[01:17:36] Yeah.

[01:17:37] And also I feel like maybe civilians, you want a bit more comfort, you know?

[01:17:42] Maybe, but alas, even though we had fatalities, our red shirt tally still remains at two.

[01:17:48] Got to get more people wearing those red shirts.

[01:17:51] And it's, um, it's really sad that we're sad about that fact and not happy and ecstatic about

[01:17:58] that fact.

[01:17:59] I mean, look, it's an iconic part of Star Trek lore and I've yet to, I know I have experienced

[01:18:05] that I got my first red shirt death, but like I was told it was a frequent number.

[01:18:10] Oh, it's, it's, it's coming.

[01:18:12] It's coming.

[01:18:12] But because it's been so long, um, for those of you who haven't watched the previous episode

[01:18:17] yet, when we talked about shore leave, we added a new counter because frankly, I got

[01:18:22] tired of waiting, which by the way, how did you feel about the Sulu hobby counter?

[01:18:27] I did enjoy the Sulu hobby counter.

[01:18:29] I was like, yep.

[01:18:30] I, I, I, I, I liked the graphics.

[01:18:32] I thought it looked good.

[01:18:33] Loving it, loving a good running tally.

[01:18:36] It just seems so perfect.

[01:18:38] I was like, what am I going to do for this?

[01:18:39] And then that screenshot just appeared and I'm like, that's it.

[01:18:43] That's the one.

[01:18:44] We know how much, who doesn't love a classic?

[01:18:47] Oh my.

[01:18:48] Oh my.

[01:18:50] Ah, but anyway, that was the Galileo seven, um, a bit of a cluster, but ultimately a really,

[01:18:56] really good showing for Leonard Nimoy.

[01:18:59] Yeah.

[01:18:59] I mean, it's, I look, we've been given, we've been given what's his face.

[01:19:03] A lot of, uh, uh, the one who's the one who lives, uh, we've been giving him a lot of grief,

[01:19:08] but he, it was a decent, it was a decent performance.

[01:19:11] Yeah.

[01:19:11] Like I said, he's given Spock the business.

[01:19:13] Yeah.

[01:19:13] I, I think I would have maybe preferred this episode more.

[01:19:17] It says logical inconsistencies.

[01:19:19] It says, well, there's too many that my suspension of disbelief is like, I can't, I can only do so many.

[01:19:25] Yeah.

[01:19:26] There's a touch too many, but next time we're going to be talking about the very fun episode,

[01:19:30] the squire of Gothos.

[01:19:31] And I know this is an unfair question because of time travel, but Justin, would you like to take a stab at what the squire of Gothos is about?

[01:19:39] Oh yeah.

[01:19:40] Squire of Gothos.

[01:19:41] Squire of Gothos.

[01:19:42] I think, uh, it's about, let me think, let me think.

[01:19:47] Oh, okay.

[01:19:47] You're trying to figure out how to summarize the episode that you've actually watched.

[01:19:52] No.

[01:19:53] Because even though you've seen it, it's really weird and kind of difficult to describe.

[01:19:57] It is.

[01:19:58] No, I was trying, I was trying to do a version of what I did before, which is that, okay.

[01:20:02] So there's an evil Lord named Gothos and he's the Lord, like a, he's like a, like an evil governor or whatever of like a planet.

[01:20:10] And he's got a squire that, that works for him.

[01:20:15] That is going to betray him and help Kirk defeat him in the end.

[01:20:18] Justin, you've watched the episode.

[01:20:19] You don't need to pretend for these people.

[01:20:21] Okay, fine.

[01:20:23] The next episode is, is about a crazed trickster God with seemingly supernatural powers who, uh, who with the crew of the enterprise and is highly entertaining and is very Loki, Loki coded.

[01:20:39] Very much.

[01:20:40] Yeah.

[01:20:41] It is a, it is a, it is a, and for those of you who, uh, who have it to look forward to a very funny episode to look forward to from us.

[01:20:50] It's a very, it's a very fun episode all around both originally and this one.

[01:20:55] Well, as always.

[01:20:57] Cheer the next time.

[01:20:58] Yes.

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[01:21:16] We're, we're, we're boldly going where nobody has had the spare time to go before.

[01:21:22] That was actually, I added that in because I was like, this, this is way too serious.

[01:21:27] We got to let people know what this show is about immediately, which is also why I make the disclaimer about us not being affiliated with CBS or Paramount in any way.

[01:21:35] And then immediately cuts to, but it would be nice.

[01:21:38] I love as, and I don't know if this is a reference to also starring Leonard Nimoy, but I also do like also starring Justin Spurr.

[01:21:45] I'm like, oh, poor Leonard Nimoy.

[01:21:47] He's also starring.

[01:21:48] It absolutely was.

[01:21:51] I've, yeah, I was like, I've, that's funny.

[01:21:53] I appreciate a subtle reference.

[01:21:54] What can I say?

[01:21:55] Subtle references are my favorite.

[01:21:57] And these episodes are peppered with them, especially in the edits.

[01:22:01] Cause I like, I like a good wink and a nod.

[01:22:03] I'm loving it.

[01:22:04] I'm loving a wink and I'm loving a nod.

[01:22:06] Who doesn't love a wink and a nod?

[01:22:08] Well, my favorite wink and a nod is every time we do a star, star Wars episode on Toon Talk 2.0, I always throw in a really subtle Star Trek reference.

[01:22:16] My favorite one is the most recent one where we debated about the last Jedi.

[01:22:20] But if you look up in the far right corner of the thumbnail, you can ever so slightly see the tiny, tiniest little USS Enterprise right in the corner.

[01:22:29] That's awesome.

[01:22:31] That's fun.

[01:22:32] I mean, I just love that episode because you picked up my love of the googly eyes.

[01:22:35] Who's not loving the googly eyes?

[01:22:37] You know, what's funny is I do appreciate that.

[01:22:40] And it just seemed right.

[01:22:42] Right.

[01:22:42] I just, I, they always make thumbnails funny.

[01:22:46] Either that or giving them funny hats or beards.

[01:22:48] I love giving ladies beards.

[01:22:50] I did enjoy your sex in the city movie with beards.

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[01:24:14] I love how in this episode, Spock's like,

[01:24:17] No, Mr. Scott, you can't be spared, nor can I.

[01:24:19] Quote, a Nubian prize feels racist.

[01:24:22] And then the next line he says about how he clearly captured her.

[01:24:26] Yep, it's definitely racist.

[01:24:28] See, if they'd kept Charlie around and taught the lad right from wrong,

[01:24:33] he would have been very useful against Trillane.