The Final Frontier Season 1 Episode 5: Space Drugs? Oh My!

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[00:00:09] The Final Frontier Podcast. These are the voyages of Jake Boger and Justin Spur. Our weekly mission, to explore memories of Star Trek's strange new worlds. To recall the search for new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no one has had the spare time to go before.

[00:01:16] I fucking love this episode. I cannot stress that enough. I had a great time.

[00:01:21] It was so much fun. It was genuinely very good.

[00:01:24] It was so much fun. I'm watching it and I'm like, this is why I love Star Trek. Because this is something that these super straight-laced characters are acting like fools, but they're doing it so straight.

[00:01:38] It's simultaneously hilarious. And this episode does a great job of raising the stakes.

[00:01:44] And there's tension the whole time. And you're like, this is the fourth episode that ever aired on television. And yet, it's like, it might all end right here.

[00:01:53] It does suffer from a little bit of like, you can tell who the main characters are by who gets it the worst.

[00:02:00] But, but, but, it's a television show. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, obviously, obviously, Sulu isn't gonna die like that. That much I gather. Or he's not gonna run some poor red shirt through with his rapier.

[00:02:14] Well, that's probably not gonna happen. Well, we keep in mind though, we've only seen Sulu like three times up to this point. True, true.

[00:02:21] So upon, upon first viewing, just about everybody's fair game except for like, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.

[00:02:27] That's fair. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. Especially as Scotty. Scotty's wearing that, wearing that. He's, he's new. Yeah. We'll talk about Scotty. I was very happy with Scotty.

[00:02:34] Yeah. So like I said, welcome to the final frontier. If you haven't figured it out by now, we're of course talking about season one, episode five, the naked time. I'm curious about the inflection of this title. Should it be the naked time or the naked time?

[00:02:48] Uh, hmm. That's interesting. I would, I, I don't know. The title really makes zero sense. Unless I'm missing something.

[00:02:58] I disagree because, because we'll get, we'll get to the ending later, but there, there's a certain, I don't want to give the ending away, but we talked about it last night. I, last week, I asked you if this episode involved time travel and you said no.

[00:03:12] I forgot that it did. I legitimately forgot that it did. I, I did. I forgot all about this element. So I, I don't, I don't want to give away the ending. I don't want to give away the ending yet, but when we get there, I do have an accusation to levy against you.

[00:03:26] No, I, I, I misremembered. Um, that being said, again, not spoil it. I think this is my favorite episode ending thus far.

[00:03:34] That, yeah, I completely agree. This is, well, I think he straight up, this is my favorite episode so far.

[00:03:38] It's really, it's really, really good. I really liked, I really liked the kid and I really liked his stupid face, but I just, that episode was so much fun, but like, there's some standout performances in this and we're going to get to them individually. Like Leonard Nimoy in particular.

[00:03:52] Oh, I've got, I've got some, I've got some juicy facts about that scene, but of course this episode takes place approximately because as you noted, we travel back in time technically, but takes place roughly start date 1704.2.

[00:04:07] Um, which is, oh God, I forgot. You do see Sulu's chronometer running backwards, but I had mentioned in the last episode, I believe the episode of Third Rock from the Sun where they go to the sci-fi convention.

[00:04:18] Oh yes, yes.

[00:04:18] And I forget when Sulu's going on his rant, he's like, you try to branch out as an actor, you do whatever, O'Neil, but all they want is poor Slayton, Captain.

[00:04:30] But then another time, another time he was like, he's addressing like a crowd of fans and he was like, my phenomena's running backwards.

[00:04:37] And I'm like, that's, that's a reference to this episode, which is a very, a very standout episode for George Takei as Mr. Sulu.

[00:04:47] Absolutely. But I want to, I want to note before we jump into this, my, my, obviously my, my note on Paramount Plus's episode description, which is, which is just, so this episode is essentially about the dangers of space drugs.

[00:04:59] Technically.

[00:05:00] Which we find out exists in this episode. I was very, very pleased to hear that the Star Trek future contains drugs still.

[00:05:06] That, I mean, who doesn't want the occasional space drugs? Just, just recreationally. It's, you know, your own business. That's all I'm saying.

[00:05:14] Absolutely. Fun fact too. We are now in a new year for the crew of the Enterprise because this episode takes place in the year 2266. We have been in 2265.

[00:05:23] However, if you recall during the events of Charlie X, it was around Earth Thanksgiving time. So North American Thanksgiving time.

[00:05:32] So it is a new year and nobody cared. Nobody celebrated. Nobody, uh, nobody gave two shits.

[00:05:38] Because now we can travel back in time. So time matters not where they're all going to become Dr. Manhattan. Spoiler alert.

[00:05:43] But the original air date of this episode was September 29th, uh, 1966.

[00:05:49] Written by John D.F. Black and directed by Mark Daniels.

[00:05:53] And I, I will say, I kind of, thanks, and I meant to send you this video and I completely forgot.

[00:05:57] There's a channel on YouTube that shows you the CGI differences in each episode on Paramount Plus.

[00:06:03] Yeah, I, it's crystal clear. A lot of the space shots are new.

[00:06:09] However, some, some are integrated more seem, a lot of the planetary and orbiting shots are new, but they look amazing.

[00:06:17] Well, I was going to say that, that was one of my notes was there's a, there's a shot of the planet.

[00:06:21] Any of these shots, like they look CGI. So if they look CGI, I just, I'm going for it, assuming they are.

[00:06:28] Yeah.

[00:06:29] So I was like, it could be a model thing. Cause some of those, like last time, last episode, there was those, um, background, the background, uh, environment.

[00:06:37] You, you said we're hand painted. So I'm like, there's a chance that this is a model and it's really good looking, but I, so, so anytime I see stuff that looks CGI, I, I'm like, I'm going to like, I'm just going to ask.

[00:06:49] Yeah. It's so I, my note is that a lot of the space shots are at least augmented with CGI.

[00:06:57] Like the planet was replaced, particularly in the man trap, because like looking at it now, I'm like, wow, that was obviously not from the sixties, but I think they integrate.

[00:07:07] They kind of like some of the model shots are enhanced. I'm not going to say they're outright replaced.

[00:07:12] Um, but it's integrated quite seamlessly. It's not as obvious as the purple space cloud.

[00:07:18] No, that was pretty obvious. Yeah.

[00:07:20] Um, but this adventure begins with the enterprise arrives at dying planet side 2000.

[00:07:25] Their mission is to observe and document the planet's breakup and to retrieve a research team stationed down on the planet surface.

[00:07:33] Mr. Spock and Lieutenant junior grade Joe Tormelin beam down and find the researchers life support system shut down.

[00:07:42] And the team frozen to death one fully clothed in a shower.

[00:07:46] Okay. So, so that, that was supposed to be fake ice, right? Cause I did have a question about the fake ice.

[00:07:51] Oh, we're going to get to the base. I fake ice, but, uh, one was, one was seated at the control console as if nothing was wrong.

[00:07:58] And one they found Spock noticed had been strangled. What, what do you got on the fake ice?

[00:08:04] I was just going to ask what's it made of? Cause I couldn't tell.

[00:08:07] Um, actually this is great. Cause my first thought was like, this is the sixties. Was this all asbestos?

[00:08:12] That's what it kind of, well, I was thinking, um, Oh, I don't know what it's called.

[00:08:16] That's which is why I didn't specifically name it, but, Oh, you know what the shit you spray out of, uh, fire extinguishers.

[00:08:22] That's exactly what it was.

[00:08:23] Okay. Cause it looks just like that. Yeah.

[00:08:25] That is exactly what it was. It's the dry. It's from dry. It's, uh, from dry powder fire extinguishers.

[00:08:31] Oh, okay. So they just absolutely look like that. Yeah. Okay.

[00:08:34] Yep. They just went in there and went to town. Um, and while we're talking about what's it made of,

[00:08:38] what do you think their, uh, bio suits were made of?

[00:08:41] Well, I did, I had a question about the suits. I have a couple of questions about the suits,

[00:08:45] which is they're just, it's supposed to be cold where they are, right? Like freezing cold.

[00:08:49] Yes. So like, there's just a lot of open space for cold air to get in. It doesn't seem like it's

[00:08:54] keeping them very warm. It's one of those things.

[00:08:57] He just at one point like opens it up and touches himself.

[00:08:59] Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like, okay, I'll suspend my disbelief and say it's sealed

[00:09:03] maybe. Cause I mean like they take a white suit, for example, it's flexible and you know,

[00:09:07] blah, blah, blah. But when he reaches his hand up into his mask, I'm like, no, he'd be dead.

[00:09:10] Well, my, my favorite, I mean, I have a note, which is Spock's Spock's advice,

[00:09:14] not to touch anything comes immediately after the guy touch, he gets shit on his hand and then

[00:09:18] immediately touches his face. It just makes me think of like, uh, when we talked about,

[00:09:24] when me and Jordan talked about alien, we got a comment that was like, uh, first thing to learn

[00:09:28] in an alien movie, don't touch shit in space. That's what this reminded me of like, dude,

[00:09:32] you're, you're, you're on a planet. Why would you immediately touch yourself? Like

[00:09:37] it's weirdly, it's weird advice coming way too late. So one of my notes is why would you take

[00:09:42] your glove off on an alien planet and then touch your face? Taking your glove off is bad enough.

[00:09:46] It's one thing. Yeah. But this is space. This is science 101 on earth. It applies like 10 times

[00:09:54] more in outer space. Right. And then I also, yeah. And I also had written a lot of that. If this

[00:10:02] episode has a flaw, there's a lot of things that happen in this episode, just because the script

[00:10:07] needs them to happen. A little bit. I will say a little, I will, to, to go, to go real back to

[00:10:12] the, to the outfit. I will say their texture was odd to me. Like I, I keep fixating on clothes. I don't

[00:10:18] know why, but just like the texture of their, of these, whatever the heck kind of suits they were

[00:10:22] supposed to be were very strange to me. They were shower curtains. It looked, okay. Okay. Now that

[00:10:28] you said that, that makes total sense because the pattern on, on them was, it looked like a lot of

[00:10:34] this, a lot of the show to my enjoyment, but maybe, maybe to his agedness looks like a lot of like,

[00:10:42] Hey, we found this in a closet five minutes ago and it looks science fiction.

[00:10:48] And especially when you remember the fact that a lot of sci-fi conventions and cliches originate

[00:10:57] from the show. So for sure. I mean, this show is the reason why fan fiction exists.

[00:11:02] It is. And the term Mary Sue, it is because of Star Trek.

[00:11:07] It's the whole, the very first fan fiction is a Star Trek fan fiction. And I, I don't know who it,

[00:11:12] I, I, I, at one point knew the name of it, but I, I, cause I've, I watched as real quick aside.

[00:11:18] Uh, I've watched as a really good documentary, um, that, uh, Tom Felton, the gentleman who plays

[00:11:24] Draco Malfoy did about fans. Um, and, and he sort of went into the history. That's where I kind of

[00:11:30] learned that, that yes, Star Trek, but there's a really kind of interesting moment in that documentary

[00:11:34] where he, he's, it's about him getting to know a woman who's a really big fan of his

[00:11:39] and her relationship to the franchise. And at one point he meets a couple of fans who are dressed

[00:11:44] as, um, Bellatrix and he's playing with the wand and he's like, oh, this is like right out of my

[00:11:49] childhood. And that moment kind of blew my mind. Cause I was like, that has a completely different

[00:11:54] context to him, like a completely different meaning. And yeah, that was so fascinating.

[00:11:59] Just very good documentary. Very.

[00:12:01] Well, to go down that rabbit hole. So the term Mary Sue is also from that exact same fan fiction

[00:12:06] because the girl that wrote it, I forget how old she was. I think she was 15, 14 or 15.

[00:12:11] She wrote a fan fiction in which she is not only the object of affection for Captain Kirk,

[00:12:18] Mr. Spock and Dr. McCoy, but at one point, at one point she is placed in command of the

[00:12:23] ship by Captain Kirk because of her undeniable.

[00:12:27] Mary Sue?

[00:12:27] Yes. At least in the story.

[00:12:29] Oh, in the story, her name. Oh, I thought her real life name was Mary Sue.

[00:12:32] I think it is. I think her real life name is Mary. Cause she, she was, she self inserted herself

[00:12:40] into the fan fiction.

[00:12:42] What, what mess, what mess that? I, I, I, man, I have so many questions about Mary Sue.

[00:12:46] You know what we'll do? You know what we'll do? Get us to a thousand subscribers. Okay.

[00:12:52] You're the fans. When we get to a thousand subscribers, we'll do a live drama.

[00:12:57] We'll get people from the podcast network. We'll do a live, we'll do a special episode

[00:13:01] with a live dramatization.

[00:13:04] Oh, I've never read it. I'm like, my, my fascination with it is just like, what must

[00:13:08] that feel like to have your name weaponized in modern times in such a, in such a negative

[00:13:13] fashion? And that must not feel good. I, I, I just can't believe the first fed fan fiction

[00:13:17] was from a woman. Like just the notion.

[00:13:21] I will just like in what year would have that have been like, like 1970s, 1980s, a female,

[00:13:26] a woman would be like, I like star Trek. Like we've just kind of made women feel comfortable

[00:13:32] in space. At least I find like.

[00:13:35] Star Trek was quite popular with female viewers.

[00:13:38] Even in the sixties. Yeah.

[00:13:41] See, this is me coming in as a, this is why I'm, I'm, I'm glad we're doing the show because

[00:13:45] for me, the cultural perception and zeitgeist of star Trek has always been that it's a male

[00:13:50] dominated men like this men, nerdy guys who look like me. Like that's no, absolutely not.

[00:13:55] Um, there's a documentary Trekkies, which we will go over. There's going to be a season

[00:13:59] we do that's kind of like quirky and parody stuff. And we'll, we'll talk, we'll watch the

[00:14:03] documentary Trekkies. There are people to get married in Star Trek uniforms and like, and

[00:14:09] there's some, I'm just going to say there's girls that cosplay as Star Trek characters and

[00:14:15] characters other than seven of nine. Uh, but realistically, if you watch Star Trek Voyager,

[00:14:20] you're a Trekkie. Like that's not a show that you find by accident. Um, and I mean,

[00:14:26] these are, I hate to say it this way, but I'll just say it. They're not unattractive.

[00:14:30] Fair, fair. Oh, okay. Fair enough. Hey, look, man. I, I, I cannot, I'm sitting here in a

[00:14:36] Star Trek uniform talking about Star Trek. I live in two glass of the house to throw stones.

[00:14:41] Who are we to talk? And I'll never like, cause the thing about it is at least this is my

[00:14:44] perspective. Star Trek is sexy as a show. And what I mean by that is it's got all, it's

[00:14:50] got all the fun of Star Wars, but it's also got the mental sophistication, not to say that

[00:14:54] Star Wars is dumb, but Star Trek is a little bit more sophisticated. It is a little bit

[00:14:59] more closer to reality. It's still science fiction, but I mean, I mean, I know people

[00:15:04] are trying to invent a lightsaber. True. But think about all the inventions we already

[00:15:08] talked about one thing about all the inventions that exist in the world today because of

[00:15:12] Star Trek. My, I, I used to, my, my, my dad's a major Trek and I used to be like, dad, what's

[00:15:17] like the one thing, modern technology that blows your mind? And he pulled out his smartphone

[00:15:21] and went, I used to watch this shit on Star Trek. Like, like that's like, that's what, yeah.

[00:15:25] But, but, but to tie it, to tie it back to the episode. I mean, at the end of the day,

[00:15:30] at the end of the day, this is a data path. It is it's Star Trek technology. I mean, windows,

[00:15:35] but I was going to say in terms of the show being sexy, this episode was way sexier than

[00:15:39] I was expecting. It was in a couple of different ways. Yeah. It's quite a bit more sexy than I

[00:15:44] was expecting. But yeah. So the suits for shower curtains, which I got to kick out. Cause at

[00:15:47] first I thought it was like, it kind of looks bubble wrap-y, but it's too colorful. So

[00:15:51] it's gotta be something else. It looked odd. Like the texture looked odd. I'm like, I don't,

[00:15:56] but to be fair, this is not the first time I've questioned safety, safety equipment in

[00:16:00] the Star Trek universe. I mean, to be fair, also I've seen worse from newer shows. So yeah,

[00:16:07] that's true. That is true. I, but again, I love, I love like, to me, shit, like the shower

[00:16:13] curtain safety equipment is what makes the show shows like shows like this timeless, where

[00:16:17] it's like, they had probably had like five minutes. They needed something. They're like,

[00:16:21] just make it happen. So we already talked about how Tormelin immediately touches his face.

[00:16:29] Dude, you're an officer in Starfleet. Yeah. Well, is he, is he not there as like, like,

[00:16:35] isn't he not there as Spock on a scientifically based expedition? Like, yes, like, like surely

[00:16:40] there has to be, but also his work. I mean, I imagine we're going to, we're going to get,

[00:16:46] we will, because I have a note about his insecurities as it were, he has a particular

[00:16:51] set of insecurities. So him just touching his face does align with those insecurities. In

[00:16:55] my opinion, like he doesn't, he doesn't, I, he doesn't really belong there, I guess would

[00:17:00] be my, or at least he doesn't feel he belongs. Yeah. He doesn't feel he belongs there,

[00:17:04] but yeah. So anyway, after all, after all this happens, the landing party returns to the

[00:17:08] enterprise and are examined by Dr. McCoy who finds no medical issues and allows them to return

[00:17:13] to duty. And in this scene, we also get some, the first of many instances of casual racism

[00:17:19] from Dr. McCoy. Yeah. I, I mean, I constantly notice that the casual sexism, but I, there is,

[00:17:26] there is a bit, there's a bit, I think it's, I think I noticed the racism less because of

[00:17:30] how astonishingly multicultural that ship is. So like, I think I'm like, I give it kind

[00:17:35] of a pass. Well, and, and, and then, so here's the, this is something that I often ponder

[00:17:39] too. Which is probably bad. I mean, yes and no. And this kind of goes into it. So I often

[00:17:45] ponder, like we can all agree that racism among human beings is stupid, but when you're talking

[00:17:50] about aliens, cause like, and I think about this with fantasy too. So I'll use orcs as an

[00:17:57] example, like in many fantasy novels, orcs are at least the way they're characterized and

[00:18:03] don't, please don't attack me in the comments. They're fictional. They don't exist. They're

[00:18:08] not real things, but they're, they're basically until very recently, like with the Warcraft

[00:18:14] movie, um, they're basically portrayed as pure evil. Yeah. More or less. Well, yeah, Warcraft

[00:18:20] did kind of, in, in the Lord of the Rings context. Yes. But if you're a big Warcraft guy, they

[00:18:25] are a, they are a nuanced race of creatures, but I do get your point. Yeah. So we'll, we'll

[00:18:30] go Lord of the Rings orcs here. Yeah. Um, they're pure evil. So I mean, okay. And probably

[00:18:36] a better example, cause you guys just talked about this, the xenomorphs and alien. Yes.

[00:18:40] Yes. Yeah. You know, I can, to a point I could probably, depending on the context, I could

[00:18:45] probably understand a little bit of xenophobia when it comes to alien species. Sort of.

[00:18:49] Yeah. Not saying that the Vulcans should be. Oh, you're referring to, I'm so sorry. Sorry.

[00:18:54] Just, I just clicked. You're referring to his, his alien racism. Yes. Not, not. Yes. Oh,

[00:18:59] okay. I don't see, I don't think. I don't think. What was his human racism? No, I thought

[00:19:04] you were, I thought, I thought you were saying that he was being racist to humans and I was

[00:19:07] like, Oh wait, was he? I missed that? Sorry. Yeah. I completely forgot what you, I don't

[00:19:11] think, I don't think I didn't find that moment. Maybe that's, maybe that's it. I didn't find

[00:19:15] that moment to be right. Maybe that making, taking a crack at his green alien blood. But

[00:19:19] to me that just seemed like levity, like humor, like. Yeah. And spot, and spot, and spot

[00:19:23] gives it back all the time. So like I said, like, that's why I said casual racism. Cause

[00:19:28] it's not like McCoy, but here's the thing. And this is why I do kind of sort of call it racism.

[00:19:33] It makes me wonder because much like we'll see in Star Trek enterprise, Captain Archer does

[00:19:38] have some, at best it's resentment towards the Vulcans as a race, as a society. And it

[00:19:46] kind of sticks. So I'm wondering, and even though he ends up having a better relationship

[00:19:51] with DePaul, um, and the Vulcans as a whole, there does seem to be some lingering feelings

[00:19:57] there. So maybe, maybe McCoy's got, even though spot, he eventually, I mean, spot's his friend,

[00:20:03] but they eventually get closer and closer as the, you know, series goes on, but they do often

[00:20:08] butt heads. And one of the first things that they point out about each other is the differences

[00:20:13] between Vulcans and humans. Assuming you call that green stuff in your veins blood. The readings are

[00:20:19] perfectly normal for me, doctor. Thank you. And as for my anatomy being different from yours,

[00:20:24] I am delighted. Here's what I will say. So this show takes place culturally in the, in the real

[00:20:30] world. This show treats Spock as though he's a figure of respect, right? Yes. Very much so.

[00:20:37] So, so this show has the perception that alien species are worth respecting, at least in my opinion,

[00:20:42] that's how I see it. But if you go to like the eighties and particularly, I bring them up as an

[00:20:47] example all the time, but Steven Spielberg's perception of aliens is kind of, it's kind of

[00:20:52] mind blowing to me in the sense that he sees them as beings capable of interstellar travel. They,

[00:20:58] they can come here in a plan of ship. We can't even comprehend. So therefore they must be vastly more

[00:21:05] intelligent than us, but yet they can, in the case of close encounters of the third kind can only

[00:21:10] communicate in what is ostensibly Morse code, like, like fancy space, Morse code. So clearly he thinks

[00:21:17] that they're dumb enough that they can't achieve basic inter, but, but in Star Trek, Star Trek is like

[00:21:22] Spock is an alien. He speaks English. He can speak to us, but Steven Spielberg, his perception. So he has

[00:21:27] that air human arrogance to assume that, Oh, they, they can't achieve something that we can.

[00:21:33] And I think that this show has an interesting perspective of no, we would see each other's as

[00:21:38] equals. Right. Or another example I use is ET who comes here and we just treat him like he's a

[00:21:44] fucking house cat. Like, like to me, that's, that's, that's the difference in perception of alien kind,

[00:21:50] where it's like, it demonstrates a level of, in the case of Steven Spielberg, I would argue human

[00:21:57] arrogance that, that just doesn't exist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm forward thinking in that regard.

[00:22:02] Maybe Gene Roddenberry just was more forward thinking. I would, I would make the case for yes,

[00:22:06] because he was adamant about wanting it not only to be multicultural, multiracial, but also multi,

[00:22:11] like multi species. I was going to say also to be fair, Spock is the only alien on that ship,

[00:22:16] at least as of yet. I think it, as far as being a member of the crew. Yes. And I think that's a

[00:22:23] budgetary thing. However, once you get to the animated series, because of the abilities of animation,

[00:22:30] you do get to see some more alien species. If I remember correctly, there's a cat woman.

[00:22:34] Interesting. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. But I mean, even to be like, I mean, I, Spock, you,

[00:22:39] you, you, you've slapped some, some ears on them, but even to be like, in my opinion, oh, this is.

[00:22:45] Yeah. Like we talked about last week, ESP people who have ESP and, and, and then we keep going to

[00:22:52] the Orville, but to be like, oh, here's a race of people who are just psychic. They, they look like

[00:22:57] us. They're huge. They look like us identically, but they're not, they're psychic. Then, then that

[00:23:00] way you can include another alien person to make it more diverse. Yeah. And thankfully too,

[00:23:05] because it's one of the best things about Star Trek is the, the, the, uh, just the variety of

[00:23:11] species that serve with a common goal. Once you get to next generation, I mean, right out of the gate,

[00:23:16] you've got Worf, who is a Klingon. You've got, uh, Deanna Proy, who is a, uh, scare not Worf.

[00:23:22] What's the, what's the one who, what's the one who always is given, um, uh, what be the business?

[00:23:29] I want to say Quark. Quark's, uh, Ferengi from, um,

[00:23:33] Ferengi. Ferengi used to scare the crap out of me when I was kids.

[00:23:36] Yeah. I love the, I love the Ferengi. I love it.

[00:23:38] I just, I remember, I remember my, when my dad used to watch Star Trek, they, they used to scare

[00:23:42] me so bad. Like they were, they're freaky looking. I don't know what it is, but yeah,

[00:23:45] these kids are some great prosthetics, but then you have Deanna Troy, who's a Betazoid.

[00:23:49] And then you get to deep space nine. You, you learn about even, even in next generation,

[00:23:53] you get introduced to the Bajorans who are basically humans just with a ridge on their nose.

[00:23:58] It's a very subtle difference. Um, they must be the, they must be what the Salayans are

[00:24:03] referencing. I know that's my, that's my thing with, with, with, uh, make up wise. I'm constantly

[00:24:07] trying to think, what is this a reference to?

[00:24:10] I mean, maybe, uh, there's some slight differences. Um, makeup wise. Yeah, probably it's, it's very

[00:24:16] similar to the Bajorans, but I love the Bajorans as a, um, which they really dig into it in deep

[00:24:22] space nine, but the Bajorans as a group of characters and as a culture is very interesting,

[00:24:27] but I digress. We're still on the original series. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have ground

[00:24:31] to cover, but so anyway, while having lunch, Tormelin begins to act rationally expressing

[00:24:37] hostility towards other crew members and threatening Lieutenant Sulu and Riley with a knife before

[00:24:42] turning it on himself. This is also the first time we ever see a food replicator in Star Trek.

[00:24:48] I'm really, Joe, I'm really frothing at the mouth for, for my first, uh, redshirt death.

[00:24:52] So I, once again, is it, is this our first redshirt? No, it wasn't our first redshirt.

[00:24:56] No, it was not. And then, um, fine. I said that looks like a fun medical bed, the one where

[00:25:01] they've got them and then just flip them. Oh, that at least looks useful. We should get more of that.

[00:25:05] And then we're talking about the guy with the knife. It's the guy, the guy needs to compartmentalize better.

[00:25:11] Well, not only that, I noticed that as they're struggling, nobody gets up to help. Not a soul.

[00:25:17] It's a room full of people and nobody gets up to help.

[00:25:20] We talked about space madness where he brings up, where McCoy brings up space madness.

[00:25:25] Yeah. Which I imagine that's, that's just a thing.

[00:25:27] What is exactly space madness? Is it similar to like, to like ship madness or?

[00:25:31] Yeah, I would, I would think so. I actually, yeah. And I would actually think that that would be

[00:25:37] not necessarily common, but it wouldn't be super rare because I mean, think about it. You're,

[00:25:41] you're in the middle of deep space. That's, that's gonna mess with you.

[00:25:44] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:47] That's, that's, that's, that's why I understood. That's why the, uh, and I don't imagine it, we,

[00:25:51] we, it exists yet, but that was the just, or the, the thinking of the holodeck was to keep

[00:25:56] people from going insane. Yeah. And it's one of the, and it's one of the things that I think they

[00:26:01] touch on a deep space nine is they talk about how, like, since you're on a space station,

[00:26:05] it's while it is remote, there is a planet right there. So yeah. Yeah. It can, it can help you

[00:26:11] from getting so stir crazy. Um, we, we talked about, uh, they have drugs in the Star Trek future

[00:26:16] already, which I appreciate it. Did, did I see 3d checkers this episode? Did we already talk about

[00:26:21] 3d checkers? It, I learned that in Charlie X, I'd never noticed it before. I think we did see in

[00:26:27] the background again, but it was when Spock was playing 3d chess with Charlie. I noticed the 3d

[00:26:32] checkers board and I'm like, I never noticed that. I just, I didn't notice it that time.

[00:26:37] I noticed it this time that they're playing 3d checkers and I'm like, I need to know how,

[00:26:41] how that affects things. This doesn't seem like a very, I mean, 3d chess, I kind of get,

[00:26:46] because it adds another element. Um, what does 3d checkers do? That's my thing.

[00:26:51] I don't know. Now I want, now I want to know, but, um, right. Um, and then, and then Sue,

[00:26:56] sorry, Sulu, Sulu comes back, which my note of previous episodes, not enough Sulu,

[00:26:59] perfect amount of Sulu in this episode. Um, I want to bring up the fact that he mentions how,

[00:27:05] um, Sulu is trying to get him in the botany lab. Last week it was botany. He was trying to get me

[00:27:10] interested in last week. He was all about, he's like, he's like, he tried to, he tried to get me

[00:27:14] into botany last week. So to answer the question of what happened to the botany lab, Sulu's just over

[00:27:19] it. He did. Oh man, that's hilarious. I didn't even put some, yeah. So Sulu's just jumped hobbies.

[00:27:24] Yeah. He's jumped hobbies now. He's over, he's over the, uh, he's over the botany lab. And then

[00:27:29] honestly, I've got Sulu is the star of the show. It was like, I tried botany, but the thing about

[00:27:33] clans is they're so boring. Yeah. He's, he's into this week, this week he's into, he's into fencing.

[00:27:40] That's what he said into this week. And then, yeah, then now that we're on the, the scene with the

[00:27:44] butter knife, I just said, he's going to stab him real good with that butter knife. Yeah, he sure is. Um,

[00:27:48] the wound is not life threatening, but in sickbay, he dies after a successful surgery to McCoy's

[00:27:54] bewilderment. Yeah. The only, the only thought I had is as they're doing a surgery, I'm like,

[00:27:59] I know it's the 23rd century, but shouldn't they still be wearing surgical masks if there's an

[00:28:04] wound? Yeah. He died from butter knife stabbing. Yeah. That would be a real, but McCoy does point

[00:28:10] out. It's like, it wasn't that much damage. He shouldn't have died. But as we know, it's not.

[00:28:15] Yeah. Yeah. It's not from the wound. It's because he lost his will to live. Um, I said the scene

[00:28:21] where he's threatening to kill himself, threatening to kill himself is I said, it's theoretically a

[00:28:25] tense scene. It is a tense scene, but it's because for me, it wasn't super tense because, but it became

[00:28:31] more tense retroactively because the character did end up dying. But I'm like, it's a butter knife. I

[00:28:35] don't find out. Yeah. I was going to say if, if, if it hadn't been a butter knife, it would have been a

[00:28:40] lot, but there would have been a lot. It was, it was in its, in its construction and how they were,

[00:28:44] how it was filmed a tense scene. Like it was like a lot of the scenes in this episode. And this was

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[00:29:29] When we last left our heroes, Tarmaline had just given himself surgery with a butter knife and died.

[00:29:36] And died. Oh yeah. I, I have a note here that just says, I definitely missed bones last week.

[00:29:41] His, his absence was felt. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, did, sorry. No, go,

[00:29:48] go for it. I was just going to say, did we skip over the bit where Sulu invited the nice young

[00:29:53] man to, to go work out at the gym with him? Not yet. We're going, which I'll go. I laughed so hard.

[00:29:57] Both Sulu and Riley also begin to behave irrationally. Sulu runs about with a sword,

[00:30:03] like a swashbuckler from the three musketeers. While Riley reveals his Irish ancestry, locks

[00:30:08] himself in engineering section and proclaims himself captain of the enterprise. Also repeatedly

[00:30:13] sings a disjointed version of the old ballad. I'll make you, well, I'll take you home again,

[00:30:18] Kathleen.

[00:30:23] Um, so this is the bit where I laughed hysterically. It's what you're talking about.

[00:30:29] I'll work. What's okay. I, so first of all, this doesn't strike people as weird. Just seeing

[00:30:35] people do this and then start acting crazy. It's kind of what it's Sheldon saying. Big bang

[00:30:40] theory. It's like, yeah. And if they had figured out to kill the guy with the sniffles, we wouldn't

[00:30:44] be having this conversation. If influenza was only contagious after symptoms appear, it would have

[00:30:49] died out thousands of years ago, somewhere between tool using and cave painting. Homo habilis would

[00:30:54] have figured out to kill the guy with the runny nose. Right. My thing with that bit is I, I,

[00:30:59] I guess because I know George Dekay's George Dekay's famously gay. Right. So I'm just like,

[00:31:06] is Sulu supposed to be like playing for both teams here? Like the fact that he's like, Hey,

[00:31:11] Hey man, you want to come to the gym with me? Nice, handsome young man. But then, but then what

[00:31:14] was weird is he come, the guy comes back and Sulu does it. Like the guy comes back to the bridge,

[00:31:20] but Sulu doesn't. So I was just like, what, what happened to Sulu? Like he just, he just seemed to

[00:31:25] disappear. And, and then it cuts to, yeah, to, to the guy wandering around the hallways or whatever,

[00:31:30] which I've got the note, my guy is space stone. Um, and then see, and then, then, yeah, the guy goes

[00:31:36] into the office and you want the, the, the show really wants to remind you that he's straight.

[00:31:40] Just, just so you're, you're, you're, you're, you're not confused. And then Sulu jumps in with his

[00:31:45] raper. That's what happened to Sulu. Sulu, he just pops back in half naked. You're like,

[00:31:49] Oh my. Yeah. But I did laugh when he was like, Hey, what do you say we get out of here?

[00:31:55] And I'm just like, who doesn't notice Sulu making a move? Is he making a move? It came across a

[00:32:02] little bit. I think that just might've been George's personality kind of leaking through a

[00:32:07] little bit, but I'm just over here. I'm like, how did, how did no one notice him leave?

[00:32:12] The bridge is not that big. He, there is, he's a bad, I think he, I think he, nah, see,

[00:32:18] I was going to say, I think he may be the best actor, but then we're going to talk about

[00:32:20] Leonard Nimoy, but I just feel like George, George Takei, George Takei, he could have had

[00:32:26] a bigger, bigger career post this. Like he's so charismatic that like, I don't know. He,

[00:32:32] he feels underserved by this material to a little bit, a little bit, at least.

[00:32:39] I had this, not this material, not this episode. I mean, I mean, generally this episode is

[00:32:44] phenomenal. Yeah. I'll put it to you this way. If, if, so like Star Trek series of today are all

[00:32:49] interconnected and it's nothing to spin off. Strange New Worlds is both a spinoff of Discovery

[00:32:55] and at the same time, a callback to, you know, the original pilot. So if Star Trek was being made to,

[00:33:02] if the character Sulu existed in a Star Trek universe today, the exact same way, I think

[00:33:07] it's a foregone conclusion that we would have gotten a series with Sulu as captain.

[00:33:12] Captain. Well, isn't he, I mean, not to leap ahead the franchise, but doesn't he eventually become

[00:33:16] captain? He does. He becomes captain of the Excelsior. Yeah. So I'm just saying, he's got so many,

[00:33:22] I don't, I don't, I don't want to say he has more charisma than, than he's got a lot of guys.

[00:33:27] He's got a lot. He's got a lot. Yeah. He's got a lot of charisma. You know what though? And I will say

[00:33:32] this, I say he has about the same amount. It's just a little bit different. It's a little bit

[00:33:38] different. But in a way that works for me. Yeah. No, I don't dislike it. I like it quite a bit.

[00:33:44] I also thought when he popped back out and he was, he was going, I thought for sure we were going to

[00:33:48] see our first redshirt death and he was going to stab, he was going to actually stab a redshirt.

[00:33:51] I was so positive. Uh, we once again got a little bit of an implication that women in these command

[00:34:00] positions is still relatively new because Riley says, yes, let the women work too.

[00:34:06] Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, his thing. And the women shouldn't wear makeup. And I was like,

[00:34:10] oh, there's that 19th. I think I said, I think he said he's a man out of the 1950s. Yeah.

[00:34:15] Love his weird 1950s attitude. Well, it's like, it's like, I, I thought the idea would have been

[00:34:21] dated even in the sixties. Oh no, I got immediately. I was like, wow, you find that on YouTube today.

[00:34:27] Yeah. Fair. I suppose. So it's just, he, Riley has his own like red pill hate channel.

[00:34:34] Yeah. And I don't like it when women wear too much makeup. He's easily though. He,

[00:34:39] Oh yeah. I said he, Kirk's exasperated eye rolls are amazing. Um, and he has to listen to the song

[00:34:44] for the hundredth time. Um, but now easily my favorite guest guest star so far, like just

[00:34:49] he is, he was very funny. I laughed so many times. It was very good.

[00:34:53] Um, but fun fact about Sulu's foil rapier, whatever you would like to call it. Um, he

[00:34:58] was originally supposed to have, well, one of the ideas is he was supposed to be carrying

[00:35:01] around a katana or they say a samurai sword, but a katana, but well, but, and this is a

[00:35:09] tribute to everyone involved. The ultimate decision was left up to Takei from the shows,

[00:35:14] from the episodes director to Kay reason. However, that by the 23rd century, these sort of like

[00:35:21] culture, I'm not going to say stereotype. What's the word I'm looking for? Like these cultural

[00:35:24] expectations. I would have said stereotype, but fair. Yeah. Well, but so I'm going to say

[00:35:30] the katana specifically, specifically Japanese because his name is Hikaru Sulu. So these sorts

[00:35:37] of cultural expectations would have been relatively a thing in the past. It's like, it's not frowned

[00:35:42] upon to be proud of your cultural heritage. As we've seen, Uru speaks many African languages.

[00:35:47] She's very much into, you know, that sort of area of her past. And then Riley himself is

[00:35:53] like, he talks all the time about being Irish. Scotty's obviously proud about being from,

[00:35:58] you know, Scottish, this, that, and the other, but it's not necessarily expected. It's like

[00:36:02] the Japanese guy didn't have to have a Japanese sword, you know, that kind of thing.

[00:36:06] No, but also Sulu strikes me as a well-read character, if that makes any sense.

[00:36:09] Very, very.

[00:36:10] So like he reads high-class books. So it makes sense to me that he'd be into fencing. Like

[00:36:14] it's just a character choice that makes sense to me for that character.

[00:36:17] So yeah. Well, actually I remember watching an older interview with George Chiquet where

[00:36:21] he talked about, he said, well, when I was a kid, I didn't pretend I was a samurai. I

[00:36:24] pretended I was Robin.

[00:36:26] The man who wrote that script, John D.F. Black, happened to be visiting on the set,

[00:36:33] about, oh, about a month before we actually filmed that. And he told me that he was preparing

[00:36:41] this script where this virus invades the members of the crew of the Enterprise through the palm

[00:36:49] of our hand. And it destroys all inhibitions. And we start acting out on our deep down hidden desires.

[00:36:59] And he said he was thinking of putting a samurai sword in Sulu's hand. And he goes around

[00:37:07] accosting everybody with the samurai sword. And I said, well, that's ethnically consistent because

[00:37:13] I'm of Japanese ancestry. But I said, you know, Sulu is supposed to be a 23rd century guy.

[00:37:20] Now I'm a 20th century Japanese American. And I didn't play samurai as a kid. And I said, if anything,

[00:37:32] after going to the movies and seeing Earl Flynn as Robin Hood, I came back home, had my mother make

[00:37:40] me a Robin Hood outfit. My backyard became Sherwood Forest. And I organized the neighborhood kids. And we

[00:37:46] had make-believe Robin Hood in my backyard. And I was Robin Hood.

[00:37:54] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:37:56] And it's like, and if that's how it was growing up, you know, in the 40s and 50s, I would imagine by the

[00:38:01] 23rd century, it would be very much the same. However, we take a few steps back in the 2009 film

[00:38:09] when Sulu is still in defencing, but his weapon of choice is a collapsible katana.

[00:38:14] Oh, I just see. Oh, I see. That's no fun. See, it would have been way more fun. See, I see. I don't get

[00:38:18] the, I didn't, I wouldn't have gotten that. I think that, I think that now retro, retrospectively,

[00:38:22] retroactively way more fun if you had had just a rapier.

[00:38:25] I agree.

[00:38:25] That's a character choice I wish they had stuck with. I think it's fun.

[00:38:28] Well, not to mention the way that katana unfolds, it would be basically useless because it would be

[00:38:32] hollow except for the tip.

[00:38:35] True. Yeah, that's true.

[00:38:36] So I'm like, this, this weapon is useless. However, a collapsible rapier might actually be plausible.

[00:38:42] Yeah. Yeah. Do they, no, I don't know if they exist. I know. Do they have ones that just spring

[00:38:47] out? I appreciate it, but they're not lethal.

[00:38:49] They have collapsible batons, for example. I mean, I would think, but yeah, just give the man a rapier.

[00:38:53] I love how it's a, it's a, it's a short that's sharp though. Like, because like.

[00:38:57] I have a note on that, um, actually, because fencing foils are blunted at the tip.

[00:39:03] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're not sharp.

[00:39:05] But, but there's a moment that alludes to the fact that Sulu has de-blunted it because

[00:39:11] Kirk goes to move it away and then feels the point and.

[00:39:15] He's like, ow, sharp. Yeah.

[00:39:16] Yeah. He's like, it should, because he even goes open, because you should, fun fact.

[00:39:20] Um, I used to fess.

[00:39:23] Oh. So I learned it once in high school.

[00:39:26] I used to, I used to fence Epe competitively. Um, I was not, well, officially I fenced Epe,

[00:39:34] which was a mistake, but I wanted to be able to hit the whole body because I fight dirty.

[00:39:37] But unofficially I was champion of double saber fencing. I was okay at saber, but for some reason,

[00:39:44] if I had two, I was, I was good. I don't know. I don't know what it is, but, um, I can,

[00:39:50] I can vouch a foil with people on tape because we learned to use them all. And then we picked

[00:39:54] which one we liked better to actually compete in. But yeah, like I said, Kirk goes to like

[00:39:59] flat point, move it and then realizes it's sharp and goes, Oh shit.

[00:40:03] Yeah. Yeah. That's what made me go. Oh, I thought maybe he was going to like, like in his drug

[00:40:08] out brain, like secure a red shirt. Sure. We were going to see a red shirt. However, however,

[00:40:14] it's worth noting, even though they are blunted, they are still dangerous because I'll name drop

[00:40:18] you because dude was a badass when this happened. Uh, competition gentleman by the surname, the

[00:40:27] last name of Rasmussen took an Epe, uh, into his arm and it went in probably about three inches.

[00:40:35] I would guess two to three inches. Wow. It was gnarly. It was gnarly. And just, I mean, he,

[00:40:43] he didn't have a choice. He kind of had to grin and bear it. Yeah. And then he stood, he stood

[00:40:49] there with it in for a while because they weren't sure if he should pull it out or try to cut it out,

[00:40:54] you know, like put a local on it and then cut it out and then stitch it up. But they were like

[00:40:58] debating for a while. And then finally they just, I think they elected to cut it just to be safe

[00:41:03] because they weren't sure how deep it went into the muscle. So they figured, I don't know,

[00:41:08] but I mean, he just stood there and I mean, it was hurting. You could tell him certain,

[00:41:13] but Rasmussen, you're a, you're a beast. You are a champion. Anyway, everybody who's acting

[00:41:19] erratically, whoever touches their skin also starts showing erratic symptoms and the infection

[00:41:26] quickly spreads to the crew. As they abandon their posts, the ship's orbit destabilizes and

[00:41:32] falls into the planet's erratic gravity. Well, as the Enterprise enters the upper atmosphere,

[00:41:36] the hole begins to hint. This is the part that I really started getting in because at first it was

[00:41:41] kind of fun. And then when this started happening, I was like, oh, I actually feel the tension and

[00:41:46] this is good. Like this is really good. It's the high, I think it's the highest stakes the show's

[00:41:51] been so far. Certainly. Yeah, most definitely. This is also the first episode we see when, uh,

[00:41:57] Spock subdues Sulu. It's the first time we see the Vulcan nerf pinch. Oh, is it? Unless I missed that.

[00:42:03] Dang it. Yeah. And then Spock is sassy in this one. Did you hear his D'Artagnan joke?

[00:42:09] No, no, I missed it. Take D'Artagnan here to sickbay.

[00:42:13] I actually had to rewind it and make sure Spock said it and Kirk didn't say it because it was very

[00:42:18] jarring for Spock to be, for Spock to be sarcastic. And I'm like, Spock's a little sassy for somebody

[00:42:24] who's not supposed to have any emotion. But did he say that after he, interesting.

[00:42:29] After he nerf pinched him and he goes, take D'Artagnan here to sickbay. And I'm just like,

[00:42:34] So is it possible? Ah, that's interesting. Because I have a note, because obviously,

[00:42:38] obviously, I have a note about when Spock, what happens to Spock next.

[00:42:42] So did he get, did he pick it up when he pinched, uh, Sulu?

[00:42:48] See, it's implied that he doesn't, but I, I'm kind of thinking considering how-

[00:42:53] He's touching, I was gonna say he's touching Sulu's naked, sweaty chest.

[00:42:57] Well, it's, it's implied that he gets it from Nurse Chapel. However, as quickly as it seems to set in,

[00:43:04] I think he probably did get it from Sulu.

[00:43:06] That's what I'm saying.

[00:43:08] That's my headcanon anyway.

[00:43:10] Because like, yeah, it seems to imply that it's, it's how it happens way, but he sort of barely

[00:43:14] seems to touch her.

[00:43:17] Well, not only that-

[00:43:18] It didn't occur to me that he would have got it from Sulu. I thought he got it from the nurse,

[00:43:21] but now that you're saying that, I'm like, maybe he got it from Sulu.

[00:43:23] Well, that's what I'm saying. It's, I think it's kind of a, not a mistake, but I think it's

[00:43:27] something they didn't really think too much of in, in the, in the teleplay of it all.

[00:43:31] Because they, the scene very heavily implies that Spock gets it from Nurse Chapel, but it

[00:43:35] happens instantaneously and it hasn't happened that quickly with anyone. So it makes sense.

[00:43:41] And it kind of happens with Kirk too, because they imply that he gets it from Spock. But again,

[00:43:45] it happens instantaneously. Whereas it makes more sense that they would have both contracted

[00:43:51] it from Sulu. Yeah. Yeah, it absolutely does. Yeah.

[00:43:55] But yeah, so Spock, I mean, I laughed at the joke, but I was like, that seems like, I think

[00:44:00] that would have been more appropriate coming from Kirk. But like you said, maybe, maybe it

[00:44:04] was early onset. I don't know. And the other note I had is I get that the ship is heating

[00:44:09] up, but surely a starship is capable of entering a planet, a planet's atmosphere.

[00:44:14] I mean, well, I mean, I could see maybe the argument for it, the gravity affecting it.

[00:44:19] But that's, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Maybe it's the speed and maybe, maybe it's going too

[00:44:24] fast because of the sudden shifts in gravity. Yeah. Like there is a, there's a major, like,

[00:44:28] yeah, like you said, major shift in gravity. This is really cool. So that handheld device that Spock

[00:44:34] is using to figure out the time they have before they, uh, before planetary impact, that's an actual

[00:44:41] E6B flight computer, which pilots still use today, but that's what they would have used in like

[00:44:46] the second world war to figure out all this. So it's a manual instrument. And I just thought

[00:44:51] that was really cool that they included it and didn't just say, Oh, he's looking at a computer.

[00:44:55] But like, like they said, the note I said is pilots still use them today. And I always liked the fact

[00:45:00] like, it's like sailors still use a sexton today, or at least some do. And it's like tools that are

[00:45:07] like timeless and how effective they are. Well, and it's kind of like, Hey, people still use rulers.

[00:45:11] They're a thing. I mean, people still use compasses like, yeah, exactly. So I always,

[00:45:18] I always say now because of all the stuff. Well, but I do, I always enjoy seeing the, um,

[00:45:23] the inventions that stood the test of time, even in futuristic settings, because it's like, Hey,

[00:45:28] if you don't have a computer, you can still calculate. And I like, I like that. Right. Right.

[00:45:32] Chief engineer Scott regains control of engineering from Riley, but Riley has shut down the engines.

[00:45:37] It will be impossible to restart them by normal procedures before the enterprise burns up in

[00:45:42] the planet's atmosphere. While this is happening. Spock becomes infected when nurse chapel takes

[00:45:47] his hand and confesses her love for him. Yeah. I was going to say all the, I have a note that

[00:45:51] says all the ladies want Spock. I have a note that says, why do all the chicks like Spock?

[00:45:56] Yeah. I would say apparently the ladies just want Spock is specifically what I wrote, but I actually

[00:46:01] have an answer to this question. I figured it out after I had written my outline. It's because he's aloof.

[00:46:07] It's because he's not chasing any of them.

[00:46:09] She's going to say it's that stoicism.

[00:46:11] That's what it is.

[00:46:12] Stoicism.

[00:46:13] Yep. That's well, it's not just the stoicism, although don't get me wrong. It's, it's,

[00:46:17] it's the fact that he's not chasing any of them because he's not interested.

[00:46:22] Yeah. So that.

[00:46:23] Yeah, absolutely. Well, apparently he is interested.

[00:46:27] I'm not interested.

[00:46:28] So I now want to make a short, have you seen that, uh, that, uh, Chad Riz filter going around

[00:46:34] on Tik TOK?

[00:46:35] No.

[00:46:36] I kind of want to put it on Spock now. I'm going to put it on, uh, Kirk, Spock and McCoy

[00:46:40] and see.

[00:47:07] Bet you Spock will have the most Riz with the Chad gin.

[00:47:10] That's no, I mean, like, Hey, look, it's demonstratable. I thought Kirk was the one getting

[00:47:15] all the ladies that they got the cultural perception, but not Spock boss getting all the ladies.

[00:47:19] Well, that's the irony because if Spock were trying, he would be getting more than Kirk.

[00:47:24] That seems so good though. I mean, it goes on in my opinion for like a hair too long. Um,

[00:47:29] but like it is like just like him, like being conflicted while the bridge keeps calling different

[00:47:34] people from the bridge keep calling them. It's so good. It's, it's such a good scene.

[00:47:38] So, cause we're going to dig into that a little bit more, but one thing I do like to mention

[00:47:42] this episode illustrates perfectly is the professionalism of the entire crew because they are literally

[00:47:47] careening to their deaths and yes, who is trying to get ahold of people, but it's procedural.

[00:47:54] It's not ascended into chaos. Everybody's doing their job. And it's like, again, this is one

[00:47:59] of the things that doesn't get touched on as much in Star Trek, but the professionalism of the crew

[00:48:05] at virtually every turn is just right. Well, I like how it's fiction. Right. But yeah.

[00:48:13] I enjoyed the moment later where Swerve Kirk freaks out at, Oh man, I have so much trouble

[00:48:18] remembering her name, but the yeoman, uh, the blonde, the blonde woman. Yeah. He just like

[00:48:22] yells at her and then immediately is like, I'm sorry. Oh no, that's a horror. Yeah.

[00:48:27] Oh, it wasn't her he yelled at. Yeah. He's like, he's like, could you turn it off? She's like,

[00:48:31] in fact, don't you think that if I could, I would. And they both have this moment. They're like,

[00:48:34] I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm so sorry. That wasn't cool. I'm, I'm stressed.

[00:48:39] That's my bad. And I appreciated that. But Hey, for 1966. Yeah. He would have like,

[00:48:44] like in any other context, he would have been okay for him to tell it, tell her to shut up.

[00:48:48] And she would have like, like, yeah, for night that that's, that's pretty forward thinking

[00:48:52] for the time. It absolutely is. That's good. That's good for 2024. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:48:57] So, so you better believe it's normal in 2266. Um, but the, the moment immediately after the

[00:49:05] scene with him and, uh, with Spock and the nurse where he's trying to stay strong and

[00:49:10] he breaks and he cries for a moment and he goes back to being strong again, damn, that's

[00:49:13] good acting. Like that's just good acting. So it was, that was originally supposed to be

[00:49:17] a comedy bit. And Leonard E.M. was like, no, I want to, I want to do something different.

[00:49:23] So good. RIP to the goat, man. He's got good instincts. Like that, that, that was, that

[00:49:28] was, that was, that was power, power, not powerful maybe, but like effective.

[00:49:32] Very powerful. It was powerful. And there's a couple of fun facts. So that was all, um,

[00:49:37] that was all one take. No way. Well, if you notice it's a long shot, I think they cut back

[00:49:43] to it, but the scene where he's actually breaking down, that's all one long shot where the

[00:49:47] camera moves in and it was improvised by Leonard Nimoy. Cause that scene was not in the script.

[00:49:53] Cause the one where the one, the post one where he's freaking out by himself, that, that

[00:49:58] was all improvised when he goes into the room by himself and he's doing that big long, long

[00:50:03] monologue about how he has to have control or whatever. And he's alone. And then he starts

[00:50:07] all improvised. That was, yep. That was all, but that's, that's why, that's why it doesn't cut

[00:50:13] because the scene was never blocked. It was an improvisation by, by Leonard Nimoy.

[00:50:18] And I know for that scene is just damn Leonard Nimoy.

[00:50:20] Well, another, another fun fact, um, apparently after this episode aired, Leonard Nimoy's fan,

[00:50:26] fan mail increased exponentially, particularly with female viewers.

[00:50:31] I can see that. Yeah. Do, do, do the Emmys exist at this point?

[00:50:34] I'd have to look. I'm not sure.

[00:50:35] It's like Emmy, give that man an Emmy. Like, like it's good. It really is. It's legit good.

[00:50:41] Um, also just a kind of a side fact. I don't know if this is right. Cause I, have we seen

[00:50:46] Nurse Chapel before?

[00:50:47] No, no. Okay. We haven't. I thought we had, but this is the first appearance of Nurse

[00:50:52] Chapel, who, if you all recall from the first episode, this is Gene Roddenberry's, uh, uh,

[00:50:57] girlfriend.

[00:51:00] Oh, so that's why she gets to be in love with Spock. That makes sense.

[00:51:03] Yeah.

[00:51:03] She gets to confess her love for Spock.

[00:51:06] Well, I, cause here's the thing. I think that in his, I think in his mind, Gene Roddenberry

[00:51:11] is Spock.

[00:51:13] Interesting. I would have said he thought he was Kirk, but I could see it.

[00:51:15] Well, but let's, let's remember the pilot though. Pike is much more similar to Spock than he

[00:51:20] is to Kirk.

[00:51:21] True. That is true. Yeah. Kirk is so wildly different from Spock. Yeah. I could see it.

[00:51:26] I could see it.

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[00:54:34] podcasts. And now back to the show. The next, the next scene is him, is Kirk confronting Spock,

[00:54:41] right? So my, my, my, my three notes are, um, Spock takes those slaps like a champ, just,

[00:54:47] just consistently. Well, to be fair, uh, it's, it's, I don't think they've outright said it yet,

[00:54:52] but it's implied, it's implied in the Mantrap that Vulcans are significantly stronger than

[00:54:56] Terrans. That's my next note, which is Spock must be strong if one slap makes Kirk's mouth bleed and

[00:55:02] Spock just takes a bajillion slaps to the face and he doesn't even react. He just thinks them like

[00:55:06] they're nothing. Oh, so which by the way, um, for those of you who aren't aware, you may have

[00:55:11] noticed I said the word Terran. The reason being is that in, it's technically correct. Um, human

[00:55:18] is in Star Trek, they tend to use humanoid instead of human, but Terran specifically refers to

[00:55:23] a human being from the planet Earth. Oh, okay. That makes sense. So not, not Earthling.

[00:55:29] I mean, that would also be appropriate, but Terran would be a, Terran would be a species name. And fun fact,

[00:55:35] because this will surprise no one. I used to speak a little Klingon. Oh, and the Klingon word for human

[00:55:44] is Tarach, Tarachnan. Oh, I've heard that one before. Which is, which is a derivation of Terran.

[00:55:51] Oh, interesting. Interesting. Tarachnan, geez. That's how you say I'm, I'm a Terran.

[00:55:57] And then, um, my other, only other note about the scene is that Kirk wants to, and I, I, I wish I

[00:56:02] could remember her name consistently, but I just can't, which is that Kirk really wants to bang his

[00:56:06] Yeoman, which just makes sense. This is the second time it's implied and it's not the last.

[00:56:11] Yeah. Kirk really wants to bang Yeoman Rand. It sort of surprised me in this, in this episode,

[00:56:18] because his, his sights really seem to be set on Ohura. Like him and Ohura, when they had that

[00:56:22] moment we mentioned earlier, there seemed to be some, some tension there. There is. Oh,

[00:56:26] oh gosh, I forgot. I forgot the next episode. Yeah. It's implied in this episode. It's outright

[00:56:31] stated in the next episode. Interesting. Interesting. But yeah, I was like, oh yeah,

[00:56:36] it makes sense. I mean, she's, she's a pretty girl. Yeah. I could see why he would. See,

[00:56:41] I guess it depends on what you're into more. Cause like Ohura has got the brains, not to say

[00:56:45] Yeoman Rand is stupid, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She definitely, they definitely seem to be

[00:56:50] given her like, she always just comes kind of seems to be, um, I don't know how to put it,

[00:56:56] but she always seems to be at the center of the shenanigans. Like she has victimized the most.

[00:57:02] Yeah. I don't remember her being around that much from when I watched it previously, but yeah,

[00:57:07] she's been in the bulk of the episodes. Yeah. Well, it's like to me, to me, when it comes to Star

[00:57:12] Trek, like the lead characters are obviously bones, Sulu, Chekhov, Kirk, Spock, and then Ohura.

[00:57:17] But yeah, I had, I had no clue who Yeoman Rand even is, but she's been in this show a lot

[00:57:22] where I'm like, she's not one of the iconic, in my opinion, anyway, not an iconic character.

[00:57:27] No, but she's in the thick of it.

[00:57:29] A lot. Yeah. So that's where my question is always like, when does she just, I assume

[00:57:34] she disappears at a point. Like she's not in the whole show. It's not that iconic.

[00:57:37] I think she bounces in and out.

[00:57:40] McCoy studies blood samples from his patients and water from the planet's surface and finds

[00:57:46] that the water from the planet possesses a previously undetected complex chain of molecules

[00:57:50] that affects humanoids like alcohol, depressing the centers of judgment and self-control in

[00:57:55] the brain as transmitted by touch specifically through perspiration because it's water.

[00:58:01] My question is, and I don't have a note for this, but my question to that would be, I mean,

[00:58:05] surely you could find a way to like monetize this.

[00:58:10] Yeah. Yeah. You would think, I think you might want to, I think monetization might be.

[00:58:16] In a controlled fashion.

[00:58:17] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's not like they can go get more though. That's the problem. And

[00:58:21] you want to get rid of it. I don't know. You would think though, like if you're a really

[00:58:24] dirty capitalist for, which, but also is it the whole point of the Star Trek future is that

[00:58:30] capitalism no longer exists? Like, do they not, do they not exist in a post-capitalist society?

[00:58:34] They, they technically do. Although I think there's some debate on that because I mean,

[00:58:38] Star Trek personnel are still paid for like discretionary spending. Like, um, so I would

[00:58:45] say earth of Star Trek's future exists in a state, not so much post-capitalism, but post-scarcity.

[00:58:54] Meaning that you no longer have to buy food, but you can as kind of a luxury item because

[00:58:59] like, uh, Benjamin Sisko's father owns a restaurant where he cooks real food. It's not replicated

[00:59:04] and that kind of stuff.

[00:59:05] Cause like my understanding of the Star Trek features was that it was utilitarian. Like

[00:59:09] that was the whole, that was the whole deal.

[00:59:11] I mean, yes, but I mean, people still want entertainment, right? And it still costs money.

[00:59:17] Like it no longer costs money theoretically, like as far as clothes you need, those can be

[00:59:22] replicated. Food you need that can be replicated. Parts you need that can be replicated.

[00:59:27] But if you want to eat at a restaurant and D space nine does a really good job of illustrating

[00:59:33] this because partially because the Ferengi are capitalists on steroids, which I make the

[00:59:39] case. They're not capitalists. They're corporators. They're just greedy, like to the point of sin.

[00:59:44] Um, but like courts, people gamble and you need money to gamble. So theoretically, I mean,

[00:59:50] it would make sense. A Starfleet employee or officer or personnel, whatever, have to be paid

[00:59:56] something because the, their needs are all met, but people still would want, which they're probably

[01:00:03] paid very little, but discretionary spending is still a thing.

[01:00:08] Cause, cause not to once again, compare it to the Orville, but in the Orville, they exist in a

[01:00:12] post-capitalist society. Money doesn't exist in their universe. It's all based on reputation and,

[01:00:16] and, and skill. It's not based on money.

[01:00:18] And that's, that's Seth MacFarlane's politics coming out a little bit.

[01:00:22] Yeah. So I, I just, my politics sort of similarly aligned. So I just, I just think that's interesting

[01:00:27] that Star Trek does. I always, I always thought that that idea of a post-capitalist society,

[01:00:31] that was a Star Trek thing. I thought that came from Star Trek. So it's interesting to just

[01:00:35] hear that it doesn't.

[01:00:36] I mean, it, it kind of does. Cause I'm not, I'm not saying that it's not, but I think people

[01:00:41] who say that Star Trek is communist are taking it a little too far because they're still that I,

[01:00:46] again, I'm, I'm being very precise here. I would make the argument that it's not so much

[01:00:51] that Star Trek is anti-capitalist or not capitalist. They're just in a post-scarcity society, which

[01:00:58] would mean, I mean, I guess it's kind of a, it's kind of a utopian viewpoint, whereas everybody's

[01:01:04] basic needs are met. Like if you need medicine, it's plentiful. If you need food, it's plentiful

[01:01:10] because it can be, it can be replicated. Once the food replicator is invented and can

[01:01:15] restructure matter into food, starvation is a thing of the past because there is no, there's

[01:01:20] no reason to not feed everyone then because there is literally no scarcity. But after you

[01:01:26] take care of the needs, people still will have wants and that will still require money.

[01:01:32] Gotcha. Okay. That makes sense. That makes a certain amount of sense.

[01:01:34] I may or may not have thought about that in philosophical debates with people for too long.

[01:01:39] I'm like, yeah, but people still want to buy stuff, want to have fun. Like jewelry is

[01:01:44] still a thing, which actually fun fact of jewelry is actually a really good example.

[01:01:48] Look at illustration because there's been an uptick in lab grown gemstones, particularly

[01:01:54] diamonds. But, and the whole diamond industry as a whole anyway is manufactured scarcity because

[01:02:00] Oh God, what's the De Beers owns, which they don't own as much now, but I think at one point

[01:02:07] they own like 80% of the diamond inventory and now I think it's 60 something, but it's still

[01:02:11] manufactured scarce. If they were to release all the diamonds into the market, they would

[01:02:16] become very, very cheap. But now that we have sort of industrialized the lab growing of diamonds,

[01:02:25] lab grown diamonds are chemically identical to diamonds. Like it's not, it's not fake.

[01:02:30] It is a diamond, but they're much cheaper to make. They're much cleaner to make and they

[01:02:36] don't exploit, you know, labor in the third or second world. So I'm actually a really big

[01:02:41] fan of lab grown gemstones. Actually, I don't know if it'll show up, but sorry, we're taking

[01:02:46] a turn, but I don't know if this will show up, but I recently, are you familiar with the

[01:02:51] gemstone called Alexandrite?

[01:02:52] Alexandrite?

[01:02:53] Sort of. I recognize the name, but I can't put it to anything.

[01:02:56] So this is a gemstone that under sunlight, under sunlight it appears green, but under lamp

[01:03:04] light it appears red. And I don't know if this will show. It's probably going to look like

[01:03:08] a little bit of both right now because I have, I have really high temperature.

[01:03:15] I can see the red in it.

[01:03:17] Yeah. I have really high temperature LED bulbs in here. So it kind of, yeah, that's showing

[01:03:22] pretty dark, but it's still showing some of the green. Again, you can't see it very well.

[01:03:26] No, it looks mostly dark to me, but this is a lab grown Alexandrite, but the thing of it

[01:03:31] is, and this is why I nerd out on this, this is lab grown because the color is a little

[01:03:35] bit differently. Natural Alexandrite tends to have a little bit more of an emerald green look,

[01:03:41] whereas this is a little bit more bluish green. And then the red Alexandrite tends to look

[01:03:47] a little bit more ruby, although sometimes it's deeper, but this one has more of a fuchsia

[01:03:51] red. So you can see a difference, but if this were not chemically the same as Alexandrite,

[01:03:58] it wouldn't, like from a chemistry standpoint, it would not change color like this. So that's

[01:04:03] a very good example. Yeah. Fun fact, I'm starting to get into jewelry making and I

[01:04:11] have a very good source for lab grown and natural gemstones, which I found by accident.

[01:04:18] Oh, interesting. I bought, that's a 1.8 carat Alexandrite, which you can't even find.

[01:04:25] Well, you can, but it's, it's expensive. I look, when I was on my cruise, there was, we

[01:04:30] heard about a store that had a three carat Alexandrite stone. Guess how much they wanted for it?

[01:04:37] Uh, I have no, I have no point of reference. I'm going to guess a grand.

[01:04:42] A hundred and fifty seven thousand dollars. Yeah. Wow. But he offered, he offered to go

[01:04:48] down to 110,000 for me. What a deal. I mean, three carat Alexandrite, that's a big stone. That's

[01:04:56] super rare. So yeah, sorry about that. But so the lab grown time, that's what I'm getting

[01:05:00] at. Lab grown gemstones would be sort of a thing. So like when you can make them in

[01:05:05] a laboratory, people still want to buy them though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fair point.

[01:05:10] Yeah. So you're not going to give them away for free because it still takes time to make

[01:05:14] and all that jazz, but yeah, it's just significantly cheaper than the natural ones. Actually, there's

[01:05:20] a great line in third rock from the sun where Dick is looking at an engagement ring and he

[01:05:23] goes for a diamond where I'm from. We use the big ones for door stops. Yeah. Yeah. Typically.

[01:05:30] Yeah. There's a lot of, a lot of science fiction that are like diamonds are not that rare, man.

[01:05:34] McCoy administers the initial doses to the command crew and allow them to bring the ship back

[01:05:39] under control in the nick of time. I kind of thought about it's kind of like speed in a

[01:05:44] way, the movie speed because I can get to the comparison. So we get another ripped Shatner

[01:05:50] shirt though. Cause it's, it's supposed to be really dramatic, but I laughed at it. Cause

[01:05:55] McCoy just walks up to Kirk and Kirk's like one step away from being like administer, you

[01:06:00] know?

[01:06:01] The moment where he walks out and then McCoy just like rips off his shirt. Like you couldn't

[01:06:06] have like just lift up his shirt, like his sleeve a little.

[01:06:10] He doesn't have to because we see in previous episodes and later that a hypospray needle can,

[01:06:15] a hypospray goes through clothing.

[01:06:18] Okay. Why did he rip his clothes?

[01:06:21] I don't know. It was great.

[01:06:23] That was my favorite moment where you're right. I wasn't, I did not read that sequence as

[01:06:27] being dramatic where he just calmly walked up, stands there and then McCoy rips his shirt

[01:06:31] off and then sprays him with it. Like, why did you rip his shirt? I don't understand.

[01:06:36] It makes no sense.

[01:06:37] So, but I'm going to read the synopsis of how they get the ship back. Cause this is,

[01:06:41] this is great. So Kirk orders Scottie to make a full power restart of the warp engine. Cause

[01:06:49] it's a very dangerous process that mixes matter and antimatter in a cold state to create a controlled

[01:06:54] implosion and drive the ship away from the planet. This is suggested by a theory postulating a

[01:06:59] relationship between time and antimatter, but it has never been attempted before. The restart

[01:07:05] is successful propelling the enterprise at impossible speed away from the planet into a space

[01:07:19] light. To me, there's absolutely time travel in this episode.

[01:07:21] Jake forgot.

[01:07:22] I mean, they didn't, they didn't, they didn't go back very far, but still there was time travel.

[01:07:26] They went back like a day and a half and I was a little disappointed that like, it didn't

[01:07:30] turn out that everyone who died was somehow still alive in this timeline, but like.

[01:07:34] Well, relativity, right?

[01:07:36] Yeah, that's true.

[01:07:37] Time can only affect you if you're still alive.

[01:07:40] True, true, true.

[01:07:42] But now, but now, well, they are still three days older, but they relativity is a bitch.

[01:07:50] And so it does that mean they went three days in the past? Does that now mean that in this

[01:07:53] timeline, there's now two enterprises or are they always, is it predestined time travel

[01:07:58] or are they always destined to go back to that, to that moment and like re go on or what

[01:08:03] is it like?

[01:08:03] Like there's no consequences to the time travel explored at the end of this episode.

[01:08:07] Well, this is back when time travel, I call it the back to the future style of time travel

[01:08:12] where time is linear.

[01:08:13] So except later there's an episode where they establish a parallel universe.

[01:08:17] So I don't, but that's not really described as time travel in Star Trek.

[01:08:21] It's described as a parallel universe.

[01:08:23] Well, I might, that's my big criticism of, of the MCU generally is that they don't differentiate

[01:08:29] between what is an alternate timeline and what is an alternate universe.

[01:08:34] Because, well, they're speaking from a science fiction standpoint, they're two different

[01:08:38] ideas.

[01:08:39] Well, I know, but the MCU describes the multiverse theory, in which case is there is no such thing

[01:08:45] as traveling back in time, because if you're traveling back in time, you're actually just

[01:08:48] traveling to another universe.

[01:08:51] Timeline?

[01:08:51] Yeah.

[01:08:52] But they've always been, whereas like this is like, yeah, okay.

[01:08:55] So they traveled three days back in time.

[01:08:58] That kind of seems like that would be a big deal.

[01:09:00] Like, hey, we just discovered time travel.

[01:09:02] That is a really big deal.

[01:09:03] They talk about it.

[01:09:05] In fact, after they come out of it, Spock comments that they now know a way to travel

[01:09:10] back in time.

[01:09:11] And I actually really like Kirk's response.

[01:09:14] This does open some intriguing prospects, Captain.

[01:09:17] Since the formula worked, we can go back in time.

[01:09:21] To any planet, any era.

[01:09:25] We may risk it someday, Mr. Spock.

[01:09:27] It's very measured.

[01:09:28] And I always like it, and this is one of the things I appreciate about Star Trek, is

[01:09:32] everybody's morality is always, to a point, always measured.

[01:09:36] So Kirk actually says, we may risk it someday, Mr. Spock.

[01:09:39] But if it's implying, it's like, not now.

[01:09:42] We've had enough.

[01:09:43] Yeah, nah.

[01:09:43] Yeah, yeah.

[01:09:44] Let's just, you know, let's simmer down.

[01:09:49] We've already escaped death.

[01:09:50] You would think, though, like going forward, that he would take that to high command.

[01:09:55] I mean, we haven't met high command.

[01:09:57] But assuming that there's a high command, you'd be like, hey, we should try this again.

[01:10:01] Oh, yeah.

[01:10:01] And I think they imply that they, well, they don't imply, but I think they do.

[01:10:05] Because, again, all their logs are, you know, sent back to Starfleet.

[01:10:10] But I actually made a note that said, there's that relativity we've been talking about.

[01:10:13] Kind of, sort of.

[01:10:14] Kind of, sort of.

[01:10:15] Yeah, yeah.

[01:10:16] I was just impressed that there was time travel.

[01:10:18] I was, I was, they literally go, ha!

[01:10:21] Like, I literally, I missed that.

[01:10:23] I was like, I knew there would be.

[01:10:25] Well, and the thing that, the reason I probably didn't remember is because at the time I didn't

[01:10:28] really understand relativity, is the fact that this is, it's scientifically theoretical, yes.

[01:10:35] But it's, as far as I understand it, it's scientifically sound.

[01:10:38] Because what it is, is they're traveling so fast.

[01:10:41] Now, the caveat is that technically, if I, again, if you're a physicist and I'm saying

[01:10:49] this wrong, correct me, please.

[01:10:51] The closer you get to traveling to the speed of light, the slower time goes for you.

[01:10:56] And relatively speaking.

[01:10:58] So, therefore, if you travel faster than the speed of light, you actually travel backward

[01:11:02] in time.

[01:11:02] The problem is, we've yet to find anything physical that can travel faster than light.

[01:11:10] We can't even find anything physical that can travel as fast as light.

[01:11:13] But the implication is, is that the relationship between antimatter and time is what causes that

[01:11:19] speed to happen.

[01:11:20] And they talk about warp as like creating a, like a, what would you call that, like a space-time

[01:11:25] bubble around the ship.

[01:11:27] And that's what travels.

[01:11:28] So the ship and its occupants don't have to dematerialize into light to travel that quickly.

[01:11:34] Which is how warp speed, because warp speed is faster than light travel.

[01:11:38] But that's what I'm saying.

[01:11:39] That's the problem.

[01:11:40] Because if you're traveling at warp speed, you're technically traveling backwards in time.

[01:11:44] Interesting.

[01:11:45] Interesting.

[01:11:46] But that's why they've come to say it's not necessarily warp speed.

[01:11:50] It's you're creating pockets in space.

[01:11:53] So.

[01:11:53] That's what they don't call, I don't think, don't they just call it warp?

[01:11:56] Like they never call it warp speed.

[01:11:57] They just call it warp.

[01:11:58] At least from what I recall in Next Generation, they only ever call it warp.

[01:12:01] I think by the time Next Generation rolls around, they correct that.

[01:12:04] But I think there's a couple of times.

[01:12:05] I could be wrong, though.

[01:12:07] Because in Star Wars, it's warp speed.

[01:12:09] Like very much warp speed.

[01:12:10] Well, in Star Wars, it's, yeah.

[01:12:11] Yeah.

[01:12:12] In Star Wars, it's light speed.

[01:12:13] No, not warp speed.

[01:12:14] Hyperspeed.

[01:12:14] Hyperspeed in Star Wars.

[01:12:16] Yeah.

[01:12:16] I don't know.

[01:12:17] I'm not a physicist.

[01:12:18] And if I was, I wouldn't be doing it.

[01:12:19] Actually, if I was, I'd probably still be doing a Star Trek podcast.

[01:12:23] Just some closing fun facts.

[01:12:24] This is the only episode of the original series where all major female crew members appear in the same episode.

[01:12:30] Uhura, North Chapel, and Yeoman Rand.

[01:12:33] Interesting.

[01:12:33] I mean, it certainly seemed like the episode with the most main characters.

[01:12:38] Like, it didn't feel nearly segmented this time.

[01:12:40] It really felt like a group effort.

[01:12:42] Yeah.

[01:12:43] Also, not a bummer ending this time.

[01:12:45] Nope.

[01:12:46] It's actually quite...

[01:12:47] It's a happy ending.

[01:12:49] I was happy about that.

[01:12:50] And there's an episode from Star Trek The Next Generation that make it now, which serves as a, well, I said a loose sequel, but it's not really all that loose.

[01:12:59] Uh, the crew of the Enterprise D goes through very much the same ordeal, and this incident is mentioned, is referenced as happening before.

[01:13:08] Very interesting.

[01:13:10] Yeah.

[01:13:10] I, I, I, as we wrap up, I do want to say just my final thoughts.

[01:13:14] Yeah.

[01:13:15] I think this is the best episode so far.

[01:13:17] Like, like legit.

[01:13:18] Like, good, like solid performances all around.

[01:13:22] The story was interesting.

[01:13:24] The dilemma was interesting.

[01:13:26] Um.

[01:13:27] The tension was there.

[01:13:29] The tension was there.

[01:13:30] The tension was there.

[01:13:30] The tension was there.

[01:13:31] The tension was there.

[01:13:31] Actually, you know what?

[01:13:32] Leonard Nimoy, George Takei, and William Shatner all brought in.

[01:13:37] They really, that, that sequence between Kirk, I mean, we, we kind of, we kind of sped, we kind of sped over it a little bit.

[01:13:42] But the sequence between Kirk and Spock, um, where they're both drugged out of their minds, and he's like, it can't be done.

[01:13:47] And they're like, are you telling me it can be done?

[01:13:49] It's just, it's genuinely so good.

[01:13:51] William Shatner's performance is kind of overshadowed by Leonard Nimoy's just awesome moment.

[01:13:57] I mean, yeah.

[01:13:58] Not to take, not to take anything away from him, but yeah, I mean, it's kind of like.

[01:14:02] As the kids say, they did not have to go that hard.

[01:14:05] But they did anyway.

[01:14:07] I was going to say, that's, that's kind of like coming on screen after Daniel Day-Lewis just like kills it.

[01:14:13] Yeah.

[01:14:13] Yeah.

[01:14:13] Well, my thing with, with Spock and the reason why it was so impressive is because Leonard Nimoy hasn't been doing much on the show.

[01:14:20] He's just kind of been there for me.

[01:14:21] He hasn't really been putting in the performance.

[01:14:23] Kirk, Kirk has really been carrying this show for me for the past few episodes.

[01:14:27] Kirk and, Kirk and Bones.

[01:14:28] I love Bones.

[01:14:29] He is so good.

[01:14:29] I was going to say, Bones, Bones was carrying the episode for the man trap for sure.

[01:14:34] Absolutely, he was.

[01:14:35] But this episode is really, it's Spock and it's Sulu.

[01:14:42] It's Spock and it's Sulu.

[01:14:43] They get the like, Sulu gets some great moments.

[01:14:47] To me, they have the two most stent.

[01:14:49] Sulu with the freaking rapier, like shirtless with the rapier.

[01:14:52] Like that and Spock, like they were the highlights for me this week.

[01:14:56] It's good shit.

[01:14:58] And as you alluded to earlier, our red shirt tally is still at zero.

[01:15:02] It's at zero.

[01:15:02] Five episodes in.

[01:15:03] I thought we were going to get it this week.

[01:15:04] Five episodes in, we still have zero dead red shirts.

[01:15:07] I mean.

[01:15:08] I, you know, pop culture has led me to believe it's a common occurrence and I'm disappointed

[01:15:13] it is not.

[01:15:14] Every time I see a red shirt, my notes go to, is this going to be my first?

[01:15:18] But it's not.

[01:15:19] I'm disappointed every week.

[01:15:20] I leave every week disappointed.

[01:15:23] Well, that was the naked time.

[01:15:25] And like you said, I just keep saying it was such a great episode.

[01:15:29] It was so good.

[01:15:31] It was so like, I, I, I've been enjoying this.

[01:15:33] Don't get me wrong, but this is like, this is the first episode where I'm like legitimately

[01:15:37] like good shit.

[01:15:38] Like I'm, I'm excited for next week.

[01:15:39] I am.

[01:15:40] I'm excited for the next episode.

[01:15:41] Next week's episode is very good.

[01:15:43] Next week we're going to be watching and commenting on the enemy within which.

[01:15:47] So Spock had his moment.

[01:15:49] Leonard Nimoy had his moment for this one.

[01:15:51] You're going to get to see some fantastic overacting for William Shatner in the next

[01:15:56] episode.

[01:15:56] Oh, oh, love me some, love me some William Shatner.

[01:16:00] I'm looking forward to it.

[01:16:01] It's going to be fun, but we will see you guys next week on the final frontier.

[01:16:11] Considering that he's playing two versions of the same person, but it's actually quite

[01:16:15] good.

[01:16:15] Just so you know, there's a second Kirk out there.

[01:16:18] Don't give him anything or help him in any significant way.

[01:16:20] Here's your phaser evil Kirk.

[01:16:23] Apparently in the original script, this scene and the scene where Scotty shows them the two

[01:16:28] dogs.

[01:16:29] Yeah.

[01:16:30] Reversed.

[01:16:31] So this.

[01:16:31] Okay.

[01:16:32] That makes this make so much more sense.

[01:16:36] Fairly.

[01:16:36] Oh, blue again.

[01:16:39] Wow.

[01:16:39] Yeah.

[01:16:39] It must be, it must be a lighting thing.

[01:16:42] You know what?

[01:16:42] It probably is now that I'm thinking of it.

[01:16:44] Cause that tends to happen at the same time.

[01:16:46] The sun is going down.

[01:16:47] So it's a really deep blue sky.

[01:16:49] And I think that light's coming in.

[01:16:51] That makes sense.

[01:16:52] So we'll just.

[01:16:52] The sun lights behind me like crazy.

[01:16:54] So I get it.

[01:16:55] Well, so maybe I'll just do my Shran impression.

[01:16:58] That's for you.

[01:17:00] Really nerdy Shrek.

[01:17:01] He's fantastic character actor who plays Shran and the Vorta.

[01:17:08] I forget the Vorta's name in Deep Space Nine, but he's very good.