The Final Frontier Season 1 Episode 7: Mail-Order Brides From Outer Space

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[00:00:09] The Final Frontier Podcast. These are the voyages of Jake Boger and Justin Spurr. Our weekly mission to explore memories of Star Trek's strange new worlds, to recall the search for new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has had the spare time to go before.

[00:01:17] Welcome everyone to this week's episode of The Final Frontier. As always, I am your host Jake, joined by my first officer, Justin.

[00:01:25] We are your crew. We are your crew of two. Howdy. Howdy. Yes, we are your crew. We are your crew of two. And this week is the first episode I didn't particularly care for. I know. I'm a shock too.

[00:01:43] Okay. I like elements of it. I was-

[00:01:47] There are good elements. There are certainly good elements, but as a whole-

[00:01:50] I was confused by the ending, but we'll get there. I didn't quite understand.

[00:01:54] The ending does not make any sense at all. But we are, of course, talking about Mudd's women.

[00:01:58] My note on the Paramount Plus description, as always, is mostly based on the title this week, which is, I thought based on the title it would have been a-

[00:02:09] I was thinking like that episode of Futurama where they go to the Amazon planet, like a Mudd planet that only had women on it.

[00:02:14] And then that's kind of what I was thinking it would be. I was very wrong. And then obviously the question is, what is the dark secret? And as it turns out, at least dark secret.

[00:02:23] It's not that dark and it's not that much of a secret though.

[00:02:26] I mean, if you-

[00:02:27] I mean, it is kind of a secret.

[00:02:28] I consider-

[00:02:29] For the 1960s it kind of is, because I have to imagine there was an element of like-

[00:02:34] They were- 1960s was very repressed, right? That was the whole thing with them? Or am I thinking the 50s?

[00:02:39] You're thinking more 50s at least, because it was about half and half by this time. Free Love was a thing by now.

[00:02:45] Yeah, yeah, fair point. Yeah.

[00:02:48] I will say if that thing actually- because I know the thing you're talking about, but you're going to have to watch if you haven't seen the episode.

[00:02:54] I know the thing you're talking about. And if that was a thing that existed, this would have been an advertisement.

[00:02:58] I mean, yeah, yeah, true. We're going to get to it.

[00:03:02] Yes, we shall.

[00:03:04] We don't want to jump the gun.

[00:03:05] Alrighty. So, this episode takes place during star dates 1329.8 to 1330.1.

[00:03:11] The show date is still in the year 2266. The original air date October 13th, 1966. Three days before my birthday. But I wouldn't be born for another 21 years.

[00:03:24] So, due with- wow, that seems like it should be longer, but it's not.

[00:03:27] Wow, I was only preceded by Star Trek for 21 years? That seems like-

[00:03:31] I was preceded by Star Trek.

[00:03:33] Wait, wait, sorry, what year was it?

[00:03:36] 1966.

[00:03:38] I'm bad at math. Much longer before 1990.

[00:03:44] Okay, so 24 years. Don't feel bad. I'm bad at math too. I just-

[00:03:49] I'm so bad at math then to do it, to pull up my calculator. It's just so much effort.

[00:03:54] I would- I would not be the one you would ask if Captain Kirk turned to me and said, how much longer do we have?

[00:03:59] I'm like, these are numbers. No.

[00:04:03] I'd be like, how- oh, oh, what? Okay, I track- I track by- I track by planets.

[00:04:10] So when we left- when we left Rigelian 9, it was 20 minutes ago. It's been 30 years.

[00:04:16] But what- what- what- what factor are we at again?

[00:04:21] Right?

[00:04:22] It's- it's just confusing.

[00:04:24] Dude, I hit the button and it goes whooshy.

[00:04:27] See, the thing- the thing- the thing-

[00:04:28] Yeah, the thing is, in the real universe of Star Trek, I would have been a red shirt.

[00:04:32] And I'm okay with it.

[00:04:33] I- I probably would have been. I probably wouldn't.

[00:04:35] I'm not- I'm not- I'm not on the deck. I can certainly say that.

[00:04:39] I can pew-pew with the best of them, okay?

[00:04:41] I- right?

[00:04:42] I can take a phase into the chest if need be.

[00:04:45] Only once, though.

[00:04:47] I don't know. Not if- not if it's set to sun.

[00:04:49] Not if it's set to sun.

[00:04:50] That's true.

[00:04:50] Not if it's set to stun, if I could talk, but that's okay because we're setting our phasers to fun.

[00:04:57] Uh, this episode was written by Steven Candle and directed by Harvey Hart.

[00:05:01] This episode, believe it or not, was actually in the running to be the pilot episode of Star Trek.

[00:05:06] This story- so I shouldn't say this episode-

[00:05:08] Because there were a lot of rewrites done, but this concept was in the running.

[00:05:14] Because I have a note here that- that's about-

[00:05:17] Uhura is- she's not wearing red. She's wearing yellow.

[00:05:19] And I was like-

[00:05:20] So, does that mean- was this earlier in production?

[00:05:23] It had to with that.

[00:05:24] Because of that?

[00:05:24] Yeah.

[00:05:25] Because I'm like, that's inconsistent with that earlier episode where obviously she's red.

[00:05:28] And in my brain, I know that she wears red.

[00:05:30] Like, that's- that's my image of Uhura wearing red.

[00:05:33] Yeah.

[00:05:34] And see, here's the interesting part.

[00:05:36] Not gold- that's right.

[00:05:36] Yeah, because this made me think.

[00:05:37] Gold is actually the least logical color for her to be wearing, being the communications officer.

[00:05:42] Now, there's some debate as whether you would consider that science or operations.

[00:05:47] I agree with the red classification because at the end of the day, talking to people and radios and communication-

[00:05:53] And she does the console, so she's operating something.

[00:05:55] Yeah, but being a linguist, you could make the case that maybe a communications officer would be wearing blue.

[00:06:00] I wouldn't really-

[00:06:02] Oh, okay.

[00:06:03] But gold?

[00:06:04] The man?

[00:06:05] Nah.

[00:06:05] Nah.

[00:06:06] And you only really see her the once.

[00:06:07] I'm like, this feels like maybe they couldn't find her costume on the day or-

[00:06:13] I thought maybe there'd be a reason for it, but they're clearly not.

[00:06:17] It's just a random mistake.

[00:06:18] I-

[00:06:19] There's one more episode where she's wearing gold, other than the pilot, obviously, because

[00:06:23] everybody was wearing, you know, gold.

[00:06:25] Yeah.

[00:06:25] And I think-

[00:06:27] I think it's the Korba might maneuver, which would make sense because those-

[00:06:31] This and that episode were really early in production, but weren't aired until later.

[00:06:37] Interesting.

[00:06:38] Okay.

[00:06:38] So that would make sense.

[00:06:40] Okay.

[00:06:40] And I just have a lot of-

[00:06:41] This episode, I wound up with a lot of questions about the inner working, because once again, you mentioned season one's before Starfleet, right?

[00:06:48] Like, this is really before Starfleet?

[00:06:50] No, it's not.

[00:06:50] It's not before Starfleet.

[00:06:52] It's just that they hadn't-

[00:06:54] Established it as a concept?

[00:06:55] They hadn't-

[00:06:56] Yeah, they hadn't established it as a concept on the show or in the writer's room, I don't think.

[00:07:00] So-

[00:07:00] So in a series of notes about questions about the inner workings of this universe, what is a registration beam?

[00:07:08] I have no idea because that's-

[00:07:10] I-

[00:07:12] I'm assuming that's like a digital license plate.

[00:07:16] Okay.

[00:07:17] Okay.

[00:07:18] I guess I'll skip ahead because I said a lot-

[00:07:20] So is like the-

[00:07:20] Are the Enterprise like space cops?

[00:07:23] Because they just kind of act like space cops a lot in this episode.

[00:07:26] So I-

[00:07:26] Whenever I think about Star Trek and the Enterprise and starships, I think about them more in the Navy.

[00:07:32] So if you're on a military vessel and you see an unidentified boat, generally speaking, you're going to ask them to identify themselves, particularly if they're in your, you know, your country's waters.

[00:07:46] Oh, okay.

[00:07:46] Because you're going to check and see if they're legit.

[00:07:48] You're going to check and see if they're pirates, if they have weapons, this, that, and the other.

[00:07:51] One of the fastest ways you can do that is with registration.

[00:07:55] Oh, okay.

[00:07:55] Because that's-

[00:07:56] Oh, okay.

[00:07:57] So that's-

[00:07:58] Whenever you're thinking about a starship acting like a cop, think about it more like a naval vessel.

[00:08:04] Okay.

[00:08:05] So is the con-

[00:08:05] Like, I'm guessing the concept of the registration beam, this is like a one time kind of only you hear about that?

[00:08:12] Or is that a thing that comes back?

[00:08:13] I don't recall it ever coming back, but it may very well.

[00:08:16] Because as we've seen, there's a lot of in these early episodes, there's a lot of one off things.

[00:08:21] In fact, there's a very glaring one here, but to get people up to speed with where we're at.

[00:08:24] While the USS Enterprise is in pursuit of an unregistered cargo spaceship, it overloads its engines while escaping through an asteroid field.

[00:08:32] Kirk orders the Enterprise's shields extended around the other spacecraft to protect it until its occupants can be transported aboard.

[00:08:38] But this action severely strains the Enterprise's systems and destroys all but one of the lithium crystal circuits in the Enterprise's warped engines.

[00:08:46] Dun dun dun.

[00:08:48] Dun dun dun.

[00:08:50] Great setup.

[00:08:51] I mean-

[00:08:51] It actually is.

[00:08:53] In the beginning, it's a really good setup.

[00:08:55] All of my notes involve the character that's coming.

[00:08:59] How much I love him and how amazing he is.

[00:09:03] Well, the Enterprise manages to beam the cargo ship's three passengers and captain aboard, just as an asteroid impact destroys it.

[00:09:09] In the transporter room, the captain gives his name as Leo Walsh.

[00:09:13] The three women who accompany him are stunningly beautiful, and they distract the male crew members of the Enterprise, excluding Mr. Spock,

[00:09:20] whose Vulcan heritage makes him immune to female charms.

[00:09:24] The women are intended as wives for settlers on the planet.

[00:09:28] Is it Ophiicus?

[00:09:29] Ophiicus?

[00:09:30] Ophiicus?

[00:09:31] Yes.

[00:09:32] Ophiicus?

[00:09:33] That's where they were headed, yeah.

[00:09:35] Yeah.

[00:09:35] Now they're going in the opposite direction.

[00:09:37] Big complaint they have.

[00:09:38] This is our first appearance of who would later be identified as Harry Mudd, but he does come back a couple times.

[00:09:45] So, um, so I just, I have so many notes on this scene.

[00:09:48] I have more notes than story.

[00:09:52] So, okay.

[00:09:53] Starting with, oh my God, the outfit.

[00:09:55] Like the outfit is glorious.

[00:09:58] The puffy shirt.

[00:09:59] My note is, is it pink?

[00:10:01] Is it orange?

[00:10:01] The belt, the hat, the mustache.

[00:10:04] And then I continued on because I taught, I wrote how much I love the accent.

[00:10:09] And then I almost forgot about the earring.

[00:10:11] So I doubled back and went also, I forgot about the, almost forgot the earring.

[00:10:14] And just, I immediately love this character and the boys are thirsty.

[00:10:19] Uh, I wrote spaces, spaces, clearly lonely.

[00:10:23] I literally wrote bones has a boner.

[00:10:25] Yeah.

[00:10:26] Yeah.

[00:10:26] Yeah.

[00:10:27] Yeah.

[00:10:27] Yeah.

[00:10:27] Yeah.

[00:10:28] The, the thirsty, the boys be real thirsty.

[00:10:30] Space is lonely.

[00:10:31] Which makes no sense.

[00:10:32] It makes no sense though.

[00:10:34] There, there are female crew members on the enterprise.

[00:10:37] It's not like it's a bunch of dudes.

[00:10:39] Oh, that's true.

[00:10:40] It is nice.

[00:10:41] Right.

[00:10:41] Right.

[00:10:42] But maybe they're all paired off.

[00:10:43] Maybe there's no single ladies on the enterprise.

[00:10:45] We don't know who are a single.

[00:10:46] Yoman ran the single there.

[00:10:48] I think virtually everyone's single.

[00:10:51] Oh, that is fair.

[00:10:52] And with the career, the career.

[00:10:54] Yeah.

[00:10:54] With a career like Starfleet, you would assume that more people would be single.

[00:10:58] Then I don't these, there are, there are characters.

[00:11:01] There are characters that are married throughout Star Trek, but they're few and far between.

[00:11:03] Most people are single.

[00:11:05] And speaking of female crew members, did you see in the background as the women are walking

[00:11:09] through?

[00:11:09] I think it's the first scene where they're walking through a hallway.

[00:11:11] There's a female crew member that does a double take too.

[00:11:14] And I'm like, Oh, it is the 23rd century.

[00:11:16] Oh my.

[00:11:17] No, I totally missed that.

[00:11:19] I was, I was so taken in by their outfits because one of them is wearing very thin sandals.

[00:11:26] And that made me question.

[00:11:27] So is the enterprise like heated?

[00:11:29] Like is the, his face is cold, right?

[00:11:31] You would think like.

[00:11:32] Oh yeah.

[00:11:32] It would, it would have to be heated.

[00:11:33] Yeah.

[00:11:33] There's, it's part of their life support.

[00:11:36] Interesting.

[00:11:36] Cause most of, cause most of the people you ever see on Star Trek, they always wear

[00:11:40] close, close toed shoes.

[00:11:42] So I'm like, I, she's wearing like really open toed sandals.

[00:11:45] Like they might, it must be like a comfortable temperature on the enterprise.

[00:11:48] I don't think that's a, I don't think that's a temperature thing.

[00:11:50] I think that's just a safety thing.

[00:11:52] Like having exposed, having exposed feet in a starship would probably not be ideal.

[00:11:57] But then again, if you can heal major cuts with a spray bottle, who gives you?

[00:12:02] So I've taken, I took over the course of this episode, several cracks at like what was

[00:12:07] going on.

[00:12:08] And so my first, my first crack at guessing what was going on is they're hookers.

[00:12:12] Right.

[00:12:13] And he's a pimp.

[00:12:14] It would explain the outfit.

[00:12:16] The outfits very pimp like.

[00:12:17] Well, the outfit is just a Halloween costume from Walmart.

[00:12:21] Like it's, I mean, but it is so, I mean, okay.

[00:12:24] Pirate.

[00:12:24] I will give you pirate.

[00:12:25] I'm just like, it's so pimp like.

[00:12:27] Yeah.

[00:12:27] But I do think that spirit Halloween here was, I mean, kind of a pimp.

[00:12:32] It's, it's like a, a broker of humans by any other name.

[00:12:35] Yeah.

[00:12:36] Right.

[00:12:37] Oh yeah.

[00:12:37] And then, uh, they bring what's a master's license.

[00:12:41] I've never heard that before.

[00:12:42] That was another.

[00:12:44] I'm assuming that's a master's pilot license.

[00:12:48] Oh, so it's like you, once again, using the, the naval metaphor.

[00:12:50] That's what kind of what I figured it was like a boating license.

[00:12:53] Yeah.

[00:12:54] Yeah.

[00:12:54] Yeah.

[00:12:55] Okay.

[00:12:55] So Spock in this episode, did you notice it's the scene where Spock brings mud and the

[00:13:02] women to meet Kirk for the first time.

[00:13:03] And then as they leave Spock, literally, first of all, he's got this smirk, like, Hey,

[00:13:09] captain, you're going to want to see this.

[00:13:10] Like, but he's also having fun with it.

[00:13:12] But then when they leave Spock literally has like tractor beam on her ass as she walks

[00:13:18] out the door.

[00:13:19] Oh, I was just going to say, it's fine that you say that Spock has his Vulcan because when

[00:13:23] they first show up, he's like, hello, the ladies are like, he was just as interested as

[00:13:28] the rest of the world.

[00:13:29] He was the first one I went.

[00:13:30] He's major thirsty.

[00:13:31] Yeah.

[00:13:32] But so he's, he's watching this girl's ass as they leave the room.

[00:13:36] And then he turns back to Kirk and just gives him like that little, like shrug.

[00:13:42] Like, once again, I'm, I'm, I'm not getting a lot of Vulcan here.

[00:13:47] I'm getting a lot of, but, uh, Spock, Spock be sexy.

[00:13:52] Yeah.

[00:13:53] Sexy.

[00:13:53] Sulu was also immune though.

[00:13:56] Yeah.

[00:13:56] Yeah.

[00:13:57] Yeah.

[00:13:57] Yeah.

[00:13:58] No, I'm just saying maybe I'm, you know, I look, you said, you said we, we saw a little

[00:14:03] lady.

[00:14:04] I look, maybe, maybe Sulu's not interested.

[00:14:07] He's not interested.

[00:14:07] And Sulu's definitely not interested.

[00:14:09] Cause he's telling Don knots over there to calm down.

[00:14:12] Right.

[00:14:12] Stop staring.

[00:14:14] Did you, did you notice that that guy is like a, not a dead ringer, but I was just like,

[00:14:18] when I saw him, I was like, why are there so many hot women in space?

[00:14:22] That's so funny.

[00:14:24] It's funny.

[00:14:26] Well, I'm just a plain looking fella.

[00:14:28] I can't.

[00:14:30] Now that you pointed it out, I can't unsee it, but no, it did not occur to me.

[00:14:35] Don knots.

[00:14:36] I will say this much.

[00:14:38] The ghost and Mr.

[00:14:39] Chicken was heavily underappreciated when I was young, but thankfully I watched it again

[00:14:42] as an adult.

[00:14:43] And I love that film.

[00:14:46] He's one of those, he's one of those actors.

[00:14:47] I only really know from what other people doing bad impressions of him.

[00:14:51] So like, that's hilarious.

[00:14:53] That's like, that's like Rex, Rex Harrison is like that for me where I just, I just know

[00:14:57] Rex Harrison through bad impressions.

[00:14:58] You should.

[00:14:59] Have you seen the ghost of Mr. Chicken?

[00:15:01] No, you should.

[00:15:02] You'd enjoy it.

[00:15:03] It's quite funny.

[00:15:03] And not in like a, Oh, this is so bad.

[00:15:06] It's good.

[00:15:06] And old.

[00:15:07] It's good kind of way.

[00:15:08] No, it's actually a genuinely entertaining.

[00:15:10] No, sometimes, sometimes.

[00:15:11] Well, I mean, I'm the kind of person where I'm like, I can appreciate an old, like an

[00:15:14] old classic.

[00:15:16] Like, Charlie Chaplin films are truly true masterwork of like physical comedy.

[00:15:21] No, that's why everybody emulated him.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:24] Oh yeah.

[00:15:25] His movies.

[00:15:26] There's like watching his movies where I mean, I had to watch like three of them in

[00:15:29] a row.

[00:15:30] And at that point they kind of suck.

[00:15:31] But, um, just don't like a lot of stuff where you're like, they don't got CGI in 1930s.

[00:15:37] Right?

[00:15:38] So like when he's jumping in like ankle deep water head first, he's not cracking his neck.

[00:15:43] You're like, that's fucking incredible.

[00:15:45] And like when I learned, um, I learned that they had escalators back then.

[00:15:48] It blew my mind.

[00:15:49] That's why I love doing that series.

[00:15:51] I learned so much.

[00:15:52] Yeah.

[00:15:53] They're in, in one of his movies.

[00:15:55] He's like in a, he's like living in a, uh, in a mall, like in a little, um, a convenience

[00:16:00] store, but like a department store.

[00:16:01] And there's one point where he's going up and down escalators.

[00:16:04] Oh yeah.

[00:16:05] Yeah.

[00:16:05] Blew my fucking mind.

[00:16:06] I was like, holy shit.

[00:16:07] Yeah.

[00:16:07] What was funny is when we were first started, when we first started doing this series, I

[00:16:11] made a note.

[00:16:13] I was like, we're automatic doors.

[00:16:14] The thing yet turns out they were, which is why it wasn't mentioned in the show.

[00:16:17] But yeah.

[00:16:18] Yeah.

[00:16:19] It was just the same thing with escalators.

[00:16:20] I was like, well, yeah, but I understand why Star Trek did it.

[00:16:24] It would have been just assumed that once you had automatic doors, they would become ubiquitous.

[00:16:29] And they did, especially in public places, not so much, you know, homes and whatnot, but

[00:16:33] aboard a starship.

[00:16:35] I could see that being a thing.

[00:16:36] Although it seems if, if, uh, if an automatic door breaks to the bridge, for example, that

[00:16:41] seems like that would be a really, really poor design.

[00:16:44] I mean, that's usually like a science fiction trope where the automatic door breaks.

[00:16:48] You can't get in the scary things trying to get at you.

[00:16:50] It's very common.

[00:16:51] Yeah.

[00:16:51] But I mean, just from a, it's one of those like, like, um, devices where you're like,

[00:16:57] you don't want to have your characters constantly having to open doors.

[00:17:00] How do you solve that?

[00:17:01] Automatic door.

[00:17:01] It's really clever.

[00:17:02] I was thinking about the, you know, I don't think I've mentioned this.

[00:17:04] I was thinking about that with the teleporter, uh, where, or the, uh, the transport room,

[00:17:10] but that's such a clever way to bypass never having to show a landing ship.

[00:17:14] That's precisely what they did.

[00:17:15] And you notice shows like the Orville make a point to be like, we have the budget for this

[00:17:19] now.

[00:17:20] Yeah.

[00:17:21] Yeah.

[00:17:22] And I'm like, yeah, it's such a clever way to be like, it's a cool, cool science fiction

[00:17:26] thing that people can emulate or utilize, but also it saves the budget.

[00:17:29] Now.

[00:17:30] Yeah.

[00:17:30] I've kind of realized that cause this episode really, I mean, the previous one did, I guess

[00:17:34] with the evil Kirk, but this one really, there's a real protracted scene of like them,

[00:17:38] like beaming up the guy that I was like, yeah, you know what?

[00:17:41] This is, I liked it.

[00:17:42] This is a cool idea.

[00:17:43] Cool concept.

[00:17:45] Um, we also hear the phrase pleasure planet again.

[00:17:48] I missed.

[00:17:49] That's so funny.

[00:17:49] Like that makes sense.

[00:17:51] Cause they were giving me pleasure planet vibes.

[00:17:53] I didn't, I didn't even.

[00:17:54] So yeah, I guess if we're keeping score, cause he's flat out says one of them was on a pleasure

[00:18:00] planet.

[00:18:00] So I'm like, okay, she is at least an X space stripper.

[00:18:04] Yeah.

[00:18:05] Yeah.

[00:18:05] Well, I mean, they were giving me, they were giving me that.

[00:18:08] Yeah.

[00:18:08] I can not to jump in.

[00:18:09] They were giving me that vibe, especially once what the nature of what they are is revealed.

[00:18:13] You're like, yeah, yeah.

[00:18:15] Now that you say that, that makes sense.

[00:18:16] Also fun fact, Susan Denberg, who played Magda, the, uh, short haired blonde.

[00:18:22] Oh yeah.

[00:18:22] Okay.

[00:18:23] Uh, she appeared in this episode only two months after revealing herself as Miss August 1966

[00:18:29] centerfold in Playboy magazine.

[00:18:31] Interesting.

[00:18:32] That's another thing I've learned about watching stuff is like, and step beauty standards

[00:18:37] has sure changed over the decades.

[00:18:39] It's I mean, not that much.

[00:18:42] These women would still be considered attractive by today's standards.

[00:18:46] I mean, I'm more meant to love the schlubby men that, that women were dating.

[00:18:51] Oh yeah.

[00:18:53] Like I watched, I watched, uh, me, me and George, we had R rated comedies.

[00:18:57] I watched porkies and I'm like, these men are awful.

[00:19:01] So I have to share this.

[00:19:02] I had an X that was, are you familiar with the show dynasty?

[00:19:05] Not the new one, the original one from the eighties.

[00:19:07] Yeah.

[00:19:08] Yeah.

[00:19:08] I'm familiar with it.

[00:19:10] Cause I know that.

[00:19:10] Yeah.

[00:19:10] I knew, I knew that the new one was a remake.

[00:19:12] Yeah.

[00:19:12] Okay.

[00:19:13] So there's a character.

[00:19:14] I believe the character's name is Mark Jennings, the tennis pro.

[00:19:18] Who's apparently the ex-husband of crystal the lead.

[00:19:22] Anyway, I saw this dude on screen for the first time.

[00:19:25] Cause I was walking by and I'm like, look, is that Ron Jeremy looking, you know?

[00:19:30] Yeah.

[00:19:30] She's like, Oh, that's, that's Mark Jennings.

[00:19:32] And then I'm like, well, I see why she divorced him.

[00:19:35] And she was like, Oh no, he was considered very attractive at the time.

[00:19:38] I'm like that guy.

[00:19:39] Yeah.

[00:19:40] I mean, the one that gets me, what the one that got me was I watched Annie Hall and I

[00:19:43] went, well, I just don't believe that any of these women would find this man attractive.

[00:19:48] I just don't believe that.

[00:19:49] It's so unbelievable.

[00:19:50] It was the least believable thing in that movie.

[00:19:52] You have to take anything Woody Allen puts on screen with a massive grain of salt.

[00:19:55] That was, yeah.

[00:19:56] That was another one I watched for a video.

[00:19:57] I've never been a Woody Allen fan because to me all his movies are just obviously his

[00:20:01] own personal pathologies.

[00:20:03] Yeah.

[00:20:04] So I'm just like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't identify with this.

[00:20:09] Therefore I don't enjoy it.

[00:20:10] But yeah, I was like, I mean, closing out the dynasty book, John Forsythe.

[00:20:15] I get like, yeah, this dude, I don't get like, like, like our friend, our friend, our

[00:20:21] virus box.

[00:20:22] So Patrick Swayze, I mean, Patrick Swayze, that man, that man's an 80.

[00:20:24] Okay.

[00:20:25] I'm going to, I'm going to out virus virus actually loves Patrick Swayze.

[00:20:28] He was just trying to get rice out of Haley.

[00:20:32] He said after he said after he's like, when we ended that podcast, he was like, are we

[00:20:35] live?

[00:20:35] And I'm like, no, we're done.

[00:20:36] He's like, okay, bro.

[00:20:37] I love Patrick Swayze.

[00:20:40] I couldn't do it.

[00:20:41] That's, that's fine.

[00:20:42] I'm about to make fun of wicked on Saturday.

[00:20:44] So.

[00:20:45] Oh, well, hang on.

[00:20:47] Are you going to make fun of the play or the movie?

[00:20:50] Well, the, the joke.

[00:20:51] So, okay.

[00:20:51] Since you, since you're not going to, since you're not going to make it, the joke I'm

[00:20:54] going to say is in short, totally agrees with me is the last trailer, the entire trailer

[00:20:58] just defined gravity.

[00:21:00] And the one song that people know from, from wicked is defined gravity.

[00:21:04] It's the one song that people, that's why it's in that trailer.

[00:21:07] Cause it's the only song that people know.

[00:21:08] And it's funny.

[00:21:09] Cause that, that movie is me and Haley briefly talked about that movie is like two hours

[00:21:14] and like 40 minutes long.

[00:21:16] And the entire play musical is like two hour 25.

[00:21:20] So everyone's going to be waiting for defined gravity just for the movie to immediately end

[00:21:24] after two hours and 40 minutes.

[00:21:27] Well, the fine gravity takes place close to the middle, but isn't it?

[00:21:30] They, I thought that was the actual closer.

[00:21:32] No.

[00:21:33] Oh, okay. Fair enough.

[00:21:34] That I think that's, I think that's like the end of act two, act two or I can't really

[00:21:39] quick.

[00:21:39] It's a hack.

[00:21:40] It's either act two or three.

[00:21:42] Cause I can't remember if wicked's a four actor or five act structure.

[00:21:44] I think that might be act three, but it's basically like the middle climax.

[00:21:49] Yeah.

[00:21:49] Isn't that the other one that closes out to a, I can't think of them too.

[00:21:52] So second half, isn't that the one that closes out to intermission?

[00:21:54] Yes.

[00:21:55] Closes out to intermission.

[00:21:56] Yes.

[00:21:56] Yeah.

[00:21:57] If you're making fun of the movie, that's fine.

[00:22:00] I, I, I'm the thing is I only know like three songs from that musical.

[00:22:05] And the only reason why I'm even familiar with it is because I used to watch Glee.

[00:22:09] Um, and the, um, the, uh, episode, I, I liked the Glee version of it.

[00:22:13] The Kurt's Glee version of it.

[00:22:15] Uh, that was one of the first clips I ever saw of Glee was him blowing the high note.

[00:22:19] Um, and I was like, what is this song?

[00:22:21] Yeah.

[00:22:22] So that's the only reason why I'm even familiar with it.

[00:22:25] Like at all.

[00:22:26] So it's the, otherwise it's not really my thing.

[00:22:29] And we were just discussing the problems before we went left.

[00:22:32] Um, so I'm, I'm really, I had, and I remember why I saw it now.

[00:22:36] I had watched a star Trek documentary where I got the, I was told in documentary that Gene

[00:22:42] Ron Barry was against like overt sexuality and you know, like interpersonal conflict.

[00:22:47] That is obviously BS because he wrote the story for this episode.

[00:22:52] He did.

[00:22:53] And so much so that NBC program managers, Jerry Stanley, uh, is quoted as saying one of the

[00:22:59] problems we had was in trying to talk to Gene Ron Barry was trying to talk Gene Ron Barry

[00:23:03] out of some of the sexual fantasies that would come to life in the script.

[00:23:07] Some of the scenes he would describe were totally unacceptable.

[00:23:10] William Shatner once noted the fact that NBC allowed Bud's women to be produced at all

[00:23:15] is still a minor miracle.

[00:23:17] I mean, it's weird by the end.

[00:23:21] It's, it gets, but this we've, we've seen the vast majority of the episodes thus far.

[00:23:26] You've categorized in some form as like this episode was sexy.

[00:23:29] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:23:30] It was. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it, I would, I would argue the, maybe the previous episode was slightly more sexy.

[00:23:38] It was definitely living into a different kind of fantasy, I would say.

[00:23:41] So when you, when you're like the, I thought, I thought we had dropped all pretenses of that.

[00:23:45] This is not an overtly sexual show because it is a very sexual show.

[00:23:49] Obviously the pretense is BS. I don't know where they got, somebody said they were quoting Gene, but like, clearly that's not the case.

[00:23:57] Right. Why? I thought that's, that's why I've been paying attention to who's been writing them.

[00:24:00] And I'm like, well, no, he did the story for this.

[00:24:01] So he, he contributed to this. These are his ideas.

[00:24:04] Yeah. So this is all, but then it also explains some other things that we've already discussed and we will, you know, um, yeah.

[00:24:14] Awkward pause aside. Uh, you know, what is the best interview for an awkward pause?

[00:24:20] Ad break?

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[00:24:50] And we're back in the awkward pause is gone.

[00:24:53] And Kurt convenes a hearing during which the computer contradicts Walsh's testimony reporting that his ship's master's license.

[00:25:00] Oh, it is a ship master's license.

[00:25:01] So, uh, has, has been revoked and forcing him to reveal his true name.

[00:25:06] Harcourt Fenton mud, a criminal with an extensive wreck, a criminal with an extensive record.

[00:25:13] The hearing ends as the final lithium crystal fails.

[00:25:16] I love how he actually introduces himself as Harry mud first.

[00:25:19] And they can, I love the computer just like cutting him off at the knees.

[00:25:22] So, uh, incorrect.

[00:25:24] So how is the computer, how does the computer just know he's lying?

[00:25:27] I don't, it's not like he's hooked up to anything.

[00:25:30] The computer could be lying.

[00:25:31] So my best guess is that the computer can actually use like facial recognition software and search for records.

[00:25:40] Because they do have a mug shot.

[00:25:43] Okay.

[00:25:43] Either that or maybe.

[00:25:44] Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:25:45] Well, because Dr. McCoy has medical scanners where you only have to be in one of them comes into play later.

[00:25:49] You only have to be within a certain proximity for it to work.

[00:25:52] So maybe the computer actually can act as a lie detector.

[00:25:55] It's the 23rd century.

[00:25:57] We're not supposed to think about it, but we're going to, because this is the final frontier.

[00:26:00] And that's why we're here.

[00:26:02] If you're not here for that, you can just watch the episode.

[00:26:06] Which you should.

[00:26:07] We're here to pick it apart.

[00:26:09] So yeah, so I got, I didn't have a note about, so there, this is where they are.

[00:26:12] Are they space police?

[00:26:13] Cause he's on, it seems to be on trial.

[00:26:15] Um, they're not, I missly.

[00:26:18] They're not just space police.

[00:26:20] They're future police.

[00:26:21] Did you see that little tidbit?

[00:26:23] No, no.

[00:26:26] I don't know if that's laziness or they're trying to put like an Easter egg in anything, but I'm like, is this minority report?

[00:26:31] Like, is, are we now at, um, what do they call it in that movie?

[00:26:35] Pre-crime?

[00:26:36] Pre-crime.

[00:26:37] Yeah.

[00:26:37] Yeah.

[00:26:38] So, because it literally says future police on his, uh, what'd you call that?

[00:26:42] His like dossier, his rap sheet.

[00:26:44] See, it's funny.

[00:26:45] Cause the last time they had a, when they were looking at the medical files, they went through them so fast.

[00:26:50] I paused it to read them.

[00:26:51] This time I paused it to read it.

[00:26:53] And then the stupid computer just read it for me.

[00:26:55] And I was like, Oh, I wasted my time trying to freeze frame this.

[00:26:58] It's annoying.

[00:27:00] Um, so, okay.

[00:27:01] So I don't know what, so it just, I kind of seemed like, so they're just normal women.

[00:27:05] This was my, another crack at guessing.

[00:27:07] I couldn't quite, but then I was like, but then, okay.

[00:27:09] If they're just normal women, biologically, they're just normal women.

[00:27:12] Like they're not like super powered aliens or whatever.

[00:27:15] They're not sucking monsters.

[00:27:16] They're not.

[00:27:17] Yeah.

[00:27:18] They're not.

[00:27:18] Yeah.

[00:27:19] Something else is going on.

[00:27:20] Um, and then obviously I, once again, have hardcore Fenton, Harry mud is a fun character.

[00:27:26] It's good.

[00:27:26] So we're gonna, we're gonna science a bit here.

[00:27:29] So come on, we're gonna, we're a science of it.

[00:27:31] Okay.

[00:27:31] I'm right.

[00:27:32] So this is one of two episodes where the crystals that power the ship's engines are

[00:27:36] referred to as lithium crystals.

[00:27:38] All other times they are correctly referred to as dilithium crystals.

[00:27:41] Now I asked my.

[00:27:42] I was gonna say.

[00:27:43] Yeah.

[00:27:43] I was gonna say, that didn't sound right.

[00:27:45] But then I asked myself, I said, okay, I know my star Trek and generally speaking,

[00:27:51] they might twist the science to make it work for the story, but they don't generally

[00:27:56] speaking, they don't just make stuff up out of the blue.

[00:27:58] So I'm like, is dilithium actually a thing?

[00:28:02] Turns out.

[00:28:03] It is.

[00:28:05] Dilithium.

[00:28:06] Is a strongly electrophilic diatomic molecule comprising two lithium atoms covalently bonded

[00:28:14] together.

[00:28:15] What kind of bullshit do they say about a co, covalent bond in this school?

[00:28:19] They say it's, uh, when two atoms share both their electrons, it, uh, helps them to stick

[00:28:24] together.

[00:28:25] Li-2 is known in the gas phase.

[00:28:29] So we've literally created it or seen it in its gas phase, not its crystal or solid

[00:28:35] phase.

[00:28:36] Oh, that explains why it's a, it's a lithium crystal at this point.

[00:28:39] Cause it's the first, probably the first time we're seeing them.

[00:28:41] Yeah.

[00:28:41] That makes sense.

[00:28:42] Maybe.

[00:28:43] But fun fact, I also looked, I was like, well, cause I know lithium is a metal, but I'm

[00:28:46] like, is there a crystal form of lithium?

[00:28:48] Turns out there is, there is a lithium crystal structure at normal pressure and temperature.

[00:28:54] Lithium crystallizes into a cubic structure.

[00:28:56] There's a lithium two subunit that is a crystal structure.

[00:28:59] When lithium is squeezed, its structure changes and it joins with the, with its, uh, with its

[00:29:04] neighbor to form a lithium two subunit or dilithium solid.

[00:29:09] This subunit has different properties than lithium.

[00:29:11] Fuck you science.

[00:29:13] And I just, I made a note here.

[00:29:14] I'm like, this is why star Trek is better than star Wars because when you ask somebody

[00:29:18] to explain how a lightsaber work, they say, well, you see it's a saber, but it's made

[00:29:22] out of light.

[00:29:23] Actually, it's not, not to, I'm actually you.

[00:29:26] Um, but there is an actual read.

[00:29:27] I mean, technically it's a crystal that feeds light through the crystal.

[00:29:30] That's how a lightsaber works.

[00:29:31] And also technically speaking, it's technically speaking, star Wars is not technically according

[00:29:37] to George Lucas science fiction.

[00:29:39] He believes it's fantasy.

[00:29:41] Sci-fi.

[00:29:42] Yeah.

[00:29:42] We've had this conversation on tune talk 2.0 before.

[00:29:45] Yeah.

[00:29:46] Yeah.

[00:29:46] That sounds, I'm sorry.

[00:29:47] That sounds like a major, uh, future police cop out to me.

[00:29:52] I, Hey, look, I thought that was interesting by that.

[00:29:55] Yeah.

[00:29:55] It was a really good, really interesting documentary.

[00:29:57] Yeah.

[00:29:57] Yeah.

[00:29:58] So, you know, the, the star Trek was always the real stuff was real stuff, but you know

[00:30:04] what I mean?

[00:30:04] Yeah.

[00:30:05] But then I started science is real.

[00:30:07] I was going to say, that's neat that the science is real.

[00:30:09] At least the theoretical science.

[00:30:11] Yeah.

[00:30:12] Because like, for example, matter and anti, obviously matter is a thing.

[00:30:15] Anti-matter is at least hypothetically, and it might actually be, I'm trust me, I'm not

[00:30:19] a physicist.

[00:30:20] I'm the last person you should ask about this, but it's at least theoretically possible

[00:30:25] or at least it might even, it might even be mathematically real.

[00:30:28] Cause a lot of times they'll figure stuff out mathematically before it's observed in

[00:30:31] the physical universe.

[00:30:33] Yeah.

[00:30:33] I don't think they've ever actually discovered it, but I think, I think, yeah, the, it's

[00:30:37] mathematically or theoretically possible.

[00:30:39] At the very least.

[00:30:40] Yes.

[00:30:41] Um, but then I started thinking, so I think there are six lithium crystals cause they're

[00:30:46] lithium crystals.

[00:30:46] Now maybe they upgrade to dilithium later.

[00:30:48] I don't know.

[00:30:49] But as small as they are, cause Spock is holding like the fried one.

[00:30:54] It's, it's, I don't know.

[00:30:55] It's about the size of like a, a soft ball.

[00:30:59] Yeah.

[00:30:59] It's, it's, it's, it's not that big, but I'm like, you're telling me they don't have

[00:31:03] a storage room full of these things, given how small they are.

[00:31:06] You would think, right?

[00:31:08] Like, yeah, it's just safety protocols.

[00:31:11] I have questions about safety protocols are odd.

[00:31:16] Yeah.

[00:31:16] So that was like real submarine rules.

[00:31:19] Yeah.

[00:31:20] But so my first thought might be, which again, the, the fact of the matter is they needed

[00:31:24] it for plot, but I'm, I'm, I'm overthinking it for your entertainment.

[00:31:28] Maybe these lithium crystals are unstable in, in a, in a way, kind of like how, like, like

[00:31:35] a piece of, like a piece of raw sodium is not unstable until it comes in contact with

[00:31:40] dihydrogen monoxide water.

[00:31:41] And then you got, and then you got big problems.

[00:31:49] Oh, so maybe, maybe it can't come in contact.

[00:31:58] Well, okay.

[00:31:59] So here's the thing.

[00:31:59] Here's the thing.

[00:32:01] Lithium.

[00:32:02] I'm going back to my chemistry, which I didn't do well in, but I remember lithium oxidizes

[00:32:07] extremely quickly.

[00:32:09] Okay.

[00:32:10] So.

[00:32:11] I didn't take chemistry.

[00:32:13] Well, so basically it wants, so for example, lithium is a soft metal, so you can actually

[00:32:17] cut it with a knife, um, with minimal effort.

[00:32:20] But as soon as you cut it, you see like the metallic sheen for a little while and it almost immediately

[00:32:25] starts oxidizing.

[00:32:26] So maybe in its crystal form, it has characteristics, even though it says it has characteristics,

[00:32:33] unlike lithium as a metal, maybe it's still as unstable when it's exposed to oxygen.

[00:32:38] So the storage might be tricky.

[00:32:41] Yeah.

[00:32:41] I don't know.

[00:32:42] I don't know.

[00:32:43] I mean, anything that powers a spaceship you would think would be highly explosive.

[00:32:47] You, you would think, but then Spock's also holding one.

[00:32:50] Like, I don't know, maybe.

[00:32:52] Well, maybe once it's burnt out, it's no longer highly explosive.

[00:32:55] Yeah.

[00:32:56] Maybe.

[00:32:57] In fact, maybe.

[00:32:58] What it needs to do the five years or however long mission.

[00:33:00] Yeah.

[00:33:01] Maybe that's an oxidized crystal, so it's no longer, you know, maybe.

[00:33:05] I don't know.

[00:33:06] But anyway, they need lithium crystals.

[00:33:08] Without lithium crystals, the Enterprise must limp on reserve power to the planet Rigel 12 to obtain new crystals from the miners there.

[00:33:15] On their way to Rigel 12, one of the women goes to sick bay for some reason, even though earlier in the episode they talk about how they're worried that they're going to be forced to have medical examinations.

[00:33:26] And Harry's like, don't worry, they won't do it.

[00:33:30] You know?

[00:33:30] So, so in regards to Rigel 12, are there 11 other Rigels?

[00:33:36] At least.

[00:33:37] Because that's, to my knowledge, that's how.

[00:33:41] Yeah.

[00:33:41] So what is, what is the Rigel prefix come from then?

[00:33:44] That would be the sun.

[00:33:46] Oh, what?

[00:33:47] So the sun is Rigel and every planet that's around it.

[00:33:50] And then I guess I have five questions about the mine, the miners themselves.

[00:33:55] So it's just three dudes solo who mine an entire planet alone?

[00:33:59] Um, yeah, they imply that.

[00:34:00] Yeah, that sounds like it sucks.

[00:34:02] Is it like a.

[00:34:03] That sounds awful.

[00:34:04] Yeah, that's one of my notes is literally just sounds awful.

[00:34:07] So is it like a prospector situation where they show up can mine as much as they want and fuck off?

[00:34:12] Precisely.

[00:34:13] Yes.

[00:34:13] Oh, okay.

[00:34:14] Okay.

[00:34:15] Because they really reminded me of, um, I think it's a Charlie Chaplin movie actually.

[00:34:20] Gold, gold rush where it's like Charlie Chaplin and this guy are going there and they're slowly going mad.

[00:34:26] And, uh, no, no, no.

[00:34:27] Maybe I'm thinking of another movie.

[00:34:28] I can't admit, but basically they're trapped in, in like, they've prospect all this gold and they're trapped in this, uh, little hut and they finally escape.

[00:34:36] And a guy kills them and like disperses the gold dust.

[00:34:40] And like, it all disappears because they just think it's just worthless mud.

[00:34:44] And it turns out that like him going mad was for nothing.

[00:34:46] Um, and that's kind of what this episode made me think of was those three guys kind of seem to have gone a little loopy.

[00:35:20] Yeah.

[00:35:21] We'll mine for X number of years, come back and we'll be filthy rich.

[00:35:25] Yeah.

[00:35:25] You know?

[00:35:26] Yeah.

[00:35:26] So, and Kirk, they're like, that's our big, big chance essentially.

[00:35:30] Yeah.

[00:35:30] Well, and Kirk even says that he's authorized to pay, you know, like a fair price, meaning there is money and these guys are not directly subject to the Federation.

[00:35:41] Meaning like, yeah, it's not a Federation operation.

[00:35:43] They're members of the Federation, but they're not members of Starfleet or, you know, the governmental arms.

[00:35:50] So government got paid.

[00:35:52] Yeah, exactly.

[00:35:53] But anyway, so one of the women goes to sick bay for some reason and walks by Dr. McCoy's medical scanner.

[00:35:58] It goes off and McCoy can't for the life of him figure out why.

[00:36:02] My favorite bit later is when he describes it as she made my screen go, whoop.

[00:36:07] And I'm like, that's a way to describe it.

[00:36:11] So I noted the med scanner got a boner too.

[00:36:15] Yeah.

[00:36:16] Yeah.

[00:36:16] Yeah.

[00:36:16] And then I just love how bones casually.

[00:36:19] Yeah.

[00:36:19] I love how bones casually asked her if she's wearing anything radioactive.

[00:36:24] And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[00:36:26] Which I guess that answers the question of the guy wearing the less than secure radiation suit.

[00:36:32] Yeah, I suppose.

[00:36:33] Maybe they just don't know it.

[00:36:34] I mean, it's the 1960s.

[00:36:35] They, their, their idea of radiation was limited.

[00:36:39] Nothing was not the same as us, I guess.

[00:36:41] Well, I don't know about that.

[00:36:42] They lived through the atomic bombs and whatnot, but I guess, I guess that does point to because

[00:36:48] if, if you can cure cancer with a pill, I suppose you could wear radioactive perfume.

[00:36:54] I mean, kind of a dick move, but.

[00:36:56] I suppose when you think about it from, from the 1960s perspective, like World War II and

[00:37:02] atomic radiation is so recent that in their brains are like, well, of course, in the far,

[00:37:07] far future, they've solved radiation.

[00:37:08] Yeah.

[00:37:09] Why wouldn't they have?

[00:37:10] They just make sense as a, as like an idea that they would have in terms of seeing into

[00:37:14] the future.

[00:37:15] I just love how McCoy's so casually like, are you wearing anything radioactive, my dear?

[00:37:20] Which tells me, yes, they solved the problem with radiation and yeah, Spock dies from radiation

[00:37:26] poisoning and the end of the wrath of Colin spoiler alert.

[00:37:29] But anyway, did you notice, and I'm now I'm wondering if it was there before.

[00:37:33] Did you notice McCoy's ring?

[00:37:35] No, I definitely didn't know.

[00:37:37] McCoy's wearing this ring and I'd never noticed it before.

[00:37:40] And I'm kind of like, did DeForest Kelly just forget to take off his ring?

[00:37:44] Maybe.

[00:37:45] Yeah, it's possible.

[00:37:46] Maybe.

[00:37:46] What?

[00:37:46] Did you never see it again?

[00:37:48] Not that I can recall, but now I'm going to look.

[00:37:50] Yeah.

[00:37:51] Yeah.

[00:37:51] I'm gay.

[00:37:52] Now I'm going to look for it.

[00:37:53] I'm guessing.

[00:37:53] Yeah.

[00:37:53] He just forgot to take off his wedding ring.

[00:37:55] Well, I don't think it was.

[00:37:57] I think it was on his pinky.

[00:37:58] I don't think it was.

[00:37:59] And now I have to go back and look.

[00:38:01] So when I edit.

[00:38:02] It was a pinky ring.

[00:38:03] Oh, I like him.

[00:38:04] That's what I know.

[00:38:05] I felt the same way.

[00:38:06] I was like, oh, bones.

[00:38:08] No.

[00:38:08] He's that guy.

[00:38:10] Oh, no.

[00:38:11] Maybe he loses it in a patient.

[00:38:13] And that's why we never see it again.

[00:38:14] I mean, that's almost worse.

[00:38:16] Oh, bones.

[00:38:17] What are you doing, man?

[00:38:18] It's like the episode of scrubs where Turk loses the things.

[00:38:21] He loses a pen in his patient.

[00:38:22] Oh, no.

[00:38:25] The other thing when bones and Kirk are talking bones basically says like,

[00:38:30] are they really that beautiful gym?

[00:38:32] And I instantly went to the cheerleader effect from how I met your mother.

[00:38:36] During this time, Harry Mudd acquires a communicator to strike a deal with the miners himself.

[00:38:40] It's also revealed that the secret of the women's beauty is the Venus drug.

[00:38:45] I just wrote down pretty pills.

[00:38:47] I just put always drugs.

[00:38:48] It's just space.

[00:38:49] It's always drugs.

[00:38:50] Space.

[00:38:50] It's always drugs.

[00:38:52] We kind of have the Venus.

[00:38:54] You know, we kind of had the Venus drug, except it works in reverse because I've known people.

[00:38:59] I don't partake personally, but I've known some people that have taken some fairly powerful edible gummies,

[00:39:04] and I bet you that could turn a five into a ten.

[00:39:07] Um, yeah, I mean, yeah, I yeah, I could.

[00:39:12] It could.

[00:39:12] Depending on the strength of it, it definitely could.

[00:39:14] But there's some certainly some pills you could take that will definitely do that.

[00:39:18] Um, sorry and brandy, you know?

[00:39:21] Yeah, exactly.

[00:39:21] It's just the correct amount of liquor, really.

[00:39:23] Uh, but I thought I'd know about the miners where I said, okay, the miners suck, but I get it.

[00:39:30] Yeah, it's funny because your initial reaction to them is like, okay, fuck these guys.

[00:39:34] But then you're like, well, I mean, I'm alone.

[00:39:36] I'm mine and I'm there with two other dudes.

[00:39:38] I'm having a bad time.

[00:39:41] Like, you know, lifeblood's a lifeblood, you know?

[00:39:44] Yeah.

[00:39:44] Clearly this was a rougher existence than they imagined.

[00:39:48] Right, right.

[00:39:48] They just all seem sad.

[00:39:50] Like, this is my, this is my.

[00:39:52] They're probably under contract.

[00:39:54] It's probably like a five year contract.

[00:39:56] So you get to that.

[00:39:57] Probably.

[00:39:57] And you, they go to that planet and they're like, fuck.

[00:40:01] This is it for the next five years.

[00:40:03] Also, um, uh, I have a note.

[00:40:07] I, I, I didn't write what the actual line was, but one of the, the, the women has a line about like, you should have a raffle and the loser gets me.

[00:40:15] That's not how raffles work.

[00:40:17] Why do you think you write a raffle and a raffle?

[00:40:21] It's just not.

[00:40:23] Not how raffles work.

[00:40:25] I mean, to be fair, she was being facetious, but yeah, that's.

[00:40:31] God, I love the way you're more.

[00:40:32] I love where your mind goes.

[00:40:33] Sometimes you're just like, but that's not how raffles work.

[00:40:35] That's not how raffles work.

[00:40:37] One of them would win her.

[00:40:39] If, if, if she had said draw straws, there wouldn't have been a problem, but.

[00:40:42] Right.

[00:40:43] Exactly.

[00:40:43] The, the, I'm just saying it's a weak analogy.

[00:40:45] It's what I'm saying.

[00:40:47] Yeah.

[00:40:47] Yeah.

[00:40:47] Ben Childress or Ben Childress, the chief minor having been in contact with mud demands his release along with the women.

[00:40:54] In exchange for the crystals, the enterprise.

[00:40:56] Well, okay.

[00:40:57] Hang on before I go on the synopsis.

[00:40:59] That seems.

[00:41:00] That feels.

[00:41:02] Well, I mean, it's definitely extortion, but it also feels kind of illegal.

[00:41:05] I guess the fact that the women are there willingly.

[00:41:10] I don't know.

[00:41:11] It's still illegal.

[00:41:12] It still feels illegal.

[00:41:13] It.

[00:41:14] The women's agency in this episode goes to weird places for me.

[00:41:19] It seemed complicit.

[00:41:20] It's on vacation.

[00:41:21] So the consent is there.

[00:41:22] Yeah.

[00:41:23] But to be fair, two of the women just kind of, we're going to get there.

[00:41:26] We're going to get to what happened to two of the women at the end.

[00:41:28] Right.

[00:41:30] The enterprise's remaining power is insufficient to maintain the ship's orbit for more than a few days.

[00:41:34] So Kirk is forced to allow mud and the women to beam down to the planet.

[00:41:38] However, once there, Childress reneges on the deal.

[00:41:42] So one note I did have is I don't think I don't think I've seen a nice planet on this show yet.

[00:41:47] They all seem to be varying degrees of desert.

[00:41:50] I believe it or not.

[00:41:52] I think we actually have a nice planet coming up.

[00:41:54] I don't think it's in the next episode, but when the next couple.

[00:41:57] Well, there's one episode that's called shore leave and that that is a nice planet.

[00:42:01] Interesting.

[00:42:02] Yeah.

[00:42:02] I'm like, it's all just been like outposts and like desert, like desert mining planet.

[00:42:07] So far.

[00:42:08] It starts out as cheap sets.

[00:42:10] It starts out as a real stark show.

[00:42:12] You're not wrong.

[00:42:12] It's kind of like the beginning of Game of Thrones.

[00:42:14] It's like, who the fuck would live here?

[00:42:16] Right.

[00:42:17] It seems like it kind of like a bummer universe.

[00:42:20] I don't know.

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[00:43:13] So fun fact.

[00:43:14] Spock is holding another handheld device that is actually used in the real world.

[00:43:19] The device is a modern E6B flight computer used by pilots to aid in calculating fuel burn, wind correction, time and route and other items.

[00:43:28] So once again, we have real world old school applications.

[00:43:31] And I love that.

[00:43:32] Like I mentioned before, there are several instances where even today someone will use a sexton.

[00:43:39] Somebody will use like a star chart.

[00:43:41] It's I love when they work.

[00:43:42] They work.

[00:43:43] That's what I'm saying.

[00:43:44] And it's like you said, people still use compasses.

[00:43:46] Yeah.

[00:43:47] Yeah.

[00:43:48] At the end of the day, it's worth, you know, as many tools as we have to be able to start a fire.

[00:43:54] Now it's still worthwhile to be able to make one from scratch.

[00:43:57] Right.

[00:43:58] It's a, it's a worth, cause you never know when you need to.

[00:44:00] At an impromptu party with the miners.

[00:44:02] It's a party with six people.

[00:44:05] It's still a party as long as there's more than two people.

[00:44:07] It's kind of a weird party.

[00:44:08] It's very sixties party cause they have zero qualms switching partners.

[00:44:12] Right.

[00:44:13] I mean, they do.

[00:44:14] The guys are like, Hey man, I want the.

[00:44:17] Eve becomes angry when they begin fighting over the other two women, which, okay.

[00:44:21] The synopsis is leaving out a very, very important detail here, which is not justified, but it's missing context.

[00:44:28] So show dress is trying to engage with Eve and hang out with Eve is the blonde with longer hair.

[00:44:35] And I think she's wearing.

[00:44:36] Yeah, she's the one wearing pink.

[00:44:39] He's trying.

[00:44:40] I'll be it in a very kind of shitty way because they were essentially purchased like cattle.

[00:44:46] So yeah.

[00:44:47] Yeah.

[00:44:48] Be that as it may.

[00:44:49] He's, he's trying to at least engage.

[00:44:51] He's asked her if she wants to dance, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:44:54] But he very quickly goes fine.

[00:44:56] Fuck you.

[00:44:56] And yeah.

[00:44:57] Goes pushing, pushing that.

[00:45:00] I want to dance with this one now.

[00:45:01] Yeah.

[00:45:02] But anyway, Eve gets angry and runs out into a magnetic dust storm, which, you know, not smart.

[00:45:09] Well, with Childress and Kirk in pursuit, Kirk beams back to the enterprise to try to locate her from orbit.

[00:45:14] Childress finds Eve, brings her to his quarters and falls asleep upon waking.

[00:45:18] He is confronted with a much plainer Eve, which is, which is, which is something that would happen after being in a sandstorm, presumably for at least a little while, you know?

[00:45:31] Yeah.

[00:45:32] Yeah.

[00:45:32] I mean, if it's a, well, I think it's a drug that wears off.

[00:45:35] Well, I thought it would.

[00:45:37] I mean, even if there was no drug, I mean, you don't walk out of a sandstorm, sandstorm being like, ah, yeah.

[00:45:44] You walk out of a sandstorm going.

[00:45:46] I'm thinking.

[00:45:47] Um, so I've got a note once again about Harry Mudd, which is just that Harry Mudd is a real piece of shit.

[00:45:52] Is he the series first actual villain?

[00:45:56] Hmm.

[00:45:56] That's a very good question.

[00:45:59] Because I mean, he's deliberately bad.

[00:46:01] He's a, he's a villain, but he's kind of like, um, he's a comedic villain, but yeah, you're right.

[00:46:06] He is actually a villain.

[00:46:07] So yes, I think.

[00:46:09] No, I would.

[00:46:10] Would you consider Charlie a villain though?

[00:46:13] No, I, cause he's, cause he's misunderstood.

[00:46:16] Like I think that he didn't know better.

[00:46:20] Like, I think, I think Harry Mudd is like, like deliberately victimizing people.

[00:46:25] That's a very good point.

[00:46:26] Cause up to this point, it's basically been man versus straight antagonist.

[00:46:32] Yeah.

[00:46:32] It's been man versus nature for the most part.

[00:46:34] And you could chop Charlie up to, you know, Charlie would have been harmless had he not had, you know, powers.

[00:46:42] Exactly.

[00:46:43] Like that to me, this is like very black and white.

[00:46:45] He like the bad guy.

[00:46:46] He victimized these women.

[00:46:47] He scammed these minor.

[00:46:48] Although he, he scammed the miners.

[00:46:50] I don't know.

[00:46:51] Oh, it's very funny that you mentioned black and white.

[00:46:55] Well, in a Star Trek podcast, it's presumable considering Harry Mudd doesn't particularly care where he drops the women off.

[00:47:03] It's I could presume that he's already been paid.

[00:47:06] Yeah.

[00:47:08] But like, okay, I just, I have a lot of questions about the drugs.

[00:47:11] We're going to get to the drugs.

[00:47:13] We're going to get to the drugs.

[00:47:14] Uh, another fun fact though, the circle cards that Eve is playing with, not only have we seen them before, believe it or not, cause I forgotten about them being in Star Trek.

[00:47:22] I used to have a deck of those.

[00:47:23] Oh yeah.

[00:47:24] And I will tell you what I was gonna say, is it a different game?

[00:47:29] No, no, it's just a deck of cards.

[00:47:31] Oh, okay.

[00:47:32] They're just, they're just circles.

[00:47:34] I will say this though.

[00:47:35] It makes absolutely no sense why they would exist in the future because they are impossible to play with.

[00:47:39] It's, it's terrible.

[00:47:40] Huh?

[00:47:41] Interesting.

[00:47:41] I mean, you can play with them, but shuffling them is a pain in the ass.

[00:47:45] There's no good way to do it.

[00:47:46] I mean, different from like a standard bicycle style playing card?

[00:47:49] No, they're just circles.

[00:47:50] They're, they're, they're a little bit bigger though.

[00:47:52] Oh, they're like literally just circles.

[00:47:54] Oh yeah, that would suck.

[00:47:55] Yeah, that would be bad.

[00:47:56] Yeah.

[00:47:56] They're very, they're very difficult to deal with.

[00:47:59] Um, so yeah, I don't know why.

[00:48:01] And see, here's the other thing.

[00:48:03] What?

[00:48:04] No, in Charlie X, they were standard playing cards.

[00:48:07] They were standard playing cards.

[00:48:08] Yeah.

[00:48:09] I don't know.

[00:48:09] Just playing the solitaire standard playing.

[00:48:11] Maybe, maybe, I don't know.

[00:48:12] Maybe the standard playing card or maybe the, the circle cards are like a gimmicky thing.

[00:48:17] Like I did a fun and this thing is clearly standard playing, playing cards are just cheaper.

[00:48:22] Maybe I don't know.

[00:48:22] That feels like merchandise kind of like 3d chess.

[00:48:25] Cause you know, somebody was like, let's make a new version of chess so we can sell.

[00:48:28] And they do.

[00:48:29] Oh yeah, for sure.

[00:48:30] Well, I don't know.

[00:48:30] I don't know if they were merchandise forward in the sixties quite in the same way that

[00:48:34] they are today.

[00:48:35] For Star Trek, they absolutely were.

[00:48:37] In fact, there are some notorious, there are some notorious, notorious early toys that

[00:48:41] were either never seen in the series.

[00:48:44] Some were never seen in the series.

[00:48:45] Some were just terribly made.

[00:48:48] And then some were just kind of weird.

[00:48:50] You know, there's, I think the infamous one is the, um, what is it?

[00:48:54] The Spock clothes changing one.

[00:48:56] It's in the big bang theory.

[00:48:57] Oh, I don't remember.

[00:48:59] I can't remember either, but, uh, oh yeah.

[00:49:01] Star Trek had a lot of merchandise.

[00:49:03] A lot of which didn't make that much sense, but.

[00:49:06] No merchandise really does.

[00:49:08] Uh, that the, uh, the assault phaser.

[00:49:11] Apparently that did very well as far as.

[00:49:15] I mean, it's a laser gun.

[00:49:16] Laser guns always sell well.

[00:49:18] Kirk and mud beam back down to the planet to deal with Childress.

[00:49:21] The captain reveals that mud has given, has been giving the women the Venus drug and that

[00:49:26] the other two minors have already been married to Ruth and Magda.

[00:49:30] Okay.

[00:49:30] Yeah.

[00:49:30] That was another, what is a subspace radio marriage?

[00:49:34] I would imagine it would be very similar to like a CV radio marriage.

[00:49:39] What is a CV radio marriage?

[00:49:41] So that's, you know, like.

[00:49:44] Oh, married over like a.

[00:49:45] Married over a CV radio.

[00:49:46] Yeah.

[00:49:47] So breaker one, nine breaker one, nine.

[00:49:50] So were the women just going to like, Hey, cause you know, they, that's it.

[00:49:54] Once you hear that, you never see the other two women again.

[00:49:57] It's never resolved.

[00:49:58] What happened to them?

[00:49:58] So they just, the other minors find out that they get, I mean, I don't think that they

[00:50:04] do.

[00:50:04] Cause that's a note that I had is she, she does this big long speech after you find out

[00:50:08] that she's been on the, she's on the drugs where she's like, I'm actually ugly without

[00:50:12] the drugs.

[00:50:13] And I was like, she's not though.

[00:50:15] She's quite an attractive woman.

[00:50:17] She's quite, she's quite an attractive woman with or without drugs.

[00:50:20] So like, I didn't understand the point of this episode.

[00:50:23] So like, did they find out that the other two women stopped taking the magic beauty

[00:50:27] pills?

[00:50:28] Well, actually no, because I think it's implied that they will.

[00:50:32] Cause Kirk even says they can get out of it if they want to.

[00:50:36] Okay.

[00:50:36] So like they could just keep taking the drugs if they want to, or, or not.

[00:50:40] Or the idea is like, he, he just cuts them off from the drugs.

[00:50:43] It was like, ha ha.

[00:50:44] Here's the gang.

[00:50:45] They're actually ugly.

[00:50:45] No, this is just a very, very strange way of the show saying like, no beauty is on

[00:50:51] the inside.

[00:50:53] That's okay.

[00:50:53] Okay.

[00:50:54] Well we're going to, we're going to get to that, but, but in the most backward ass way

[00:50:57] possible.

[00:50:58] Cause that was my, I do have a question about the message of the episode, but I saved it

[00:51:01] for the end.

[00:51:02] It's a little like, I, to me, it seems like I get what they were trying to do, but it

[00:51:08] just, it's kind of like saying it's kind of like the message of a store of a store.

[00:51:13] The moral of a story being like violence doesn't solve anything.

[00:51:16] But at the end of the episode, the bully gets beaten up, you know, I would, I would have

[00:51:21] said, uh, it's like the message of violence doesn't answer anything after he stands on

[00:51:25] top of a pile of the corpses of his enemies.

[00:51:27] They're like, you know, I, you just solved a lot of problems with violence.

[00:51:31] You see diplomacy shall prevail.

[00:51:33] There's no reason we can't be civil.

[00:51:37] There's no, none, sir.

[00:51:42] Right.

[00:51:42] Like it just sort of seems like you solved a lot of your problems with violence.

[00:51:45] It was, it's the message is muddled.

[00:51:47] Yeah.

[00:51:47] So when it comes to the pill itself, cause he, he says that Kirk says when it's, um,

[00:51:53] we'll jump, but when you see her take it, like she just free bases it with no water,

[00:51:59] man.

[00:51:59] It's like, if she took that thing with it, it was like a big pill.

[00:52:02] It was like that big.

[00:52:03] So that was like, wait, did she chew it?

[00:52:04] Or it was like, she swallowed it all in one go.

[00:52:07] Cause I'm like, that is an impressive, as impressive.

[00:52:10] Maybe it's like a Flintstones vitamin.

[00:52:12] Maybe it dissolves.

[00:52:13] Uh, well, well, we're going to come back to the question of what it's made of after

[00:52:17] we do the big reveal sugar, spice and everything.

[00:52:20] Nice.

[00:52:21] Well, the pill she takes the one that she takes from Kirk.

[00:52:25] Oh, didn't he say it was gelatin.

[00:52:27] Yeah.

[00:52:27] He said it was made of jello.

[00:52:29] Yeah.

[00:52:29] Yeah.

[00:52:30] So I was like, Oh, maybe she did chew it.

[00:52:32] Yeah.

[00:52:33] So Eve snatches a dose of what appears to be the Venus drug, but it is in fact a placebo.

[00:52:37] This restores her self-confidence to the point where Childress finds her as attractive

[00:52:41] as before.

[00:52:41] I'm sorry.

[00:52:43] I get the message, but I'm calling BS on this.

[00:52:47] Well, she's like, she went from what she's, she's got makeup on now.

[00:52:50] So did the makeup, the makeup in her head, like what it didn't make any sense.

[00:52:55] That's the point.

[00:52:55] I was so confused.

[00:52:57] Here's the thing though.

[00:52:59] Over time, he actually could grow to find her more attractive because of her confidence,

[00:53:04] but it's like this.

[00:53:06] Right.

[00:53:07] And like, it's just, it's just the message was so, it's so weird.

[00:53:10] See, yeah.

[00:53:11] So the lesson it was listening.

[00:53:12] It was just about self belief.

[00:53:14] Like I was so confused.

[00:53:16] No.

[00:53:16] See, here's my thing.

[00:53:17] I think they did a placebo effect to the placebo in my head.

[00:53:23] They actually gave her the drug, but then told her it was a placebo.

[00:53:26] So she would keep her confidence.

[00:53:28] That's the only way you can factually explain what happened on screen.

[00:53:31] Cause otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

[00:53:33] It's watching my, I mean, just from the, from the meta standpoint, I just couldn't understand

[00:53:36] what the lesson was where it was like at the end where Kirk was like, yep.

[00:53:40] Yeah.

[00:53:40] I did the right thing here.

[00:53:42] What was the right thing here?

[00:53:43] I don't understand what happened here.

[00:53:45] The miners, the miners got married.

[00:53:47] I I'm confused.

[00:53:49] I yeah.

[00:53:50] Again, this is another episode where the ending is kind of like, I don't know if this

[00:53:54] was the right play.

[00:53:55] Captain Kirk.

[00:53:56] I just, she's like, he's like, it's a happy ending.

[00:53:59] Did we win here?

[00:54:00] Was this a win?

[00:54:01] This doesn't feel like it was a win.

[00:54:02] I don't know why it just doesn't.

[00:54:04] But so anyway, Childress is happy.

[00:54:05] He gives Kirk the crystals.

[00:54:07] Kirk offers to take Eve away with him, but, but she opts to stay with Childress.

[00:54:12] Eve tells Kirk, this also made zero sense.

[00:54:15] She tells Kirk, you've got someone up there called the enterprise.

[00:54:17] The ship continues on its way with mud in custody.

[00:54:20] So first of all, there's only one scene where there's even a hint that Eve is into Kirk and

[00:54:26] Kirk really doesn't give the vibe that he's into Eve again, much like Pike, much like Pike

[00:54:30] and Vena Kirk's DTF.

[00:54:33] But I'm not getting the vibe that he's like falling in love at all.

[00:54:36] And yet there's this kind of like, there's this idea that Eve knows she can't be with Kirk

[00:54:41] because he's married to the enterprise.

[00:54:43] And it's like, fair enough, but we never really saw that play out.

[00:54:47] So the line kind of falls flat.

[00:54:49] Right.

[00:54:50] Well, when the one scene where it was, it was like, Kirk was very much like, this is the

[00:54:53] line.

[00:54:54] Like it just didn't, they didn't give me that vibe.

[00:54:56] There's just this really weird moment where he's like, initially he's like, what the hell

[00:55:00] are you doing in my quarters?

[00:55:00] She is like, I just needed somewhere to go.

[00:55:03] Everybody was staring at me.

[00:55:04] And then he smiles and goes, it's okay.

[00:55:07] My other thing, my other thing was like, okay, again, my, my, my final note beyond the fact

[00:55:13] that this is a lesson about self-belief.

[00:55:15] The other two girls, they didn't have that character arc in this episode.

[00:55:19] So like, I just said the ladies just stay married to the minors.

[00:55:22] Like the, the two, the two other ladies, they, they were clearly in on their

[00:55:26] grift.

[00:55:27] Like they were, I recently watched that movie focus with Will Smith and Margot Robbie.

[00:55:32] Like they're the hot girl.

[00:55:33] Like they're, they're part of this, the con.

[00:55:35] Like, so, so Harry's just like, well, so these things like, like new con.

[00:55:41] I know I guess he's arrested, but like, they're just like, well, I guess the grift is over

[00:55:45] now.

[00:55:45] Like we're just going to be married to these guys, to these two marks.

[00:55:49] Like, I just, I just, I was like, yeah, it was odd.

[00:55:52] It was an odd resolution.

[00:55:53] Um, my favorite line of the whole episode.

[00:55:56] Well, it's, it's a series of lines, but it made me laugh out loud.

[00:56:00] Cause I forgot about it when, uh, Kirk and mud are leaving and Kirk turns to him and

[00:56:05] goes, if it makes you feel any better, I'd be happy to show up as a character witness for

[00:56:09] your trial.

[00:56:10] And he just goes, they'll throw away the key.

[00:56:13] Yeah.

[00:56:13] I thought that was good.

[00:56:14] That was kind of hoping that, that, that, that, and I don't imagine he will, but I love

[00:56:19] mud to come back.

[00:56:20] He does.

[00:56:21] Does he?

[00:56:22] Oh, excellent.

[00:56:23] He comes back.

[00:56:24] He comes back twice.

[00:56:26] Once in the, the original series.

[00:56:28] And then once again, in the animated series and apparently amazing.

[00:56:31] I had read, he's a recurring character in strange new worlds.

[00:56:36] That's amazing.

[00:56:37] I love, I, I quite enjoy him.

[00:56:39] He was very, it's one of the most fun performances we've seen thus far.

[00:56:45] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:56:46] I, I think I said, was it last week?

[00:56:48] I said it was my favorite guest character.

[00:56:49] I think this week might, he might be my favorite.

[00:56:52] I don't know.

[00:56:53] I thoroughly enjoyed him.

[00:56:55] Um, I gotta say, once again, I got a problem with Spock this entire episode.

[00:56:59] We got just smug smarmy Spock again.

[00:57:02] Um, yeah, he's, he's, he's picking fights with a distinct air of superiority through the

[00:57:07] whole thing.

[00:57:09] I'm not liking this.

[00:57:11] So clearly a lot of this stuff.

[00:57:14] Yeah.

[00:57:15] It just goes right over your head when you're younger.

[00:57:17] Cause I never noticed.

[00:57:18] I thought also, um, I was gonna say with Spock, it also seems there's a lot of like, uh, figuring

[00:57:23] a character out early on.

[00:57:25] Like the certain ones of these, they seem to pretty much like, like that.

[00:57:28] Yeah.

[00:57:28] Like Bones and Kirk, they're like, we got this.

[00:57:30] But with Spock, they just doesn't seem like they knew what he wanted.

[00:57:35] Same with, same with, uh, I would say that about Sulu and Scotty.

[00:57:40] They're not exact Scotty in particular.

[00:57:42] They're like, they he's on the bridge, but like, why?

[00:57:47] If he's engineering, surely, surely he would spend less of his time below deck.

[00:57:50] It seemed odd to me that he was on the bridge.

[00:57:52] You, you do seem there should be an engineering officer on the bridge.

[00:57:55] You do, there's very rare times you'll see Scotty on the bridge.

[00:57:59] Um, he does tend to be an engineering, but obviously this is to get Jimmy doing more screen

[00:58:04] time.

[00:58:04] Yeah.

[00:58:04] Yeah.

[00:58:05] Um, he's in the transporter room a lot.

[00:58:08] And for a chief engineer, that sounds really, that seems really odd to me.

[00:58:12] Yeah.

[00:58:13] Because when you get to the next generation, Miles O'Brien is in the transporter room a

[00:58:18] lot and he's not even a commissioned officer yet.

[00:58:21] Oh, interesting.

[00:58:22] So, you know, I mean, he's, he's a non-commissioned officer.

[00:58:26] I think he actually starts out as just a regular crewman eventually becomes a non-commissioned

[00:58:30] officer, but he's never actually miles.

[00:58:32] O'Brien never.

[00:58:33] I don't think he ever gets a commission.

[00:58:38] Ah, I don't, I don't think he ever does, even though he's, he's, that's what I always

[00:58:42] liked about the character of O'Brien is the fact that he's not an officer, but he's in the

[00:58:45] inner circle, at least in deep space nine, you know, he's the chief engineer and still not

[00:58:49] a commissioned officer, which I would think given that he's a combat veteran of multiple

[00:58:55] conflicts, you would think he would have gotten a battlefield commission at some point.

[00:58:58] Although maybe he just didn't want to, I feel like they bring that up at one point actually.

[00:59:02] And I think he says some, I could be wrong.

[00:59:04] It's been a minute.

[00:59:04] I think he does say something, the effect of like officers being an officer is too much

[00:59:08] trouble.

[00:59:09] So fair enough.

[00:59:11] I mean, sure.

[00:59:12] She's that way.

[00:59:13] But once again, we also have another episode where they could have just taken them to Talos

[00:59:17] force.

[00:59:19] Yeah.

[00:59:20] Yeah.

[00:59:21] I just, my thing was like, and then they wouldn't need the Venus drug.

[00:59:25] Yeah.

[00:59:26] Yeah.

[00:59:26] Yeah.

[00:59:26] Yeah.

[00:59:27] My thing with this episode is there's a lot of like the enterprise are, are, are yeah,

[00:59:31] again, they're, they're cops, they're cops.

[00:59:33] They gotta be cops.

[00:59:34] I don't know.

[00:59:35] I didn't enjoy that so much.

[00:59:36] Yeah.

[00:59:37] Yeah.

[00:59:37] Kirk being bad cop.

[00:59:39] I also Kirk being on the down foot the whole time and just being like, I'll compromise morally

[00:59:43] for crystals.

[00:59:44] Sure.

[00:59:45] Well, I mean you, it's, it's either you compromise morally for crystals or your ship burns up

[00:59:51] in a fiery disaster onto the planet.

[00:59:54] Yeah.

[00:59:54] True.

[00:59:55] But I will be having said I did enjoy the miners.

[00:59:58] I enjoyed their bad attitudes.

[01:00:00] I was like for what, for the, for being Antaegus, they were really good and enough cannot

[01:00:05] be said about Harry mud.

[01:00:06] Like just a truly great character.

[01:00:08] I thought you're right.

[01:00:09] I did thoroughly enjoy this episode.

[01:00:10] I knew you were going to have fun with it.

[01:00:12] I didn't know if you would like it, but I knew you were going to have fun with it.

[01:00:15] Um, and again, bad ending, bad ending, funny ending, but a bad ending.

[01:00:22] Bad ending.

[01:00:23] Yeah.

[01:00:23] They're just, which again, I'll, I'll just put it because this kind of purpose perfectly

[01:00:29] encompasses this episode.

[01:00:30] I get it.

[01:00:31] It was the sixties, but for some reason, after I watch this episode, I'm like, why do I want

[01:00:35] to watch Mad Men?

[01:00:38] Uh, I've never seen Mad Men.

[01:00:40] Oh, oh, Mad Men's good.

[01:00:42] Mad Men's heard.

[01:00:43] I've heard good things.

[01:00:44] Heard good things.

[01:00:45] Mad Men.

[01:00:46] Mad Men is an enigma for me.

[01:00:48] It's a show that I should not like because it's very slow, like in a bad way.

[01:00:53] Well, I don't.

[01:00:54] Oh, I'll comment still.

[01:00:56] I'm finished with this.

[01:00:57] Mad Men is a show that I should not like because it's a very slow paced show where

[01:01:02] honestly, from episode to episode, not a ton happens.

[01:01:06] It's a lot of conversation and yet I'm fascinated with it.

[01:01:10] I started watching it and I'm like, I don't understand why I'm, but I'm into this.

[01:01:14] I want to see more.

[01:01:15] And then there's a handful of episodes that are just incredible acting and just great

[01:01:21] story, but it shouldn't be as good as it is, but it's got a charm.

[01:01:26] It's got a, it's definitely got a nostalgia, which makes no sense.

[01:01:29] Cause I wasn't even alive in the sixties.

[01:01:31] I'm still trying to figure that out.

[01:01:33] But if you were alive in the sixties, especially if you were like, you know, 20 to 30 in the

[01:01:39] sixties, this show is going to bring you back.

[01:01:41] Like interesting.

[01:01:42] I, I mean, I, as I get older and with this show, I've kind of discovered like, yeah,

[01:01:48] I used to, my whole thing was, uh, I don't understand how a show that takes place in space

[01:01:53] could be boring.

[01:01:54] Um, that was my thesis going into this.

[01:01:56] And as I get older, I discover I prefer performance more than I prefer.

[01:01:59] Like I, in the early days of YouTube, there was a YouTube race to fall, fall called confused

[01:02:04] Matthew who hated, um, no country for old men cause quote, nothing happened.

[01:02:09] Or he hated, um, 2001 a space odyssey because to quote, nothing happens in that movie.

[01:02:14] And like, he's right.

[01:02:16] Nothing happens in that movie.

[01:02:18] But, um, it's, I can, I can be like, like, there's no story.

[01:02:22] And it was one of the most painlessly painful or painfully boring movies I've ever seen in

[01:02:26] my life.

[01:02:27] But, but even I could be like, it's a technical marvel for the 1960s.

[01:02:31] So like, yeah.

[01:02:33] Um, yeah.

[01:02:33] Just the thing about mad men again, it's, and I get how they keep you engaged because

[01:02:37] you learn things about characters that the characters don't know, or certain characters

[01:02:42] don't know that character a nose and this, that, and the other, like, honestly, the first

[01:02:46] episode ends with a startling revelation that in the last like 30 seconds changes completely

[01:02:54] the tone of what you had just seen for, you know, 45, 50 minutes with less than a minute

[01:03:01] of a revelation.

[01:03:02] So, and it does that a lot.

[01:03:04] It's shot beautifully, but at the same time, there's not a lot of really dynamic camera work.

[01:03:08] It's fairly static.

[01:03:10] Like it's, it's not as static as Star Trek, but I mean, it's, there's a beauty in the

[01:03:15] simplicity is what I'm getting at.

[01:03:17] Um, it's basically, the shots are basically there to showcase the performances.

[01:03:21] It's not really a lot of the cameras, not as much of a part of the story as you would

[01:03:28] see in shows like the walking dead, you know, as far as the camera movements and whatnot,

[01:03:32] but it's done deliberately and it's done very well.

[01:03:35] Yeah.

[01:03:36] Like, I mean, if you want to talk like character, I mean, I'm, I'm always going to be a breaking

[01:03:39] bad fan.

[01:03:40] Like that show was like 90% performance for me.

[01:03:43] Yeah.

[01:03:44] Yeah.

[01:03:44] Most definitely.

[01:03:45] Um, I would recommend you give mad man a shot.

[01:03:48] It's on my list of shows.

[01:03:49] I will eventually one day sit down and watch.

[01:03:52] Yeah.

[01:03:53] It's very good.

[01:03:53] It's very good.

[01:03:54] Jon Hamm kills it.

[01:03:56] I mean, I mean, let's be, let's be real.

[01:03:58] Everybody kills it in mad men, but Jon Hamm is exceptional.

[01:04:02] I've heard exceptionally great things about it.

[01:04:04] Yeah.

[01:04:05] It's on my like very long list of shows.

[01:04:07] I need to watch.

[01:04:08] See, I think Jon Hamm could play Starfleet captain.

[01:04:10] I think that could be a thing.

[01:04:13] Yeah.

[01:04:14] I'm kind of surprised.

[01:04:15] I'm surprised they didn't hire him for Pike.

[01:04:18] Like, well for, um, it's funny you say that because we did, we did episode two and

[01:04:22] talked about doppelgangers, but Jon Hamm and, uh, who plays Archer on enterprise.

[01:04:28] Oh, you know what?

[01:04:29] I always thought they were the same person.

[01:04:31] It's funny.

[01:04:32] I almost scoffed at that, but then I thought about it.

[01:04:33] I'm like, yeah, you know what?

[01:04:34] If you dyed his hair black, I could see it.

[01:04:36] Yeah.

[01:04:36] For the longest time, I thought they were the same person.

[01:04:38] And then I realized there were different people.

[01:04:40] And don't get me wrong.

[01:04:40] Cause Scott, Scott Bakula did great.

[01:04:42] Um, but honestly, John Hamm, John Hamm could have done that job.

[01:04:46] Yeah.

[01:04:47] I mean, I liked John Hamm.

[01:04:48] Yeah.

[01:04:48] I, I, I, you got a different kind of charisma.

[01:04:52] Like I really enjoyed him in, in tag.

[01:04:54] I really quite liked that movie.

[01:04:56] I was shocked.

[01:04:58] I love the fact that it was based on a real group of friends.

[01:05:02] That's what did it for me.

[01:05:03] When you read about the real story.

[01:05:05] Yeah.

[01:05:05] That's nuts.

[01:05:06] Yet again, our red shirt tally stands at zero.

[01:05:11] It's how you say that every time I talk about like, like slasher flicks or like the terrifying,

[01:05:16] terrifier movies, those movies are fun.

[01:05:18] It feels weird to say that.

[01:05:21] Yeah.

[01:05:21] Um, it's just, it's, it became, I I'll be honest.

[01:05:23] I don't think it actually becomes a regularly occurring thing until season two.

[01:05:27] Sure.

[01:05:28] It doesn't seem that way.

[01:05:29] No, this episode in fact had no, there's no deaths.

[01:05:31] I don't think anyone died.

[01:05:32] Yeah, that's true.

[01:05:33] Nobody died.

[01:05:34] Nobody died.

[01:05:35] It was one less episode.

[01:05:36] And it wasn't, it didn't end on a weird bummer.

[01:05:39] If anything that I knew it, weird already.

[01:05:44] They don't like each other domestic life.

[01:05:47] Yeah.

[01:05:47] I didn't notice that.

[01:05:49] That really came.

[01:05:50] Like how I mentioned, not, not how I met your mother.

[01:05:52] They got real married with children real fast, real fast.

[01:05:55] And I just, I did kind of appreciate the bit where it was like, they did a reversal

[01:06:01] on like the stereotypical, like career woman today.

[01:06:05] Who the, the, I don't need a man finger wagging, except this time it was the guy who's like, I don't need no wife, even though I negotiated a deal to get you down here.

[01:06:13] Um, but he's like, I cooked my own food and I'm just like, what do you, what do you want her for?

[01:06:19] Yeah.

[01:06:19] Right.

[01:06:20] What, what are we doing?

[01:06:21] I was just going to look at him.

[01:06:22] What are we doing here?

[01:06:24] Yeah.

[01:06:24] I mean, you don't want her to clean.

[01:06:27] You don't want her to cook.

[01:06:28] You don't want her to mess with your things.

[01:06:30] He's like, I'm an independent man.

[01:06:31] I've been a, he's like, he's like, he's like, I'm a, I'm an independent bachelor and I intend to live that way.

[01:06:37] You know, you didn't, you didn't, you didn't like court this woman in a typical manner, right?

[01:06:42] You bought her.

[01:06:44] Yeah.

[01:06:44] Your indignation is weird and unnecessary.

[01:06:47] Yeah.

[01:06:47] But she was, it's not like she fell down into your life either.

[01:06:51] It was like, you negotiated a price for this to happen.

[01:06:56] You bought, you bought this woman.

[01:06:57] You were like, the dislike of her is very strange.

[01:07:02] Which again, I don't, I don't think it was technically illegal.

[01:07:05] It kind of feels mail order bridey, which again is not illegal, but it's a little.

[01:07:11] They consented.

[01:07:11] Technically speaking, they, they signed up for this.

[01:07:14] That's what I'm saying.

[01:07:15] They signed up for it.

[01:07:16] So I'm not going to say it's illegal.

[01:07:17] Um, but again, it's one of those things where if he goes back there, he's like, yes, this is my mail order space wife.

[01:07:24] Right.

[01:07:24] Who takes pretty pills, but not anymore.

[01:07:27] Because she got her.

[01:07:30] I think only one of them was from space Russia.

[01:07:34] She was like from space in Nebraska.

[01:07:36] That's true.

[01:07:37] I thought it, I thought that the payoff was going to be that, that like she had taken the drug so much and like absorbed into her skin and it would be effective permanent now.

[01:07:45] Maybe, maybe it is one of those kinds of drugs, or maybe she needs it more as time goes on.

[01:07:49] Yeah.

[01:07:50] What it kind of reminded me of it reminded me of the limitless drug.

[01:07:54] Yeah.

[01:07:55] That movie, the lesson of that movie.

[01:07:57] I said, I said it as I was walking out of it.

[01:07:59] The first time of my friends went shut.

[01:08:00] But, um, the lesson of that movie is to do drugs.

[01:08:04] And then when the drugs start to mess you up, do more drugs to counter out those, counter out those drugs and make the drugs awesome.

[01:08:12] Well, you basically just described the American medical system.

[01:08:17] That is true.

[01:08:17] I did.

[01:08:18] Are you not wrong?

[01:08:19] Well, cause I know, I know, I know a person who, and these are all prescribed by a medical doctor.

[01:08:25] He takes Adderall for his ADHD, but the Adderall makes it so that he can't sleep.

[01:08:30] So then he has to take Ambien to counteract the effects of the Adderall.

[01:08:33] And I'm just kind of like redundant.

[01:08:37] This seems like, this seems like too many drugs.

[01:08:41] I don't know.

[01:08:42] It does seem like too.

[01:08:42] One would say that is too many drugs.

[01:08:45] But this seems like too many, too many drugs to counter out other drugs.

[01:08:49] But I'm just saying I would take the limitless drug.

[01:08:52] I would take it.

[01:08:53] I take the Venus drug.

[01:08:55] I would also take the Venus drug.

[01:08:56] Yeah.

[01:08:57] That just sounds like steroids.

[01:08:58] I was going to say it sounded like testosterone for men.

[01:09:01] That's a better.

[01:09:02] I was going to say, because I wouldn't take steroids, but.

[01:09:05] It reminded me of that episode where, where, where Hagee is drugging Hank with testosterone.

[01:09:10] That's what it reminded me of.

[01:09:12] But anyway, any final thoughts on Mudd's women?

[01:09:17] What's the next episode?

[01:09:18] What's the name of the next episode?

[01:09:19] I enjoyed the bit last week where I, where I tried to guess what it was about.

[01:09:23] Okay.

[01:09:23] I actually don't remember what this episode is about.

[01:09:26] I'd have to look it up.

[01:09:27] But anyway, join us next week on the final frontier when we watch and take a look at the episode.

[01:09:32] What are little girls made of?

[01:09:34] Oh, no.

[01:09:36] I don't think it's.

[01:09:38] I don't think it's a bad one.

[01:09:41] Okay.

[01:09:41] Because, because that makes it sound like a bad one.

[01:09:44] I know.

[01:09:45] I was the little girl in question that that that that that'll probably be my first note.

[01:09:49] I think it's an actual, I think it's a girl.

[01:09:52] We shall see, but we will see you guys next week on the final frontier.

[01:10:03] She was his fiance and she's no longer his fiance.

[01:10:07] I didn't get the vibe that they were still together.

[01:10:09] Well, until, until they do a weird 1960s kiss later.

[01:10:12] When Andrea kisses Kirk and then slaps him, Shatner looks into it.

[01:10:16] That's all I'm saying.

[01:10:17] Way to show up 10 minutes late, Spock.

[01:10:19] Come on, man.