The Final Frontier Season 1 Episode 9: Kirk is VERY Bad With Kids

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[00:01:21] This is another one of those I went like, am I, am I, am I, is it because it's the 1960s? Is this another one of those? It was Consent Lucid. Anyway, we'll get there, we'll get there, we'll get there.

[00:01:32] Yeah, we'll get there. But anyway, we are talking about the episode Miri.

[00:01:39] Miri.

[00:01:39] This episode takes place between Star Dates 2713.5 to 2717.3. The in-universe date is 2266 still, and the original air date is October 27th, 1966.

[00:01:52] Episode was written by Adrian Spies, or Spies, I'm not sure how you pronounce it, but it's spelled like Spies, but it's probably pronounced Spies. We'll figure it out. And directed by Vincent McEvity, because it's M-C-E-V-E-E-T-Y.

[00:02:10] So, my note on the Paramount Plus description, and it's a two-fold note, okay? Because I actually did look something up this week. I promised myself I never would, but I had to.

[00:02:23] So, I said, is, the note on the description is, is this a Children of Corn thing? Because it sure sounds like a Children of Corn thing. And my question is, is that too niche of a reference?

[00:02:37] Yes and no.

[00:02:39] And no. So, what made that particular note kind of funny was, later on, to kind of jump ahead a little bit, I said that the episode really reminded me of that episode of South Park, where they make the adults disappear.

[00:02:52] I don't want to say the name of it, because I don't want to get us demonetized. But, the episode where they make, and then I looked it up, and that episode of South Park is actually based on this episode.

[00:03:01] Is it really? Oh, I see it now.

[00:03:03] Yeah, yeah, it's based on, it's based on this episode, and the Children of Corn. It's kind of a dual thing.

[00:03:08] So, the note that it reminded me of Children of Corn, I thought that was extra funny.

[00:03:12] And I constantly forget how big of Star Trek fans Matt and Trey are.

[00:03:16] And, like, even in season one, one of my favorite episodes, just for the stupidest reason, you, you, of course, know what I'm talking about, I say Planet Arium.

[00:03:24] Welcome to the Planet Arium.

[00:03:26] Oh, yes, the Planet Arium.

[00:03:29] Yes, yes, I do. Of course I do.

[00:03:31] That's attacks in my South Park knowledge there.

[00:03:34] That episode is, too, based on a Star Trek episode.

[00:03:37] But it's also the origin of my penchant for pronouncing the word aquarium, aquarium.

[00:03:44] That's so funny.

[00:03:46] Just to piss people off.

[00:03:48] That's so funny.

[00:03:50] Oh, would you like to go to the aquarium?

[00:03:52] And you'd be amazed how many people just stare at me blankly, not understanding what I just said.

[00:03:56] There's something else.

[00:03:58] There's something I do that as well.

[00:03:59] And it's become such an ingrained thing.

[00:04:03] Oh, whenever you hear me call it Channing's Tatum.

[00:04:08] Channing's Tatum or Channing's Tatum.

[00:04:10] That I got from a podcast.

[00:04:12] There's just certain references I'll make where I'm like, I've just done them so.

[00:04:15] Or we talked about Sausage Party.

[00:04:19] Me and Jordan will often be like, touch tips, touch tips.

[00:04:22] And that comes from that movie.

[00:04:23] Sometimes they become so ingrained that you're like, you don't even know where the reference comes from.

[00:04:30] That's why I love, like, where you're like, oh, I know this.

[00:04:33] Why do I know this?

[00:04:34] It's an episode of South Park.

[00:04:35] So our story begins, our very uncomfortable story, in multiple ways.

[00:04:41] Begins with the Enterprise answering a distress call.

[00:04:43] You know, something we've seen before.

[00:04:45] Upon arriving at the planet, the crew discovers it's an exact duplicate of Earth down to the geography and atmosphere.

[00:04:52] And it was funny because when I was watching the episode, I'm like, that planet looks suspiciously like Earth.

[00:04:57] And then the United States, well, North America popped up.

[00:04:59] I'm like, oh, it's Earth.

[00:05:01] It's Earth.

[00:05:01] Well, my, my thing.

[00:05:03] Okay.

[00:05:03] Yeah, that I forgot about that bit.

[00:05:05] First of all, they describe it as an Earth style distress signal signal.

[00:05:09] Does that mean other species have their own style?

[00:05:12] So you're like, that's a Vulcan style distress signal.

[00:05:15] Actually, actually, yes.

[00:05:17] And.

[00:05:18] Oh, interesting.

[00:05:19] When, when, when they say that, what they would be referring to is pre-Federation.

[00:05:24] Oh.

[00:05:24] Obviously dealing.

[00:05:25] Because like when you get a Klingon distress signal, you know, it's a Klingon distress signal.

[00:05:29] Now you might still get host Federation.

[00:05:32] You still might get a Vulcan distress signal.

[00:05:34] It would just be like a Vulcan science vessel.

[00:05:37] Just for example.

[00:05:38] I thought maybe it meant like they were using like Morse code.

[00:05:41] Like that was like a really old school.

[00:05:44] Maybe.

[00:05:45] Potentially.

[00:05:46] And then the.

[00:05:47] That actually comes up later.

[00:05:48] Oh, does it?

[00:05:49] Oh, interesting.

[00:05:50] And then so my other note about the Earth thing was just that, oh, the twin planet.

[00:05:55] That, that, that is a concept that we now know of in terms of like actual.

[00:06:00] Oh, I always fucked them.

[00:06:01] Astronomy.

[00:06:03] Or is it astrology?

[00:06:04] I always get the two confused.

[00:06:05] Astrophysics.

[00:06:06] I think you're, I think astronomy.

[00:06:07] Astronomy.

[00:06:08] Yeah.

[00:06:09] Um, is that, cause that, cause we understand that to be a thing now, but the way they act

[00:06:12] on the show, they're genuinely shocked to see one of Earth.

[00:06:15] Um, cause this once again, obviously reminded me of an Orville episode.

[00:06:19] Um, in one, the, the one way, but, um, so it made me go the way they act shocked to find

[00:06:26] it made me go, is this like a relatively new idea to them based on, on the thought process

[00:06:32] of the writing in the 1960s?

[00:06:34] Rob, probably in science fiction, I would imagine in physics, that was something that

[00:06:38] in astrophysics, that was something that would have been hypothesized, you know, at

[00:06:42] least decades before, but actually the Orville episode you're referring to may be based on

[00:06:49] a novelization sequel to this episode.

[00:06:51] And which is explained that this planet, Mary's planet, the duplicate Earth actually phased into

[00:06:57] the universe of Star Trek in a similar way to the planet that phases in and out.

[00:07:04] And I'm like, okay, that's interesting.

[00:07:05] Now, of course that was after the fact.

[00:07:07] So it was retconned in the novel.

[00:07:10] Not yet.

[00:07:11] But so I'm like, I like sometimes retcons are fun.

[00:07:14] Yeah.

[00:07:15] Interesting.

[00:07:16] Often they're stupid, but sometimes they're fun.

[00:07:18] So a landing party of Kirk, Spock, Dr. McCoy, Yeoman Janice Rand for some reason,

[00:07:23] and two security personnel find, well, they land on the planet and they find that where

[00:07:27] they land resembles an abandoned 1960s style Earth.

[00:07:31] Oh, yeah.

[00:07:32] That's what I mean.

[00:07:32] I said, of course they landed in the 1960s.

[00:07:35] In regards to the town itself, was that a real town?

[00:07:38] No, but it's even better.

[00:07:40] It's even better.

[00:07:40] Really?

[00:07:40] Because I thought, oh, this is just a wild, wild west set they've constructed.

[00:07:44] But then there were points where I'm like, this looks like it's a little town that they've

[00:07:48] like, but I'm like, does Star Trek have like a ban emptying a town power at this point?

[00:07:53] I don't think they do.

[00:07:54] You you are going to love this.

[00:07:56] That town is Mayberry from the Andy Griffith show.

[00:07:59] Really?

[00:08:00] Like like the set?

[00:08:01] The sets.

[00:08:02] Yes.

[00:08:03] Oh, fascinating.

[00:08:04] So the outdoor scenes were shot in the streets of the set that stood in for the town of Mayberry

[00:08:09] and the Andy Griffith show visible are the old courthouse, the barbershop, feeding

[00:08:13] grain store, Walker's drugs, the bank, the grocery store, the grand movie theater and

[00:08:18] the building with the small porch where the crew runs in to the Hotel Mayberry.

[00:08:23] So the porch that the crew runs into is the Hotel Mayberry.

[00:08:26] And another fun fact, Michael J.

[00:08:28] Pillard, who plays John, we'll meet him in a bit.

[00:08:31] The leader of the kids played Barney Five's bumbling cousin in the episode Cousin Virgil.

[00:08:36] And when Kirk asked Spock to estimate the time period, Spock responds with, you know, 1960s

[00:08:42] specifically.

[00:08:43] That's when the show came out present day.

[00:08:45] Yeah.

[00:08:46] It's kind of like the episode of Deep Space Nine where Cisco, Bashir and I think Jake

[00:08:53] time travel back to like 2024, actually.

[00:08:59] What is it?

[00:08:59] That calendar over there.

[00:09:00] It says August 30th, 2024.

[00:09:03] I'm not sure I understand.

[00:09:04] You ever hear of the Bell riots?

[00:09:06] Vaguely.

[00:09:07] It is one of the most violent civil disturbances in American history.

[00:09:10] And it happened right here.

[00:09:11] San Francisco Sanctuary District A, the first week of September 2024.

[00:09:16] But that episode came out in the 90s.

[00:09:18] It was quite funny.

[00:09:19] But I wrote to you, I was like, they speak English.

[00:09:21] That's very convenient.

[00:09:22] And not because the children are speaking English, because the buildings are written in English.

[00:09:27] Yeah, right.

[00:09:28] I mean, they speak English.

[00:09:30] They do, but you could Star Trek retcons that by saying they have universal translators.

[00:09:35] So that doesn't mean the kids are necessarily speaking.

[00:09:37] Well, the kids were speaking English because that's what they speak.

[00:09:41] Yeah.

[00:09:41] But we know they speak English because of what's written on their buildings.

[00:09:45] How did you feel about Yeoman Rand being in the landing party?

[00:09:48] Well, I mean.

[00:09:50] Okay.

[00:09:52] My thoughts.

[00:09:53] My thoughts were, why is a Yeoman in a landing party?

[00:09:58] I didn't really think too much of it until like this group shot of all of them running.

[00:10:05] And she does this silly little run.

[00:10:07] And I'm like, she feels ill-equipped for this.

[00:10:09] Like my favorite is like the one red shirt who just like gets all the way around instantly.

[00:10:14] I'm like, whoa, he booked it.

[00:10:16] And he got like, like Kirk is the first one there because he slows down to match William

[00:10:21] Jackner's face.

[00:10:23] So, so, so Kirk can get up there first.

[00:10:26] This is genuine.

[00:10:27] But her, just the way he kicked her legs.

[00:10:30] Yeah.

[00:10:30] Oh shit.

[00:10:31] I can't make him look bad.

[00:10:32] But her silly little legs as they flap behind her made me laugh.

[00:10:36] And to be fair, this is not saying that women don't belong in a landing party, but a

[00:10:40] Yeoman who was essentially an assistant to the captain.

[00:10:43] I can't fathom any reason why a Yeoman would need to be a landing party that even has a

[00:10:47] slight potential of danger.

[00:10:50] It does.

[00:10:50] That does seem like an odd.

[00:10:51] Well, I mean, I know why she's there.

[00:10:54] I know that.

[00:10:55] I know exactly why she's there, but in universe reason, in universe reason.

[00:10:59] No, I cannot think of a reason.

[00:11:01] Is it?

[00:11:01] She like effectively like a gopher.

[00:11:04] She's an assistant.

[00:11:05] Yeah.

[00:11:05] She's a basic personal assistant to the captain.

[00:11:08] Yeah.

[00:11:08] No, no.

[00:11:09] It seems like an odd time to bring your associate.

[00:11:12] I guess maybe he thought he might want coffee when he was down there.

[00:11:15] I don't know.

[00:11:16] The landing party is attacked by a disfigured man who has a seizure and dies after Kirk

[00:11:20] hits him while trying to fend him off.

[00:11:23] Noise draws the landing party to an abandoned building.

[00:11:26] I found this scene simultaneously hilarious and actually, but also very good.

[00:11:31] I like that.

[00:11:32] Oh, I mean, I've got a number of notes about the makeup.

[00:11:34] The makeup is sufficiently upsetting looking.

[00:11:36] I was like, yeah, it's pretty.

[00:11:37] I was impressed by the makeup.

[00:11:39] Yeah.

[00:11:39] I'm also becoming very impressed because I usually, I like to poke fun at Star Trek's

[00:11:44] fight choreography, but I'll be honest.

[00:11:46] This scene was actually quite well choreographed.

[00:11:51] It was okay.

[00:11:52] I do have a note that McCoy needs to learn jujitsu.

[00:11:54] I mean, yeah.

[00:11:56] Yeah.

[00:11:56] Yes, it does.

[00:11:57] And then, but holy shit, that got dark really quick.

[00:12:00] Yeah.

[00:12:01] Yeah.

[00:12:01] It always really did.

[00:12:02] Because at first it starts out kind of silly, but then it becomes clear that this, this,

[00:12:06] this man is obviously suffering and manic and is going crazy.

[00:12:11] He's clearly suffering.

[00:12:13] He's not well.

[00:12:14] I feel like Kirk hits him too many times.

[00:12:17] A little bit, a little bit.

[00:12:18] Yeah.

[00:12:19] One too many.

[00:12:20] But yeah, poor McCoy.

[00:12:21] He's just, he's like a, oh, he's like me.

[00:12:23] The first time I rolled in jujitsu was just, it had no good idea what to do.

[00:12:29] So he's just kind of on the ground, hoping.

[00:12:32] Just hoping you're okay.

[00:12:34] They discover a teenage girl named Miri who ran away from them because Rupps, or what

[00:12:38] we find out the children refer to as grownups, killed and maimed the children on the planet

[00:12:43] before dying out.

[00:12:44] He and her friends are onlys, the only ones left.

[00:12:47] The distress call is traced to an automated signal.

[00:12:50] This is the first of two, well, two or three, more like three or four.

[00:12:56] This is the first of many uncomfortable scenes.

[00:12:59] Well, I mean, when they first find her, my note, Bone says something to the effect of,

[00:13:04] why would she be upset?

[00:13:05] Why would she find us upsetting?

[00:13:06] Like, well, to be fair, Bones, five guys and one woman in strange clothes just like accosted

[00:13:11] her in a closet.

[00:13:12] So you'd be forgiven to think she wouldn't be upsetting.

[00:13:16] And then yes, my note, two notes in a row is obviously the first one is, is Kirk flirting

[00:13:23] with this child.

[00:13:24] And then the subsequent note of it really seems like Kirk is flirting with this child.

[00:13:28] See, here's the thing though.

[00:13:29] And this is where I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

[00:13:31] So I don't want this to be misconstrued.

[00:13:33] I'm just telling you what my mindset was while I was watching this scene so that you can understand

[00:13:38] how it changed later.

[00:13:40] I wasn't sure if Kirk was rizzing the kid or if this, because William Shatner was a father

[00:13:46] at this point.

[00:13:47] So, yeah, like I couldn't tell, I couldn't tell what they were necessarily going for.

[00:13:52] And I don't blame William Shatner for this.

[00:13:54] I went back.

[00:13:55] I went back to Charlie X.

[00:13:59] Charlie X is the last time he had to deal with a kid, right?

[00:14:02] Yeah, but it was a completely different.

[00:14:03] Yeah.

[00:14:04] I mean, okay, no, but it shouldn't be.

[00:14:06] It shouldn't be different.

[00:14:08] Okay.

[00:14:08] I'm going to push back a little bit there.

[00:14:10] There are absolutely the way you, and this goes for both genders too.

[00:14:14] The way you talk to boys is a little different than the way you talk to girls.

[00:14:18] Okay.

[00:14:19] Right.

[00:14:19] Okay.

[00:14:20] I will give you that.

[00:14:22] Not this.

[00:14:23] I'm not saying this scene was okay.

[00:14:26] I'm not.

[00:14:26] I saw how he interacted with a child before, and I went, that's why I went, the red flag

[00:14:32] city, red flag city.

[00:14:34] There's too many red flags for me.

[00:14:35] And immediately I was like, I will say the reason why my first note was, is Kirk flirting

[00:14:41] with the child?

[00:14:42] So that's because you're right.

[00:14:43] I did give him the benefit of the doubt initially.

[00:14:48] Initially.

[00:14:49] But eventually I was like, ooh, Justin's uncomfy.

[00:14:52] We also do have to understand that you and I are now the product of many, many things that

[00:14:58] were not considered creepy in the 1960s that are absolutely considered.

[00:15:02] Oh, for sure.

[00:15:03] And wrongfully so.

[00:15:05] Because for example, the, the idea of, you know, talking sweetly to a child just because

[00:15:10] it, it's a child, you know, or being nice to a child that you don't know is kind of like

[00:15:16] that's considered strange.

[00:15:17] Now when there was a time when it absolutely would not have been.

[00:15:21] Yeah.

[00:15:22] Perhaps, perhaps he, okay.

[00:15:24] Benefit of the doubt early on without talking about what happens later in the episode.

[00:15:29] Yes.

[00:15:29] Maybe, okay.

[00:15:30] You'd be forgiven.

[00:15:31] Like he, cause they do kind of make the case that like they, they, they use weird language,

[00:15:37] but like she has a crush on him.

[00:15:39] So, okay.

[00:15:40] Yeah, that comes later.

[00:15:41] Maybe.

[00:15:41] That comes later.

[00:15:42] If he, if he recognizes that, then all right.

[00:15:45] And he, and he's just kind of going with it to get what they need out of them.

[00:15:48] All right.

[00:15:50] But nah, dog.

[00:15:51] The one question I had though, before they were attacked by the mutated man was why does

[00:15:55] everybody want to touch the fucking tricycle?

[00:15:57] Yeah, that was fair.

[00:15:58] That's just a really long, long shot.

[00:16:00] Was it bones?

[00:16:00] Just staring at it longingly.

[00:16:03] It was like Kirk picks it up.

[00:16:05] Then he hands it to Spock.

[00:16:06] Spock picks it up, looks at it and hands it to McCoy.

[00:16:08] For some reason.

[00:16:09] And then McCoy stares at it.

[00:16:11] I think the idea maybe was probably to be like, is this is so you get that this is basically

[00:16:16] earth.

[00:16:17] I think it's probably the idea.

[00:16:18] The one thing in that scene though, that kind of broke my heart a little bit was the

[00:16:22] guy, the mutated guy.

[00:16:25] One of the last things he says before he dies, spoiler alert, is that it was broken.

[00:16:31] You know, he was very upset about this and he asked if somebody would fix it and bones

[00:16:36] just, just DeForest Kelly.

[00:16:38] It's such a small little moment, but DeForest Kelly delivers a fucking 10 out of 10 performance.

[00:16:45] Somebody broke it.

[00:16:50] Thanks.

[00:16:53] Somebody please fix.

[00:16:56] Of course.

[00:16:58] Somebody will fix it.

[00:16:59] Yeah.

[00:16:59] Yeah.

[00:17:00] Because he says, of course, someone will fix the tricycle.

[00:17:04] But just in that moment, bones has no other idea what to say.

[00:17:09] And right.

[00:17:09] He's a doctor.

[00:17:10] It's because McCoy is a healer though.

[00:17:13] Yeah, exactly.

[00:17:14] He wants this person to be okay, at least in the moment.

[00:17:18] Yeah.

[00:17:18] And then he, and then he dies.

[00:17:19] And see, that's what I, I find the older I get, the more I like McCoy.

[00:17:24] When I was a kid, I loved me some Spock.

[00:17:27] I loved me some Kirk as an, as like an older man.

[00:17:30] I really appreciate DeForest Kelly's McCoy.

[00:17:33] I'm definitely enjoying, enjoying it more than I could.

[00:17:36] Yeah.

[00:17:36] I thought I was going to be all about Kirk, but I really enjoy it.

[00:17:39] I'm really enjoying some McCoy.

[00:17:40] I'm loving the performances.

[00:17:42] I mean, I really wish I had had the opportunity to meet DeForest Kelly before he passed.

[00:17:47] Cause I think this has made me want to go back and watch more of his stuff.

[00:17:51] Cause I've only seen him in Star Trek.

[00:17:54] Oh.

[00:17:55] So I, I really, I really want to go back and check out some DeForest Kelly stuff.

[00:18:01] Just like, just become familiar with his filmography.

[00:18:04] Well, cause I imagine it's going to be quite good.

[00:18:07] Oh, for sure.

[00:18:08] Yeah.

[00:18:08] Back to the uncomfortable scene.

[00:18:10] I did laugh though, for a moment, cause I said, Kirk absolutely lies to a child's face.

[00:18:15] A little bit.

[00:18:16] Yep.

[00:18:17] Yeah, a little bit.

[00:18:18] He did in fact hurt the guy.

[00:18:20] He did.

[00:18:20] He did.

[00:18:21] He did hurt him repeatedly.

[00:18:22] Mary watched you do it.

[00:18:23] And, um, you just straight up lied to that child's face.

[00:18:26] And they all watched him do it.

[00:18:28] Yeah.

[00:18:29] Repeatedly.

[00:18:30] Um, question about Mary.

[00:18:32] Um, did she give you Judy Garland vibes?

[00:18:34] Cause she gave me Judy.

[00:18:36] Oh, you know, now that you say that a little bit.

[00:18:40] Yeah.

[00:18:41] Yeah.

[00:18:41] A little bit.

[00:18:42] I was certain she's not.

[00:18:44] Yeah.

[00:18:44] Is not related to Judy Garland, but I was like, is this like a cousin or something?

[00:18:48] Cause I'm getting, I'm getting Judy Garland vibes, which is a good thing because I, Judy

[00:18:54] Garland in a star is born, which is the second version of the first remake, the second version, um, to this day is one of the movies that can bring me to tears.

[00:19:03] It is really, I mean, I'm a wizard of Oz lover.

[00:19:07] So, you know, Oh, don't get me wrong.

[00:19:09] I love wizard of Oz.

[00:19:09] The reason that that version of a star is born, which the, the Bradley Cooper lady Gaga version is great too.

[00:19:16] And the original is phenomenal.

[00:19:18] I'm not seeing the, um, I'm not seeing the Streisand version.

[00:19:21] I should though.

[00:19:22] Cause I hear it's good as well.

[00:19:24] Um, but the reason the Judy Garland one is particularly sad for me is because of a, what happens in the movie.

[00:19:29] And that was supposed to be the movie that would win Judy Garland, her Oscar.

[00:19:34] Ah, and I'll, I'll be honest.

[00:19:37] I've seen breakfast at Tiffany's.

[00:19:40] Oh, I don't know.

[00:19:41] She would see, man, I'm just sort of realizing how little I know about Judy Garland's filmography.

[00:19:46] I know she was in breakfast at Tiffany's.

[00:19:47] No, no, no, no.

[00:19:48] She's not.

[00:19:48] Audrey Hepburn won the Oscar.

[00:19:50] Oh, I was going to say.

[00:19:52] Ah, I've never seen breakfast at Tiffany's.

[00:19:54] Yeah.

[00:19:55] And I, and I, and I don't think so.

[00:19:57] Judy Garland was supposed to, she was pretty much from what I understand.

[00:20:01] Again, if you were alive during the 1954 Oscars and I'm wrong, please tell me.

[00:20:06] But it was my understanding that she was pretty well, widely considered to finally be getting her Oscar that year.

[00:20:11] And not to, I'm not trying to say Audrey Hepburn was bad.

[00:20:16] I'm not.

[00:20:17] But I've seen both movies.

[00:20:19] And I just don't think that the performance in Breakfast at Tiffany's was superior to Judy Garland's In A Star Is Born.

[00:20:30] Audrey Hepburn, I, I think it was in a movie I've seen that I didn't like.

[00:20:34] I, I didn't, I didn't see the, what was all the hype around her.

[00:20:37] I can't remember what it was.

[00:20:38] I, I, I'm going to choose my words carefully because I'm not saying she's bad.

[00:20:42] I'm saying that I, I, I didn't see it.

[00:20:49] I didn't see what clearly people in the Academy must have seen.

[00:20:53] I, I, I didn't see it.

[00:20:55] I also wasn't alive in 1954.

[00:20:56] So, and I certainly wasn't watching movies.

[00:20:59] Neither was I.

[00:21:00] Wasn't alive back then either.

[00:21:02] I remember too, speaking of Judy Garland, this made me, this made me a fan of hers.

[00:21:08] Other than, you know, Dorothy, obviously, grew up in The Wizard of Oz.

[00:21:12] But this made me really appreciate Judy Garland and the absolute tragedy that was her life was,

[00:21:17] I was listening to NPR randomly and they were playing some excerpts of a performance she'd done at the Grand Ole Opry.

[00:21:24] Because apparently she did that in the later stages of her life where she would go around and do musical tours.

[00:21:31] And I'm kicking myself for not remembering because apparently this is an album you can buy.

[00:21:35] But I cannot find it.

[00:21:37] Or at least you could have bought it at one time.

[00:21:39] And I wish I'd bought it because there's a moment where she's finished up a song and I,

[00:21:46] clearly it's been recorded because they played it on NPR.

[00:21:48] And the audience starts singing somewhere over the rainbow.

[00:21:52] And Judy just has this moment.

[00:21:53] It's so sweet where she basically, and you can tell in her voice, she's actually very happy right now.

[00:21:58] She tells him, she says, we'll get there.

[00:22:01] We'll get there.

[00:22:02] We'll, we'll get them all, you know.

[00:22:05] And I'm just like, that's fucking beautiful.

[00:22:08] Yeah, that's very sweet.

[00:22:09] The landing party, except for Spock, notice purple lesions on their bodies.

[00:22:13] Miri tells them that these are the first signs of the disease that has infected the planet.

[00:22:17] And they will soon become like the other adults.

[00:22:19] The party find a medical research laboratory and look through documents for clues to the disease,

[00:22:24] discovering that it is a side effect of the life extension experiment affecting those who have reached puberty.

[00:22:30] Death follows a brief period of violent madness.

[00:22:33] The children are actually over 300 years old, aging one month every century.

[00:22:39] But show the mental and emotional maturity of their biological age rather than their actual age.

[00:22:45] Basically, they discover that they have about seven days before the disease is going to overtake them.

[00:22:50] But they find that Spock is apparently immune.

[00:22:53] He considers himself a carrier, though, and he cannot return to the Enterprise.

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[00:23:33] Not me.

[00:23:35] Kirk uses his charm on Miri to persuade her to show him the other children.

[00:23:41] I'm going to rewrite that sentence right now.

[00:23:46] Okay, so I got a number of notes post-Kirk flirting with the child the first time.

[00:23:53] So I initially called it the town that makes you old because that's what it kind of looked like.

[00:23:58] So they're trying to create immortality?

[00:24:00] Is that the idea here?

[00:24:02] Yeah, yeah.

[00:24:03] I don't know about immortality, but at the very least life extension.

[00:24:06] And, yeah, is the town that makes you old not affecting Spock because he's an alien?

[00:24:12] Is that the idea?

[00:24:12] Yeah, that's basically it.

[00:24:14] Thankfully, this is one of the episodes where I think it actually works better

[00:24:16] that they don't go into the why.

[00:24:18] They just acknowledge that there must be something about his alien physiology that...

[00:24:23] You don't need to.

[00:24:24] Well, actually, I have a note here that Spock highlights...

[00:24:27] This episode with Spock highlights the big advantage

[00:24:29] of having a biologically diverse crew on your ship.

[00:24:33] But...

[00:24:34] Yeah, that's true.

[00:24:34] It does make it...

[00:24:35] So, yeah, situations like this, you have someone who has a level head.

[00:24:38] Yeah, up until this point, I had a note that said they keep saying children,

[00:24:44] but we only ever see her.

[00:24:46] Up until that point, we'd only really seen her.

[00:24:48] We had heard some children.

[00:24:49] So I thought that maybe there was a twist coming where she was the only one left

[00:24:52] and she was making it seem, but that's not what ended up happening.

[00:24:55] Oh, that would have turned this into a horror episode,

[00:24:58] although it's a different kind of uncomfortable.

[00:24:59] Now, the first note I have is this got very uncomfortable.

[00:25:03] I didn't jerk the benefit of the doubt before, but this got creepy.

[00:25:07] At least...

[00:25:07] Yeah, she...

[00:25:08] I will say this.

[00:25:09] At least the actress was 19 years old at the time of filming.

[00:25:13] Yeah, they keep mentioning the fact that she's 300 years old,

[00:25:16] as if that makes it okay.

[00:25:17] But like my note is, yeah, but she still has the mind of a child.

[00:25:22] So it doesn't matter.

[00:25:23] The ethics of this are still bad.

[00:25:25] She may have lived for 300 years,

[00:25:27] but she still has the mental capacity of like a, what, 16-year-old girl?

[00:25:31] This may be the only situation that I've ever seen on film or in reality

[00:25:37] in which the purposeful manipulation of the child is better than the alternative.

[00:25:43] Yeah.

[00:25:45] Yeah.

[00:25:46] Yeah.

[00:25:48] Oof.

[00:25:48] If he's purposefully manipulating her just to get more information, I'm like,

[00:25:52] I don't like it, but at the very least, the motivation is...

[00:25:57] Well, that's sort of what I thought it was,

[00:25:58] where it was like he knew that she had a crush on him,

[00:26:03] and he was utilizing that.

[00:26:05] Yeah.

[00:26:05] Like, I thought that it was fake.

[00:26:08] Yeah, but...

[00:26:09] Doubted it by the end,

[00:26:10] but initially I thought it was fake.

[00:26:12] He was faking it.

[00:26:13] I think it was.

[00:26:15] I do think it was,

[00:26:16] but the episode just did a very poor job of showing that.

[00:26:20] Ah, buttons it in a weird way.

[00:26:22] I don't, I don't know.

[00:26:23] We're going to get to the button.

[00:26:26] What's happening?

[00:26:28] We're going to get there.

[00:26:30] Of course it's going to turn down.

[00:26:31] We talked about how weird this episode was.

[00:26:34] Oof.

[00:26:34] You want to know a fun fact, though, to lighten the mood?

[00:26:37] Sure.

[00:26:37] The actress Iona Morris,

[00:26:39] known for the voice role of Storm in X-Men the Animated Series,

[00:26:58] has an uncredited role as one of the children.

[00:27:02] Really?

[00:27:03] Yep.

[00:27:03] I did not know that.

[00:27:04] On IMDb, she is billed as the little African-American girl.

[00:27:08] Oh, interesting.

[00:27:09] Obviously she is African-American,

[00:27:11] but yeah, she went on to play Storm in X-Men.

[00:27:13] So another fun fact about the kids, though,

[00:27:15] is several of the children on the planet

[00:27:17] were portrayed by relatives of the Trek cast and crew.

[00:27:20] Among them were William Shatner's two daughters,

[00:27:22] Elizabeth and Melanie,

[00:27:26] Grace Lee Whitney, who plays Yeoman Rand's son, Scott,

[00:27:30] and Vincent, the director's son, Stephen,

[00:27:33] and Gene Roddenberry's daughters, Darlene and Dawn,

[00:27:36] all played children in this episode.

[00:27:39] Interesting.

[00:27:40] Interesting.

[00:27:41] Any of the main ones, just like background ones?

[00:27:43] They were all, they were background ones.

[00:27:46] Oh, okay, okay.

[00:27:47] Okay.

[00:27:49] I put down here,

[00:27:50] because when,

[00:27:51] when Kirk is talking to the kids,

[00:27:53] or I'm sorry,

[00:27:54] when Kirk and Miri go the first time

[00:27:56] to try to talk to the kids and they all hide,

[00:27:58] a girl apparently hits puberty right in the moment

[00:28:01] because she comes in and attacks Kirk.

[00:28:03] And I just put down,

[00:28:04] Kirk keeps killing kids.

[00:28:06] A little bit.

[00:28:07] Yeah, a little bit.

[00:28:08] No, no, well,

[00:28:09] he was,

[00:28:09] to be fair,

[00:28:09] to be fair,

[00:28:10] to be fair to this one,

[00:28:12] he did have his laser set from,

[00:28:14] from to stun.

[00:28:15] So you didn't mean to,

[00:28:17] it was,

[00:28:17] it's,

[00:28:17] this was an accident.

[00:28:18] I will give him the,

[00:28:19] I will give him this one.

[00:28:20] It's still funny.

[00:28:22] It's still funny.

[00:28:23] It is still funny,

[00:28:24] but it's still funny.

[00:28:25] I also have to call it John.

[00:28:26] So the,

[00:28:27] the,

[00:28:27] the boy in the like army jacket,

[00:28:29] who's clearly the ringleader.

[00:28:31] I quite liked him actually.

[00:28:32] I did,

[00:28:33] but he clearly hit puberty already.

[00:28:36] I mean,

[00:28:37] yeah.

[00:28:37] Oh yeah.

[00:28:38] Yeah.

[00:28:39] Yeah.

[00:28:39] But he was 20,

[00:28:40] the actor was 27 when they shot this episode.

[00:28:44] Yeah.

[00:28:44] That makes sense.

[00:28:45] Well,

[00:28:45] I mean the one,

[00:28:46] the one kid who I,

[00:28:49] who,

[00:28:49] um,

[00:28:50] the other,

[00:28:50] the other second in command or whatever,

[00:28:53] he said like he was being dubbed over by a child.

[00:28:55] Like he didn't look like a child,

[00:28:56] but he sounded like he was being voiced over by one.

[00:28:58] Yeah.

[00:28:59] Um,

[00:28:59] I don't know if he was or not,

[00:29:01] but it did seem that way.

[00:29:03] Mistrustful of the grubs,

[00:29:04] the children dispersed when Kirk and Miri approached their hideout.

[00:29:07] John,

[00:29:08] the older boy and the leader of the children,

[00:29:09] steals the landing party's communicators,

[00:29:11] rendering McCoy search for a cure impossible without the enterprise's computers.

[00:29:15] When Yeoman ran panics at their impending fate and Kirk comforts her,

[00:29:19] a jealous Miri runs away in schemes with their friends to kidnap Rand.

[00:29:23] Okay.

[00:29:23] She's like,

[00:29:23] I wanted you to look at my legs.

[00:29:25] Look at my legs,

[00:29:26] Kirk.

[00:29:26] Another,

[00:29:27] but different uncomfortable moment.

[00:29:29] And my,

[00:29:30] my thought immediate was like,

[00:29:32] by this point,

[00:29:34] her being Kirk's Yeoman is just beyond inappropriate.

[00:29:39] A little bit.

[00:29:41] Yeah.

[00:29:41] It's like the second or third time.

[00:29:43] She's been like,

[00:29:43] I want you to,

[00:29:44] I want you to love me,

[00:29:46] Captain Kirk in the physical sense.

[00:29:47] Well,

[00:29:48] and then,

[00:29:49] you know,

[00:29:49] the,

[00:29:50] the assault perpetrated by the dark side of Kirk and then the assault that was narrowly avoided thanks to Kirk,

[00:29:56] but still,

[00:29:57] because he failed to,

[00:29:59] I don't,

[00:30:00] I don't know if you can blame Kirk for Charlie necessarily,

[00:30:02] but you know,

[00:30:04] yeah,

[00:30:05] I feel like.

[00:30:07] I'd want to transfer off that ship.

[00:30:09] I'd be like,

[00:30:09] I want a new position,

[00:30:10] please.

[00:30:10] For,

[00:30:11] for a character in this string of like,

[00:30:14] what are we on?

[00:30:15] Episode nine.

[00:30:16] Yeah.

[00:30:17] Well,

[00:30:18] okay.

[00:30:18] So actually episode eight of the series,

[00:30:20] cause that's not including the pilot.

[00:30:21] Oh yeah.

[00:30:22] Episode eight of a television series.

[00:30:24] And I would say at least half of which Yeoman Rand has been slighted in some fashion.

[00:30:29] She sure gets victimized a lot.

[00:30:31] Yeah.

[00:30:32] I feel like,

[00:30:33] well,

[00:30:34] and buckle up because I discovered something that just absolutely fucking sucks about.

[00:30:40] Oh,

[00:30:40] that's,

[00:30:41] that was never fun.

[00:30:43] Yeah.

[00:30:43] About Grace Lee Whitney and totally not absolutely nothing bad about her,

[00:30:48] but it just fucking broke my heart when I heard that.

[00:30:52] But anyway,

[00:30:53] that's,

[00:30:53] that's common.

[00:30:54] The performance though,

[00:30:55] in that scene,

[00:30:56] that's what I was going to say.

[00:30:57] Quite good.

[00:30:57] Like,

[00:30:58] what a,

[00:30:58] what a,

[00:30:58] what a decent acting happening in this episode.

[00:31:01] I really liked that.

[00:31:02] They're slow.

[00:31:03] Like,

[00:31:03] I don't have a note about it.

[00:31:05] Yeah.

[00:31:05] Yeah.

[00:31:05] Everyone,

[00:31:05] the performance of everyone just like at their wits end.

[00:31:08] It's just really good.

[00:31:10] It's just really good.

[00:31:12] Yeah.

[00:31:12] Everybody,

[00:31:13] everybody kind of losing it a little bit.

[00:31:14] Cause we've all been in situations where it's like,

[00:31:17] you don't mean it.

[00:31:18] And I'm saying this is how they're playing it.

[00:31:20] You don't mean it.

[00:31:21] And everybody knows you don't mean it,

[00:31:23] but you still can't help,

[00:31:23] but feel a little bit.

[00:31:25] Yeah.

[00:31:26] About it.

[00:31:26] Um,

[00:31:27] we're talking about DeForest Kelly,

[00:31:28] but yeah,

[00:31:28] McCoy,

[00:31:29] McCoy,

[00:31:29] just every time he snaps at Spock and Spock not getting mad at him and

[00:31:32] it just making him more mad is,

[00:31:34] is genuinely good.

[00:31:35] It's good stuff.

[00:31:36] It's good.

[00:31:36] Um,

[00:31:37] more sweaty Kirk.

[00:31:39] Yeah.

[00:31:39] He's very sweaty.

[00:31:41] Kirk.

[00:31:41] Very moist man.

[00:31:43] Again,

[00:31:43] he's a,

[00:31:43] he's very moist man.

[00:31:46] Uh,

[00:31:46] I will never regret writing that down.

[00:31:49] That is a very,

[00:31:49] I stand by that.

[00:31:51] I stand by that joke.

[00:31:52] You actually make me notice now every time her sweats profusely.

[00:31:57] And now I'm like,

[00:31:57] I can't not see it now.

[00:31:59] See,

[00:31:59] and it's funny because now I,

[00:32:01] now I notice it when he's not.

[00:32:02] So like every time he's,

[00:32:03] he's like,

[00:32:04] Oh man,

[00:32:04] he's not very moist.

[00:32:05] This episode,

[00:32:06] like last,

[00:32:06] last couple of weeks,

[00:32:07] he hasn't been terribly moist,

[00:32:08] but you can tell,

[00:32:09] cause he stressed this episode.

[00:32:11] That's how it plays so much.

[00:32:12] Clearly it was warm down on Mary's earth.

[00:32:14] Mary's earth.

[00:32:15] I'm guessing.

[00:32:16] So,

[00:32:17] okay,

[00:32:17] wait,

[00:32:17] wait.

[00:32:18] So I guess we did kind of,

[00:32:19] we were,

[00:32:19] we were at the bit where,

[00:32:20] where they talk about how this,

[00:32:22] how,

[00:32:23] whatever this thing is works,

[00:32:24] right?

[00:32:25] Yes.

[00:32:26] Okay.

[00:32:26] Cause I have questions.

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[00:33:21] Um,

[00:33:22] so you had some questions before we delve back into the story.

[00:33:25] Well,

[00:33:26] yes.

[00:33:26] Okay.

[00:33:26] So I just don't understand the logic.

[00:33:28] So they were trying to create a disease that would effectively extend life.

[00:33:33] I I've written immortality,

[00:33:34] but we've covered it's extending life.

[00:33:37] But that seems counterintuitive to use a virus to,

[00:33:40] it's just,

[00:33:41] I'm not a virologist,

[00:33:42] but that doesn't feel like how viruses work.

[00:33:44] You don't just smash them together and hope for like a virus that will give you a positive thing.

[00:33:49] I don't know the whole,

[00:33:50] the whole idea of it just didn't make any sense to me.

[00:33:54] Okay.

[00:33:55] So I actually,

[00:33:55] I do have a couple of answers,

[00:33:57] one in fiction and one in the real world.

[00:33:59] Um,

[00:34:01] they actually smash viruses together all the time.

[00:34:04] Normally for research though,

[00:34:06] on how to understand how viruses work.

[00:34:08] Um,

[00:34:10] yeah,

[00:34:10] not to use on people though,

[00:34:11] I guess is my point.

[00:34:12] Well,

[00:34:12] yeah,

[00:34:12] but I mean,

[00:34:13] see,

[00:34:13] see the pandemic of 2020.

[00:34:17] Cause that's,

[00:34:18] that's,

[00:34:18] that's exactly what they did.

[00:34:21] Um,

[00:34:22] but in a,

[00:34:22] in a fictional example,

[00:34:24] uh,

[00:34:24] you've got the new planet of the apes franchise that all begins because they use a viral therapy

[00:34:29] to treat Alzheimer's.

[00:34:31] Right.

[00:34:32] So this is actually,

[00:34:34] I forgot about that.

[00:34:35] You're right.

[00:34:36] The reason,

[00:34:37] and I,

[00:34:37] I think there's some not being a virologist or even a biologist.

[00:34:42] That's why I was like,

[00:34:43] I'm not a virologist.

[00:34:44] I could be wrong about this.

[00:34:45] I'm very clear.

[00:34:46] If you are a virologist,

[00:34:48] we may do like a special bonus episode of like,

[00:34:52] virologist explains,

[00:34:53] you know,

[00:34:54] like germs on Star Trek.

[00:34:55] That would be fun.

[00:34:56] That would be very fun.

[00:34:58] That would be pretty fun.

[00:34:59] That might be some premium content coming because actually I haven't talked to you about that yet,

[00:35:03] but,

[00:35:03] uh,

[00:35:06] you don't get to know about it yet,

[00:35:08] but soon,

[00:35:09] soon when we know,

[00:35:10] when we know.

[00:35:11] So I,

[00:35:12] I,

[00:35:12] what I'm getting at though is based upon my knowledge of how viruses propagate,

[00:35:17] it would actually be,

[00:35:19] if you could control it,

[00:35:20] which seems to be the issue,

[00:35:22] it would seem to be a very effective way to administer some kind of therapy or treatment or.

[00:35:28] I suppose that's true.

[00:35:29] It makes it,

[00:35:29] makes it easier to,

[00:35:30] to like,

[00:35:31] take hold,

[00:35:32] I suppose,

[00:35:33] I guess,

[00:35:33] now that I'm thinking this out.

[00:35:34] I suppose,

[00:35:35] yeah.

[00:35:36] Okay.

[00:35:37] Okay.

[00:35:37] Okay.

[00:35:37] Okay.

[00:35:38] Okay.

[00:35:38] I'll give it,

[00:35:39] I give it the benefit of the doubt now.

[00:35:40] It makes a little more sense.

[00:35:41] Well,

[00:35:41] the problem though,

[00:35:42] and I'm sure that this is what a virologist would say is viruses also have a tendency to mutate rapidly.

[00:35:47] Yeah.

[00:35:48] So your,

[00:35:49] your therapy to prolong life would probably end up killing you just because.

[00:35:55] Well,

[00:35:56] demonstratively,

[00:35:56] whenever they utilize it in fiction,

[00:35:58] it always does.

[00:35:59] Well,

[00:35:59] because I think if,

[00:36:00] if,

[00:36:01] if there's any way to prove that God has a sense of humor,

[00:36:03] if he exists is that humanity thinking that we can control like microorganisms.

[00:36:10] True.

[00:36:11] It is.

[00:36:13] We demonstrate time and again that we certainly can't control them and we still fight to understand them.

[00:36:19] That is absolutely true.

[00:36:20] To this day.

[00:36:22] Any other questions involving the virus?

[00:36:25] No,

[00:36:26] no,

[00:36:26] I think I got it.

[00:36:27] So McCoy discovers a possible vaccine for the disease,

[00:36:31] but without the ability to check the dosage with the ship's computers,

[00:36:34] the vaccine may kill the patient.

[00:36:36] Kirk tells Miri that they will all contract the disease if they don't help him find a cure.

[00:36:40] Upon realizing that she herself is infected,

[00:36:43] Miri brings Kirk to where Rand is being held.

[00:36:46] At John's urging,

[00:36:47] the children swarm and gang up on Kirk.

[00:36:49] An injured and bleeding Kirk then angrily begs the children to think of the youngest among them,

[00:36:53] who will be helpless when the older ones are dead.

[00:36:56] He points out that their food supplies are running out very conveniently.

[00:36:59] By the way,

[00:37:00] these kids have been alive for 300 fucking years,

[00:37:02] but when the enterprise comes,

[00:37:03] they just so happen to be running out of food.

[00:37:05] Right.

[00:37:06] The children will starve within six months.

[00:37:08] Convinced,

[00:37:09] John gives the communicators back to Kirk.

[00:37:12] I think it was like,

[00:37:13] so six months of like our time or like six months of like,

[00:37:16] you know what I mean?

[00:37:17] Valid question.

[00:37:18] Valid question.

[00:37:20] Like six months in their time,

[00:37:22] which is like a hundred,

[00:37:22] hundreds of years.

[00:37:23] They'll,

[00:37:23] they'll be fine.

[00:37:24] We're talking human years or alien kid years.

[00:37:27] Right.

[00:37:28] And is that the point where they just all gang up on Kirk and beat the shit out of

[00:37:31] him?

[00:37:31] Cause I thought that was pretty funny.

[00:37:33] I'm pretty sure you can find out,

[00:37:34] find some of them off,

[00:37:35] Kirk.

[00:37:35] You can find at least a few of them off.

[00:37:37] At least you could subdue them.

[00:37:38] It goes,

[00:37:39] it goes back to the question.

[00:37:40] Like how many,

[00:37:41] how many children can you take it once?

[00:37:44] Well,

[00:37:44] I mean,

[00:37:44] my favorite bit is where he just hit top.

[00:37:46] I thought he was just taking them off the table.

[00:37:48] I actually went back and rewatched it.

[00:37:49] Like,

[00:37:49] no,

[00:37:49] he did.

[00:37:49] He just straight up through that child through him.

[00:37:53] I don't think he's like,

[00:37:54] whoop.

[00:37:55] To William Shatner's defense.

[00:37:57] I don't think the kid was supposed to go limp.

[00:37:59] Like,

[00:38:00] no,

[00:38:00] but he went flying.

[00:38:01] I was like,

[00:38:02] Whoa.

[00:38:03] Um,

[00:38:03] I know.

[00:38:03] I realized I forgot to mention earlier about,

[00:38:06] um,

[00:38:06] and I'm going to mention it about,

[00:38:07] well,

[00:38:08] I'll say,

[00:38:09] I'll save it.

[00:38:09] Cause I have a special effect related question.

[00:38:11] Uh,

[00:38:12] coming up.

[00:38:12] So I,

[00:38:14] my two notes for this scene is damn kids are annoying.

[00:38:17] You don't mean?

[00:38:18] Yeah.

[00:38:19] Yeah,

[00:38:19] they are.

[00:38:20] And they're weird made up language.

[00:38:22] Yeah.

[00:38:22] And Kirk needs to slap some kids.

[00:38:24] Like,

[00:38:24] I mean,

[00:38:25] he could take out at least one or two of them and establish some dominance.

[00:38:29] That's all I'm saying.

[00:38:30] That's what you see.

[00:38:31] That's what Kirk does with other aliens.

[00:38:33] He just pops one to again,

[00:38:35] establish dominance.

[00:38:36] you see,

[00:38:36] you see,

[00:38:37] take out the big one with the,

[00:38:38] with the military vest or whatever.

[00:38:40] Yeah,

[00:38:41] exactly.

[00:38:42] Kirk would do that.

[00:38:42] The card would slap one of the little ones and be like,

[00:38:45] no,

[00:38:45] you'll see what I'll do to you.

[00:38:47] Strike fear into them.

[00:38:49] I'm bigger than you.

[00:38:51] Every time I think of Patrick Stewart,

[00:38:53] I think of him on American dad,

[00:38:54] but like not the,

[00:38:56] not the,

[00:38:56] not him as the CIA director,

[00:38:57] but the episode where,

[00:38:59] where,

[00:39:00] um,

[00:39:01] where it's the play and he's the narrator or whatever.

[00:39:04] And it keeps cutting to him in live action.

[00:39:06] And he's like asleep.

[00:39:07] And he's just insane.

[00:39:08] Yeah.

[00:39:09] Uh,

[00:39:09] I will say this.

[00:39:12] I pick on Picard a lot,

[00:39:13] but I absolutely love Patrick Stewart.

[00:39:15] And I think you don't love Patrick Stewart.

[00:39:17] I think he's got an amazing sense of humor to do basically whatever Seth

[00:39:20] McFarlane asked him to do.

[00:39:21] Yeah.

[00:39:22] He,

[00:39:22] I love how him and Seth McFarlane are like best friends.

[00:39:24] It's great.

[00:39:25] And I am reminded of the episode of American dad where Bullock ends up

[00:39:30] sleeping with Haley.

[00:39:32] And he comes down.

[00:39:33] I love little girls.

[00:39:35] They make me feel so bad.

[00:39:38] I love,

[00:39:39] I love,

[00:39:39] I,

[00:39:40] I,

[00:39:40] so many.

[00:39:40] I love,

[00:39:41] I love when he,

[00:39:41] I'm family guy where he's a,

[00:39:42] he's Joe,

[00:39:43] the inner,

[00:39:44] inner monologue of Joe's daughter.

[00:39:45] Oh,

[00:39:45] he's,

[00:39:46] he's hilarious.

[00:39:46] He's very funny.

[00:39:47] I forgot about that.

[00:39:49] For like no reason.

[00:39:50] It's super funny.

[00:39:52] I mean,

[00:39:52] yeah,

[00:39:52] but like there's a,

[00:39:53] there's a number of bullet quotes me and Jordan say like all the time.

[00:39:56] And then of course the family guy cutaways of Star Trek,

[00:40:01] the next generation,

[00:40:02] my personal favorite rank number one,

[00:40:04] what would you do if I said,

[00:40:05] Commander Wolf's head looks like a fanny?

[00:40:09] I don't,

[00:40:09] I don't know.

[00:40:10] Captain,

[00:40:10] what would you say?

[00:40:12] Commander Wolf's head looks like a fanny.

[00:40:15] He's like,

[00:40:16] you can all suck my ridges.

[00:40:19] Well,

[00:40:19] okay.

[00:40:19] Mine,

[00:40:20] the one that I swear to God,

[00:40:21] I saw it as a robot chicken sketch.

[00:40:23] I,

[00:40:24] I'm positive.

[00:40:25] I've seen it as both a robot chicken sketch and a family guy cutaway,

[00:40:27] but it's the bit,

[00:40:28] I think I mentioned it before where it's Spock and he wins the lottery.

[00:40:31] He's like,

[00:40:32] you can suck it.

[00:40:32] You can suck it.

[00:40:33] You can suck it.

[00:40:34] Live long and suck it.

[00:40:36] I'm positive.

[00:40:36] I've seen it as both a family guy cutaway and a,

[00:40:40] and I'm like,

[00:40:41] I,

[00:40:41] it's one of those like,

[00:40:42] or am I,

[00:40:44] one of those moments where I'm like,

[00:40:46] maybe,

[00:40:46] but that'll be a good place.

[00:40:48] So in,

[00:40:49] in the very,

[00:40:50] very distant future,

[00:40:50] I do want to do a season where we cover star Trek parodies.

[00:40:54] And one of which my personal,

[00:40:56] my personal favorite star Trek.

[00:40:57] Well,

[00:40:57] my second favorite star Trek parody,

[00:40:59] the star wreck zone.

[00:41:01] One of my favorite jokes where every time somebody says fire at will,

[00:41:06] somebody takes out a face or in shoots Riker.

[00:41:10] It's funny.

[00:41:11] It's good stuff.

[00:41:13] It's good stuff.

[00:41:13] Kirk rounds up the children and returns to the laboratory or the laboratory.

[00:41:17] The bo,

[00:41:18] labora,

[00:41:19] ory.

[00:41:21] Returns to the labora,

[00:41:23] ory.

[00:41:24] But in desperation,

[00:41:25] McCoy has already injected himself with a dose of the vaccine.

[00:41:27] The doctor soars fade,

[00:41:29] confirming the cure's effectiveness and McCoy's never ending luck.

[00:41:34] I mean,

[00:41:36] my three notes,

[00:41:37] first note,

[00:41:38] that's why you never test an untested medication on yourself.

[00:41:41] And then the next,

[00:41:42] the next few notes are just about technically how,

[00:41:45] how they made the blemishes disappear off his face.

[00:41:48] I was like,

[00:41:49] clearly that's a freeze frame,

[00:41:51] but the cuts were too seamless to just be cut.

[00:41:54] They don't look like it was cuts in terms of editing.

[00:41:56] Like they were,

[00:41:57] they were disappearing pretty seamlessly.

[00:41:58] I was impressed by it.

[00:41:59] I'm like,

[00:42:00] I don't think this has been done up with digital effects from like our time.

[00:42:03] No,

[00:42:03] I think they may have literally just had DeForest Kelling laying there.

[00:42:07] And what they probably did was they started out with no makeup effects and then added them and then just reversed it in editing.

[00:42:16] Oh,

[00:42:17] interesting.

[00:42:17] Oh,

[00:42:17] okay.

[00:42:18] Cause I'm like,

[00:42:19] it doesn't look like they went and take one off cut.

[00:42:21] Cause I didn't see any cuts.

[00:42:23] I didn't notice.

[00:42:23] However,

[00:42:24] you notice them.

[00:42:25] Yeah.

[00:42:26] I know what you're saying though,

[00:42:27] because that was pretty seamless.

[00:42:28] So I kind of have a hard time that makeup.

[00:42:32] I mean,

[00:42:32] maybe they just had stick ons,

[00:42:34] which would explain how DeForest Kelly was able to stay perfectly still.

[00:42:38] I assumed it was just a freeze frame still shot and they just maybe one picture,

[00:42:43] but they would still have to.

[00:42:45] Oh,

[00:42:45] maybe,

[00:42:46] you know what?

[00:42:46] That might be how they did it.

[00:42:48] They may have just,

[00:42:50] I don't know.

[00:42:51] Hated over the cell.

[00:42:53] Cause it,

[00:42:53] cause I assume at this point they still shoot on film,

[00:42:55] right?

[00:42:56] Yeah.

[00:42:56] Yeah.

[00:42:57] Yeah.

[00:42:57] My other question was way,

[00:42:59] way back at the beginning of the episode,

[00:43:00] the,

[00:43:00] the transporter effect when they landed on the plan,

[00:43:03] all how many,

[00:43:04] how many,

[00:43:04] five or six of them.

[00:43:06] Um,

[00:43:07] is that,

[00:43:08] is that done up or did they actually have like that electron?

[00:43:12] How do they like,

[00:43:13] it is them appearing out of nowhere with that electronic kind of effect.

[00:43:17] I'm like,

[00:43:17] how would they have done that in the sixties?

[00:43:19] Because they don't have computers to make,

[00:43:21] I make like,

[00:43:23] I knew the answer to this before and I have to look it up,

[00:43:28] but I will do that for next episode.

[00:43:30] Cause I actually didn't know at one point,

[00:43:33] but I have forgotten back on the enterprise after vaccinating everyone and leaving

[00:43:37] the children in the care of medical team work sends for teachers and advisors to help

[00:43:41] the children improve their lives.

[00:43:43] Finally,

[00:43:45] finally,

[00:43:46] captain Kirk actually responsibly resolves the situation on an alien planet.

[00:43:53] Yeah.

[00:43:54] Yeah.

[00:43:54] Well,

[00:43:54] he mentioned,

[00:43:55] okay,

[00:43:55] what is space central?

[00:43:57] I have a note about that.

[00:43:59] Um,

[00:44:00] so it's,

[00:44:01] it's now become a joke.

[00:44:03] Like DBZ,

[00:44:03] a bridge does it.

[00:44:04] Everybody does it.

[00:44:05] When you're doing something like in space,

[00:44:08] you just take something innocuous and just put space in front of it,

[00:44:11] you know,

[00:44:12] like space,

[00:44:13] like space Australia.

[00:44:14] Yeah.

[00:44:15] Um,

[00:44:16] but this was done on ironically.

[00:44:18] And the,

[00:44:18] the answer to this is clearly just cause I put Kirk mentioned space central and

[00:44:24] this just has to be before,

[00:44:26] uh,

[00:44:26] they've established the concept of star fleet command on in the shows like show

[00:44:31] Bible.

[00:44:32] Gotcha.

[00:44:33] So that's what is,

[00:44:34] what would become star fleet command?

[00:44:35] Cause it doesn't sound like star fleet is a thing.

[00:44:37] They're just like,

[00:44:38] we're on a star ship.

[00:44:39] Like there,

[00:44:39] then they don't really seem to work for anyone identified or specified.

[00:44:44] Yeah,

[00:44:44] correct.

[00:44:44] Not,

[00:44:45] not yet.

[00:44:45] Although it's,

[00:44:46] it's interesting because star Trek has been running so long.

[00:44:49] We often forget that there was a time where concepts like the federation and

[00:44:53] star fleet and even the hierarchical system of the admiralty and whatnot just

[00:44:58] hadn't been thought of yet.

[00:44:59] And we eventually become again,

[00:45:02] the show's Canon,

[00:45:03] but as of right now,

[00:45:04] like I said,

[00:45:04] we're only in episode eight of the original series.

[00:45:06] So it makes sense that like,

[00:45:08] or yeah,

[00:45:09] episode eight.

[00:45:10] So I mean,

[00:45:12] yeah,

[00:45:13] it would make sense.

[00:45:14] So they just do space in front of shit.

[00:45:16] Yeah.

[00:45:17] Yeah.

[00:45:18] They,

[00:45:18] they need to be like,

[00:45:19] we need to get something from headquarters.

[00:45:20] What do we call headquarters?

[00:45:22] Space central.

[00:45:23] And another happy note,

[00:45:25] no red shirts were harmed in the making of this episode.

[00:45:28] I didn't mention it,

[00:45:29] but I did have a note earlier that's basically said that red shirt's dead and

[00:45:33] then he didn't die.

[00:45:34] So there were no,

[00:45:34] no red shirts died this episode.

[00:45:36] I saw him running into that alley.

[00:45:38] I'm like,

[00:45:38] Oh,

[00:45:38] he's going to get killed by some kids.

[00:45:40] Right.

[00:45:41] Right.

[00:45:41] I'm like,

[00:45:41] he's going to get children of the corn.

[00:45:43] I'm going to say this now.

[00:45:44] And hopefully you have something else to add.

[00:45:45] Cause I don't want,

[00:45:46] I don't want to end the episode on this big of a downer,

[00:45:48] but I just,

[00:45:49] when I read this,

[00:45:50] I went,

[00:45:50] ah,

[00:45:53] so apparently,

[00:45:55] um,

[00:45:58] during the Friday end of week party on August 26,

[00:46:02] after they filmed this episode,

[00:46:04] Grace Lee Whitney was sexually assaulted by a member of the show whom she

[00:46:08] identified as the executive in her autobiography,

[00:46:11] the longest,

[00:46:12] the longest track,

[00:46:14] my tour of the galaxy.

[00:46:15] Um,

[00:46:17] Oh,

[00:46:17] it gets worse.

[00:46:18] She was fired soon afterwards.

[00:46:21] Really?

[00:46:22] Strengthening her depression and alcohol addiction.

[00:46:25] I really want to read her book now.

[00:46:27] I didn't know she had a book.

[00:46:28] Yeah.

[00:46:29] She sounds like an issue.

[00:46:30] I mean,

[00:46:31] considering she's such a prominent character and she doesn't have the same

[00:46:34] level of respect early on.

[00:46:35] Anyway,

[00:46:36] she doesn't have the same level of iconography that the rest of the

[00:46:38] characters seem to.

[00:46:39] Oh,

[00:46:39] she was,

[00:46:40] I mean,

[00:46:40] she was fired from the show soon after this.

[00:46:42] So maybe one or two more episodes.

[00:46:44] And then,

[00:46:46] um,

[00:46:46] I mean,

[00:46:47] I don't,

[00:46:48] I don't have a lot.

[00:46:49] I mean,

[00:46:49] I do wait.

[00:46:49] Yeah,

[00:46:50] I do.

[00:46:50] I do have some notes about,

[00:46:51] okay,

[00:46:52] Kirk Kirk at the end of the episode.

[00:46:54] Um,

[00:46:55] being like Yoman Rand.

[00:46:56] I don't go for older women,

[00:46:58] bro.

[00:46:58] She's still a child.

[00:46:59] She's still a child,

[00:47:00] bro.

[00:47:01] Gross and weird.

[00:47:02] Don't like it.

[00:47:03] And I just didn't,

[00:47:04] I don't love this episode,

[00:47:05] man.

[00:47:05] And now that I know that she got fired off the back of it,

[00:47:07] I don't love it.

[00:47:07] I don't love it even more.

[00:47:08] I don't,

[00:47:09] I didn't love it.

[00:47:09] Well,

[00:47:10] we were straight with you.

[00:47:11] Yeah.

[00:47:11] The other kind of funny thing is that Grace Lee Whitney is actually older

[00:47:15] than William Shatner.

[00:47:17] Really?

[00:47:18] Yeah.

[00:47:18] Like interesting.

[00:47:19] Interesting.

[00:47:20] I would not have guessed that.

[00:47:21] Now I figured that.

[00:47:22] Yeah.

[00:47:23] I'm just going to say,

[00:47:24] I,

[00:47:24] I kind of,

[00:47:25] I chuckled at the joke a little bit because I saw it as Kirk being like,

[00:47:30] stop poking fun at me for this awkward situation I was in.

[00:47:35] Yeah.

[00:47:35] But it's like,

[00:47:36] Hey Kirk,

[00:47:36] you could have made it clear that you were not,

[00:47:38] you're still making it because he does the thing where he looks off into

[00:47:41] the middle distance and like,

[00:47:43] like,

[00:47:44] dude,

[00:47:44] it makes it think like you were into her.

[00:47:46] And I'll see.

[00:47:47] No,

[00:47:47] I didn't,

[00:47:48] I didn't read it that way.

[00:47:49] I read him as him ignoring whoever said that she loved you.

[00:47:54] And I'm just like,

[00:47:55] I,

[00:47:56] I don't understand why that line was put in because it's obviously she

[00:48:00] didn't,

[00:48:00] she was a child.

[00:48:01] She didn't know what she was feeling.

[00:48:03] It was all right.

[00:48:04] Like,

[00:48:05] and,

[00:48:06] and even if,

[00:48:06] even if that were true,

[00:48:08] why would you acknowledge it?

[00:48:10] You know what I mean?

[00:48:10] Right.

[00:48:10] Like again,

[00:48:11] the consent is,

[00:48:13] the consent is weird.

[00:48:14] It's just,

[00:48:14] it was weird.

[00:48:15] It was weird.

[00:48:15] You're right.

[00:48:17] I,

[00:48:17] to be fair,

[00:48:17] I did think overall there's some good performance in this,

[00:48:19] performances in this episode,

[00:48:21] like Kirk appealing to the kids.

[00:48:23] Uh,

[00:48:23] anytime he breaks out of the talking like this,

[00:48:27] Mr.

[00:48:27] Spock,

[00:48:28] like,

[00:48:28] and he has to get to like,

[00:48:29] get emotional and like actually demonstrate some acting.

[00:48:32] I'm like,

[00:48:32] you know what?

[00:48:33] He's not,

[00:48:33] he's not a bad actor.

[00:48:35] Like William Shatner,

[00:48:35] that William Shatner guy,

[00:48:36] not a bad actor,

[00:48:37] but just say there's too many weird vibes.

[00:48:39] It's too many weird vibes.

[00:48:40] Well,

[00:48:41] the thing is,

[00:48:42] yeah,

[00:48:42] just,

[00:48:43] just about every Star Trek captain has a certain case,

[00:48:45] cadence that they're acting.

[00:48:48] Or,

[00:48:48] or penchants,

[00:48:49] like,

[00:48:50] you know,

[00:48:52] the card is prone to like speaking very firmly.

[00:48:55] And then sometimes going into a rage when he's,

[00:48:58] you know,

[00:48:59] yelling in a Shakespearean manner,

[00:49:01] you know,

[00:49:02] if you're fair enough.

[00:49:03] And Benjamin Sisko,

[00:49:05] who my personal favorite captain does have a tendency to kind of,

[00:49:08] he's got a very distinct cadence and way of speaking that I can't really

[00:49:13] emulate because I don't sound anything like Avery Brooks.

[00:49:16] Fair enough.

[00:49:17] But if you've seen Deep Space Nine,

[00:49:19] you know,

[00:49:20] he has a way of speaking that is mimicable.

[00:49:26] And then Janeway,

[00:49:27] of course,

[00:49:27] also has kind of a distinct.

[00:49:30] So I think Scott Bakula might be the only one that doesn't have,

[00:49:34] I mean,

[00:49:35] he has a cadence to his voice,

[00:49:36] obviously,

[00:49:36] but I think that might be the only one that you can't really poke too much

[00:49:39] fun at.

[00:49:41] Yeah.

[00:49:42] I mean,

[00:49:42] I think it's William Shatner.

[00:49:43] He has a,

[00:49:45] he just knows he has a certain cartoonishness to him.

[00:49:49] But it's funny how,

[00:49:50] when you actually watch Star Trek,

[00:49:51] you see how,

[00:49:52] don't get me wrong.

[00:49:53] It's,

[00:49:53] it's there,

[00:49:54] it's there,

[00:49:55] but how blown out of proportion it truly is.

[00:49:59] It's to a degree,

[00:50:00] but also like,

[00:50:02] it's there.

[00:50:03] Yeah.

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:04] You're like,

[00:50:05] Oh,

[00:50:05] I see it.

[00:50:06] I see every time I'm like,

[00:50:07] Oh no,

[00:50:07] I don't get where this is coming from.

[00:50:08] Then like a line or like anytime I'm like,

[00:50:11] no,

[00:50:11] this isn't that silly.

[00:50:12] Yeah.

[00:50:13] He's doing a Kirk roll or a Kirk uppercut or a Kirk.

[00:50:15] And I'm like,

[00:50:15] okay,

[00:50:16] no,

[00:50:16] I get it.

[00:50:17] I understand where,

[00:50:18] where this comes from.

[00:50:19] We've established the Kirk roles while unnecessary.

[00:50:23] Often.

[00:50:23] And are technically sound.

[00:50:26] They are.

[00:50:27] They are technically.

[00:50:27] And Hey man,

[00:50:28] he,

[00:50:28] he hit,

[00:50:29] he hit through that kid off of that table.

[00:50:31] He just threw him.

[00:50:32] He just threw that boy.

[00:50:34] He's like,

[00:50:34] fuck them kids.

[00:50:36] Yeah.

[00:50:37] Yeah.

[00:50:37] It's just,

[00:50:38] it's funny.

[00:50:38] Even if he was a grown adult,

[00:50:39] like in universe,

[00:50:40] Kirk has no,

[00:50:40] he's just threw that child.

[00:50:42] He didn't care.

[00:50:43] I would like to believe that if Kirk had access to a hollow suite after this

[00:50:46] encounter,

[00:50:47] he would have created a program that was just an endless,

[00:50:50] like it starts out with one kid.

[00:50:51] And when he beats that kid,

[00:50:52] two kids come at him,

[00:50:53] you know,

[00:50:54] my hope was that like,

[00:50:56] my hope was that after Charlie X,

[00:50:57] he would like maybe learn how to,

[00:50:59] in the event he had to deal with the child,

[00:51:01] he would learn.

[00:51:03] How to deal with the child.

[00:51:04] Like,

[00:51:04] you know,

[00:51:04] he would do like go to the hollow deck,

[00:51:05] like take some lessons on how to deal with children.

[00:51:08] You know what I mean?

[00:51:08] Like just have a,

[00:51:09] have a holographic child.

[00:51:10] He can like learn how to talk to like a normal person.

[00:51:15] No,

[00:51:16] he's just,

[00:51:16] he's just flirt with everyone going forward.

[00:51:18] If it has a pulse and looks remotely like a human female.

[00:51:23] I enjoyed the like delicate dance we're doing here.

[00:51:26] Well,

[00:51:27] no,

[00:51:27] because some of them are aliens.

[00:51:28] They may not have a uterus.

[00:51:30] That's what it does.

[00:51:30] That's true.

[00:51:31] Yeah.

[00:51:31] No,

[00:51:31] that's fair.

[00:51:32] It's going to be technically sound on anatomy.

[00:51:34] I was about to say pulse in a uterus,

[00:51:36] but I'm like,

[00:51:36] well,

[00:51:37] hang on.

[00:51:37] We don't know.

[00:51:38] I mean,

[00:51:39] if it's anything like Dr.

[00:51:40] Who,

[00:51:40] I always love Dr.

[00:51:41] Who,

[00:51:42] who went to the notion of like humans from like a certain point on

[00:51:45] their aliens,

[00:51:46] like they're going to love everyone.

[00:51:48] It's like,

[00:51:48] you're just,

[00:51:49] you're just gonna,

[00:51:49] it's just,

[00:51:50] it's going to happen.

[00:51:50] And so you got,

[00:51:51] if there's,

[00:51:51] there's enough humanoid aliens out there,

[00:51:53] humans,

[00:51:54] well,

[00:51:55] they're going to love some green ladies.

[00:51:56] Like it's,

[00:51:56] it's,

[00:51:56] it would happen.

[00:51:57] Um,

[00:51:58] you'd love everybody.

[00:51:59] I don't see anything wrong with green ladies.

[00:52:01] No,

[00:52:01] I never said I did.

[00:52:03] I just said it was the logical conclusion of the future.

[00:52:05] You got a problem with green ladies?

[00:52:07] No,

[00:52:08] no,

[00:52:08] not one.

[00:52:09] I'm just saying the logical progression of the futures that will all

[00:52:11] love green ladies.

[00:52:12] It's just,

[00:52:13] you can picture somebody who surprised lower decks hasn't made a joke

[00:52:17] about it.

[00:52:18] Probably because one of their main characters is an Orion.

[00:52:21] Uh,

[00:52:22] female,

[00:52:22] but it's just the,

[00:52:23] it's like,

[00:52:24] no,

[00:52:24] I'm not,

[00:52:24] I don't have anything against green ladies.

[00:52:26] It's just not my preference,

[00:52:27] man.

[00:52:27] I just don't like green.

[00:52:28] You know,

[00:52:29] yeah,

[00:52:29] that does seem like a,

[00:52:30] that does seem like a lower decks joke.

[00:52:32] Yeah.

[00:52:33] But again,

[00:52:33] one of their main characters is an Orion.

[00:52:35] So kind of.

[00:52:37] Yeah.

[00:52:38] Or maybe that,

[00:52:39] that actually could be an episode they could have written.

[00:52:41] Like she's,

[00:52:42] she's really crushing on just like another crew member and the crew

[00:52:45] member is just like not ignoring her,

[00:52:48] but like treating her like very platonically.

[00:52:50] And then at the end,

[00:52:51] she'd be like,

[00:52:52] I just don't like green girls.

[00:52:53] There's not any green girls,

[00:52:55] man.

[00:52:55] And then it,

[00:52:56] and the episode ends with her being like that racist.

[00:52:59] Yeah.

[00:53:01] It's all been a lab or metaphor for racism.

[00:53:04] Dang it.

[00:53:05] I mean,

[00:53:06] it's not easy being green.

[00:53:09] Oh,

[00:53:09] well,

[00:53:10] anyway,

[00:53:10] that was Miri.

[00:53:12] Um,

[00:53:12] it was a very weird episode.

[00:53:14] I don't know.

[00:53:14] I'm so,

[00:53:14] yeah,

[00:53:14] I was going to say,

[00:53:15] I still have some mixed feelings because they were,

[00:53:17] there were parts I really liked in parts that.

[00:53:20] I like the performances.

[00:53:22] I didn't love the story so much.

[00:53:24] I liked this episode better when it was an episode of South park.

[00:53:29] Yeah,

[00:53:30] it was better.

[00:53:30] So there was less weird consent issues in that,

[00:53:34] in that episode.

[00:53:35] Although,

[00:53:35] although I started to say it and I immediately was like,

[00:53:39] you know what?

[00:53:39] No,

[00:53:39] I think I'm much wrong about that one.

[00:53:42] No,

[00:53:42] but the thing is South park somehow makes it funny because they're eight

[00:53:45] year old cartoons and they're ridiculous.

[00:53:47] So,

[00:53:47] okay.

[00:53:48] Okay.

[00:53:48] Okay.

[00:53:48] Okay.

[00:53:49] So now that I'm,

[00:53:50] now that I'm parsing this out,

[00:53:51] I don't want to get,

[00:53:52] I don't want to say the name.

[00:53:53] If you,

[00:53:53] if you know the episode I'm talking about,

[00:53:54] you know,

[00:53:55] the name of it,

[00:53:55] is that a reference to the questionable age and consent gap in this

[00:53:59] episode?

[00:53:59] It has to be right.

[00:54:00] Like there's no way it's not.

[00:54:02] I would automatically say yes.

[00:54:04] We're not for the fact that all of the main characters in South park or

[00:54:07] are they in third or fourth grade?

[00:54:09] I can't remember.

[00:54:10] I think they're in fourth grade by that point,

[00:54:11] but I think they're in the fourth grade by that one.

[00:54:13] Yeah.

[00:54:13] Yeah.

[00:54:14] I mean,

[00:54:14] they're all fourth graders.

[00:54:16] So.

[00:54:18] No,

[00:54:18] I meant the,

[00:54:19] the,

[00:54:19] um,

[00:54:19] the episode,

[00:54:20] like having to do with that in terms of like a meta sense,

[00:54:24] like they,

[00:54:25] they made it about,

[00:54:26] that was the cry.

[00:54:27] That was the jumping off point.

[00:54:29] Yeah.

[00:54:29] Yeah.

[00:54:29] From Matt and trace perspective.

[00:54:30] I mean,

[00:54:31] you think it's a reference to the questionable.

[00:54:34] Hmm.

[00:54:35] Maybe.

[00:54:37] I don't know.

[00:54:39] Cause I,

[00:54:40] I,

[00:54:40] yeah.

[00:54:40] Or it's just a weird coincidence.

[00:54:42] And to be fair,

[00:54:43] I,

[00:54:43] I,

[00:54:43] I've tried Googling if that can I,

[00:54:45] last time I watched that episode,

[00:54:46] I was like,

[00:54:47] this feels like it's based on something.

[00:54:48] And then I didn't see that it was based on star Trek.

[00:54:51] This was the first time I'd seen that it was based on that,

[00:54:53] which again,

[00:54:53] I thought was funny.

[00:54:54] Yeah.

[00:54:55] But,

[00:54:56] um,

[00:54:57] I believe the next episode is not as uncomfortable.

[00:55:01] Uh,

[00:55:02] so next week we're going to take a look at dagger of the mind.

[00:55:05] Ooh.

[00:55:06] I think we're,

[00:55:07] I think we're going to get back into quasi normal territory here.

[00:55:11] Cause we've had,

[00:55:12] it's been a weird couple of episodes.

[00:55:15] It has been,

[00:55:16] this is,

[00:55:17] this is the weirdest one for me.

[00:55:18] This was the weirdest.

[00:55:19] This was the first time where I was like,

[00:55:20] I'm not having fun with this one.

[00:55:22] Wait,

[00:55:22] were these,

[00:55:23] were those episodes were the real.

[00:55:24] Okay.

[00:55:25] So I'm not the weird episodes,

[00:55:26] the really sexual episodes.

[00:55:27] I think those were during sweeps.

[00:55:29] Ah,

[00:55:30] that'll do it.

[00:55:31] Yeah.

[00:55:31] I think that was,

[00:55:32] I think that was right in the middle of sweeps.

[00:55:34] So yeah,

[00:55:35] side,

[00:55:35] side boob is justified.

[00:55:37] God,

[00:55:38] does,

[00:55:38] does anyone do it?

[00:55:41] Do any of our Gen Z audience members know what sweeps is?

[00:55:44] We need to explain sweeps.

[00:55:46] I barely know what sweeps is and I'm 34.

[00:55:50] If,

[00:55:50] if,

[00:55:51] if I'm going to look up the actual definition,

[00:55:53] because when somebody says sweeps,

[00:55:55] I understand what it means,

[00:55:56] but I don't want to.

[00:55:57] Right.

[00:55:57] It's one of the things like you understand.

[00:55:58] Cause you've seen it in television.

[00:55:59] Like I know it because of a Bruce almighty or he's like,

[00:56:04] it's because of sweeps.

[00:56:04] It has something to do with the Nielsen ratings.

[00:56:06] I imagine.

[00:56:08] Yes.

[00:56:08] Sweeps definition.

[00:56:09] Television.

[00:56:12] I didn't even have that anymore.

[00:56:13] That's still a metric.

[00:56:15] I think it might be actually,

[00:56:16] but so sweep is a term sweeps is a term used to describe a period of time

[00:56:20] when television networks and stations schedule programming to attract larger audiences.

[00:56:24] These periods are crucial for determining advertising rates for the year and are also

[00:56:29] used to make program scheduling decisions.

[00:56:31] So yeah.

[00:56:33] Oh,

[00:56:33] okay.

[00:56:34] Okay.

[00:56:34] So no,

[00:56:35] this would have been just prior to sweeps because sweeps,

[00:56:37] sweeps occur four times a year,

[00:56:39] February,

[00:56:40] May,

[00:56:40] July,

[00:56:40] and November.

[00:56:41] So we're not quite to sweeps yet,

[00:56:43] but it could have been like a buildup to sweeps.

[00:56:46] So like,

[00:56:47] okay.

[00:56:48] The,

[00:56:48] the actual dates can extend it in neighboring months.

[00:56:51] The most important sweeps are generally considered to be May and November.

[00:56:56] So yeah,

[00:56:56] we're in sweeps.

[00:56:58] We're in sweeps for a new show.

[00:56:59] We're absolutely in sweeps.

[00:57:01] Because,

[00:57:01] because May,

[00:57:03] November,

[00:57:04] that would be assuming,

[00:57:05] assuming their,

[00:57:06] their television blocks work,

[00:57:09] work similar to how they do now.

[00:57:10] That's just after your fall premieres.

[00:57:13] Like if your,

[00:57:14] your,

[00:57:14] your shows have had,

[00:57:15] had about a month.

[00:57:16] Well,

[00:57:16] yeah.

[00:57:16] To get into.

[00:57:18] Star Trek's a fall premiere.

[00:57:20] One tree,

[00:57:21] One tree Hill did the same thing when they premiered because they basically,

[00:57:24] they dialed up the sexy hardcore because the OC was doing that.

[00:57:29] And those were two very similar shows that premiered at the same time.

[00:57:32] And then it,

[00:57:33] it being in May makes sense because then that your spring season,

[00:57:36] your March,

[00:57:37] see people don't understand how television works anymore.

[00:57:40] I know.

[00:57:40] And I'll,

[00:57:41] I'll be honest.

[00:57:41] It was funny.

[00:57:42] I was thinking about this the other day.

[00:57:43] I kind of miss it.

[00:57:44] I,

[00:57:44] I do.

[00:57:46] I really do.

[00:57:46] This is my,

[00:57:46] this is my end of episode hot take that I said.

[00:57:49] Jordan,

[00:57:50] Jordan always disagrees with me on this.

[00:57:51] I think we should bring back cable.

[00:57:55] Oh,

[00:57:55] I think they would love to,

[00:57:56] because there,

[00:57:57] there are multiple reasons why they would love it.

[00:58:00] Well,

[00:58:00] there are multiple reasons why the industry would love to.

[00:58:03] The most specific one is the,

[00:58:05] the,

[00:58:05] the unions would love it because the original film and television model,

[00:58:10] um,

[00:58:11] were great for royalties streaming.

[00:58:13] Yes.

[00:58:13] Not so much.

[00:58:14] Um,

[00:58:15] syndication,

[00:58:15] huge for royalties,

[00:58:18] huge.

[00:58:19] You had people that would literally forego,

[00:58:21] particularly with movies that would forego a larger salary for a larger percentage of royalties.

[00:58:27] And the thing that people don't understand is every time a movie is broadcast on like regular cable television,

[00:58:33] there's a licensing fee.

[00:58:34] That's paid for that.

[00:58:35] Yeah.

[00:58:36] If you've got a royalty agreement,

[00:58:38] you get a cut of that.

[00:58:39] And if you have movies that are played onto like back to the future,

[00:58:42] which is still played multiple times a year across multiple television channels,

[00:58:46] that's big for royalties.

[00:58:48] That's big.

[00:58:49] Yeah.

[00:58:49] Oh yeah.

[00:58:50] And it's much better for advertising dollars because viewership on cable.

[00:58:56] I always,

[00:58:56] I always use this model.

[00:58:58] It's part of the reason why we do the podcast the way we do,

[00:59:01] um,

[00:59:01] is the fact that free media is always the best to attract viewers for advertising dollars because,

[00:59:10] well,

[00:59:10] until streaming,

[00:59:12] but that's really because you don't have an alternative.

[00:59:14] If they were free streaming services that had the quality of programming,

[00:59:17] like your Hulu's,

[00:59:18] your Netflix's,

[00:59:19] your,

[00:59:19] um,

[00:59:20] uh,

[00:59:20] what is it?

[00:59:21] Your HBO max is your Disney pluses.

[00:59:23] They would be number one.

[00:59:25] Yeah.

[00:59:26] Because like two bees,

[00:59:27] why YouTube still hangs,

[00:59:28] hangs in there.

[00:59:29] Yeah.

[00:59:29] But YouTube doesn't,

[00:59:30] YouTube has some free movies,

[00:59:32] but it's not like,

[00:59:33] yeah,

[00:59:34] but if you've got an excellent model,

[00:59:36] I want to get sponsored by them so badly to be people.

[00:59:40] And I was one of them.

[00:59:40] People really slept on to be,

[00:59:43] um,

[00:59:43] at first it was justified because to be used to be the shits,

[00:59:46] which is why I didn't.

[00:59:48] Cause it was all like,

[00:59:49] it was all like D rated horror movies.

[00:59:51] It was,

[00:59:52] it was bad shit.

[00:59:53] It was just bad.

[00:59:54] I'm getting good licensing over there though,

[00:59:56] that I don't understand how.

[00:59:58] Probably because a lot of the movies are just,

[01:00:00] they're,

[01:00:00] they're not necessarily old,

[01:00:02] but they're old enough now to not.

[01:00:03] I got all the DCEU movies.

[01:00:06] Like they got Batman versus Superman,

[01:00:07] Jesse,

[01:00:07] all of them.

[01:00:08] That might be Canada only.

[01:00:09] I'd have to check us license.

[01:00:11] That's another thing.

[01:00:12] International licensing is different.

[01:00:14] Um,

[01:00:15] but even,

[01:00:16] even in the U S right,

[01:00:17] you've got some movies that if cable were still around,

[01:00:21] there's no chance in hell to be would have them because they'd be playing on the

[01:00:25] various,

[01:00:26] you know,

[01:00:26] free movie channels like,

[01:00:28] like FX and,

[01:00:29] um,

[01:00:30] um,

[01:00:30] you know,

[01:00:31] they,

[01:00:31] they used to be all over the place.

[01:00:33] I think they still exist,

[01:00:34] but like,

[01:00:35] like TBS USA,

[01:00:36] you know,

[01:00:37] running all their movies and whatnot.

[01:00:38] But,

[01:00:39] um,

[01:00:40] but yeah,

[01:00:41] now to be gets them and all the,

[01:00:43] the Godzilla catalog for the most part is on there.

[01:00:46] There's a couple of movies that are again,

[01:00:48] because of licensing issues,

[01:00:50] but,

[01:00:51] um,

[01:00:52] yeah.

[01:00:52] So I,

[01:00:53] I honestly do miss it's streaming is awesome.

[01:00:56] Um,

[01:00:57] I feel like when the DVR came out,

[01:01:00] that was the glory days of,

[01:01:02] it was the,

[01:01:02] it was the perfect midpoint of like still really good quality TV,

[01:01:08] but not necessarily having to be home at 6 PM on Friday,

[01:01:11] for example,

[01:01:11] to watch.

[01:01:12] I liked it.

[01:01:13] I used to,

[01:01:14] I used to record all of my shows on VHS tapes,

[01:01:16] but then I wouldn't have to,

[01:01:17] I guess,

[01:01:18] fast forward.

[01:01:19] I can't stand commercials.

[01:01:20] See,

[01:01:21] I don't mind them.

[01:01:21] I actually kind of like them.

[01:01:25] No,

[01:01:25] no,

[01:01:26] no.

[01:01:26] Give me,

[01:01:26] give me an option to,

[01:01:27] but I can deal with them because I'm a,

[01:01:29] I'm a millennial.

[01:01:30] So I'm used to them.

[01:01:31] So like to be,

[01:01:32] it's like,

[01:01:33] Oh yeah,

[01:01:33] you get one ad break as opposed to the three you used to get when we

[01:01:35] used to watch TV.

[01:01:36] And that's a bad.

[01:01:38] So I'm the weird guy.

[01:01:39] I like showing up to the movie theater early because I want to see all

[01:01:43] the previews.

[01:01:45] Oh,

[01:01:45] well that's different.

[01:01:46] Movie trailers are that different,

[01:01:47] different.

[01:01:48] They are different.

[01:01:49] They are different.

[01:01:50] Yeah.

[01:01:50] That's a,

[01:01:51] they were a different story.

[01:01:52] I love me some movie previews,

[01:01:54] but no,

[01:01:54] I don't like the five minutes of commercials.

[01:01:56] They do for,

[01:01:56] although,

[01:01:57] although in Canada we have our Cineplex,

[01:02:00] we have a little,

[01:02:01] they're little shorts that play before you to the movies.

[01:02:03] They're like a commercial for one of our banks.

[01:02:06] And if they're little popcorn characters and they,

[01:02:09] they go on like little adventures and stuff.

[01:02:11] And they're actually,

[01:02:12] me and George love them.

[01:02:13] We think that's funny.

[01:02:14] Beyond that.

[01:02:14] No,

[01:02:15] I hate them.

[01:02:15] I just hate the Maria Menounos thing.

[01:02:17] I don't know if you guys have those.

[01:02:19] And what I hate more than anything is your,

[01:02:21] your cinema probably isn't an AMC.

[01:02:24] No,

[01:02:25] no,

[01:02:25] no,

[01:02:25] no.

[01:02:25] We have what's called Cineplex.

[01:02:27] Oh,

[01:02:27] okay.

[01:02:27] Yeah.

[01:02:28] Of course.

[01:02:28] Cineplex.

[01:02:28] We just don't have one around,

[01:02:30] around here,

[01:02:31] but AMC has this weird,

[01:02:33] like bumper video with Nicole Kidman explaining why we all love movies.

[01:02:37] It's,

[01:02:38] it's the fucking worst.

[01:02:40] It's awful.

[01:02:41] Yeah.

[01:02:41] My thing is like,

[01:02:42] I see clips of like AMC with like these tick tockers on it.

[01:02:46] Then I'm just like,

[01:02:46] Oh,

[01:02:47] I don't know why.

[01:02:48] I don't know why it makes me more,

[01:02:48] but I'm just like,

[01:02:49] Oh,

[01:02:50] listen,

[01:02:50] I love,

[01:02:51] I love AMC.

[01:02:52] The AMC is probably my favorite movie theater chain,

[01:02:54] at least in my area.

[01:02:55] Cause there is,

[01:02:56] there is varying degrees of quality depending on where you are.

[01:02:59] I've been to some AMC theaters where I'm like,

[01:03:01] this is the shits,

[01:03:02] but most of them,

[01:03:03] at least close to where I live are great.

[01:03:05] It's my favorite one to go to.

[01:03:06] However,

[01:03:07] every time that,

[01:03:08] but I know what word by word now is I've,

[01:03:10] I've seen it so many damn times.

[01:03:11] It's annoying.

[01:03:12] They've never changed it in like.

[01:03:14] You have certain ones of those.

[01:03:15] Yeah.

[01:03:16] Where you just quote it word for word.

[01:03:17] I think they rolled that one out in like 2017,

[01:03:20] 2018,

[01:03:20] somewhere around there.

[01:03:22] And there was one changed.

[01:03:24] There was one they did where it was a Christmas one,

[01:03:26] where it was like,

[01:03:28] there was,

[01:03:28] they had licensed a particular song and it was an animated short.

[01:03:32] It was a Christmas animated short,

[01:03:33] but you could tell that it was,

[01:03:35] we went,

[01:03:36] well,

[01:03:36] we went to a movie in March and they were still playing it.

[01:03:39] And Jordan,

[01:03:40] Jordan said to me,

[01:03:41] he's like,

[01:03:41] that short was clearly very expensive because they're still showing it in

[01:03:44] March.

[01:03:45] It was a,

[01:03:45] yeah.

[01:03:46] Well,

[01:03:47] anyway,

[01:03:47] the cost of a lot of money,

[01:03:48] we're becoming the problem.

[01:03:50] So yeah.

[01:03:52] So yes,

[01:03:52] check out.

[01:03:53] Thank you for enjoying this episode of the final frontier.

[01:03:55] We'll see you guys next week.

[01:03:56] We're like I said,

[01:03:57] once again,

[01:03:57] we'll talk about dagger of the mind and hopefully it will be less weird,

[01:04:01] but hopefully you learned something.

[01:04:03] We will see you next week until then live long and suck it.

[01:04:09] If,

[01:04:10] if you are of an appropriate age.

[01:04:13] Yes.

[01:04:14] Yes.

[01:04:14] Important big dimension.

[01:04:15] If you are not,

[01:04:16] then you can prosper.

[01:04:18] Right.

[01:04:25] Well,

[01:04:26] buckle up everybody.

[01:04:27] Cause it's time to visit the planet area.

[01:04:29] I get excited.

[01:04:30] So I got really excited when the vault was like the vault in my mouth.

[01:04:33] I predict that many,

[01:04:35] many centuries in the future,

[01:04:38] there will be this thing called television.

[01:04:39] Again.

[01:04:40] Okay.