Face To Face With A Nightmare... (ft. Kathryn Long)

[00:00:00] Greetings Goosebumps fans, young and old, big and small, welcome back to the Goosebumps

[00:00:57] Crew Podcast.

[00:00:58] As always, I'm your host, Isaiah Vargas, also known as the Goosebumps Channel on YouTube,

[00:01:01] Twitter and Instagram.

[00:01:02] And of course, I'm joined by the rest of the Goosebumps Crew, Goosebumps, OssieFan,

[00:01:06] Bjorn, Panalik, Shawin, Nick Shaw, and the ultimate Goosebumps man, Michael Lilikwes.

[00:01:10] And we are back, what else, to talk some more Goosebumps.

[00:01:13] And we have a very special treat for you guys today.

[00:01:15] I feel like I say that a lot.

[00:01:16] I feel like I say we have a special treat every time, but we got a lot of special

[00:01:21] treats.

[00:01:22] But this one is extra special.

[00:01:23] We are revisiting the Haunted Mask 1 and 2, arguably some of the best episodes of the

[00:01:28] Goosebumps 90s TV show.

[00:01:30] And I'm telling you guys, we got a really, really special guest here today.

[00:01:34] And that is...

[00:01:35] Hi, I'm Catherine Long here.

[00:01:37] Hi there.

[00:01:38] And Catherine played Carly Beth in both episodes and pretty, pretty popular character

[00:01:45] in the Goosebumps world.

[00:01:47] So we're very happy to have you here, Catherine.

[00:01:49] Yeah, super happy to be here.

[00:01:51] Thanks for inviting me.

[00:01:52] Absolutely.

[00:01:54] And before we get into talking about the Haunted Mask and the Haunted Mask 2, I want to remind

[00:01:58] you all that if you are not subscribed and following the Goosebumps Crew podcast, then

[00:02:03] what in the heck are you doing?

[00:02:05] Because if you are a Goosebumps fan, then you are going to want to follow this podcast.

[00:02:09] Not only do we have new episodes every week, every Wednesday, every week, talking

[00:02:13] about things from the Goosebumps books, the TV show, the movies, the merch, and

[00:02:17] everything in between.

[00:02:19] So we also, like Catherine, have some incredible guests on the podcast.

[00:02:23] Among some of the guests we've had are Tim Jacobus, the original Goosebumps illustrator.

[00:02:26] We've had not one but two slappies on Cal Dodd and Avery Jones.

[00:02:31] We've also had many other 90s show actors including Eugene Lipinski, Kai Eric Erickson,

[00:02:36] Ian Clark, and Amos Crowley who was also in the Haunted Mask 1 and 2.

[00:02:40] So if you guys want to check those episodes out, this is episode number 23.

[00:02:44] So that means there's 22 other episodes you can watch right after this one.

[00:02:47] So make sure you go check those out on YouTube, Spotify, and

[00:02:50] Apple Podcasts wherever you can find podcasts.

[00:02:54] All right, time for the main events.

[00:02:56] We're going to talk about the Haunted Mask 1 and 2.

[00:02:59] Now the Haunted Mask of course was the first episode of the Goosebumps

[00:03:03] 90s television series that aired in October of 1995 on Fox Prime Time in

[00:03:08] the US.

[00:03:10] And this was a pretty big deal.

[00:03:11] It was the very first adaptation of a Goosebumps story.

[00:03:15] The books were going for about three years at this point and

[00:03:18] this was the very first adaptation.

[00:03:20] It had a prime time slot which was pretty unusual for

[00:03:26] many of the shows on Fox Kids at the time.

[00:03:28] The series got its official debut in November.

[00:03:32] But this was a pretty big deal, it was an hour long episode and

[00:03:36] it had a lot of promotion behind it.

[00:03:38] Now Catherine as we said you played the main character Carly Beth.

[00:03:41] She is the girl in the story who is very scared of a lot of things.

[00:03:46] She's scared by all sorts of stuff and there's these two bullies,

[00:03:50] Chuck and Steve, and they just love tormenting her.

[00:03:52] They pull pranks on her all the time and just kind of just humiliate her at

[00:03:56] every moment.

[00:03:58] And one day she finally gets, she finally has an idea and

[00:04:02] she goes and buys this really creepy, really gross Halloween mask.

[00:04:07] And when she puts it on, she wants to terrorize the kids but

[00:04:11] it sort of brings the evil out within her.

[00:04:14] It brings a lot of really, it makes her not herself.

[00:04:19] And it's a very interesting Goosebumps story because it's a very personal

[00:04:23] conflict.

[00:04:24] It's sort of almost like facing your inner demons and

[00:04:28] it's not something that Goosebumps does a lot of sort of ghosts and

[00:04:33] monsters and this is one that feels very personal.

[00:04:35] So I guess my first question is, what was your experience in working on this episode?

[00:04:45] Well, first I'll say that's a really good summary.

[00:04:47] That's really deep actually.

[00:04:49] I don't think I thought about it that deep as like a 12 year old.

[00:04:51] I was like, okay, I'm on set.

[00:04:53] Let's do this.

[00:04:54] Yeah, but I think you're right.

[00:04:57] I don't think any of us really knew the scope of the show and

[00:05:02] how big it was gonna be when it came out.

[00:05:04] I think we were all, like I was really young.

[00:05:08] I had done some TV.

[00:05:09] I had done a lot of theater.

[00:05:11] But that was like my first big TV thing and we were all up in Canada,

[00:05:17] in Toronto and not really realizing how popular this

[00:05:21] was gonna be on a wide scale across the world.

[00:05:25] So when it came out, I was a little shocked at

[00:05:31] how I was being mauled and shopping malls and skating rinks.

[00:05:35] And I couldn't go out for a while.

[00:05:37] I had like, I'm grateful there was no paparazzi back then really because it

[00:05:41] would have been more severe but I was pretty shocked as a 12 year old, I think.

[00:05:47] Yeah, just how much that show blew up and being in the pilot episode,

[00:05:51] we didn't really have like on set, we weren't thinking,

[00:05:54] oh, this is the pilot episode.

[00:05:55] We're such a big deal.

[00:05:57] We weren't thinking that we were just having fun and being kids and doing our job.

[00:06:01] Yeah, I mean, it was a great shoot.

[00:06:05] It was two weeks.

[00:06:08] I remember it was like all nights, obviously, because most of the show was shot at night.

[00:06:12] So my schedule was flipped upside down, two weeks off school, no problems with that.

[00:06:18] It was like right at the beginning of school when we shot it too.

[00:06:21] So I was like, sweet, just a longer summer.

[00:06:24] I didn't have to go back to school at all.

[00:06:26] But yeah, like we all got along on set.

[00:06:28] That's so great.

[00:06:30] You've had Amos and then the other Catherine,

[00:06:33] you know, the notorious Catherine Long, Catherine Short.

[00:06:36] That was like a whole deal on set.

[00:06:39] Like, oh, that's so cool.

[00:06:41] And then everyone thought she was related to Martin Short for a long time.

[00:06:44] We were like, no, that's not a thing.

[00:06:47] But yeah, no, we all got along on set.

[00:06:49] So, you know, as far as Chuck and Steve, we're really mean to meet everything.

[00:06:52] We were all really good friends on set and hung out.

[00:06:56] And yeah, it was long days, though.

[00:06:58] Like it was a long shoot and they made sure I got my 12 hour turn around all the time.

[00:07:02] But like we were working hard because it was all nights and there was a lot of days.

[00:07:07] I remember where the crew was like fighting for the for like dawn to come up.

[00:07:12] They're like, OK, we've got to shoot. We've got to shoot like sun's coming up.

[00:07:14] OK, let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

[00:07:15] So it's always like fighting the sun every single morning to get the shots done.

[00:07:20] But yeah, the director was great.

[00:07:22] Was his name Tim?

[00:07:24] Timothy Bond. He was the director of that one.

[00:07:26] And he was a really good one.

[00:07:28] It's so crazy. I remember that.

[00:07:30] I didn't even look it up before the podcast.

[00:07:32] I should have done my reading.

[00:07:34] But yeah, Tim, yeah, he was great.

[00:07:36] Tim was great.

[00:07:37] And we got to meet R.L.

[00:07:38] Stein on set. That was super fun.

[00:07:40] I thought that was fun because I'd read the books.

[00:07:42] Oh, my gosh. There's my face on a cover of one of your DVDs or VHS.

[00:07:47] I was going to say, I wonder how long it will take.

[00:07:51] Yeah, no, that's incredible.

[00:07:52] Is it in German?

[00:07:54] What is your goosebump?

[00:07:54] It is, yeah.

[00:07:56] That's German.

[00:07:57] Yeah, it's it's it's in German.

[00:07:59] The funny story about the VHS tape is actually because the American one

[00:08:03] and the Australian, like pretty much everywhere else in the world,

[00:08:06] they just use the actual book cover art.

[00:08:08] So, yeah, the one that Isaiah is holding up.

[00:08:10] But in Germany, they actually used the cast members.

[00:08:14] So it was it was really interesting.

[00:08:16] And then Australia did the same thing.

[00:08:18] That's not a video cover.

[00:08:20] Yeah. And then that's the Australian one of the Hornimus, too.

[00:08:23] It's also got the guys on the cover.

[00:08:26] Oh, my gosh.

[00:08:28] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:08:29] I thought I got that chick costume.

[00:08:31] Oh, my gosh. They made so much fun of me on set for that stupid costume.

[00:08:34] Like the guy is really like looking good long.

[00:08:38] Like I was like, I was so afraid.

[00:08:40] Well, yeah, it makes sense in terms of the episode

[00:08:42] because you didn't want to be in a duck costume in the first episode.

[00:08:47] So it makes sense.

[00:08:49] In general, all of my costuming, like the whole overalls they put me in

[00:08:55] and because they tried to make me look really geeky, right?

[00:08:58] Because I didn't fit in at school and I was being teased.

[00:09:02] And so I was kind of like, you know, the outcast.

[00:09:05] So all my costuming, I was just like, oh, good Lord,

[00:09:07] this wardrobe is so like horrendous looking.

[00:09:10] It was yeah, I was not I was not about the costuming,

[00:09:14] but I was like, it's OK, it's for the character.

[00:09:16] It's fine. Yeah, I remember just like because the other Catherine

[00:09:19] got all the cute costumes.

[00:09:20] It's like, why do you get all the cute costumes?

[00:09:22] I hate you. Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:24] So that's great.

[00:09:26] Wow. But I'm glad you brought up that it was the

[00:09:30] because this was the pilot episode and there's many people that we've talked to

[00:09:34] who've been in the TV show and some who had no idea what Goosebumps

[00:09:38] was before they got involved.

[00:09:40] So I'm glad that you brought up that you that you did read the books.

[00:09:44] So you probably had quite a bit of knowledge going into this.

[00:09:48] Yeah, I mean, so many of the books like I read them and I guess

[00:09:52] they just chose The Haunted Mask as the pilot, like

[00:09:55] Haunted Mask wasn't like featured in the books like,

[00:09:58] you know what I mean? It wasn't like a thing like this was supposed

[00:10:01] to be the first book. They just randomly chose a book, I think,

[00:10:04] to be the first to be the first episode.

[00:10:07] So it wasn't like this book stood out more than any of the other stories.

[00:10:10] Some of the other stories, I think, are really good

[00:10:12] as well. But yeah, I mean, I grew up reading them.

[00:10:14] So it was fun when my agent was like, oh, they're auditioning for the TV series.

[00:10:18] And and I was like, oh, OK, that's awesome.

[00:10:21] And so, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:10:23] It's kind of like, I mean, to to to the scope that if you had read

[00:10:27] Harry Potter and then you were auditioning for like the Harry Potter movie,

[00:10:30] which I think you realize that was a really big deal.

[00:10:32] But I think we didn't realize it was a big deal because media

[00:10:36] was so much more limited back then.

[00:10:38] And now I think with media being so big,

[00:10:40] you would know right away it's a big deal and you might be more stressed out.

[00:10:44] Exactly. But yeah, I didn't put any pressure on myself auditioning.

[00:10:47] I wasn't like, oh, I have to get this.

[00:10:49] Like, this is going to be a huge thing for my career.

[00:10:51] And I was like, OK, next audition.

[00:10:53] Like, I didn't think too much about it.

[00:10:55] So it wasn't until the premiere happened and they had some like

[00:11:00] I was in the cover of like TV magazine and everything.

[00:11:03] I was like, oh, whoa. Like, how did this all happen?

[00:11:05] Then I was like, oh, this is this is a lot.

[00:11:08] OK, I guess this is kind of a big deal.

[00:11:10] That's when I realized.

[00:11:11] Yeah, I think my dad still has that framed somewhere in the house.

[00:11:14] Oh, that's really cool.

[00:11:16] Yeah, he has like the cover of the TV magazine.

[00:11:18] I'm framed like somewhere in the house.

[00:11:20] I don't know. It's in a it's probably put away in a dark corner now.

[00:11:23] So, yeah. Oh, wow.

[00:11:25] That's amazing.

[00:11:26] No, it makes a lot of sense because they when we interviewed

[00:11:31] like Ron Oliver and

[00:11:34] a couple others from the past, they all said that

[00:11:36] the Hauna mask wasn't actually the first one that they filmed.

[00:11:39] They actually filmed other ones and then the Hauna mask came in,

[00:11:42] but they chose the Hauna mask to be the first one.

[00:11:45] So I thought that was kind of interesting.

[00:11:47] Now, I didn't know that.

[00:11:49] I'm glad they did.

[00:11:50] So that's kind of interesting because, yeah, that's the way to set off

[00:11:53] the Halloween tone anyway in this franchise because it can be a little bit more

[00:11:58] anyway in this franchise because it came out at the end of October.

[00:12:03] So it made so much more sense to use the Hauna mask.

[00:12:06] Mm hmm. Absolutely.

[00:12:08] And I mean, the Hauna mask.

[00:12:10] So it makes sense that they do that first.

[00:12:12] Yeah, it certainly does, because the Hauna mask is

[00:12:18] the original book, the Hauna mask is usually regarded as like

[00:12:21] one of the best Goosebumps books.

[00:12:22] And it's weird.

[00:12:24] As I said before, it is kind of a deeper story.

[00:12:27] It's like it's almost an outlier in the Goosebumps

[00:12:30] like lineage because it is such a deeply personal story.

[00:12:35] It's about a girl who's kind of just coming to terms with herself

[00:12:39] and just kind of accepting her for what she is.

[00:12:42] And I really love that this episode is a lot slower.

[00:12:48] There's actually moments in this episode where there's no music.

[00:12:51] It's just the characters talking like when she when she realizes

[00:12:56] that the mask is like fused with her, it's become her face at this point.

[00:13:00] And she goes running back to the shopkeeper and the shopkeeper is just like,

[00:13:05] yeah, I know, but there's really nothing I can do.

[00:13:08] And he explains like what what the masks are

[00:13:11] and like why he made them.

[00:13:13] And it's like a really solemn, like sad sort of thing.

[00:13:17] It's a guy who kind of like just didn't love himself.

[00:13:20] And he like made faces to hide behind.

[00:13:24] But he just had so many negative thoughts that they

[00:13:27] that's why they are what they are.

[00:13:30] And you guys are deep about this show. Exactly.

[00:13:33] Well, that's the thing.

[00:13:34] It's like you get to like later in the series and there's nothing like that.

[00:13:38] It's kind of like stuff happens and that's it.

[00:13:44] But this one, I it's crazy because

[00:13:48] this is the most iconic episode.

[00:13:50] Like when people when people think about goosebumps, they think about

[00:13:55] maybe they'll think about the girl cried monster or they'll think about

[00:13:59] Night of the Living Dummy and Slappy and all that.

[00:14:02] But this is usually one that's brought up quite a bit.

[00:14:06] And I've seen like people do video essays on this

[00:14:10] on this episode, just like talking about that stuff.

[00:14:12] That's kind of where I'm coming from.

[00:14:14] It's like you see that and you're like, wow,

[00:14:16] I never really like thought of it like that.

[00:14:19] It's it's got like that's why media literacy is so great.

[00:14:23] It's like you can read between the layers of things,

[00:14:25] even if they didn't intend it like that.

[00:14:28] It's kind of like, yeah, that's that's what we were going for.

[00:14:34] Yeah, I think I mean, I think my character at least

[00:14:38] goes through the largest range of like emotional distress in in in the episode.

[00:14:46] Everyone else is pretty, I mean, not one dimensional,

[00:14:49] but like they serve they serve a purpose in the plot line

[00:14:53] to help me get through everything I'm going through.

[00:14:55] Like Chuck and Steve are pretty one dimensional.

[00:14:58] And then like Catherine Short, who plays Sabrina, is very one dimensional,

[00:15:02] just like the typical best friend, like worried all the time.

[00:15:05] And so yeah, and then I'm going through all these range of things

[00:15:09] because I'm not happy with who I am and I want to be, you know,

[00:15:12] more popular, less picked on.

[00:15:14] And then I want to get revenge.

[00:15:16] So then I have like this vendetta.

[00:15:18] And then, yeah, so I guess there is like a whole depth

[00:15:21] to my journey as a character in it.

[00:15:25] It's funny that you mentioned that because I was just thinking back

[00:15:27] like to all the different scenes in the episode.

[00:15:31] And I know there's one scene where like I go into my bedroom

[00:15:33] and I I start crying and I rip apart my costume.

[00:15:37] And I remember right before we shot that scene, because, you know,

[00:15:42] you're 12 and you don't have a lot of like sad life experiences

[00:15:47] to pull on at that point, hopefully.

[00:15:50] You know? Yeah.

[00:15:50] So I remember thinking like, oh, I have to cry in the scene.

[00:15:53] And what am I going to think about to make myself cry?

[00:15:55] And and and I remember thinking, oh, you know, like I didn't get to go

[00:15:59] to ballet summer camp this summer because I had to do a gig.

[00:16:02] So I had to skip ballet summer camp.

[00:16:04] And that was like the saddest thing I could think of.

[00:16:06] So that was my inspiration for that scene.

[00:16:10] It came out crying.

[00:16:12] So like when you're watching that scene, it's me basically like crying

[00:16:15] over not going to ballet summer camp,

[00:16:17] because that's what I used before they they started rolling

[00:16:20] to get myself to fully cry.

[00:16:22] That was the deleted scene is that there was a deleted scene

[00:16:25] where she got told she wasn't going to summer camp.

[00:16:27] And then that was the breaking point.

[00:16:28] Yeah, that's the deleted scene.

[00:16:30] Right. And then I transitioned way into.

[00:16:33] Yeah, just they chopped it off and ended up on the cutting room floor.

[00:16:37] That'd be amazing. Yeah.

[00:16:39] Yeah, I think like I think the funnest part for me in terms of character

[00:16:44] development in that episode was them letting me do my own monster voice

[00:16:50] for the whole thing, because I had a lot of I had a I had a really heavy

[00:16:54] theater background as a kid and I was vocally trained and and whatnot.

[00:16:58] And then I remember them having a conversation at one point

[00:17:02] when I was starting to transition as the monster

[00:17:06] because, you know, it's kind of gradual.

[00:17:08] Like you said, she puts on the mask and it slowly becomes her.

[00:17:12] Right. Or it becomes her. I become it.

[00:17:14] You know, it's we merge.

[00:17:16] And I remember Tim having a conversation with the producers

[00:17:19] and I could overhear it.

[00:17:21] And they were like, oh, yeah.

[00:17:22] So I guess like at this point, we'll start dubbing over the voice

[00:17:25] or we'll start changing it.

[00:17:27] And I heard that and I jumped in and I was like, no, guys,

[00:17:29] I can do the voice like you let me do the monster voice like I can do it.

[00:17:33] And they were like, oh, really?

[00:17:34] And then so we did a take of me trying it.

[00:17:37] And then I remember that was a fun moment because like the

[00:17:41] the crew and the camera like erupted into applause.

[00:17:43] They were like, it's so great and we're going to do it

[00:17:45] and it's going to be live.

[00:17:46] And and so my voice got a little sore from doing it.

[00:17:50] So many takes like for so many hours a day.

[00:17:53] But it was fun that that was my own voice,

[00:17:56] like the whole show when I was the monster.

[00:17:58] So that that was a fun thing to do

[00:18:02] because I got I really got to go into it like

[00:18:04] I think there's like I laugh a lot as the monster.

[00:18:07] I'm like, hey, and I always run away laughing.

[00:18:12] That's great.

[00:18:13] I don't know why I did that, but they were like, great.

[00:18:15] Let's keep that do that every single scene.

[00:18:18] So it just became part of the monster's personality, that like Gremlin laugh.

[00:18:23] Yeah, it was almost like my gosh.

[00:18:25] It was like it was like doing it was like doing pure theater.

[00:18:28] It was super fun for me. Yeah, I had a great time.

[00:18:31] There's one there is one scene with that where it's just like

[00:18:33] I think she like apologizes to Sabrina's like, I got to go.

[00:18:37] All right. And then all of a sudden you just you just yeah, you hear like.

[00:18:42] Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[00:18:44] That became like the personality of of the monster.

[00:18:47] And yeah, it was it was it was pretty funny doing that.

[00:18:52] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:18:53] It was right after the scene where she told Sabrina it was

[00:18:57] Halloween was her night and then told her, I'm sorry.

[00:19:01] But as soon as she ran off, that's when you heard that laugh.

[00:19:03] So I see you guys.

[00:19:06] You guys know the show better than me.

[00:19:07] I would forget, you know, when it all happened.

[00:19:09] But yes, yeah.

[00:19:11] Well, there is one thing I was curious like watching the episode.

[00:19:15] I'm curious as well, like during that scene where Carly

[00:19:17] Beth is wearing the mask and she like scares those two little kids.

[00:19:20] Like, were those little kids actually like scared of the mask

[00:19:23] behind the scenes or like?

[00:19:25] No, I don't think so because they could see it with me

[00:19:28] and they knew it was because they would look like, you know,

[00:19:30] they were sitting having like snacks with me at the craft table.

[00:19:34] So they weren't really they weren't really scared.

[00:19:39] That wasn't like a thing.

[00:19:41] I think the only thing I think the only part that like grossed

[00:19:43] everyone out was like the worm scene biting into the sandwich

[00:19:47] because it was a real worm.

[00:19:48] I was like method acting and like it needs to be real.

[00:19:51] And so when I bit into it, like all the reactions around from the kids,

[00:19:55] that was like genuine because it was a real worm.

[00:19:57] I like, oh my gosh, that's so gross.

[00:20:00] I'm so glad you brought that up because I was going to be my next question

[00:20:04] is if that was a real worm.

[00:20:06] I'm so glad you brought it up because I actually.

[00:20:08] And so my reactions real, too, because I was like spitting it out of my mouth

[00:20:12] and it was like so gross.

[00:20:13] Yeah. Oh, it's funny because that's actually like such a huge debate

[00:20:17] with people, I mean, even cast members like we had Alan DeSette on here

[00:20:23] and we asked about that and he's like, I don't think it was a real worm.

[00:20:26] He's like, I wouldn't know.

[00:20:27] Like, that's a health hazard.

[00:20:29] And then I guess we can tell Alan they snuck it right past him.

[00:20:33] I don't know if you watch the Amos interview,

[00:20:35] but when we asked Amos about it, he was like, I don't know.

[00:20:38] I know you were going to ask me about that worm and I don't know.

[00:20:41] He's like, you have to let me know when you have Catherine.

[00:20:44] Yes. Yeah, we need to be real.

[00:20:48] Yeah, because I wanted to be fully disgusted.

[00:20:50] I think we should because we you know, you shoot everything out of order.

[00:20:53] Right.

[00:20:54] And by that point, we already started shooting the mask stuff and the voice.

[00:20:58] And I was like, I was fully committed at that point.

[00:21:00] I was like, everything's going to be real.

[00:21:02] Everything's going to be all in.

[00:21:04] It was it was.

[00:21:06] Yeah. Oh, it was.

[00:21:07] Yeah.

[00:21:07] When when Isaiah and I went and saw Stein at an event

[00:21:11] last year, he had talked about that as one of his favorite memories.

[00:21:15] He is like, you think you'd only have to bite into a worm one time,

[00:21:18] but she did it like eight times. So.

[00:21:22] Yeah, it's all a bunch of times.

[00:21:24] I won't I won't discuss a couple of times when the worm like exploded.

[00:21:28] Like when I put in that was really.

[00:21:31] Yeah.

[00:21:32] So whichever take they took, maybe that was the take

[00:21:35] because I did have to do it a whole bunch of times because, you know,

[00:21:38] background noise and people not walking in the right place

[00:21:41] in the background or whatever.

[00:21:42] But yeah, no, we did.

[00:21:43] We did do it a bunch of times.

[00:21:45] Well, that's the thing, because taking the episode is like you bite into it

[00:21:48] and you probably you probably just be like,

[00:21:51] but it's like it's almost like, yeah, I spit it out right away.

[00:21:54] Yeah, it's almost like a gag reflex, like sort of thing, because maybe

[00:21:58] maybe it was. Yeah.

[00:22:00] Yeah. I think that's funny that the name is well, I mean, like

[00:22:02] we only have so much memory like that's a long time ago,

[00:22:05] but it's funny that he doesn't remember it was real because I remember him

[00:22:08] and the other what was his name, the guy who played.

[00:22:12] I don't remember. I always blank on him.

[00:22:14] I know who played him in the second one because it was a different kid.

[00:22:17] But it was a different guy. Yeah.

[00:22:19] Yeah. I like George Davis.

[00:22:22] If I remember correctly, I think he changed his last name here and there,

[00:22:25] but I think it was George Davis.

[00:22:26] OK, it can be on the fine script behind you, Nick.

[00:22:29] It should be right there on your screen.

[00:22:30] Yeah, well, that's it.

[00:22:33] You just have to grab it over.

[00:22:34] But no, that was that was always something we wanted to know for sure

[00:22:38] was just that if it wasn't because there were some people being like,

[00:22:42] yes, it was.

[00:22:42] And then there was some being like, no, it wasn't.

[00:22:45] Or they're like, I sure hope it wasn't.

[00:22:47] Well, from the source, you know,

[00:22:50] I know everyone at home is less easy knowing the truth.

[00:22:54] It's been a hot topic, literally in the Goosebumps world like

[00:22:59] like I said, writing posts about this people writing.

[00:23:03] And I remember there's been mixed sources of me and we get like I said,

[00:23:06] we had Alan DeSante said no.

[00:23:09] RL Stein says yes.

[00:23:10] Yeah, he was adamant.

[00:23:11] Remember, like I wouldn't have allowed that.

[00:23:13] So you guys must have snuck it past him.

[00:23:15] He must have been like, oh, yeah,

[00:23:17] I mean, Tim and I Tim and I, we were just in cahoots, I think the whole time.

[00:23:21] So whatever health hazards they were trying to avoid,

[00:23:23] that was not not avoided at that point.

[00:23:25] We bypassed.

[00:23:27] We bypassed all that.

[00:23:28] Yeah. Oh, my God.

[00:23:29] It's just so funny that that's been like hot topic.

[00:23:31] It's like, oh, like the bite of the worm trending on Twitter.

[00:23:34] Like, oh, my gosh, that's that's ridiculous.

[00:23:36] Goosebumps. Yeah, that's strange.

[00:23:40] That's just good.

[00:23:41] I was wondering, too, is like.

[00:23:44] Like something else I was wanting to is like with the mask itself,

[00:23:47] before it gets the prosthetic, when it's the actual mask,

[00:23:50] were there like multiple different mask props?

[00:23:52] Because throughout the episode, she puts it on in a different way.

[00:23:55] But the very first time she puts it on, it has like an open flap

[00:23:58] that she folds over the back and closes.

[00:24:00] And then the second time she just pulls it over.

[00:24:03] Yeah, there was a couple of different masks.

[00:24:06] They had one that fit really nicely to my face

[00:24:11] because they did a they did a cast mold of my face, right,

[00:24:13] which was actually the first time I'd ever had that done.

[00:24:17] It was a little like scary because they're essentially

[00:24:20] you only have two straws coming out of your nose

[00:24:23] and you're being completely covered in plaster like your whole face.

[00:24:26] So it's like very claustrophobic

[00:24:28] in terms of like getting stuck in there and having to be in there

[00:24:31] for a full 20 to 30 minutes while they're casting your face.

[00:24:34] So I remember when they did the cast

[00:24:36] and then they made a whole bunch of masks that were fit exactly to my face.

[00:24:41] And you're right, there was a slit up the back

[00:24:43] for the one I had to put on in that scene.

[00:24:45] But then the ones that they did that were for like

[00:24:48] the scenes where I was running around as the character,

[00:24:52] they didn't have the slit.

[00:24:53] So it was like very tight to get on over my head.

[00:24:56] I forget how long the whole process took.

[00:24:58] It was long because they had to glue everything down

[00:25:02] to my skin and my neck and blend it.

[00:25:04] Not as much as like not as much makeup as you would see

[00:25:07] for like a movie like X-Men or something like that.

[00:25:09] Now, it was not that intense because it was just one prosthetic.

[00:25:12] So my lips, the teeth, the eyes, the eyes were the worst

[00:25:17] because there was so much glue that had to go around my eye every day

[00:25:21] and then taking it off at night.

[00:25:22] Like my eyes got so red and so sensitive.

[00:25:25] Like I remember like I remember crying a few times

[00:25:27] when they would take off the eye part at night

[00:25:29] because I was you know, you're 12 and you're tired and and it hurts.

[00:25:33] And so it's a couple of days.

[00:25:34] I was like, OK, this is a lot.

[00:25:36] But, you know, it was it was great.

[00:25:38] It wasn't like a seven hour makeup process or anything.

[00:25:42] I think it was like an hour and a half or two hours,

[00:25:44] which by makeup standards in the industry is is nothing

[00:25:49] when you look at it now.

[00:25:50] But but yeah, you know, getting into it and the teeth.

[00:25:53] And I think I had contacts as well, if I remember.

[00:25:57] But I'd had to wear contacts before for like a vampire series.

[00:26:00] So I was used to that. They're pretty thick.

[00:26:02] But yeah, the whole process getting into it.

[00:26:04] There was a couple of different masks.

[00:26:05] They let me keep the one that I wore the most.

[00:26:07] I still have it. Mm hmm.

[00:26:09] That's very cool.

[00:26:10] I have the original one, which I hope maybe I can like auction off

[00:26:14] someday or do something with it.

[00:26:15] I have the original bust as well

[00:26:18] because they made two busts, but it never broke.

[00:26:21] So they always made to like I made a bunch, I guess, in case one broke.

[00:26:24] But the one that we use the entire time never broke.

[00:26:26] And they let me keep that one.

[00:26:27] So I have it. That's still wow.

[00:26:30] So yeah, so I have the original bust and I have the original mask,

[00:26:33] or at least the one that I wore the most the last five days of filming.

[00:26:37] That's really cool, though.

[00:26:39] Yeah, it still has all the rips in the eye from what they would rip it off

[00:26:42] every night and like go under with the Q-tip.

[00:26:44] So it's like very jagged around the lips.

[00:26:46] It's very jagged from all the glue.

[00:26:47] So yeah, it's it's the authentic, the authentic relic condition was

[00:26:53] I wonder how the condition was because I've seen

[00:26:57] only one other one out in the wild.

[00:26:59] And that was one that I guess Steve Levitan sold to somebody.

[00:27:04] And I'm such a huge haunt of mass collector.

[00:27:07] I couldn't get this guy to sell it to me, mind you.

[00:27:09] But he was like, hey, I want to show you this.

[00:27:11] This is the original one

[00:27:13] from one of the original ones from the show.

[00:27:16] It's not in the best shape.

[00:27:17] But the only other person I know who has one is Ron Stefanik.

[00:27:21] And I think, yeah, yeah,

[00:27:23] I think his might just be from the second one, if I'm not mistaken.

[00:27:27] If he still has one from the first one,

[00:27:29] it doesn't have any teeth or anything.

[00:27:30] So maybe that was another one used with acrylics.

[00:27:33] But you get like actual pieces of one, though.

[00:27:37] Then someone like sell you like they had one.

[00:27:39] But it was like falling apart.

[00:27:41] The guy the guy who has that mask is like, hey, like this is it's crumbling.

[00:27:46] He's like he wants to get it sealed so it doesn't get destroyed much more.

[00:27:52] Because I guess Steve Levitan just left it in front of like

[00:27:55] a window where the sun could hit every day.

[00:27:56] And of course, you don't want to do that to a mask.

[00:27:58] Yeah. So it's shrank onto the

[00:28:01] the bus that's underneath it.

[00:28:03] So and it's really hard, like hard as a rock, he said.

[00:28:07] Oh, wow. It's not wearable anymore.

[00:28:08] It's not pliable anymore.

[00:28:10] So it's just kind of breaking away.

[00:28:11] Yeah. He asked me if I wanted pieces of it that were falling off.

[00:28:15] And to anybody else would be like, no, man, throw that crap away.

[00:28:18] But no, I of course, is like, yeah, send it my way.

[00:28:21] I will definitely put that into what we call the haunted mask museum here.

[00:28:25] So he's got in a Petri dish, a little little crumbled pieces of mask.

[00:28:31] Oh, my word.

[00:28:33] Well, you got a mask behind you there, I noticed.

[00:28:36] Is that is that like how where is that mask from?

[00:28:40] So this was actually made by a prop maker, but he doesn't.

[00:28:47] So it's just a copy of what was out there.

[00:28:50] He makes one with acrylic tea, too, which I have.

[00:28:52] But that one's over my TV.

[00:28:54] And this one is from.

[00:28:55] But then the the Carly Beth bust is another guy that's over here who

[00:29:00] made that is the only one I know who actually made one fairly decent.

[00:29:04] That looks like the one from the show

[00:29:06] because we had Matt Wilde on and he said that we're both were pretty

[00:29:12] identical to what they had, which is credit to these independent artists

[00:29:16] who have no way to actually get those original props

[00:29:21] scanned and to make anything like that.

[00:29:23] So it's all based on just I.

[00:29:26] Yeah. And this is the one.

[00:29:28] The bust always like creeped me out on set.

[00:29:31] I would always look at it and be like,

[00:29:33] I was like, OK, first of all, I didn't think it looked like me.

[00:29:36] So it would creep me out even more.

[00:29:37] It just looked like some weird avatar version of me.

[00:29:40] It was so weird to look at every time they bring it out.

[00:29:43] I'd be like, put that away. I don't want to look at it.

[00:29:45] Well, and then they do the thing with the eyes and the mouth and it talks.

[00:29:49] And honestly, that's probably one of the

[00:29:51] that's honestly creepier than the mask.

[00:29:54] Mm hmm. Yeah.

[00:29:55] I remember going in to do the ADR for that because that, you know,

[00:29:58] does it start saying like, help me or something?

[00:30:01] And I remember going in to do the ADR and looking at the CGI over it.

[00:30:05] And it's like so it's such janky CGI, right?

[00:30:07] When you look at what you can do today.

[00:30:09] It's so funny.

[00:30:10] And so I remember looking at it when I was like doing the voice over

[00:30:13] and I was like, that looks so weird.

[00:30:15] And that's really weird.

[00:30:16] That's funny because Goosebumps is essentially notorious for it's like

[00:30:20] its era of 90 CGI where it was odd.

[00:30:24] Yeah. And it would certainly.

[00:30:25] I mean, like it didn't use it a lot in the first two seasons.

[00:30:29] But once it got to like the last half of the series, it really

[00:30:32] started moving into it and it did not look good at all.

[00:30:36] Yeah. You know, honestly, like the way the eyes and mouth

[00:30:39] are superimposed onto the bus, like that, like dated CGI

[00:30:43] honestly makes it look creepier, in my opinion.

[00:30:45] It does. Yeah.

[00:30:46] No, it's something about it that's a bit eerie and uncanny valley.

[00:30:50] It's like odd. Yeah.

[00:30:52] Yeah, it's like, yes.

[00:30:54] It's almost like disturbing in a sense, you know, like that freaked me out as a kid.

[00:30:58] I mean, the scene that genuinely scared the shit out of me, though,

[00:31:01] was the one in the store where all the masks start floating up

[00:31:04] and start shooting out towards Callie Beth, when she's trying to escape.

[00:31:08] That scene actually gave me nightmares.

[00:31:10] Like I had a dream that the masks were flying at me, like,

[00:31:13] and I was screaming myself awake and my mom's like,

[00:31:16] I told you not to watch Goosebumps.

[00:31:17] But I mean, I was watching Goosebumps when I was four.

[00:31:20] So, yeah, no, it's it.

[00:31:22] We live and breathe this franchise.

[00:31:24] So like I didn't care that it scared.

[00:31:25] I liked that it scared me.

[00:31:27] You know what I mean?

[00:31:28] I love how we had like no oversight in the 80s and 90s.

[00:31:31] Like, I think I watched Poltergeist when I was like seven.

[00:31:34] I was scared of clowns forever after that.

[00:31:37] I mean, no one was watching.

[00:31:38] No one was paying attention to what we were doing back then.

[00:31:40] It was like, oh, go entertain yourself, run outside, do whatever.

[00:31:44] Especially when you look at back then, like some of those

[00:31:46] even like Poltergeist is rated PG and like that probably nowadays.

[00:31:49] That's probably more PG 13.

[00:31:51] And like he was much more intense.

[00:31:53] I mean, like Beetlejuice is PG and that has some.

[00:31:57] Well, I mean, that's what he actually meant something.

[00:32:00] Now it's like PG is just kind of like they'll just add

[00:32:03] and a one maybe one instance of like the word crap or something like that

[00:32:09] or like a very, very, very subtle like adult joke.

[00:32:15] But PG used to actually be like.

[00:32:18] You need your parents to watch this, and that's the thing.

[00:32:21] So, oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:32:23] What about PG is basically just the OG.

[00:32:26] One thing about

[00:32:28] the oldest one in this group, so I'm I'm very familiar with

[00:32:32] just getting thrown into the mix of the horror genre,

[00:32:35] because I think, yeah, like Child's Play at six and

[00:32:38] you know, all this other stuff.

[00:32:40] There was just they didn't care then.

[00:32:42] It wasn't such a big deal.

[00:32:43] Yeah. So those ratings didn't really mean much back then like they do now.

[00:32:47] One more thing about fan made masks.

[00:32:49] This is actually the one that was made by Trick or Feet Studios,

[00:32:53] who we've also had in the podcast, and they're a Halloween mask company.

[00:32:56] And these are these are more mass produced.

[00:32:59] But this is a replica of the one from the original episode.

[00:33:02] Don't mind the sun hat.

[00:33:04] That's just him looking swagger.

[00:33:06] But but it's a pretty good replica, all things considered.

[00:33:11] It's actually funny because this is the second one I've had.

[00:33:14] The first one I had actually did eventually with her.

[00:33:18] But one Halloween, I actually like put it on

[00:33:23] and I like I wore it and it was like pretty cool.

[00:33:26] It felt pretty nice.

[00:33:27] And then the next Halloween, I wanted to wear it again.

[00:33:29] And I put it on. I'm like, oh, this is way too tight.

[00:33:34] So I can't breathe in this thing.

[00:33:37] So that's the whole point.

[00:33:38] I know. And that was like, oh, no, it's real.

[00:33:42] So I meant to come off the whole point.

[00:33:45] Yeah, yeah.

[00:33:46] The mask didn't actually look very scary without the teeth.

[00:33:48] The teeth made it look way, way scarier.

[00:33:50] Like when I remember when I would have the mask on it,

[00:33:52] like when they put it on every day and then I'd look in the mirror

[00:33:54] and be like, oh, it just looks fine.

[00:33:56] And you put the teeth on and you're like, oh, now it looks scary.

[00:33:58] Yeah. Well, that's the thing, too.

[00:33:59] It's like I think like as the episode goes on,

[00:34:02] the teeth get more like realistic.

[00:34:04] And I think even at one point, they actually made it

[00:34:06] look like they were like real teeth.

[00:34:09] But that was just it was incredible on the part of like the,

[00:34:12] you know, the prosthetics and Ron's team and all that stuff,

[00:34:15] because that mask was really well done.

[00:34:18] It was really well done.

[00:34:19] And they had like nine.

[00:34:21] I'm trying to remember now things are coming back to me as we're talking.

[00:34:24] Like there's a scene where like I'm in the mirror

[00:34:28] and I'm noticing like how real it is or something.

[00:34:30] I forget exactly what goes on in that scene.

[00:34:32] But I remember they were like glazing me up like a donut,

[00:34:37] like all of this, like sweat and stuff they were putting on the mask

[00:34:41] so that it looked like hyper realistic.

[00:34:44] And like when you did the close up and stuff,

[00:34:47] I was just like, oh, I

[00:34:50] I look super shiny. I was glazy.

[00:34:52] But yeah, they they definitely the team.

[00:34:55] The team was working overtime for sure, especially for that era

[00:34:58] to to make it look really hyper realistic.

[00:35:01] And I think, you know, scary for the kids who are who are watching it.

[00:35:05] I think they were pushing the envelope definitely for our age category of like

[00:35:08] what was kosher to put on prime time TV that was scary enough, but not too scary.

[00:35:13] So I think they they did their job for sure.

[00:35:16] Yeah, the floating heads was a fun scene.

[00:35:17] I mean, I shot all that without anyone there.

[00:35:19] It was just like run away from now.

[00:35:21] So like you'd be shooting it and they're like,

[00:35:23] now the heads are coming this way.

[00:35:25] And then I would have to run a certain direction.

[00:35:27] And then in the graveyard scene to running and

[00:35:30] and that graveyard scene was shot like at 4am or something.

[00:35:34] I remember that's the one day when the producers were like screaming at everyone

[00:35:37] to get everything done fast, because it was like the last two days of shooting.

[00:35:41] And they had limited time.

[00:35:43] And so we shot that like as fast as we could because we were losing

[00:35:48] we were losing night sky like daylight was coming up.

[00:35:51] And then so then they start shooting lights in opposite directions

[00:35:53] and blocking things off to like maintain the darkness in the shot.

[00:35:57] But yeah, like running through the graveyard and like tripping and falling.

[00:36:00] And the heads are like imaginary running after you, but they're not there.

[00:36:04] It's all like green screen afterwards.

[00:36:06] But yeah, those were those were all fun night shoots.

[00:36:10] It was but yeah, I never got to see the heads.

[00:36:12] It was funny, though, because I was just about to say we did when we talked with Alan.

[00:36:16] He had pictures of when they did that effect,

[00:36:19] because, yeah, it was just it was like the the sort of like skin tight,

[00:36:24] like blue screen suit, and then they would have the mask on.

[00:36:27] So then it was like it looks like the head there floating.

[00:36:30] But again, going back to how 90s television effects were done,

[00:36:34] especially on the budget that they had at the time.

[00:36:37] It's weird and choppy, but it almost it adds almost to it.

[00:36:42] That's it's like a weird like this almost works with how it's like a so bad

[00:36:47] it's good sort of thing.

[00:36:49] Like in and that sort of thing.

[00:36:51] Also, I like this now it's more like a charm.

[00:36:54] It kind of has a charm to it more than what you even see today.

[00:36:58] And to be fair, some of the movies today, special effects are pretty bad,

[00:37:03] given the time.

[00:37:05] Some of the ones on Goosebumps

[00:37:06] even I think are better than some of the ones in these

[00:37:07] multimillion dollar movies anymore.

[00:37:10] So yeah.

[00:37:11] Well, I mean, I think for the time, I think they did a good job.

[00:37:14] So oh, yeah, it did its job to me.

[00:37:17] Oh, a lot of yeah.

[00:37:19] Yeah, it's a drama to unpack after that one.

[00:37:22] Oh, yeah.

[00:37:23] That's a really good point.

[00:37:25] Like there has been online and I'm sure it's true,

[00:37:29] but I would love to see it at some point.

[00:37:31] But I guess the original ending for the Haunted Mask episode

[00:37:35] actually was you screaming when Noah has his mask, the mask on at that point.

[00:37:40] And that's how I guess how it was supposed to end.

[00:37:42] But supposedly they cut that out because your scream

[00:37:46] with that was too frightening, they thought for TV.

[00:37:50] Is there any truth to that at all?

[00:37:51] Or is that kind of like a yeah, actually, no.

[00:37:53] Now that I'm thinking about it, we did shoot that ending.

[00:37:55] But like.

[00:37:57] Doesn't it end with him like having the mask on and he starts like laughing

[00:38:00] and then he keeps laughing, but it goes to silence

[00:38:02] and then it fades out on that, right?

[00:38:04] Yeah, it fades.

[00:38:05] Yeah, like our signs outro.

[00:38:07] Yeah, right.

[00:38:08] Did the introduction and all that.

[00:38:10] But yeah, no, we did do we did do a scream.

[00:38:13] Yeah, I guess that was me.

[00:38:14] I guess that was my theater training was a little too realistic.

[00:38:17] Sorry, guys.

[00:38:19] Yeah, I think like for me, the most effective

[00:38:22] I guess it was like two was too carry ask or something.

[00:38:26] I mean, like the thing is, like, I feel like the most powerful scene for me

[00:38:29] and I think the scene that freaked me out the most is like not even like

[00:38:32] with the mask floating, it's the scene where you go back to the

[00:38:35] the mask shop after you find the mask is stuck

[00:38:38] and the shop, you know, this face is your face now

[00:38:41] and it shows you reflection in the mirror.

[00:38:43] And like that scream was just so like

[00:38:46] soul wrenching.

[00:38:48] It's like it's not even it's like fear, but like

[00:38:51] it's like an extreme sadness.

[00:38:53] And even going back to like the scene where you do the costume, it's like, wow.

[00:38:59] It's like it's funny, too, because a lot of people are like

[00:39:02] it almost sounds like she's crying, but she's also like laughing.

[00:39:06] Like, it's almost like a cry laugh.

[00:39:08] Like, it's such a fit of hysteria that it's I don't know.

[00:39:13] It was like I was probably like disassociating at that point

[00:39:16] because I had been that character for like 10 days straight.

[00:39:18] So probably maybe it was.

[00:39:21] It's just like I remember one person in particular was just like it almost is

[00:39:26] like she's just like so upset that it's like ripping up the costume.

[00:39:30] It's almost like a slight bit of insanity.

[00:39:33] You're just kind of coming out.

[00:39:35] And it's like, well, I think definitely she does go a little a little bonkers,

[00:39:40] you know, at the end.

[00:39:42] So I think that's all kind of blended, blended in there.

[00:39:46] I guess it was more of a complex character than I'll

[00:39:49] give it credit for. But yeah, no, for sure.

[00:39:51] Yeah, that that whole that whole like she she kind of degenerates into like,

[00:39:55] you know, madness at the end trying to figure out how she's going to like

[00:39:59] get the mask off. And this is her new her new self.

[00:40:03] So and the whole metaphoric meaning and how that translates to the audience,

[00:40:07] like the authenticity of being yourself and not wanting to be someone you're not.

[00:40:11] And I can see that messaging ended up coming through pretty strong in the episode.

[00:40:14] So it was, like you said, probably deeper than any of us really thought about

[00:40:18] at our at the time for our age.

[00:40:20] So absolutely.

[00:40:22] I will attest to that.

[00:40:23] That's why I love the episode so much and why my goosebumps

[00:40:26] collection is surrounded by it.

[00:40:28] You know, when you grow up and you're bullied or, you know,

[00:40:32] you can relate to not being, you know, feeling like you're loved,

[00:40:35] you know, because you don't love yourself.

[00:40:37] So the episode does a really good job of portraying that

[00:40:41] different aspects of your life, because obviously, you know, parents love you.

[00:40:47] You're getting teased at school, though,

[00:40:48] so you're not feeling loved regardless, even if you are loved at home.

[00:40:51] It's very it's got a lot more meaning to it for a lot of people

[00:40:54] for different reasons.

[00:40:57] But I mean, like even stuff like I know you said, you read the books,

[00:41:00] the Haunted Mask book, one thing that they changed in the episode

[00:41:04] over the book that I actually really preferred was another metaphorical

[00:41:08] turn, which was when she got rid of the headbust that looked like her

[00:41:13] in the book, she just kind of like kicked it behind a bush.

[00:41:16] But in the episode, she had it in the cemetery after scaring Chuck and Steve.

[00:41:20] She buried it. So it's kind of

[00:41:22] it was kind of like, you know, she was burying her past self

[00:41:26] to become this new person or even saying like,

[00:41:30] this is like it's she's because Sabrina is like, well, what is that?

[00:41:35] And it's like, well, it's me.

[00:41:36] It's who I used to be.

[00:41:38] And she was like, used to be and was like, forget it.

[00:41:42] But it's like, oh, yeah, you guys know the episode so much better than me.

[00:41:45] Like, you guys remember all these details?

[00:41:47] I'm just going to let you guys talk about it because I don't know.

[00:41:50] But that's that. Yeah, it comes back to me when I think about it.

[00:41:53] Yeah, well, that's the thing.

[00:41:54] It just kind of goes back to the whole like it was written differently.

[00:41:58] And whether or not this was all intentional,

[00:42:00] like it could all be just a coincidence.

[00:42:03] But it does play out like that.

[00:42:05] It's it's like, wow, like she almost is like kind of saying goodbye to her past self.

[00:42:11] But when it like when she's actually confronted with that,

[00:42:14] like the reality of this is who you are now.

[00:42:17] It's suddenly like, I don't want this.

[00:42:20] I don't want that. I don't want this as my face forever.

[00:42:25] So it's and then and then it makes it makes it more satisfying

[00:42:30] when she does realize what that bust means.

[00:42:34] It's the symbol of her mom made it for her because she loves her.

[00:42:38] And then that's the moment where it finally clicks.

[00:42:40] And it's like, I got people in my life who care about me.

[00:42:45] That's all I should need.

[00:42:47] Oh, yeah, because at the end, when I holding the bus and I'm like,

[00:42:50] oh, it's a symbol of love and and oh, yeah, that's right.

[00:42:53] That whole ending. Yeah.

[00:42:55] Yeah, you guys are you guys are on you guys are onto something there.

[00:42:58] Yeah, no, I fully agree. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:43:01] And we was the moment every little detail.

[00:43:05] That's all I can say, like when we're talking together,

[00:43:07] like we'll go so far in depth for every Goosebumps episode,

[00:43:11] even the cringey ones like we'll unpack every

[00:43:16] tune in next time when we discuss the philosophical meaning behind.

[00:43:20] I don't know, click my hair.

[00:43:22] I just bet teachers bet. Yes.

[00:43:26] Wow, I still can't believe it's been that long.

[00:43:28] Like, it's so crazy.

[00:43:29] And if they're and it's going to be years next year doing the new

[00:43:34] they have a new Goosebumps series now that's on Disney Plus,

[00:43:37] I think is a Disney Plus. Yep.

[00:43:40] Yeah, I've always thought I've always wondered.

[00:43:42] I've always wondered whether they would like reach out to the people

[00:43:45] that are like on the original Goosebumps cast and then have them

[00:43:47] like come back and make cameos.

[00:43:49] I think they're going like a different direction with that show.

[00:43:53] So they have their own vision of what they're doing.

[00:43:55] But but yeah, no, I mean, if there was a movie

[00:43:59] and then there's the new series, so they're still they're still on

[00:44:03] the gravy train of the keeping the Goosebumps alive.

[00:44:07] So yeah, they're all.

[00:44:08] I just think we are mostly in agreeance with that.

[00:44:11] We don't much care for it because it kind of veered

[00:44:14] way too far from the material because it's not really like

[00:44:18] it doesn't really stick with the books, right?

[00:44:20] It kind of just goes into a very loose adaptation.

[00:44:24] They're just using it was almost like a namesake sort of thing.

[00:44:27] They took the likeness, but not really the story.

[00:44:30] It was it that's a whole can of worms right there.

[00:44:34] But OK, I got you.

[00:44:36] I know nothing about it.

[00:44:38] So they did do a haunt.

[00:44:40] Ask adaptation.

[00:44:41] And I feel like that was what angered people the most

[00:44:44] because because they like the episode, the original episode so much

[00:44:47] that the new one didn't do anything like that.

[00:44:51] It was a complete departure.

[00:44:52] It was it was partly that, but also like the design

[00:44:56] of the original mask for the 90s show was so good.

[00:44:59] Like it, the new one was really a white

[00:45:02] fakers, mass makers and everything like it's incredible.

[00:45:06] This new show only made it a white plain mask.

[00:45:09] Like it was really weird, like phantom, like a phantom looking mask,

[00:45:14] like from the Phantom of the Opera sort of style, you know,

[00:45:17] like just playing white.

[00:45:18] Well, not even so much that because the Phantom was only a part mask.

[00:45:21] This is more like it's a full on mask, but it's more like a Kabuki mask.

[00:45:26] I guess it's just plain white.

[00:45:28] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Occasionally get some emotion later.

[00:45:30] And then the next thing you know, it's it turns her into like a.

[00:45:35] I don't know, troll like monster thing.

[00:45:37] It was weird.

[00:45:38] It's weird. It's not good.

[00:45:40] Like the movies were that we.

[00:45:43] Not everybody ultimately not fan approved, not approved.

[00:45:46] Even the movie, even the first Goosebump movie Horned Mask,

[00:45:50] they tried to sort of make it similar to the original show.

[00:45:53] Like we were in a grants that we enjoyed the movie,

[00:45:56] particularly the first one, like the second one was OK.

[00:45:58] But like the first movie was just fun.

[00:46:00] You know, they made a Goosebumps movie, but they made it fun

[00:46:03] for the kids and stuff, you know, and they did add in a lot of references

[00:46:06] to the older generation like us, like the nostalgia.

[00:46:09] So yeah, my husband, my husband always jokes that

[00:46:14] because I still to this day get get goosebumps like fan mail.

[00:46:18] And it's funny because I've moved several times over the last,

[00:46:22] you know, 15 years and people will still track me down

[00:46:26] to where I am and send me mail, which is a little a little creepy.

[00:46:29] But nonetheless, I still get quite a bit of like attention from it.

[00:46:35] But my husband always jokes, he's like, yeah, the goosebumps is coming back.

[00:46:38] He's like they should do an episode where you play the mom

[00:46:41] and then your kid finds like the mask.

[00:46:43] And then as the mom, you have to help her as Carly Bath to like,

[00:46:47] you know, and I was like, oh, and you should like

[00:46:49] send in your proposal to Hollywood.

[00:46:50] I was like laughing so hard.

[00:46:53] He really should.

[00:46:54] That's already a much better premise.

[00:46:55] Yeah, then what we got?

[00:46:57] Yeah, it'd be kind of fun, though.

[00:46:59] It'd be kind of fun to like,

[00:47:02] like have, you know, Carly Bath grown up and then have to like go rescue

[00:47:05] like her her kid or something like that.

[00:47:08] Yeah, that'd be great.

[00:47:09] Interesting as a story.

[00:47:11] That'd be great.

[00:47:12] I want to must three really would rather have that.

[00:47:15] Haunted Mass Three. Yeah.

[00:47:17] On that's really cool.

[00:47:18] That would be awesome.

[00:47:19] They should just do like a one off thing.

[00:47:21] That'd be awesome.

[00:47:22] But the whole cast back.

[00:47:24] Yeah, that would be cool.

[00:47:26] Speaking of Catherine, Catherine's not acting anymore, but

[00:47:30] she we're friends on social media and stuff, and she has a family now

[00:47:34] and is doing great.

[00:47:35] But yeah, I know.

[00:47:37] I know some of them are still in in like the industry and some are not.

[00:47:41] I'm not in the industry anymore.

[00:47:42] I'm still in theater, but not actively in the film industry.

[00:47:45] But I know some of them stayed in the film industry.

[00:47:47] So, yeah, I wouldn't be hard to rally them all back together.

[00:47:51] It's tough with everyone being like our age now and completely,

[00:47:55] for the most part, completely different lives and like

[00:47:58] like getting everyone's schedules to align and if they're available

[00:48:02] and even if they're interested, because I know some people it's

[00:48:04] it's tricky like when you go back to being

[00:48:07] revisiting stuff as being a child actor and some people

[00:48:10] like don't want to go back and revisit that at all.

[00:48:12] They just want to be like, no, I'm not interested in talking about that.

[00:48:15] Like, it's not my thing now.

[00:48:16] So it can be it can be tricky.

[00:48:19] But yeah, we have had that and we totally respect their decision

[00:48:23] and we just move on. Yeah.

[00:48:25] Yeah, for sure.

[00:48:26] So I mean, I think I think it's really I think it's really fun that

[00:48:31] I mean, I had the opportunity to be a part of another

[00:48:36] another franchise that was a vampire franchise.

[00:48:39] And like the fan base for these type of shows is so huge.

[00:48:43] Like, I'm actually still surprised I never

[00:48:46] I never did even a comic con for Goosebumps or anything like that,

[00:48:50] because for the vampire series that I was in when I was a kid,

[00:48:54] I did like so many conventions and events for that.

[00:48:57] And like the fan base was was crazy.

[00:49:01] And like it was closer to when we were shooting it and it came out.

[00:49:04] So obviously all the cast was really involved

[00:49:06] and it was more of a promotional thing.

[00:49:08] But I was still always really shocked that they never did that

[00:49:11] for Goosebumps at the time when we were younger.

[00:49:15] Just thinking back on it now,

[00:49:16] I'm just realizing like, oh, we did that for that vampire series,

[00:49:19] but we never did it for Goosebumps.

[00:49:21] And I guess they just never capitalized on it or whatnot.

[00:49:24] So still a surprise. Yeah, it's very surprising.

[00:49:28] And I did reach out to Scholastic and they got back to me.

[00:49:32] One department was really excited about it.

[00:49:35] But when they forwarded it up, I think this is what happened

[00:49:37] because then I got an email back basically saying,

[00:49:40] no, we don't want to do any of that.

[00:49:42] We don't want to be involved.

[00:49:43] And I was like, oh, OK.

[00:49:45] It's like, well, I mean, most conventions, honestly,

[00:49:48] like when they get celebrities, the companies who own them

[00:49:53] aren't typically involved anyway.

[00:49:55] Like Sony doesn't put on a convention.

[00:49:57] Columbia Pictures doesn't put on a convention.

[00:49:59] It's always these independent people who do it anyway.

[00:50:02] So that's where our thought process came after Scholastic said

[00:50:05] they didn't want to be involved.

[00:50:06] You could argue is maybe the best way because sometimes

[00:50:10] when fans run something, fans are more in tune with,

[00:50:15] you know, that sort of thing because they're more familiar with it.

[00:50:19] So in a way.

[00:50:22] You know, sometimes it could work out.

[00:50:24] Now that I'm thinking about it, it does make sense

[00:50:25] because at the time all the Goosebumps fan base would have been kids

[00:50:28] and they wouldn't have been able to be the ones, you know,

[00:50:33] kind of spearheading that opportunity to go and do things like that.

[00:50:37] And conventions for kids is not really like a thing.

[00:50:39] But for vampire series is especially adult series.

[00:50:41] That would have made sense that there would have been a fan base

[00:50:43] to do it right then, whereas now we're all we're all grown up.

[00:50:46] So now all the Goosebumps fan bases is older.

[00:50:50] So I guess it's just like it's a delayed process.

[00:50:53] But yeah, it's crazy to see.

[00:50:56] It's so crazy to see like how many

[00:50:59] like how many YouTube like not channels, but like videos

[00:51:02] are made about the haunted mask and like where are they now

[00:51:06] and what and dissecting the episode and whatnot.

[00:51:09] And it's sometimes I'll go on YouTube and I'll comment on them.

[00:51:12] If I see them come across or

[00:51:15] and then they're like, oh, my gosh.

[00:51:17] It's like, yeah, great job, guys are doing great work. Yeah.

[00:51:20] It's really cool.

[00:51:21] That's a little like finally celebrating all the fun stuff

[00:51:25] that we had back as kids.

[00:51:27] So, yeah, it's always good.

[00:51:29] Why I feel like a lot of the guests decide to come on,

[00:51:32] to be honest, like all the ones we've had is just like,

[00:51:35] oh, you want to talk about Goosebumps?

[00:51:36] Heck, yeah. Like Eugene Lepinsky.

[00:51:39] He's been in Superman, too.

[00:51:40] He's been in Indiana Jones and a bunch of other stuff.

[00:51:43] But the moment I was able to reach out to him.

[00:51:46] Yeah, he was in Star Wars.

[00:51:47] I didn't know that either as a as a character.

[00:51:49] But soon as I asked about Goosebumps, man, he was like, oh, yes.

[00:51:53] He's like, I loved my time on Goosebumps.

[00:51:54] He's like, I will totally do this.

[00:51:56] And he was such a delight to talk to.

[00:51:59] So it's been everybody we've had.

[00:52:01] Yeah, there was like so many fun series back then.

[00:52:03] Like it was like Goosebumps, like Are You Afraid of the Dark?

[00:52:07] Like and a lot of those were shot in Canada and had a pretty big following.

[00:52:10] And I think there's more of like a cult following now because like we're all older,

[00:52:14] like I said, so.

[00:52:16] But yeah, for the most part, we all kind of circulated

[00:52:18] in the same series to like all of us younger actors in that generation up in

[00:52:23] up in Toronto.

[00:52:25] We would see each other a lot like we were on a lot of the same shows

[00:52:28] and and seeing each other.

[00:52:29] And and so, yeah, I think we all have fairly good memories of those shows.

[00:52:35] They were they were like a staple on TV back then

[00:52:39] before we had Netflix and, you know, crime.

[00:52:41] And you actually watched cable television and you rushed home

[00:52:43] to watch your favorite shows and record them and stuff like that.

[00:52:47] It's so different now.

[00:52:47] But yeah, no, I have great memories of filming the show.

[00:52:50] It was super fun.

[00:52:52] And I know you wanted to talk about The Haunted Mask 2.

[00:52:54] Yes. So The Haunted Mask 2 came out in 96.

[00:52:59] So it was just about a year after the first one came out.

[00:53:02] And everybody returned with the exception of Steve's Steve's actor.

[00:53:07] He was played in the sequel by John White and John White was in,

[00:53:13] I believe he was in.

[00:53:15] Yes, he was.

[00:53:15] He was in Kugelklock and Doom, which is actually funny enough.

[00:53:18] That was the second episode to come after Haunted Mask 1.

[00:53:22] So he plays Steve and Steve is the main character in the sequel.

[00:53:27] He's the one who gets the new old man mask.

[00:53:30] And he not only becomes evil, but he also becomes old,

[00:53:34] which is pretty, pretty scary concept is when you're a kid

[00:53:37] and all of a sudden you're aging rapidly to a point

[00:53:41] where you just as like you can't even stand on your own two feet.

[00:53:46] And this one is definitely, you know, we talked about

[00:53:50] all the nuance and the amazing subtlety in the first one.

[00:53:54] And this one is more of a traditional goosebumps story.

[00:53:58] You have sort of the creepy, spooky elements in it.

[00:54:04] You have the gross out stuff like you got like spiders crawling

[00:54:07] in his hair and stuff like that.

[00:54:09] And then you also have the original haunted mask

[00:54:14] who takes over the shopkeeper and he's kind of like the main villain.

[00:54:19] So he's just kind of like walking around being like,

[00:54:22] I have to find Carly Beth.

[00:54:23] I have to destroy the the symbol of love.

[00:54:27] And and then you got Carly Beth and Sabrina and Chuck.

[00:54:33] And they're sort of running around looking for Steve,

[00:54:36] because Steve's being a little rascal.

[00:54:40] So they are kind of like the

[00:54:42] Carly Beth in the sequel is not as prominent.

[00:54:46] But one thing I really like that they do is they establish right away

[00:54:51] that things did change after the first Halloween.

[00:54:55] And she's more confident in herself.

[00:54:57] She's not as scared anymore.

[00:54:58] And she's actually like easily able to like outwit Chuck and Steve

[00:55:04] like now, like they can't even like get the jump on her anymore,

[00:55:08] which is really cool.

[00:55:09] It makes you feel really good for that character

[00:55:11] because she's finally like at peace with herself.

[00:55:15] But then, of course, when the when the mask makes itself

[00:55:18] present again, all of a sudden, there's it's a race to kind of stop

[00:55:22] whatever it's doing.

[00:55:24] But but that sequel really kind of showed how well

[00:55:28] you all four of you like worked together

[00:55:32] because all of you guys were more like together in that episode.

[00:55:36] And you said before that it was great working with all of them.

[00:55:41] Yeah, it was super fun.

[00:55:42] And we were all a little older at that point.

[00:55:44] And we'd also like we'd also seen

[00:55:48] like the craziness of what Goosebumps was when it came out.

[00:55:52] So I think by the time we got to the haunted mask, too, we were like,

[00:55:55] we were like, hey, how's it going, everybody?

[00:55:57] You ready to do the sequel? Yeah.

[00:55:59] So I'm like, we were we're a little older and, you know,

[00:56:02] kind of like almost teenagers. And

[00:56:07] I so bad, I honestly remember very little about

[00:56:10] shooting that whole that whole episode,

[00:56:13] mostly because I wasn't as prominent.

[00:56:15] So I think like I there just not as much that sticks out to me in my mind.

[00:56:20] And I was really busy with other stuff at that time.

[00:56:22] I remember we had to squeeze filming that in between other stuff I was doing.

[00:56:26] So it was like running to set, showing up and then, OK, bye.

[00:56:29] I got to go somewhere else.

[00:56:31] It was like I was really booked really tightly,

[00:56:34] I think, for that for that time when we were shooting it.

[00:56:37] But it was super fun to see everyone.

[00:56:38] And we'd all matured a little bit.

[00:56:40] And so there was like more shenanigans on set and more and more jokes.

[00:56:43] And we were all a little bit older.

[00:56:46] And I do remember that

[00:56:49] like my hair had started going darker at that point

[00:56:52] because I was like a total toe head when I was little.

[00:56:54] And so they like demanded that I go back to being blonde for the episode.

[00:56:58] So I remember that I did have to go and get my hair done

[00:57:01] for that episode to make it super blonde again, to stay in the Carly Bath range.

[00:57:06] And then after that, I was like, I'm done with this.

[00:57:07] I'm going back to Brown.

[00:57:08] So like just for that episode, I stayed blonde.

[00:57:14] Yeah, so that's I have very few memories of that episode, though,

[00:57:17] unfortunately, you guys would have to bring stuff up to like tweak my memory.

[00:57:20] Yeah, no, it's funny you mentioned about your hair because like

[00:57:24] my sister was obsessed with goosebumps as well.

[00:57:26] And, you know, being a girl, she was even like,

[00:57:28] her hair color is different in this one.

[00:57:31] And she she pointed that out, like it looks a little bit more

[00:57:34] blonder than it was in the first like.

[00:57:35] And she just picks up on the little girly things.

[00:57:37] And I was just like, oh, OK.

[00:57:40] Yeah, we made sure I was super blonde for that episode.

[00:57:45] Yeah, I was kind of like, I am.

[00:57:47] I don't know. Never caught that.

[00:57:50] Yeah, I like it.

[00:57:52] It's a girl's thing.

[00:57:53] My sister noticed straight away.

[00:57:55] She was like, oh, I like that color.

[00:57:57] It looks a little like she just pointed out all the things

[00:57:59] that she loved about it and I was like, oh, there you go.

[00:58:02] So there's something in there for everyone, you know.

[00:58:04] And but for me, I was like as blonde as the frickin shit costume.

[00:58:08] Like I was just like a big yellow fluffy blob in the one thing.

[00:58:13] You found the love for it in this one.

[00:58:14] You found a love for the duck costume now, like you did.

[00:58:17] On the first one, but in this one, you know.

[00:58:19] Give me the duck costume.

[00:58:21] When I saw that duck costume was back, I was like,

[00:58:22] you've got to be kidding me.

[00:58:24] I'm going to wear this.

[00:58:25] Although it was really warm, which was nice

[00:58:27] because it was cold shooting outside.

[00:58:30] So I was grateful that I was warm the whole time.

[00:58:32] So that was good. Yeah.

[00:58:33] Yeah, that's awesome.

[00:58:35] Like I said, so Steve's more the prominent character.

[00:58:38] And for those of you at home, if you've watched our interview

[00:58:41] with Amos, we did talk more about the Haunted Mass 2 in that episode

[00:58:46] because Chuck and Steve are definitely more in that one.

[00:58:49] They're sort of they're sort of like the main characters of this one.

[00:58:54] And like Carbeth and Sabrina are more like the side characters.

[00:58:59] But this one follows Steve and his motivations are a little more like

[00:59:03] I wouldn't say sinister, but it's definitely he's just kind of being

[00:59:06] a little being himself.

[00:59:08] He's like, I just want to be scary just for the heck of it.

[00:59:10] There's no reason at all.

[00:59:11] There's no deep, subtle nuances inside him.

[00:59:16] But this one definitely goes harder on the sort of spooky Halloween feel.

[00:59:21] I love the graveyard scene in this one

[00:59:24] because you got like the wolves howling and like the

[00:59:27] the clock chiming like ding, ding.

[00:59:31] And then you have Scott Wickware, who we also interviewed.

[00:59:34] And he is the person who does the voice of the of the mask in this one.

[00:59:39] When he's taking over the shopkeeper and he's just like

[00:59:43] he's got this big dark robe on is like with this hood

[00:59:46] and you just see the mask talking.

[00:59:48] And actually, one thing I wanted to bring up is that

[00:59:51] one thing he mentioned was that the mask had very little.

[00:59:55] It was hard to like actually move the mouth with the mask.

[01:00:00] In the first episode, the mouth doesn't really move a whole lot

[01:00:04] unless you're like really opening your mouth

[01:00:07] and like really stretching your face out.

[01:00:10] So in this one, he wanted to make it look like the mask itself was talking.

[01:00:16] So he had to like

[01:00:18] he had to like really stretch it out and then like do it in ADR, I think he said.

[01:00:24] But I mean, it works because it looks like the mask itself is alive.

[01:00:30] But yeah, I mean, it's it's basically a bunch of little vignettes.

[01:00:35] And then but what I like the most about it is because I think this was

[01:00:39] the only episode that actually had a continuation that had all the original actors

[01:00:44] because even in the show, when they did a sequel,

[01:00:47] it usually had a completely different cast.

[01:00:51] But this one had everybody returning and the ending of this one

[01:00:56] after they defeat the mask and Steve gets the mask off,

[01:00:59] they are just sitting around the fireplace and they're by themselves

[01:01:05] and they just pull the mask out.

[01:01:07] They're just like, like, are you ready?

[01:01:09] And they're like, yep.

[01:01:11] And they put both masks in fire and they just there's that shot

[01:01:14] of all four of them just watching the mask burn in the fire.

[01:01:18] And there's something like very like conclusive about that.

[01:01:21] It's like all four of these like friends just kind of like

[01:01:24] put that all behind them now,

[01:01:27] even though they do the thing where the the original mask, like

[01:01:30] kind of like comes back.

[01:01:32] But then the dog just grabs it and buries it and it's like, oh,

[01:01:36] oh, well, back where we started.

[01:01:38] I have zero recollection of any of this.

[01:01:41] This is like you guys are pulling my brain all the way back into an archive.

[01:01:48] I have to like I have to YouTube this while we're on this thing.

[01:01:52] While we're doing this, I'm totally

[01:01:55] because I know if I see all this stuff, it's going to bring back.

[01:01:59] It's going to bring back all these memories if I look at it.

[01:02:02] And it was interesting, too, because

[01:02:05] John White did an incredible job because he also does

[01:02:10] I believe they also had him do sort of his own like scary voice.

[01:02:14] His was definitely more like raspy and like

[01:02:18] because it was an old an old man.

[01:02:19] So it was like more like this.

[01:02:21] And it's like, you know, like

[01:02:24] it's not more weak in certain parts.

[01:02:27] And as we said, this one was the original was more of like

[01:02:31] just kind of the inner and like the the dark thoughts.

[01:02:34] Or this one is definitely more the physical transformation

[01:02:39] because he's kind of just like slowly getting weaker and weaker.

[01:02:43] And the mask is like, if you don't do it, I say I will make you worse.

[01:02:47] Like you you will.

[01:02:49] He essentially says you'll wish you were dead.

[01:02:52] And that's that's pretty much it.

[01:02:54] Terrifying.

[01:02:55] That's what was interesting about this episode compared to the first one,

[01:02:58] because you had multiple stories going at the same time.

[01:03:01] Well, really, it was just the main focus on Carly Beth in the first one,

[01:03:05] because you had the Haunted Mask played by Scott Wakewear

[01:03:09] trying to get Carly Beth back.

[01:03:13] Then you had Steve's story and his struggle

[01:03:17] with obviously with the mask turning a mold.

[01:03:19] Then you had Carly Beth leading the charge of Sabrina and Chuck

[01:03:25] trying to find Steve and defeat the Haunted Mask.

[01:03:27] So you really got all three stories in this one episode,

[01:03:31] which all culminated in the end, which was great because,

[01:03:35] you know, again, that graveyard scene was awesome.

[01:03:38] I mean, honestly, the graveyard scene in the first one was really epic, too.

[01:03:40] I mean, both of them, because even the first one where she found

[01:03:43] Chuck and Steve in the graveyard in the first one, I mean,

[01:03:45] that was such a memorable performance

[01:03:48] for a lot of people just based on

[01:03:51] the guy who played Steve, which I think again was George Davies.

[01:03:56] He was like wanting to know what they needed to apologize to Carly Beth for.

[01:04:02] And then she just screams back, you know, for what?

[01:04:05] Yeah, it's like it's almost so it was like,

[01:04:08] you don't know what you're doing to me.

[01:04:09] It's like, ah, so I mean, it was like a very, very intense moment.

[01:04:15] But then to see that kind of jump into this one,

[01:04:17] because now Carly Beth is super scared of the mask and rightfully so.

[01:04:22] Scott Whitware played a scary haunted mask,

[01:04:26] so that shopkeeper,

[01:04:28] especially the lighting in the graveyard and the fog

[01:04:31] and everything they had set up.

[01:04:32] And like you said, the chiming of the bell

[01:04:35] and me like I like that they made Chuck and Steve

[01:04:40] like the main characters in this one because they were able to actually

[01:04:42] kind of give a little more personality to them,

[01:04:45] because in the first one, they're just bullies.

[01:04:47] They're just like they just do one thing and that's kind of it.

[01:04:51] And this one you have like Steve, who's kind of like

[01:04:54] like the more smart Alec, he's kind of like the one who's just like,

[01:04:58] whatever he's like.

[01:05:00] And then Chuck's kind of like the more slower sort of like.

[01:05:04] But he's also like a little nicer because he's kind of the one who's

[01:05:08] like, you know, Chuck, you're like, oh, no, Steve,

[01:05:11] you're just kind of being like a jerk.

[01:05:13] Like you're not even like being fun.

[01:05:15] You're just a jerk.

[01:05:16] But Steve's like, I don't care.

[01:05:18] I'm going to do what I want.

[01:05:19] I'm going to I'm going to go scare everybody.

[01:05:21] I'm going to take kids candy away.

[01:05:24] And he's just kind of like, dude, like,

[01:05:26] I don't really want to be around you if you're going to act like this.

[01:05:28] So they kind of like flesh them out a little more

[01:05:30] instead of just kind of being like, like, you know,

[01:05:33] stereotypical bullies in a sense.

[01:05:36] But I just like I said, this one,

[01:05:40] it's definitely more of the the goose bumpy, campy, horror side of things.

[01:05:46] But it works. It's a good continuation.

[01:05:49] And I think both make for a really good pairing to watch on Halloween.

[01:05:55] Just watch them like do a double feature back to back.

[01:06:00] You'll have to remind me again, what was the name of the shopkeeper

[01:06:02] who played the shopkeeper?

[01:06:03] I think he was just called shopkeeper.

[01:06:05] His real name was Colin Fox, but they didn't give him a name.

[01:06:09] Yeah, that's right.

[01:06:11] Oh, yeah. The Fox, he was such a nice guy.

[01:06:14] Like I'm just I'm looking at the ending of the episode right now

[01:06:16] in the graveyard scene.

[01:06:17] And yeah, Colin Fox was like so great.

[01:06:20] I forgot that he plays he has the haunted mask in this one.

[01:06:24] Yeah. And that like there's that moment where he's like trying to attack me

[01:06:28] and then I move and then he attacks

[01:06:32] the other mask and then it comes off.

[01:06:34] Yeah. And then oh, yeah.

[01:06:35] And then here we are by the fire.

[01:06:39] Yeah, because it has a really crazy shot of like all four of you

[01:06:43] just kind of looking at the fire as the masks just burn.

[01:06:47] And it's really good.

[01:06:49] It's a really like nice way to end the episode.

[01:06:53] Especially this is so crazy, though, like as I'm watching this,

[01:06:56] while you guys are talking, I had zero recollection of filming any of this.

[01:07:00] Zero recollection in my mind again, it's probably just because,

[01:07:04] well, you know, you were not as prevalent in this one.

[01:07:08] And there wasn't really as many like

[01:07:11] there aren't really as many like iconic scenes per se in this one.

[01:07:15] Or like the first one, there's like there's the worm scene.

[01:07:18] There's the, you know, like the scene in the getting the mask.

[01:07:23] And then there's the scene where it's like the mask won't come off.

[01:07:25] It's like there's there's moments that you could remember.

[01:07:30] Whereas the second one, it's fun, but it doesn't have a lot of those

[01:07:33] like, like, oh, I remember that sort of moment, you know?

[01:07:38] Yeah. In my personal opinion, at least.

[01:07:40] But they're both good.

[01:07:41] Well, it kind of goes back to like when we had Cal Dodd who voiced Slappy,

[01:07:44] you know, he didn't really remember voicing Slappy, even though he did it for

[01:07:49] four episodes total.

[01:07:51] Because he just wasn't on set.

[01:07:54] He said it was so long ago.

[01:07:56] He's like, I just read my lines.

[01:07:57] I was gone kind of a deal.

[01:07:59] So I was kind of a similar thing.

[01:08:02] He wasn't as prevalent.

[01:08:03] And same with Ian Clark, who played in Welcome to Dead House.

[01:08:06] He said something similar, you know, he only had a few scenes

[01:08:10] in the episode.

[01:08:11] I'm going to show the Simpsons nerd side for a second,

[01:08:14] because when you said that he just like showed up into his lines

[01:08:16] and made me remember of the scene of Krusty,

[01:08:19] it's like, all right, let's get this over with.

[01:08:21] Hey, hey, kids, I'm talking Krusty line two.

[01:08:23] Here comes sideshow Mel three.

[01:08:26] We're done.

[01:08:26] Bada bing, bada boom.

[01:08:27] We're in from the mattress kid.

[01:08:29] And he's like, all right.

[01:08:30] All right. Krusty, we're ready to go.

[01:08:33] The mask regenerates itself at the end, though.

[01:08:36] Mm hmm. Yeah.

[01:08:37] So one of us three, it will not like all.

[01:08:40] Yeah. Like now your husband's premise totally works.

[01:08:46] Let's start to go find me a petition for the whole one of us three.

[01:08:49] Like and we get back to the original task.

[01:08:50] Let's do it like why not?

[01:08:53] The dog did bury it.

[01:08:54] So there'd have to be a whole scene where someone digs it up by accident

[01:08:57] and then it's brought back to life like, you know, some relic from to

[01:09:01] like from like Tomb Raider or something.

[01:09:03] I would love like we had like already.

[01:09:06] So so yeah.

[01:09:07] So Carly Beth buried the haunted mask.

[01:09:10] At the end of the last episode, but we didn't know what she did

[01:09:13] with it technically until Haunted Mask 2.

[01:09:16] Said she buried it in the graveyard and then Halloween brought it back.

[01:09:19] Well, it's kind of funny.

[01:09:19] So the mask kind of got it back, I guess.

[01:09:23] There's a scene where she like first comes out in the duck costume

[01:09:27] and then her brother comes out and it's really he's wearing like a bee costume.

[01:09:32] And he's like, what's that mask?

[01:09:33] And it's like, I want to wear it again.

[01:09:35] They're like, I thought you got rid of that mask.

[01:09:37] And it's funny to think back to the ending of the first one

[01:09:40] where it's like it's like a really like like creepy, like, oh, wow moment

[01:09:44] because the brothers got the mask on.

[01:09:46] And then you get to the sequel was like, oh, everything turned out fine.

[01:09:49] Like, all right.

[01:09:51] He only put it on once there, remember?

[01:09:53] You only put it on once.

[01:09:55] You put it on three times.

[01:09:56] So he was he was safe.

[01:09:58] She was probably like, take it off now.

[01:10:00] And then, yeah, it was all good.

[01:10:02] Yeah, he didn't put it on.

[01:10:04] The boy that played my brother, his real name in life was Noah,

[01:10:08] which is funny because my real my real brother's name is Noah as well.

[01:10:11] So there was like a whole like bunch of funny coincidences like that on the set.

[01:10:16] Yeah, I just love when he shows up in the first episode.

[01:10:19] She opened the door and he's there with the duck costume

[01:10:22] and he's just like quack, quack, quack, quack.

[01:10:26] Yeah, there's so many there's so many random, random,

[01:10:29] funny things in that episode.

[01:10:31] And I really like the woman who played my mom.

[01:10:33] She was super nice.

[01:10:34] I remember she was really sweet to work with.

[01:10:38] Yeah, there was like that whole first.

[01:10:40] I know we're talking about the second episode, but yeah, I mean,

[01:10:44] I both both sets were great to work on.

[01:10:46] And I was I was kind of laughing as I was watching excerpts

[01:10:49] from the second one because you can tell we're like a little older

[01:10:52] with how we're like we're we're interacting with each other

[01:10:55] because we were so much younger in the first one,

[01:10:58] even though it's only like a year and a half, it's still like

[01:11:01] between 12 and 13 and a half is a pretty big difference

[01:11:03] because you're going into high school and especially just the

[01:11:07] the girl guy dynamics can be a little different.

[01:11:10] So it's funny just watching us.

[01:11:13] But in the first one, like the whole crew and everyone on set

[01:11:16] was so amazing, like I forget the name of this costume.

[01:11:20] It was a person in wardrobe

[01:11:23] and like we were working long nights, like I said,

[01:11:26] and there was a person in wardrobe.

[01:11:27] She was so nice.

[01:11:28] I think she was like Scottish or Irish or something.

[01:11:31] She had a thick accent and

[01:11:34] and she would just like sit and give me hand massages,

[01:11:36] like between takes, like on the nights when we were shooting

[01:11:39] really long nights and I was like running back and forth

[01:11:42] and stuff and doing lots of stuff.

[01:11:43] Just the whole crew was so great.

[01:11:45] I think there's still a photo of me on the last day

[01:11:49] in my overalls because I was always in those overalls.

[01:11:53] There's a photo of me with like the whole crew

[01:11:54] and we're like posing and I think it's still on my parents'

[01:11:57] bridge in their house.

[01:11:59] But it's like me and the whole crew on the last day

[01:12:02] when they wrapped me.

[01:12:04] And yeah, and I had just gotten out of the mask.

[01:12:06] So my hair was like crazy and

[01:12:09] and I was like posing with everyone.

[01:12:11] And you wonder where they all are now

[01:12:13] because they were all pretty much our age, right?

[01:12:15] So they would be in their 60s now potentially,

[01:12:18] you know, or even older.

[01:12:19] So it's so crazy to think of how long ago that was.

[01:12:24] Yeah, it was a really great, really great crew.

[01:12:26] I remember, I think R.L.

[01:12:29] Stein always posts the picture of when you were in makeup

[01:12:32] and you had the mask on and it was you and R.L.

[01:12:35] Stein and then you were just kind of doing like the like

[01:12:38] the monster like, like that.

[01:12:39] Oh, yeah.

[01:12:41] I thought it was so cool to meet him in person

[01:12:43] because I think that was the real highlight for me

[01:12:45] because as a kid reading the books and being like,

[01:12:48] oh my gosh, R.L.

[01:12:48] Stein's here. It was like it was like meeting

[01:12:51] Stephen King as a kid, right?

[01:12:52] It was like the Stephen King of like of of books.

[01:12:55] And so when he and he has a very stoic personality,

[01:12:59] like he's very he doesn't talk a lot.

[01:13:02] And he has like he has a certain like way about him

[01:13:06] when he walks around.

[01:13:07] And and so I remember just meeting him and I was like,

[01:13:11] oh, hello. Nice to meet you.

[01:13:12] Shaking his hand and being like, you know,

[01:13:14] it's like it was really it was really fun

[01:13:17] that they brought him on set for everything.

[01:13:18] So no, it was always great.

[01:13:20] I mean, it's always great when he for those specials,

[01:13:23] he would do like the opening and the and the closing.

[01:13:26] So he would come in and be like, oh, I'm R.L.

[01:13:28] Stein. Here's the show.

[01:13:30] Here's the story for today's show.

[01:13:31] And they would only do it for these like prime time

[01:13:34] episodes that you do and then like Tara Tower,

[01:13:38] which Catherine Short was in

[01:13:41] and a bunch of others.

[01:13:42] But it was always fun when he would come on

[01:13:44] because it was like, oh, this is like

[01:13:45] this is like a special episode.

[01:13:47] Like R.L. Stein's got to come out and introduce this.

[01:13:50] So that was always.

[01:13:51] But he always he's very funny.

[01:13:53] He always introduced it like a creepy Mr.

[01:13:55] Rogers, though, because he wouldn't smile.

[01:13:57] And then right at the end, he'd be like,

[01:14:00] yeah, you'd be like,

[01:14:03] no, we're not.

[01:14:04] What is that?

[01:14:05] I love the kid you're watching.

[01:14:06] And you're like, look, he smiled,

[01:14:07] but he didn't really smile.

[01:14:08] It's so weird.

[01:14:10] It is weird. Yeah.

[01:14:11] I love that.

[01:14:12] And he was doing Mr.

[01:14:13] Rogers when he was doing.

[01:14:15] Yeah.

[01:14:16] I never heard anybody talking about that.

[01:14:17] But that is like that is.

[01:14:19] That was that is like I see that in my head

[01:14:21] and I'm like, that is totally what it is.

[01:14:24] Yeah.

[01:14:25] I know he did a good job, though.

[01:14:26] He definitely he knew his persona well.

[01:14:29] He represented well.

[01:14:30] Yeah.

[01:14:31] He had a real aura.

[01:14:33] He has a specific aura about him that's very unique.

[01:14:36] And I remember reading an old like news article from the 90s

[01:14:40] and they used to say how like

[01:14:41] the strange and creepy world of Goosebumps

[01:14:44] and also the strange and creepy world of R.L.

[01:14:46] Stein himself, because he

[01:14:48] they just thought he was such a unique guy.

[01:14:50] He's pretty straight like how he would get into work and.

[01:14:53] Yeah, like he was just he was just like, yeah,

[01:14:56] he had like an aura about him.

[01:14:57] And hey, to this day, they they always dubbed him

[01:15:00] the Stephen King of children's literature.

[01:15:01] So that's that's like his title.

[01:15:03] Well, that was essentially even any knows it.

[01:15:05] Yeah, he's the type of guy you'd never want to like meet

[01:15:09] in the grocery mart on a Sunday in his pajamas

[01:15:11] because it would just ruin it for you.

[01:15:12] Do you know what I mean?

[01:15:12] Like you just never want to run into him in real life

[01:15:15] because it would ruin the whole like facade.

[01:15:17] And so I wonder whether he feels he has to like, you know,

[01:15:20] he goes home and becomes the guy that cooks his own food

[01:15:22] and does his laundry.

[01:15:23] And then when he says he leaves the house, it's like,

[01:15:25] I know I'm R.L. Stein.

[01:15:26] Yeah, it's like it's like a persona he puts on.

[01:15:29] Yeah, he has a very dry, sarcastic sense of humor to him.

[01:15:33] Yeah, very much so.

[01:15:34] It's it's like maybe it's funny to him.

[01:15:37] It's like the material is not funny,

[01:15:39] but something about the way he says it makes it funny.

[01:15:42] If that makes any sense.

[01:15:43] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:15:44] Well, he definitely stayed in.

[01:15:45] He definitely stayed in character for us on set when he was around us.

[01:15:49] And he like humanized himself a little bit,

[01:15:52] but still very much was the R.L. Stein guy.

[01:15:55] So we were we were all very in awe when he was on set.

[01:15:58] I can imagine that was super fun.

[01:16:01] Well, we're getting close to the end of the time here.

[01:16:03] But I just have one more question to ask because

[01:16:06] this episode aired in 1995 and next year

[01:16:09] it'll be 30 years since that episode premiered.

[01:16:12] Right.

[01:16:13] Just not to make you feel older, but

[01:16:18] it's been around for a while.

[01:16:20] I mean, Goosebumps itself has been around since 1992.

[01:16:24] And this franchise is still going strong.

[01:16:26] Like we like we said, there is the books.

[01:16:28] The books are still going on.

[01:16:29] There are still brand new books coming out.

[01:16:32] There is two TV shows now, two movies and a ton of other things.

[01:16:38] And I'm curious, like what are what are

[01:16:41] what is your retrospective all these years later on being a part of all that?

[01:16:45] And the the sort of like knowing what it is now.

[01:16:48] In retrospect, I don't know, I shouldn't have signed my buyout.

[01:16:52] I should have gone for royalties instead.

[01:16:53] I don't know.

[01:16:55] No, I'm kidding.

[01:16:56] I'm totally kidding.

[01:16:57] I'm kidding.

[01:16:59] But no, I mean, I think it's great.

[01:17:00] I think it's great.

[01:17:02] You know, it's it's like any other franchise

[01:17:05] like Harry Potter or, you know, whatnot.

[01:17:08] I think they saw a winner and, you know, it did really well.

[01:17:12] And so there's a way to always.

[01:17:15] Bring that winner back and reinvent it.

[01:17:17] And I think just the the gains they've made,

[01:17:21] like we already talked about the gains they've made in

[01:17:24] in special effects and whatnot, just play so well into a series like this.

[01:17:28] And and they brought in some really cool cast members for the movies.

[01:17:31] And like you said, making it fun for the kids.

[01:17:34] And reintroducing it really to a new generation, because our generation now,

[01:17:38] I mean, we're old as world is F.

[01:17:40] So, I mean, the new generation really had no would have no clue what goosebumps is.

[01:17:45] So every 15 to 20 years, you know, even less 10, 15 years,

[01:17:49] you're able to really recycle winners like that

[01:17:53] and introduce them to the kids of those kids and then the kids of those kids.

[01:17:56] So I think it'll always be a winner.

[01:17:58] This material never really fails.

[01:18:00] So it just has to be done right with good storylines.

[01:18:03] And of course, people like, you know, people like you who are hardcore fans,

[01:18:07] you're going to be super skeptical and critical of like, is it to the books?

[01:18:11] Like you're the purists. Right.

[01:18:12] And so there's only so many books, so they have to like

[01:18:15] make up new material at a certain point.

[01:18:17] But hopefully they'll keep doing a good job.

[01:18:19] But but yeah, we'll see.

[01:18:22] I'm sure I'm sure they'll still be successful

[01:18:24] doing it even another 20 years from now if they want to keep reinventing it.

[01:18:28] So there's there's movies that we love from like, you know, the 50s.

[01:18:31] They're still reinventing now.

[01:18:33] So you can you can you can milk that for a long time and have good results.

[01:18:37] So absolutely. No, yeah.

[01:18:39] I have a I have a 14 year old daughter

[01:18:41] and I've definitely tried to pass this along to her as well.

[01:18:46] You know, she was a big fan.

[01:18:47] That's what got her into horror.

[01:18:48] You know, we always talk about goosebumps being that gateway drug

[01:18:51] for children to go into other horror nowadays.

[01:18:54] So it's basically that a lot of people that are in the horror genre.

[01:18:59] Oh, my goodness. Goosebumps is something.

[01:19:02] And that's what it goes back to what you said, though.

[01:19:04] You know, what we talked about earlier, it's.

[01:19:06] Us who grew up on it because I was 10 when the show came out.

[01:19:10] So it's us who grew up on it now getting to appreciate it more,

[01:19:16] getting these deep dives like more retrospective

[01:19:19] on it than we did when we were kids,

[01:19:21] because everything we've talked about, I never thought about any of this

[01:19:24] as deep as, you know, we all did, you know, back then I was Chuck.

[01:19:28] The waiting pool was too deep for me.

[01:19:30] So, yeah, emotionally, so I didn't take any of that.

[01:19:33] So it's it's very, very interesting to see how it's reflected today,

[01:19:39] who it's affected today and to see that the fandom is still there

[01:19:42] and that they want like

[01:19:45] all these things to happen greatly for goosebumps.

[01:19:48] And it's it's kind of nice.

[01:19:49] I mean, I never thought like back in the 90s,

[01:19:53] especially because goosebumps faded after, I don't know, about 98, 99.

[01:19:57] It kind of faded out.

[01:19:58] Harry Potter came in. Right.

[01:20:00] So I kind of pushed it out.

[01:20:02] Crazy how close that all was together, too.

[01:20:05] Yes. Yeah, it was.

[01:20:07] I thought Goosebumps was going to die, but thankfully it just doesn't.

[01:20:11] It just it lives on and you got a franchise.

[01:20:14] Yeah. And then it just grew good again forever.

[01:20:17] Even if the even if there was no more Goosebumps media,

[01:20:21] I feel like it would still live on in some way.

[01:20:25] Oh, it's 100 percent.

[01:20:27] It's Goosebumps is my life.

[01:20:29] Like I don't know what I'd be doing or where I would be

[01:20:34] if I didn't have goosebumps.

[01:20:36] It's like institutionalized to the franchise somehow.

[01:20:39] You know how like they say, you know, if you're working a job

[01:20:42] like nine to five or something and let's say someone's been working

[01:20:45] that same job 30, 40 years, you take that job away from them.

[01:20:48] They wouldn't know what to do.

[01:20:49] Like they would die. You know what I mean?

[01:20:51] Like that'd be me if you took goosebumps away.

[01:20:52] You may as well sign my certificate.

[01:20:55] Like, you know what I mean?

[01:20:56] Like Goosebumps is everything, you know, to me, to Nick, to Isaiah.

[01:21:01] Like we live and breathe for this franchise.

[01:21:04] Like I've been collecting it for 20 something years.

[01:21:06] People keep telling me to go in the Guinness Book of Records.

[01:21:08] And I'm like, I,

[01:21:10] I don't even know how to do that, but OK, maybe one day.

[01:21:13] So, yeah, no, it's just he does.

[01:21:15] He easily has the biggest collection in the world of Goosebumps stuff.

[01:21:19] It's pretty wild. Oh, so crazy.

[01:21:21] Well, I think, you know, it's really great that people have latched onto it.

[01:21:24] And like, I think it's great when people have things they love

[01:21:26] and have like collector's editions of everything

[01:21:29] and they have something they're so passionate about,

[01:21:31] because people can do that with art.

[01:21:32] They can do it with shows.

[01:21:34] They can do it with coins or stamps or anything.

[01:21:37] But whatever you pick that you love, that's great.

[01:21:40] And our generation was so young when the show came out.

[01:21:42] So now we're all of the age where we can monetize our hobbies

[01:21:45] and and really make them, you know, full time if we want.

[01:21:48] So curious to see if when we get together in Chicago,

[01:21:52] all of our generation who are now adults being able to have fun

[01:21:56] and, you know, celebrate that era of of of TV making

[01:22:03] now finally as adults, because we wouldn't have been able to do it

[01:22:05] as kids back then.

[01:22:07] There wouldn't have been an outlet for it to get together like that.

[01:22:10] Whereas now we can fly ourselves over, we want and get together

[01:22:13] and have conventions and do stuff.

[01:22:14] So, yeah, it should be fun seeing everyone.

[01:22:16] I hope I hope you're able to get as many of the cast together.

[01:22:19] That'd be the first time we'd ever all seen each other.

[01:22:22] Like I said, we never had any conventions or Comic Cons for Goosebumps.

[01:22:25] It was not a thing.

[01:22:26] I did them for so many other shows that I was on,

[01:22:29] but never did it for Goosebumps.

[01:22:31] So it could be fun if we got everyone all together,

[01:22:34] if they were all interested.

[01:22:35] So yeah, hopefully you guys are really successful with that.

[01:22:38] You guys are going to put a lot of work into it.

[01:22:39] So I hope it goes well.

[01:22:41] Yeah, that's where we that's where we came in at.

[01:22:44] We couldn't figure out why it hadn't been done yet.

[01:22:47] Even Tim Jacobas, who we brought it to first,

[01:22:51] who's a good friend of ours now.

[01:22:53] And, you know, he was like,

[01:22:55] I've been doing art for Goosebumps all this time.

[01:22:57] I do conventions, but never have I thought

[01:23:00] why it wasn't her Goosebumps one.

[01:23:01] He's like, that's just a no brainer.

[01:23:03] Cal Dodd, his agent, he voiced slappy, like I said,

[01:23:07] but his agency even telling him, you need to start doing more

[01:23:10] horror conventions because he voices for other cartoons and things like that.

[01:23:13] He's more known for at the time.

[01:23:15] But now Goosebumps is making such a resurgence

[01:23:18] that you got to strike.

[01:23:20] He's now like how to put slappy on his table,

[01:23:22] the sign stuff and things like that.

[01:23:25] Like so it's it's definitely a want by fans.

[01:23:29] And I think that's why this will be more successful than anything else

[01:23:32] is because it's a fan event for fans by fans.

[01:23:37] Absolutely. Yeah.

[01:23:37] And I hope you guys are super successful with it.

[01:23:39] If I keep checking them to check the dates

[01:23:42] and look at my availability and hope I can make it be super fun.

[01:23:44] Awesome. Sounds great.

[01:23:47] All right. Well, that's going to do it for today's episode of the Goosebumps

[01:23:50] podcast. Catherine, thank you so much for taking time out of your day

[01:23:53] to come talk Goosebumps with us.

[01:23:56] Yeah, of course.

[01:23:56] It was fun to go down memory lane and I hope all your viewers enjoyed it.

[01:23:59] Yeah. Thanks for having me on. Absolutely.

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