So Much More Scare-able (ft. Amos Crawley)

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[00:01:03] Greetings Goosebumps fans, young and old, being in small, welcome back to The Goosebumps Crew podcast. As always, I am your host, Isaiah Vargas, also known as The Goosebumps Channel on YouTube, Twitter and Instagram and as usual, I'm joined by the rest of my

[00:01:16] Goosebumps crew, Goosebumps's Aussie fan, Bjorn Pan, like Shaolin, Nick Shaw, and the Ultimate Goosebumps fan, Mike the Lilac-List, we're back to Talksome, We're Goosebumps. Of course, we're gonna talk somewhere Goosebumps. And we're very excited today because we have

[00:01:28] another episode retrospective. We're gonna be talking about the haunted mask too, the two part of our episode that is of course a sequel to The Hone Mask 1, the very first episode

[00:01:39] of the show and of course we can't do this without some help. So here tonight to talk with us is Amos Crawley, who played Chuck Green in the haunted mask 1 and 2 Amos welcome to The Goosebumps

[00:01:51] Crew. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Evan Me. Absolutely. So of course, we're gonna be talking about the haunted mask dueology, especially the haunted mask too. And you guys are gonna wanna stick around for that but first, if you guys are not following the Goosebumps

[00:02:06] crew podcast then what the heck are you doing because if you are a Goosebumps fan then you guys are certainly gonna want to tune into this. We've had so many wonderful guests from the Goosebumps

[00:02:17] franchise including artist Tim Jocobus, Trigger Toet Studios, Chris Defero and Sam First, we've had actors from the Goosebumps 90s show including Kai Eric Erickson, Scott Wickware in Clark and of course Amos Crawley. And many other wonderful guests that we've been able to talk to and

[00:02:36] weren't so much about. So if you guys love Goosebumps and you are a Goosebumps fan make sure you follow the Goosebumps crew podcast on YouTube, Spotify and Apple Podcast wherever you can find podcasts.

[00:02:47] In terms of news from the Goosebumps world this week there has been an announcement that the next classic Goosebumps books in that series are gonna be reprint of invasion of the body school users parts 1 and 2. Another series 2000 reprints and surprisingly they are doing the

[00:03:07] two-parter book so we're gonna get two books in October reprints of those books so very excited about that. Okay it's time to get on to the main course of tonights. We're gonna talk about some haunted mask

[00:03:21] and Amos again we're very happy to have you here tonight to talk about that episode but before we get into that why don't we hear a little bit about yourself why don't you tell us a little bit

[00:03:33] about your acting career. Gosh before I get into it I have to ask about when you had Ian Clark on was he wearing a leather jacket because I know Clarky and he has a huge collection of leather jackets

[00:03:47] and it's inappropriate for a man of his age and I just wanted to. I don't think he was but I wish he was now. I hope you hear this and if you do Clarky I love you.

[00:03:58] Yeah no I um hi thank you so much for having me I'm Amos I am an actor based in Toronto Ontario Canada and have been doing the this job for almost as long as I've been alive I started

[00:04:16] one I was like four or five years old and I continue to do it to this day and um everyone's a while you get to you end up in something that the people remember and certainly the haunted

[00:04:32] mask is one of those things and it's it's a it's a pretty exciting thing to have stumbled ass backwards into something that people actually care about. Absolutely and talking a little bit about

[00:04:45] that episode now I'm always curious personally whenever we have someone who's involved with the TV show but I guess my first question is were you had you heard of goosebumps before you got involved

[00:04:57] with the TV show? I don't know that I had actually to be perfectly honest like I knew about I knew about RL signs what was the more grown-up series clear street? Yeah I always get for your street can what was the Christopher Pike one? Spooksville.

[00:05:20] Right okay I get for your street. So I knew about that because that was like a big thing when I was in middle school right like that was like fear street was a thing but I didn't know about

[00:05:31] goosebumps because I was maybe just on the edge of being slightly too old but I do remember doing haunted mask and and and and and Bob as he called himself being on set with us and being like

[00:05:47] that's the fear street guy. Like that was like more of the exciting but I was like just young enough to not put it together but old enough to be like oh my god that's like it's not Stephen King

[00:05:58] but it's almost Stephen King. It's Stephen King light yeah yeah so yeah so I don't know that I would have known about and and you guys would probably know better than I would whether that was

[00:06:11] because the TV rights were sold so early that the books weren't out yet or like I actually don't know how simultaneous those things are. That's what I'm willing to assume because the TV

[00:06:24] series started in October 1995 and by that point it was three years and three years and three months since the first book for that even this big of a franchise as it was it is known that it

[00:06:41] took a little bit for it to kind of kick off. It actually there's an interesting story that they were originally going to stop at book six I think so it was going to be almost like one of those one and

[00:06:54] done you know do it and then never hear from it again but I feel like with the books kind of being like such a new concept you know horror for kids Stephen King for kids and coupled with this

[00:07:09] TV show I think that's what kind of got the ball rolling until it eventually reached the height of its popularity but I'm always interested because there are some people who have had heard of it

[00:07:21] and then there's some people who weren't aware of it until after the fact but that's something that always interests me personally now related to that how did you get involved with the episode.

[00:07:35] I think it would have been a pretty standard audition process you know I had been working as an actor for a number of years already and I would have gone in and auditioned for it and gone out

[00:07:55] I don't even know if there was a callback process to be perfectly honest my recollection is vaguenough that like it wouldn't have been so yeah it would just would have been an audition and then

[00:08:06] get in the chance to do it and Tim Bond who directed the first episode was somebody that I had already I worked with him a bunch I did a like a movie with him and I did a couple of other

[00:08:21] things with him so I can't remember to be perfectly honest where in the trajectory this was if was the first time we worked together I don't think it was but yeah it wouldn't have been like a

[00:08:34] particularly glamorous process would have just been your sort of average like audition and get to get to do it absolutely not sounds like how these bumps was everybody was too with said it was just

[00:08:47] such a quick go-go process yeah I think it's well it speaks back to that thing I said like you backwards into these things that people remember but you don't know what they're going to be

[00:08:59] you know like sometimes you just oh there's this new horror show okay well I have an audition for it it's funny that how you yeah mention that because like most of the people we have spoken to

[00:09:11] had no idea about who's bumps before it like kayak Eric Sim was even like I want to do a kid show like I don't really want to do this but then they came to him with the two-part of episode welcome

[00:09:20] to come out there and then he kind of looked at that went oh actually this seems a little more grown out than they've made on with originally so he was happy to do it and it's just funny yeah like

[00:09:29] most people he spoke into we've had guests didn't really know of goosebumps beforehand so I think that's really interesting yeah but I think the show is what really took it off

[00:09:39] yeah I think that you know we work in an industry where like we all pretend that we have all kinds of answers but you don't know what's going to what's going to ring a bell with somebody you

[00:09:49] know what I mean like 25 years later it's still care about this VHS that's weird because there's lots of VHS has been 25 years ago that are like in a landfill somewhere that had more money

[00:10:00] and more cloud at the time you know yeah absolutely 100%. Now before you got involved with goosebumps however you were on another similar show are you afraid of the dark and that show

[00:10:17] just like goosebumps is very well known and is a very similar concept and you were in an episode called as Nick showed there the tale the Gassie Grinner and that is universally known to be

[00:10:30] one of if not one of the best episodes certainly one of the most eerie and scary episodes of that show what was it like to work on that particular episode? I feel like the key to that

[00:10:44] episode and people have asked me about that a fair amount over the years the key to that episode is Ron Oliver who directed that episode who was a comic book guy like and I feel like when

[00:10:57] you get an actual legit comic book guy to tell that story you get to tell it in a pretty real way you know and he was like he was into it like I remember we rented out this comic book shop and we were

[00:11:13] shooting overnight and I was a comic book kid and I was a punk rock kid and like we were it was manna from heaven you know what I mean like there's a scene in that episode where the kid I'm playing

[00:11:28] has to trash his bedroom because he's pissed off about something I can't remember exactly what the details are but like I remember that that was like Ron brought in a CD player and we were

[00:11:38] going to film without sound he's like I got something for you and he played the first nine inch nails album he played pretty hate machine well I tore up the room and I was like oh yeah no this

[00:11:49] is dude gets it I guess what it's like to be a 13 year old who's like mad at everything and I suspect that that's one of the reasons that that that episode people remember it for whatever

[00:12:06] reason you know I again I don't know that it's the best or the whatever but people seem to remember it so again one of the top two of all the fans that are out there the dumbest one of the

[00:12:19] dummy oh no for gasoline your enter so tails of the gas理 your enter and tail of dead man's float which is the one the chiroch aircars and dead those are the two most popular episodes probably that are you afraid of the dark has ever produced those are like

[00:12:33] one that you ask anyone about are you afraid of the dark they'll talk about those two episodes because they're just you know so again if they're not the best they're just really iconic I mean the

[00:12:45] the grinner in and of itself is a very iconic monster in that show and really in all of children's horror because it's just such a really creepy design and just a black of a better turn

[00:13:00] gas理 concept for a villain totally absolutely absolutely and yeah that I mean that episode's so good and you're right I mean we actually got to talk to Ron Alver in our previous episode

[00:13:15] and he he talked about that episode too and yeah he just you can tell he has such a love for whatever he gets involved in and every episode we talked about he just had such a passion for what he was

[00:13:29] and it shows it shows in the final product and I love when you know a director or anybody like that can just really get into that and really put their own spin on something like that so I could totally

[00:13:42] see that did he do any goosebumps he did he directed 13 episodes of goosebumps some of the first season oh yeah yes yes yes yeah any any wrote some any I believe he actually wrote gasoline grinner as well or are you afraid the dark yeah I think that's

[00:14:02] right yep so it's always funny because people always love to talk about house similar are you afraid of the dark and goosebumps were not only because they're running at the same time

[00:14:13] but they shared a lot of the same cast and crew at times um with the fall of the funny but I think it's true that I'm telling to set yeah we had Allen to set on early in our

[00:14:28] podcast stuff and he was the prop master for for goosebumps along with Ron and Matt DeWild and stuff and he talked about how like they basically used every kid in Canada for both shows

[00:14:41] this small country like it's you know yeah but it was just a funny because I guess I are all in roughly the same area and that's why Ron would call certain kids over like if he was

[00:14:52] doing already afraid of the dark he's like I'm doing goosebumps now you won't come to be this yeah sure yeah I want to do that too if I remember correctly I think are you afraid of the

[00:15:01] dark was in Montreal and uh goosebumps was in Toronto but like even so that's like it's like a less than two hour flight like it's not it yeah but uh it's just always funny how you know

[00:15:16] people love to compare those two shows together and I mean they're not wrong I mean that they do take a lot from each other and they were running around the same time I think are

[00:15:27] your first first if I'm not mistaken yeah so yeah I was definitely the first one but you just going you can type in goosebumps first I your friend at the dark and you'll find pages and pages of

[00:15:40] videos of people like comparing the blue and it's like well goosebumps was more popular because it had the books and so much merchandise and stuff the hype surrounding it but like I am from the dark like arguably I think maybe a lot creepier like you know what more

[00:15:55] grimy I think you know it wasn't afraid to push boundaries yeah I mean I don't I don't know the metrics of it per se but I will say that there's this interesting thing of like with

[00:16:08] both of those shows that um as an adult working in this industry like you run into people who are making like legit adult horror films right like like awesome cool stuff and but their their

[00:16:28] gateway drug was one or the other of those shows mm-hmm yeah many people who are obsessed with horror will always point back to something they watch in their childhood and for a lot of 90s kids um sometimes you'll get people who say like like you know courage,

[00:16:46] carolidog or scooby-do but guaranteed a lot of people will say that the things that got them in the horror was goosebumps or are you afraid of the dark or both I mean I know that's what made

[00:16:58] what got me into into the horror genre was those two sounds yeah it was a I don't know I mean I'm the only one who did out of this group so yeah I got to experience all that first

[00:17:11] hand which was great we always like to joke that Nick is the the grandpa on our group I don't know what I'm going to tell us you know I'll be 39 this year so that's enjoy your 30s

[00:17:28] um but when it comes to goosebumps so again you were in not one episode but two two partners so technically four episodes so you got a pretty good deal but you were in the fun and mask

[00:17:46] one as a side character you play Chuck Green and in that episode you and Steve Bosswell are the bullies who kind of torment the main character Kali bath who's really scared of everything like

[00:18:01] she just he scared at almost everything and these two boys Chuck and Steve they really like to pick on her and they're just kind of like do whatever so like your guys is first appearance is

[00:18:13] when they're picking pumpkins and then all of a sudden you guys come out of the ground and you're like got these pumpkin heads on and you're just like wow and she's like oh no so it's I mean it's a great

[00:18:27] introduction it really shows like how the characters play off each other but getting to I mean that episode is regarded to be the absolute best episode of the show it was the very first one and it said

[00:18:44] that is the best episode of the show because going back to our discussion about children's horror that's an episode that doesn't have a lot of like big like jump scares or like big creepy monsters

[00:18:59] in it it's a very subtle story and that's why it's so good is because you have the supernatural element but it's about a character overcoming her sort of inner obstacles or inner demons

[00:19:17] and becoming a better person because of it and it's all started because of her own falls as a character but also because you have outer sources like Chuck and Steve who kind of egg her on until

[00:19:30] she decides to fight back and that's always just been the interesting thing about that episode for me personally I think that horror as a genre whether you're thinking about it for whatever age group you're talking to um

[00:19:48] probably I'm knocking my mic or as a genre is one of those things where like the reason we have it is that it allows us to like manifest in a you know supernatural or a uh a larger than life

[00:20:07] way the genuine fears that there are right and when you're talking about adolescence and you're talking about a kid who was bullied I remember being bullied as a kid I think there's a lot of people who would identify with that like and I and I distinctly remember

[00:20:25] around grade six or seven or six or seventh grade because if you're in America let's say you say it uh that I got the chance to bully someone else and I jumped on that shit

[00:20:37] I was like I'm gonna bully this kid because I finally get to do the thing that's been done to me and I remember that kid's dad pulling me aside and saying like I've seen you get bullied

[00:20:49] why are you doing this to my kid and I kind of feel like that's the curly bath story without getting too high-minded about it like that's what it is right like you get the chance to do to

[00:20:59] someone else the thing's been done to you and you find out that it fucking sucks yeah it really does and what and that's the great thing about it because I mean she's tormented and she just after the so one of the bigger scenes of that episode is

[00:21:19] when she kind of just reaches her breaking point and it's after the cafeteria scene where Chuck and Steve come up to her and they're like you know we're really sorry like we want to make

[00:21:29] a men's here's a sandwich and they put a worm in the sandwich and then she bites it in front of the whole school and then is like just super freaked out everyone's laughing Chuck and Steve are just

[00:21:42] in hysterics and she just runs home and I mean like just attestimate to like how just how different this episode is from the rest of the goose bumps show because the goose bumps show

[00:21:54] for the most part is pretty cheesy all around it kind of rebels in sort of the spooky atmosphere but this scene where she goes home and she just tears up her duck costume while crying

[00:22:07] is extremely somber and I mean it's just like it's a character just reaching their breaking point and right after that is when she's like she kind of like she stops crying and then she just goes

[00:22:22] over she fishes the money out and then like I'm gonna teach them a lesson and that's when it really starts to be like what you said I'm gonna do to them what they didn't mean it's like sort

[00:22:33] of a revenge sort of thing you kind of lose yourself to your revenge it's the pigs blood dropping on carry it's the it's uh Florence P. in mid so mark like it's you know it's like it's a thing right

[00:22:49] it's a it's a horror movie trope and it it's because it's pretty real and yeah totally absolutely one of the most relatable human emotions that's out there sides yeah definitely feeling feeling

[00:23:03] feeling no self respect for yourself you know and just take crap every day from people I mean that's I think everybody can relate to that so especially for those who already feel like they don't

[00:23:14] have enough confidence in themselves to begin with to kind of have everyone around you sort of dunk on you like that can really do something to someone like that and it's not to say that everyone's

[00:23:26] gonna you know like turn evil or anything like that or you know put a haunted hallway mask on your but it's a very real thing that a lot of kids go through is that they kind of feel like they are

[00:23:39] we're kind of left to find for themselves in the world and it's very it is sad it's a thing that many kids do experience in their lives yeah I mean you know there's a reason that the show

[00:23:52] is for the weirdos you know yep well the weirdos are usually in that have those experiences but we we thrive we thrive you gotta have something for the kids who sit in the back row you know

[00:24:06] do me yep absolutely be on you had a thought there for a second there oh no um basically it was just to add onto that thing about the worm because we've had mixed stories about that worm

[00:24:20] our alstein claims that Katherine wanted a real worm because she found it hard to act with a fake one and then Allen said no we would tell her we had on said no we wouldn't have done that we

[00:24:30] wouldn't have put a real woman do you remember the truth was it a real worm or my god in that sandwich I was so panicked about this Bjorn because I knew this question was going to come up

[00:24:41] and I have the most disappointing answer which is that I don't remember I don't know oh no I'm like I knew like I knew the minute I was like oh I'm gonna do the stain it'll be great oh they're

[00:24:51] gonna ask what the fucking word I think the only person who's cancer I will accept is Katherine's and I have no idea what she would say about it because I honestly don't remember

[00:25:05] well when we say well my heart says like I hope it's true it's like a big mystery it's like you have all these people saying yes it was no it wasn't it's like now we're really

[00:25:18] he's to find out I'm hoping it's true because that's hard core if she she chose to do that that would be super cool like the ultimate boss move for an actress yeah well I guess we can ask

[00:25:29] her like we'll get the chance to actually ask that question you'll get her on at some point and tell her tell her that I want to know it'll be we'll be sure to send me the link I'll you know you the link to her podcast we'll make

[00:25:44] a short of it and we'll send it to you that way you can answer that would be a good short literally just that would be a good short because we're been like hey we got the answer here it is yeah the mystery that all goosebumps fans

[00:25:58] want to know was the last one of the actors herself who actually did it yeah but no and obviously not getting too much in the detail in the other episode because after

[00:26:11] that scene check and Steve are certainly like that's what she wants to do she gets the mask because she wants to scare the bullies that bullied her she wants to get back at them and

[00:26:22] it's sort of like I've always equated the haunted mask as sort of like what the symbiote is despite her man because you put it on and it makes you feel like really good like you just

[00:26:35] feel like you're on top of the world but it also kind of feeds on your inner demons it brings what's underneath out into the open and when you have someone who has so much built up aggression

[00:26:47] and just a lot of anger towards people around her and then it just kind of comes out it makes you an entirely different person and that's what's so great about it because it's not necessarily

[00:27:00] like you know a possessions type of thing or something like that it's just the thing your subconscious is now in a state where it's not hiding anything anymore right it brings out the worst in

[00:27:13] exactly and the cocaine of children's horror. Steve is sitting right there there was a few books he was riding well on cocaine I think it was one of the key right. Well I mean you had a story about

[00:27:28] a giant space turtle and you know battling an evil clown then yeah you're probably going to be on something. But I think I think right I think that's why those kind of stories resonate

[00:27:40] is that like a bullied kid wants to bully and a scared kid wants to scare and I think that's pretty universal. Yeah but just kind of that's actually why the Hanamask is my favorite episode

[00:27:55] the characters are phenomenal everybody who acted in those episodes did so well you know from even like the smallest character everybody did so well and it was done very well by Timothy Bonn even the second one by William Forretton. It's really like you said it was my gateway

[00:28:15] director horror but I mean like I've amassed a pretty large Hanamask collection because again you know being bullied as a kid you can relate to it as a resonating story of something

[00:28:26] you know you always wanted to do to these people who bullied you so it's stuck with me no pun intended of the Hanamask but yeah I mean it's fantastic what this episode's done for people I

[00:28:40] heard multiple people tell me stories about why it's their favorite as well and how impactful us their life going forward. Absolutely and so that's kind of the catalyst for you know Carly Beth's goals in this episode is because she wants to get her revenge and you kind of

[00:29:00] loses herself in that so Chuck and Steve are sort of like they're not really the villains they're not even no they're not villains at all they're just kind of antagonists they're morons you know that too. They're like they're like the wall door

[00:29:18] fan statler of a world that we're talking about yeah there's a muppet joke for anyone well that's the thing it's like their guys who like look you know once in a while a joke or a

[00:29:32] prank is harmless but these are two guys who kind of don't know when to stop like and picking on one person even if you don't you know like mean anything malicious which I feel like

[00:29:46] by some of the stuff they do kind of is because you know they definitely want to kind of get a rise out of Carly Beth but even like if you don't mean it but you do it a lot you know

[00:29:58] it's it just gets to that point and you some people just don't know when to quit when it comes to pranking um and I mean they certainly weren't very quick what the consequences are.

[00:30:10] That was why the climax between Chuck and Steve and Carly Beth and the cemetery scene was so prevalent and so impactful too because even when she wanted them to apologize they're like

[00:30:24] for what you know so and then she just like blew up. Yeah I wonder if things like we only did it because we liked her like okay that's kind of like that's a weird way to like someone but

[00:30:38] that's how they're reviewing it so they they in their minds it seemed like they didn't know what they were doing was so bad. Yeah they probably just viewed it as almost fun like yeah

[00:30:49] but you know it's hard not to look at these things through like maybe a more enlightened blends as we sit here in 2024 but like you know little boys are taught to pull the

[00:31:00] pig tails of girls that they like as opposed to saying like hey what are you interested in it's like you know as a as a as a child of a certain age you know like you get taught

[00:31:14] but like oh well you should you should neg the girl that you should like you should like insult her and see if that makes her like you back and you go a little more that's stupid

[00:31:24] but like okay with this you tell me I should do as much as you do yeah. Yeah I would tell what if it goes to the clock she actually lacks you that's what I always told

[00:31:33] is it good like if she hits you it just means she lacks she and I was like really and uh that's not one one. This bruise on my face says otherwise. Right well and that's what genre storytelling gives us the opportunity to do because it sits a

[00:31:53] little bit outside the mainstream it gets it gives us the opportunity to say like hey this thing that everybody's saying is wrong so you know no one will listen to us if we say that's straight up

[00:32:06] but if we do it with a possession and masks and graveyards and then maybe we can actually get a message across a little bit you know what I mean well that's something that anything like

[00:32:18] yeah I stopped going to the mall because of dawn of the dead you know I feel like that's like that was a good message just in case yeah just in case or uh or what don't don't go in the water

[00:32:31] because of jaws I mean right yeah there's a lot of people that didn't that didn't. I mean like even like on a mask I'm sure there's probably kids out there who watch Hannah

[00:32:41] Mask and then refuse to put on another Halloween mask ever like well because it happened you know in the 80s that shit could suffocate you yeah well mine on a match up there

[00:32:54] sitting right there I wore that when I first got that I did wear it and then eventually I don't know if it like shrunk or my face just got bigger but eventually when I put it on I would be like

[00:33:06] I'd be like I can't breathe in this thing I can't put it on anymore. You should have taken the message to heart. Yeah definitely. Exactly. Don't put on on a mask it's not a good idea. They should make a PSA about that don't put on hot a mask.

[00:33:19] Just like a Michael Jordan except instead of drugs it's putting on hot a mask. Stop it. It's a hell. The message of this podcast is due drugs kids. Yeah due drugs don't do the hot a mask and stay in milk or something I don't know.

[00:33:42] Was it staying milk and drink your drugs don't do school. What about that? That aforementioned graveyard scene is really good because it is the climax of that story line because you got chicken Steve and they're just they have a care in the world they have no

[00:34:02] remorse for what they did they're just kind of you know being kids. And then when Carly Beth shows up with that mask on and her the plaster head on the pole and is just like screaming and yelling and just being like you better apologize to her

[00:34:20] and they're just kind of like they're not really like crying but they're just kind of like really really really freaked out. And it's like well that's what happens when you sometimes that's what happens when you push someone

[00:34:32] too far they lash out they will get calm and we really angry and um I mean it it was just a great scene because it was really just like the moment where things were really kind of like not only for

[00:34:46] them but for the audience that just like wow like we're this she's really kind of like gone off the deep end now um she didn't mean it may not do anything physical to them but it's like really

[00:34:58] really nasty stuff. I mean Carly Beth you wish you were never born if you don't apologize. Yeah I mean it's like it's a very similar message calling all creeps the book in the episode

[00:35:10] and it's very similar idea even though that gets a little bit more stream at the end but well that one's not exactly a happy end. No. No that one's for me but yeah I mean it depends on

[00:35:22] it depends on how you look at it. We're rich. That was a happy ending. That's what we once says it's all a point of view. Yes but talking a little bit about that scene or just your experience with the episode

[00:35:37] what was the reaction the first seeing that mask did you see it any scene before the graveyard or you know so one of the vagaries of like filmmaking is that like yeah we'd seen it all right like

[00:35:51] it had it all been like oh we saw it when we were getting our like touchups done in the makeup trailer like you see it all. I think it's a testament to Katherine and to the energy of the set that

[00:36:06] like there was enough energy to make it feel more extreme than it actually was. But yeah we are like we are aware of that stuff right like that's kind of the gig right is to make it seem like a brand new thing but it's all actually pretty choreographed

[00:36:26] which is and then at the end of the day like an editor puts it together and makes you look a lot better than you actually looked in the first place you know like they make it seem a lot more

[00:36:40] shocking and and truthful that was when you did it because it's such a collaborative art form but yeah no I mean seeing a mold of someone's head is kind of cool. I actually realized later down the line that she puts the red cloth underneath the head

[00:37:01] and they don't say it outright but it was said it was supposed to almost be like a bodyhead on a stick. 100% yeah yeah it's flung blood the impeller and it's creepy it's really creepy especially

[00:37:15] when you look in those details it's like the things can get pretty dark even if you don't right say it absolutely and that was the last scene actually I'm curious where she has the mask on

[00:37:30] and she's talking to you guys was it hard to hear her so you guys could react and do your lines or what she pretty vocal behind a mask where you could actually hear. I think in the final episode

[00:37:43] if I am remembering correctly like they've done something to treat her vocal quality like there's some sort of filter that it's going through but I think no we could hear her like I think that there was

[00:37:55] like a presence there and it was pretty solid it might not have had quite the same like sort of demonic quality but the intention behind it would have been scary enough I think absolutely

[00:38:10] and I don't wonder because like I've watched behind the scenes with other people who've worked with masks on even down to the dark night rises with Christian bail and Tom Hardy

[00:38:22] but they were talking like in that scene and the first fight scene that they had together it was loud in there he's wearing that mask I mean obviously bail has an open mouth part but

[00:38:32] obviously Tom Hardy didn't so they had to use like once they say their line it's over it was like a little finger thing they would watch and know that they now have to say their line

[00:38:41] and do their part oh so that's why it's kind of wondering as like is it was it so hard to hear for her like you just had to kind of wait for them to say okay now your line now your line

[00:38:49] I don't think we had a like a dark night type budget but no I think I think we're okay but I have to do well back into the memory well instead of the explainer but that was the show's 30 years next year yep be 30th anniversary so

[00:39:09] crazy we just weird because I haven't aged a year but you know you're right but that scene it's interesting because that's actually the last scene that you and Steve are in

[00:39:24] the episode the rest of it focuses of course on Carly Beth and it was it's soon after that she realizes that the mask is fused to her and it's now becoming her face so that kind of becomes

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[00:41:52] things to trophy smack for sponsoring this episode and now back to more goose bumps. We talked about the HANA mask one and you know Chuck and Steve certainly were in that episode but not super forefront they did their purpose as antagonist but it wasn't until the HANA mask

[00:42:11] too that they became main characters and this was the 11th and 12th episodes of the second season based off the 36 book in the original series. Now this episode I believe was the only

[00:42:29] sequel to a two-part term if you want to get technical because it was coming off the heels it was obviously based on the sequel book but it was a sequel to the original episode so

[00:42:41] you got all the actors back with the exception of and I'm blanking on the name of the kid who did Steve in the first episode but he was replaced by John White who did an episode prior

[00:42:55] the Kukuhawk and Doom and he played Steve Boswell. So in this episode like the book Steve is the main character. Carl we bathed since the first episode has gotten a lot more courageous she's

[00:43:09] really she really has changed since those events and now Chuck and Steve can't get the jump on her they're kind of just like she there's this we got great scene in the opening of the episode

[00:43:20] where they're walking home and she just like is all of a sudden like hold on one second and you just walks over and then just scares Chuck and Steve out of the bushes and they're just like

[00:43:30] man he was so much easier to scare last time and I just knocked my headphones out by doing that I think the word you I think the word he used is you was so much more scarabble it was like

[00:43:44] the little one you just yeah so much more scarabble really bad yeah and I mean it's it's great it's always great when you do a sequel because you want to see the characters progress from the

[00:43:57] last time because you don't want just a rehash you want to see that they actually learned from what they did and that was that was just a great opening because it really shows that Carl we bathed

[00:44:06] moved on from those events and you feel really good for her but she's not the main character this time around it's Steve and Steve is feeling troubled because he wants to like Carl we bathed be scary

[00:44:18] on Halloween but this time it's not to get revenge it's just because he just wants to be a little shit in a lake and also like it's her last Halloween he wants to be scary and want to be

[00:44:32] a pirate again but this is that's if you believe I get the notion that people need to stop doing trick or treating a certain age I'm pushing 23 and I'll still go dress up on Halloween

[00:44:44] yeah I'm dressed up I go around with her but yeah this is a scenario where the kids think that once they turn like 13 or something like that that they can't do Halloween anymore and that's

[00:44:57] the whole catalyst is he wants to make this a Halloween to remember and Chuck's just kind of like two cares because they're like we don't want to be pirate or he's like I don't want to be

[00:45:09] a pirate again and then we'll Chuck's like well maybe you could be a scary pirate he's just like oh he's that is that you'll have to forgive me do I end up as a gangster in this one or

[00:45:24] is that in the first year yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm up straight because I remember the little mustache actually like you can actually like in movies yeah yes speaking of that as well like

[00:45:36] one of our good friends groups from completion is who's a big goose bumps fan and he loves haunted mass two is his favorite episode of the show and he is actually wondering if you do have

[00:45:45] any say in the gangster costume uh gosh I don't think I did but I remember that it was pretty cool yeah you even did so like the the good fellas sort of like yeah tell you mobster sort of thing

[00:46:04] you know not for nothing my middle name is Rocco and I feel like I really identified with something and wearing those pin stripes yep and you even had like the the like tubes in your mouth so

[00:46:18] you had sort of like the like the little sort of thing um that was fun and uh honestly I mean I love that you guys got more I mean here's the thing about haunted mass two

[00:46:32] is that you know we talked about haunted mass one it's a lot more somber it's a little more internal sort of conflict it's a very subtle kind of episode haunted mass two is definitely more

[00:46:44] traditional goose bumps it's definitely more of an external threat uh in this case the shopkeeper is overtaking by the haunted mass which comes to life which I mean the mass did do that in the first

[00:46:56] one but now we're just it's alive it can do whatever it wants and it takes over the shopkeeper and that's sort of the the monster of the episode uh but then you have Steve and he wants to be scary

[00:47:10] so I guess in the time between the two episodes the shop closed down it's boarded up it really makes you wonder how long it was sitting there because it looks like it's been sitting

[00:47:19] there abandoned for years and it's only been like one year so it's like jeez the economy really didn't this do this the shop anyway well well that's that story telling trope right like

[00:47:32] my kids are young enough that they're watching the Star Wars movies now for the first time and it's this funny thing of like between a return of the Jedi and what is the first JJ

[00:47:44] room's one called uh of Star Wars uh full of awakens or so much thank you so much this whole thing in four so I can's whether like Luke Skywalker that's a legend and then

[00:47:59] then you do the the math and you're like what that was only like 30 years ago like that says all this goose bumps is like that's not what do you mean a legend like like like like like I

[00:48:12] I know who Rick Astley is I don't think he's a legend so I feel like there's a little bit of time warp storytelling happening there exactly as just like Star Wars rant that I just had to

[00:48:25] get a lot of it all of us yeah no that's fine I mean it's just really funny one yeah like very short amount of years and yet they make it seem like it's been like an eternity since

[00:48:36] and yeah I guess an alien now a denigrant for being in goose bumps. 40 year old aiden christians in this. so yeah so check and Steve I mean I just love that they're sort of the front the forefront to the

[00:48:55] episode currently Beth and Sabrina are certainly there too but they're sort of like um I kind of equate them to sort of like Dr. Lumus and the original Halloween where they find out about

[00:49:05] the haunted mask and they're it's currently Beth especially and it's just like we need to find it we need to find it we need to destroy it and they're just running around like lunatics just like

[00:49:16] have you checked there have you checked there it's very you know Donald Pleasant's in Halloween one but uh Chuck and Steve are at the forefront and I love the interactions that these two have

[00:49:28] I mean John White was it was a really charismatic one of the most charismatic actors in the goose bumps show because he just kind of had like even though it was you know that personality was kind of being a dick

[00:49:41] he did it really well and he could be like a really like radish like it talking to his mom he's just kind of like don't I have any boundaries around here like get out mom or like even talk with Chuck

[00:49:53] it's not Dennis the Manisting right if you're gonna be a dick you have to be charming yep you have to be like you you have to be a dick that's not unlikable like someone that you can root for

[00:50:04] but you're also kind of like wow what an asshole yeah like the un-larination of Australia yes yes there it's why do you then here oh my god like the way we austeritops in like American films that's just hilarious because I'm like they're actually odd people like that

[00:50:24] I mean majority of us aren't but like you will meet like the stereotypical Aussie and go oh my god this is why we exist in like American films this way to get to that way it's okay

[00:50:34] like you're always apologizing and living in a blues I get it it's fun yeah oh my god oh but even like the dynamic between Chuck and Steve because in the in the first episode

[00:50:53] they kind of just kind of like two peas in a pot they're kind of the same person and this one you have Steve who's kind of like the loud like ram bunchus one and you have Chuck who's sort of

[00:51:02] the more cautious one but they also kind of haven't be like the one who's more carefree I love the scene where they're like walking outside school and Steve's just kind of like lamenting about

[00:51:13] you know how it's their last Halloween and once we scary he's like I believe the wine was one minute like you're you only have so much time and then like you're discussing old man

[00:51:24] or you're a drooling disgusting old man and then Chuck just like hydro sometimes he's just like way out you're discussing young man it's a great line I love it but it's just like the whole

[00:51:36] shadowing you're your delivery of just like hydro sometimes I do my sleep all the time but um that's great and even you're discussing young oxy so yeah but it's like every morning

[00:51:54] I wake up I'm just like again oh again and then it's like you have that dry drool there and like sometimes like because I get up at 4 a.m. for what so sometimes like I'll brush my teeth

[00:52:03] but I won't even really like wash my face or anything and then I'll get to work and everyone's just like it's I'm like oh shit the dry drooling it's too past that's where

[00:52:17] it's just too past but I just want a dynamic app just kind of like you know you have one guy who's I mean it seems like they've not really moved on from being like kind of the stereotypical

[00:52:29] bullies they just kind of watched their punching bag so now they're kind of scrambling to find like okay well what can we do now um well I think and you know and I might I might be putting too much

[00:52:41] of a microscope on it but you know we were talking about the first episode and the idea of like the bully wants to get believable in this case it's like sometimes one of your friends

[00:52:51] starts to worry about being a grown-up a little bit more before you do right like you get to that age that 12 13 14 year old age and like one of you wants to start dating and the other one wants

[00:53:04] to keep collecting magic the gathering cards and it's like well like not that those are mutually exclusive ladies and gentlemen that just wants that but it is this thing of like well one of you

[00:53:18] wants to kind of make a big stand and usually when you do that you end up doing something stupid which is kind of what I was like as a kid anyway yeah absolutely and um well they always say that

[00:53:34] you can't be old and wise until you're young and dumb so yeah I bet that won't up here absolutely and um well even when he gets like the mask for the first time

[00:53:49] and I mean because this is a scenario where you know in the first one you have a shy timid girl who's very kind and her own right to kind of lose it or stuff to her inner demons

[00:54:02] here Steve is very much like I want to be like this and he gets the mask and he just kind of owns what it does to him because he's not necessarily hiding the you know sort of like his intentions

[00:54:17] it's more when the physical changes start taking place that um that it starts becoming a problem for him and like I said it leans more into the goose bumpy sort of traditional goose bump story because

[00:54:30] that sort of stuff is more prevalent like when he starts like really getting like old and tired even when he like first puts the mask on he's kind of like oh I'm feeling really tired um and that was

[00:54:46] I mean that was a great scene too when he meets up with Chuck and Chuck's just kind of like like doing like what is wrong with you like you're like he's like scaring off kids he's stealing

[00:54:57] their trick or treat bags and um just like knowing at candy he's just like you're disgusting and it's like I mean it's just some great dialogue came though from uh from John White's

[00:55:12] character who played Steve though when he kind of gets in Chuck's face and they kind of do that zoomed in on the old man mask and you can see he's like he really means what he says right now he's like

[00:55:24] yeah leave me alone you're nothing to me like go straight up your trash get out here like if you don't want to be part of this fine but that goes right back into what you were saying

[00:55:34] earlier I'm a Swift how some have grown up before somebody else did and it just kind of kind of conflicting at that point. Mm hmm absolutely um another great scene I really like

[00:55:51] because like I said so you know Steven Chuck are more prevalent and I like that in this story you can sort of get that redemption arc still because um you know you go from you know the

[00:56:03] bully characters being you know bullies to hear where they're like sort of becoming like allies and that's a great progression of those characters because uh my personal favorite scene because I always

[00:56:15] love to watch these two episodes uh back to back especially on Halloween um you know and the way that this episode ends with um the two masks burning in the fire and you have all four of the

[00:56:29] kids just sitting around and you have that they're just watching it. It really feels like something like it really feels like the finale of that story like it feels like it kind of reaches a natural

[00:56:40] conclusion where all four of these kids kind of come the grips with themselves and they move on. Um and that's great I mean you go from the you know episode one episode two um and you have

[00:56:55] a whole group of friends now so it's it's it's a very good finale to that sort of story uh in a way they did a great job making it feel like a natural progression for those kids stories going through

[00:57:09] both parts. Even to the end where you know steves now you know admitted after that's how he got his the mask off was the fact that he protected Carly Beth um that he didn't want you know

[00:57:25] have her hurt or anything but he actually does love her too as a friend otherwise he wouldn't have been able to do what he did get in the mask off but even at the end and his mom's like I guess

[00:57:35] Halloween's not such a big deal anymore you know they obviously make such a joke I guess I'm getting too old so it was a really nice natural progression going from how they were in the first part

[00:57:45] to where they are now and actually can be friends and get past that whole as you said earlier pulling the picktails uh of the girls basically it's actually a David Chord over the year story maturity it really is yeah I mean that's that's what genre genre storytelling is

[00:58:05] therefore right that's like as far you know I don't want to get like pretentious about it but like that's like that's what grims fairy tales are for like that's what like it's just just a way

[00:58:15] to help you cope with growing up because growing up is fucking hard and yeah and if you can introduce you know monsters and zombies and spirits and it just makes it a lot easier. Definitely oh that's again thanks especially children's horror can do a really good job

[00:58:35] of selling those messages even through the the weird and supernatural uh the really show and then it doesn't always have to be I like I said most goosebumps stories sometimes don't always

[00:58:46] end well for the characters I mean again I was back to the classic grim fairy tales but this is a story where you know these kids really do kind of mature and grow up and by the end of it they

[00:58:58] can learn to be friends and you know defeat evil possessed Halloween mass while they're at it you did um I really like the climax of the second one too because it takes place and it's another

[00:59:11] graveyard scene and I just love when the show does graveyard's because they're just so classic Hollywood it's like universal like Frankenstein with the fog and the and the howling of the wolves in the

[00:59:24] back like it's such a great atmosphere um and we uh and if you guys have seen our past episode talking with Scott Wickware he was the guy who played the haunted mask um the figure with the mask on

[00:59:39] he's the one who's kind of commanding Steve to do his bidding um and he did a great job I mean that final confrontation when Steve's just like holding her in front of the mask

[00:59:51] and then my favorite part of that is just when uh when you would say we you say to him you're just like Steve let him go and he's just like the old man will do as I say like booming scream

[01:00:05] and it's holy like and like right so the kids are like okay man yeah I mean when we had Scott on the podcast and he yelled up stairs to his wife to come down his sheet played in an episode with

[01:00:19] him uh what the dead has like you're like Marilyn like oh bro oh yeah oh we proud we're just like oh they're air mass mutant Hanna mask coming out of this guy

[01:00:33] I hope we're out yeah like did you actually did you um get a approach to do any other goose bumps episodes uh during like the time uh so the only other episode I ever did is uh i'll call it a partial

[01:00:51] appearance I was I want to call it I want to say it was called the werewolf of fever swamp oh it's like a kid he turns into a werewolf and then there's like a whole like almost like film war PI voice over like it's his internal

[01:01:13] thought process the whole time so i'm the voice oh that's me doing like voiceover of the whole thing i'm not actually in the episode owed but the like narrator is me really oh my god I didn't know a skin

[01:01:32] there's your deep cut that's really cool that might have been werewolf skin i don't mean it's called werewolf skin i'm not sure yeah he works in the mirror he's a werewolf and he says something about hating mince yeah i'm already sure that was a virtual as werewolf skin

[01:01:52] i mean it's werewolf skin i think so yeah i'm not sure it wasn't a werewolf but he was it turns out his aunt and uncle were werewolves okay um but he had i think he's the character

[01:02:03] that had been turned on monologue and now that you talk about the myth thing i think that's hilarious knowing that you know uh get them just you know you know you know you know you know you know you know

[01:02:12] here's the deal with the myth thing yeah it's a throwback it's a throwback to the yeah going through the candy and saying oh i hate mince and throwing them out and because i was

[01:02:23] doing the voice in the werewolf thing the producers like you gotta say some about hating mince like a little throwback and it's it's a little easter egg in it yeah that's a thing

[01:02:34] that's really i had no idea i don't see oh my yeah hate mince do you actually hate mince i've got no problems with them they're good the delicious but weirdly i've been to eastern Europe and i hate mince oh

[01:02:57] what is clutter no i'm not what i mean he just you know your friend has this really creepy mask on he steals a candy from a kid screams at them sits down

[01:03:09] hangy piece of candy in the first thing you say is hate mince but i was one of those one i was one of those two because it was that part of the mask and on a mask one he was in

[01:03:19] the graveyard with Steve at that time going through his candy and threw it out but in the second one it's like i said uh old man Steve was going through a bag of candy handed some to

[01:03:29] chuck and he said a hate mince and he threw it off. it was throws it away and then he then he says can you please take off that mask but you know the mint thing is way more important to take care of

[01:03:40] anyway i think if i'm not mistaken there's a throwback to that in the where-all of episode. that would be really cool yeah we're gonna get out a bit more closely now that's really cool but uh home we'll have to watch where we still

[01:03:56] go ahead. I mean we only need a bit of odds as well so you know what was probably your favorite scene to film in either of these episodes what would you say. gosh that's a really good question

[01:04:18] you know i remember a lot i remember two better than i remember one mostly because i was probably like a little bit older and because uh we were a bit more pal-pally but you know i

[01:04:35] remember being in the graveyard i remember um the smoke machines and the like you know at the end of the day like we play make believe for a living and sometimes we just get to play make believe with

[01:04:49] a lot more set dressing than most people do right like most of us just go out in our back yards and swing around sticks and stuff and sometimes you get to be in a graveyard with like cardboard

[01:04:59] tombstones and smoke machines going and like that makes it a lot more fun. oh yeah this is a gangster yeah so same the same thing let's you like bring out an inter gangster at the end of that

[01:05:11] right like oh we'll do i say and then just inter gangster chuck comes out you know you're like you're talking to me yeah it's just like it's a very silly way to make the living

[01:05:24] but uh but it's pretty fun. or if this shows you get all this pulls out two pistols she's the hot emas yeah. wow did you have this? did you get to keep anything from set

[01:05:37] like that's one thing we normally ask everyone like did they give you anything? yeah i don't think did i can't you know it's funny you guys were asking a ghastly grinner earlier and i remember i

[01:05:47] got they gave us all ghastly grinner t-shirts with the cover of the comic book on it. that's cool uh i had that for you know however many washes it survived until it just like all the

[01:06:00] the the the the the the print just faded off of it but no i don't think i kept anything um you know other than the memories hey the memories of the two hey you know it's forever up there forever

[01:06:15] yeah i was not saying the experiences sometimes all you need yeah totally. and that's always gonna be lots in your brain the stuffy the props and stuff will fade away eventually you know

[01:06:27] yeah well and if i'm honest like the thing that i keep from at the most and this is gonna sound really corny and i apologize the thing that i can keep from with most is like talking to guys like

[01:06:37] you know like every once in a while somebody comes up and says like i fucking love that show and like that's way cooler than anything that happens on set just this. well we can't tell

[01:06:50] we fucking love that show. oh we do i have like a dozen copies of this on the hs like i'm not even kidding every time i see it i'm just like i am OCD compulsive cool goosebumps like i could have

[01:07:04] i have like 50 copies of not delivering dummy like the book so you know i mean like i can't control myself it's i don't know if it's a mental thing or what but you know i'll just you know it's it's my

[01:07:17] life that's what i'll do but enjoy. well i'm past two have you gone back to like rewatches episode recently and recent years i have not seen it in 30 years. oh and uh it's so funny because like when

[01:07:32] i told my wife that i was gonna do this tonight she was like you know we need to do we need to watch that show with the kids like my kids are our 13 and 6 like and they've never seen it and

[01:07:45] she was like well maybe we should watch it with someone. i was like yeah i guess we should like and that's kind of cool you know. no generally what we watch things that i did they were like yeah

[01:07:54] whatever dad. no no no no eventually when they get older and you can show them Billy Madison you know the role of rod. you know i'm not being a little cooler it's like hey i worked with having sand larynx far away i mean they still won't care.

[01:08:11] well that's true i mean yeah i tell my daughter who i raised on goose bumps i mean she she's 14 be 15 this year but i tell you know even though she's grew up on i'm like she knows i do this podcast

[01:08:25] and who i've been talking to. she's like oh that's cool yeah what's happening what's happening yeah tell me when you're interviewing Billy i wish like i don't give a shit.

[01:08:34] right no if i said that yeah exactly if you get to tell your sister story or then you can let me know one till then yeah oh it's funny that you mentioned Billy i was because i uh i'm a pretty big fan of

[01:08:46] Billy i was so my life. i'm a big fan of it. i wish i was so fan. i'm a big fan of a music like you know it came at a it came at a dark time in my life

[01:09:08] like i was going in between like relationships and like i found her music and i a lot of her songs like my least favorite song is a biggest song which is bad guy like i like all the

[01:09:18] songs that are like from the second half of the album down like all the dark blue me stuff you know and um a lot of it resonated with me at the time so i just became a massive fan yeah yeah

[01:09:28] yeah yeah what music does that music's for oh yeah yeah absolutely not fair but um no and uh i mean it's always interesting just again because you never know as you said at the beginning of

[01:09:43] the episode is you never know what you're going to get into and if it's going to take off and goose bumps certainly took off um i mean even if like again even if the books were it

[01:09:54] like that well known at that point when the first episode came out they were they got popular i mean by 1997 and 98 i mean they were everywhere for a while and even now i mean in the

[01:10:07] stowja is big and we talk about this all the time but in the stowja is big right now especially 90s in the stowja like five years ago was a 80s in the stowja now with 90s in the stowja um and goose bumps

[01:10:19] is no exception i mean everybody goes back to these shows and then they introduce it to their kids so it's one of those things that will live forever and uh it's always really a treat

[01:10:30] i feel for any actors just to have something that you'd be in live on kind of immortalizes you in a way so it's it's just really a good option for sure

[01:10:42] absolutely and it's funny because like i went to a haunted house last year uh with my daughter and they play music while you're waiting in line you know they try to play spooky music or whatever

[01:10:52] sometimes it's just regular music uh nobody really got hyped or anything it was just you have brought still talking to each other wasn't till they played the goose bumps theme song

[01:11:00] from the tv show and i was like oh no this is like yeah i'm so proud to sing it's still so prominent in people's minds like the show it's one little thing like that music clip will bring

[01:11:14] all that right back to you again it's kind of wild first for us we live it every day so we mean we're very you know into it but goose bumps is love goose bumps is love i say this on

[01:11:27] like nearly every video i do um i'm curious uh where there are any like interesting stories that happen behind the scenes on set for any of the haunted mask episodes and any like

[01:11:41] fun things that happened of nope i mean i feel like we were like mostly like you know the nature of you know a mid budget tv show at that era shooting where we were and when we were like it

[01:12:01] was pretty go go you know like there's not necessarily a lot of downtime um john and i connected a few years later like we did another tv show together a few years later in Winnipeg and um

[01:12:17] i was 18 at the time and uh where i grew up in Ontario 19 was the drinking age but 18 was the drinking age in man natoba so i got to go to a bar for the first time um and not knowing anything

[01:12:31] i i went into the first bar i could find which is like i left my hotel and i was like oh there's a bar and i walked in i thought man there's a lot of dudes in this bar and i didn't realize i would

[01:12:44] and the gay bar until my second beer um but uh everybody was really polite and really lovely and john went a lot of homie later um uh so that's i guess a fun behind this knee this door

[01:13:05] that is pretty fun i knew it that story i mean i knew what that story besides didn't know was going on exactly oh my god i think this is like show what do you do it man but uh the

[01:13:17] no i yeah you know well it's it's the same thing we talked about at the beginning right um you show up and you do a gig and you you move on to the next thing and then and then you find

[01:13:31] yourself 20 30 years later talking to some people who it meant something to and that's just luck and uh and uh and i and like and i feel lucky about it. Absolutely and i'm likely said

[01:13:46] it's a great episode we've been great bunch of episodes super iconic people come back to them all the time especially the Hanimask uh the Hanimask i mean something about those stories just really resonated and of all the episodes of goose bumps those are usually the ones that people

[01:14:06] remember the most and i mean that's just a testament to that story and those characters in uh especially how they were portrayed and uh absolutely but uh yeah i mean Hanimask great episode we

[01:14:22] love it and uh Hanimask 2 is a great sequel we love that one too but uh i love it i guess one more question to end up the night um of the two main masks from the two episodes what would you say

[01:14:36] is your personal favorite Nick the one that's behind you like just to your left that's the one that i remember the most um so uh lower lower lower lower lower lower he's opening good oh he's opening

[01:14:50] and i'm so sorry okay yeah so is that part is that part too because that's the one that that's the one if you ask me what is the hunted mask look like that's the that's what i think of that's the

[01:15:00] one that was uh one from part one okay okay it does appear in part two but they did make changes for Scott Wickwires version because that's like that's the thing that the jump that it's in my memory

[01:15:14] absolutely this is the one that Carly Beth wore so okay yep not the exact ones it replica but I'd be like what you have that you know I wish but i mean i have all of this is of one

[01:15:29] that a private collector has but it's so Steve Levitan I guess had one he sold it to somebody and this person has it and saw that i'm a huge amount of mask collector and just was like hey

[01:15:40] i'm not selling the mask but i was like i just have these pieces that fell off from age and deterioration is like you can just have them normal people be like not through that crap away but you know

[01:15:51] that to me is like a piece of cinnamon history i was like no bring that here i will take every little piece of gas cinnamon is so absolutely but no i mean the the original mask is certainly iconic

[01:16:04] the old man mask that Steve wears is also great but i feel like you can never truly beat the OG sometimes it's very hard to do so but yeah absolutely well that is going to do it for

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