Unsolved Gooseteries (ft. Goosebumps Completionist)

[00:00:02] The most thrilling, spikingly series ever! From the pages of R.L. Stine's best-selling books, and the screens go on forever and ever. We now return to Goosebumps.

[00:01:06] Greetings, Goosebumps fans, young and old, big and small, living dead and undead. Welcome back to the Goosebumps Crew Podcast. As always, I'm your host, Isaiah Vargas. I'm joined by my good buddy, Nick Shaw. We are the Goosebumps Crew, and we're back, as always, to talk some Goosebumps. If this is your first time joining us here on the Goosebumps Crew Podcast, I want to sincerely welcome you all, as always. If you are or have ever been a fan of the popular Goosebumps series of books or the monster franchise those books spawned, I have a feeling this podcast is going to be right up your alley.

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[00:02:58] to the show this week. Austin, always a pleasure. Always a pleasure to be back and talking Goosebumps with the crew. Absolutely. We're glad to have you. And today we are delving into something very, very interesting. I guess you can call us Robert Stack because we're talking about some unsolved Goosebumps mysteries. So we always talk about, you know, many different aspects in the Goosebumps franchise. And for those of you who have been following us here on the podcast, we have done episodes in the past talking about

[00:03:28] sort of lost Goosebumps media, mostly lost Goosebumps books. We did an entire episode talking about the Goosebumps books that have been lost to time, whether they be canceled. They were planned to come out and didn't. Most of it was a result of, you know, this whole fallout that R.L. Stine had with Scholastic and this legal battle between Scholastic and Parachute Press. The whole thing. We have a whole episode talking about that.

[00:03:57] But there are many other things in the Goosebumps franchise that have gone way under the radar. And many people who are not diehard fans probably have no idea about it. I guess you can say that we're delving into the Goosebumps iceberg a little bit. Really, really deep in the Goosebumps iceberg for this week's topic, because we're going to talk about some of these unsolved Goosebumps mysteries surrounding many endeavors in the franchise.

[00:04:27] And, you know, we invited Austin on because he is a Goosebumps scholar, in my mind. And he's got a lot of knowledge on these different topics we're going to bring up today. So we won't spend too much time on this topic because, again, we've already talked about it in a previous episode. But there were books that were unreleased as a result of this legal fallout with R.L. Stine.

[00:04:57] As we mentioned before, there were books in these series that were going on, Series 2000, Give Yourself Goosebumps, a few other series, as well as an entire Goosebumps series, Goosebumps Gold, which got canned before it ever saw the light of day. I guess to start out, we mentioned before on the podcast that Goosebumps Series 2000 had an unreleased book, number 26,

[00:05:26] The Incredible Shrinking Fifth Grader. Usually when people think about unreleased Goosebumps books, that's the one they immediately go to. It's the most well-known unreleased book of them all. But as has been found out, there actually was supposed to be 40 total books in Series 2000. ISBNs were found for 40 Series 2000 books. Many of them did not have names. The only other one that we knew had a name was

[00:05:54] 27 When the Snake Bites, and that was according to The Art of Goosebumps. Austin, what do you make of all these books that were supposed to be released for Series 2000, but didn't? Well, what I had been able to gather over some time looking into this was that the 40 book length of the series was the, I guess, hopeful wish of the publisher

[00:06:23] in hopes that Stein would renew his contract after X amount of books that he already agreed to. Now, I don't proclaim to know exactly how many books he signed on to do, you know, per batch, let's say. But if I had to be a guessing man here, I'm assuming that he had a 25 book contract for Series 2000 alone, and he had to renew it to finish out the series. And if it was still selling well,

[00:06:52] which it really wasn't at the time, it possibly could have gone on further past 40. And I'm assuming that's what happened with the original 62 to begin with, because they were playing it by ear and scattershot early on, and then once the books really took off, that's when Stein got into the contract that he did. Now, there is some consternation whether he got into a 60 book contract immediately after the first two dropped, which might be true, but you still have to renew the contract to make sure that

[00:07:21] you can keep your publishing house, which for Goosebumps was Parachute Press, in a mutual partnership with the parent company that has taken on all the legwork, which was Scholastic. So, from my knowledge, that was the wishful thinking number from Scholastic. However, because of the fallout that happened with R.L. Stine and Scholastic, his contract expired after Book 25, and all the things that he possibly had

[00:07:51] in the works post that book just never released because the writing was on the wall and he was already done with the publisher. He wanted to move on to HarperCollins, and that's how Goosebumps Gold came about because he knew that Series 2000 wasn't going to continue. He was going to take Goosebumps over to HarperCollins and make a limited series there with them and see how they sell, and it never happened because Scholastic ended up taking him to court and won the lawsuit.

[00:08:21] So, that's what really killed Goosebumps in the year 2000 was Stein trying to pack up his bags, move over with Parachute to HarperCollins, and Scholastic said, no, you're not allowed to do that because you're in breach of contract and the court sided with Scholastic. Yeah, and trust me, there's a whole bunch of lore to this entire endeavor. It was, it truly was,

[00:08:50] as we said in our initial episode, the dark age of Goosebumps because it wasn't a gradual, it wasn't a gradual decline, and it kind of was in terms of sales, but it just stopped. Like, it just hit a brick wall, and it wasn't until Horrorland when it really started picking up again. But, in terms of Series 2000, there is a rumor going around that there was a series of standalone novels

[00:09:19] that R.L. Stein was writing in the mid-2000s. So, after he left Scholastic and went over to HarperCollins, he started doing other things like The Nightmare Room, which was his next series, which was pretty much Goosebumps with a different coat of paint. It was just Goosebumps not named Goosebumps. And then he also did a few anthology books, The Haunting Hour and its sequel, The Nightmare Hour. And,

[00:09:48] he did a few standalone novels, and there's a rumor going around that many of these standalone novels that came out during this time were initially plot ideas because four Goosebumps books, assumedly Series 2000 books. One way to back this up is, as we said, Incredible Shrinking Fifth Grader was originally supposed to be the 26th Series 2000 book that didn't get made, but afterwards,

[00:10:18] R.L. Stein would go on to write a book called The Adventures of Shrinkman. And, from what has been said, it was pretty similar to what Incredible Shrinking Fifth Grader was going to be. It even used an alternate version of the cover that was made for Goosebumps. And, because of that, you could infer that a lot of other R.L. Stein standalone novels, for example, Creatures from Beyond and Beyond, Zombie Town,

[00:10:47] My Alien Parents, Three Faces and Me, The 13th Warning, and even recent ones like It's the First Day of School Forever were possibly ideas for Series 2000 books. Now, going off that alone, there's not enough to make up the full 40 book count, but it's an interesting theory because you could also infer through Goosebumps Gold that series never came to be, but they had ideas for a Haunted Mask sequel,

[00:11:16] a Deadhouse sequel, which was also a Christmas book, and a book called Slappy New Year. Two of those ended up happening, the Haunted Mask sequel in Horrorland, as well as Slappy New Year, also in Horrorland. So, knowing R.L. Stein, you know, when he gets an idea, it's hard for him to shake the idea off. I am 100% certain that a lot of these ideas were for Goosebumps books, and he saved them for these different

[00:11:45] opportunities. he may deny it. If you ask him, he's probably going to be like, no, no, no, that's totally unrelated. I don't think it is. I think it's very much related to what he did back then. Absolutely. Well, going on the novellas, there were six in total, and you brought all the titles up. Shrink Man is linked to book 26

[00:12:15] of series 2000. Two other books we have found out in, you know, sort of recent times now. It's been a few years since we've discovered this, but there was two of them, My Alien Parents and Three Faces of Me, that were confirmed to be actually pre-Goosebumps stories that R.L. Stein republished. So, he decided to backdoor re-release them under his parachute brand because parachute were the people that took on

[00:12:45] the responsibility of production and release of these six novellas. The original title for My Alien Parents was You're Not My Parents, and it was from a Bantam Skylark UK exclusive book overseas, and I guess Stein still had the rights to it to release it in America or whatever, so he re-released it with a new title and Tim Jacobus art, and then he did the same thing with Three Faces of Me, which was a book that he wrote, I think it was

[00:13:14] Jovial Bob Stein. It was called The Amazing Adventures of Me, Myself, and I, and that book was turned into Three Faces of Me retroactively, as well as Tim Jacobus art. So, we know three of the six have been essentially solved, but the other three, we don't know the origins, but I think I've mentioned this in the past, I think on the podcast here, that two of them, I'm hard confident,

[00:13:43] were at some point a part of another canceled Goosebumps book, which was Tripleheader Book 3, which was a series that was very short-lived, and there's actually been some factual information that came out recently that's pretty fascinating. It was actually made under the snub of Scholastic. It was Parachute's way of getting additional material out, and Scholastic went along with it at first, but then they were like, you know what, we're going to put a stop to it, so they put an end

[00:14:13] to book three, and supposedly it had to do with declining sales, which could be an attributing factor, but I think it was probably a mix of both. Zombie Town and I think The 13th Warning, they are a very short story in nature. They feel like stories that you would see in the Tripleheader series. I'm at a hard confidence that those two are most likely attributed to that lost book in some facet. However, when it comes to

[00:14:43] Creatures of Beyond Beyond, I have no idea. It could be pre-Goosebumps, it could be something that Arl Stein had laying around, possibly that could have been a standalone book, or maybe a draft for a Goosebumps book, I couldn't tell you, but if I had to be a gambling man, I'm going to say that he had wrote that book way before it was ever released. I imagine so. And even more confusingly, the snake on the

[00:15:13] front of Creatures from Beyond Beyond not only was reused on a Goosebumps book, the live on stage adaptation, which we're going to be talking about that in a little while, but also considering that Book 27 was called When the Snake Bites, this is a bit of a stretch probably, but the fact that Creatures from Beyond Beyond has a snake on the cover, you know, maybe? That is a three out there, and so is that Welcome to Camp Slyther book

[00:15:43] from Horrorland. Either that or Creatures from Beyond Beyond could be Book 27. I would love for Creatures from Beyond Beyond to be Book 27. I've started whatever, admit it. I don't know being prevented, but all he has said about it, and I guess we have to go off of this as fact, unfortunately, he said he came up with the title and never wrote anything else for it. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? At the end of the day,

[00:16:13] as we said, Incredible Shrinking Fifth Grader is the unreleased book that has the most information behind it, we have a finished cover art, we have a title, we have somewhat of an idea of a plot, and it's the only one of these novellas that I am relatively certain was taken from that original concept. Like, that one, there's no, it's not like there's no correlation, it's very much there. It's basically what the book

[00:16:42] was supposed to be. So it's the unreleased book that technically did get released, it just wasn't a Goosebumps story. And that's why the whole thing about these novellas being an extension of that does hold some water to it, but unless Stein himself confirms it, we'll never know for sure, it's all speculation. That's what we're here for. Makes me wonder sometimes if his mind is jumbled a little bit. Because sometimes like,

[00:17:11] he can be contradicting in some of the things he says, but at the same time it's like, maybe it's just age? It's hard to say. It's like the slime doesn't pay thing. It's like you forgot completely about that contest and that kid who named the book but then had the book come out like 20 plus years later. He was like, oh no, I don't remember nobody, that's my title. Jim Smiley was that kid and we did an episode with him. Check out that episode by the way if you have not watched that. That was a great episode right there.

[00:17:42] Another book I want to bring up, I'm glad you brought up Tripleheader 3 because it was another book. It was the last Presents book. So for those unaware, there was a series of Goosebumps books based on TV episodes which were in turn based on the books. It was a weird sort of come full circle sort of thing. But there was an unreleased book in that series based on Blom Day and everyone and it's a rare case because it's the only one of these unreleased books that

[00:18:12] was teased at the back of a book. In this case, you know, the 18th Presents book, but it never got released and Bjorn wasn't able to join us tonight, but he has said that he is almost certain that there does exist copies, probably very few, but he says that copies of that book do exist somewhere and he says he might have a picture of it. We've yet to find it. If we do, that's going to

[00:18:42] be a big deal right there because that is the only book that did get teased and then just never saw the light of day. At least these other books did not have like a teaser on the back of a book. They weren't like said they're coming next and then they just never came out. That was the only one of these mysterious books and that's about all we know besides that, that it was just supposed to come out. And when it came to Goosebumps Gold, you know, we mentioned

[00:19:11] the three books in that series that were supposed to be Haunted Mask Lives, Happy Holidays from Deadhouse, and Slappy New Year, but it was also discovered that there were a total of 12 ISBNs that were found for Goosebumps Gold. So again, probably a publisher's goal, or maybe that was Stein's goal from the beginning, was that there were supposed to be 12 Goosebumps Gold books and only three of them got plot ideas

[00:19:40] and titles. And again, that's one that we have no idea about anything that could have been from that. Maybe it could have been more sequels like what we were expecting from the first three books, but unfortunately we'll never know. And it doesn't seem like anybody is really willing to spill the beans on Goosebumps Gold more than anything. You know, Tim would if he could. Yeah, I think Stein

[00:20:10] would have went through with Gold if he had the chance to, because he was in court with Scholastic for the ability to take Goosebumps under Parachute's ownership and be able to move publishers. But because Scholastic had invested so much amount of money into Goosebumps and because they've been a partner with Parachute since the beginning, they won the lawsuit. And if Stein got his way,

[00:20:40] he would have taken it to Harper Collins and who knows how many books could have come out of Goosebumps from that publisher. It could have been a completely different story. We possibly could have never gotten Goosebumps Horrorland or the moderns that we know nowadays if it was different. I don't think we would because even though Goosebumps was declining at the time, if the book series could have continued, because there's plenty of series out there that still continue even though they don't have

[00:21:09] millions of copies sold. They still release. So I fully believe that Stein probably would still have continued the line beyond what would be considered the death of Goosebumps at the end of the 90s, early 2000s. Harry Potter was just too big though. I mean, that really took over regardless whether or not I think Goosebumps declined or not. I mean, that just blew up, you know, like Goosebumps did in the early 90s.

[00:21:39] So I think it would have continued honestly. Stein loves, I think, the Goosebumps line too much just to let it go, which is why he wanted to take it with him. Even if like this whole legal debacle didn't even happen and we got 40 Series 2000s at the rate that they were releasing, we could have gotten Series 2000 at least until, God, maybe even close to like 2003, like at the rate that they were coming out. Because, yeah, we

[00:22:08] ended on book 25, so there would have been 15 more and it was at the beginning of 2000, so it would have at least been well into 2002. So it's sort of that like what if scenario, like what if they just, that whole thing never happened. In an alternate universe. Yeah. You believe in those alternate realities. realities out there where this is an like you said, we could have had 40

[00:22:37] Series 2000 books, which would have been 15 more instead of 12 potential Goosebumps Gold books, but we lost out on both because infighting and Stein wanting to up and move from Scholastic because he felt that they were being greedy. And that's up to debate. If you read the lawsuit, you can see exactly what it was about, at least on parachute side pretty heavily. So, you know, you could pick a side

[00:23:06] there, but I think a lot of that got in the way from fans getting finality with Series 2000 and possibly even getting Goosebumps Gold. Who knows? Goosebumps Gold could have been under Scholastic if they kept their partnership at some point. Never know. But, you know, one last thing before we move on. It's just, it's incredible that like with how big of a shit show that whole legal thing was back

[00:23:34] in 2000, that they would be doing books nowadays at all because it wasn't even that incredibly long that that Horrorland started because, you know, basically after the whole thing ended and Goosebumps was no longer making books, Scholastic absorbed the rights to Goosebumps from Parachute Press. So now they own essentially everything, if I'm not mistaken.

[00:24:04] All the trademarks, all the merchandising. And then they were just kind of like, let's try something. And then they started reprinting books and then they started selling the show to like a Cartoon Network for syndication. And then they're like, oh, people really like this. Okay, then we'll bring it back. That's the thing. It's like one of the reasons it died was declining sales. And then just a few years later, they're like, oh, people actually do want this. Oops.

[00:24:37] So I think we've talked about it in the past. Like Nick brought up, you know, you have Harry Potter coming out. I think also not a lot of people bring this up, but anime was becoming huge with kids in the late 90s. Like Pokemon was next level. I mean, trading card games, video game culture in general. It was taking kids farther away from watching TV and wanting to play video games. And then, you know, you have rival networks competing with kids television.

[00:25:06] And you can look at Goosebumps even. I think its own show was competing with the books and in some ways because they were coming out simultaneously with the books and, you know, taking away potential customers who just watched the episode for free and get the story that way. So, I mean, it was a weird time, but there's a lot of stuff going on that brought declining sales. But I think the number one thing people hardly ever bring up is it was a lot of fatigue going on. A lot of fatigue.

[00:25:36] Kids Horror was booming. There were so many competitors out there flooding the market and there was quite literally a collapse in 1998 where literally all the knockoffs were dying off one by one in the same year. And then Goosebumps went down to two book series. It had Give Yourself and Series 2000 for the remainder of however long it lasted until 2000. So, I mean, Kids Horror was limping along. And even Are You

[00:26:06] Afraid of the Dark tried to come back and they only lasted two seasons around 1999, 2000. So, I just think people needed a break from Kids Horror for a little while to appreciate it. I would certainly agree, especially in terms of Goosebumps because of how many, not only with the books and the show, but just how much merchandise and how they were starting to branch out to other avenues, you know, Disney and live shows and, you know, all

[00:26:35] these different things, possible talks of a movie. Like, it was just I could imagine maybe some people just kind of being like, yeah, I'm getting kind of bored with this. And, you know, obviously now we're just kind of like I don't know the superhero movie trend you thought would die and it's still kicking along even though it's not as popular as when it, you know, hit its peak. It's still trucking along though. Yeah, yeah. Some things are better. Better able to last than

[00:27:05] others, I guess. But when it came to Goosebumps, yeah, I can imagine, you know, and yeah, then with Harry Potter, you have this brand new thing that's not an anthology horror. It's a, you know, it's a story driven series about, you know, fantasy. It's not horror. It's fantasy dealing with magic and wizards and whatnot. So I can imagine that. I don't know. There's some horror elements in Harry Potter. You know what I'm talking about.

[00:27:34] Like it was, it was the different tone from Goosebumps. So it was probably, that's why it also caught on because people are like, okay, here's something new that we're going to like. Because Harry's parents were dead. I mean, you can't have a Goosebumps story without the parents. So, well, I guess, but, but I can definitely see that though. And it's a shame. I think by now we made our point that like

[00:28:03] what could have been, but you know, but one thing I want to move on to now, we mentioned earlier Goosebumps live on stage. So we've talked about this in the past, I feel, but in 1998, Feld Entertainment, you may know them as the company behind Disney on Ice. They created their own Goosebumps live show simply called Goosebumps live on stage. It was a limited release and it

[00:28:32] wasn't a particular adaptation of any Goosebumps story, but it was a brand new story in the Goosebumps universe. universe and it brought all these different creatures to the, you know, the theater stage. And it was a typical sort of, you know, theater experience. But this whole endeavor, minus some surface promotional material and some merchandise that has surfaced,

[00:29:01] we can thank Bjorn for a lot of that. Other than that, we don't know anything else about this show. This show has gone completely under the radar and besides the book adaptation, no footage from the actual show has released. But as I would like Austin to explain to us, there was supposedly a recording of some kind at some point in history.

[00:29:32] Yeah, so I have been after this play recording basically since I got into hardcore goosebumps collecting around 2020. And, you know, I would say maybe back in 2022, I was thumbing through newspaper.com archives, looking up maybe, you know, looking up information possibly out there about the play. And I found that in its inaugural show, which I

[00:30:01] think took place in Florida at the Sanger Theater. theater, they had a bunch of camera people there to record the entire play. And the article brought that up. And to go even further, they were talking about using some of the footage for promotional materials and there was possibly going to be maybe one to two shows, I believe, going to be playing that night so that they can get some extra footage to replace maybe some unusable stuff that they might come across. So that right there proved to

[00:30:31] me that there was in fact a play recording of the inaugural show done. So being me, being me, I was like, you know, I might try to reach out to Sanger Theater. I reached out and got no response. And then I was like, you know what, maybe I can reach out to Rupert Holmes publicist and fellow entertainment social and see what happens. And I politely got told to, you know, kick rocks because you know, it was

[00:31:00] basically out of their hands to allow us to gain access to the footage. And all we said was, you know, I think it was me and Jude reaching out. If you don't know who I'm referring to listeners out there, you've probably heard Jude DeLuca in past episodes on here. Very knowledgeable guy as well. We were both told that even for archival purposes, we're not allowed. So unfortunately, this I think is

[00:31:29] going to be an unsolved mystery for a long time until maybe somebody, some superhero with a cape that possibly hears this podcast that might have worked on the play or might have had some involvement behind the camera recording the play might be the Robin Hood that we all need and can upload it to the internet for us to watch. I won't, I won't doss you. I won't expose you. You can put a private link. Yeah, man, we'll keep you anonymous.

[00:31:59] You can leave it anonymous. Ryan Reynolds that shit. Yeah. That's definitely the thing is that like the internet is such a vast like, you know, wonderland of all these different things. And I do got to say for just a second to get off track, you Austin and Jude are a fucking superhero team in terms of finding this goosebumps lost media.

[00:32:29] A lot of things that were previously lost have been found with their help. If you at home remember our episode with Brayden Gardner, the winner of the Brain Juice Terrifying Title Contest, none of that footage would have been found, number one, if not for Brayden and his family, but also for Austin and Jude posting that footage online for all the world to see. And now that is widely, you know, accessible footage

[00:32:58] now. Same thing with a, I believe, mid-2010s interview with Brian Stelter and R.L. Stein. It was like a live Q&A and that was also lost for a while and then you guys found it and put it online and now everyone can see it. So these guys are superheroes. Like usually if there's anything lost, they're going to be the ones to find it. And Jude especially has been finding a lot of these like contest winners and

[00:33:28] stuff like that. Like you guys, man, I envy your guys' dedication to unsurfacing these mysteries. But going back to live on stage, so the recording is not available, but there are available images supposedly from a recording. And if you can see, so here are some of the images from the show. You can see some of the actors, some of

[00:33:58] the props, and you can actually see that there is a VH1 logo or a screen bug at the bottom there. Now, Austin, you said that there was some sort of VH1 like documentary or special that was covering the show. Yeah, so there was a show, I think, in 1999 to around 2002 on VH1 called Where Are They Now? And the show is Lost Media itself.

[00:34:26] So if you want to even find this episode where is it now? You're going to have to find it too. So more Lost Media out there. But anyways, they did an episode where they wanted to cover Rupert Holmes because of this song, If You Like Pina Coladas. He's the guy that created them. Well, in his interview, I guess, and going over his history about the song and his life career, Felt

[00:34:56] Entertainment got brought up in Disney on Ice, and there was footage from that supposedly. And then there was, I guess, in a portion of the episode, some clips played from a potential recording of the live on stage play where those images were derived from. And somebody who's, I guess, a massive Rupert Holmes fan posted this on his fan website years ago. And just recently, we were able to find it on this guy's website and bring it

[00:35:25] to life for everyone. But the possibility that they had footage to use to put into that documentary kind of proves that at least maybe there was a teaser tape made for traders to kind of pass around to stages across the country or maybe even the UK and over in Europe for them to look at the play and say, hey, this is something I want to put on. Possibly that's where it could originate from or possibly it could be the master

[00:35:54] tape of maybe the original recording that we found in the article or maybe some other subsequent recording we just don't know about. But if those clips do exist in that episode, we first need to confirm that the episode can be found and we can confirm that those are clips. So it's a whole thing. But it provides some legitimacy and some actual hope that there is an actual recording of the play out there. We just have to find

[00:36:24] it to surface somehow. And those images are proof that it does exist. Like it exists somewhere out there and we will find it. But as of right now, again, the only things that we have are obviously the book adaptation, Screams of the Night, which is basically an adaptation of the entire screenplay. We have merchandise that was available for purchase at the event and we have two commercials, one of which was locally aired and one of which was on the

[00:36:53] Ultimate Goosebumps VHS tapes. But that is literally all we have at the moment. So we're hoping at some point that we can find that. Actually, just this moment, I had no idea going into this that I could find this, but I actually just found an article on Playbill.com from December 30th, 1998 talking about Goosebumps Live on Stage. So I'm going to read it here. It's not a super long article. It's pretty short, actually. It says, Goosebumps tour suddenly canceled for financial review.

[00:37:23] Goosebumps Live on Stage, the theatrical version of the popular R.L. Stine Children's horror novel series written and

[00:37:56] directed by Rupert Holmes. Oh, that's they basically can't copy the entire first line. It says, we want to review the show to improve its financial success, says Catherine Ort-Mabry, director of Corporate Communication for Felden Entertainment, which is producing the tour. Ort-Mabry declined to say whether the tour had been losing money, but sources say Goosebumps lost a lot of money in development and had experienced weak ticket sales.

[00:38:26] Asked if the tour would resume at a later date, she said, we're looking at a lot of options. Goosebumps aim to do, aim to produce scares and laughs through elaborate special effects, including a gigantic snake, a fiendish funhouse, and Goosebumps favorite, Slappy the Demon Dummy. That's fun. The plot of the ghost, both four kids find themselves in the mysterious Doomsday bookstore, where the proprietor introduces them to three separate scary stories, all of which they

[00:38:56] become personally involved in. Holmes, a Tony Award winner for the mystery of Edwin Droon and the singer-songwriter of Escape, the Pina Colada song, wrote the script R.L. Stine, then novelized it into a special edition Goosebumps live on stage available only at the show and given away for free in most cities. It starred Paul Benedict as Mr. Gander, Jamie Bennett as Josh Barton, and Marie Nest as Jesse Barton, Jason Griffith as Skate Palmer. I'm wondering if that's the

[00:39:24] same guy who did the voice of Sonic. Michael Sean McGinnis as Dad Barton, Tiff Luke and Bill as Barka, Knight, Hank, and Slappy, Stephanie Thompson as Princess Slash Monster Blood Slappy, and Brittany Ly Kiefer and Jamie Lynn Keller, who share the role of Jamie Barton. And that was it. So it seems that the

[00:39:54] show itself was having issues of its own. It was during that same troublesome period of Goosebumps, but from the sounds of it, it wasn't doing so well just on its own. Yeah, it does sound like they were having some financial problems. I think it was because the entire cast from the production was a traveling production. So they went to every city with the play. It's not like the

[00:40:25] Goosebumps Phantom of the Auditorium play they have nowadays where they will like lease the music out to local theater companies and then they'll have local actors play the roles. Now this was like an actual production that Felt Entertainment took all the expenses of and took all the financial responsibilities of. I'm assuming that the week ticket sales possibly had to do with maybe poor marketing. I couldn't tell you, but from memory, the only time I saw that this play had

[00:40:55] advertising was on Fox and that was about it. Maybe Fox Family if you're lucky, if that was even a thing in 98, I couldn't tell you. But anyways, yeah, it probably had poor marketing and then on top of that you had Goosebumps kind of declining already. Like the book sales were dropping, the TV show was getting canceled due to low viewership and, you know, some issues going on with the show. I just, I've always attributed that Goosebumps at this point was suffering

[00:41:24] from the overall kids horror die off of 98. And it's ironic that the play died in 98, but I feel like that's possibly what it was. It had something to do with fatigue and possible showing that kids weren't as interested in Goosebumps in this year of time as they were possibly two years beforehand. I agree. For the sake of time, I will leave links to some of these articles that I have found

[00:41:53] just now covering the show. And you guys at home can take a look at them, but for the sake of time, we won't go over them right now. But I do feel at a later date we'll have to go more in depth on this show and hopefully at some point too, like maybe we can talk to people who are involved. You know, if we ever get a chance to talk to someone like Rupert Holmes about the making of the show, I would love to bring him on the podcast to learn more about this. You know, we've this is the show we've talked about many

[00:42:22] Goosebumps live shows. We talked about Fan of the Auditorium. We talked about Goosebumps Alive, which was the little known London show. And, you know, there's also the Disneyland attraction, the Goosebumps Horrorland Fright Show, which does have footage available. Funny enough, like of the two ones in the 90s. That one actually has quite a bit of footage available of the show and what you could have seen from it. This one has practically nothing.

[00:42:51] So hopefully one day we can find it. But because I mean, it's so weird for such a big endeavor to go completely, you know, absent, mysteriously gone like that. So but what are you going to do? All right. Next up on our little unsolved VH1. Yeah. Yeah. Where are they now? But next up, I want to bring up.

[00:43:21] So there were many different Goosebumps contests back in the day, many of which we've covered here on this podcast. The Brain Juice Terrifying Title Contest in 1998. Another Goosebumps title contest from 1994 through AOL, both of which involved titles for Goosebumps books, one of which took 30 or so years to get made and one of which was made into a short story on the spot. And that was it. But there was another sweepstakes and this one was a

[00:43:49] partnership through Lunchables. And this seems to be one of the only contest winners that is yet to be discovered. Austin, can you tell us a little bit about this one? Yeah, absolutely. So in 1998, Lunchables in Goosebumps 2000, as it was being advertised as, ran a heavy promotion throughout magazines. They had commercials for this thing. They were promoting it on pretty

[00:44:19] much all the Lunchables products of the day, even though if you're trying to find Ephemera of those boxes, it is insanely rare to even find an image of that. But anyways, they were holding this contest where essentially there was going to be a handful of grand prize winners that if they won, they would be taking to New York to visit R.L. Stine and help him write a Series 2000 book. Now, if you've seen the Kid

[00:44:49] Leave Stoops video doc about Lost Media and Goosebumps, he did bring up this specific contest because there's speculation that a certain Series 2000 book possibly was co-wrote with three kids, you know, involved. Well, if you read the fine print of the advertisement on this contest, not only did this contest produce

[00:45:17] three kids that would allow to help R.L. Stine write a book, there was also, I believe, around 2,500 winners that would receive an exclusive to the contest never before seen short story written by R.L. Stine. We have no idea what that means. What book they were given at the time, we don't know, nor has any photo evidence of this contest book

[00:45:45] prize has ever surfaced whatsoever. And, well, the one thing I wanted to bring up, the only thing from this giveaway that we do know about is right down here, too, in the fine print. I don't know if you can see. It says that three proof of purchase and $6.50 get you this Goosebumps Series 2000 secret book case. Now, that's not even a prize of the contest, but it's the only thing related to this contest that we know

[00:46:15] exists. Many people have that little bookcase. That bookcase is actually surprisingly one of the holy grails of Series 2000 collectibles. I mean, you see that thing pop up on eBay, for example. It sells immediately because people want it so bad. Yeah. So, you know, this contest kind of lives in infamy. You know, not only do we want to

[00:46:41] know what the short story book is or what it looks like or possibly see one turn up for sale, we want to know what Series 2000 book was written by these kids with R.L. Stein. And better yet, you know, what exactly are we looking at in terms of time frame? Because, you know, when this contest came out, I think it was June of 1998 when the contest was out and then it was supposed to end, I

[00:47:10] think it might say it on the ad, I think it's probably like late June or July, maybe August at the latest. But if you look, if you look at like the turnaround time for books back then, I would assume that that would put the actual book that these kids hypothetically helped create between books 13 to 22 around that range. It could be anywhere in between that because, you know, you have proof reading, you know, setting up what it's

[00:47:39] going to look like in terms of the cover for the press and, you know, getting all the, you know, ISBNs lined up with the release and all that. That takes some time for the publisher. So. And plus, when Stein is writing a book a month, you know, he can easily push one forward over another one if one is taking too long. So who knows? But if I had to guess, it would be between that time frame of the series.

[00:48:07] It looks like it says main. I wonder if Jeepers, what the sneak preview book, a little mini book. I don't know the complete origin of that, but possibly that maybe they gave those out. Those were the, you know, I've thought about that and from the people that I have talked to that had the sneak preview, which has, I think the house with no return in it.

[00:48:37] People were getting those from like, I think Barnes and Noble. So you had to go to like an event and they were giving them away for free there. So. I don't know if those were leftover that very well possibly could just be leftovers of that that they had laying around. But the fact that only 2,500 people in theory have this book and we've never seen a photo or anybody bring it up online is almost catastrophic to me

[00:49:05] because I've spent so many hours trying to find just any sort of information on ISBN of it or maybe somebody may be bringing it up in like Reddit or a blog or looking on archive.org and going on old websites. There's nothing about this book prize whatsoever on the internet nor the contest winners and who their identities are or perhaps anything related to them talking about the event in like a

[00:49:34] magazine article or anything. I wonder if they even got the prize at that point. You know what I mean? It could be just the fact that they ended the contest and there was potentially no winner to it. When did this end? What year was that? 98? It says in May 1998. So it had to have been like early within series 2000. But again, like you said, like considering

[00:50:03] how long it takes for a Goosebumps book to get made, it probably would have had to be like mid series if they did have kids work on this. See, here's the thing about these Goosebumps contests. Because we talk about these all the time because they're just, I don't know if it was just an issue with, you know, just managing them. I don't know if it was just like they didn't want them to be like a big deal. But many of these contests like are not only so shrouded in mystery.

[00:50:31] Again, many of these we wouldn't even know if it wasn't for your guys' sleuthing. Um, and we're still trying to find out more and more and more about them. And yeah, this is just one of the many ones that for a while and, you know, this one obviously is still unanswered. That's just like we have no idea. They didn't announce anything like and we don't know what came of it. The only Goosebumps contest that I know

[00:51:01] had actual like payoff for the prize was the Fox Kids Goosebumps giveaway from like 1996 or something like that. Um, that was the one that Jack Archer won because he got to be in an episode. He got to be in a Goosebumps book. Technically three. I always bring this up. He was like, you get to be in a Goosebumps book. No, that fucker got to be in three books because he was in a two-parter for Series 2000 and then he got brought back again for the sequel and give yourself a Goosebumps.

[00:51:31] So he was very lucky in that regard. Um, but that's the only one that like for at least for I know, um, we really know anything about like that. It actually paid off. Um, I guess there was something about the chief of creeps 2001 for Fox Kids. That was the other Fox Kids, uh, Goosebumps contest that they did. And I think that was also found by Jude. I actually have a picture of it right here. Yeah. I think that I think I remember the contest winner's name.

[00:52:00] It was featured in a issue of totally Fox Kids magazine. Yeah. Each 13, she was the winner of the chief of creeps, uh, 2000 sweepstakes. And she said she'd be sent to the Goosebumps creature shop to be transformed into ghostly goblins and have a spine-tingling lunch featuring Goosebumps Series 2000 Lunchables with head chief of creeps R.L. Stein.

[00:52:27] So it wasn't the same contest, but funny enough, they ate Goosebumps Lunchables. So. That perhaps lends credence that, you know, they were, I guess, co-promoting because Fox Kids, if you look at like the Goosebumps commercials, uh, compilations, I, I don't know if you have this commercial in one of your videos, uh, Isaiah, but, uh, you'll see the graveyard one

[00:52:55] where they're holding up the bookcase and like, oh, you can buy, uh, with a proof of purchase, you get this bookcase, but they're holding some silver book. Implying that, uh, you know, if you win this contest, you get to have an exclusive story that nobody else has. And you get to go meet R.L. Stein and help them write a book. You know, that would have been the coolest contest to win as a kid, other than the one Jack Archer won. So I think when people hear about the Lunchables contest, they're like, man,

[00:53:21] that sounds like a really cool one to win, but we know none of the winners. It's never. Yep. That's what they held up in the commercial. Yep. Yeah. I wonder if that's the book. I've always thought like, wait, is that the actual thing that they won? Because that would be really cool. That would be cool. I'd love to have a book that looks like that. It says Goosebumps 2000 on it, not Goosebumps Series 2000, which is really hard. This is a brief tangent, but I don't know why.

[00:53:49] I really like this logo that they use for Goosebumps Series 2000. I like how like stringy they made the logo look. I don't know why. I always kind of liked it, but they only used it on merchandise. So it was never on the actual books. So, I mean, that was kind of weird. But yeah, no, I remember actually that was when I started doing the commercial compilations because I've been able to find tons of Goosebumps commercials.

[00:54:18] That was one of the first ones I found, but actually the very first version I found had really shitty audio. And then later down the line is, you know, more people started posting, you know, VHS tapes from recordings. I was able to find a better audio one. But yeah, that's like the only that in the print ad are the only remnants of that contest. And yeah, it just said that like you can help RL Stein write a Goosebumps Series 2000.

[00:54:45] They didn't even mention like the short story or the book save in the commercials. It was just that you could fly to New York and help write a Series 2000 book. So, yeah. Yeah. So it's a very interesting case. Maybe they changed the contest. Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why you haven't seen a book. Maybe they changed that.

[00:55:11] Maybe there was just three winners and they did away with all the other stipulations. But obviously the book save is still a thing because people obviously have them. So there was still a mail away option to get them. But I think what would actually help maybe put the matter to bed is perhaps if we can find in-tech lunchable boxes from the time to get a more general sense of what the contest was actually promoting.

[00:55:38] And supposedly there is a rumor that the winners were kind of mentioned on the back of one. I don't know if that's true. I've never seen proof of it. But I have heard that out there. So until we find it, we can't really speak on it. Hopefully one day, you know, you guys have been able to find a lot of contest winners for Goosebumps. And hopefully one day when we find whoever it was, you know, we can get some clarity on the whole situation.

[00:56:09] Because I'd like to know what... Perhaps one of the people that are listening right now, if you're out there listening, please reach out to Isaiah. Yes, God, please. Literally, please. If you want to hear a video about it. Austin, did I ever tell you that... This is a very quick tangent. Did I ever tell you that when we did our episode on the back of the book advertisements and we got to the What Gives You Goosebumps contest, that one of those kids actually commented on our video?

[00:56:38] Like, out of nowhere, one of those kids just was like, Hey, that's me right there. And I'm like, holy crap! The Immortalized Goosebumps book has to be the coolest thing ever. Yeah, he's a grown man now. And I'm like, oh my gosh. I can't believe that someone from there was watching. They're probably thinking like, oh hey, there I am. Right there. Crazy. But yeah, God, please.

[00:57:07] If you're the winner of this contest and you're watching right now, email us. We'd love to talk. Help us solve this unsolved mystery. Yeah. Robert Stack. If you have any indication of the unsolved mysteries of the Goosebumps Lunchable. Oh, man. Anyway, moving on. Now we have something very, very interesting. You can say it's a piece of merchandise,

[00:57:36] but in the 90s, there were many different Goosebumps audiobooks. In the 90s, they were done by Walt Disney Records. So Disney had their hand on Goosebumps far beyond before the Disney Plus series. But Walt Disney Records did this series of Goosebumps audiobooks based on books in the original series.

[00:57:59] But apparently, now for a while, I personally thought that the rarest of this bunch was Welcome to Dead House, which from my understanding was only sold at the Disneyland attraction. It's certainly a rare one. But as you have found out, Austin, there is apparently another very, very rare Goosebumps audiobook based on a short story. Mm-hmm.

[00:58:28] Yeah, and it has no known origin, but all we have to go off of is one singular image online that was provided by somebody who came forward originally, that they had memories of owning an audio cassette of this story. And you can actually go on archive and YouTube and listen to it. It's narrated by R.L. Stein. It's completely official, and it's absolutely real. It's an audiobook of Spirit of the Harvest Moon,

[00:58:57] which was a short story from the second Tales to Give You Goosebumps short story collection. Now, if I had to guess where this came from, there was a very short-lived magazine from Scholastic in the mid-90s called Thrills and Chills. And if you got these sealed bags that came with the magazine, you'll get goodies inside. And they often came with, like, vampire fangs, little mini books. They came with Goosebumps books from time to time.

[00:59:26] I've seen people get Ghost Next Door, The Curse of the Mummy's Tomb inside of these goodie bags. But normally, you only see, like, maybe, like, the first eight issues sealed. And I can guarantee you that this hypothetical audiobook didn't come out in those. But I have never seen for sale any sealed goodie bag of this magazine post-issue eight.

[00:59:50] So perhaps it was a prize given in Thrills and Chills magazine's subscription bags, which came with all these goodies in each and every issue. If I had to guess, it probably came out later on in the run. And the only reason why I think of this is because the person who came forward on Reddit mentioned that he remembered getting it inside of some bag of sort, like a goodie bag, with a book and some other things in it and a magazine,

[01:00:19] which fits the description of Thrills and Chills magazine. Now, what makes matters worse is besides that one image that you can probably find on Goosebumps Wiki if you want to pull it up now, Isaiah, no known sealed listing ever of this thing online. There is no known other image of it, which in my opinion signals that this possibly could be the rarest form of physical media ever produced for Goosebumps, period.

[01:00:48] If you have this in your collection, you're possibly sitting on a fortune. We just don't know how much it's worth. I'll throw up a high-quality image up on screen here. That's the only image we know of that is possibly associated with it. Going off of, this was discovered by Goosebumps Art, a friend of ours in the Goosebumps community. He posted about this on Reddit,

[01:01:15] and this is where I believe the file was also found. He believes that this tape actually could have come from the Goosebumps fan club, according to another Reddit post. If it did, that would be the first time I'm hearing of that because... Yeah, I was going to say,

[01:01:42] there's no audio cassette that's ever been put in that I'm aware of, and we've covered the fan club packs pretty extensively. See, Isaiah, if you want to pull up a picture of Thrills and Chills magazine sealed, and see if you can find an image, you can see what the packs would have looked like. Here, let me go grab. Let me go grab. We can cut out me getting up here if you want, but I'll grab the bags. I have one here. So, yeah, because I'm reading here on the Reddit post.

[01:02:12] This was from Reddit tip of my tongue, and the author said that he was browsing, and he was reflecting on one of the first stories that ever scared him, and he said that it was possibly a Stein story, and he knows he had a subscription to Goosebumps, and he said he wouldn't be surprised if it came in one of those monthly packages.

[01:02:42] See, if you look at this, this is the magazine, and this is what the goodie bag would look like, and it would be full of stuff, like promotional stuff, like I said, toys and books and what have you. I think that this is probably a good candidate of where it would have come from and originate. I would not be surprised. It could have come from either or. That's the interesting thing, and again, makes it such an interesting mystery, is where did it come from?

[01:03:11] We have access to it. We have the file, and of course, I'll leave a link to the audio file down below for you guys at home to check out, but it is interesting. It's like, where could it come from? Because it's so, I'm honestly, wouldn't be surprised if it did come from that magazine, which would probably explain the obscurity of the availability of the whole thing. I feel like if we were in the fan club pack,

[01:03:39] and maybe he was thinking, that Reddit user was thinking of that, because I would assume that magazine was a subscription-based thing, and if it came with Goosebumps items, you know, I would imagine, and again, the obscurity of it. Matt, like I said, nobody knows the real value of this, and we don't really have any record of somebody owning this physically in their collection. If you have this tape out there,

[01:04:08] and you've had it all these years, please, you know, share it on social of you holding it, and give us, like, you know, how, and story of how you got it, if you remember it, because we're just looking for any bits of information to help piece together where it came from, because obviously it's real. We know that it exists in audio form, and it supposedly has a physical form. You're just missing the origins behind it, and where it came from, and

[01:04:37] for something being this rare, and possibly in the top three rarest Goosebumps items ever made, you know, we as Goosebumps historians and nerds, we want to be able to log this information out there for collectors, and maybe people out there that might stumble across this at a flea market and have no idea what they're looking at, you know? You never know. There could be one out there. Please, by all means. But unlike, fortunately,

[01:05:06] unlike live on stage, we do have the audio file, so we do have the recording, and we do have an image. So we know it exists. It's just a matter of finding it out there in the world. But fortunately, it is, we do have access to it, and hopefully one day we can figure out where exactly it originated from, because I certainly want to know. I'll be the first to admit, you know, before we recorded this episode tonight,

[01:05:34] I had no idea about this either. This was the first time I ever heard about this very thing. So, another, another thing we got to hope our Goosebumps friends out there in the community and our audience can help us solve. Now, we got one more mystery we got to touch on, and unlike all the other ones we've covered so far, this one is relatively recent. It concerns the Goosebumps movies,

[01:06:00] and for those who were following Goosebumps movie news back in the late 2010s, there was supposed to be a sequel to the 2015 Goosebumps movie starring Jack Black that was announced, I believe, 2016. It was pretty, pretty soon after the first movie dropped, and it was teasing that Goosebumps 2 was going to be Goosebumps Horrorland.

[01:06:30] Now, there was a, there was speculation, obviously they announced the sequel right after the movie, God, I even think before the movie came out, they already announced the sequel. They were that confident. Yeah, pretty sure it was before. Yeah, they were, they were that confident it was going to be a success, and to be fair, it was. So, but, they teased that there was going to be a second Goosebumps movie, and then, in

[01:07:00] 2016, 2017, they released a teaser image that was Goosebumps Horrorland Fall 2018. So, again, I'll throw up a high quality image, but this was the teaser image that was posted to social media, and I gotta be honest, when I saw that, I was hyped, because I was like, Horrorland in a Goosebumps movie? Freaking awesome. So, Austin, can you tell us a little bit about what we were expecting from this movie

[01:07:30] when it was first announced? Well, from what I've gathered, you've already mentioned basically all the rudimentary knowledge out there about it. Essentially, they announced this sequel like, right before the original 2015 movie came out, and then once 2015 became a success, it seemed like it was a green light to go ahead and make this Goosebumps Horrorland sequel. Now, digging into information online, I haven't been able to find really anything

[01:08:00] about the script or what have you, but it seemed like somewhere in the developing and concept stage, they decided to pull back from the Horrorland idea because they saw how big of a success Slappy was. So, they wanted to incorporate Slappy into the mix somehow, and what ended up happening was there was some info, you know, apparently some people going back and forth with creative, and then somehow some way,

[01:08:29] the Horrorland idea got scrapped completely, and they wanted to do a more like the 2015 approach to the sequel to be playing it safe and bring back Slappy as the main villain again, and that whole script for Haunted Halloween, which ended up being Goosebumps 2, is a whole different rabbit hole of rewrites and Frankensteining together different scripts, but the Horrorland movie just got cast aside, and we really don't know the exact reason why

[01:08:59] it ever truthfully got cancelled, other than what people have said about Slappy and wanting to include him, which makes sense why it would be cancelled, because Horrorland would be venturing obviously away from Slappy and making him the mascot in the face of the franchise, which, if that's the reason, I want to hear from the creators who initially pitched Horrorland saying that's the case, because I think it would be really fun for us

[01:09:28] to at least know what the movie would have been about and know more about the story involved with it than what we have been given currently about it. I agree. Yeah, and I think that would be a fun little thing to learn and hear from at some point, if the creators would ever step forward and say, hey, I was the one that wrote a concept pitch for it, or I wrote a test screenplay for it, if you want to take a peek at it, here you go,

[01:09:58] but we just don't have any of that. We don't have anything else besides promotional advertisements and some teasers out there about it. I think a poster was also made, and I don't know if that's an official one. I've never been able to really prove to myself that that's a real poster, but there is a Goosebumps 2 Horrorland poster out there that somebody if it's the one that I'm thinking of, I think it was fan-made, but I do remember it was one that was going

[01:10:27] around the time, so this is the one. That one. Yeah, so I do think I want to say that's fake. I do think it's literally taking the Jurassic Park gate. That is the Jurassic Park gate. That is the Jurassic Park gate. For a while, this was going around. This was going around and people were thinking that this was going to be it, and honest to God, I mean, even though I kind of was like, yeah,

[01:10:57] that doesn't look real, at the time, again, I was really, really excited, and it was, I also wonder if maybe the reason that they move forward too is because originally they were saying that the entire original cast from 2015 was going to be returning, so you had obviously Jack Black was going to come back to do R.L. Stine, you had Odea Rush, Dylan Minnette, Ryan Lee, all those, you know, returning actors,

[01:11:27] and honestly, if they were to keep it in the same plot line, it could have worked because 2015 has a, you know, a theme park in the woods, and I don't, I don't remember, I think this might have just been an idea I came up with, but I feel like I heard this somewhere, the idea would be that the Horrorland book would open up and the entire park would come out of the book, I don't remember if that was an idea that I

[01:11:57] came up with, I certainly liked that idea, I feel like that could have been cool, but yeah, aside from that, there's no other information other than the fact that they were essentially going to carry over the cast and crew from 2015 to do this one, and then somewhere along the lines, it just slowly dissipated, you know, none of the kid actors came back, or kid actors, you know, you no longer had Rob Letterman

[01:12:27] directing, Ari Sandel came in to direct Goosebumps 2, and even Jack Black got busy with House of the Cock and its walls, and he would only come to the second movie in terms of like just sort of a glorified cameo, but I wouldn't be surprised if Slappy was one of the reasons they moved away from it, you know, at the time, I was more pissed off than anything, because I'm like, why would you

[01:12:56] skimp on Horrorland for more Slappy, and even at the time, like, you know, you were talking about how it went through so many different rewrites and changes and whatnot, and they went from Horrorland to Slappy Halloween, and I'm like, lame, lame, it was, it was, I don't know, it felt like such a big slap in the face, because Horrorland has not really had a great on-screen

[01:13:25] adaptation yet, the best, obviously, is the 90s series, but even the 90s series, and we've talked about this. that's the only release, because the movie didn't happen, the Disney Plus show only had a clickbait title, there was nothing Horrorland in that episode, so, as far as actual, like, Horrorland PC game, you can look at the Horrorland PS2 game, and I think that if you're looking

[01:13:55] for an expansive open-world Horrorland experience, that's probably the best thing that Goosebumps will have to offer with that. You're not going to get it in terms of adapting the story. That's the thing, it's like the 90s show, like, look, the 90s show episode is fun, I thoroughly enjoy that two-parter, but the Horrorland park is measly, and that's no fault of anyone, it's because of the budget they were allowed. I always said it looked like a crappy

[01:14:25] Christian Bible camp, more than Horrorland. But the thing is, like, a movie, think about it, a movie with all the different kind of effects, because 2015, whether you like it or not, was ambitious in its monster effects, and I'm just imagining, like, how that team could bring Horrorland to life, on the big screen, with a big budget. So it's just such a slap in the face

[01:14:55] that they just got rid of the idea just as fast as they announced it. You know, when I think about it, when you think about building an elaborate set for Horrorland, or maybe going even full-blown CGI with certain aspects, I can possibly see the budget getting out of hand if they wanted to do it like the best justice. So perhaps maybe the finances and the faith in putting all that money into a Horrorland movie was possibly scary as well for Sony, because they're like,

[01:15:24] it would cost them a lot of money, most likely, to do Horrorland, and that's scope. I don't know. I mean, I could see where they would just take shots of an existing theme park, and just even during Halloween time, there's a lot of theme parks, Knott's Berry Farm, Kings Island, and a bunch of others, decorate for Halloween. So just be like, hey, we want

[01:15:54] to rent basically your park for such amount of time, take video shots, and then a lot of stuff can just be added in post-production as far as CG goes to change the rides to fit Horrorland a little better, and then the main ones, they can actually just do on a studio set with a green screen or something. So there's ways, I think, around it. The mirror room, for example, they could

[01:16:24] film that on a set, but when it comes to something like the Doom slide, you can overlay something over it to make it look like this is an actual slide they use as a template, but this is a CGI enhancement that they turned into the Doom slide, so you don't really have to create it from scratch. So you got a point there. Yeah, there's ways around it for sure. I just, I honestly think the Slappy thing is probably what did it. Yeah.

[01:16:53] They couldn't do a Horrorland story and somehow fit in Slappy as the main guy, so they're like, oh no, we gotta have Slappy. Because again, I understand Slappy ended up taking over the mascot spot from Curly and man, Slappy was just everywhere and on everything and honestly Slappy'd out for quite a while to be fair for myself anyway. Just because it was just too much Slappy. Too much. But he was popular

[01:17:23] with kids. That's what was selling. So it made sense. Yeah, the Slappy World books I think came out around that time too. So maybe they were trying to like, you know, help the books out too. Because they're like, hey, we got a book series around Slappy. You know, it seems like Slappy selling all the merch. Why not just double down on them? That's probably what it actually was, to be honest. I think all the rumors are true in some capacity on that. They were just trying to double down on Slappy

[01:17:53] because they know it's that up because it wasn't as big a success. It wasn't as big of a success as the first one, but it was helped by the fact it did have smaller budget, so it didn't have to make that much back. Okay, yes, so it had a budget of $35 million and made back $93.3 million.

[01:18:24] So it had a decent profit, but I can see why, you know, why they didn't continue doing any more movies after that. But I don't know if there can be a Sharknado 50, there can be at least a Goosebumps 3. All right. Well, not that they could do one, but they're probably, you know, firmly in the Disney Plus streaming TV show camp. Well, look at it this way. If they cut back the budget as extreme,

[01:18:55] I'm assuming that the first movie was made with a considerably higher budget. Maybe it was for the best that Horrorland ever got made because if they slashed the budget of $30 million, they probably would have had to cut some corners there than some people would have been happy with. You've still got to pay the actors, you've got to pay the advertising and all that. That's including all that stuff. Well, that's a very odd thing. And again, it just ties into the whole mystery of this

[01:19:24] whole thing. Because the first film, so it's not clear. It says it has a budget. The first film had a budget of between $58 million to $84 million. It made $158 million in the box office. So it was a considerable success. So I'm wondering why the sequel had such a considerably lower budget. It's such an odd choice on the part of Sony because you had a really successful first

[01:19:54] film and then they greenlight a sequel but they don't want to put as much money into it. So I'm willing to bet that you're right. It probably was a combination of they wanted to focus on Slappy and they didn't have the money to bring Harley into life. So just the whole idea kind of collapsed in on itself and then they're like, okay, we need to honestly, that would explain why they relied so heavily on

[01:20:24] calling back to the first film too. because they're just like, well, we really can't do anything else. Like we might as well just do what we did in the first one, just on a considerably cheaper budget. Yeah. And they recycled three monster animations as well to boot. And they were still like the three, one of the three main monsters, Slappy, the snowman and the werewolf. They were all recycled. So yeah, I mean, they're just trying to cut corners to make a quick movie that they think they can make some money on.

[01:20:54] I'm assuming Sony probably had a bad stretch of years. I don't know if they were the ones responsible for the emoji movie, but that could have been around that time. I'm assuming that, or maybe it was after, I can't remember, but Sony probably lost some money on some other movies and they're like, we got to make some money back. So let's just throw a goosebump sequel and make some money for the studio. Yeah. Normally that's why some of this stuff happens the way it does is because they're just trying to throw something out there to

[01:21:24] make back some losses. It's quite a shame. And I've gone on record even saying that I do enjoy Goosebumps 2, but it is a shame that you follow up a very successful movie with a very, I don't want to say low budget, just not as well finely tuned film. I personally liked it because it reminded me of the 90s show in many aspects, but to the general movie

[01:21:54] going public, it probably wasn't the same thing. I know I'm probably in an unpopular camp. I definitely agree with you. I like Goosebumps 2 more than I like the 2015 movie. That was what I was going to say. I personally feel like Goosebumps 2 is more better. I like the first film, don't get me wrong, but I mean, I saw a great video by Nitpix on YouTube that just kind of went into why

[01:22:23] the second film is better. I think it was called Is Goosebumps for Chumps? I think I even showed Nick and Bjorn it. I love that video, but it really was like, wow, that actually kind of makes a lot of sense. I don't see 2018 being a bad year for Sony. Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse. You had Hotel Transylvania 3, which has a popular franchise.

[01:22:54] Equalizer, also a popular franchise. They had Venom, the first Venom movie came out that year, which did well, I'm pretty sure. Then, obviously, you had Goosebumps 2. They had enough hits for sure. Spider-Man is their bread and butter at Sony. Especially now with Tom Holland's Spider-Man being in Marvel. The previous year, they did have stuff like

[01:23:24] Emoji Movie, which was... When did Emoji Movie come out? It was the year before. If that was Sony, then they definitely got hit with that one. Yeah, no, Sony was completely behind the Emoji Movie. They were 100% the culprit. Nick does have a point. Sony did have a lot of hits around that time, so it makes me question, why was the sequel movie to such a smash hit such a considerable

[01:23:54] amount cheaper? Did they not have faith in it? Maybe, you know what, this actually could be some credence here. If they couldn't secure the original cast to come back, because maybe they were only willing to do it if they got paid more money, maybe that's why they slashed the budget back, because they're like, well, we're not paying them, so we're just going to cut the budget down to reasonable prices, because Jack Black, he's working on something else, why are we going to pay this much money for the movie if we don't have to? That's probably why he only had a cameo role to

[01:24:24] begin with, because there was, it wasn't as much money on the table as before for him. I would imagine that's probably the case, because they're like, yeah, we don't have to pay these actors, we can get considerably cheaper actors, and not have to spend so much money, and, I don't know, it's, it's very sad. The effects department got cut back, too. yeah, I like that movie, but those effects were very bad. You can tell. I mean, they literally slashed the

[01:24:54] budget on the second movie for, I feel like it was yeah, it was yeah, not as good a year, it looks like, maybe. But I mean, they did have some good, I mean, Spider-Man Homecoming, Baby Driver, Jumanji released that year, so they did have some hits. Yeah.

[01:25:23] Emoji movie was in 2017, however, but still, you could probably have a flop, but having multiple ones, because also the Dark Tower, which was thought to be one of, you know, probably one of the better movies at the time ended up crashing, because, you know, it wasn't a good movie, really. So, you know, I mean, the Emoji movie, they go on the conspiracy that Goosebumps 2, Haunted Halloween happened because the Emoji movie bombed.

[01:25:54] Well, I have to stick with that now. It's an unsolved mystery. Unsolved mystery. Unsolved mystery. Unsolved mystery. I choose to believe that. But that one definitely seemed like it was a combination of different, you know, I feel like that one's easier to speculate on what the reasoning could be. It feels like it was sort of like a culmination of different factors. characters. But hopefully we can get a concrete answer at some point. And, you know, just why? Why didn't

[01:26:24] you do a Goosebumps Horlian movie? Oh, it would have been so cool. But regardless, there's still hope. I mean, maybe at some point we'll see Disney Plus do a Goosebumps movie. Maybe we'll get something kind of like Are You Afraid of the Dark started to do with their DVD releases. You know, it's like anthology seasons. Same thing. It's just there. You know, have the

[01:26:53] awesome Disney Plus Goosebumps show. I mean, that could be the third season. I mean, as much as like, you know, we've talked about on here, like a camp season or for me as well as I would love like a full Halloween season. That'd be epic because there's a lot of really great Halloween stories that Stein's done. But I wouldn't be opposed to a true Horrorland either because I mean, there's enough stories out there that

[01:27:23] could fill a season with with Horrorland. And by default, because of the books, you could technically have a better story because they've already got it. There's a whole series. You know how Netflix did the first three Fear Street movies? What I think Goosebumps do is that but they can pick different books and interconnect them. And that's what I feel like they should have been doing this whole time is make like three movie miniseries that are connected like that.

[01:27:52] So that way you can feel like you've watched a show but you're actually watching movies as standalone things and you can revisit them as standalone things if you want or as a miniseries. They could pivot to that and they can maybe experiment around with what they want to do. I think Horland would be fantastic to do as its own re-movie miniseries because you can create your own story with that or you can even take the first book and just expand on it. Like a lot of people are up in arms about changing the source material.

[01:28:23] At this point I rather them kind of look at the book and just try to fit something grander into it. You know take Lizzie's book and expand on it. Build on their pre-journey to the park. Build on their journey in the park. More on some things that the book never got to explore. I'm all for changing the source material as long as it adds to the story and makes sense for the adaptation. Obviously

[01:28:54] you're going to have to fluff it up. Exactly. But Horland is such a vast concept for a story. It's a large location with all these different set pieces. Why not make a larger it's not something you can condense into a you know what even I'm going to say some blasphemous here. Even if that last episode of season one was a full Horland going all out there's

[01:29:24] no way I feel like it could have done a fraction of what we wanted to see from Horland in that episode. I really don't think so. Don't have so much time with the final 20 minutes to really showcase it anyway. Exactly. So again just that's why I like the whole rest of the first season I felt was just a jumbled mess because I mean we've talked about that to death so I'm not going to do it now but that is something that they could have set

[01:29:54] up many episodes prior to so that way that last episode could have just been fully you know Horland but if they decide to go this route which I don't think they will as much as I love the idea of how they do it with Fear Street because it's Netflix and Disney's kind of got their own thing now they're two seasons in I don't think they'll change it up for season three to be like that to be a miniseries rather than like a

[01:30:24] three-part miniseries rather than just you know eight episodes which I'm not really sure why season two was shorter as well that's a whole other topic it was actually two episodes shorter than season one but I felt that helped a little bit in some instances but there was just a lot of plot holes that could have been explained if we got a couple more episodes just saying Disney so that said 10 episodes for a whole thing of Horrorland sign me up

[01:30:54] definitely I don't see why they don't see why they won't do it but I'm telling you like I think Horrorland is just cursed you know what would don't think we'll ever get it I think for me it would be like like a like a fever dream if they did a 10 episode Horrorland series but every episode was like an anthological story about a different kid just literally experiencing one of the rides there and all the horrors involved with it I think like you don't like

[01:31:24] the in the video game they had the bumper cars with the electric shockers yeah and the giant just off that right alone I would watch that for 30 40 minutes I mean that's fun or the roller I mean if they did that and then you had granted I don't think they would have different kids every episode but if they did then you could wrap up that last episode by having the kids all together

[01:31:54] and trying to get out of horrorland because that's the way of replicating the first 10 horrorland books without actually taking from the books you can make it like your own thing like you just put these kids into the park and they're all from their own thing and maybe they get connected by episode five or six I think that would be fun that would be a different way to tell yeah that would be fun I just wanted an immersive horrorland experience I think that's probably the best avenue they can go is just immersing

[01:32:23] you into the park the entire time because there's so many places to explore there that you'd be wasting time and opportunity if you're sitting in somebody's house on a park bench talking about love and romance for 30 minutes nobody wants to see that no no one that's again that is probably one of my biggest complaints you don't need love stories and goosebumps

[01:32:53] come on now unless it's unless it's slappy and mary ellen we don't need love stories and goosebumps but um actually there's one more topic I do want to get to I know I said one more before but I forgot um actually the he's a liar uh there's one more topic I want to discuss he's a liar that's one of his better qualities okay mask mutant um no it's the topic of ghost

[01:33:22] writers funny enough what tied into that freaking whole uh johnny blade legal fallout was the prospect of ghost writers but um there have been ghost writers uh particularly on the give yourself goosebumps books that have been discovered um three of which have been discovered carolyn creamy katherine lance and scott westerfield um is there anything on those three that we

[01:33:52] know of so I know the exact ones that have been confirmed so there's um ironically two tales to give you goosebumps short stories that are confirmed and to give yourself goosebumps so katherine lance she has come out and said that she did why i hate jack frost from the sixth tales to give you goosebumps book and she did beware the purple peanut butter which was an early give yourself goosebumps book and then scott westerfield did the last give yourself goosebumps book all

[01:34:22] day nightmare the very last one and i believe uh carolyn crimmie did a story called fun with spelling which i think was in tales to give you goosebumps book three um so those are the ones that we know have confirmed ghost writers obviously the entire goosebumps present series was written by parachute press uh paid writers to adapt the screenplays and if you look at um the names of the people who

[01:34:51] wrote for goosebumps presents they have connections to these confirmed ghost writers with a certain house that i guess i can talk about shortly that has ties to k.a. applegate anamorphs beverly cleary and a bunch of other authors that uh run within this certain organization uh that employs ghost writers um even some of the writers that are in that organization you can find

[01:35:21] openly wrote ghost of fear street uh which was also a parachute press funded um venture that they did so um i totally believe without a shred of certainty uh or uncertainty that give yourself goosebumps i think was a hundred percent ghost written um and tails ebby goosebumps was probably you know maybe ten percent stein and the rest was ghost writers uh i would not be surprised um and technically

[01:35:50] so actually and i took a look um many of these ghost writers uh you know there have been some confirmed titles but uh it looks like uh kath and lance worked on seven total give yourself goosebumps um it's beware the purple peanut butter that we currently know for certain was one of them uh scott wester uh westerfield worked on five and one of those was all day nightmare um so it's very possible that there are even more uh that they had their hand in but obviously

[01:36:20] there also might be some other ghost writers that we've yet to confirm uh and that's sort of the mystery aspect of it all but um the whole controversy of the ghost writers started because stein wasn't allowed to have them on the main series um he was allowed to have them if i'm not mistaken he was allowed to have them on these uh side series these spin-offs so give yourself goosebumps was free reign um but he was being accused of hiring ghost writers for the main

[01:36:50] series i believe as early as why i'm afraid of bees uh they were claiming that he was getting outside help and scholastic based a lot of their lawsuit on declining book sales being attributed to harlstein imploring ghost writers on the main books which caused the sales the dip because he wasn't the one writing them so that was a lot of the controversy there now there's speculation out there there are some books even in the

[01:37:20] original 62 people will read and be like i don't think stein wrote that um there are some iffy ones i'm only going to bring up two here but i think legend of the lost legend and don't go to sleep are two clear examples you can probably read and be like did stein really write that uh doesn't really feel like them but uh but then again you read some of his moderns and you're like you know maybe just maybe he actually did write those but uh i definitely i definitely see that give

[01:37:49] yourself goosebumps as majority of the evidence where ghostwriters are and you know i think the reason why it's controversial now still because a lot of people who are fans and massive fans of goosebumps out there they i guess don't want to to admit that stein had help with the series which i mean when you're a one-man band and you're in theory writing upwards of sometimes three books a month just for goosebumps and then you're doing two fear street i mean

[01:38:18] is that really realistic like you think this man is producing that much content in 1995 by himself a month there's just not this is not believable there's no way there's no way i mean he had help with fear street there was open ghostwriters on fear street ghost of fear streets entirely ghostwritten like i said i think give yourself goosebumps is entirely ghostwritten it doesn't shock me but we just don't know the the exact amount of

[01:38:48] ghostwriters that went about helping we don't know all the confirmed names we don't know how many were employed by parachute because parachute was the was the company financing it but back to what i mentioned earlier about this certain company there was a company back in the day called daniel weiss and associates and you can see them in copyrights of many series that have ghostwriter help on them even i think k applegate was affiliated with that brand at some point which

[01:39:17] had her at one point i think working on a team with katherine lance and i don't know if katherine lance helped write an animorphs book at any point but there's a lot of connections in the inner workings of these writers back in the day and it all seems to come back to little groups like daniel weiss and associates and parachute press because parachute press was obviously a ghost writing syndicate in its own right so we don't know what books there probably is a master list out there on some old you know

[01:39:46] windows 95 computer from back in the day with the lists of people and the stuff that they wrote but uh we just don't have the list and who wrote what and i highly doubt any of them will ever actually come forward because they could probably get in a lot of trouble if they do yeah i i mean the whole thing was the whole issue of ghost writers was a massive spark of controversy for scholastic and stein back then so like i imagine

[01:40:15] if any other news came out publicly honestly i'm shocked that you know anybody came forward and were like oh yeah i ghost wrote for that like i feel like stein probably wouldn't be uh off uh you know off the hook if anybody else were to come out and be like oh yeah i totally ghosted for for goosebumps back then they'd be like what the all the information i believe we know now was i think intended to be off the record where these people were telling you know interviewers and maybe fans thinking that it's

[01:40:44] not going to make it out to the masses but because we're nerds we find out this information that we share with the entire wiki so uh now everybody knows um i don't think that if they knew that everybody would be informed that they would have let it slip but um for example catherine lance when she let why i hate jack frost slip when she revealed that she didn't wear the purple peanut butter she didn't actually name the book she said oh i did the book that involved the peanut butter that's how she

[01:41:14] said it she didn't say the title she saw i did the book that involved the peanut butter uh thinking that that was ambiguous but uh you know this is how they have to give us the code for us to decipher what they wrote but um yeah i definitely think that you know you like you said westfield did about five lance did about seven i want to be shocked if there was maybe six or seven other writers that did that amount as well and made up the entire give yourself goosebumps series um

[01:41:43] and i would love i would love to you know learn the truth about that because these are the people that should be credited for writing these books if stein didn't write them why is he being credited for it that just seems wrong to me that's one thing about this whole situation that i've never been able to sit right with is that stein's taking credit for it and nobody's getting the right acknowledgement that they deserve now granted they got paid their money and they were told you know to hush up about it so they knew with what they

[01:42:13] were getting into but other book series that use ghost writers they get credited at least on the copyright page and so why aren't they being credited here maybe it was because scholastic might have known about it and they were in fear that maybe it would damage book sales if people saw the copyright and like hey wait stein didn't write this yeah you know it probably would have been because if you think about it at the time stein wasn't just

[01:42:42] writing he was also doing commercials for goosebump stuff he was that he was the face too i mean what for a lot of the stuff uh the intros to vhs's uh special episodes whatever and then whatever else he did you know and like they had the the cruise you could be on stein with or write a story with stein everything was stein so imagine back then if this was leaked and like you found out he only wrote 70

[01:43:12] percent of the books or something all encompassing that that that would be damaging to probably not only his reputation to scholastics reputation because it was just he wasn't just an author at that point so i could see where that would be damaging for sure not to say that they shouldn't get their credit now uh because we're so far beyond that and some of these have leaked which if you tell the you know if it's like telling a

[01:43:42] wrestling fan wrestling's fake you better be careful when you you say that stuff out there about stein you know he didn't have ghostwriters you shut up you know they might they might get on you but fact is he had to have had ghostwriters i mean to be fair let's be real i mean like you said this is you look at his busiest year common sense you look at his busiest year of 96 and 97 and you look at the sheer amount of books associated with his name there's

[01:44:11] no way he did not have help i mean there's no there's no way you could produce endless content unless you're an ai bot i mean there's no way you would have to be writing how many maybe like 200 pages a day on three different projects that's insane there's no way yeah uh especially again with his schedule at the time he wasn't just writing books yeah he was traveling he was doing a lot of

[01:44:39] stuff so don't don't don't see it happening but again another unsolved mystery well and hopefully you know we can uh find more of these uh you know lost ghost writers and see if we can give them their credit you know hopefully without damaging any of the the goodwill between uh you know stein and scholastic right now but well you know that nda might still be in effect so we probably will never

[01:45:07] like i don't know like if there's a you know expiration on some of these ndas like but i'm just i'm just thinking if nobody's come out now about it officially there's probably something in place long term where they're never allowed to talk about it yeah it's not closure agreements man they're a doozy they probably signed them as they finished their book you sign an nda you get paid that's how you get paid and then

[01:45:37] you write your next one if they want you to write one that's pretty much how ghost writing worked in those circuits and um i know some information about it because um some of the ghost writers for animorphs if you don't know this about animorphs after book i think 24 the rest of the series was ghost written until like the final two books for ka applikate came back but she let she let the series go to ghost writers and scholastic allowed it there but how she got around it for giving credit to them was she

[01:46:07] would put their the names of the ghost writer in the thank you so the author was allowed to say uh this book is for blah blah blah she would write it this book is for the ghost writer's name that's how she got around it so oh clever yep i think that she did that because she wanted the writers to get the credit she didn't want to just take the credit because she didn't do it she might have helped the outlining the stein might have done with his ghost writers but she didn't she didn't sit down and put in

[01:46:36] the legwork that they put through so well just another or maybe if it's true that like there was a ghost writer for a legend of the lost legend i don't know if i'd want credit for that either so maybe it's not nda they just don't want to fucking talk about it please i don't want me name on that they don't want to damage their own reputations anymore so let that fall in sign he's got enough under his belt it's fine he

[01:47:06] can take a loss here and there me on the other hand i'm not taking that loss i ain't taking credit for that hell no oh man well i guess it's just another mystery that is currently to be left unsolved but you know for every mystery there is someone out there who knows the truth maybe somebody who's watching right now perhaps you robert stack impersonation

[01:47:34] i was hoping someone was going to get that and uh that is going to do it for tonight's episode of the goosebumps crew podcast uh austin thank you so much for joining us and uh talking this awesome uh topic of goosebumps with us absolutely i i love talking with you guys and being part of the goosebumps crew whenever you have me on and uh 100 percent but we'll have me on always to talk some goosebumps and uh you know by all means we're

[01:48:04] always happy to have you on and uh for those of you at home if you want to see us uh talk more about uh topics like this sort of just like the uh unknown aspects of the goosebumps franchise let us know in the comments below uh there are other things that we could talk about uh in terms of like lesser known goosebumps things and uh if you want to see us maybe dive deeper into some of these topics we've uh you know touched on today uh let us know because i i feel like we could probably even do a full episode on any of these so uh let us know in the comments below if you

[01:48:33] want to see more from this but uh for now these are mysteries that are left unsolved and uh we'll solve them mysteries i will of course leave uh links to uh some of the sources that we use today links for goosebumps live on stage uh we'll have uh some of the links for some of the other topics we've covered for you guys to check out and of course i'll leave a link uh for austin's channel goosebumps completionist as well as his podcast goose junkies uh you can go check out all those links are

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