Tune Talk 2.0 - Season 3 Episode 12: Star Wars vs Star Trek

[00:00:03] Episode 12 Episode 12 A chance I become confused. What if I make a new decision? What if the past I chose isn't real? Whatever. Whatever.

[00:00:37] Captain, we're caught in some kind of tractor beam. Open a channel! I sense a presence I've not felt in a long time. Nerds! Ugh, you again. Look, we're not nerds. If we're nerds, you're nerds. Yeah, right. I'm a Sith Lord and you're a bald guy in pajamas. Can you do this? No, because that doesn't make any sense. If people can do that, why does anyone have a gun?

[00:01:06] Oh, because you have to have the reflexes of a Force Master? Oh, so you have to be magic then. That's dumb. Oh, okay, the Force is dumb, but you beaming people all over the place isn't. It's science! We convert a person or object into an energy pattern through a process called demon- Oh, there you go. Yeah, pack your dialogue with bullshit pseudoscience. We don't do that! Sir, we cannot compensate for the gravometric interference. Not now, Geordie. Ugh, I feel like I'm in science class, but I'm getting dumber.

[00:01:33] You want to talk about pseudoscience? Midichlorines then? That doesn't count. How about politics? The Galactic Senate then? Doesn't count either. Oh great, so tell me, what does count as Star Wars? The Clone Wars cartoon and the original three movies. Except the Ewoks. They're done. Oh yeah, yeah, hilarious. Almost as hilarious as Star Trek V. We don't speak of the odd-numbered Star Trek movies. That's weird, because it seems like all you do is talk.

[00:02:00] Your simple shoot-em-up mind just can't handle these complex, nuanced issues. Boring! Oh yeah, your stuff is so nuanced. Be nice to data and don't be racist to aliens. There, I solved Star Trek. It's far more intelligent than your dark side, light side nonsense. Star Wars is like philosophy for children. Yeah, sorry, we have to keep it simple to, you know, move the plot along and have some action. Star Trek has plenty of action!

[00:02:29] Captain, will you be attending my poetry reading later? God. Data, seriously. The only strong Star Trek character gets his ass kicked all the time. Enough! I won't sit here any longer and be insulted! RAAAGH! Oh man, the Force rules! Oh, Warp sucks so bad. Yes, yes. Very funny, Lord Vader, but I'm afraid that while you were prattling on, we were collecting valuable information about your space station and have detected a weakness.

[00:02:58] Target the exhaust port! Fire photon torpedoes! Photon torpedoes? What are those, like, geek-ass proton torpedoes? Your special effects are laid! That's not the point! Yes it is! Endless procedural. You ready, guys? Yeah, welcome everyone to Toontalk 2.0.

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[00:03:57] I don't know if I can hear you. Uh... OBS? Well, because probably you're using a Star Trek technology. If you use the forge, it will be better. Oh, I... How are you today? I'm good! I'm good! It looks like your OBS did that thing it did to me on our last show where, for whatever reason, switch to default and doesn't pick up the person's OBS. Yeah, well, hang on, hang on. Because they're not looking at you right now. I know, but that's what... They're listening to me. Um...

[00:04:24] I wanna tell the audience that we're having some visual technical problems, obviously, because they're using a Star Trek technology. If they use the force, everything will be fine. And that's what this podcast is about. Today's simple and plain. Star Wars versus Star Trek. Before we start, meanwhile Jake fixed the image, even for the people that listen to us in Spotify and iHeart. I wanna make this totally clear. I do not hate Star Trek. I just prefer Star Wars.

[00:04:53] Like everyone here, everyone in their own choice, of course. I'm waiting for a person that will support me today. But as we know, the Sith always came in too. And we don't know where the other Sith is. So probably Alexander will be here really soon. The Oracle, as everybody knows him. Even so, the people are listening to us, believe it or not. Justin, so you wanna say hello to the audience? Hello, audience!

[00:05:23] I'm here. I'm here to talk about Star Trek. I'm wearing my Star Trek uniform today. But I'm also a Star Wars guy. I love my Star Wars. There you go, Nared. The video, thank you for the video that we had at the beginning to the... What made me laugh the most, to be honest with you, was the nerd thing. Because, bro, I'm wearing a T-shirt and a hat at the back. And you guys are wearing fucking Star Trek T-shirts. Fucking nerds. Because we're serious.

[00:05:53] I think it's a long sleeve shirt. I'd like to point out that it's not a T-shirt. It's a long sleeve shirt. It's a long sleeve shirt. Yeah, nerdy boy. You see? That's the difference. I consider myself a half nerd. I get it. I read comics. I used to play Dungeons. I love Star Trek. I adore Star Wars. And... You're a nerd, man. Stop. Stop. I'm an nerd. I'm an nerd, but I don't have a Star Wars T-shirt to talk about a Star Wars. Or the fuck? Hey. To be fair. To be fair.

[00:06:23] The only reason I have this is because of Jake. I'm not even gonna... Oh, I see. I see. You're not something. Wait. You're like Peter against Jesus. You just denied him once and he's been four minutes of the podcast. You're already denying your guy right now. Okay? Okay. I'm just saying I wouldn't have had a Star Trek... Full-bore Star Trek uniform. I have no shame in wearing a Star Trek T-shirt, but the full-bore uniform, that's... That's so much? That's really... That's really... You want to say it?

[00:06:52] No, I get excited every time I put it on. It's fun. I enjoy it. That's what she said. Exactly. Indeed. The only reason I own this uniform was to bust your balls, Star Trek. Star Wars fanboy. Yeah, I remember. Let's be clear about something. You know they made a documentary about you people called Fan Days. Yeah, they... One? One, dude? What are you talking about? To be fair, they made a Star Trek documentary, but they called it Trekkies.

[00:07:23] Yeah, well, let's start from that if you want. What the fuck with that nickname? It's like seriously... It's like bad. What the fuck with Trekkies? I heard it. I was watching something and they called them Trekkers. Oh my God, that's even worse. I know that it's hard if you're a Star Trek fan to not be nerd, but you guys... Can you guys hold it together? A little bit just for the people to start falling into this? Trekkers. T-shirts. T-shirts.

[00:07:53] Eh... Eh... He's a fucking force. I can't pretend I'm cool. I can't do it. I'm sorry. Justin, don't listen to him. You are cool. You're a... Goddamn... Show me your stripes again. I can't remember what rank you are. You're a commander, sir. That's true. You just... You just follow his stupidity, Justin. Do not follow his stupidity. I am not following his stupidity. I'm a Star Trek guy. Your Jedi man and my tricks don't work on me.

[00:08:24] So, okay, okay. But apparently selective Vulcan telekinesis works. Okay, let me say this. I love... Before you do that, I have to cut you off. I want to let everybody know this podcast is brought to you by the Final Frontier Podcast and our friends... Oh, not our friends. Our friend, Debbie Lin, whose book, Revival, book one of the Unveiled Book Series is available now.

[00:08:51] You'll hear about both of those a little bit later on. That's one story that we can agree with as being awesome. There's no dispute of that. We're gonna argue Star Trek, Star Wars, but... It looks pretty sweet. Anyway, continue, please. Good, sir. I choose this guy specifically because every time you say something that I like, I'm just gonna call you pussies. And if you don't like it, right, you can talk to my president. Okay. I don't have to be respectful anymore.

[00:09:21] To that, I would say how many women has Darth Vader had sex with? One, because you just need one through love. What is wrong with you? How many women has Captain Kirk had sex with? Piece of slut. No one knows. There's so many. There's so many. Piece of slut. Always an old man's wife. I'm sorry, but you're over here calling Star Trek fans pussies. But okay, okay. Just right out... No, no. Hang on.

[00:09:45] We're gonna do just a brief rundown of the legitimate sex symbols that have been... Culturally, I'm talking about, that have been part of Star Trek. We got Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock. I'm not even gonna go into DeForest Kelly, because that's debatable amongst fans, but... Certain ones. Patrick Stewart, believe it or not, Patrick. I don't know how. I can't explain it. Jonathan Frakes, Riker, Riker. Riker.

[00:10:14] And believe it or not... Data. Commander Data. Yeah, I know. So... I mean... Oh no, we're not done. For five days. No, wait, wait. Your full concept of Star Trek being better than Star Wars is because Captain Fog more women and you got more sex symbols? Not even close. There's so many more reasons. You are not even going to call me where Jedi is here. One love forever. Let's see. Let's see. Celibate monks or badass starship captains? One love forever.

[00:10:43] I mean, lest we forget... One love forever. You don't need more. Lest we forget Harrison Ford and Han Solo. I mean, come on. Come on. Or Orlando. Hey, check this out. Did you see... Did you see... Orlando. Orlando. Oh, I thought you said Orlando. Orlando. Orlando's not a sex symbol. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. Come on, man. It was a sex symbol in the... Come on. Billy Deebo and you were going to hang on. Hang on. Did you ever need it...

[00:11:11] Did you ever need it to lay the story or if Han Solo has another girlfriend before Leia? No. One true love. Why? Because life is about one true love. Because... Pussies. No, no, no, no, no. Han Solo slutted it up. He was a real sly. Like he... He left the broken story. He's a rogue. He's a rogue. He's a rogue and he likes to calm people and get his way out of with warts. Not having sex with girls. I don't know. Kurt never wants to use sex to leverage a position.

[00:11:40] He just did it because he was there. He definitely used it to leverage a position. You're assuming we know that... Oh, yeah. That... Okay. Don't bring that up. That makes me uncomfortable. What makes you uncomfortable? I lost it. We don't need to bring that up. Oh, please, Justin. Repeat. We don't need to bring up what happened on the planet with all the sick people. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The planet was sick. Yeah. Yeah. That is true. It was uncomfortable. So... Yeah, that was... I just said it was Kirk. Kirk would leverage a position.

[00:12:10] That's all I'm saying. Oh, you know what? Yeah, he has. He has. He has leveraged that. Okay, yeah. Kirk's legit used sex to... Okay. Yeah, he was a... I forgot about Andrea. Which should be fair. Don't blame him for it. But it was a role. That's true. It was the time. It was the time. I'm not gonna blame him for him. I mean, don't take me wrong. I don't dislike Star Trek. I actually like Captain Kirk. I think that Spock is one of the most interesting characters in science fiction ever.

[00:12:40] However, it's not better than Obi-Wan Kenobi. Sorry, my perception. I'm not attacking you. I'm not attacking you. I'm not attacking you. Obi-Wan's a hard case to argue. I will agree. Obi-Wan's a solid character. Because he's one of the few... Can I be honest? But Obi-Wan is one of the few characters in Star Wars that's not one dimensional. No, because he's a monk. Yeah. I mean, he's fairly one dimensional in his... To be fair, they all were though.

[00:13:08] He's a haggard mentor character in the first one. But afterwards, maybe he gets a little bit more depth. I mean, yeah. Star Wars is basically an outline. When you start the first one, you're in the fourth one, right? Yeah, yeah. Sorry? Yeah. I say no, when you're in the fourth one... That's another thing. Well, actually, we can't talk about going out of... I can say that first Star Wars thing. Yeah, you cannot talk about going back in order on disorder, my friend. You can't go through that. For a while, we could until 2005. Then... Then Star Trek went back in time.

[00:13:36] You know, talking about going back in time, it's so hard to be monitoring myself in a way. It's like weird. I don't know if you guys have a monitor in front of you. Either way, I digress. Favorite thing about Star Trek? Just name one. What are you doing, bro? What are you doing? Stop playing with the machinery.

[00:14:07] Oh, bro, but that's your ideas. Cover up. You're talking about... You know, again, for the audience that is watching... Sorry, we apologize for the people that are listening while Jake is playing with his microphone again. Okay, come on now. So everyone in the web universe is allowed to see his computer and how it works. So we're going to look at us. All the behind the scenes stuff. Oh, sure. Yanky boy. You sure you want to share that? Oh, there you go. Anyway.

[00:14:37] So, Justin, favorite thing? Favorite simple thing about Star Trek? For me? Yeah. I love the fact that it's goofy and silly as fuck. That's my favorite bit about it. Goofy and silly. But I love silly shit. I love silly shit. It's hard for me to take guys who dress like this seriously. I also enjoy... The strike two, Jake! To be fair, I also, because I'm watching the show kind of clean, I've never seen it before, I enjoy a lot of the mystery.

[00:15:07] I don't know these episodes. I've never seen them. So there's a lot of times where, like, legitimately there's a good mystery here and there. I like a good mystery of the week when it comes to television. Otherwise, I'm not a big Star Trek guy. I know the outfit may mislead you. I'm more of a Star Wars guy. I grew up with Star Wars. Star Trek already? It just took me, what, seven minutes and a half to make him deny Star Trek? I was fixing my microphone. But, like, also, to be fair, doing The Final Frontier has been an experience of discovering I love Star Trek.

[00:15:37] So, like, that's kind of what it's been for me. So, for everyone, when he mentioned doing The Final Frontier, my two amazing nerdy co-hosts from today, they have a podcast called The Final Frontier that is every weekend? New episode's debut on Monday night. Monday night. So you gotta go and check it out, The Final Frontier. Beautiful name. Amazing. Amazing name. Fantastic.

[00:16:07] Okay, you were right. I've already admitted that you were right. And I never, ever, I never threw any shade toward the theme song. That's been awesome since day one. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I will, my last words before dying, I'm saying, Jake. I chose that name. And then I'm gonna die. So, get used to it. I'm gonna keep repeating it. I've never. Oh, okay. Other. Once it was decided, I admitted. It is decided.

[00:16:37] It is decided. It is decided. No, I mean, favorite single thing about a Star Trek single thing. Then we're gonna go to deeper. But favorite simple thing about a Star Trek. If I can actually summarize what I love about Star Trek in one, more than anything else, in one word, and that is principle. Right.

[00:17:03] Star Trek, through in every single series, there are multiple episodes where our characters are put through or put into situations that are not black and white, cut and dry. And yet, the ideals put forth in Star Trek are, I don't mean black and white in a bad way, but there is a measure of good and evil.

[00:17:26] Now, one of my favorite episodes of all time, though, is an episode of Deep Space Nine where Ben Sisko probably dances across that line more than any other Star Trek character ever has. And it's such a great episode, but because of how at war he is with himself over his principles and the necessity of the situation, because turns out war is messy. Okay? It's true.

[00:17:52] So, just, just, I just want to make a comment for the people listening to us. You see, that's what happened with a Star Trek. Like, you ask them a simple thing and they took 35 fucking minutes about how big and great their show is. Well, ask me what my, ask me what my favorite thing about Star Wars is. That's not your thing. I'm asking about a Star Trek. You want to ask about a Star Wars? I can give you an answer. What's your favorite single thing about Star Wars? Hero's Journey. Okay, but that's just, that's just. No, no, no, but that's my single favorite thing.

[00:18:20] That's my single, the hero's journey of even Chewie. Single journey about R2D2. R2D2. Obviously, Han Solo. I'll do that again. Obviously, Luke Skywalker. The hero's journey of Leia. Everyone has their own past. And maybe it's because I used to love Dungeons and Dragons so much. And, but that's the individuality of the hero's journey. That's my thing with Star Wars. Even, I mean, everybody loves that.

[00:18:50] Probably my favorite villain is Darth Vader in the freaking. Maybe, maybe Lucas from the American Gaster. I love him more. But besides that, yeah, the hero's journey is my thing. I mean, let's be honest. Go ahead. I was just gonna say, I would make the argument though that Star Trek also has the hero's journey. Like Kirk certainly goes through a hero's journey throughout. The part of the problem I think with Star Wars is that's mostly movies.

[00:19:19] I guess there are some shows at this point, but. Not anymore. Yeah, that's true. Not anymore. And not necessarily in a good way. I mean the, and we said in the little sketch at the beginning, we're gonna talk about the first three movies. Right? And the animated series. Andor is really good though. Andor is really good. I've heard. I've heard it's really good. I, I watched about half of the first episode. And you thought it was too slow.

[00:19:48] I, it wasn't that it was too slow. It was that like every moment leading up to that show, I kept asking the question, who the fuck is Cassian Andor? And I, I, and I had no idea who the fuck he was and why I should care. Because you had to do homework. Cause I had to do homework. And then I was like, oh, he's that one random guy from Rogue One, an all right Star Wars movie. Like I was like, hold on a second. Hold on a second. But I've been trying to be nice here and I'm not attacking your fucking nerdy show. Hold on a second.

[00:20:18] I mean, is the responsible. Andor is a nerdy show. Is the responsible. And he gave his life for, to have an opportunity. So are you saying that every person that going to war and sacrifice their life for the freedom to go on is just a guy? Come on. No, because it was, it was Mr. Spock himself who said the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the many. The needs of the few or the one. Yeah, he's a fucking insensitive guy. Then why'd he sacrifice himself for the entire crew?

[00:20:48] Not knowing that he was going to be resurrected. Spoiler alert for Star Trek three, the search for stock. Can the three of us jail can in the right tone? Right? One, two, three. No, no, no. You got to do the face first. You got to. Well, one thing we were doing the original, right? Not the new one. All right. Yeah. We're we. Okay. Listen here. After Star Trek 2009, we don't talk about that shit.

[00:21:18] Because they're trying to be way too Star Wars and it doesn't work for them. Are you seeing the seat boards just to touch your little fibers everywhere? No, I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at JJ Abrams for trying to be Star Wars and it's a different. It's different. Now. So you don't like this is this surprise to me. You don't like the new movies. I mean, probably. I love. I love 2009. The first remake. The other two are dog shit. I mean, they're just bad movies and they're wholly unrepresentative of Star Trek in spirit.

[00:21:49] As the non Star Trek guy, the second one very, very much made me go. This doesn't feel right. Because it's not. This doesn't feel right. But also like it has Robocop in it. Who's not? Who doesn't love Robocop? Well, he got Thor in the first one, but. That's a fair point. That's surprising because he actually likes the new movies. I don't love them, but I like them. The first one I'm with you. The first one I really like. Yeah. The first one I love. If you're going to twist it.

[00:22:18] Don't do it like that. Right? Okay. But it's funny because you bring up the second one because we literally like yesterday, the episode we did about cons episode went up. So we talked, we talked, we talked about the Benedict Cumberbatch con and just how. It's frustrating because there's a way they could have made it work. Yeah, but you know what? I think they didn't said because. It's like, and I don't want to go deep on this.

[00:22:43] It's like when the guy from Game of Thrones, the small person got really angry at Snow White because they put animation. Right? It's like we have this much opportunity to be in a movie. Right? And the only place that I could be as a dwarf is be one of the seven drawers for Disney. Right? And he was really upset with that. The only Latino that hit mainstream in science fiction was Ricardo Montalban. And I actually hate it that they put an English guy.

[00:23:13] Oh, okay. Oh, that's totally fair. That's totally fair. Like, like, dude, that was our villain. Ricardo Montalban was our Latino villain. Well, to be fair, he was playing an Indian man, but. No, no, no. I'm talking about the Latino. Well, he wasn't played an Indian man. He's very much positively identified as an Indian Sikh. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Sorry, you mean as an Indian from, not from India? No, from India. Dot. Dot, not feather.

[00:23:43] Where did you get that from? From the episode, he's identified as Indian Sikh. And plus his name, Khan Noonien Singh. Yeah. Now, he did play a Native American in that episode of Bonanza that one time. Yeah, yeah. He was an amazing actor. That's brownface. That's brownface. Let's be honest. If somebody asked me if I want to be in real life in a Star Wars and die really fast in a ship or being a Star Trek and be the soldier, I definitely would prefer to be in the fantasy

[00:24:12] land with Mr. Rourke. What? You mean you don't want to be killed by a Gorn? No. What's wrong with you? I want to be in Star Wars just for the opportunity to perhaps use a lightsaber. Like, I don't know. Being a Jedi is super rare. I should take it up and turn it on. That's all I want to do. Yeah, you just want to touch it. Like, I feel like Captain Kirk would have a hell of a time with a lightsaber. Say that again? I feel like Captain Kirk would have a hell of a time with a lightsaber.

[00:24:40] Like, that would just be super fun for him. Actually, I think that the only one that's supposed to get a lightsaber was supposed to be Bones. That if everybody followed this, he's my favorite character. Because he's sarcastic. He's funny. The situation is like shit and he goes with a cool thing to say. And that goes more with my personality. I actually, Justin, I was going to bring this up, but I'll bring it up now. So like we have when I was younger watching Star Trek, the original series, I was very much into Mr. Spock and Captain Kirk.

[00:25:09] But on this rewatch as a man in his late 30s, I'm really, really loving Bones on screen. Like it's a trip. And Bones is the only character that holds in every movie in the TV show, the character and in the new movies. He's not in every episode. No, no, no. But what I'm saying when he's there, right? He likes the show in whatever version, whatever actor. I mean, the character. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Nobody. Yeah.

[00:25:39] Nobody has ever been like, I didn't really care for Bones in that episode. I also, I, to, to go back real quick to, to, um, uh, uh, oh my God, the Rogue One guy show and or to go back to Andor when it comes to start, you're like, I've discovered this about Star Trek. I really enjoy the nuanced discussions we have when we do Star Trek. Um, I'm not, I'm not looking for that from Star Wars.

[00:26:05] I'm not looking for a breakdown on the atrocities of war about my universe with space wizards. I'm just not looking for that from that. So I think that's maybe why I don't enjoy that show as much as I do the Obi-Wan show where I get to watch E. McGregor and Darth Vader fight each other, even though it makes no sense. Like, I think I just, I, that's what I'm looking for from Star Wars. I'm looking for different things from these franchises. I don't know. Yeah. They're very different shows. Like they're very, very different drastically.

[00:26:32] Like I would be very disappointed if in the middle of a lightsaber duel, Obi-Wan just goes to Darth Maul. He's like, why are we fighting? Yeah. If you're part of the ethics of our, you and I, we're not so different. Perhaps you saw my coming here as an invasion. You know what? The only thing that they have in common is the space. That's how I mean, really just about. Yeah.

[00:26:56] Well, and the fact that the enterprise would just wipe the shit out of any ship in Star Wars. Really? Could the enterprise take down the Death Star? Probably because as we've seen the enterprise can withstand a nuclear blast. True. Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, what? You got a big green laser. We got photon torpedoes, bitch. Yeah. That was really funny. Right. What kind of Jedi send photos on an email? What?

[00:27:27] Why can a Jedi send photos on an email? Oh, why can't? I thought you said what kind? I'm like, I don't know. Why? Because attachment is forbidden. Oh, I got thumbs. I make a research. I got thumbs. Right. I once had a Wookiee steak. It was a little bit chewy. Sorry. I'm here. I'm here. Oh, yeah.

[00:27:56] I mean, what's Darth Vader's favorite favorite dinner? What? Obi-Wan cannoli. Yeah, this this this podcast is gonna go down really bad. I'm all like the bad dad jokes. How? How do you call a seed lord that likes to buy stuff? I don't know what I shop in mall.

[00:28:25] I don't know. I don't know. I'm not down for Star Wars right now. There hasn't really been anything that's like, tweak me and the one thing that did everyone hated. So like, I got I got one. What did the Klingon say to the Earth ship? I don't know what. I don't know what. Hey, it's funnier in the original. That's funny. You know? Yeah. It's funny. Luke Skywalker got to Mos Eisley. Uh, and a speeder. Ewoks.

[00:28:59] Technically, that's how three P.O. got to Mos Eisley because they carry. That is a Star Trek sense of humor right there. Very dry. Luke. Just like Tatooine. I need to make a Darth Vader dose. We need an special effect so I can have a Darth Vader voice. Luke, I know what you're getting for Christmas. No, that's impossible. How could you? I have felt your presence. Sorry.

[00:29:30] I will say Star Trek does not have like what does it have? I guess it doesn't really have one of the most iconic twists of all time. That's that's it's debatably the most iconic pair comparatively. That's true. I'll give you that. Although Captain Kirk did ask God why he needed a starship that one time. Not really. Yeah, Star Trek five the final frontier. We don't talk about that one either. Uh, is that the one with space whales?

[00:30:00] No, that's four. That's a beautiful movie that is beloved by the fandom. Which one? Which one? Star Trek for the voyage home. Yeah, it's a good movie. It's funny. Answer me this. Answer me this. When was the first episode of a Star Trek got released? Which was the first movie? The first episode. Uh, what? The first broadcast episode was in 1966. September 8th, I believe. Yeah.

[00:30:28] So, I mean, probably, probably George Lucas was a little influenced, you know, influenced by that. Probably to a point, but then to be fair, like run it back. So, the only reason, one of the main reasons that Star Trek the motion picture and therefore the subsequent Star Trek movie franchises even exist is because of Star Wars. Oh yeah.

[00:30:47] They were gonna make another television show, but then because of the financial success of the first Star Wars movie, it was, I can't remember if it was one, I think it was two years later in 1979, they decided to make it into a movie. And the movie was successful, but they call it Star Trek the slow motion picture for a reason. Yeah. Yeah. It was like, that movie's known for its long, arduous, I'm looking forward to it, establishing shots of the Enterprise, I'm gonna make fun of it so much.

[00:31:16] I'm looking forward to it. Whoever did the wardrobe should be not just fired, which they were fired, because the wardrobe improved substantially in the Rack of Lufkan. Is that where the Rack of Lufkan probably is my favorite movies, my favorite movie. It's by Star. So stoked. I'm not gonna lie. I'm very excited to watch that. Isn't the Star Trek one uniforms, isn't that what Zap Brannigan's pantless uniform on Futurama's making fun of? No.

[00:31:45] Although, I mean, okay, so obviously they're wearing pants, right? I think Zap Brannigan's uniform is actually making fun of the female. If there is a direct joke, it's probably making fun of the women's uniforms in the original series. The, uh... Sorry, I read a joke. Skin, skin tight, oddly fitting, like, unitard uniforms are what you see in Star Trek, the motion picture.

[00:32:13] They're all, like, light blue, beige, and white, and, like, really, really seafirm green. That doesn't really make any sense. They're not color-coded like they were. Were these... Was this iconic by the time that first movie came out? It would have been, yeah. It was. It was. It was? I mean, I wasn't right, but... Why change the uniform at all?

[00:32:39] Because they needed to sell, like, when they sell, uh, change the uniforms from the NFL or the Major League Baseball, they need to sell more. Yeah. Uh, let's be honest. What is the worst enemy in Star Trek? It... that depends on what point in time, because a lot of those enemies... The worst one ever, ever. It's hard to say, because your first inclination might... probably the longest enemy they ever had was probably the Romulans, but... Think about the answer. This is some of the knowledge-shake. I am.

[00:33:11] Um... Long-jip. My answer to that would be, what do you mean in terms of worst? I mean, worst in terms of, like... Like, the worst in everything. Like, the worst... The worst... The most evil. The worst. I would have said the Borg. I mean, the Saddam Hussein... Yeah, probably the Borg. But even then, they defeat the Borg. You can make... You can make an argument for the Founders, but once they defeat the Founders, they kind of become docile. The Klingons eventually become an ally, as do the Romulans, so it's really kind of hard to say. And which one is the worst enemy?

[00:33:38] I don't agree with that, but I will tell you who's the worst enemy from Star Trek. But what about the worst enemy in Star Wars? I mean... The Empire? The Empire? That's it. I would have said the Empire. You know, actually, the worst enemy of Borg is Disney. As soon as they bought it, they fuck it up really bad. Disney doesn't own Star Trek. Uh, actually, my friend is owned by Paramount, right? Correct. And you know who owns Paramount? Paramount. Paramount.

[00:34:08] No, sir, you know who Paramount is part of. Paramount. The same line of... Paramount is not owned by Disney. You wanna bet? I do. You wanna bet? Just go and look at all the companies that is owned by Disney and the distribution deal that manage all the Paramount deals is part of Disney. I'm pretty sure Paramount is Time Warner, owned by Time Warner. Yeah, everything is connected nowadays, bro. Sorry. Paramount is owned by National Amusements Incorporated.

[00:34:38] Okay, I'm gonna show you. I don't wanna open my computer and stop the thing, but... Uh, just keep talking to me while I look for it. No, I'm literally looking at it. Okay, just keep talking. We got people listening to this, fucking nerd. I'm just saying, like, no. I was just saying, I'm pretty sure they're definitely competing, they're certainly competing streaming services, that I can say. No, but the streaming services, I'm talking about way, way more profound like that.

[00:35:05] Uh, like, the streaming services are, are not even my train of thought, you know? The, uh, the, uh... Yeah, no, bro. I'm actually talking about the, um... I just wanna be like there's a nefarious to all of. And then Max got together in that relationship is because they shares the company. I've been looking deep into shares of the companies right now. But Max isn't... Warner Brothers Discovery doesn't own Paramount, though.

[00:35:33] Oh, that'd be wrong about... Mmm... Keep talking, keep talking, I'm reading this. Like, I'm just, I'm telling you, it's... Paramount, Paramount is not owned by Warner Brothers Discovery or Disney. Okay, you know what? Fuck you! I'm just saying, like, it's... It's a factually true statement, because the first... Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Well, because Paramount also owns Nickelodeon and Disney would never let that puppy go if they owned it. Yeah, that's a very valid point, actually, yeah.

[00:36:03] Nor would they let go of Star Trek, because say... And Star Wars is the same way, right? But say what you will, like, Paramount will never let Star Trek go. The only way Paramount's letting go of Star Trek is if the company itself is sold. If Disney owned Star Trek or Paramount and they owned Star Trek, there would have been a Disney-Star Wars crossover. No, I don't think that will never... They wouldn't do that. Seriously. If you came in with the money they'd make, they would absolutely do that. Certainly there'd be a comic book somewhere. Yeah, but think...

[00:36:33] Well, there's already a comic book somewhere. But think about... Think about the fan fallout of that, though. Like, you can't even make a Marvel movie anymore without people being like, well, actually... I mean... The keyboard revolutionaries, I'm sick of that people. I know a lot of them follow us, but shut the fuck up. It's like people don't like anything anymore. Well, no, if it's a bad movie, you can critique it, but don't just be like, it sucks. Because... Yeah, exactly. You've got to critique... Get your facts right, right?

[00:37:03] Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. True. Actually... Keep going. It's just a fact. Actually, it's been proven that the whole reason that Disney purchased Star Wars was because they wanted to kill it from the inside. Mr. Restore's stake at the company are controlled by them. However, the stock market is... In the stock market... Oh!

[00:37:30] I found that the New York Times released that information. The owner of Paramount, Red Storm, the shares, they have control of Paramount, but the other shares are bought by Disney. Disney, I can read this. But they don't own it. You don't own it if you're a shareholder. Shit! Bro, I'm not going to say this because we work together. Everybody in the shareholder are owners.

[00:37:57] Right, but that doesn't mean you have any say whatsoever or any ownership value. I don't know about that. Okay, if you're not the majority owner... So, like, yeah, let's say that Disney, through stock purchases, owns 10% of Paramount. That doesn't give them the right to use the characters in any way, shape, or form. Yeah, stockholder rights are very different from licensing rights. Yeah, that's not... Yeah. Okay. And... I want this to be saved, people, because if one day I sell a company and Jake asks me for more money, I'm going to say, fuck you, you're just a stockholder.

[00:38:27] No, I'm not saying they wouldn't be entitled to financial compensation if Paramount was sold, because the value of their stock would be reflected in that. But only when they sell the stock. Yeah, the difference between that and IP rights as well. Yeah, yeah. Because Disney does not own Star Trek because they do not own Paramount. They can't be like, yes, we're going to bring Captain Kirk into the Star Wars universe. That would be crazy, dude. It would. If they do that, like you say, it would be a nightmare for everyone. Yeah, I agree.

[00:38:57] Like, we can... I'd watch it. Some things should stay separate. Oh, I'd watch it, but the whole time... I'd watch it. I'd watch it. The whole time I'd just be like... I don't know. Imagine how boring it will be in one area and how exciting it will be in the other, and then you switch it, then you have the fucking console talking bullshit, and then it's exciting over there, and then Yoda, I'm going to fight Dr. Spock. How the fuck that fight will go?

[00:39:22] Are you telling me you don't want to see Kirk do some Kirk-fu up against Darth Vader? Darth Vader will kill him. He will kill him in three seconds. I just don't want to see him try. That's true. They're like... You can drop kick Darth Vader. You know what? Let's contact our friends, Bat in the Sun, so they can make a Star Trek versus Star Wars one. That would be funny to watch. Speaking of Bat in the Sun, have you seen Darth Vader versus Batman?

[00:39:51] It's one of the best short films that they have in Batman. It shouldn't work? When I met the owner in... But it does. It should work since the idea, bro. It's like... I know, but it should not work. You know what? Actually, as I know them, I'm going to ask them to... So next episode, we can present it over here. They wouldn't have a problem. Let's not ruin it for the fans, and we can present the alternative ending. Have you seen the alternative ending? Not the alternative, no. Oh, man.

[00:40:20] It's such a good production. Bat in the Sun, hello to everyone there. They're really, really, really, really, really good production companies that make this competition for fan base, and they lay the fans vote who's going to win or who's not. And it's fantastic. They have Wolverine against Deadpool, Spider-Man versus Batman. They have any kind of ideas. The Green Ranger versus Scorpion. Yeah, like they have so many, and they're represented so good.

[00:40:50] Is that the one where at the end of it, the Green Ranger turns out to be Jason David Frank? He takes off the helmet, and it's actually Jason David Frank? Or is that a different one? No, that's it. That's the one. Oh, that was so good. Oh, you know those guys? Oh, that's awesome. They're really good. Yeah, I met them in a Comic Con. What a bad experience for me in that Comic Con. So we were invited for a movie that I was producing, and it was the first one. And everybody knows that I'm not a guy that gets nervous in front of people. However, this time I'm not singing.

[00:41:18] This time I'm not, I'm there to answer questions for the fans. And that actually makes me nervous because in a point even I wrote the story and I'm directing the movie, I'm like totally blanking in the story that I wrote, right? The story that you know, Justin, because you play a part in the audio book. I'm blanking. Like I'm asking my assistant, so what's the name of that? Like, and I'm so into this. And then I see this huge silence. No, this silence in front of me. I go like, what?

[00:41:48] What? The silence is going to move. And I go like, Stanley was standing behind me, waiting instructions. And he walked. I got the chance to talk to him and I was concerned talking to somebody else. And he was like right there waiting to go to the other panel because they put you into the same aisle, right? To throw you. So yeah, I suck into that, bro. It's like, hey, that's it. Because I missed, I miss it. So yeah, I could have a chance to talk to the leg and. Yeah.

[00:42:16] The thing that we're supposed to be debating, aren't we? Oh yeah. Sure. But we're friends. We all know. But I'm just saying we're over here. We're over here. It's two against one, bro. We already know that. I mean, you're ready to keep up. I get it. Hey, that's all I'm saying. I feel like I'm more balanced. I like both Star Trek and Star Wars. I like them both, but I've just, I've never been as big of a Star Wars fan as I am a Star Trek fan, which is why. That's part of your personality. I think you like to be a nerd boy.

[00:42:45] I never had a problem with it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My condescending answer, which is like when I was a kid, I really loved Star Wars. But now that I'm an adult, I like Star Trek. And exactly when you guys start thinking I like it too, the Oracle appears as we planned it. Because Sith Lords would never come separate. There's always two. You know he's going to say Star Trek is better, right? You think you know he's going to say that? No, no, actually.

[00:43:13] Because we talk about this and he's here invited to support Star Wars. And hello, you're on mute, Oracle. How are you today? I'm so good. I'm assuming he's good though. I'm good. I'm good. I'm just going to make his voice. I'm so good. I'm so good. I'm so good. I'm great. You're on mute. There you go. There you go. Oh, here he is. Hi, Oracle. This is the Oracle. How are you to be late?

[00:43:42] That's okay. It's okay. We prepare it like that. You showed up like Han Solo. Nice. So before we go back to that, that we have the Oracle here really, really fast. The productions that they have done. Aaron, that is a guy that I know in Back of the Sun. Dark Justins in 2003. They make Dark Justins short film. Patient J, that is the Joker. Batman Legends and City of Scars. And the Seats of Arkham. Batman.

[00:44:12] That's just the shows that they make in short films. They're not the battles that I'm telling you guys. So if you can go and check them out. Battle from the Sun. Oracle, don't worry that you're here a little late. They already know that Star Wars is better. Right? They already accept it. Never admitted that you were wrong about Disney. You're wrong about this. So fuck you. Better is such a strong. 50 fucking episodes and I make one mistake. You're like an ex-wife. 50 fucking episodes.

[00:44:42] 50 fucking episodes. I will never forget this. Ever. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like what is the name of your podcast? Every time, every time you say- Which one? Every time you say that something is owned by someone, I'll be like, oh, you mean how like Disney has stock in Paramount? First of all, dude, listen to me. I'm going to find that research because there's a connection in the church. There's no connection. There's none. Oh, there's a connection. There's a full article in the Times and I'm going to find it for you. I'm going to post it everywhere. Just point and help-

[00:45:10] Because the New York Times has never been wrong about anything ever. Hey, shut the fuck up. You're not going to mess with my homies, okay? At the New York Times? These two minutes are sponsored by New York Times. Sorry. You have to pay money to read the news. Yeah, that sucks. That's what I couldn't say. Hey, Alexander. Alexander. Yeah. Why does Princess Leia kept their hair tied up in buns? Why did you- So it doesn't hang so low.

[00:45:41] Oh, nice. Well done, sir. Nice. Nice one. Nice one. So, okay. Let me ask you guys because as we've been talking about this, I've been thinking about this. I'm like, I'm not really stoked on anything Star Wars related, but I'm really stoked on stuff from Star Trek. Like, there's that Grogu Mandalorian movie that's coming out that I could care absolutely less about.

[00:46:07] Like, I'm just saying, like, there's nothing about- and I love Star Wars, don't get me wrong, but there's just nothing coming out of that franchise. Okay. First of all, this show is supposed to be for 18 people and older. You fucking kid. That's your problem. You are too young. That beard made you look older, but you are too young. How you cannot be stuck about what's happening since 1977 with Star Wars? I want to know it's the new shit. The new shit's bad.

[00:46:34] The last thing that I was excited for, the last thing I was excited for was the Acolyte and they canceled that. So, but I'm like the- You see how old you are? You think Star Wars is the Acolyte? That's the worst shit we haven't done. I like the Acolyte and I was- it was a part of the universe I was interested in exploring. So, this is really interesting that you say that. So, probably the old generations were wrong and Disney is doing the correct thing because it's actually getting you to like- wait, wait, wait, Jake. Because you're older than Justin.

[00:47:04] Hold on a second. I didn't like the Acolyte. Nope. You didn't like the Acolyte, but Justin liked the Acolyte. I just wanted the Acolyte. So, you're saying that your team actually is wrong? Well, but my- okay, here's my justification for like the Acolyte is like, I'm bored of Skywalkers. Like just outright bored by it. I don't want to see Luke Skywalker or anything. I don't want to see anything from that period of time.

[00:47:29] I want to see stuff in the old Republic or like the High Republic or like as far away- I don't want Luke Skywalker or any of those guys to show up. I get what you're saying, but how do you call a rebel princess who only shops at Whole Foods? I don't know what. I'm like, Lee Organic. Sorry. But yeah, that's why I'm interested in the act. Like, I'm not interested in The Mandalorian because I don't want bad CGI Luke Skywalker to show up.

[00:47:57] Like, the minute bad CGI Luke Skywalker showed up, I was bored by that show. How old were you when you watched Star Wars? The Last Hope? The Last Hope? Six or seven? And you didn't feel thrilled about it more than the way that you feel about a Star Trek? Oh no, I love original Star Wars. That's to me the best Star Wars. That's what we're talking about. So here's the difference though. At the beginning of the show, we're talking about the triumphant animation. The rest is bullshit.

[00:48:23] Well, not Andor and the movies. I love the prequels. Like, I love the Star Wars prequels. I love prequel apologies. So, 100%. Well, your position got a lot easier to maintain after the sequel trilogy came out. Then you were like, ah, see? Not that bad. We were talking about something the other day. When the first, the second, I mean with the trilogy, the second trilogy came out, right? The one, two and three.

[00:48:52] A lot of fans went really ugly and disgust about it and criticized so bad. But, but guess what? Now that we look at them, actually people like them. And they go to the simple, oh, well, they're better than the new ones. Yeah, of course, but your perception is that you're older motherfucker. Oh, they're way better than the new ones. But you see, it's a different generation. It's a different generation.

[00:49:17] I mean, where did Luke get his cybernetic hands in the second kind of story? He's going to get us every time with that. Yeah, he's going to get us every fucking guy. He got it in the second kind of story. See, that's the thing. That's the Star Trek in me. He asked me a question. I'm like, well, wait, what? He got it. He got it in the rebel medical ship. And then he hits me with a joke because Star Wars is a fucking joke. I, my, my thing. Okay.

[00:49:44] My thing with the new ones is I like elements of those. But yeah, I like, I like the elements of them that people hate. So I like, cause I like the fact that those movies are trying to be subversive. But like, I think the problem with those movies is they took Star Wars too seriously. George Lucas said this once, and I think people sort of forget it, that Star Wars is meant to be for children. And like, I love Star Wars episode one when I was 11 and that movie first came out. And I was 11 years old.

[00:50:13] I fucking love that movie. And angry guys who look like me, um, made me hate that movie. Can you go deep in angry guys that look like you? Oh, like, like nerd incels who can't get out of their mother's basements, who just complain about, you know, those guys. Yeah. They, they made an entire documentary about how that movie was bad called the people versus George Lucas, which like convinced an entire generation that those movies were bad. But like when I was 11 and 12 years old, I love that movie. Like genuinely.

[00:50:43] Like I, I love episode three. It's my, my, probably my second favorite out of that trilogy. Well, episode three, the, the, which one is that? I'm confused. Revenge of the Sith. Oh, the Revenge of the Sith. I love Revenge of the Sith. You know, I, I, I love that movie. I don't want to sound racist, but all the storm troopers look the same to me. Ah! What about the black ones? I don't want to sound, um, racist, but sorry. Well, on the inside, they were all the same. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah, good one.

[00:51:14] I, yeah, I tried. That is a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one. I still don't like Attack of the Clones. Oh, hang on. There is, there is one aspect of the crossover that I would love to see. I would love to see a shootout between an army of storm troopers and an army of red shirts. Well, obviously you guys going to win because we're fucking dead. Well, no, but here's the, but here's the thing. Storm troopers can't hit, you know, storm troopers can't hit ship, but red shirts exist to die. So. Sure. I actually kind of want to see that fight play out.

[00:51:45] So, okay. Um, okay, Jake, this is specifically for you. What does your Canadian friend cooking dinner for you having common with the empire from a star Wars? What? What your Canadian friend cooking dinner for you having common with the empire stars, the empire from a star Wars. I'm just like, why would I cook dinner for him? I don't know. Yeah. I'm. That's good. That's good. That's good. Sorry.

[00:52:12] Oh, he's not identified as Palpatine in that movie. Hey, uh, your joke is therefore illogical. You're. Yeah. They got to be fucking boring. You're like a ugly nun that never got fucked. That's a star Trek next to star Wars. Isn't that all nuns? No, I never know, dude. I never, I never believed that there are only the wood. Only the good ones. Only the good ones.

[00:52:42] Only the good ones. Only the good ones. Uh, do you know that when Darth Vader was always bad at sports? He always choke. Sorry. Anyway, anyway, sorry for the audience that I'm saying stupid things. I always, this morning I was listening to, I, it's so funny. You asked me to come on, on here and do this. Cause this morning I was listening to, uh,

[00:53:12] the weird Al song Yoda. And there's a line in that song where he says about Luke Skywalker, that he'll be playing this part till he's old and gray. And that made me laugh so unreasonably hard. Cause I'm like, Oh my God, he did. He did play till he was old and gray. Okay. And let, let me clarify something for the fans. And if you follow our podcast, you know that I do not like the sky workers first generation. I think that Luke Skywalker is a pussy, right?

[00:53:39] And he's a stupid kid that wanted to destroy daddy's business after the dad's give everything to become right in that position in the corporation. He was fighting for storm troopers rights. Okay. It's not Luke's fault that his dad was, you know, stuck in the past. You know what position Darth Vader plays in baseball? The umpire. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry, people.

[00:54:08] I found a website with 2000 jokes. So deal with me. We can tell. Yeah. Never, never doubt my mind. How you can call an invisible droid. See through PO. These are good jokes. Alexander. I am curious though, because I don't think we may have touched on this briefly, but what,

[00:54:38] what, what is your feeling on Star Trek as a franchise? Are you a fan? Did you watch it or? Funny that you should ask because as it turns out, I believe Star Trek might actually be my favorite, my favorite sci-fi franchise of all time. Actually, even though I'm here to defend star Wars and I'm, I'm here to find some. Get up. You started to hang up and hang yourself in a closet. I had a feeling because Alexander,

[00:55:08] Alexander is a very intelligent human being, a gentleman and a scholar. And I just had a funny feeling that even though he may, may or may not prefer star Wars, I don't know. But my argument for Star Trek has always been as a, even people that don't love it. You have to at least admit it's cultural decades spanning impact. And I know star Wars did too. I know star Wars did too, but it's a totally different, but there are people,

[00:55:37] which I guess that's the case for star Wars too. But there are people who say shit like live long and prosper. Be me up. Sorry, Mr. Spock, all these references. And they haven't even seen the show. Never get laid. That's not true. I mean, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, people get married in these uniforms, bro. Bro. The only person that got laid in the cold, a star trick. That's not true. I'm pretty,

[00:56:06] married to the same woman. They say the same time. Why? Because he was star Wars fan. No, I'm, I'm pretty sure that Leonard Nimoy got nude fan mail. Oh, I mean, that doesn't mean have said nobody. You just go to Instagram. No, not in 1967. He didn't. Well, he was Dr. Anyway, he got Polaroids, my friend. Okay. Okay. Going deep, deep. How many Klingons does it take to change a light bulb? One,

[00:56:37] but then there's a bunch other that, that, that killed him because he's a Klingon. Actually, it's two. One to screw it in and the other stab the other in the back and take all the credit. Oh, close. Good job. But, uh, Star Wars did, did in terms of being, uh, influential though. Star Wars did invent the term blockbuster. Star Wars changed the way of making movies in the industry. Let's forget about the story. The way that the special effects were done, the way that the sound were done.

[00:57:06] I mean, we can, and, and we talk about this. I do not hate a Star Trek. Inside of a Star Wars. I love more the dark side that the, that the fucking bullshit of the Jedi's touching each other within their ropes kind of thing. But if you put them together, I prefer Star Wars. If, if I go to a, a desert island, right? And I need to take one franchise with me. I don't even hesitate. I will take all the Star Wars, even the bad ones,

[00:57:36] even the Acolyte. Oh, see, that's just a bad decision based on runtime alone. Like, no, no, no, no, no. Because dude, you watch one Star Trek episode and you watch them all. That is not true. that's not even close. I cannot abide that. Let's go and find a new, a new tribe. Oh, I'm running their country. Oh, we got a new thing. That tells me you've not watched Star Trek. Yeah, it is. You don't see it like that because you love it, but it's not. No,

[00:58:05] I can point to specific examples because we went from an episode where they go down to a planet. full of fake wax people that accost them. And then I believe in the very next episode. Uh, what do they do in the next episode? May not be the very next episode, but the episodes later we have a courtroom drama. And then we have, and then we have a thriller in space multiple times. And it's, it's constantly different. So some of them are good,

[00:58:33] like procedural mystery show, like real, real solidly paced procedural mystery show. I, to turn to turn your own argument, I would say most Star Wars movies are exactly the same. It's almost, well, yeah, because it's almost, it's almost like the new trilogy completely remade the original trilogy. I just think generally all, every Star Wars movie is kind of all, they all have the same beat. They all have the same plot beat plot points, all the same beats. They're all more or less the same movie. That's not, that's not me criticizing. Well,

[00:59:03] hold on a second. The new trilogy. Yes. Because what's our real lunch? But episode four, five and six is not the same. And one, three are not the same men. They have the same characters, but they're not the same at all. Are there, are there not a lightsaber duel in every single third act of one of those movies? Yeah. Well,

[00:59:31] they're fucking soldiers. What are you doing for me? Stormtroopers all look at this. Well, fuck they're soldiers. I mean, I mean, I mean, how many years does Spock have? Do what? How many years does Spock have? I, in what manner? I don't understand what the question is. How many years does Spock has? Like how many years was Spock on television? How old is Spock? No, how many years? How many years? Two. Three left, right.

[01:00:01] And the final front ear. He's got, he's got a Star Trek joke page out now, Jake. He's here. I saw it coming a million. I saw it coming a million miles away. I'm thinking to stop it. I thought he said years. That was my, that was my. Yeah. My accent is really good. The final front year is really good. Come on. That's good. That was a good one. That's solid. But okay. I have to, I've got to be the balance guy.

[01:00:30] I will say he regards to Star Trek. My, my bit coming into doing the final frontier was when I was a child, I was constantly blown away by how a show that takes place in space could be boring. So that, that was, that was my whole bit. I like legit. Like I, like when I was a kid, my dad would watch Star Trek, the next generation. And it was the most boring 45 minutes I ever watched in my life. So like, it's not, I'll be the first. I'll be the first to admit. It's not made for children,

[01:00:59] not to say children can't watch it, but it's not typical kid fair, but it was never intended to be. I think every kid in the world. That's what I'm saying. No, I think children should watch Star Trek. I can just understand. It's not me. Why? So they can learn. You're a fucking nerd. And no, so they can learn. So they can learn fucking Sesame Street or the bubble. Fuck Sesame Street, dude. Sesame Street is so fucking overrated. Right. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[01:01:28] Icon of television. Sesame Street. Fuck Sesame Street. I love Sesame Street. I grew up on Sesame Street. They're Canadian. That's not fair. That's only television you have. I, I, no, I'm not going to smirk, smirk public television. How dare you, sir? Just kidding. Sorry. I couldn't commit to that. No, I was going to, I was going to say, has Captain Kirk been on the Muppet show? I don't think so. But Luke Skywalker was all I'm saying.

[01:01:57] And that's one of the. Funniest worst episode of the Muppets. Okay. So good. That was funny. Cause every time Luke Skywalker will run off the screen and then Mark Hamill will come on and be like, where did Skywalker go? Everybody. It's funny. That was really funny. Uh, actually that episode, if you, if I'm correct, is the, the, when they make the gargled sound, right? Gargled. I think so. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Pretty sure. I mean,

[01:02:27] everyone makes mistakes. We have a, our Christmas specials. That were really bad. Mark Hamill. Mark Hamill existing every, I mean, I never been like blind fan about a star Wars. I, I know that Mark Hamill wasn't a good actor in the first movie in the second movie. He was there because it was successful. I mean, because he focused careers in a personal level. Uh, I never liked play. I mean, God knows if you go to our, our, uh, episodes,

[01:02:56] when we decode everything with the audio audio book from a star Wars, that is five hours of a book that we stop and comment. I mean, dude, the character Leah is the most annoying thing. What the hell happened? It wasn't me. Uh, so the reality is like, I, I know that I go crazy, but, and don't take me wrong. I mentioned this before. I even have a,

[01:03:24] had a toy that my mom bought from the original movie that was, uh, Spock, it was like, this is really for only toy fans. It was a toy brand called Maddleman. I don't know if you guys know it. And the Maddleman, they have scuba divers and, and police. They have a Maddleman version for Spock. I look online and that thing right now is like 3000 bucks. And my mom bought it and we have it in this. She got a toy collection.

[01:03:53] And of course it's me being a rebel. I open it up. I took it out of the box and I went to the yard and play with him. And I used to chew on all the toys. And the Spock and me got a great oral connection. You know, Mr. Oh yeah, sure. So my whole point is I love Star Trek. Don't take me wrong people. I'm not a, Oh, Star Wars. Like here, my cohost Jake. No, I love the Star Trek,

[01:04:21] but I think that a Star Wars is better and more entertaining because you don't need to be a fucking nerd to love it. You just want to like, you kind of do. You kind of do. That's what you're saying. You're fucking nerds. I mean, space wizards. Yeah, they're not a space wizards. They're superheroes. Actually. Yeah, actually, actually you got it. Actually, you got it because I mean, Star Trek has both aspects.

[01:04:49] It has the whole family dynamics of the crew, which is what I love about the franchise. And it has the technological aspect, which has pretty much been dictating our modern, our modern path to technology. I don't know if you agree with me on this right here. Completely. We're doing right now. The only thing that I agreed is that you fucking soak as a fucking team member. Yeah, we were playing football. You just throw an interception. Let me talk, man.

[01:05:19] Let me talk, man. I'm just, I'm just presenting the strengths of the, of the Star Trek thing. Just to tell you that the one thing they haven't been able to touch up on, and they've tried is on the spirituality of, of Star Wars. I mean, if you think about it, Yoda in Dagova, he pretty much explains life to us. Yeah, he does. Of what the force is. And Jedi Knights are as much as real. I mean, I don't know if religious is the word I'm looking. I'm looking for,

[01:05:48] but the spirituality of the force that guides them is something that is a strength of Star Wars. Don't you guys agree? It's certainly different. I would, I would say. I talked about this at the beginning. They're totally two different shows, like totally two different shows. The only thing that they have in common is space and the word star. That's the only thing that they have in common. They are totally different shows. I mean, they both have action. They both have technology. They both have, um,

[01:06:20] family dynamics. Right? How do you have family dynamics in Star Trek? Correct me. Guide me, please. And guide the audience for the most. Well, the relationships of the crew and. Oh, okay. Sorry. I mean, just to give an example. If you remember in, uh, in, in the fifth movie, the final frontier. Oh yeah. Spock's brother. Yeah. But even at the end, when they're on the, on the gods planet, Kirk gets left behind. Right. Mm-hmm.

[01:06:50] And he's in, and he's about to die to the storm that the God comes up with. And he's about to destroy the planet. And at the last minute, um, it's, I believe it's a Klingon, uh, bird of prey that comes over and teleports the captain on board. And there's Spock with the Klingons. Yep. Right. Yep. And Kirk comes up to Spock and he's like, Spock, I thought I was gonna. Die. And Spock says, can you do that again? Captain. Not in front of the Klingons.

[01:07:20] I thought I was gonna. Die. And Spock says, not possible, Captain. You were never alone. I mean, that to me is like a brother going to save his brother, you know? Well, then the fact that the fact of the matter is the third and fourth movies exist because the crew risking life and career just to rescue Spock. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. I think they pulled it off.

[01:07:50] Yeah. They pulled it off. Do you like the new versions, the new movies? Oracle? The new Star Trek, the new Star Wars movies. No, the new Star Trek, the new Star Trek. I don't love them. I mean, I think some of the actors have a lot of charisma in them, starting with a, with Chris Pine. But I mean, they were just trying to recreate something that I don't think they, they, they, they quite actually hit the target on it.

[01:08:20] You know what I mean? Yeah. I, I enjoyed, it's funny because I enjoy those movies a lot when I first watched them because I was like, these are not Star Trek and that's why I liked them. But now having watched the original series for the, the thing, the thing I, I, I'm not like, I want a big budget of Star Trek that adheres way closer to the original. That's like what the original was, but just with more money.

[01:08:50] Like if that makes sense, I don't know if that makes sense. Well, we're, we're still petitioning. We're still petitioning paramount to do two things and we'll take either or we either want to do a comedy series, Star Trek night shift or night crew rather. Um, and the, the, the running gag is you'll be able to see the original crew members, but only from the back because it'll be during shift change. And then, uh, and then, the other thing, which I would actually really like to do this. I don't know exactly how I would like to do it, but I,

[01:09:20] I'll be honest. I would kind of like to remake the original series. That's hard. Don't you think? I think, I think it's very hard. We we've talked about, there's certain episodes though, that we feel like you could clean up a little bit and make them a little bit more engaging from the page. I would maybe consider like doing, upgrading it in like, I don't know how else to describe this, but like to prestige almost television, like an HBO show, like something with some money, like something with some money.

[01:09:50] I would love to be fair. They, the budget for star Trek episodes has always been fairly high. Um, yeah. Well, not the original. Well, it was expensive for the original series, but they were, well, no, it was advanced and it was expensive, but they were really trying to reign it in, but just by the nature of the show. But after that, starting with TNG, I mean, I think when I know when deep space nine was on, cause there were, there was a period where it was TNG was on DC nine was on. And then after TNG left Voyager started,

[01:10:20] I think the average cost per episode is about a hundred thousand dollars. Correct me. Correct me if I'm wrong. Um, the, the last one that it was what they got, it got canceled, right? No, I think it, I don't think it got canceled. I think strange new worlds is still going. Well, the things I saw an article today, but I, again, I haven't, maybe I'm not sure it got canceled and then got picked up by Netflix. No, I mean, I saw a little short and I'm like, how's this possible?

[01:10:49] But I don't know. I wanted to ask about that because that, that post is going everywhere. The lead actress, this old woman, I heard anything. Well, no, because the, the thing of it is though, it is just, I can say no with a lot of conviction because Paramount has always, always, always, always kept Star Trek. They've never licensed it to another company. They've never even entertained selling it outside of the company.

[01:11:17] I heard here and there that they have some shares that are connected to Disney. Disney does not own Paramount. I will say, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't,

[01:11:49] I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't,

[01:12:16] I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, modern day television sensibilities for like drama where like, yeah, there's some resolutions where I'm like, you know what?

[01:12:45] Our version is better. Yeah. Straight up. Yeah. No, there've been a couple episodes like that where you usually bring up a really good point and be like, you know, I really would have preferred this to not be wrapped up so neatly or this would be a lot more powerful if we'd met this person before. Yeah. And it's like, if this were modern television, you would have. Yeah. Well, you guys are going to kill me for this because I've been fucking with you. I know. And like always making you crazy. But when I saw, what is the name of the Seth, my Farley show?

[01:13:15] The Orville? Orville. The Orville? What is it? The Orville. Orville. Oh, the Orville. Like Orville. Something weird happened to me when I started watching the Orville, I fell in love right away. I did too, dude. I love the Orville. But then I watched a Star Trek, the old ones. And don't go crazy with me. I'm being honest. I'm not going to bullshit. I'm not fucking with you. I got bored. And I returned to watch the Orville. I will say. Well, no, when the Orville, when the Orville came on, even I said it, I said,

[01:13:45] guys, the Orville is doing Star Trek better than Star Trek is right now. Yeah. So many people said that. Well, because it's true. And like the Orville, it's kind of wild. A lot of people don't give it a chance because it's Seth MacFarlane. And yes, the first season has more comedy, but it's not a bad thing. Like it were, well, no, no, hear me out. Cause there's a point here. It has more comedy than say season three. Okay. Yeah. But I don't,

[01:14:12] I don't mind it because one of the things I always, and I make fun of the, I make fun of Star Trek for this. And in Star Trek, everybody loves classical music. Everybody loves Shakespeare. Everyone loves the opera. And just watching Gordon Malloy be obsessed with 20th century reality TV. I dude, I love it. And then the joke, and I'm so mad at Seth MacFarlane for taking this away from us. The joke, when they set up board us about to sing, my heart will go on.

[01:14:40] It's like one of the biggest disappointments of my life. Really? You will be silent. You know what is funny? Funny that you mentioned that people are given a chance because of Seth. I don't call people genius really easy because I think these two last generations, they just use words to look cool. Not for the fact of what the world word means, but he's a genius. He is. No, he's very talented. Yeah. Oh, I, as I always, yeah, no,

[01:15:10] but what I was saying, I do give Star Trek and not Star Trek. I'm sorry. I do give South Park some grief for this. Like the joke is funny with the manatees and the ideal balls, but like Seth MacFarlane is funny. Like he's, he's made too many TV shows and movies to not. And he's funny because he understands when, where he can go and where he needs to stop. I mean, the guy sings better than Michael Bublé. No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Oh yeah.

[01:15:40] You saw it too. Mr. Beat says, man, us nerds just all get along. Yeah. Like I say, I mean, he knows where to stop. Not till they're all dead. Mr. Beats. He wanted to make Hollywood movies. He made a thousand ways to die in the ass. It's a, which, okay. I love that movie. And those people that hate it, I don't understand why you hate it. That movie is fucking hilarious. I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

[01:16:14] I,

[01:16:44] hope I just get my two hours back in my life. I just, I, I generally don't like Mark Wahlberg is cool for many reasons and he's talented for many reasons, but not acting outside his spectrum of the same character that he's playing. What are you talking shit about Mark Wahlberg? Mark Wahlberg? What the fuck are you saying? The only movie that he gets out of the spectrum a little bit is in the invincible, the football movie.

[01:17:13] But it still is Mark Wahlberg. But in this one, he wants to play a mob assassin. Bro, he doesn't deliver. What, you don't think, you don't think I can kick ass? Huh? I don't think you can kick ass, bro. You ever see Daddy's Home? Daddy's Home 2? I don't even sweat in that movie. They're like 5'3". They're like 5'3". How tall is Mark Wahlberg? Like 5'6"? 5'7"? What is... I mean, he's not that tall. He's taller than Tom Cruise, though. but Tom Cruise... Tom Cruise is like 4'0". Have you seen all the media...

[01:17:43] Don't make me come up there. All the media that is going around Tom Cruise? What now? What did he do? His face. Have you seen it? No shit. No, no. His face. Yeah. His face is totally different. I guess he stopped using... I mean, I started seeing changes in his physique in the Olympics when he come down on the motorcycle. But then you see a picture of the movie, right? In the Olympics.

[01:18:13] And yesterday that he was in an event or two days ago. And he looks bad, man. I mean, he looks like... You can only stretch skin so much. No, yeah. It's like the boat is right off. Totally. And then he drank the night before and he was like bloated like he looks... No, he's gonna be like one of the aliens from Star Trek Insurrection where they just keep stretching their faces out. Hey, Oracle. How old is Tom Cruise? 69? 63? 65? I don't think he's that old. He's in his 60s.

[01:18:43] He's in his 60s. Is he probably gonna kill himself? Yeah, you never look at it. You've never... It doesn't look like it, but yeah. Sorry, the thing is every time you talk Oracle, you sound so far that I can barely hear you with all of us talks. Oh my God, he's 62. Yeah, I mean... Oh, see, I thought he was older. I would get older. But he looks like 71, two days ago. I don't know what happened. I don't know if he's sick. A lot of people are saying that he's probably sick. But...

[01:19:12] And I was talking this to Oracle. In the premiere of Mission Impossible, he ran against the prince. Prince... What's the name of the prince? We talk about this. Lady D's son? William. Prince William. And he ignored him so bad he went to stretch his hand and proved to you. I mean, he actually pushed him aside and he talked to a buddy and Tom Cruise got to the phone and he's like, like, really? And I don't know if they were playing a joke and they're actually really good friends,

[01:19:42] but it was like really disrespectful. I don't know, but it seems like Tom Cruise has just run out of blood to drink and he's just got to replenish his stocks. That could be. That could be. Yeah, that could be. That might be. Either way, I'm really happy that we all agree that Star Wars is better, so I really appreciate it. We did no such thing. Yeah, yeah, we did. I'll praise you. I've never, ever... Justin, you just did that. Justin, you did that. You actually, three times, three times you say

[01:20:11] that you barely like Star Trek, that you love Star... That doesn't matter what he said. Okay, first of all, I'm talking to Justin here. Jake, you're not his dad, okay? I am the podcast sonographer. I can pull up the record. Pull the record. Maybe this time you can make it work in time. Virus, you're wrong. Luke Skywalker is a puss. Oh, no, you said that. Keep going. I'm just saying Captain Kirk could probably beat up Luke Skywalker. Oh, no,

[01:20:41] that will never happen. In what version? The version where Luke loses his lightsaber. The version I'm writing in my head. He tosses it over his shoulder and then Captain Kirk runs out and right crosses him in the face. Don't throw the lightsaber away. But very slowly. That shit up. Okay, just for the record, I agree with you guys before he met Obi-Wan Kenobi. Oh, yeah. And Kirk would wipe the floor with that little punk. Yeah, after that, please. I mean, also I will say lightsabers

[01:21:10] a thousand times cooler than phases. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay, but here's a question though. This is legitimate legitimate sci-fi question though. Given how we know phasers work, at least in the original series. Hold on a second. Why the fuck we care about that? You'll keep going. Let him cook. Let him cook. Given how phasers work, at least in the original series, would a lightsaber deflect it? Yes. It's a laser beam.

[01:21:41] Full bar would. Yeah, absolutely would. But the laser beam makes matter disintegrate. Yeah, but it deflects. It's so new Star Trek. Okay, let's assume it's not the No, those are just lasers. Then the force will deflect it. They disintegrate, don't they? No, they burn. It's like a bolt. Then the force will deflect it. I'm not talking about the force. What? I'm not talking about the force. I'm talking about lightsaber. Lightsaber totally would. Yeah. It certainly would absorb it. It would absorb

[01:22:10] at the very least. You know what is funny? What I can say that at the end, the record is leaning to Star Trek and just me learning for Star Wars. So I love the support, Justin. I love both of them. I love both. Look, I am discovering, the thing is my adulthood has been discovering a love for Star Trek. I will say that absolutely. My childhood love is Star Wars. I was going to say, so your real original love is Star Wars, but now you're... Absolutely. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what you fall in love with first.

[01:22:40] It matters what you fall in love with last. Yeah, you're the one that... I love them both equally. I love them both for different reasons. Oh, so you're two-timing me, you whore. You Captain Kirk wannabe. I told you. It's like you've asked me which lover is better and I'm like, they're different. It's like blonde-haired... Okay, let me... It's like asking Captain Kirk if he prefers blonde-haired white women or green chicks. So just for the record, Justin knows that it's true real love. It's a Star Wars,

[01:23:10] but now he's mesmerized by the hotness of a Star Trek. They're different. They're different. Okay? It's different. It's different. I feel like I'm losing here. I don't know what's happening. No, no, no. You got the full support of the console. We can't destroy these... It's different. As long as you're okay with not being given the rank of master. If you had me watch Star Trek as like a teen... Even as a teenager, I would have told you it was boring as shit. But like, I love shit that's boring as shit now. I'm just...

[01:23:39] Oh, see, I don't think you would agree that with Deep Space Nine, but when we get there, because we're going to get there. But I really appreciate that you are accepting that it's boring shit that you like. Thank you. And this is not a dig at you, but like, you enjoyed Doctor Who. When did you start watching Doctor Who? I was an adult. Oh, okay. Well, then never mind. My point is moving. Yeah. I love Doctor Who for the same reason that I love Star Trek, which is, it's silly shit and goofy costumes. That's like... My favorite part,

[01:24:09] I think you could thoroughly attest that my favorite shit from Star Trek is like the Gorn or like Kirk Fu or like... We do have... I mean, not that... We do have way more fun when the episode is silly. I do... Oh, yeah, but I don't love a feral ethical discussion, but like... It's really funny because whenever we do an episode and I think, I'm like, oh, this is really good. This episode is really good. Like, none of our episodes have gotten terrible views, but like, the ones that get the best views

[01:24:38] are the ones where I'm like, this is so bad. Like, this is such a bad episode. Not ours. I got a weird question for everyone here in the panel tonight. You can carry four friends to an adventure with you. Stay with me. Four guys that they're gonna go with you. Four friends. Regardless of their alignment, they're gonna be good friends to you. They will not betray you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the two franchises. What would you bring with you?

[01:25:08] Star Trek. I know, it's a tough one. It's a tough one. I have clarifying questions. These four friends, is it four from each or am I mixing and matching? No, no, you gotta make the perfect match. Four from two franchises. And I only get four. You only get four from both franchises. Okay, okay, okay. Sorry, sorry. If you wanna die, you can bring C-3PO, R2, and Guardian Camoran, right? Okay, okay. Sorry, one more clarifying question. When it comes to Star Wars, do I have to specify

[01:25:38] a version of that character? I will appreciate that. I will appreciate that. Okay, okay. Not necessary. Now, for your gun's sake, and because you love Star Wars, don't be a fucking nerd. Just answer the question. Okay, okay, okay. Jake, sorry, go ahead, Jake. Jake, go ahead. In order to formulate my team, I need to have to. So hang on, are we pulling, do we pick four from each franchise or four out of both? No, no, no, just four. You just, you go on an adventure, right? Yeah. And you're the hero, and you get, they told you, you can bring four friends

[01:26:08] from any of the franchises, but just four. Okay. Who you will choose? I will pick Darth Vader, Geordi LaForge, Dr. Bashir, Hmm, interesting. And Garrick. Why you took Darth Vader? I mean, fucking wrecking power, dude. Thank you. Yeah, just, I'll rest my case. Justin, please. Never mind that I picked

[01:26:37] three other people from Star Trek, but yeah. Yeah, but they're not as powerful. You need power. No, that's good. That's a good team. You will survive. I'm going to go Spock. I'm going Bones, because not only do I feel like he's good counsel, but he just seems like he's fun to drink with. And he will kill you. Well, that's why I picked Dr. Bashir. That's your big turn. He's a solid doctor. I'm going to pick Ian McGregor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, just because he seems chill as fuck. In which one? One, two, or three, or the TV show?

[01:27:07] Ooh, I think I'm going to go number, I'm going to go episode three. Like, that seems like, or, yeah, episode three. That's him as his most sassy, most fun, episode three. And that's three. I need one more, don't I? Let's keep this balanced. Let's do two from, let's do one more from Star Wars. No, you don't have to do that. Whatever your heart is telling me. Well, while he's thinking, Mr. Beats, who are you referring to? Because you asked, who is that? Who are you? I'm not checking the messages. Who's running us? Mr. what?

[01:27:36] He calls himself Mr. Beats. Mr. Beats, what will be your four characters? He's joined us before. Yeah, who are your four? Who are your four characters? So what is your last one? Probably Garak, I would guess. I'm just going to say, I'm going to say Anakin. Anakin, but episode three, Anakin. Before he hits the dark side. Before the crazy. Yeah. When it's like, when it's like Obi-Wan, Anakin, buddy comedy. When he's kicking everyone that kills his mother. Oh my God, I forgot. So, Virus, have you seen the TikToks going around

[01:28:06] where somebody musicified the conversations in Revenge of the Sith? Yes. Obi-Wan, I don't fear the dark side. It's you too. it's really good that with the metal one it's fantastic. Virus sent that to me and I was like, ah, it's so good. I think I sent it to you, Justin. Hey, Oracle, what are you for? Well, I've been thinking about it, but I mean, definitely it'd be Kirk and Spock

[01:28:35] and then Data. Oh yeah, I can't grab a data. I think it'd be R2. Yeah. Oh, solid choice. Solid choice. Yeah, okay, that's fair. I picked Geordi because out of all the engineers I figured that if you need a ship running it was, it was a tie between him and Scotty but Geordi is used to newer class ships so his knowledge base would be bigger. It's surprising that what you chose but I mean, it's your choice. That's fine.

[01:29:05] Droid is so much. Having said that, I maybe would have switched out Anakin for C3PO. No, brother, you're done. You're done. No, I know, I know, I know, but now that you've gone I maybe would have, I totally didn't even think about droids. So, I'm going to go crazy on this. I'm going to go Kondoku. Interesting. All right. Kondoku. Kondoku. Whatever. I thought he said Goku. I was like, wrong franchise. Spock? I feel like those two would get along.

[01:29:35] Spock and Kondoku. I want Spock. I want all the Spock. Not super all from the new movies but all when he already died, right? Can and blah, blah, blah, right? Oh, okay. Yeah. Like, like Star Trek 4 Spock. Yeah, yeah, like, like mature Spock. Not ready to become Admiral Spock. You know, what is he really mature? And he already touched his humanity a little bit. Yep. Kondoku. Obviously, Darth Vader.

[01:30:05] Actually, I will take Vader when he kills the kids. That Vader, that, that, that, when he gets named Vader. Well, you do need a merciless son of a bitch to do the dirty work. Of course. I will kick everyone ass with this because I got the strategies that is Doku and I was debating if I'm going to bring Grevious instead of Doku. I got the analyst that is Spock as a mature man, right? Obviously, I got the crazy son of a bitch with Anakin, Dark Anakin. Masturbator. I mean, Masturbator.

[01:30:37] And one more. I hear he's also a cunning linguist. I know, I know, I know. The, the fourth one that I will bring, I will, this is surprising, but from the first movie of the new ones, the girl that Spock, that Kirk is having sex with in the first scene, the green one, Oh God, what's her name? I don't care. That's actually Rachel Nichols, the actress. Thank you. That's what I bring to my team because obviously I got three guys kicking ass. I can have fun in the back. She was,

[01:31:06] she was in GI Joe too. Yeah. So that, that would be my team. I just need those three guys to kick ass brutally. Yeah, but see, you could have just taken your team to Orion and gotten like a dozen of those women. Yeah. Yeah. No, but the reality is like, dude, Spock with Doku telling Anakin what to do. I can sit down and rule the universe. Dude, Doku is actually a very interesting option. It is. He was great. Before he left the order,

[01:31:35] he was one of the best. Have you guys seen, have you guys seen, oh, I forgot what it's called. Tales of the Jedi, I think is what it's called. But it's, it's like a short series, animated series. And it's like, there's a few different episodes. There's one that it's about, it's Ahsoka when she's off in her banishment. We saw it together. Alexander and I, we saw it together. There's, but there's the one where it's Count Dooku's backstory and you get to see like him, uh, fall,

[01:32:05] how he fell to the dark side. And then there's an episode where he kills Yaddle. Um, you can finally get to see Yaddle and turns out that she doesn't talk like Yoda. She only Yoda talks like Yoda. So, you know, he just has some sort of You found out, you found out that Yoda got dropped on his head as a child. Yeah. no guys, you don't get it. Joel is Mexican. Scramble? My brains are. Just he is Mexican. I don't know why Scooby came out there. It's the grammar. That is, it's the grammar. We talk backwards. Yoda's Mexican.

[01:32:34] It's small. Big ears. Actually, the sentence, the sentence structure is closer to Japanese, but. God, do you really gotta dream all my fucking jokes today? Star Trek. Ah, nerd. Nerd. Being pedantic. Nerd. Nerd. It's not my fault. You're illogical. Being pedantic is 90% about being a nerd. About what being a nerd is. I just feel like, I feel like, you guys are too nerd for me. Xander in a comic store. Seriously,

[01:33:04] motherfuckers. You're too nerdies. I feel like, Farris, I feel like, if you, if you met Anakin, like before, once he killed the kid, but before he became Darth Vader, you'd sit him down and be like, listen, motherfucker. You're gonna, it's gonna seem like you're gonna be able to jump over him, but he has the high ground, okay? Don't do it. No, no, no, no. Don't do it. I will tell him, drop the old woman. She's trying to seduce you. Like, I don't want to seduce you and you got dressed like that. Dude, run. That woman is gonna manipulate you.

[01:33:34] She's gonna get pregnant without discussing it with you and you're gonna, she's gonna ruin everything for you because you're just a kid in love with an old woman. She's gonna poke a hole in it. She's trapping you, bro. She's trapping you. Did you imagine, did you imagine the Star Wars version of that scene from Blue Mountain State where Obi-Wan's just like, let me, let Padme, let me see that come. And he just uses the force to, and he brings the water over and it just, you know, yeah, no,

[01:34:03] I really will tell Anakin, bro, if you want to fight your friend, don't do it in a fucking lava place. Right? Yeah. Hey, here's a brilliant idea. Maybe don't fight, maybe don't fight over Kenobi on a long planet where you get burned to death. And over a woman that, she just played you since you were a little kid. I mean, seriously, bro. I remember you saying their relationship, she was 14, he was 11. Oh, yeah, it sounds really stupid. Well, at the time, but they didn't,

[01:34:33] they didn't enter a relationship until they were both adults. So? That, that is a thing I hate about, I hate about the Attack of the Clones. I hate the fact that it's a 10 year time jump and it feels like you missed an entire fucking movie. Well, because you effectively did. Because you did. Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's probably like, there's probably a trilogy in there. As much as I don't like the, I don't love the new trilogy, I still maintain Attack of the Clones to the worst Star Wars movie.

[01:35:03] Maintain it, maintain it, stand by. Yeah, actually, I'm with you. To be honest, Justin, I know that people talk shit about this movie. Let me, I know that people talk shit about the new movies, right? But wait 10 years, and I know, Jake, I know, I know. But wait a few years, and people are going to look back on them. There's a lot of this generation going on, just criticizing what they don't get, or what they think that they can do better without being, doing the effort. I mean, pressing a button and pay $10 a month

[01:35:33] doesn't give you the right to be a cinematic director, a screenwriter. I'm just saying. But I'm with you. The worst movie is the second episode. Not because it's bad, it's because it's slow and boring. I never care about Jagger at all. There's nothing in The Last Jedi that's quite as bad as, I hate sand, it's coarse and irritating, or they were animals, so I slaughtered them like animals. There's just,

[01:36:03] as opposed to free the animals from Space Vegas. Actually, not, I mean, to be honest, that movie could be safe if we actually see how he kills the animals, right? Because we don't. We don't see Anakin taking the dark revenge. We just see that. I appreciate it. I mean, don't you see him? You see him waste a couple of them. Yeah, but not like in the way that he's supposed to damage, right? I don't know.

[01:36:33] I mean, you see him, you see him drop too, and then it transitions when he chops another one. Yeah, but no, I mean, I was expecting a little Game of Thrones there, with blood everywhere, like, ow, ow. Well, I don't think blood spurts from a lightsaber wound, does it? I don't know. No. It does, it does, it does in episode four, but technically it shouldn't. Yeah, because it's cutting and, and, and, you know, the laser is closing at the same time. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

[01:37:03] It's theoretically supposed to cauterize it. Okay, favorite villain of a Star Trek or Star Trek, and then a Star Wars, Jake, favorite. I know. That's actually, that's, that's hard with Star Trek. Favorite bad character. Let me rephrase it. Say, favorite bad character, like, bad evil character. Okay, and this is, this is very much a me answer, but many people, I've, I gotta go with Gold Dukat from Deep Space Nine. He's just a, God,

[01:37:32] he's a piece of shit. He's a piece of shit and a thankful piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Justin. Oh, no, wait, Star Wars. Star Trek first. Star Trek. Star Trek, yeah. Star Trek is tough because I haven't seen enough to really form myself. From what you know? I was going to say, Khan, probably, as of right now. Fucking love Khan. He was, he's up there. Great. There's a, there's been a couple from these early episodes, but none of them are sticking out. It's quite as specifically as Khan. So I'm just going to say Khan.

[01:38:02] All right, cool. I'm with Justin on this one. It's Khan for me. Yeah, no, no, I'm not even going to go around the bush. It's Khan for me too. I mean, Khan's good. Khan's good. He's so good. You get, you get, you get way more time with Gold Dukat. I'm going to go Khan Ricardo Montalban, right? I'm going to be. Oh yeah, we're not talking. But here's the thing though. Benedict Cumberbatch is not the same Khan. No, no. But what is the can for that movie? So I got it. Yeah. Yeah. We,

[01:38:31] we all know who you're talking about. Star Wars. Jake. I mean, bad guy. I mean, my favorite bad guy, probably Darth Maul, but you can't deny. Okay. Give me one. So Vader, the only reason I say that is because Vader ends up getting redeemed in the end. And Maul is just such a badass villain. I'm going to stop you there. First of all, the people in the comments haven't put their four ones. Not yet. No. Okay. Just because I want to be respectful to them.

[01:39:01] Funny that you mentioned that because in my list, Maul was coming before, but then I go in a different way. but yeah, yeah. I mean, Maul, Vader, I don't think if you're a piece of shit and at the end, last moment, you redeemed yourself to save one person that you love, you stop being bad. He become good for Luke. He was bad. Vader or Maul? No, no, I'm going, I'm going with Maul.

[01:39:31] Although probably if you're talking about the baddest bad, you'd have to go with Palpatine, but I just, I prefer Maul. No, I mean, it's your favorite one. Yeah. I don't think nobody says that. Somehow, somehow he has returned in Fortnite. In Fortnite? Well, to be fair, you could, you could technically say the same thing about Maul. Somehow, Darth Maul has returned. He, oh man, that, I still can't stand that, that he somehow, somehow survives, gets sliced in half, fallen down a shaft. Somehow gets to another planet and becomes a half spider thing.

[01:40:00] That's pretty cool though. Oh, I, I, I liked it. I, I hate, I hate it less now, but I, at the time I couldn't stand it. Yeah. So, so your, which one will be, Justin? Again? Oh, I, I, I'm going to go a little, a little non-traditional, a little less obvious. Mine comes with an asterisk though, because I'm going to pick General Grievous, but not General Grievous from the movies, because he's lame as fuck in the movies. Uh, General Grievous from the Jendi Tarkovsky 2D animated show.

[01:40:29] That's fantastic. Yeah. I thought you, when you, when you said you were going to go unconventional, I thought you were going to say Jar Jar Binks, because you ascribe, well, as I do, that in reality, Jar Jar Binks was the Sith Lord. As a Sith Lord, yeah. I should have said, I should have said, Darth Jar Jar from that one Lego movie, but no, no, no, I loved the fact that they acknowledge that though. That, that was fun. Jar says it's really good. He says it's genuinely really good. Have you, like, I know this is way off topic,

[01:40:59] but have you guys seen the Lego movie? Yes. Yes, I have. I did. It's so fucking good. I try, I try, I, you know, for people that, a lot of people, we talk about this. Sometimes I put the movies and then I get distracted with work, you know, running the corp. And I just put pause. And that was one of the movies that I put pause and I stayed post to the next day. And I just like, I couldn't. Or I called your favorite villain of Star Wars. Mine. Yeah.

[01:41:28] It's definitely Vader. I mean, he's what Vader. The one from the original, uh, from the original Star Wars, maybe because I'm going to go picky for five of six. What episode? I'm saying four because he's the scariest. He's the scariest there. You know, it's the scariest for me. No, in five, in Paris strike back when they come to the cloud city and he stopped everyone and welcomed them to the doors. Like fucking a gangster, like not gangster bullshit.

[01:41:58] Hip hop culture. I'm talking about the real gangster Italian guy, right? Yeah. You come to my city. I'm sorry. Uh, yeah, that, that, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Uh, actually the most evil character, and I will talk to this no matter what people say is princess Leah. That beach destroys everything. I'm not being misogynist. Seriously. She may cancel or get killed. She pronounced everything. I mean, seriously, bring our son back.

[01:42:28] She turned to the dark side woman. He's been eight years. You haven't seen him bring my son back. He's 17 years old. Your son is a dark seed. He's going to kill it. Bring him behind. I already left you. And I'm probably having sex with Colonel Akbar, but, uh, bring him. I don't know. Just make that up. I mean, she could do worse than Admiral Akbar. I'm just saying. Yeah. I mean, he's an admiral. At least, at least he forewarned you. He's a trap.

[01:42:58] He's a trap. You don't get it. He got an accent. He was talking about Leah. He's a trap. He's a trap. Oh, wow. I don't know. I don't, I don't know what is with my brain. And I, I keep mishearing what you say. I thought you said he's like Trump. And I'm like, ha, I just imagined Donald Trump. It's a trap. No, no, obviously I'm guessing. I think that I'm with this one. It's a Trump. My favorite, my favorite, uh, favorite is Grievous before the movies,

[01:43:29] because in the movies, they don't explode the character as much, but he's a really mean, uh, bad general. Right. Of course, I don't want to do Goku again because, Doku, I mean, no Goku, Doku, because it will be repeating myself. But yeah, Grievous is, he's one of my favorite dark characters that they weren't explode as much. But, but is he, uh, is he a bomb bad general? No, he's not. He's fucking awesome. He can play with.

[01:43:58] Jar Jar sure is. Oh, it's. I know, but, but, uh, when you can manage six fucking lightsabers, is Jar with me? I love that. There's a fight sequence in that animated show. That's just so fucking good. Like my favorite Anakin moment of all time is in that show. It's the one where his arm gets cut off and he's walking around, like force crushing the guy's face with his, like the cat lately cut off arm. They're fucking badass. I mean, we agreed that a Star Trek was for young adults, right?

[01:44:28] Back in the day and adults, right? And a star, and a star Wars was for kids. But if they weren't for kids, Grievous was going to be like, come in. Motherfucker. Like, Oh, that show was gnarly. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that. I love that about that. Which virus you'll, you'll appreciate this little anecdote. Um, back, back. I don't like you today, but no, you'll, you'll like this. You'll appreciate this. You'll find this funny. Back when I was on dating apps, I got really,

[01:44:54] really tired of initiating conversations and people just eventually not. Some would respond, but most wouldn't. So my go-to opener was just the animated gif of Kenobi dropping down from episode three and saying, hello there. I mean, I've used that so many times. Okay. Just for the record, I'm really glad that you got engaged and I'm really happy for you, but thanks God. You will never be good in a dating app with that fucking t-shirt and sending emoticons like that, bro. What the fuck is wrong with you? So fun fact,

[01:45:25] it works more than you think, bro, bro. Neighbor, please. Try it. Neighbor, please. The ladies like, ladies like a star Wars. We're going to know what the, what the, what the ladies like is guys that aren't bullshitting them. And if you hit her with Obi-Wan Kenobi as an opener, she knows what the fuck you're about. She's just like, that's fucking Obi-Wan Kenobi. For God's sake, Oracle, please save me from these guys. Tell them that that's too nerdy,

[01:45:55] please. I am a nerd. Dude, what am I saying? Dude, nerds are fucking sexy now. Nerds are cool now. Yeah. That's what nerd says, bro. Seriously. They've always been cool. No, that's what science says. You don't have to be strong to survive anymore. Oh my God. Yeah. And everybody gets a trophy, Justin. Let's keep moving. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Good.

[01:46:26] I think that that was, uh, I'm just, I'm just telling you every time I'm, and I'm not making this up. Every time I wear the star Trek uniform, I'm under orders to send a photo to my significant other. Well, you may have seen me do it. Venezuela. She just discovered a star Trek. Actually, she hasn't watched it yet. She just likes the uniform. That's why you think you look sexy. You think he thinks you look like a military in the States, bro. I love her. It's your fiance, but come on, dude. Nope. Got good perception.

[01:46:56] All right, everyone. Uh, thank you for being here, Justin. Great guest. Thank you for changing your mind. She loves it. I appreciate, uh, Oracle. I'm sorry that you were late and you missed the whole messing each other around. Uh, but it was, it was really fun. Thank you for being here. Everyone, before we go recommendations within star Wars, everyone, right. Um, your two favorite things that you want our fan base to,

[01:47:25] to watch or read or listen within star Wars and a star Trek one of each. Right. So you want to do the honors here? Yes. Cause I have my two go-to answers for both franchises for star Trek. I'm sorry for star Wars. Definitely the Mandalorian. If you haven't seen it right season one, at least. Um, cause I'm given to understand that the third season leaves a little bit little to be desired, but I enjoyed the first two seasons,

[01:47:54] particularly the first one. And for star Trek, I've, I've got two. I'm going to cheat. First one, my usual go-to star Trek, deep space nine. It's the best of the series I've seen thus far. And I think it's probably the best ever, but also the final frontier podcast. That was a good one. They, you know what? I heard that the guy that put the name and make the music is fucking fantastic. I just heard that. Yeah. I heard he's a little too into star Wars though. Yeah. Well, he just did a sick job. Um,

[01:48:25] the third track thing, Justin, uh, well, I'm for me, I'm going to recommend, um, I don't, Oh, I wish I could remember what it was called, but it was a, a novel, a book. I listened to the audio book many years ago and it's, uh, it's about a gentleman, uh, smuggler who discovers, uh, Palpatine's plans with the trade Federation, basically discovers the plans to episode one. And the book is him running away from Darth Maul. Darth Maul is chasing after him the whole time. And, uh, it, it ends with, he,

[01:48:54] he's trying to get to Senator Palpatine to give him this information. Unaware that Senator Palpatine is, uh, is, is obviously, uh, a Sith. He's running, he's running, finally gets there at the end and, uh, I won't give away the ending, but it's got a really dark ending. It's really good. I'll, I'll find out what it's called. I'll find out what it's called. I'll let you guys know, but it's really good. I would love to, I would love to do that. And from, uh, Star Trek, Star Trek. I mean, uh, I think, I think I'm just going to have to recommend the final frontier,

[01:49:24] uh, every Monday, uh, watch Star Trek, the original series and play along. There you go. That's good. I don't know if I heard the guy that choose the name. Sorry. Oracle, give it to us. My recommendations are going to be, uh, my favorite movies from each franchise. So from Star Wars, I'm going to say the empire strikes back.

[01:49:53] Which is one of the greatest plot twists in film history. And, um, for, for, for Star Trek, I'm going to go with, uh, with, with the fourth movie, the voyage home. Voyage home. Yeah. Real, real fun. Real, real. It's true to the characters. They, they, they risk everything to go back in time. And it has the, the, the, the time travel element, which at the time was fantastic, extra fantastical for,

[01:50:23] for the franchise, but they pulled it off. Well, they pulled it off really good. Actually. Uh, thank you. You took my empire strike back. So I'm going to go out of character here. Rogue one, uh, is well known that my two favorite movies from a star Wars, they hold everything is empire strike back and rogue one, rogue one. The only thing that I don't like is the music, to be honest with you, but the movie is so unexpected. Even, you know,

[01:50:51] the story and they make me feel, as an adult, when I watch it, that I fall in love with a new crew. I didn't miss Han Solo. I didn't meet Chewie. I mean the, the, the robot, what is the name of the robot Oracle in rogue one? Oh, my God. I, I remember Alan Tudyk. Yeah. I don't, I don't know. It's like, but you know, that character made me forgot about C3PO, R2 and Chewie right away. Obviously, uh,

[01:51:19] Diego Luna as a friend and as a Latino. Thank you for being there, man. And he's an excellent doctor. Yeah. He made me forget, uh, Han Solo, to be honest. That movie utilized a scale in such a beautiful way. Yeah. It's even the, the beginning, the whole movie, I wasn't expecting a lot when I watch it and it really make me enjoy it. Like it wasn't out of time. They brought me back to the feeling of the star Wars, right? Like I was in that era.

[01:51:49] So, I mean, I was, I didn't born, haven't born when the original was released, but how, we were, we were, we were like two years old, right? One year old, maybe months. I don't know. When start, when, when Star Wars came out. Yeah. Yeah. You said 77. Oh yeah. I was a baby. I was a baby. I was in, in arms. Uh, we both were. Yeah. Yeah. They took us to the movies together to watch it. You're like Jay and silent Bob.

[01:52:19] And you know what? I'm going to highly recommend from a star Trek, but if you are not a fan and I know I'm been busting these guys balls, just go and watch the original series. The original series is really good and, and was progressive for their time. And I know it, he looked funny, the boots and the t-shirts and the talking t-shirt that they were mentioning and the, the Kung Fu from Captain Kirk. But I invite you to go and watch it.

[01:52:47] Thinking about that era, thinking about how important was to have the opportunity to dream and to go on because like, it's because people start dreaming about those inventions. Thanks to Star Trek. We still haven't been able to cut a Turkey with a, with Jedi style, like how I met your mother, but we're using technology that was planted here. Right. Uh, but yeah, that will be my recommendations.

[01:53:15] And watch Andor. If you start, I saw something today and I went in by this, and this sort of, this is just a recommendation. It's something that I read. If you haven't watched Andor and you start watching it today, you will have one episode a week until the second season release. You start watching it today. So if you haven't watched Andor today, watch one today, one once a week, every Tuesday after watching Toontalk 2.0. And when you finish the first season,

[01:53:44] the next week you go have Andor the second season. Uh, that will be for me for all from Jake, Justin, and the Oracle. Uh, thank you for being here with us. Actually, we keep it in one hour and 59 minutes, 19 seconds. Subscribe. Share. Watch along and prosper. Uh, may the force be with you. Okay. You know what? May the force. And also with you. May the force be with you. With your spirit. Thank you everyone. Farwell. One 59 34. Say goodbye,

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