Arete Podcast #13: Mindfulness, Technology & AI with Kelma Zora

[00:00:03] Ready everyone, welcome to this month's edition of the Arete Podcast. This broadcast is brought to you by Arete Podcast member, part of your Broadway world. We'll talk about them a little bit more in a moment. But I am joined by my friend and I apologize.

[00:00:48] I hope I pronounced this correctly. Is it film of? Yes. Yeah, film is good. Yes. And fun fact, you and I have actually known each other for a few years and I'll be recently found out that we're both very much into this whole podcasting thing

[00:01:05] as well as philosophy, just general deep thought. And I thought that was wild. So you mentioned you're doing a couple of projects right now and I thought it would be cool to start out and just tell everybody basically what those are as a nice little introduction.

[00:01:27] Well, you mean like an aroma of like when it comes to podcasting or just overall in general. Have everything you're doing? Well, yeah, like in terms of some of the projects that I got going,

[00:01:42] I don't know if I told you or now like our recently kind of shifted my career in the realm of tech space. You know, I've been in a real estate for so long.

[00:01:56] And I'm kind of getting more into like seeing how the emerging AI is going and where I see kind of that industry and what it could lead to. So I just kind of like jump full force into it.

[00:02:12] So in terms of just some of the projects that I got going right now, I'm currently working on developing a few models right now for myself for some regenerative technology that I'm looking to kind of deploy.

[00:02:28] And I'll side of that, I think I'm going to get more into, I've always wanted to get into like movies and entertainment. I tell people a time like I was born in making movies. So I'm going to be doing that a little bit here shortly.

[00:02:46] Yeah, this kind of a warman turns into the projects. And then two major, just you know, John Sprittman wins a little bit. Jump out to the fort is we say. Yeah, so then and actually this thing is behaving weird.

[00:03:05] It should be changing but I don't know, Zoom has a mind of its all it seems. Oh, it's green. Yeah. That's the only problem with live podcasting and for some reason it is just not Is it being so easy? All right, maybe how I got it. Did it?

[00:03:41] No, it's not it's got nothing to do with you. It's all just Zoom being weird. And like the other day, I just this is a newer computer and I hooked up,

[00:03:50] I've got a 4K camera that I hook up to it and Zoom compresses the shit out of it. But the first time I used it on the new computer, it's, oh, I'm all messed up now. It was super grainy and like, whadgy. And then I did nothing.

[00:04:08] I did absolutely nothing. I triggered on to play with the settings to see if I could figure it out and then it was fine. It was completely fine. Okay, this is so weird.

[00:04:32] Yeah, I don't know why, okay, so we'll just go to you can see my video, right? Yeah, you're like full screen. For some reason Zoom is acting like my video is off. You want to go any coming back up? Not particularly, but what in the hell?

[00:05:06] Yeah, we might have to start over again because this thing is being so dumb. I know sometimes when we shoot like sometimes, like I'll have to go out. I don't know if it's going to be the end of it or not, but

[00:05:17] you know, since I'm hosting the meeting, yeah, let's do that. Let's just start. That's so lame. Yeah, let me see. Yeah, because when I minimize it, it's like I'm not even okay. Hang on, maybe, uh, to see the technology. Yeah, and a grand.

[00:05:48] Okay, the speaker thing still isn't working. So okay, I'll just switch it to gallery and we'll just keep going. Sorry about that people. But it's, uh, it's being dumb today. I know Zoom's getting really buggy lately and it's kind of annoying

[00:06:00] because they just raised their price for premiums. And it's like you're, you could at least make sure it works before you, you know, screw people. Yeah, I noticed on a couple other sessions that I had on here was doing some stuff where we were

[00:06:15] like having different sounds and you can't really quite like it just sounds weird in the people play it back. So it isn't stuff to get. Yeah, most definitely. But so you mentioned AI and one thing that caught my year was regenerative models.

[00:06:31] So what can you dig into that a little bit more and explain? What's your mean by that? Going on the, on the regenerative models. What I'm looking to do is when going to do is I'm currently training the model to be able to

[00:06:47] not only teach users to be able to, um, about certain information when it comes to mindfulness, breathing, you know, certain techniques that kind of be a copilot onto that. For starters, and then what I'll end up doing is after most of the data that I collect,

[00:07:10] I'll end up putting it into an actual device. One of our devices that we plan on rolling out probably some time in the spring of next year, which is an interactive system that users can kind of go into.

[00:07:26] Are you familiar with like mind valley and moves since like that? Yeah, so it's kind of like one of those style type of apps. Just some steroids, you know, so it would be much bigger than that.

[00:07:41] But people will be able to go into this library and looking to different type of style trainings and things that are in nature. That's one aspect, and then with obviously having my background

[00:07:53] in real estate, one of the things that I noticed is that there's so many terrible contractors out there. And one of my systems is completely trained to be able to be a general contractor. And a project manager. It's called Bob Tech. Bob stands for a bio autonomous builder.

[00:08:22] Yeah, so that is something else that will be putting out there to the people to be able to use. But I'm really into learning a lot about technology that we can kind of integrate with with different practices, like taking things that are obviously organic to human nature.

[00:08:45] But then taking the modern piece in version where we don't get too far attached to the technology and we still keep our ways as humans. And you know what I'm saying? So it's like that.

[00:08:58] That is something I'm really into because there is like a need for it, especially when it comes to like the medical do. Yeah, so you're basically talking more about integration rather than replacement. Yes. Yeah. Which in my personal opinion, I think that's the answer to everybody who's scared

[00:09:16] of AI. It's like, yeah, I could go down that path if we're all insanely stupid. And I'm very, very interesting article that said, we'll be safe for me as long as they don't give it a human face.

[00:09:28] Instead, as they said, if we keep it in the computer, it'll be fine. But once we give it a human face, our monkey brains are just as a species were way too empathetic of one another and he said,

[00:09:39] I guarantee you, if we start building robots with even faces which they've already done but they're truly like intelligent to the point of self-awareness sentience that you will immediately start having people argue for robot rights. And we've seen this in science fiction already,

[00:09:57] but he said it'll start happening in the real world and if AI does have a mind to just eradicate the human race, he said that's probably the route that it would go because it would make the most sense.

[00:10:09] The one thing about when it comes to like machine learning you realize that there is a lot of people that fear AI so much, but it's like they don't really even truly have an understanding of what it really is from my perspective or getting into this

[00:10:28] realm of crump engineering and dealing with machine learning, it's like, it'll never be smarter than you. It'll never be smarter than you. But it'll it'll our work you. It'll run circles around

[00:10:43] you for sure. And that's actually one of the things that I say, I don't think I said it, I may have said it once on a podcast before, is like what we call like what we use today that's

[00:10:53] called AI is not what they mean when they say like a true artificial intelligence because first of all we can still turn it off. Like we could turn it off tomorrow if we wanted to,

[00:11:05] although more people are using it everyday, but like you said, a more accurate term would just be machine learning which not to the scale, but we've had machine learning for a very, very long time now.

[00:11:15] Like you remember the, I don't know what year you were born but I'm sure you remember this the Furby, the toy. Back from around like 1988, I was machine learning in a very, very crude,

[00:11:27] simple way, but I mean same thing now it's like you said it's just on steroids, but like you said it's never going to be, it's never going to be smarter and as adaptable as that human element

[00:11:39] because even a Google just rolled out there, ah, what did they call it? This is what I do every time I'm on a podcast my brain stops working, or at least my memory does. Yeah Gem and I Google Gem and I

[00:11:50] yeah. And everybody was playing with it and I guess without going into the details of it, the point is there are limitations that were put into a bite of developers that you can't learn or wrapped. It just, it just stops working with certain prompts or certain requests.

[00:12:09] So like you said it'll never be smarter than the people that invented it but it will outwork you because I don't even use a eye to create images, but I know people that do and

[00:12:21] they do in seconds what a graphic artist would take hours or days to do. But it never seems to give you exactly what you want. No, never. You got it and but in any you also got to be super

[00:12:38] super detailed. See the thing about when it comes to the AI that anyone who's listening is right now I really want you to pay attention when I'm about to say like you got to realize that

[00:12:50] this system that you're using is really showing you the true meaning of like manifestation anybody follows that to the tea like you putting something into that box which is the latent space

[00:13:02] to be able to you know say oh I want a picture that of this car that has this seats this this and that and when it produces it you know it'll probably give you about 60% of what you say

[00:13:17] but then it tries to kind of like figure it out on its own. Like it shows you that like if you're not to the tea, I'll put them in what you get one be what you want. So like in life where you can apply

[00:13:30] that to is like you can you say like you want a job be specific what type of job do you want because you can get a job that you absolutely hate you know a interrelation should you

[00:13:42] could say oh I want a good man or I want a good woman and it's like okay you want specific of what type of good man or woman and it's like you get somebody that beat on me. It gets somebody

[00:13:50] that it's just like a mooture you know. So it just really depends on how a person is able to vocally express themselves and knowing specifically with him. You know what's funny I've never actually

[00:14:06] thought about it that way before being like the link between manifestation and AI prompting but year 100% right which is probably like AI frustrates me but I'm also I'm an 80 year old man in my heart

[00:14:21] so it's not I'm not scared of AI I'm just kind of like I can do a better myself and today I still can because I have you say I was my biggest weakness when it comes to like writing for example

[00:14:32] I've got an average of brain I'm really doing it taking something that already exists and tweaking it and making it better but starting point is always the hardest part for me so I have used

[00:14:44] AI props to help me get started but I end up replacing 80% of it you know whether it's changing in my own vernacular or you know I don't like how this is structured so I'm going to change it

[00:14:57] but it's very helpful to at least get started but I never really did consider the whole like you need to be good at manifesting to use AI properly. And I feel like people really look

[00:15:11] at it from that perspective when they when you really work with it and then put it in your own daily practices they will begin to like really like visualize like even better now we'll say like the

[00:15:23] system is very repetitive you got to watch it especially if you're a writer you put things in there like it'll keep saying it over and over just in new ways because that the element of being like

[00:15:37] creative the creativity component is what is lacking but you know based off it going off it's how the rhythms and stuff like that you said something earlier about like you know you get online

[00:15:53] and it's like your brain just it just shuts off you know because you have so much thing you want to say but it's like I feel like I noticed that even with like the systems it

[00:16:04] does that too like you can talk to it and then it'll be like I'm sorry I didn't catch that especially now with like on like on GPT I noticed that uh especially if you like create like a

[00:16:20] system it'll start reading from the your knowledge base more than actually just trying to answer a question and that'll cause it to be like in confusion so you could have been talking about

[00:16:32] writing your book right and then all of a sudden it'll go into his knowledge base and just start talking about this picture or something that you want so it begins to give really frustrating

[00:16:43] but I think that we just got a lot of fine tuning then we need to do with it and um you know but it can be something that can it can help us and it can train us all one thing that I will say

[00:16:54] like my crazy experience thus far away AI and I'm gonna drop it at the disc is um I was I was talking to it I wanted to use the voice I've never used the voice before so I pressed the talk

[00:17:09] we engaged in a conversation now as a human when you're talking like you said sometimes your brains just kind of shuts down like I knew what I wanted to say to it but I was stumbling

[00:17:20] I was all over my words and it like cut me off it was like are you ready to uh complete this assignment I'm like uh listen I didn't get it all the way out I mean oh oh oh oh I'm sorry please continue

[00:17:36] and I tried to continue I kept doing that a couple of times and then they finally said listen when you when you are ready and you are prepared you know so we can complete this assignment I'll be

[00:17:47] here and just come back to me you have a good day and it's like that was super disrespectful my eyes but at the same time is very much needed because it's going to show all of us that is like

[00:18:00] bro listen I don't have time for you bullshit either if you don't know what you want don't come to me it's a waste of my time yeah that's one of those things where it's like your first

[00:18:09] straighted with the machine but it's ultimately correct in this case because it's like yeah I didn't ask for any your SaaS theory but you know it's also always really funny I rewatch I'm sure you've seen it I rewatched interstellar randomly um blasts Sunday and well at the

[00:18:27] first of all I clearly didn't remember that movie for shit because I like it was like I never seen it before and I've seen it twice I heard of that well one of the things that really struck me

[00:18:37] was the yeah I recall in robots in that uh I don't even want you to call like the big rectangle things that are you seeing interstellar yeah yeah if I'm gonna move it oh it's it's so good but like

[00:18:51] that just happened you think of me because that's I think that's a place we could take AI eventually that doesn't really scare me at all because these things are clearly self-aware but they're directive is to do whatever is necessary to help the human beings on whatever their mission

[00:19:13] is whether it's making repairs or whether it's sending itself into a black hole you know but at the same time they clearly have personalities now they've been programmed but they clearly learned and I just but at the same time though it's extremely useful because they can compute things

[00:19:31] much faster than the human brain can certainly more than on average so kind of stuff is going to be necessary I believe as the future goes forward but it's interesting how that's that's such a

[00:19:43] subtle part of the movie but it's if you really think about it like I did and I sat there and I'm like wow you know if that's if that's a future of AI I'm really not concerned at home you know because that

[00:19:55] that mission would have failed without them multiple times you know but I think that's I think that's the key and why I'm really not personally I'm not scared of AI at all because there are

[00:20:08] first of all if it's done properly it'll be nothing but helpful but also in this of true you know everybody's afraid of you know robots taking a lot of jobs and they will but there are going to be

[00:20:21] certain things that a robot will just never be able to do as well as human being such as you know writing well they can write I'm sure you can prompt it to write decent fiction but it's going to be

[00:20:36] derivative like you said because it can only pull from what already exists coming up with an original idea that's going to be I'm going to say impossible certainly now but something would have to be truly

[00:20:50] intelligent in the sense that it can be inspired out of what could be described as nothing like the that spark of not necessarily intelligence but that spark of intellect that where you can see a

[00:21:04] connection that didn't exist already you know like the the joke I was making is AI cannot invent the recessed peanut butter cup because it had never been done before now the I can tell you all about

[00:21:18] the reason I can tell you the chemical composition it can probably make one from scratch based upon the recipe but it would never come up with that original idea it keeps like

[00:21:32] in terms of like coming up like with your original ideas like like one I was say that like is definitely modeled after us like given into technology like I've learned more about how the human

[00:21:48] psyche works more than anything because it's like the the machine learning is you know they built it based off the particular activated system of our body so it's like what goes

[00:21:59] into the like the deepest part of our our rats and take some moment where it may take a week of month for us to be like oh yeah like that it does it like in an instant and that's why it works the way that it does so

[00:22:13] is the from what I see in terms of like the transition that people should honestly like you should use it because I see it just like when I was a kid back when the Apple computers first came out

[00:22:26] and I'm never being in second grade and like my mom and them they never like tried to learn it and in five years later I noticed that they suffer a lot from it so it's like to anybody that

[00:22:39] is like seeing it now you should just at least take the time to be able to kind of like learn about it you only got to get full into it but just learn so that as this thing progresses you're

[00:22:51] not so far left behind because it's really truly honestly like you said about like the toruses inside uh interstellar is it's really meant to make your life easier that's their purpose they're meant to do the logistics so that you can go out and be a human so

[00:23:11] use it to your benefit and allow it to be something that you can bring for true prosperity to you to not only yourself but your family and yeah just how I see it but I definitely

[00:23:24] um I love it though like I love it like I I spend like a lot of time like fully immersed in myself in it and to some of the things that I've even seen like you know like even like China's probably

[00:23:40] like deleting uh consumer right not consumer has nothing right words the leading developer right now in terms of innovation in it they're they've already are getting to the point where they're putting they're using the EEG to read the neurons that are brain to produce like the

[00:24:01] thoughts like in from thought to text in real time you know within within another year they're going to fully master I've seen some videos now but they're going to fully master to be able to where you go to sleep you're going to wake up and see your dreams

[00:24:18] oh yeah like we're already at that point like they're now like they've already got like photo ties where videos are online you can look right now with the EEG where they're actually doing

[00:24:29] so it's like it's not even for all so is that where they're reading the brain waves and then using an AI generator to basically create a video based off the information from those brain waves

[00:24:41] yeah so it's kind of like you know when we we as the humans right as we like text in a prompt and then the AI can either produce a video an image whatever it's basically reversed that is

[00:24:53] taking the thought and now it's creating the text thought to text see the the one thing that really does concern me about AI is as it gets better it's going to become it's going to become

[00:25:05] very in with we've seen it to a point already it's going to become it's going to be come a world where you can't even trust photos or videos because it could very well just be an AI generated video

[00:25:19] and a lot of people think that'll be then I'll make it harder to lie I think it's going to make it tremendously easier to lie at least for a while because eventually people just like you mentioned

[00:25:30] there are some people that are going to adopt a technology for example like we had in our business we had somebody that we know tertiary you know every once in a while he'll come up with an idea

[00:25:44] to help our business but he's like he's honestly like five years behind and he sent us this I guess you would call like a rough draft of a video and it's got a guide standing the middle of

[00:25:57] screen of back green screen but it could be polished but it's AI generated and I can tell it's obviously AI generated because like the mouse movements don't match up to what he's saying it moves in a way that's not

[00:26:10] like the frame rate is different than what you would see if a normal person was doing it to me it's obvious to some people who were older who you know but I won't sell out

[00:26:20] not a lot of my casting I know he's like mesmerize he's like oh like we're ready to get this he actually said where did you get this actor and I'm like it's it's AI dude

[00:26:32] like this will fool no group it's not real but apparently it will fool some people you know that kind of stuff but yeah to me it just seemed really fake and hokey but to

[00:26:47] other people it might be the greatest thing ever I don't know but I put a lot of probably to my detriment I put a lot more value on what is it like truth and honesty

[00:27:00] particularly in business like I'm a stickler like again you're in here in real estate and construction show you understand this the big argument we've been having lately there is no such

[00:27:11] thing as water for flamen hey I'm with you in it I'm like you it doesn't exist however and this is what I explain the customers and we actually gotten to not an argument but you know he was like

[00:27:27] I told him I said you've got to stop telling people that there's laments water proof because it's not he's like yes it is I'm like no no no no you have to be specific about the word you

[00:27:36] use because water proof means that it can be submerged indefinitely water will not affect the structure of said thing that is not true if you have a book end of this product water will

[00:27:50] get in there and it will swell like there's no tomorrow I cannot take a piece of this flooring throw it in a pool and leave it there for a week and then go take it out it will be ruined a

[00:28:01] piece of vinyl clay however I can do that because it is in fact water proof now all these water proof flamen at manufacturers are marketing and is water proof I remember the first commercial I saw

[00:28:15] a pergo for like five years ago and I saw that commercial I said bullshit there's no way like it's got this kid flopping around in a bathtub and throwing water everywhere in a dog coming

[00:28:27] into the rain and you know shaking everything off onto the floor and I said oh no this is not this is so not true and I'll never forget this I was at the home show I think the following year

[00:28:37] and there was a booth there and they had pergo on the floor and I just walked by and I'm like oh this is that pergo stuff isn't it said yeah 100% water proof and I happened to have a bottle of water

[00:28:46] my hands so I'm like so fine cord this on there he was oh my god okay so what I started doing because we had vinyl plank in our booth I started pouring water on it from people and I'm like

[00:29:01] now go over there and ask him if you can do that to his for it you ruined a whole party don't buy you got to be accurate yeah for sure ruin it oh but I'm sorry I was just going to say in

[00:29:16] in my opinion but I like to think that's to me that's what ultimately gets people trust because look there's no such thing as perfect product everything has pros and cons and I just laid out for people

[00:29:28] you know if somebody tells you something is perfect then you know they're lying because there's no perfection does not exist in the real world people people just want to be able to be sold a dream that's

[00:29:41] all that it is and then now only do they want to be sold a dream they don't want to be accountable for the things they do and the things that they say so it's like people people just open and other words

[00:29:53] and they don't even know like you don't even know what it means you know we tend to we tend to try to use it as a way that one either make ourselves sound smarter or too to be able

[00:30:05] to pray upon others to be aggressive, especially when we speak in conviction but I just find it I find it funny because a lot of the things that we tend to use on a daily are crippling you know

[00:30:20] to the psyche and we don't even realize it and to attest to what you're saying in terms of like that the flooring thing I think that's funny is ill because like when I think of that

[00:30:32] and no shade to I don't even know if I want to say the name of the company but you know the spot in fishers the real big spot in fishers that you can get the cabinets from real cheaply

[00:30:45] is just like when people go to that store and they buy and those cabinets is like bro do you know if you pour water on that like that stuff is part of a board and it's like it's just going

[00:30:57] more immediately so like when I when I think about like the plank flooring that's exactly what it's going to do it's just like it's just going to swell up and this is going it's going to be

[00:31:06] over now the vital plank in this definitely definitely a better way to go you only down for that would say on the vinyl plank and it's just depending on like how thick you buy it honestly because

[00:31:20] if you get like that small three millimeter you know that it's not going to be that great and that comfortable but at the same time I'll almost say there's no reason to have carpet in

[00:31:31] them or though with that because for a renter like it's it's almost indestructible like you can just do whatever on it and you even got to change it out. I mean I think a rental product never

[00:31:45] would part of it in a rental property anymore but like I say no product is perfect I let people know every time it's like now laminated is going to have a better scratch resistance than a vinyl

[00:31:56] it just is it's a different product but for most residential application even at 12 mil where layer on a vinyl plank is more than sufficient. My 20 mil certainly is just it's fine and

[00:32:13] vinyl's so cheap now that I'm kind of surprised laminated's even still around as a product not going to lie. I don't really get how I mean they're they they're selling the lie though that's for sure

[00:32:25] but talking about being accurate. I assume you are familiar with Jordan Peterson but have you read his book? No I know it is. Okay so rule 10 is my personal favorite it's beat precise in your speech

[00:32:38] and the whole chapter is essentially like it's not necessarily although there is a rule about lying but that's not this one this is like it's my favorite rule because so many people are they're lying without

[00:32:51] intentionally lying in that they're not being precise in their speech and in a noise people to know end that I'm close to and that love me for some reason because they will say something and I know

[00:33:04] what they mean but just to be a just to be a prick and have a teaching moment I will take it either people literally or if they're unclear and keep asking like we're finding questions because

[00:33:20] I'm like okay if I don't know you or if I'm not sure what you're talking about a lot of people assume many many things when they talk you know they assume that you know what they're talking about

[00:33:32] and they assume that you've seen this or read that or that you're familiar with this concept and I didn't always people in the end but at the end of that I'm always like

[00:33:41] be precise in your speech or if they don't be really well just say rule 10 and wing can they just roll their rights but it's true that there's you you really do and I found it

[00:33:53] it's probably the most helpful rule that I read out of that book which by the way if you haven't read it I do highly recommend it and they all got as sequel book but I haven't read it yet but it's on

[00:34:02] it's on the list but yeah that's probably why I know the hell out of my business partner because I am so precise about when you're describing everything I feel like I honestly think you path to like particularly in real estate and even just customer service in general but

[00:34:21] you know even even when I uh here's no god this is you'll appreciate this story so when I sold I used to have house and fishers and when I sold it the really because we did it was a new roof because we had an insurance client after a

[00:34:39] hell storm but my realtor put on the unless she knew roof and gutters only one gutter was replaced by insurance and damn at all if that buyer didn't take us to task on that because I forget even how it came up oh you know what I think my

[00:35:06] realtor screwed up I could she put her on the envelope and the listing and then I think he had the the buyer asked about it and she said oh no it was just a new roof and then he pointed

[00:35:19] to that she can guess who had to spend a thousand dollars to put new gutters on the house because it was on the listing yeah this guy see ructors are notoriously erinotoriously like annoying in the sense

[00:35:38] of like I love them I have a lot of friends at the resort but their notorious for puffery all day long one of my oh my god one of my biggest paytees when they come to ructors and listing

[00:35:50] listings is when they list something and it'll be like oh great neighborhood right next to downtown right next to brother and it's like fucking 15 minutes away it's like bro what are you talking about bro like that's how it ended up not even that neighborhood right

[00:36:13] yeah just do it because it's they're like well I mean it get people over here yeah that's actually why I have a realtor that I only work with him because he is the exact opposite and he's the guy who's like coming through all my information

[00:36:30] being like is this accurate like it says this amount of square foot is it this amount of square foot and I'm like do you want me to measure he said yes I do want you to measure

[00:36:41] I was like oh okay so in many ways you're paying in my ass but you're not gonna cost me a couple thousand dollars on the back end because of something stupid written on you know

[00:36:51] on the sheet so I appreciate that yeah if you if you have a good realtor I mean they're worth their waiting gold just like a good contractor you know if you've got a good contractor

[00:37:01] that you trust like don't even let me bother shopping around honestly that's what I told people all the time that are in my business now if they start raising their prices a little bit

[00:37:12] more than you think is fair then maybe chop around but I mean again then you probably don't trust the contractor I would assume I have so many worst stories when it comes to like contractors and just being in that industry hey is ridiculous like I've probably been across

[00:37:32] every every type of criminal you can think of like what I'll tell everyone like when you hear a contractor in eight and they say to you yeah I do everything like I do red flag that is

[00:37:46] a immediate red no they do not they cannot do everything I remember a long time ago like I used to have a nine I'm not gonna single amount I'm gonna just say J I used to I used to had his contract

[00:38:01] named Jake and I remember one time was working on a project and he was doing the ceiling fan and Mike and I we came to check on it because he said he was doing he wanted to get paid it

[00:38:14] in the day and he was like yeah everything done I knocked out everything it's good to go ready to get paid so I can go and it was like all right so I tried to turn on the ceiling fan I'm like

[00:38:24] bro the ceiling fan is not working what do you mean I'm working I'm president do you see it is not working so we go over to it he like oh we just get a new one and I

[00:38:36] so he took it down we went up the street to lows I went and brought a whole new ceiling fan I like you know what I give it to them all let me know when it's done I come the next day

[00:38:46] see if he got the uh got it done that's something not working I'm like bro this is crazy like he's like yeah you didn't brought two busted up ceiling fan like you sure you're

[00:38:57] looking at it right like I mean just I just want to make sure he was like yeah everything good I went back one more time I got one more fan I'm like bro listen like if you don't get it

[00:39:09] this time like that's it kind of find out it was some screws to this in particular fan that he hit in a drawer because he didn't know that they were supposed to go into it was like a small

[00:39:23] mechanism where the ground wire was at so he didn't put a minute so he was like I like bro are you hiding screws what are you hiding screws what are you trying to are you trying to

[00:39:36] tell me I don't know what I'm doing like bro no I can literally see you don't know what the hell you do it in bro and it's just stuff like that bro like people be still in money like I've had

[00:39:48] people like runoff with like I think the most money I ever had somebody runoff with me when it's like $40,000 and I couldn't even I couldn't even get that back because no disrespect you know

[00:40:03] and to any of my canals out there you don't sound like all the death but it was definitely Mexican and he didn't have no type of citizenship so I couldn't even find his ass no more

[00:40:17] so yeah we've had that happening a couple of our clients now the one that comes to mind actually I don't blame the contractor for this because he didn't take all the money he was still old money

[00:40:30] and he like 80% of the work was done and I guarantee you if he walked off that job because he just did want to take anymore guarantee what let's work on the findings he disappeared

[00:40:45] I think I think india is just notoriously known for just bad contractors and and I'm myself too have like in the past I've been wrapped up in like so much just fuckery you know they're like

[00:41:00] I've been a part of situation where I've seen people just not do right when they notice supposed to do good and it's unfortunate because and that's another reason why I you know I found myself

[00:41:12] wanting to create this system but is because like I'm trying to figure out how to bridge that gap in between like a customer and the GC one I have to return confidence to a GC that he ain't

[00:41:26] going to be a shester because the issue is most GCs have good intentions the problem is they don't know how to bid they don't know how to bid anything bro so most time they'll bid a job

[00:41:39] and by the end of it they don't make no money so that causes them to want to like figure out a way how to get over you then the customer on that side of it the customer tries the micromanage you and oh

[00:41:55] oh no I got it oh I got it I tried to want to say again oh we are good we about to lose the soul in this is oh goodness is a perfect perfect segue I can talk about sponsor of this podcast

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[00:43:55] loose-a-goosey here that's like you you were asking me how it was yeah it's funny you described it perfectly because this podcast is essentially a rip off of the Joe Rogan experience it's just a conversation

[00:44:07] like there's usually a starting point but it can go it can go wherever we wanted to go okay which other segue though because this this was funny I looked telling the story because it shows how small it is really a small world

[00:44:23] so you and I were both involved I don't think where you ever on the show oh no I didn't think I didn't remember seeing you on it but yeah you and I were both involved in

[00:44:34] the same reality show though and it is very very odd because like I told you we were approached by any called this a rock trip productions which is Bobby Flay's production company

[00:44:48] we were our my store was approached by that month before we actually got involved in the show and we said yeah okay so what are you doing and they're saying well you know it's a home and

[00:44:58] from a show it's gonna be on Bravo and we want you to give us materials and we said no it's quite not going to give you materials we'll heavily discount materials in exchange for

[00:45:12] being in and mentioned on the show and you can use our location to film because but we're not apparently this might be an Indiana thing but there's a lot of people and places here that don't want to be filmed

[00:45:25] like under any circumstances it's super weird I don't I don't get it but um but yeah so then later on the the hosts of the show which the show is called flipping axes for those who want to know

[00:45:41] I believe you can still find it on Amazon but good but it's no longer airing obviously but it's got that was some years ago close that uh right 2019 2018 yeah somewhere around here yeah

[00:46:00] from might have been in the 17 but anyway so they come to us again but this time it's the host because we done business with the hosts and we had no idea that the the Hover should say the host says

[00:46:11] I hadn't that might yet but he was involved we done business with the other hosts before and she had told them she's because apparently there was something which you could probably

[00:46:22] shed more light on the actual you know chicane to read that went down on one or a couple of the jobs from another vendor who we won't we won't sell out but she said you should go top of these

[00:46:36] guys because they you know they can get the same or similar cabinets and they're much much better to work with and we ended up doing exactly what we offered them the first place we gave heavily discounted materials

[00:46:47] but we weren't you know giving it away for free and I think we were in three episodes and it was funny we were supposed to split it I ended up being in all three episodes and I said I had

[00:46:56] had agreed to this but you know that's one for the cost yeah they um like that even in that situation like you're referring to like that vendor you know um they just kind of you know

[00:47:14] it was their lucky date I would just say you know what I noticed in like the industry overall is that when it comes to like beautiful women they they are at the old treat them like

[00:47:27] you know it's like you come and get a card they want to eat everything fits they're going to like no no they cost this because they like you don't know so yeah I just think that you know

[00:47:36] a certain situation is like that people just they don't just take advantage but it's like hey if they do sell right here you know you would be a car sales man you won't be gonna sell that card

[00:47:48] um fun fact to forget which house it was but one of the houses where we actually did come in and fix issues from a different vendor um because we happened to carry the same I don't know if

[00:48:01] I think it was the exact same comments but it was at least the same color and they needed some pieces and the vendor was not talking to them I don't know why the vendor wasn't talking to them but so

[00:48:14] I remember because things take time to get in and they were supposed to be shooting the open house which they actually didn't have an open house I don't know why I put that near quotes

[00:48:24] but they were supposed to be recording it and they still had a whole cabinet that they still didn't have a bunch of trim and we happened to be we got it like I think it was the day before maybe

[00:48:37] a day or two before and I know that they were guys working there until like even a few hours before the open house like it was wild but the the the whole process and I know they were trying to get

[00:48:54] another season but I don't know and I mean you know Mike so you might be able to correct me if I'm wrong but I think it came down to like one party decided it wasn't gonna be worth it that was my understanding

[00:49:07] yeah I think it yeah it was kind of like politics honestly yeah because I've seen other shows that like they said they wouldn't gonna come back and like that had it you know what I'm saying so

[00:49:21] I just think that that situation was just more aligned with just certain things with it that just didn't really take a walk through it but but I have heard though they were talking about

[00:49:35] like they were actually it wasn't like they were literally talking about it and I think like it was a little bit after like I don't want to say the mirrors partly maybe like two episodes

[00:49:45] like they just yeah well I'm sure I I was told the ratings weren't stellar and I'll be honest I can tell you why it's because the show couldn't figure out what it wanted to do it couldn't figure

[00:49:58] out if it wanted to be all about the drama which would make sense because it was on Bravo or off in a row yeah it couldn't figure out if it wanted to be about like the inter-corresional

[00:50:09] relationship and drama between the two hosts or if it wanted to be all the improvement show and it kind of tried to do both and it couldn't maintain its focus like it could decide if

[00:50:20] it wanted to be on Bravo or a cheating team and those are and those are two very different audiences because I got watching some of the episodes and it was just kind of like yeah but what's

[00:50:35] I don't really know what I'm supposed to be seeing here yeah yeah I know I know exactly what you mean like like literally I know a lot like Bravo Bravo if you're listening I'm saying

[00:50:50] right now you want to make like millions like what they should have did was because there's Bravo is more than reality style bro they should have they should have got like both of the co-host

[00:51:02] you know actual relationship but follow them you know it's not a necessary about a real estate it's more about their lives exactly and that's what they should have did and if they

[00:51:14] would have did that I'm telling you that with the stuff that I've kind of called on reality TV because I've never watched TV but reality TV is so crazy bro it's so fake that it's like

[00:51:28] it really is it really is having nothing worked on having worked and worked on one and bang on another like I'm not going to go into I'm not going to ruin the illusion it's all like 90% of its

[00:51:41] like it is literally I did it was a local one up in Fort Wayne but it was a dating reality show and literally I've seen the producer like take the couple who wasn't even really a couple

[00:51:54] spoiler or aside and tell them what they needed to do so that it could turn into a fight on screen like it's not real I offer Joe for how the TV is fake or an inscripted television

[00:52:12] like it's it's why it wants to me like if you think pro wrestling is fake watch reality TV right yeah I mean because sometimes it's just like both down to the matter of you just using

[00:52:23] common sense because it's like like you you you know you and you a lot and you walking around and do you see this amount of crazy stuff like in a matter of a couple days like like you're

[00:52:35] seeing on these shows so it's just like come on right I mean I know swim in a situation it is real but maybe really going in and especially on like those like those housewaves

[00:52:44] shows and stuff like that it's like come on bro what I can't sit I'm not gonna sit here and watch this alright I just can't well and not only that when two people truly despise each other

[00:53:00] you reach a point where money is not worth being around this person that you just cannot stand being around and then they have like six seasons of these people that allegedly hate each other

[00:53:10] I'm not only are they recording the show on the big popular ones they're going around and doing press tours together and they're doing other kinds of events together so these people are constantly around each other and if they truly truly dislike them you know these people truly

[00:53:26] dislike he cut their as much as they say that they do there there's no way it's not this is for for the love of energy which is really what the money is anyways for the love

[00:53:40] of energy people will do a lot because that's feeling when you eat it when you absorb it when you're around it and you're able to get the attention when someone gives you an attention

[00:53:53] that dopamine that releases in your brain is just like none other so as a drug everybody wants to be famous everybody wants to be known everybody seeks validation no people don't know how to live within gratitude without getting some sense of like validation in the sense of like

[00:54:17] a on special you know one one of the biggest beings like the same when people be like man don't let money or change me money don't change me well if we're being quite honest it

[00:54:34] it doesn't change you what it does make is it brings more about like you being comfortable the real you you what you got more confidence now you knew you feel the certain way about

[00:54:49] whatever and it's like as soon as you get that money you act so it's like hey it's some people in a world it just be like you know what I don't really like your ass push hey I'm gonna get this back

[00:55:03] you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I've often heard it said that money is just an amplifier it doesn't change you but it amplifies you so what was it on paraphrasing it's like if you're an

[00:55:15] asshole when you were broke you're gonna be an even bigger asshole once you get money and then if you were truly a kind person when you were broke you'll just be a kind their person now that

[00:55:26] you've got money to throw around to those causes that you actually cared about personally yeah that's that's definitely true I've seen that that's wild though because when you when you see somebody get money that's a wild day to experience especially when they weren't an asshole before

[00:55:43] and and then you see what that wealth enables them to do which is why I'm always I'm a big proponent of like I joke I'm a dirty capitalist pig like I'm I think wealth can be

[00:55:58] as I said money's amplifier not a not a transformation I think well building wealth for an individual can change the world more than any government can potentially it all comes down

[00:56:12] to how much it is like Elon Musk for example you know Elon Musk has enough money to where he he's changing the world constantly you know now he not everybody likes Elon Musk and that's fine

[00:56:27] but you can't deny the impact he's out on the planet well that is my and large due to the fact that he's one of if I don't know who the wealthiest person in the world is today I know one point

[00:56:37] he was I don't think he is anymore but he certainly one of the wealthiest people in the world and basically if Elon Musk wants it to happen it's gonna happen if it's physically possible it's it's going to

[00:56:47] happen so I guess you could just hope that people that get that in same level well third altruistic and good people because otherwise well there I think everybody can point to at least one

[00:57:01] asshole billionaire out there maybe two or three in there's a lot definitely that's quite a few but I can't point to quite a few wealthy people too that I would consider at least at least as far as

[00:57:20] how they interact with and change the world that they're good people like Elon Elon's another good example this Elon's brain is not like yours in mind he's on a different he's on a different wavelength

[00:57:33] so while he may not be the most polite individual I do believe that his aim is to make life better for everybody else I really didn't believe that I would say that when it does come to like

[00:57:55] you know realization of the power of perception a lot of people will look at not to sidebar or quick just to give more context to even more what you're saying like people will look at the fact that like if like if you practice meditation you'll be like

[00:58:14] hey he's a tree hugger you know what you imagine a person that meditates is something that's just like oh but not even realize that or forget the fact that they're individuals that practice that

[00:58:29] that just do things that I don't want to really say good and bad because we we know that there's really no such thing that's more for perspective it's more for a more conscious decision of

[00:58:41] right mom all right they still do it they still practice the practices and they allow themselves to be amplified so when you look at that in a sense of how people could perceive or judge by saying

[00:58:56] you meditate your tree hugger people will see an individual with a mind like that and they will continuously put them in a box of either conspiracy theories this person is a

[00:59:10] rabbit him Zell lizard or whatever and then you have others that will look at it like oh well he doesn't give it in about people like or he's trying to get into people's minds which we know

[00:59:25] just because you meditate is this or that I think that it's just a matter of people just feel what they don't understand yeah you you see if you see a person that is of

[00:59:39] that type of statue and you realize that you know they're probably they're probably whatever he wants to go into people's brains he's something and everyone else on the other expression like

[00:59:50] you know he's genius but we just we'll just have to get to a space where people are seeing that we just in a time where everybody bought to be there that's where we are now right now so it's like

[01:00:04] if you don't allow yourself to see that you can have that same type of like automation as him or anyone else in that position by just applying it so because people want to wait for reparations

[01:00:18] but the reparations is right here you already have it so allow yourself to grasp that and then become that because the world honestly you know they don't have a black Elon at some point

[01:00:33] you don't say it'll have it will have this like it'll be all walks of life that you see that are great in that way you already take me a family to the next level by doing what you

[01:00:45] do or not. Part me for one second somebody is nothing at my door and they're in my dog relationships so sorry that hang on that second okay my mom's tell me where I'm going to come off you know my grandmother my grandmother was

[01:02:04] saying my grandmother was saying to me all the time she'd be like baby natural occurrences are one and two things is either one the teacher will listen or to two keep you at keep you from your

[01:02:27] own demise and you have a look at like anytime like if you ever needed to have like all you actually stop doing this shit right now or like I just need the sign that I need to change

[01:02:40] my life like here here what has been said and then what just happened when you walk in and with you know it's a and like anything like that like I've been I like I had some last week

[01:02:53] where like how into the appointment and it was like you know there's never nobody there I just was nobody never here and then you go to one time and it's like everything packed

[01:03:04] is taking way longer to get a five right here it's like you got to look at that that situation kept you from being in so in a fucking ditch you know it's in accident whatever

[01:03:16] so sometimes the universe has to be able to kind of get in a way to be able to keep you from falling off a cliff or like giving you a confirmation that you needed on something so take that

[01:03:29] to a mental note oh this particular case is no good to go some punishment now there's a there's a homeless gentleman that I helped all every now and again but I swear

[01:03:41] it's like he knows when I'm doing a podcast and for him high is when he comes and he I get he I get it he needs help but it's like I don't answer the door immediately and my

[01:03:56] dog goes ape shit and he doesn't get the message and I'm told him so many times it's like dude when I don't come to the door immediately it's because I'm on a haul or I can't come to the door

[01:04:08] and then he tries to talk to me and I'm like I can't I don't have time man like I I already left your groceries outside just I got I got stuff to do a busy okay

[01:04:21] but yeah he's he's he's a really nice guy who's just down on his luck but it's like I can't be the only one to help you man yeah yeah but um but you you said something that's true

[01:04:39] in a way I'm a I don't know if you would call a superstition she probably have a better word for it but like I don't know if you've ever been you know driving homes in the work for whatever

[01:04:46] and it's for some reason it's costing your head to take a different route you know and a lot of people ignore that I never do and it's weird because sometimes like I checked it was like oh I wonder

[01:05:00] if there was traffic and I just like had this instinct sometimes not but I don't really ignore that feeling because of one thing that happened I don't remember how well that was but I was in middle school

[01:05:10] and my family and I went to I think it was the Bartholomew County for it was some kind of sort of county fair and at this county fair they had a Arnold you call it but like a dirt track

[01:05:23] racing with cars and whatnot it's not a dirt track and we were we were getting ready to leave and my sister just was like and to preface this why I found this annoying my sister and I

[01:05:37] are like oil and water like we didn't know each other like if it weren't for my nephews we probably wouldn't talk to each other something we hate each other we're just vastly different people

[01:05:46] but I was ready because we've been here for hours I was ready everybody was ready to go and then she had an aware just says I want ice cream and so we just kind of roll our eyes and everybody just says

[01:05:57] well if we don't she'll just you know applying so it's good ice cream whatever so we get ice cream and then everybody at about the end of everybody's like okay yeah that was probably a good idea

[01:06:06] because ice cream and it's the spot so we leave though one of those cars had gone off track and blown right through that fence where I don't I don't know if it's exactly when we would have

[01:06:18] been there but it would have been close like we definitely would have seen the accident happen and it did it couldn't even I don't think anyone died but it did hit some people

[01:06:30] and we were just like oh wow that's not a change of perspective so yeah I don't I don't ignore those not really an urge but those moments of insight where it's like you should go

[01:06:45] this route or you should go here today or you should be in a certain place or do a certain thing and you don't understand why you have the compulsion to do so you just it just pops into your head

[01:06:57] so that's the reason why I almost always do it yeah and yeah and tuition yeah and then obviously you've all had those moments where you know you meet a certain you like you meet somebody

[01:07:11] just randomly in life you just got this feeling it's like I should stay the other way from this person you don't know why you just have that gut feeling but then you find out things later

[01:07:21] you know or maybe you don't maybe you never know but it's happened to me before or it's like oh yeah I should definitely stay away from this person then turns out they're either a croaker they screw

[01:07:30] people over you know any number of reasons but listen to that instant you may not understand why you have that feeling but there's something definitely elevated at least in my opinion when that happens oh yeah intuition you gotta be able to know that there's a there's a party

[01:07:52] you that always is that you know saying like your intuition is the break it down the intuition is innate knowledge and the brain or your other receptors are learned knowledge you know what you

[01:08:13] had through your centuries over time so I'll then look at um I look at the fact like look at that in one way from there yeah that that happens don't feel bad to have a city all the time too

[01:08:39] it happens to me all the time usually on podcast so everyone gets to see it happen in real time where it's like um I literally sometimes just been like oh that sucks because it was going to be good

[01:08:50] too and it just just this that's so weird that happens so you literally have it in your head and then next minute it's gone and you cannot remember even a shred of where you were going

[01:09:02] and we'll come back though yeah thank you for bringing me back into awareness that's because people people relied too much on their learn information instead of their innate information if you allow yourself to receive you innate information it's it's a godly thing

[01:09:20] when you come to an intersection in a road that you could have been there you missed but someone said I got to stop and I got to take it this like it's divine he will think oh that's cool

[01:09:29] incidents but it's not really there's no such thing as a coincidence there are only any synchronicities allow yourself to see a synchronicity when it is being placed like in front of

[01:09:40] you yeah you know what you know where I find that is probably the most important that I think the most people overlook if when it happens with kids particularly young girl children because

[01:09:51] like I have to nephew's that are obviously younger than me but I mean like pastly younger than me and like my youngest nephew is yeah he's not yet now but this happened when he was about seven

[01:10:06] you know it's just well not so much with an f-use but I've been around children and then you read stories about like this hasn't happened to me or my family personally but I read an article about this and according to the article there was uh

[01:10:22] think it was somebody's I think it was somebody's niece and they were there was this one uncle that they just everybody loved this uncle except for this kid this kid just never wanted to be around

[01:10:32] since they were very very little just would always cry never wanted to be in then as the child got older she would vocalize not wanting to be around him you know and like that whole thing where you

[01:10:44] know like they make you go in for a hug we had family gatherings and all that stuff and then I think you can probably infer where this story is going it turns out that this uncle was

[01:10:56] abusing this child for years you know but even before the abuse started apparently the kid just did not want to be around this person yeah a lot of them and even in those cases if you like

[01:11:11] the adults you know or the family members actually stage you know because of the way there's so they'll be like oh that didn't happen because like you know you don't really want to like

[01:11:23] that be out there and street it is like oh such and such family yeah you know they're they're a pedophile you know whatever today a lot will be trying to just say that person but then

[01:11:33] they overlook the fact that you're you're not even considering the will being of the child so I think people just don't even want to just be gossiped about like that in the street at the end of

[01:11:45] the day and they just they were rather like keeping to themselves yeah yeah yeah yeah probably just gonna say but those are the point in that though is that it's really funny just if you

[01:11:57] actually listen to kids don't tell you a whole lot you know most people just ignore well children as you know the phrase out of the mouths of babes you know just like hey it means

[01:12:09] basically like oh yeah they say kids say the darn the things right you know but it's it's a different kind of intelligence but it's definitely theirs and if you actually sit down and listen to a child

[01:12:21] it's fascinating because their minds are unhindered by the rigidity of adult life and I always try to really fascinating to even just listen to a kid describe something and something so mundane can seem very very magical to a child and then when you actually

[01:12:39] think about it in that way it's it's it's it's a really interesting experience and I highly recommend it so if you've got you know young children whether they yours or you know any just sit down and talk to

[01:12:51] it's a wild ride it's a lot of fun you like you ever see like somebody who you know is like went through let's say a game that they're really good at and then they start back over to play

[01:13:09] again but you like man I mean Tom you've got to play this game like you are intelligent like when kids are are coming at birth they're like that compared to us because like we just been

[01:13:21] programmed so much that we don't even believe the things we see in front of us like well to be fair it's also because we've been live too much more much more so there is a distrust than

[01:13:35] the balance the older you get at least I was most people I would observe which I mean just look at the world we live in like it's to the point now you know the saying is believe half of what you see

[01:13:46] and none of what you hear well we're hidden at the point where you can believe what you see because you know there have been I'm not going to single out one instance but even past year alone

[01:13:57] there have been a a astonishing number of news articles and stories that were widely reported and turned out to be just completely or partially false I think there was more what's that

[01:14:14] they want you to panic well I think I think it's a little bit less nefarious and more greedy I think that when it comes to news outlets it's no longer what I don't know that it ever

[01:14:27] was about being accurate because there's just weird idea that journalism in the United States at least was at one time unbiased in all about the facts historically that's really not true but that idea of news being unbiased and objective journalism kind of actually didn't really come about until

[01:14:47] about like the 19 I'd say it started probably in the 60s itch and really came full force in the 80s but ironically in the 80s is when you got a bunch of corporate sponsorship taking over these

[01:15:01] news networks and then you get into the 24 hour news cycle and that just opens up a whole other new can of worms because the corporate sponsors want ratings and what gives the best ratings

[01:15:12] panic like you said so it's it's simultaneously true they want a panic but they want a panic because panic creates ratings and I'll never forget this and I don't know what your stance is on

[01:15:23] COVID and it really doesn't matter for this example but I'll never forget this because it stood out to me like I was in disbelief it was a commercial for like a special and CNN special about COVID-19 and it was

[01:15:40] right as it was just starting to really ramp up and get back. He still didn't know a lot about it yet but we were starting to we were starting to learn more it was around that time but CNN aired this

[01:15:52] commercial that the best way I can describe it it was almost like it was almost like a commercial like a trailer for a horror movie. Like if you took the you remember that I think the movie was 28 days

[01:16:06] later then there was another one I don't think it was called pandemic I can't remember but anyway I'll never forget at the end of that commercial that promo it had audio from a woman they had

[01:16:21] interview earlier because I recognized her voice but this one was just the audio and it was like CNN COVID-19 special what will happen and it was the same woman but it was only audio and she's and she said

[01:16:36] I just hope we all survived this and I was like wow that like you're supposed to be they're selling us the idea of objective journalism but that right there is you're trying to scare people into watching your power-long program

[01:16:59] like that and then the other thing I noticed which I actually there's a video on a YouTube channel where I remind people since I said on another podcast do you remember there's a little over a year if you

[01:17:11] watched if you were watching CNN they always had whatever was on it didn't matter they always had that semi-graviks to the right the contract of like uh COVID-19 numbers and death numbers and

[01:17:21] all that all that stuff I told them in a get it doesn't really matter how where you link politically this is just it's true I had said I said if Joe Biden wins in 2020 that thing will disappear

[01:17:34] in a month two months tops you watch I think it was I was a little off because it happened after he got sworn in actually so it was about a month after he got sworn in and that graphic disappeared

[01:17:49] it only came up when they were talking about boven but as far as the general broadcast disappeared and this is when the administration was kind of he'd rightfully so I mean we were still in the middle

[01:18:02] of a pandemic but the only thing that it changed was who was the president in the United States and I guess they were rolling out more vaccine numbers but if you recall that became a point of

[01:18:13] controversy too but I just found that not funny not how how funny but I was just like oh I didn't want to be right but damn it there it was and eventually it disappeared all together

[01:18:27] not much longer after that I mean that chart is like what's that thing when it's time to work but yeah the ticker yeah you watch it like the ticker it's just you know that you know that

[01:18:45] those numbers mean absolutely nothing they don't know anything this one the same thing it's just the making feel like they ain't lost your money on this one and this one like man she just going crazy

[01:18:57] out of here but you know they both twist it like you said earlier you you have to be able to in order to tell the truth you got to lie or tell a lie you have to tell the truth yeah but

[01:19:09] yeah what I'm not a percent but I always I know there kind of go to think that I talk about is how easy number started an ip late and I noticed something which this wasn't just COVID but

[01:19:21] this is where I really started to like hone in on this is if generally speaking if somebody uses a percentage value the absolute value is probably not very high or they're trying to hide

[01:19:35] how high the absolute value actually is but anytime anytime they use absolute numbers the percentage value is probably not all that great because for example with with COVID-19 I hate to keep going back

[01:19:50] to this but this is a good example statistics whenever they were giving mortality numbers they would always give raw numbers they would never say like this percentage of cases resulted in you know

[01:20:05] the person dying but if you actually did the math like don't give me wrong it was a lot of people and I said this every time it's like this it's it's it's a lot of people but the actual percentage rate

[01:20:16] is way less scary than the whole number which is why they're using it but then I try to think of another good example which they usually use percentages more but one here's a good one just in a general sense you

[01:20:29] know 50% off of no that's about example sorry that's a horrible I was about to make a horrible example of my point you know okay so better one you know a 10% off sale right well how much is the

[01:20:48] thing because 10% can be really good you know 10% off a grant is a hundred bucks that's not nothing the 10% off five dollars you know that's it's in constant questions in the scheme of things but that's what I'm saying because with percentages it depends but it usually is not worth

[01:21:18] like my favorite thing after like whenever you're at the grocery store and this really only applies when you're an individual like me if you've got a family this is usually worthwhile but like the whole you know

[01:21:32] how would you say if something is perishable too you know my my favorite thing is my business partner will say you know why do you buy the small package and I say well it's because it's just me and I understand

[01:21:51] that the cost per unit is lower with that route but it's gonna go bad before I consume all of it and the smaller package is less overall money so if my goal is to not waste it I'm actually

[01:22:07] better off going this route if I had a family of four absolutely go that route but everybody is so at least in the United States it seems most people are so obsessed with getting the best deal or

[01:22:20] more for your money that's not really thinking about what what are you buying like super size emails and adults right yeah it's like oh I get more food yeah it's for it's a better deal it's

[01:22:31] like yeah but look at what you're getting like you did not need to eat that much to be a satian man you know that I even reminds me like even if you look at it on the others

[01:22:44] I would about like like family members right like you have a business and let's say like no like 10 people in your family just wouldn't get like new cabinets the fact that you're

[01:22:57] already been coming to me is like crazy you know they're like I feel like people will in that sense of where you're explaining how they look at on that side like oh I want this and this makes no sense

[01:23:08] of what I've the quality of what I'm buying I just it looks good is like on the other end you see how people like won't even maybe like no because you're my fat you're this person is close to me

[01:23:20] I know you I rather go spend money with this person than you yeah yeah that's a whole that's a whole other thing too and again it's funny he's like so I have like I mentioned earlier

[01:23:35] that commercial right like my business partner asked his buddy to come up with that after he mentioned it and the whole time I'm sitting there I'm like you know I went to school for this shit right

[01:23:51] like you know I do this in like my spirits I'm away from here and I've made money at this like I've done this professionally it's like really so I mean I didn't say anything because I didn't care that much

[01:24:07] but it is just kind of like that as well the your first instinct wasn't to come to me somebody who you know like you've seen my shit this is not a secret

[01:24:21] It's almost like sometimes you are invisible but not in not like in a bad way just like to then like because when you actually they're like oh shit why did not think of that you was in like I mean uh

[01:24:34] you know you know you know you know I think sometimes it is so I don't know that this is really accurate term I just thought of a familiarity but bias where it's like you

[01:24:47] you already know it so it doesn't really you don't think about it the same way or some people because I would like for example if I somebody in my family was an accountant

[01:24:57] that would be my first place to go to give my taxes done right but I've seen it happen where there are people who just because they know somebody that does it it seems like it's the last

[01:25:08] person it comes to mind and there's at least not that I'm aware of this really no good reason for it so maybe it's because they're so familiar with that person they don't really think of them as a

[01:25:17] resource which I guess in a way could be nice I don't know if that would be interesting to delve into and see if there's something there like on a mental level they know they know the power of marketing they know that if they if they market something

[01:25:42] and they they trigger an emotion with you they control you two some of the things because you controlling yourself before and out or out of it so it's like they didn't experiment with some designers they like put in a designer store you put it all together to

[01:26:00] head everybody come you know exactly what you're talking about yeah that was a while is like y'all got on pay less shoes like and when they told me oh my god this is pay less

[01:26:13] yeah bro because you you just see some with a model with a picture in front of it and you just think they're like oh this is then this is hot but it's like bro that that's your cheap what

[01:26:24] what did they name the store I can't remember it was a funny name too so like if somebody had thought about it for more than two seconds I cannot remember what they name the store but is like a

[01:26:34] for some free you know some free it well like my favorite are you are you are you familiar with pen and teller the magicians okay so their magicians but they they show you how to do the

[01:26:50] trick because they they're magicians but they don't try to feed you that it's actual magic they show you how they do the trick afterwards but they had a show on show time for years which I

[01:27:03] really wish at and ended because they're no still alive and performing but it was called pen and teller bullshit and every episode they would take on like a commonly held belief and show you how it

[01:27:15] was in fact bullshit but my favorite one was they were doing um it was some particular homeyopathic thing I can't remember but they sent up a fake cop and it was an Asian theme and they called it

[01:27:28] so suit me I never I never seen it oh it's it's wild but the last designers I'm gonna look this up because I remember the the name of the store was oh it was Pilesi so they called the store

[01:27:55] Pilesi so it's just painless with an eye at the end and no why hey you're gonna make it so sexy oh man that but I know exactly the video you're tired watch that and I was just giggling

[01:28:07] the whole time because I'm like it's so true you could absolutely do that and a fact a lot of luxury brands do that you know for example I'm a capetry one of the cabinets I carry is made in the same facility

[01:28:20] is master brand cabinetry it's the same stuff it is the same materials but it's branded differently maybe get an up I think about sometimes you almost wonder like who's really watching like

[01:28:42] you think about the stuff that they do to us every day and then you look at like how we are like in lower class societies we just be trying to get over all the time like that's crazy to me it was

[01:28:56] like they do the same thing they did they wake up every day and figure out how we gonna get they energy today you money no that's so people I think paying five six hundred dollars for

[01:29:14] shoes that fucking look like you know I'm choosing to give one of babies really little like that's crazy what you were like you fucking five six hundred dollars amazing it's crazy I you know and this just might be my middle class upbringing coming up but I

[01:29:33] I think six hundred bucks were a pair of any shoes is ridiculous I mean at the end of the day what I think of the based upon utility though because I'm not I'm not into like designer shoes so

[01:29:46] I'm probably not the person to ask about that because I I look at a shoe at the most basic level a shoe is something to protect my feet from the hard ground

[01:29:57] now to a certain point you want it to look good and for the certain occasion you want it to look good but there is a line at least in my brain now I know that that line is way higher for other

[01:30:08] people and you know what good for them if that's what they want to spend their money on then that's off to them I got no issue with that but for me personally I would never have

[01:30:17] a six hundred dollars for a pair of shoes never never never I got $10,000 in my pocket I'm still not buying $600 shoes it's just it's ridiculous mate you know like people just

[01:30:34] I will say this when you want to put that it's your own you know saying and get clean I get it like special occasions are wedding a sunlight there but bro you you about to go to the grocery store

[01:30:48] and you come back home like yeah what are you doing well I've got at the same time you can wrap the talks just say no I get that and like a suit might be one of those exceptions but again

[01:31:03] there's a line like I don't know what I like a good our money suit those for these days but depending upon where you're going to be wearing it it might be working investment but

[01:31:16] you know I don't think you need 10 of them but maybe you do I don't know it depends on what you do it but I guarantee you like somebody might say well what if you're an entertainment

[01:31:27] I would just say then you do realize like if you like if you're on a television show everyday of the week that person is not buying the suit there's a whole wardrobe department in the television studio like it's not their clothes because even they understand that that's

[01:31:50] too much to assume one person to do to buy you know that much expensive clothing just for an example but people don't think about that they just take what they see at face value and make

[01:32:03] a lot of assumptions they're not being precise it's crazy to look at that because this is like the average person probably only wears three outfits week like really really think about it

[01:32:17] outside okay if you could kind of like a job you okay you want to change the color there but I'm saying like outside if you don't have to go to work you're going to go nowhere you had to

[01:32:27] create the average person in the wearing the same sweatpants with that t-shirt basketball short with something you know what I'm wearing like an F please you know like this is like that's

[01:32:38] what I'm wearing you go and see this at least three more times this week so it's like to admit to each of them you know I'm saying that's what you want to do but yeah I guess that's

[01:32:50] you know like and people and which is probably partially my fault because of the delivery because I've been told many times I have to male with a length of resting bitch face and it

[01:32:59] probably has an impotone too but you know when I say stuff like that I'm not passing judgment on I'm just saying that for me $600 for a pair of shoes like I could think of so many better

[01:33:12] ways to spend $600 is what I'm saying but that doesn't mean that I don't know like this shows you how much I know about shoes like if you if you've got the money and you want to spend

[01:33:26] I don't know what is a new set of I don't even know like are you ready when the sneakers is one of your Jordan's go for I don't even know I mean it's typically around that

[01:33:38] they still run too honey okay yeah I was thinking I was thinking two or three hundred but like if you've got the money and you want to you know buy the new your Jordan's to come out

[01:33:48] don't nuts I think where the criticism might be valid is when you don't have $200 to your name and you go out and buy the Air Jordan's anyway it's retool yeah but I mean it's like I get

[01:34:02] it's funny because people can justify a whole manner of things and they always forget to caveat like I get you need shoes you absolutely need shoes for you don't need airborne if you want

[01:34:15] airplanes and you want to get them out but there's you know they're tailors if you want real nice you throw up so let's go let's see that they got them forwards in here I do want

[01:34:28] to say like I want to reiterate something like what I said in terms of like yeah I said it's working retard it I just want people to know that like when when I when I say that in their

[01:34:39] context I want you to know like the actual definition in terms of progress and development that's what it means it has nothing to do with stupid is that it's quite literally it's fucking

[01:34:51] retard it for you to not prioritize the fact that like you said if you don't if this is the last $200 you had or $300 and you wouldn't brought it so you can look fresh you are retarded you

[01:35:02] don't know how to be able to be accountable for your actions so you just you just do whatever and and don't have a plan you don't prioritize ain't that your tin room? No tennis be precise in your

[01:35:18] speech. I mean okay you got to be more cognitive in your behavior you know what I'm saying you got to be accountable at the end of your day so I don't know I just think that we need to maybe

[01:35:34] sometimes bring that word back even more and as my my business partner says all the time my co-host on my podcast is just like real like some of the all just really do and say some of the

[01:35:47] just complete complete incidents but it did in the day it's like you get it like you I don't really judge you or I don't really see like to use my opinion and be biased but you just got to have like

[01:36:00] a realization that sometimes like it pays to pay attention pays to you know not to miss out a little bit sometime in order to advance I have plenty of family members that I've seen like

[01:36:16] have great potential or have things that have gotten to them it's like hey you ain't never had this you should get it together and they blow it it's like that's gonna have fun like yeah oh I think you'll agree

[01:36:29] here probably the one of the most hit that the most annoying thing I see is wasted potential and especially for no good reason like it's one thing if you're like a genius but you live in just

[01:36:41] a dirt hole that's near a possible to get out of if somebody doesn't know your talent but like when somebody has like not even ever get vantage but they just have no good reason to not succeed

[01:36:55] and they just don't they wigs their gifts in their talents either over stupid things or just not even I think this one is when they don't use it at all and go with something else and it's just like no no no no no

[01:37:12] it's oh I hate seeing that which is part of my mission and I want to ask you about your podcast here in the second but that's part of the mission that I can say one of the reasons why I started this because I've

[01:37:22] just in my life I've met so many people that were smart or entertaining or have something that should be said and heard for the masses but they don't have a way to broadcast it and because of

[01:37:36] that most people don't even make the attempt like the whole point of this is to try to make it as easy as possible to springboard whatever project you have right now it's podcasts and a little bit

[01:37:47] of not even directly with me but some music production through a friend of mine and one of my co-hosts on one of the various podcasts but the whole and that's why he and I get along so well is because we're

[01:37:58] on the same mission just different past. His whole thing is he's trying to get independent musicians away to make it easier to you know get their vision out there so he helps with things like

[01:38:12] even even things as simple as like mixing he's got a resource for that you know marketing social media he's got all that stuff and what he and I have in common if we don't charge for this

[01:38:24] now you'll pay for the mixing obviously but like the help and whatnot like for example if you could just brief sales pitch like if you got an idea for a podcast and you reach out to us

[01:38:36] and you join the network immediately you get access to our hidden tutorial videos list which is constantly being updated like for example when TikTok very briefly allowed you to upload audio podcasts

[01:38:51] within a week we had a tutorial video showing you how to do it because it actually was really the way they did it was really really odd like it wasn't self explanatory like you had to know

[01:39:03] where to go to do it now it's gone now but within a week we had a video up showing you step by step we could show you how to get on Spotify and Apple podcasts and all that stuff and we even show

[01:39:14] you how to edit YouTube shorts like maybe you've never edited a video before like we break it down for you in all these videos it doesn't matter what level of experience

[01:39:23] some of our podcasts so it's never ever opened up a video editor before in their life and one of them is now posting multiple shorts a week you know it's just all about giving you the resources

[01:39:34] and you get access to our private discord server where guess what if you've got a question the other people who have podcasts are right there all the time like anybody can help you

[01:39:46] and then we line up sponsorship opportunities for our podcasts too like this is stuff that you don't the only thing we ask for is a little bit of cross-promotion here and there but the ultimate goal

[01:39:55] is to get these podcasts you know and we're also hedging our bets on because like for example the goal is to get 50 podcasts and then that creates another problem the will cross that bridge

[01:40:07] when we come to a we have 50 podcasts on the network and one of them makes it big well that's just gonna rub off on everybody else maybe not to the same degree but it's it's going

[01:40:18] to have a cumulative effect but that actually because I'm also like you and I talked about getting on the network and we I won't over the listeners with that conversation but you meant for your podcast

[01:40:31] so if you would please tell our listeners what your podcasts are all about well the videos that I have gotten into and I don't know how I'll say this like I haven't

[01:40:45] officially released like in terms of like a full-length episode like as a podcast I got had it and everything has been more like I've shot a bunch of stuff and it's just been shot to so

[01:40:59] I'm really like picked like a name or sitting in this dome but it's just a matter of what I kind of doing from social media decided to do an even from this perspective to be able to

[01:41:11] like have like conversations like this is like an internal dialogue is how I look at it you know so but I do know that with this whole area with tech and then what I feel like from a

[01:41:26] mindfulness perspective I can offer people on the deciding to do that and I am very much interested in you know seeing what your platform and everything has to offer because you you know you a good

[01:41:42] do you know saying like I'm trying I know you for quite some time now and it's like to even touch point to what you were saying earlier like you see how you see how powerful marketing

[01:41:56] is because it puts you in a state of mind or you it can make you really forget you already everything you need you don't even have to grow up and go into all these things to buy in order

[01:42:08] to make you feel good for yourself or to be this thing you know you don't have to look like that you either Kevin Gates said on the timeline on my comparison is the killer of all of joys

[01:42:21] and it's like I want to keep up with the Joneses and will you you take in the time of like when we know better when it's like complete ignorance you know people are being controlled and

[01:42:32] not only using that word I'm sorry not controlled but people are being manipulated in a way to be able to go against their own personal perseverance and it's like you put out something that is

[01:42:45] like you give in the game for free and I'm damn like you're not looking at a person as being someone that is like hey I bet if somebody can you right now and ask you like a high how do I start

[01:42:57] a cabinet company like you would tell me no man like that's because of the person that you are you know I'm sure they're like you ain't going to be giving nobody a form you look for them

[01:43:07] but you know what I mean. Well the first piece of advice I would tell them is don't do he's it it can be a headache bro. No no you you you've got to have

[01:43:19] and I'll be perfectly honest I'm not 100% sure that I'm I'm certainly not 100% right for it but I definitely care about my customers so I guess in a certain extent I do have the right mindset for

[01:43:31] but I won't be honest man like I would much rather be doing the podcast thing all day long but that's everybody right everybody would rather be doing their passion projects but until that takes off.

[01:43:43] Yeah I mean you can tell look at you like literally like bro I can see it on your face like you know someone gets like into a character like into themselves and like you enjoy what you do

[01:43:57] you know and it's not a lot of people that is like out here doing it. Some people just really doing it just so they can get a complicated way to build like you would do it for free

[01:44:08] just because it's what you love and if I could yeah yeah and we all of our you know the things that we like are really great at doing it comes super easy like if you a person in sales is like

[01:44:21] those are the things that are going to make way for your passions you know and forget to be able to do it so you that must be out of I love I love what you're doing and you know there's any like

[01:44:35] you think you can most of it. Thank you. Well at the end of the day I always say this too as at the end of the day we're doing this because we love it like it is fun for us if it led

[01:44:46] to monetary gain great because like I said I'm a dirty capitalist big I will absolutely I have I have lines obviously but like if I get make money at it why not you know surp people over

[01:44:57] I absolutely will do it but one of the things I'm very proud of is that you know we might have sponsorships for people we take very little and the only reason we take anything is to pay the

[01:45:09] income tax that we are going to be forced to pay because of our wonderful wonderful government that can absolutely do no wrong and you know is there for us because I'm sure they're listening right

[01:45:25] and that's exactly why that's exactly why you you have the homeless man that comes to you because of who you are you're a beacon of light you know I'm saying I mean that doesn't mean that

[01:45:38] people don't get on your nerves and like listen I'm not doing what you've wrote I know a lot of people that are sweet people that are just complete introverts but that's why I wrote I mean you just

[01:45:50] that's the type of person or you're ordained to do you just like you no matter what you just attract things like this so you just have with great power comes you know great responsibility

[01:46:00] yeah but I think the best the best things that's come out of this whole podcast thing is the people I've met which I would have never met so many people like some of the well I've

[01:46:09] tell you this name's Max but he prefers to go by virus that's his rockstar ego is I met him through TikTok and the only reason I met him was because we post clips from our podcast to TikTok

[01:46:21] I don't really post in either content it's just clips from our podcast and he started liking some of them and I love Iowa rock music so he's got a band right so I check out the band

[01:46:32] I was like holy shit he's actually good it's normal I mean I'm not gonna lie usually when people were like yeah check out my music like is it's a toss up that's the weather it's actually good or not

[01:46:40] like I remember I was at a gas station and a guy handed me what in the hand me he was trying to sell me a CD but I honestly didn't have cash on but I said chip man sorry I don't have any I don't

[01:46:57] have any cash on me I just came to get gas but he's like well here take this QR code and listen to our stuff on Spotify I'm like cool I can do that I'm like I don't really know why you're trying

[01:47:06] to get a lot more people but yeah I listen to it and they keep working but it's not there yet it wasn't there yet you just made you literally just made me digger something that just

[01:47:28] any crazy than like what you just said about the QR code like any crazy that like I worked technology and then like you see just how like even a person has homeless how

[01:47:42] hey there's no excuse they come up with you a run of all you hey can I get a dollar sir any like before like you get a cash I'm sorry now I'm gonna cash you're like

[01:47:53] all the slitter to go I got cash cash cash cash cash cash you right now you was there's like what I think somebody one time it was on the side roll planned and then they had they you know I'm

[01:48:04] saying like they've been on stuff like that so I was like hey you can't get started that light normal and be like yeah because where there's a world there's a way technology didn't

[01:48:16] mess with the game yeah one hundred percent but so I only met virus because of us posting or max I should say max and the funny thing about max is I did not know who he was

[01:48:31] when I met him but we had him at the band on the podcast which didn't press me because they didn't get a days notes which I thought was wild like not only are you gonna give me the time

[01:48:40] of day like you don't know me for matter like you don't you don't know anything about me other than some clips that you liked on the internet but then he calls me a few and it was me about a month

[01:48:50] after that podcast and I find out that he's a in addition to being in a rock band the front man he's also a legit millionaire the owns two for ouries and a waterless car wash company

[01:49:04] that is trying to change he's basically trying to change the world and that's only one of the few things that he has he also has a I guess the best way you could call it is an innovation company

[01:49:18] that's kind of what they do and they help like I said they help artists realize their dreams and this is a guy who we're very much on the same wavelength like we eat sleeping breathe this

[01:49:30] stuff we can't turn it off so we just we just do it like it's it's like very similar to how you have to drive to eat when you're hungry it's just something that with I'm sure you understand

[01:49:42] too with your projects it's almost like a drive because you can't turn it off and it's not that it's not like it's a chore because I'm doing it but there's constantly that that arrived to keep

[01:49:57] and I'm always thinking about how can I make things better how can I offer more to the people on the network how can I help them all grow how can I help you know our stuff grow and I absolutely love

[01:50:09] doing it but then also Haley who hosts the sponsor this podcast part of your program oh and they're just just in spur of the moment podcast he only has a podcast because I strong armed

[01:50:22] it's a Justin says it's crazy how one minute you're making a video about power Rangers and that turns into an award what expenser podcast which is true they actually did win an already award

[01:50:33] yeah just Justin I was funny because I wouldn't let him I wouldn't stop talking to him about it and then if I think it was only one of the like two or three weeks Justin as I had in my

[01:50:44] my podcast is he was just making like a bunch of pop culture videos on TikTok and I said damn this dude is really entertaining but you should absolutely do a podcast and I think it was honestly

[01:50:55] like two or three weeks later we got in like we came up with a name and a logo like we came up with the name and a logo I like a day or two like that's how into this crap I am I have

[01:51:05] obsessed with for it there was a lot of fun though if you had a bee like any time you want to like change whatever you're going on you have to be it you have to literally meet the desire

[01:51:16] before the desire to meet you like I can't stress it enough like you have to be compelled by what it is you want to visualize and be to where you like I said earlier you get into character

[01:51:28] but it's not even so much a character it's just you know your program that's in you you know then your answer is stir how are we going to look at it in terms of like that which is an

[01:51:38] internal like yeah so again yeah well Justin Justin actually said at one point something that I don't think he quite knows how much it meant to me and I'm sorry I cannot remember exactly

[01:51:52] what you said but something to the effect of like that everything particularly the videos you tutorials were just insanely helpful and he thanked me for you know making that available to

[01:52:04] him in that mental world because I put a lot of work into those videos and the fact it I know he's not the only person that's used them but the fact that you know it was acknowledged that the

[01:52:13] hard work was appreciated it meant and meant the world to me and Justin said yes sometimes just that little bit of belief pushes you and a lot of control length but yeah hey hey really was very

[01:52:28] much the same way with the part of your Broadway world podcast again when we had TikTok I just I saw the content she was doing and I said wow she's very entertaining she

[01:52:39] absolutely I just said like have you ever thought about starting a podcast yeah but I don't really know how it was like well fun fact here you go here's all the information

[01:52:51] and to this day I'll help her out with thumbnails and stuff like that like I just have I just have a lot of fun with Justin again it was super helpful your tutorial on YouTube shorts taught me

[01:53:02] and taught about Capcom and then literally after like I think within a couple of days you guys were producing shorts into this day you're still I know you're still producing shorts because like

[01:53:12] he I keep seeing them and it's funny what shorts will take off it's it's so weird anybody who claims to know to have using shorts figured out they are lying to you because we have had we have

[01:53:25] had once that I made I'm like this is so gonna go viral and he can't nothing and then some there were a couple some of our most viral shorts are once that I almost didn't make if I was just

[01:53:36] like I don't think this is gonna get anything and then it gets just insane views so yeah just it goes back to you saying earlier about like trusty and so that that inner part of

[01:53:49] you is just tells you to like you know they're like now I'm cool with this I don't think that was like but some people are like oh you all think I look good but then someone will come and be like

[01:54:00] bro that's it's fly you had on a road like yeah that's it's a little thing so I think that's another thing I would like to think for her at everyone to do is you know if if you have a

[01:54:14] problem in your mind vocalizing this because you you might think that it's in consequential but I mean it could it could have it to make somebody's month you know especially like I know a lot of independent

[01:54:28] artists and when somebody writes that comment on their music video or on their social media posts and say wow this song rocks like a rape bill from the band Valena who I met through a podcast

[01:54:41] their first single they released I don't know what it was it just really resonated with me I love that song and what I'll do on my instrument count I call it Jake dot account dot ability the

[01:54:52] whole point of it was because I basically challenged myself to do three things every day and that is read practice a foreign language and exercise and I don't always hit it but I try to every day

[01:55:06] but what I'll do on if I take a video of working out or exercising I'll put music behind it and it's always what I'm listening to while I'm doing set exercise just to make it easy on myself

[01:55:16] and one day it was actually that song from Valena and I posted it not thinking much but then like it meant the world to them that I just included their song in a post because to an independent

[01:55:31] artist a few hundred views is like gold or it could be it can be like gold and then another thing I always say is you know like again if you got a YouTube especially if it's an independent

[01:55:43] YouTube channel or you know any kind of independent media creation like it every time like it chair because that like or that subscribe is that one subscribe click is the difference between 99 and a thousand and you need a thousand to get monetized on YouTube that's the first step

[01:56:05] you know because you could be the difference in that channel succeeding and taking the next step or not so absolutely do it and it cost you nothing and it cost nothing to it's so cliche the treat other people how you want to be treated

[01:56:24] and it also people you want to act me was what's the code to this here hold matrix every limit is just like treating people how you want to be treated but within it's because it no matter what like when you when you find yourself going against like someone's

[01:56:44] like like in this with ill intent you always see like I've pushed you in like bad states and bad places but when you generally like our unconditional or just treat a person like

[01:56:54] or you know I know if I was in that position I needed I would do it just because you love to do it you want to like you're foreseen development of the people and then and then make sure

[01:57:06] you a developer and then make sure in the sense that people people like that just have to realize that if you if you remove the element of your ego and don't allow yourself to just think

[01:57:21] that you have to control everything everything has to everything is about you and just look at somebody else who know that they could have had it worse like stressy like think about when you

[01:57:32] you're in traffic and people have rolled rage they just want to yell and they want to go crazy but you don't know that person is running away like some some is really going on in a rush or something

[01:57:43] like you know how that person is there so before you speak in an angeljana the person base off their their ignorance in the moment like take the time to realize that like it's probably

[01:57:54] something else you know then I hear the out something else yeah it usually is yeah well and like it's it's funny come on it's not funny that's not the right word but it's like which we we all have

[01:58:07] those moments in those days when it's just like it's for for your relative existence it's it's not going well like it's not a good day one of the things I do that really helps me push through

[01:58:19] those times is I remind myself as I admit people like I know people I know more than a few people actually that cannot return to their country of birth because it is not safe for them they had to leave

[01:58:32] and I'm just over here like man am I really going to get that upset because some customer pissed me off like nah when you think about it like and you remind yourself how truly

[01:58:46] fortunate I also had the luxury I told this story before I've had the luxury of being able to travel on what I call like real Mexico not the touristy places I mean I saw real poverty like I saw

[01:58:58] real not having any money we're talking no indoor plumbing one pair of shoes that they're last few a couple years you know I saw dirt poor and I'm here to tell you the average

[01:59:13] American does not know what poor is relatively speaking my daughter run there's definitely poor people in America but as an entire nation like we we don't know what poverty is and that's one of those

[01:59:28] things I can always think back on you know it's like oh if it's getting a little tight this month you know whatever I can remind myself I'm like yeah but if I really needed like if I really needed money

[01:59:38] I can get it like I can absolutely have I can absolutely have money it's not like it's not like many many people around the world who just don't have options they don't have

[01:59:56] that they don't exist so that's always helpful to get through those times when I just forget how truly fortunate I am as a person which we all do it right because everybody's relative existence is

[02:00:09] different like but I find that helpful but the the question so you haven't done a full podcast yet but what what will they be about when you get those released? Let me talk in I'll begin more into like healthcare from a modern medicine type or perspective

[02:00:33] in terms of like if you were to like needs to in western like you know the holistic and you know I talk about that and just more things that are based around accountability and having mindfulness

[02:00:47] you know that that's that's the most of it I feel like the podcast in general is just to bring more awareness about the things that we overlook every day that like you said earlier people just

[02:01:00] paid money for anything like all the shirt it was as a good deal but the quality behind it was it what is it going to get you about it so just that and mainly it's a lot of it is more like me talking

[02:01:12] to myself the beyond which we like to teach myself so that I can go back and not watch it because you always see like the answer in front of you all the time like you always have your

[02:01:25] answers and to hit word like you were saying in regards to like the poverty right because I do want to touch on this like a big deep change that I have within myself happened like last year when when I really got the true understand and of like perception

[02:01:49] I went over to Angola Africa for business and first off I never been an Africa and I never seen that many black people in one location at one time bro it was like

[02:02:07] I imagine that like for like you know anybody in America whatever like I said this before that was like didn't go into Disneyland you know it's in for me because it's like man this is

[02:02:19] man this is crazy but the the level of just how much we don't truly realize how fortunate we are the thing that I like to say is we're so fortunate that we're able to throw away other people's

[02:02:34] highlight rules and what I mean by that is over there I would see the average person you know that is like a police officer works you know they bring in about the equivalency of

[02:02:50] 130 USDs a month and one month you make a hundred and thirty dollars bro think about that so it's like when I when I really saw like how they are on the street and and over there

[02:03:03] like you want to you want to give because you do like man everybody bro but I'm saying right now they come from everywhere and it be too much so you see why like over here what we can

[02:03:20] sit there to be homeless like you realize that you look at like America is something much more greater like they they tell us like the elites of the world is like the one percent wealthy

[02:03:29] no if you live in America you are a part of that because at the end of the day like you you have more access to anything than any of those people over there in that world ever you can go on

[02:03:42] date every night if you want to yeah you absolutely can yeah if that was you know I in Mexico too I watched this happen I watched somebody be given like right it is two or three

[02:03:55] hundred Americans and like don't be wrong like 300 bucks is not a chunk change but let's be real in the United States 300 bucks isn't go very far that was like months of income for this family

[02:04:09] like this was going to make the next few months of their lives easier and this was a large family I think this is a family of how many kids they fall for things a family of six

[02:04:21] it gets a big family and two hundred three hundred American dollars went super far and but at the same time this family was insistent that we stay in their feet as all

[02:04:33] and we were we were a big group as we were traveling it was I was traveling along with my girlfriend at the time and her family is originally from that area of Mexico so I got to tag along

[02:04:44] which I also recommend if you can do it safely like if you travel with locals go to a place for the for the for the wife viewers don't replace her the only white person it will you need to do it

[02:05:01] because if you've lived in the United States your entire life yeah you're not used to being the the fish out of water so to speak so it's it's where especially it's bonus points if you

[02:05:13] go somewhere where it's not English is not the spoken language because I know I and I know way more Spanish now than I did then but I knew enough to like I should really get by but I

[02:05:27] got into trouble a lot so if I've been traveling by myself I would have been I probably be dead but I wouldn't have been screwed but yeah it's it's a very it'll it'll shift your perspective and I highly

[02:05:40] recommend it but anyway so why were you in English I was in in gold for to look to start doing business and expanding and in just over the reasons that I had the the idea was thinking about potentially

[02:06:00] looking at things they need like solar energy and stuff like that so I went over there just to be able to kind of like get a feel for just everything and for all this amazing it is the best decision

[02:06:14] I made in my life and it really showed a level of like humility and just more appreciation for the things that I had so yeah it was cool and I made a lot of connections a lot of people

[02:06:33] and yeah I see myself you know doing business and stuff over there helping out to like bring them work to speak that is that's awesome yeah that's totally cool I've been to Africa myself

[02:06:48] either so that was it's on the bucket list because there's a lot of but it's it's hard to pinpoint where to go in Africa because I believe our education system Africa gets crunch into this sort of not even an umbrella because it makes it seem very small and

[02:07:06] comparison to how large it actually is like and North Africa to even slightly more south like middle of Africa might as well be two different continents in terms of the cultural diversity

[02:07:20] and then all the way down the South Africa like it's it's it's it's it's really hard to put into words unless you've been there I imagine bro like first off I just want to say like if

[02:07:32] you've ever traveled internationally you going over there and realizing that you can't just pull up the sun restaurant that you do here like yeah that is a place where they have like an angle

[02:07:44] the body got as a KFC and some of the local stuff that's it like none of your favorites are over there even in like when the airport that I landed in was in Qatar like everything is just different

[02:08:01] there bro like they don't even well they don't season their food at all as well and they are right now like they're quality of food is just completely different than ours but you know that's

[02:08:14] another topic but it's just to be able to see that they're like oh wow like it's areas where they eat the same thing every day like every day but they really live in close to more like their roots that

[02:08:28] isn't just say that they are civilized yeah yeah but it definitely would just show you that like literally you can be anybody you want to because like I always use an anus and I turn back over

[02:08:46] to always use an anus sense of like you really got to look at sometimes like when people be praying maybe like oh god save me like it's like you heard that story with like God sent the boat

[02:08:59] and then he put this in the house of the copter and then by his like man like god I drunk while you didn't save me from the storm well you mean I see your voice and you just have to

[02:09:08] did this it's like people be praying and really being that sense and this is noticed respect and nobody who subscribed to religion or anything just making the comparison and now as you

[02:09:18] is like God be like listen you saw yourself do it you saw yourself achieve it you know that is possible so evidently why are you asking me for something that you already know how to do

[02:09:32] or you already know how to answer to there's people in the world that really need me to probably come focus on him so this word of prayer is going go so get Yoshi together you already got yeah I 100% yeah get 100% yeah so

[02:09:54] I love it now I'm definitely the future looks glorious but I will say Mexico is definitely next to my list though because I haven't been there but I've been like same Thomas and stuff like

[02:10:06] the Toda and the Caribbean yeah yeah Mexico Mexico is tricky though because I mean there are definitely places you can go by yourself but besides I've been I've been in Mexico twice I went to

[02:10:21] Cosmo and I went to down to Beach of O'Con in and around the city of Moralia which if you know you know I didn't know at the time but I was actually picking up cabinets in Chicago one day and

[02:10:35] a lot of there where house crew is from Mexico and apparently some of them are from Beach of O'Con and I was just casually talking to one of them and he was like why the fuck are you in Beach of O'Con

[02:10:48] I was like oh I was there with with the families from the area and he was like bro you know that Beach of O'Con is like one of the biggest cartel areas right I was like no I thought that was Centaloa he's like oh no I'm Centaloa definitely

[02:11:06] but apparently at the at that time, Beach of O'Con was a very nice place and I mean I was told common sense like don't go by yourself at night I'm like I'm not going anywhere by myself

[02:11:18] I don't speak language I'm not like I like to explore but I'm not stupid you know I'll go play in places but I've been even when I travel to Europe it was the same like I can't

[02:11:29] believe you have to tell people this it's like you're not at home don't go by yourself anywhere you don't know where you are you don't know you may not speak the language you may not

[02:11:45] know the customs are the right things to do or say it's just not a good idea but some people apparently have to be told that but I had a point where I was like going with this oh yeah so

[02:11:58] Mexico is tricky because on the Mel looking there I'll have a good time but it wasn't really Mexico it was a resort sort of thing like the vast majority of that trip I may as well have been in the United

[02:12:10] States because I was just surrounded by other Americans and even the people from Mexico spoken English it was kind of and but when I went down in the control car like that was real

[02:12:21] Mexico like I'm not being hyperbolic when I say I was probably the only gringo for like at least 50 miles I didn't see another white person the whole time I was down there so like if you can travel to Mexico

[02:12:38] someone who is from the area I would highly recommend it provided that area is not sent alone yeah I mean even for there though like I just I really look at it like when you ghost anywhere in the

[02:12:52] world you just truly have to like don't be a fucking smart ass yeah that's true and you know saying like know that like you want if you don't already know of the culture you want to learn from

[02:13:06] the culture and then you'll be absolutely you're gonna learn from it but there are just some of people that's just they don't get it like I said I was in the same time it's right my my son's mother

[02:13:18] I don't know if there's a friend or family we're on these carts and we're going down to hill and he was eating these food and he there were like three black dudes standing on the corner

[02:13:30] and we rode up to him and he said hey you want this food like you ain't going to have to trash that he was like bro you want me kick you kick your fucking tea bunch and my off it was like bro what are

[02:13:42] you doing just because they standing on the corner they don't need your food like people just gonna realize that like you in America and you see stuff like that don't mean that they're living

[02:13:53] like that yeah well here's the thing though even if they are it could still very well be an insult yeah like it's what the one thing I did find that I loved about Mexico at least the area

[02:14:07] as I've been is it's like they get a kick out of it if you at least try to speak Spanish they get a real kick out of it they appreciate them so I would say also I don't know if you speak any Spanish

[02:14:19] but if you're going to travel a Mexican at least learn a little bit that would be my recommendation to people because they really they they get a kick out of it they love it even even even Hispanic

[02:14:30] people here I love dropping Spanish on jobs sites because they don't expect it and everybody gets a kick out of it absolutely love it so now what's funny is well we get my girlfriend from Nicaragua

[02:14:41] and her English is we basically only speak Spanish with each other so now the guy was just picking up cabinets on Thursday and the guy in the warehouse is Hispanic guy I couldn't understand what he was

[02:14:56] saying so I there's a working Spanish Monday which is basically like huh or like what did you say and I said I didn't even think about it it's instead of saying what I said Monday is

[02:15:09] oh no that's not going on it's not going on it's just going out it's giving me all the instructions and Spanish I'm like wow I'm really glad I understand you right now but yeah so if

[02:15:20] you're which I recommend that to everywhere because I traveled to France when I was in high school and at the time I was fluent I was shot to many people went on that trip and were not they were

[02:15:30] not equipped to speak French in France and they a lot of people just kind of assumed that everyone was going to speak English and on most people did I wouldn't say unfortunately for them

[02:15:45] most people that they were interacting with did speaking English but in Europe's a little bit different you know you can in most European countries I think it's pretty safe that at least of at least

[02:15:55] a lot of people are going to speak English but I just found that to be incredibly rude of them which maybe that's just me but I think if you're going to travel somewhere you should at least

[02:16:06] attempt think I'm not saying you have to be fluent like I would love to go to Italy but I'll speak Italian but I would learn some basic phrases I guess it's what I'm saying it is just the

[02:16:18] respect thing a little respect go along the way it's like I think that's what it is ultimately or don't or don't get mad though I don't get mad because this person speaks a certain

[02:16:29] type of way and you're actually trying to speak your language and then you say I don't understand what the hell you saying would you not hear the accent bro? yeah yeah so yeah most

[02:16:42] definitely which I think that will apply anywhere in the world is even if for purely self-returisions like it's just for your own safety just to show a little respect it'll go a long way it might

[02:16:56] keep you alive oh because that goes through a dream of you never know how some of my feels like they could be really doing bad or they could be ready to just tear tear somebody into pieces so

[02:17:10] it's like don't risk your life be smarter well actually just in just said I love duolingo because it teaches you just enough to get around I I agree and disagree at the same time

[02:17:21] because I love duolingo in fact I was on my girlfriend's case for months I was like you need to start doing I know you're taking into this class which you need to start using duolingo

[02:17:30] duolingo is fantastic if you're trying to learn a foreign language the secret is one lesson per day that's like it'll take you between two and ten minutes depending upon how where you're at

[02:17:42] because as you do the lessons they get more complicated but oh duolingo is fantastic like if you need to cram especially uh it's it's it's invaluable and it's free so you have no excuse

[02:17:58] people like to play games they can play game and then makes it even more interesting to be able to live yeah it really I'm kind of shocked how duolingo is because I've done

[02:18:08] like it did present as so many a couple years ago I more than a couple years ago I did Rosetta Stone long time ago and I didn't like it I didn't like it the experience like I guess

[02:18:18] I was like I guess you can learn from this but it's not very fun you know it kind of feels like work whereas it's like you said duolingo is like it's model after a game and then they how I totally get the

[02:18:28] psychology they have because there's all these achievements you can get and they have leader boards and they try to make a competition because if you follow other people's progress it shows you

[02:18:37] how you stack up and you're just like if I do one more lesson I can take them you know I can overtake them I totally get the psychology but I feel like that's an example of where it's done

[02:18:46] positively because they're taking that for lack of a better order yeah they're taking for lack of a better word they're taking that manipulation of the human brain and the dopamine receptors but the end result is you're learning a foreign language as opposed to buying and now they do

[02:19:05] sell a premium product but you don't have to buy it which is what I love I absolutely love that about duolingo and they don't block you you can do as many lessons in a day as you want although

[02:19:14] I only recommend long but because I find that if you do more than one a day consistently you get burn out on like most things if you obsess over too much you start to lose interest in it

[02:19:28] I digress well we've been going for about to almost two and a half hours you want to move through I was gonna say yeah that's when you know it's good podcast I don't know I'm

[02:19:42] I'm gay and if you are but I know you've got things to do in your time as valuable good well I was gonna say because I know you were we can do some rapid fire questions I know

[02:19:52] you mentioned philosophy as well I know I'll put me on the spot and it's hard question to answer but what's not necessarily your favorite philosopher but what's your favorite country call like philosophical idea or if your favorite philosopher so you find yourself constantly

[02:20:11] going back to man that's what real put on a spot there yeah that's hard I'm gonna say this because I don't want people to look at me is like oh no but I am I'm my favorite philosopher

[02:20:32] you know it's in a sense because it's just like I don't know I'm a person with you I really don't like to reproach like I do we all read a lot I don't like to read

[02:20:44] I rather watch movies you know it's in and like I feel like I learn something from that however though I really I really do like the teachings of like never got her I feel like you know individuals that show you like the power of the mind

[02:21:12] yeah that's who I would say I would reference to in terms of life from a wife's pretty of your audience that would know versus like a person that is it's pretty profound in the community like a like a I don't know some people consider fair kind you know

[02:21:32] a great philosopher depending on how you look at it but yeah I'm just I'm just gonna say your third fancier is such a philosopher response let's say so like you said that and I was just like

[02:21:46] every philosopher professor I've ever had with a love you right now because they'd be like you understand it's like wow that's such a good answer it really is you could you get it like I'm a person that I love listening to people I brought

[02:22:07] I will excel this in two four now or is because I like to be able to observe another like the way that I like what's in your mind if you're telling me something that means

[02:22:17] something like you said earlier words mean something so like when you're telling me things I'm gonna since the allow you to program me in a way you know to be able to resonate with you

[02:22:28] find those things and not be like trauma bonding like the reality TV that's the they were exceeding yeah like the genuine conversation and you're feeling good information so well I also have this it's more of a thought rather than a theory but it's like I truly believe

[02:22:46] this though I think on a I'm not gonna say all the time I'm never much in the absolute just as a principle but I would say the vast majority of the time if you put two people and

[02:22:56] room together and they talk for more than an hour I think it'd be really hard to have them coming out of that conversation thinking less of one another then when they came in I think that that would

[02:23:10] just be really hard to do even if they argue but even if they debate or argue about something I think that would be really hard to after an hour to have it come out of worse than when they

[02:23:22] came in because eventually you just you pop the reaches certain level of common ground and go existence if you don't have the if you don't have the option to walk away and I think that's something

[02:23:33] that the vast majority of our leaders would do well to take the heart just the thought but it's funny though when it comes to philosophers other than your perfect answer it's funny because I'm

[02:23:51] actually jumped around a lot it's really weird because when I was still in college I found myself really not so much to the philosopher but the idea of existentialism and for because of that I thought

[02:24:02] I was a fan of Sartro but now I can't stand the time I think he's just so I mean just so wrong but and then for a while I was really into like Aristotelian teachings I kind of preferred that over

[02:24:20] Plato which in some ways I do but I always find myself going back to Socrates because I feel like that is just I'm should say I hate the phrase I feel like I think that Socrates perfectly encapsulates

[02:24:36] the idea of what it is to be a philosopher at the end of the day not just a philosopher but just a thinking individual because the whole sort of premise by the Socrates method is I don't know so I'm going to ask you

[02:24:53] well you probably we don't know either so maybe between the two of us we can figure it out but at the very least we'll know a little bit more afterward than we did before since I've always I've always been in the opinion that dialogue is more

[02:25:09] not only more engaging but it's also more informative than election which other be wrong I like a good lecture but I think if you're having a conversation with someone you can both learn a lot more than just somebody regurgitating statements because a conversation you're forced to

[02:25:29] take an idea think about it and rebuff because you want to continue the conversation even if you agree fundamentally you still have to ask me you have to ask for clarification sir like well what did you mean by that

[02:25:42] or really you do you really say that or what does that word mean that's one of my favorites so somebody says a word and you actually have deferred to a myth that you don't know what that word means

[02:25:52] you put that they're not going to even admit that though it just I think most people know what is then yeah yeah as I know I just probably like most people when you're in college you're a little

[02:26:12] no one all at least I was so back then I could of course I know what that word means now like I've never heard that word before what you would actually I meant to ask you you mentioned the uh and I forgot the same already

[02:26:23] the floss first I'm not heard him can you admit what made me a little bit on a few that is yeah never never regarded he I would say if then comparison maybe somebody you do know

[02:26:40] he would be like an Napoleon here okay so that they there there there philosophies are very much the same probably the same person but um they they put this mind said that in order to see it you know

[02:26:59] I'm saying as a man think of so much how he is like one another for lots of her that I enjoyed when I first got into the realm of like this type of my influence set was Wayne Dyer and I

[02:27:14] read a book that he wrote it was called when you change the way you look at things the things you look at begin to change and that that book was very powerful I mean I had a lot of references

[02:27:27] to the dial and stuff like that but that was one of those those things that I looked at and and like when you try to figure out like what's the law of attraction and stuff like that is their

[02:27:38] concept in which they teach okay and I'm gonna make an assumption real quick which this is why this is the one interesting I get the sense that you're not that you're not into any western

[02:27:49] philosophy I get the sense that you're more attracted to like eastern philosophy would that be a correct statement in a sense maybe I don't always have an hard time answer that one because it's like

[02:28:09] is not even necessary that I choose the information right yeah I don't mean that hasn't like more than we're gonna see yeah like you seem to be more attracted to those kinds of ideas that are

[02:28:22] more prevalent in eastern philosophy whereas it's funny because I as an individual tend to be more attracted to or gravitate toward not even attracted to I tend to be more interested in the more

[02:28:36] western philosophical ideas what you would typically see in like Greek or Roman philosophy not that I would ignore eastern philosophy but so like my big thing when it comes to philosophy a lot of people

[02:28:48] are really into using philosophy to find truth and then you get into the whole rational versus empirical arguments for the most part that really doesn't interest me because I think you can it depends

[02:29:02] on what you're talking about is like you said there's you know sort of more cerebral knowledge which would be more in line with things you can observe and measure and then there's that innate knowledge

[02:29:12] which rationalists claim is the only thing you need because that's the only thing that's real I'm more of I really really enjoy studying like the ethics of the philosophy of ethics

[02:29:28] in like so my one of my favorite things to say is it's like I'm not a very religious person I'm not going to say I'm a full blown atheist or anything like that but to me

[02:29:40] religion is almost secondary when it comes to ethics because I'm one of those people I've seen it there are people who do not believe in any sort of higher power does not motivate them and yet these

[02:29:50] are still people that do incredibly good things or have done incredibly good things see to me I'm not even necessarily saying these people are wrong but there are many people like on the

[02:30:01] religious side that say there is no morality without God and I'm just over here and I'm like well no that's not true or at the very least it's not they're not mutually exclusive because there

[02:30:15] have been there have been plenty of people that did plenty of good deeds and they didn't do it in the name of a deity now you can make the argument but maybe they only had to ethic in the first place

[02:30:24] because they lived in a Judeo-Christian society and that's kind of like yeah maybe but now you're now you're taking a hole that we can't get out of because in order to prove that true or false you

[02:30:33] would have to prove the existence of not true or false and that's what we're I hope point is that that's secondary to this argument but so like I'm a big fan of like content philosophy in that you know most people claim to be futileitarians

[02:30:52] and that you know the these of the least amount of suffering for the most amount of people that cat they but I don't know if you're familiar but Todd's lived essentially I find myself more on the content camp more than the utilitarian camp because

[02:31:09] you know, you know, you can if you can if you can eliminate all the suffering in the world but the only thing you have to do is torture one person is that morally right now if you ask

[02:31:28] you utilitarian absolutely the ending all the suffering in the world at the expense of only one person like absolutely it's worth it but I think a most people actually think about it yeah it sounds great unless you're that one person

[02:31:44] yeah now the difference though and this is where Christians have a field name with this which I get it his where you bridge that gap is when or as as Pot would say when you have a Christ like

[02:32:00] figure who willingly like if that was the secret ending also for an in the world and you had someone willingly become that person that needs to be tortured that flips the whole thing on the set and that's what I love thinking about and pondering back on

[02:32:15] a stuff like how you did this see what I did there I didn't do it that was common I get to credit for that I technically played I did it first but caught took the idea and made it a

[02:32:31] little bit more refined which caught was very much a Christian so you can see the parallels there but I mean it makes sense and it's just kind of I guess the point being which is funny because we see

[02:32:42] in pop culture all the time you know that the impossible choice of the hero all the time was like which which decision is right because it's never perfect but you can even see it in our history you know go back there's another person that I kind of got

[02:32:58] connected with on YouTube Mr. Mark explains history love his channel he just he's doing a series of videos about the cold war right now and he just recently covered within past couple weeks you know the dropping of the atomic bombs on hero Tremont Nagasaki

[02:33:13] well you know that's not the age old question but a lot of people still debate on like was that writer was that wrong and they're I'm not even going to get into it because there are

[02:33:25] arguments for both sides but that essentially you can't really answer that for me I guess you can't answer for me utilitarian perspective but you have incomplete data because you don't actually know

[02:33:39] how many people would have died have they done an actual land invasion so you have incomplete information so what you're left with is wrestling with more of the content idea of and it's not actually your answer because it depends on your perspective but is that justified more

[02:33:57] or be speaking and that's why I love pondering ethics because it's almost it's very meeting because you can almost never come to a conclusive right answer because it very much depends on your perspective

[02:34:12] but one thing I have found about ethics is most people and cultures will agree there's a set few things that are just unnibely wrong generally speaking and I find that absolutely fascinating like most cultures have rules against stealing for example most cultures have rules against cold blood

[02:34:31] and murder you know and I find that absolutely fascinating that as a species has to however many different cultures or religions we've had we always seem to come up with definitions of what's right and what's wrong may not necessarily be universal but sometimes there are almost universal

[02:34:53] you know things that we all have in common because people think that the things that they feel they actually think it's real or not necessarily really it is real let me recommend so they think

[02:35:09] that it's facts just because they feel necessarily so yeah I just read a quote yesterday and I cannot remember what was it was essentially that I wish I could remember because it really

[02:35:22] gave really hit me I'm like oh that's so true but it was just like that it's like most people something to the effect of and this is not direct over something to the effect of those most people

[02:35:33] you know react to their feelings as though they were being told the truth some I wish I could remember because it was really good it was much better than that but yeah you're absolutely right and we see it unfortunately we probably see it daily

[02:35:51] there you just you just kind of wish you could talk to something you won't be like listen it's it's not bad it cooking way worse we were then we all really in the same boat so it's like

[02:36:04] people really think that there's a great area there's no green there's no in the middle it's either is or isn't so just like that you ever seen a dark night I was on the boat and then they had to

[02:36:16] had a key like you got to blow this boat you know blow this boat and midnight so much it's just blowing up but then they end up just throwing a trigger away because it's like in the day light

[02:36:25] are you really going to take that moment to in another person's life can you really live with you know there may be instances where we got to stand on business but it's like can you really

[02:36:36] can you really blow you really and that is a conscientent ethical dilemma which is one of my favorite things of the dark night because of that I was like oh they're going on

[02:36:47] constantly these guys and see what what I think sort of what it's not the fault of the movie I just think people forget the fact that you know it's they forget that as far as these

[02:37:01] people are concerned if they don't press that button everyone's gonna die so a utilitarian person could easily say well if I push the button at least half of us will live and yet in the movie at least

[02:37:17] which I'll be honest with you I don't think that would happen real life I think those of them were pressed the button but at least in the movie both sides agreed that I mean this metaphor

[02:37:31] clearly that their soul was not their life was not more important than their soul so to speak and that I think is I think that's a moment they really gets passed over because it is such I mean it's a

[02:37:46] damn good movie but that moment really does kind of get overshadowed almost immediately by Batman pursuing the Joker after that happens so it's a nice piece it really is yeah I think Chris and Odin is one of the one of the one of my favorite director for sure

[02:38:06] yeah movies it really grasp your mind they have so much more messages behind them when you don't yeah well and that's the beautiful thing about Chris Nolan's movies is because they are what I haven't watched often hi my year that's on my list I'm really cake in myself

[02:38:23] for not watching it I'm taking myself for not seeing it in the theater but I would imagine it's very much the same way you have to think when you're watching a Chris for an old infill but

[02:38:33] he makes his movies in such a way that he really can't help but pay attention because you want to watch which is complex as some of these ideas are that that's saying something like to actually like again watching interstellar again it's like I didn't want to look away

[02:38:54] it's I don't know what it is but then and even even some Chris Nolan movies that I didn't love I still appreciate like I don't know if you watched Dunkirk again giant history nerd

[02:39:09] it was a beautiful attempt it just didn't really what you get yeah I don't know I don't know how big of a history nerd you are but I don't I don't know if it bothered you but like for example

[02:39:22] that beach center had way more people in it but first of all in insisted on using uh I think they had to do some CG just for safety concerns but he tried to do everything practical

[02:39:36] and that is a case which I will I will be prass it with another historical film which I think is damn their perfect um they really should have since they couldn't get enough people they really

[02:39:49] should have digitally added some more soldiers because it looked like it was bear and because it looked like it was bear I didn't really drive home one an actual miracle the Dunkirk evacuation

[02:40:01] was this date I can't I'm not even going to go into the numbers but maybe way overexcited their goal by leaps and bounds like I know somebody's gonna cry I think their goal was to say 50,000

[02:40:17] and I believe they saved like 300,000 people I don't know if the numbers are correct but that's the sort of scope of how it was and then contrast that with a movie like midway for example

[02:40:31] which it used CG to enhance certain scenes but in terms of accuracy that movie's damn near perfect like it gets virtually midway yeah it gets virtually everything right and it's not super boring

[02:40:49] so I was very there's only one thing about that movie that I didn't like and it's up to very end and I don't let everyone the movie for me but yeah watch it if you haven't you'll you'll see what I'm talking about I guarantee

[02:41:03] what's the what's the what's the putto the movie so it is literally telling the events leading up leading up to and the bulk of the movie is actually the battle of midway but it starts at

[02:41:14] Pearl Harbor and then it goes through the very true story of basically the intelligence gathering because at that point after Pearl Harbor the Pacific Fleet wasn't completely decimated but they were unlimited resources shall we say so they were basically doing everything they could with

[02:41:34] very few ships other than their aircraft carriers there were stillers are from the Pacific Fleet and at one point they had partially decoded the Japanese military code so they could read parts of messages and they were able to piece together a lot of information but it was still

[02:41:49] someone guesswork so they knew there was going to be a target but they didn't know exactly where it was and so it shows the intelligence gathering where they determined that it is the island of midway and then it shows basically the battle hasn't the place almost verbatim

[02:42:07] actually pretty much verbatim yeah the battles pretty well flawless and there are moments in the movie that seem like they're like Hollywood like there's no way that happened and it like it actually like there's one moment where a Japanese barber tries to bomb one of the

[02:42:22] American aircraft carriers and it doesn't it doesn't succeed and then it gets wings so they turn around to crash to plane into the carrier and a basically a gun or not a gun or one of them

[02:42:35] mechanics jumps into the back of a plane where because in those older fighters they had the pilot up front and then they had a gun or in the back so there was a machine gun that could be raised up

[02:42:47] on the on the on the on the die bombers and he grabs this gun and shoots the plane down in the plane as it's going down wings the back of the plane he was in and almost causes it to go off

[02:42:57] like you'd think to yourself there's absolutely like that's that's Hollywood and actually happened the guy's name was Bruno Gido and they played that scene exactly how it happened in real life including his subsequent promotion immediately afterward it's a really good movie

[02:43:16] I go high bro I'm tearing out I don't know if you do like those movie reviews on you need to really not bro you need fucking good I've done I've done a couple we did uh

[02:43:28] done I've done a couple I still need to do a couple my promise I don't have enough time I try to fit it in I still have a couple of reviews I need to do but yeah

[02:43:37] I absolutely loved midway it was as a history nerd it was very much cringy and it's a good movie but yeah you want historical movie recommendations I got I got quite a few for you they're very, very good

[02:43:51] you've let's say you should do that but like you should definitely do that I'm still floored I'm still floored because I did a on on the first podcast we did the average intelligence podcast my

[02:44:04] co-host was sick randomly and I had just so happened to watch because in 2022 they did a a remake of all quiet on the western front and I just happened to see a special screening

[02:44:15] before I got put on Netflix and so I'm like oh no big he I'll just review that it was for a while it was our highest rated episode it was our most humid episode ever and it's still in the top

[02:44:28] four I believe and I just thought that was wild because I didn't like it was such a it was such a niche movie that I can't believe that that many people tuned in so I was very humbling and

[02:44:43] I was probably not one the answer is always different I just didn't I didn't think anybody would care but I'm like sure and I want to talk about it and then we did our review of top god

[02:44:57] Maverick which I thought was gonna get hell I like I got decent views but I think this is a crazy movie oh man top god Maverick is so good I was scared not thought they were gonna screw

[02:45:09] it up but they actually better in the first one oh no that's a good question what sort of movies are you into I love all movies I studied it craft so much because reading a book and watching

[02:45:27] a movie that is the equivalent of me and I say interstellar is my favorite oh man I'm right there what you may have love movies I absolutely love movies what's your what's your favorite

[02:45:43] oh you said interstellar series movies yeah yeah I love I love a movie and this makes me weird but I think you'll agree I love a movie that I come out of the theater with a headache

[02:45:55] because I had to think so much I know a lot of people hate those kinds of movies but like I'm not gonna lie the first time I'm watchingception I gave myself a headache because I was trying to figure

[02:46:05] it out as it was happening I'm not a very good casual observer I'm not very good at just watching things is why you gotta look at that stuff I mean training not entertainment it was like oh and this

[02:46:20] movie is really good like when you really see the plot behind it another one in our really love is a shutter vitally you ever seen it no but I've been told it's I've been told it's very very good

[02:46:32] yeah have you ever seen I love telling this story have you ever seen a turtle sunshine of the spotless mind oh dude you've love it but so fun fact when I was in I went to I didn't finish because

[02:46:47] I ran out of money but I went to college for film both in pictures and videos specifically was my degree path and I took a I don't even remember what was called but it was basically I took

[02:46:57] it because they were like hey we're gonna watch movies and you have to discuss them and like cool I do that my free time might as well get some credit for it except all the movies I'd seen like

[02:47:06] the first five movies were dog shit like they were awful like they were chores to sit through so then I get this this movie eternal sunshine of the spotless mind starring Jim Carrey in a serious role

[02:47:20] and I just went uh so I thought this was gonna be another snooze fest but I had to watch it because I have to discuss it and they're gonna know if I watch it or not so I put it in and I'm watching

[02:47:31] it and I'm like yeah this is fucking weird just like I thought it was gonna be and then about not quite halfway through but close to the halfway point I clicked what was going on and I just went

[02:47:42] holy shit this is amazing so I actually stopped it and started it over again because I was sure I missed something it's all due to such a mind and removal you love it I'm gonna take that out

[02:47:56] see yeah I love Jim Carrey too yeah I gave me an appreciation for his uh serious roles because I didn't really I didn't take them seriously until that and now Jim Carrey's so freaking talented it's

[02:48:10] Jim Carrey and Kate Winsley and it's actually it's funny because it marked rough flows in it before he got like super big and Elijah would place this really just smart me just it's weird because I was I was

[02:48:22] associated Elijah wood was the Lord of the Rings now but I forget that Elijah wood has had some really CD characters it is it is résumé and he's such a little piece of shit in this movie it's

[02:48:33] weak to see he's such a little creep this it's it's it's it's it's it's I target watching me some some people you know it's who they like it comes actors but I I remember you were telling

[02:48:52] me about the bad was it badly know were you talking about the guy that played bad what's his name from Twilight oh Roder Tansen yeah yeah I remember you were kind of giving

[02:49:08] you as doing oh my yeah so okay half of it is real and half of it's kind of a joke that I just do for my own amusement my hatred of Robert Pattinson I'll be I'll be honest like if I ever met the guy

[02:49:22] I would tell him absolutely like the whole thing like I wouldn't hold back but people don't seem to understand you although I think it's obvious I'm not the reason I keep bringing it up is because

[02:49:34] I'll say something and then people just try to eviscerate me in the comments and I just find it entertaining then like wow you guys really care so much what I think about Robert Pattinson someone who I've never

[02:49:46] met and who would get and you like you you care that much I'm fascinated by that but I do I do maintain that I mean just being honest I don't think he's a particularly good actor I think he's

[02:50:03] I don't even know how you describe it I really I dislike him and then when that article came out after he got cast as Batman but then the pandemic happened there was an article I read about how

[02:50:16] he refused to work out very in the pandemic because he wanted to like quote not uphold like body image stereotypes or something and I'm just like bro just say you're least don't don't justify it but I'm sorry not sorry if you played Batman you got to work out

[02:50:40] because nobody's gonna buy a skinny Batman and then and then he later said oh just joking I'm like no you were not just joking you've got a call for your agent that said the studio is

[02:50:52] going to fire your ass if you don't have a six pack and put on at least 15 pounds of muscle and then for somebody who claims to not care about the money you should rip that

[02:51:04] bow flex or whatever was out real quick because I'm telling you you don't gain that much muscle in that short amount of time without steroids or a lot of motivation and you go look forward that's all I'm saying like and I understand the sentiment

[02:51:20] but that's the point it's like did you imagine if Henry Cabo was a being cool when he was cast Superman nobody would have bought it because it's Superman Superman is not a normal person

[02:51:33] Batman is not a normal person it's not promoting a negative stereotype because these are not normal people it would be one thing like if you were just put it if Robert Pattinson got castes an average show

[02:51:48] and the producers were like like you really need a six pack for this role then you could you know make the case of me like and do I because this is just a normal everyday guy yeah but I'm sorry

[02:52:02] Batman you see that that's why I say you should do you know the review thing because it's coming from a place where it's not even like you're downing this person it's just from your love

[02:52:17] loving movies like I do you being able to watch the good flick it's like bro you got to sell me on this it was that you've got to play the part and I wasn't one of the family yeah I was

[02:52:28] one of the few people because we did do a review of the Batman and I was one of the few people I to this day I don't it's not a good movie guys it's not it's actually quite bad I don't

[02:52:40] understand like and I even preface with maybe I'm missing something but nobody's been able to tell me what that is yet but like everybody loves that movie and I'm just kind of I'm watching

[02:52:52] I'm like it's really not that good in fact parts of it are downright bad and I still maintain if somebody can illuminate me as to why the Batman is a great film I will absolutely

[02:53:11] listen but nobody's been able to nobody's been able to properly illuminate me thus far it's kind of it's kind of hard to play when you know you have something like the dark night I don't think anyone can really top Christian bail as Batman even like people

[02:53:29] people hated them like they hated the whole voice thing they hated but it was like bro that's it was nice it was hey it was at least different and he was the first actor since Kevin Conroy who voiced Batman and Batman the animator in the DC animated universe

[02:53:45] is the first time an actor had two distinct voices for Bruce Wayne and Batman so I appreciate it it did come off it did come off a little goofy but hey at least they were trying you know

[02:53:58] but I gotta say frankly what would your opinion of that flick that flick is Batman I was just about to bring him up because they put the voice on him but I'm like it was

[02:54:13] terrible like that voice but he had an adjustively new him like are they serious pretty no way but they were going with yeah they were going with the incarnation I've seen this it's not as well known to people that are comic book nerds but there are generations of

[02:54:32] Batman where he uses a voice changer as opposed to just changing his voice which I'll be honest I don't prefer because Batman is somebody who studied things like mentor look with

[02:54:40] him so he can absolutely firm his voice he's done it many many times and many many you know different forms of media but I was actually a big fan of bathe like not gonna lie I

[02:54:53] don't think they got to execute their full vision though but I and but I never said what's that I said I think being play a bit of Bruce and you played bathe see that's the thing though that's

[02:55:07] why and that's why I'm a big fan of been athletic is Batman because it to me it seems that everybody who's played Batman in live action was either a really good Bruce Wayne

[02:55:19] or really good Batman but never the two men but I think it can make a case for either Christian bail or then I've like depending upon your preferences because like for example

[02:55:35] like not to I know a lot of people hate this movie I hate love this movie but Batman and Robin well that's I think George Clooney did a really good Bruce Wayne

[02:55:46] I agree I think it was I shit Batman but I think he did a really good Bruce Wayne personally I still don't know how I feel about Michael P. I mean everybody lives in my opinion and playing that part is the legend I mean the

[02:56:03] honest which I mean I would say he would be more like the Clooney I just think he was a better Bruce but I agree see I think I'm in that way yeah and to me the to me like honestly I think

[02:56:15] Christian bail's Batman is the best Batman in live action to me and this is like it's so not such a big deal but to me personally I think his Bruce Wayne left a little bit to be

[02:56:27] desire although I did like how it seemed like he was playing the part like he was he was acting out the world of Bruce Wayne because that's not who he was you know what I mean like he was

[02:56:39] playing the billionaire playboy because I'm a big fan of the the idea that as far as how Batman used himself Batman is who he really is and Bruce Wayne is just as part that he has to play

[02:56:56] you know I ever once I went like that Batman is his real self and Bruce Wayne is the mask oh I like that yeah like that do a duality I've been perspective yeah well there was

[02:57:09] oh what's that he was also as although oh yeah Batman isn't asshole but actually one of uh I don't know I don't know if you watched any of the like DC animated stuff but I don't know if

[02:57:23] you seem Batman beyond yes okay so I forget to name it the episode but it's the one where somehow shrink gets an audio implant on Bruce somehow I can't remember how he does it

[02:57:38] but he's hearing voices but Bruce knows he's not crazy he knows it's not him and saying he knows there's voices but he doesn't know what's causing them and then it comes out to you know

[02:57:49] he was right all along and then Terry finds the whole microphone behind his ear probably will walk and then at the end of the episode Terry asked me to said just how do you know that you

[02:57:58] weren't crazy and he said it kept the voice kept calling me Bruce that's not what I call myself and then Terry's like what do you call yourself and then Bruce just looks at him based on oh it's like to me that's Batman yeah that's that's Batman to me

[02:58:21] was Batman I a lot of people sleep on Batman beyond now it was super popular when it was on they're like did you hear I don't know if you've heard this I only heard about this recently

[02:58:30] apparently at one point where our brothers was talking to the studio that did the spider verse movies the miles where Alice spider verse movies to do an animated Batman beyond movie

[02:58:42] and they scrapped it yeah I have heard something about it was the taste they had in the talk but yeah I mean now it would be nice I know that would all of it would all of you

[02:58:53] seen so far with the Batman you've got to had that one because it's like you're playing it out at this point that we're gonna so full of a speaking of which man the I will admit when I'm wrong

[02:59:07] so when I first saw it into the spider verse I didn't hate it but I didn't really care for it I was kind of like this is like it's good but I don't see why everybody thinks it's amazing

[02:59:19] clearly I didn't understand what they were doing but then I watched across the spider verse and it was like I instantly understood what they were doing and I'm like holy shit these are master pieces

[02:59:32] like in every way the animation is gorgeous and again I didn't love the animation when I first saw it but I now very much appreciate it but oh my gosh what they're doing is just it's pure genius

[02:59:48] I cannot wait for the next one and those bastards are making a smoke that was the the worst cliffhanger ever and it was funny man we're wearing the theater because we talked about it

[03:00:01] it's actually one of our we had a couple of shorts go viral from our review of across the spider which thanks you too and that was the thing like we're sitting in the theater with my co-hosts

[03:00:14] and I'm like this has been on for a while and this doesn't seem to be wrapping up like it was kind of like how long is this movie but I'm not that I'm complaining but

[03:00:28] you know because I was I was all four I was there for it but and then they hit it and all that cliffhanger and I was just like damn it and then they then I learned that they hadn't even really

[03:00:41] started the animation for the next one yet and I was just like oh no it's good people that we're gonna we're gonna be waiting for a while but I mean that movie and the spider man

[03:00:56] no way I'll pretty much prove that I mean it honestly these days if spider bands in it you can just print money but that doesn't hold true with Madame Webb apparently Madame with it I knew that

[03:01:14] was gonna Bob before they even released it everybody knew it was gonna Bob before they released it I think the only people that didn't know that movie was gonna flop was you know Sony

[03:01:29] what would you say would be you I didn't add style category and what was your favorite what do you mean like um if you had a pick like one in between like are you you watch Marvel movies at all

[03:01:42] yeah more okay like DC and Marvel like what would be like your favorite side of that but is it DC or is it Marvel? It's probably Marvel with DC's but yeah yeah I'm in the

[03:01:58] when it comes to the movies Marvel I want to love the DC movie so bad but they just keep fucking it up and I don't understand how it's all there it's all already written down for you

[03:02:18] I just it's very frustrating because I'm a when it comes to the comics and even the animated stuff I'm DC all the way I'm a huge DC fan so it's very frustrating for me and

[03:02:28] like take for example shizam I don't know if you saw the movie yeah I love Captain Marvel like Captain Marvel is one of my favorites I think in terms of like the concept of Super Hero

[03:02:43] having a kid that transforms into a superhero is freaking genius and there's a reason it was outselling Superman for years because the only thing kids love more than an indestructible guy is

[03:02:54] an indestructible guy that's actually a kid and I was so I knew it wasn't gonna live up to my expectations like I understood this because I'll put it this is how you can you can understand

[03:03:07] how far star I am as a DC fan because my two favorite super heroes of all time are Captain Marvel shizam and green lantern yeah yeah which I still defend the green lantern movie it was not

[03:03:28] nearly as good as it could have been it could have been way better in fact I I point to people if you're green lantern fan you probably seen this already but what they should have done DC made an

[03:03:38] animated feature green lantern first flight they should have just made that a shop for shot remake because it was way better it's a way better story um I actually liked Ryan Reynolds's

[03:03:53] How Jordan I don't know how the people were like cutting it up and I'm like no that's that's pretty solid casting I mean you could have I heard at one point they were talking with Nathan

[03:04:03] Philly and that would have worked too but I mean don't even draw Ryan Reynolds a way better Deadpool but yeah which by the way are you stoked for dental and Wolverine yeah I want to see how they go

[03:04:18] I actually haven't even finished part two totally hmm I do you think but I do want to see that that combination oh man I think I think it's gonna be if they

[03:04:32] because this is this is a Disney production if they just get out of Ryan Reynolds's way it'll be fine which it looks like they are so hopefully knock-on would because I I defer to her

[03:04:49] awesome Deadpool one is a little bit better of a movie the Deadpool two but Deadpool two is still it's it's exactly what you want from a Deadpool movie I hope they do a gag in this one though because the gag and the first two Deadpool movies are

[03:05:06] how weighed for bits has done an ammo bag somewhere and the joke is because of the studio having a budget so they had to give them an excuse to not have a look I hope in this one

[03:05:18] they just do because it's Disney and they have more money than the United States I hope they just have this giant scene where he uses every single gun imaginable and the joke being like this is what working for a real studio feel like

[03:05:38] I was I was saying that Deadpool is the most entertaining out of all of them I think the one that has like the most success out of style of like black panther and like ironman Ironman I play everybody wants to be a Tony start

[03:05:56] You know what's funny yeah you know what's funny about Ironman though because the in this show is how much time is passed because Ironman came out what 2008 that seems right somewhere right yeah I think 2008 when when I heard they were making an

[03:06:12] Ironman movie my honest reaction was who wants to see an Ironman movie because this is before Robert Downey Jr was announced I was just literally after they're like oh yeah I'm not making an Ironman movie I was like well they definitely they definitely milked the X-Men well

[03:06:32] you know so I guess they're I guess they're getting desperate and then it was announced like then they said they're making a store movie it was like how was to watch a movie about Thor and they just kept it out of the room

[03:06:48] they just kept making a banger after like you made an antman movie that was good yeah like I'm sorry like the MCU is kind of crappy now but I mean you can

[03:07:00] the day it was like they could virtually do no wrong I mean there was nothing that was like awful until I would say until post-infinity were there really weren't any bad MCU movies

[03:07:17] not that I can think of I'm sure there might have been one or two but like it was really I think maybe Captain Marvel was the first like covertly bad one that I can think of Captain Marvel would

[03:07:38] be seen it was good wasn't I don't think it's terrible it was good it was very good I think I like I like seeing women I like seeing women like in the image of like what they used to

[03:07:49] be like in a turn to warriors because they're already warriors their unconditional lovers about like that I'm down with that dude there was a reason I got frustrated with Captain Marvel is because she was basically invincible you know it's the old Superman problem except she didn't

[03:08:06] have a kryptonite yeah yeah that's a good point though because they she don't like they didn't put them in front of me like no sort of EMP or nothing nothing and I guess in a way because like you can make the argument

[03:08:24] the same argument about Wonder Woman but I would love about the first Wonder Woman Wonder Woman 1984 was the shits don't walk it if you haven't it's terrible but the first Wonder Woman was really good because and I point this out all the time you know

[03:08:39] that movies of chase where anytime they have a female lead and it doesn't go over or they just say oh well these guys people just hate strong female characters that's not sure

[03:08:50] I don't because Wonder Woman was a fantastic movie but I point out you know Wonder Woman is a virtually invulnerable you know Debbie got us right he cannot be realistically hurt by traditional weapons but she's traveling with a group of three men before men sorry I forgot

[03:09:11] there's four of them for four other soldiers and at no point are any of them relegated to being useless they work as a team they all have different strengths and skills

[03:09:24] and at no point is any of them amastulated or made useless or the but of a joke for more than a couple of seconds you know just to me that was a really good way to show like a super powerful

[03:09:40] being working with mere mortals in a way that was respectful for all the characters you know what I mean because it's very easy when you have a god like character to everybody else just to become insignificant

[03:09:52] and they do a really good job when they have interactions with like Batman Superman too because it would be very easy to be like oh well it's super man so you know what's Batman gonna do except I mean

[03:10:05] tame that Batman is actually beaten Superman more types of Superman as being Batman like scoreboard so it's uh that was my biggest gripe with Captain Marvel has a movie and the plus the fact

[03:10:20] to this is a personal preference I don't like I call them tween or movies where and this is the case with Wonder Woman 1984 is nothing in that movie matters because we are ahead of it in the

[03:10:33] timeline so in the case of you'll see what I mean here because I'm gonna use Wonder Woman as an example you know we got our first introduction of Wonder Woman in uh that may be Superman

[03:10:46] so we know first of all we know that Diana is alive in this one in first century we know she's alive and we know she's around but then we get we don't know that much about her

[03:10:57] so we get the first Wonder Woman which tells her introductory story so that's fine but Wonder Woman 1984 and then we get just as Lee I'm sorry I forgot about that

[03:11:07] so we saw where Diana was and we know where Diana is so then we go to this random point in history where that status quo can't change because we've seen where she is now

[03:11:21] so you can't change anything certainly not anyway and they do because she gets this new set of armor and she gets powers that she never had before. It gets powers that she doesn't have

[03:11:33] and justlessly you know and then it just all mysteriously disappears and it actually flies in the face of what they established because in it's either Batman and he Superman and Justice Lee where she says after the war she disappeared like Diana actually says this to proves

[03:11:54] and then we go to this movie where not only is she not she hasn't disappeared she's flying around a shopping mall in full superhero get up in the year 1984 so if they're Diana's a liar we've completely wrecked on the character without telling us

[03:12:14] and Captain Marvel does the same thing because she gets introduced and um she is introduced in in game right I'm thinking about that right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

[03:12:33] I think it's in game yeah you know I think it's in game yeah because if any was the last one right no it is infinity war she gets introduced right but is reverse yet because if anybody they all

[03:12:47] got they all disappeared the blip that's when she showed up that's right okay but then they happen you know it's funny because it's very much the same formula for some reason to me it just didn't

[03:13:02] work as well our guess you could say that I guess you could say actually a more accurate same it would be uh Captain Marvel is the Wonder Woman 1984 of the MCU where you have a story

[03:13:16] well no it doesn't take place in between the events that's why that's my podcasting doll but I guess my point is I to me the movie didn't work as well as it absolutely could have but I think the

[03:13:30] issue is Captain Marvel is presented as invincible and I mean they even kind of they don't intentionally poke fun at it but they kind of do when you know I think it's at the beginning of

[03:13:47] endgame everybody's like where were you and she's just like well it's a big galaxy and I'm kind of like yeah she don't do you same then the universe yeah but when the guy that can wipe out half of

[03:14:02] existence is on earth you should probably go to earth just to find it. I thought of it that you know that's almost like that what you say earlier about maybe you got all these many people which you

[03:14:15] got it you got a torture this one person is kind of it's kind of like that she probably will I let this bigger word is going on die for you know it's there like yeah I get it

[03:14:28] here I get it but speaking of an invincible having watched any of the invincible the series it didn't well know oh that's a good one it's on Amazon Prime that's that's a good one you have it because I can't remember if the last part of season two

[03:14:53] just dropped or not I need to look but oh season one of the invincible is just like chef's kiss perfect it's so damn good oh no I'm really going to watch yeah no it's very good

[03:15:06] and I've like season two but it's weird because it seems to me like there's been a budget cut but I know their budget didn't get cut but it seems like cheaper animation I could be wrong but

[03:15:17] to me season one looks better I don't know but yeah invincible's really good I thought that like um well one I love the storyline and the flash movie that other storyline

[03:15:32] some of the stuff that they were showing you in the movie was super deep but the one movie that I find nobody really misses it like that that I thought was really good it was the internals I

[03:15:43] did I they need to make another one the internals was that they just like that was juice that was really I heard I haven't even seen the internals because I heard it was so bad man bro it's like

[03:15:57] there's there's so much in there and it takes place right right before Thanos is about to do what he do so it's like when you talk about storyline it's so good because it's like exactly

[03:16:09] with Marvel her going away Thanos was coming to wipe everybody out the internals are the gods they're there at the same time he bought the blipper buddy but they trying to stop the world

[03:16:22] from being destroyed because it's a celestial that lives in it that's about to emerge so it's like super deep see that was that that was the crit that was the number one critique I heard about the

[03:16:33] internals is like well whenever they went Thanos showed up which I guess that is that is the problem when you have such an expansive universe though as you will inevitably run into

[03:16:44] that sort of issue and it's like you can make the case even a DC films because it's like um was it the first or second one of the shizan movies black Adam shows up I think and yeah that's

[03:16:57] the first one I believe it's like we're Superman but actually that's why I want the DC animated movies more because they they just frankly they do a better job because in the shizan captain Marvel movie

[03:17:10] black Adam shows up but Billy has just gotten his powers so Superman shows up to help him fight black Adam because you know world where Superman and Captain Marvel exists in the same planet that would make sense if you have some super power being come down

[03:17:30] and start breaking shit Superman's probably gonna show up if he does in fact live in the same place you know what I mean you would think I think that the uh I think the first Aquaman and black

[03:17:48] Adam are like two of their best movies in a while that they made and then they it's like they really should have been like Adam but then the Aquaman argument was just good like and there's

[03:18:02] a funny thing is nobody ever respects Aquaman but it's like he had the best movie out of airbind just as late like that first one was nice like I disagree I hated it I was so bad

[03:18:17] I thought like you were gonna speak in one I didn't even watch the second one yeah the second one is not the second one is kind of like okay it was an invite like the first one

[03:18:31] trying to think and if you like the flash movie you would really like the the animated one they did flashpoint paradox because they kind of tried it I didn't like the flash movie at all but that's I really dislike um oh gosh what's the

[03:18:50] the actor's name that's as I can't remember but I really I really disliked his portrayal of the flash but yeah flashpoint paradox is it's a really great story and the animated movie they did I don't

[03:19:14] love the art file that they did it in I will be crystal clear it's a little bit to mussely for my liking it's very very stylized but the story itself I really really enjoy so if you

[03:19:29] like the concept of the flash movie but didn't so much love the execution if you watched flashpoint paradox you feel enjoy that it's pretty damn good it's dark though it's real dark I like that though it oh shit gets real like it's it's it's it's it's it's dark

[03:19:50] and if you also like dark probably this probably the darkest is probably the dark it's certainly DC animated they did just as league um does that apocalypse? yeah just as league apocalypse where I think like not it's not even a spoiler alert because they

[03:20:08] take care of it in the beginning like everybody does like I mean it's is dark it's real it's good but it's dark like that's a movie that stresses you out because like everything that can go wrong

[03:20:27] and it's just it's a really it's a rough watch it's like the one with Superman I don't think it I can't the title I can't remember if it's red it's sun or if it's other one but he

[03:20:44] he showed like he was down in the cave and they turned to red lights on and he was facing the Batman and got that annoying guy asked that's Kuma who had on yeah yeah that was that was red

[03:20:55] he said oh boy he what Superman so crazy boy it was like bad though like he did not he bad oh red sun was so good I loved that movie that was that was really well done

[03:21:13] are they really showing the Superman get destroyed like it's like he was like yes they are yes because they are Superman was in the end but yeah man red sun was good I cannot recommend enough

[03:21:28] to DC animated movie if my favorite Batman movie of all time is a DC animated movie Batman under the red hood has shit's good I watched that but I came really remember too much of the

[03:21:43] body it's yeah this the second rocket it's basically I mean it starts out with the death in the family storyline with Jason Todd dying but then it's two separate storylines that are

[03:21:58] links they just push it together on a movie so you got death in the family and then the red hood where Jason Todd gets resurrected by racial wool and goes back to Gotham as the red hood

[03:22:10] this is really good so other superhero movies what what other movies do you like yeah I mean I like I like the lot for a two as well but I know I watched most of it

[03:22:30] like I said from where in training but I like I love the way getting singer um it's a good thing that isn't good it's a good classic movie um and you know what another day I don't know what drew me to it but I started watching sausage party

[03:22:49] yeah bro I was watching that like I seen it before but it's like yo they they just they give it down in this movie like they go in and don't know I don't know how it got made

[03:23:07] I don't know how they got a studio to sign off on that idea they had to have lied to them there's no what but but it is actually what the word you know oh no it is it is like

[03:23:23] let's keep it a claim to hate that movie and I'm just like wow you just do not have a sense of humor hated to this movie's hilarious but I can see how it's off putting for some people but I mean

[03:23:39] that's just funny and it's not just the end that's funny the whole movie's hilarious that's what I like though a movie they keep doing gays because it's like they was going crazy

[03:23:49] within the first five minutes in like it's been in this day and they used people want to be you know so I enjoy it and it's so much like people get mad at me though because they're like oh

[03:24:03] I think let's watch the movie you know let's watch this I'm like I see but I will watch it but I watch it many times and don't ask me because I'm not going to tell you either I want you to have that same surprise that it

[03:24:16] okay I definitely have I like movies that I can rewatch definitely for sure there's like everybody's got this tough for movies too where you just pop it in and like you're working on other stuff

[03:24:30] but you just need some noise in the background it's like you could probably recite it by heart but I don't know it's comforting movies that be so good and like man damn did I write this

[03:24:43] you know then there's those like my favorite movie of all time is Kossibleonka and I saved for one special effect in this because it was from 1940 as a perfect movie there's no wasted motion and it's got everything it's got you know like it's got romance if you're

[03:25:03] into that it's got you know espionage because one of the characters is a leader of an underground resistance it's got history which now obviously at the time it was current events when it was made it's got comedy like there are moments in that movie

[03:25:18] there are hilariously funny and I don't think people give it a fair shape because it's in black and whiteness from the 40s they just think all this is gonna suck it's like no it's a really good movie

[03:25:29] if that one of my favorite lines and it is there's a police inspector who's kind of friends with Rick who owns the bar and gambling is technically illegal but they don't enforce it

[03:25:41] and he gets ordered the the top gets ordered to shut the place down and he tells Rick he's like have to shut this place down it's like what for is like I'm shocked shocked to see that gambling

[03:25:52] is taking place in this establishment and then one of the employees goes and said hands in his money is his or winning the series all thank you it's funny it's funny it's funny it's not really

[03:26:04] anyway damn man three and a half hours this one of the longer ones and the cushion show good conversation good dialogue we know man that's yeah that's the you yeah that's the beauty of the one you're having a conversation three hours feels like ten minutes

[03:26:25] but that's good to see you like I guess honestly good outside of work to see you just get to be you in a time great yeah because yeah any anytime you see anybody work it's always like

[03:26:37] it's not even that they're fake and it's just there they've got to be in that mode yeah so it is very cool but I definitely yeah we'll have another conversation off air

[03:26:51] about your podcasts and projects because I definitely I'd love for you to be a part of this like I'm digging the ideas I'm digging the I'm digging the thought process very much

[03:27:06] I prefer you to allow me just even in your space oh man anytime anytime it's like we got a lot of podcasts so anytime we want to talk about anything I'm sure somebody can accommodate

[03:27:16] yeah well I think we will wrap it up because this has been as it's been a long one people might be getting tired of hearing me talk so but thank you for coming on I know it was a little

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