Is Moana a good movie?

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[00:00:34] Welcome everyone to the Average Intelligence Podcast.

[00:00:36] As you may have noticed, this episode is not live because I will be traveling on Wednesday in the evening.

[00:00:46] And Eric will be otherwise occupied as well.

[00:00:49] But there's a movie that's coming out or will have come out by the time you're seeing this.

[00:00:55] I'm not going to check the dates.

[00:00:56] Uh, to a lot of fanfare.

[00:00:59] And that would be Moana too.

[00:01:00] But before, because I am going to see it because a party attached to me wants to see it.

[00:01:07] And I'm not going to say no because I'm not that big of an asshole.

[00:01:12] Not that big of an asshole.

[00:01:14] But it made me think, is Moana actually that good?

[00:01:17] So I brought in our resident Disney expert in the RTA podcast, Pantheon, Haley, from the part of your Broadway World podcast, who is one of the sponsors of tonight's episode, as well as our friends over at the Startup Core podcast.

[00:01:30] But we will talk about them a little bit more in depth later.

[00:01:33] But for now, Haley, is Moana a good movie?

[00:01:37] No.

[00:01:38] Okay, everyone.

[00:01:39] Thanks for coming.

[00:01:39] Good night.

[00:01:41] No, I'm not gonna.

[00:01:43] I remember I've seen Moana one time and I remember being extremely underwhelmed by it.

[00:01:48] Now, before I say anything, I want to be crystal clear.

[00:01:52] The movie looks amazing.

[00:01:56] Artistically, I mean, visually speaking, there's nothing wrong with it.

[00:02:01] I know Water is very tricky to animate.

[00:02:03] They did a very good job.

[00:02:04] You know, the animation's not bad at all.

[00:02:08] It's very good.

[00:02:08] It's the story.

[00:02:10] Is it, though?

[00:02:11] Is it tricky to animate?

[00:02:13] Water is very tricky to animate.

[00:02:15] It is.

[00:02:16] Yeah, it is.

[00:02:16] It is extremely difficult.

[00:02:18] In fact, they had to invent a bunch of Pixar.

[00:02:20] Pixar had to invent a bunch of stuff, new techniques, and even software.

[00:02:24] They invented a new software program for Finding Nemo just to animate how the water reflects light.

[00:02:30] And other stuff.

[00:02:31] It wasn't just that.

[00:02:32] So, yeah, water's very hard.

[00:02:34] Water's hard to paint and draw, too.

[00:02:36] It's very difficult.

[00:02:37] So, animating water's difficult.

[00:02:40] So, kudos to that because basically the entire movie takes place on the ocean for the most part.

[00:02:46] Hair is also really difficult to animate.

[00:02:49] Well, because, I mean, you can do cheap animation like they do in anime where it's just kind of there.

[00:02:54] But even there are some...

[00:02:55] There are some anime productions that animate hair wonderfully.

[00:02:59] It just depends on your budget and how much time you have.

[00:03:01] My issue with Moana, though, is the story.

[00:03:05] To me, it was kind of weak sauce.

[00:03:08] It wasn't really...

[00:03:09] And I have some problems with the overall themes.

[00:03:12] And this isn't just Moana.

[00:03:13] This is kind of the...

[00:03:15] It's a pet peeve I have with basically every new Disney movie that comes out for the most part.

[00:03:20] My biggest problem with Encanto is the fact that there's no villain.

[00:03:24] There's no villain at all.

[00:03:27] There's an antagonist.

[00:03:28] But even she's not really an antagonist because she doesn't really know that she's...

[00:03:34] She doesn't really know she's the antagonist, if that makes any sense.

[00:03:36] Like, she's not actively trying to subvert the protagonist's quest.

[00:03:43] So it's...

[00:03:45] It's just kind of weak, I guess.

[00:03:49] And Inside Out's kind of the same way.

[00:03:51] But I think Inside Out makes up for the lack of an antagonist with other things.

[00:03:56] But their antagonist is basically the clock in that movie.

[00:04:01] But anyway, that's another Disney movie.

[00:04:04] What were your thoughts on Moana, though, just as a movie?

[00:04:10] As a movie...

[00:04:15] I feel...

[00:04:16] I just think there was a lot of slow points.

[00:04:20] There was a lot of slow points.

[00:04:23] It's not paced well, that's true.

[00:04:25] Yeah.

[00:04:27] It's like basically right at a two-hour movie, and I felt like it was three and a half hours.

[00:04:31] It felt long.

[00:04:34] And I get...

[00:04:35] Okay, and I get that's the shtick with Maui.

[00:04:40] It's like he's kind of a dick, but...

[00:04:44] I've got a whole section on Maui.

[00:04:47] Well, Dwayne Johnson, who plays Maui.

[00:04:49] But like, yeah, that's a...

[00:04:52] But yeah, Maui...

[00:04:54] Eh.

[00:04:55] That part didn't bother me as much as the fact that the movie feels like, to me,

[00:05:00] that Maui is the star, even though he doesn't come in until...

[00:05:04] Not quite halfway there, but he doesn't...

[00:05:06] He's certainly not the instigator.

[00:05:09] Yeah, about a quarter of the way in.

[00:05:10] But they...

[00:05:12] That movie feels like they made it for Dwayne Johnson.

[00:05:16] It really does.

[00:05:18] Maui is very much the star of that movie, even though he's not.

[00:05:22] But I don't think we've...

[00:05:23] We haven't heard about Alihi Cabarro until Moana.

[00:05:29] So yeah, they made this movie because of Dwayne.

[00:05:33] So the thing is, somebody could make the argument that, well, yeah, Dwayne Johnson is top billing

[00:05:37] because he's the biggest star.

[00:05:39] And it's like, okay, fair enough.

[00:05:40] I'm not talking about necessarily that he does get top billing.

[00:05:43] To a certain extent, I get it.

[00:05:45] I'm talking about the story seems like it was constructed around Maui, even though Maui's

[00:05:50] not the main character.

[00:05:51] And I think the reason they did that was because Dwayne Johnson was signed on to play Maui

[00:05:56] very early on.

[00:05:58] They knew this was happening.

[00:05:59] So I don't know if they changed the story or what to give him more screen time, more

[00:06:04] to do.

[00:06:05] But it seems like there's a lot...

[00:06:08] There's a lot of Maui and there doesn't need to be.

[00:06:13] Yeah.

[00:06:14] I will say this, and I can't believe I'm going to say this.

[00:06:17] I thought the music was well done.

[00:06:19] And I know that that's Lin-Manuel Miranda.

[00:06:23] Except You're Welcome.

[00:06:24] You're Welcome's a very annoying song.

[00:06:27] But yet you hate Hamilton.

[00:06:31] So...

[00:06:32] Okay, I can explain this actually.

[00:06:34] Because Lin-Manuel Miranda is a very common type of creative today, it seems.

[00:06:41] I think they've always existed.

[00:06:42] But they're given a lot of free reign these days.

[00:06:46] Lin-Manuel is a very, very talented...

[00:06:50] I guess you would call him a composer.

[00:06:52] I'm not sure exactly what he did with every track of music.

[00:06:54] But I'm just going to assume that he had a say in virtually everything.

[00:06:59] He's a very talented composer.

[00:07:01] When there is someone there to reign in his worst impulses.

[00:07:05] And that's true for a lot of creatives.

[00:07:08] I'm trying to think of another really good example.

[00:07:12] Taika Waititi would be another really good example.

[00:07:15] Because a lot of people really liked Thor Ragnarok.

[00:07:18] I didn't, but that wasn't so much that I thought it was bad.

[00:07:21] It just wasn't my cup of tea.

[00:07:24] And that's because Raika Waititi had people in the studio telling him,

[00:07:29] No, you can't do this.

[00:07:30] No, you can't do that.

[00:07:32] Stick to this script.

[00:07:33] Like, this joke is fine.

[00:07:35] Blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:07:36] But then Thor Ragnarok did so well that they were like,

[00:07:39] You know what, Taika?

[00:07:40] Just do the next Thor movie and do whatever you want.

[00:07:42] And that monstrosity became Thor Love and Thunder.

[00:07:45] Which was so focused on that sort of humor.

[00:07:49] That there's plot holes in its own movie.

[00:07:51] Not to mention the rest of the MCU.

[00:07:53] And the fact that it's just bad.

[00:07:55] It's just a bad movie.

[00:07:56] It undoes all the character growth that Thor has done up to that point.

[00:08:01] For laughs.

[00:08:04] It was not a good movie.

[00:08:06] And just the whole thing.

[00:08:08] The story was so weak.

[00:08:10] Kind of like Moana.

[00:08:11] But that being said,

[00:08:11] Because I don't want to become the problem on my own show.

[00:08:14] Even though, thank God Justin's not here to instigate me.

[00:08:16] Because I think he actually likes Taika Waititi.

[00:08:18] And we'd get into an argument about that.

[00:08:21] But Lin-Manuel Miranda strikes me as the type of person who,

[00:08:24] Or the type of creative who,

[00:08:25] If he can be reined in from his,

[00:08:28] You know,

[00:08:29] Ideas that aren't so great.

[00:08:32] What he delivers can be very, very good.

[00:08:35] That being said,

[00:08:36] I think he's reached a point in his career where for some reason,

[00:08:41] People seem to like what he does.

[00:08:43] And I don't really understand it.

[00:08:45] But,

[00:08:45] Hey,

[00:08:46] I'm probably wrong.

[00:08:47] I could very well be wrong.

[00:08:49] But,

[00:08:50] Hamilton to me is tremendously overrated for what it is.

[00:08:53] And,

[00:08:54] That's another podcast.

[00:08:56] But Moana,

[00:08:57] I think is very much in the same boat.

[00:08:59] I don't,

[00:09:00] When I saw Moana,

[00:09:01] I described it as,

[00:09:02] I'm like,

[00:09:02] It's not a bad movie,

[00:09:04] But it's a pretty mediocre Disney movie.

[00:09:07] Like,

[00:09:07] If it was DreamWorks,

[00:09:08] It would have been fine.

[00:09:09] Honestly.

[00:09:10] Like,

[00:09:10] Not to,

[00:09:10] Not to shit on DreamWorks.

[00:09:11] But I mean,

[00:09:12] It felt more like a DreamWorks animation movie to me than a Disney movie.

[00:09:18] I mean,

[00:09:19] I will give Moana this.

[00:09:21] And this is the only thing I'm going to give this movie.

[00:09:23] Because this,

[00:09:24] Otherwise this movie is garbage.

[00:09:28] Really coming in with the hot takes.

[00:09:33] Like,

[00:09:34] Like,

[00:09:34] Like the scene,

[00:09:36] When,

[00:09:36] Of like,

[00:09:37] Child Moana,

[00:09:39] When she goes into the ocean,

[00:09:41] And like,

[00:09:41] Like,

[00:09:41] She discovers like,

[00:09:42] The ocean can like,

[00:09:43] Move and stuff.

[00:09:44] And that was pretty cute.

[00:09:46] It was kind of cute.

[00:09:47] That's cute.

[00:09:47] Well,

[00:09:47] And so,

[00:09:48] Interestingly enough,

[00:09:49] A lot of the newer Disney movies are having really,

[00:09:51] Really good openings.

[00:09:52] And then it just goes downhill from there.

[00:09:54] Because they,

[00:09:55] Well,

[00:09:55] No,

[00:09:56] Because for example,

[00:09:56] The opening number of Encanto is a great opening number.

[00:09:59] It sets the stage.

[00:10:01] It introduces all the characters.

[00:10:02] It's catchy.

[00:10:04] Mirabelle is instantly charming.

[00:10:06] And likable.

[00:10:08] And I'm like,

[00:10:08] Okay,

[00:10:08] We're off to a good start.

[00:10:11] And then the rest of the movie happens.

[00:10:13] And just as you go.

[00:10:14] And then,

[00:10:16] Trying to think.

[00:10:17] Turning red is kind of a different animal.

[00:10:19] Because believe it or not,

[00:10:20] I actually like turning red.

[00:10:21] But I understand that it has a limited,

[00:10:23] I understand it has a very limited audience.

[00:10:26] Are you kidding me?

[00:10:27] I hated it.

[00:10:28] It was cute.

[00:10:29] It was cute.

[00:10:29] It was cute.

[00:10:30] It was not.

[00:10:31] Oh,

[00:10:32] It was adorable.

[00:10:34] And plus,

[00:10:35] There's a joke in that movie

[00:10:37] That I actually did confirm.

[00:10:39] I confirmed it was a joke

[00:10:41] And not an oversight.

[00:10:43] The band in that movie,

[00:10:44] The boy band is Four Town.

[00:10:46] Yeah.

[00:10:47] But there's five of them.

[00:10:50] Oh,

[00:10:51] I didn't even catch that.

[00:10:53] I love that joke.

[00:10:54] But it's actually explained in universe.

[00:10:56] And I love the fact that they didn't feel the need

[00:10:58] To explain the joke in the movie.

[00:11:00] Two of them are twins.

[00:11:03] I didn't even catch that.

[00:11:05] Oh my god.

[00:11:06] I didn't catch that they were twins.

[00:11:08] Presumably,

[00:11:09] Well,

[00:11:09] no,

[00:11:09] not presumably.

[00:11:10] This has been confirmed.

[00:11:11] The joke is that there are five band members,

[00:11:13] But four towns from which they all come from.

[00:11:16] Because the twins came from the same town.

[00:11:19] But the instant,

[00:11:20] The immediate joke you see is the band is Four Town,

[00:11:22] But there's five members.

[00:11:24] And I remember watching it,

[00:11:25] I'm just like,

[00:11:25] That's,

[00:11:26] That is so funny to me.

[00:11:27] I don't know why I love that joke so much.

[00:11:29] But I'm just like,

[00:11:30] In my mind,

[00:11:31] I'm like,

[00:11:32] It's Four Town,

[00:11:32] But there's five of them.

[00:11:35] Can we just also appreciate the fact that Jordan Fisher is one of those,

[00:11:41] One of the members in that,

[00:11:43] In that band?

[00:11:45] Who's Jordan Fisher?

[00:11:46] Jordan Fisher!

[00:11:47] He was,

[00:11:48] Um,

[00:11:50] He started on Love and Maddie,

[00:11:51] But he,

[00:11:54] I'm trying to figure out where you would,

[00:11:59] Where you would,

[00:12:00] Like,

[00:12:00] No,

[00:12:00] He started off on Love and Maddie,

[00:12:02] But he's like a big,

[00:12:04] Broadway star.

[00:12:05] He,

[00:12:05] He was,

[00:12:06] Um,

[00:12:07] And he,

[00:12:08] He's in Haystown right now.

[00:12:09] He,

[00:12:10] Or he,

[00:12:10] Yeah,

[00:12:11] Or yeah,

[00:12:11] He was in Haystown.

[00:12:13] Or he's still in Haystown.

[00:12:15] And he was,

[00:12:17] I think in Dear Evan Hansen too.

[00:12:19] Well that's why I haven't seen Dear Evan Hansen yet,

[00:12:21] But you,

[00:12:21] You and Justin are both saying that I should watch it,

[00:12:24] Which by the way,

[00:12:24] Have you watched Inside Out yet?

[00:12:27] No.

[00:12:27] I didn't,

[00:12:28] I didn't think you'd have a chance to,

[00:12:29] Because at the time of recording this,

[00:12:31] I'd only made that suggestion,

[00:12:33] Um,

[00:12:33] Yesterday.

[00:12:34] Yeah.

[00:12:36] Um,

[00:12:36] That being said,

[00:12:37] And he made it when we,

[00:12:39] When we were filming for Minds Podcast.

[00:12:42] Which ironically is coming out on the same day.

[00:12:44] In fact,

[00:12:44] You would have already seen Hayley's,

[00:12:46] So you can go watch that now.

[00:12:47] We talk about Wicked.

[00:12:49] So the case I'm making,

[00:12:50] Honestly,

[00:12:50] To everyone watching,

[00:12:51] Is if you want to watch a good movie this holiday weekend,

[00:12:53] Don't see Wicked.

[00:12:54] Don't see Moana 2.

[00:12:57] Even if you have,

[00:12:58] Yeah,

[00:12:59] Even if you have kids.

[00:13:00] Even if you have kids.

[00:13:01] Like,

[00:13:01] Wicked,

[00:13:01] This is following the stage play,

[00:13:03] Not the,

[00:13:03] Not the novel.

[00:13:04] So you need not worry.

[00:13:06] There's nothing inappropriate in Wicked.

[00:13:08] I'm,

[00:13:09] I'm,

[00:13:09] I'm bringing my,

[00:13:10] Six year old niece,

[00:13:12] On Friday.

[00:13:14] Yeah,

[00:13:14] Absolutely.

[00:13:15] Yeah,

[00:13:16] I'll,

[00:13:16] I mean,

[00:13:17] I'll just be brutally honest.

[00:13:18] If you want to watch a good movie this weekend,

[00:13:19] Go see Wicked.

[00:13:20] It's,

[00:13:20] It's going to be significantly better.

[00:13:22] Because,

[00:13:23] As mediocre as Moana was,

[00:13:26] Wouldn't we say everything we needed to say?

[00:13:28] Like,

[00:13:29] Didn't she already save the ocean?

[00:13:30] What,

[00:13:31] What,

[00:13:32] What's left?

[00:13:33] Why,

[00:13:33] Why did she go back?

[00:13:35] Yeah,

[00:13:35] I guess this,

[00:13:36] The inciting incident is Maui comes back,

[00:13:38] And it's like,

[00:13:39] Yeah,

[00:13:39] There's something in it.

[00:13:41] Ironically,

[00:13:42] It feels very much like a Fast and the Furious franchise movie.

[00:13:45] It's just like,

[00:13:46] The Rock shows up and says,

[00:13:48] Something bad's happened again.

[00:13:50] And it's like,

[00:13:51] Well,

[00:13:54] I was in the,

[00:13:55] In the theater when I was watching Wicked,

[00:13:57] And then,

[00:13:58] During the commercial,

[00:13:59] That commercial popped up.

[00:14:00] And the,

[00:14:01] The,

[00:14:02] The,

[00:14:02] The incenses is like,

[00:14:03] Like,

[00:14:03] She brings people along with her too.

[00:14:06] She brings,

[00:14:07] Other villagers with her.

[00:14:10] Because that seems smart and safe,

[00:14:12] But,

[00:14:13] To be fair,

[00:14:14] We haven't had a Disney hero or heroine,

[00:14:18] Really,

[00:14:19] In the past,

[00:14:20] Unless,

[00:14:21] Correct me if I'm wrong,

[00:14:21] But in the,

[00:14:22] At least the last five years,

[00:14:23] That has actually been,

[00:14:25] Intelligent,

[00:14:26] Like,

[00:14:27] And not making terrible decisions,

[00:14:29] Along the entire way.

[00:14:30] They're ultimately right in the end,

[00:14:32] But,

[00:14:32] They screw up a lot.

[00:14:34] Would Elsa,

[00:14:35] Would Elsa count?

[00:14:36] Elsa made a ton of horrible mistakes.

[00:14:39] True.

[00:14:40] I mean,

[00:14:40] She makes a ton of mistakes.

[00:14:42] And I hear that she makes a lot more,

[00:14:45] In the third,

[00:14:46] And a fourth.

[00:14:48] Because,

[00:14:48] Yeah,

[00:14:48] I just found out,

[00:14:49] They're making a fourth.

[00:14:51] But there's,

[00:14:52] Wait,

[00:14:52] Is there a Frozen 3 already?

[00:14:53] Did I miss something?

[00:14:55] It's,

[00:14:56] It's gonna come out like,

[00:14:57] In a couple,

[00:14:57] In like a year or two.

[00:15:00] Didn't we say everything we needed to say,

[00:15:02] In the first Frozen 3?

[00:15:04] I feel like we had everything to say,

[00:15:06] In the second,

[00:15:07] And then,

[00:15:08] Oh no,

[00:15:09] See,

[00:15:09] I disagree.

[00:15:09] I think the second one should never have been made,

[00:15:11] Because,

[00:15:13] Something Disney is doing,

[00:15:15] And it's very annoying for me.

[00:15:17] I,

[00:15:18] I don't mean,

[00:15:19] Woke in the general political sense,

[00:15:21] In this particular case,

[00:15:22] But,

[00:15:23] Instead of,

[00:15:24] Telling stories that are,

[00:15:27] Universal and timeless,

[00:15:29] Disney is getting really selective,

[00:15:30] With the kind of stories they're telling.

[00:15:32] Like,

[00:15:32] I'm not faulting Frozen 2,

[00:15:34] Because,

[00:15:35] It's a story worth telling,

[00:15:37] That kind of story.

[00:15:38] I just don't know that Frozen,

[00:15:39] Is the right platform for it,

[00:15:42] If that makes sense.

[00:15:43] I just don't think we need a third,

[00:15:45] Or a fourth one.

[00:15:47] I agree,

[00:15:47] Although,

[00:15:47] I will say,

[00:15:48] As,

[00:15:48] As a standalone joke,

[00:15:50] I loved the,

[00:15:51] Like,

[00:15:52] 90's music video,

[00:15:54] Parody that Kristoff did,

[00:15:55] But it was so out of place in that movie.

[00:15:57] I also love the line of,

[00:15:59] Like,

[00:15:59] Samantha?

[00:16:00] I don't even know a Samantha.

[00:16:04] I,

[00:16:05] I have to explain that to people,

[00:16:06] Because I don't like Frozen 2,

[00:16:08] As a movie,

[00:16:09] But I love that gag,

[00:16:10] And people are like,

[00:16:10] That doesn't make any sense.

[00:16:11] I'm like,

[00:16:12] No,

[00:16:12] The gag,

[00:16:13] By itself,

[00:16:14] Is funny.

[00:16:15] It's,

[00:16:16] Placement in that movie,

[00:16:18] Is not.

[00:16:19] If that makes,

[00:16:20] Any sense.

[00:16:24] Um,

[00:16:25] But anyway,

[00:16:26] Back to Moana.

[00:16:27] Uh,

[00:16:28] Here's my biggest issue.

[00:16:29] My biggest issue with Moana,

[00:16:30] Hey,

[00:16:30] We're keeping it,

[00:16:31] At least we're talking about Disney and movies.

[00:16:33] Um,

[00:16:34] Yeah.

[00:16:34] My biggest issue with Moana though,

[00:16:36] And this actually goes into what I was talking about earlier,

[00:16:38] About how,

[00:16:39] Uh,

[00:16:40] Disney has also gotten away from,

[00:16:43] To their detriment,

[00:16:44] I think,

[00:16:45] Of heroes acting like heroes.

[00:16:47] And I don't like it.

[00:16:49] I don't like it at all.

[00:16:51] I get what they're trying to do.

[00:16:56] Movies are not a place for that.

[00:16:58] At least not these kinds of movies.

[00:16:59] Because these are movies that will influence children.

[00:17:02] Whether they want to admit it or not.

[00:17:04] Like,

[00:17:04] Disney movies are hardcore up there on influencing kids.

[00:17:08] And here's,

[00:17:08] What about Hercules though?

[00:17:10] Hercules,

[00:17:11] Like,

[00:17:12] Hero,

[00:17:13] Is being,

[00:17:14] Trying to be,

[00:17:14] Like,

[00:17:14] The hero and everything.

[00:17:16] Like,

[00:17:17] Is he,

[00:17:17] Right.

[00:17:17] Is he Hercules?

[00:17:19] Right,

[00:17:19] Right.

[00:17:19] Here's the difference though.

[00:17:20] And I'm glad you brought that up.

[00:17:21] Because Hercules is actually a really perfect foil for this.

[00:17:24] This is why Hercules is good and Moana is bad.

[00:17:27] So,

[00:17:28] There's a point,

[00:17:29] The whole movie

[00:17:32] Drives home the fact successfully that Moana has been chosen.

[00:17:35] She has a destiny.

[00:17:36] And not only does she have a destiny,

[00:17:37] Destiny,

[00:17:38] She has a duty

[00:17:40] To,

[00:17:41] Uh,

[00:17:43] It's,

[00:17:43] It's going to be up to her to save everyone.

[00:17:45] But she's been chosen to have this power.

[00:17:47] The ocean has chosen her.

[00:17:49] Right.

[00:17:49] There's a moment in the movie where things get tough.

[00:17:53] And I get it.

[00:17:53] Moana's human.

[00:17:54] The character is human.

[00:17:55] Right.

[00:17:55] There's a moment where

[00:17:58] She talks to the spirit.

[00:17:59] It's her grandmother,

[00:18:00] I think.

[00:18:01] Right.

[00:18:02] Yep.

[00:18:03] I forget the character's name.

[00:18:05] Her grandmother spirit comes to her and basically tells her,

[00:18:09] If you haven't seen Moana,

[00:18:10] I'm not being hyperbolic here.

[00:18:11] She basically tells her that it's totally okay to pack up and go home.

[00:18:15] No big deal.

[00:18:17] And I'm like,

[00:18:18] No,

[00:18:18] It's a huge deal.

[00:18:19] Because if you don't do the thing,

[00:18:22] Everyone will die.

[00:18:24] Maybe slowly.

[00:18:25] But,

[00:18:26] It's like,

[00:18:27] Yes,

[00:18:27] Is it?

[00:18:28] But,

[00:18:29] But,

[00:18:31] And it's,

[00:18:32] It's frustrating because people say,

[00:18:33] Well,

[00:18:34] Yeah,

[00:18:34] But she does the thing.

[00:18:35] I'm like,

[00:18:35] I get that she does the thing and that's good.

[00:18:37] But,

[00:18:38] She's given permission to not do the thing.

[00:18:42] But I don't like that moment.

[00:18:46] I don't like that.

[00:18:47] Here's the thing about,

[00:18:49] There's a thing that irks me about,

[00:18:52] The village crazy lady that like,

[00:18:55] Gives Moana the permission to go out and like,

[00:18:59] And like,

[00:19:00] Essentially it's like,

[00:19:01] It's up to you to say,

[00:19:04] What?

[00:19:04] To save the village once I'm gone.

[00:19:07] Like,

[00:19:07] As she's dying.

[00:19:08] And I'm like,

[00:19:10] You are going to put on,

[00:19:13] You put that on a 60 year old girl's daughter.

[00:19:17] Like,

[00:19:18] On,

[00:19:18] On her shoulders.

[00:19:20] Okay,

[00:19:21] So this might be,

[00:19:21] This might be a generational difference here.

[00:19:23] That's,

[00:19:26] It sounds a little insensitive,

[00:19:27] But I mean,

[00:19:28] That's,

[00:19:28] That's duty.

[00:19:29] That's the nature of duty.

[00:19:31] Sometimes,

[00:19:31] We have to do things that we don't want to do.

[00:19:34] And that's a fact of life,

[00:19:36] That I think the sooner people realize it.

[00:19:38] Now,

[00:19:38] There are unjust duties,

[00:19:40] For sure.

[00:19:41] But they're duties nonetheless.

[00:19:43] Like,

[00:19:45] Because of,

[00:19:46] Who Moana is,

[00:19:47] I mean,

[00:19:47] She's literally been chosen by nature.

[00:19:50] And,

[00:19:52] That's not something that,

[00:19:53] If this were to happen in the real world,

[00:19:55] That's not something that she can just walk away from.

[00:19:57] Because she's literally the only person on the planet that can do this.

[00:20:01] So,

[00:20:02] Yeah,

[00:20:03] You kind of have to.

[00:20:04] And,

[00:20:05] The difference between her and Hercules,

[00:20:08] Is that nobody gives permission,

[00:20:10] For Hercules to stop,

[00:20:12] Even though he could have made the choice.

[00:20:16] Sorry,

[00:20:17] Got a message.

[00:20:17] Um,

[00:20:19] Hercules could have made the choice,

[00:20:20] But,

[00:20:21] That would have made him,

[00:20:22] Not only a failure,

[00:20:23] But that would have made him a bad guy.

[00:20:25] That would have made him not a hero.

[00:20:27] And I actually love that moment in the movie,

[00:20:29] Where Hercules,

[00:20:31] Voluntarily gives up his powers,

[00:20:33] Knowing full well that he's probably going to be cheated,

[00:20:35] But just for the chance of,

[00:20:36] Saving Meg,

[00:20:37] Right?

[00:20:38] He willingly gives up his powers,

[00:20:40] And then he goes,

[00:20:41] And becomes a hero,

[00:20:42] Anyway.

[00:20:43] And I love that moment in the movie,

[00:20:45] Because he stands up to the Titans,

[00:20:47] With no powers,

[00:20:50] And that's the difference.

[00:20:51] That's the difference between Hercules and Moana.

[00:20:54] As movies,

[00:20:56] Not as characters.

[00:20:57] Whereas Moana,

[00:20:58] She just kind of,

[00:21:00] Is there.

[00:21:02] Like,

[00:21:02] I mean,

[00:21:03] Yeah,

[00:21:03] To a point,

[00:21:04] Hercules is very active in his hero's journey,

[00:21:07] Moana seems very reactive,

[00:21:09] As a character.

[00:21:11] Um,

[00:21:11] She does make the choice,

[00:21:12] To go out,

[00:21:13] But she wanted to go out before.

[00:21:15] It,

[00:21:15] The inciting incident wasn't,

[00:21:17] She had to go out,

[00:21:18] She's wanted to go out since she was,

[00:21:20] You know,

[00:21:21] Young.

[00:21:22] So,

[00:21:23] Her quest is almost an excuse to go out,

[00:21:25] Whereas Hercules,

[00:21:27] Um,

[00:21:29] His I Want song,

[00:21:30] Which is one of the best I want songs,

[00:21:33] Ever.

[00:21:33] I can go the distance,

[00:21:35] Or go the distance,

[00:21:36] I think is the actual title.

[00:21:37] Um,

[00:21:38] It's actually funny,

[00:21:39] Because I don't know,

[00:21:40] Do you know Cinema Therapy on YouTube?

[00:21:42] That channel?

[00:21:44] Mm,

[00:21:44] Mm,

[00:21:45] Oh,

[00:21:46] You should,

[00:21:46] You'd like it.

[00:21:47] Uh,

[00:21:47] They're very entertaining.

[00:21:48] Um,

[00:21:48] When they were talking about Hercules,

[00:21:50] It's funny,

[00:21:50] Because Alan,

[00:21:51] Um,

[00:21:52] Who's the film,

[00:21:52] It's a filmmaker and a therapist,

[00:21:53] And they talk about movies.

[00:21:55] Um,

[00:21:55] Alan actually points out that Hercules,

[00:21:58] Probably gets the fastest resolution,

[00:22:00] To his I Want song,

[00:22:01] Of any character ever.

[00:22:03] Because as he's singing it,

[00:22:04] It does.

[00:22:05] It doesn't,

[00:22:06] No,

[00:22:06] But seriously,

[00:22:06] It's kind of funny,

[00:22:07] Because his I Want song,

[00:22:08] Is not wanting to know where he came from,

[00:22:10] Right?

[00:22:11] Yeah.

[00:22:12] Yep.

[00:22:13] In the next scene,

[00:22:14] He goes to the Temple of Zeus,

[00:22:15] And finds out where he came from,

[00:22:16] Where he came from.

[00:22:19] He comes to everything,

[00:22:20] Like,

[00:22:21] That,

[00:22:21] I'm like,

[00:22:22] He's like,

[00:22:23] Oh,

[00:22:23] Cool.

[00:22:24] Well then,

[00:22:24] Then,

[00:22:26] His goal changes,

[00:22:27] With that new information,

[00:22:28] And that's where you get the story,

[00:22:29] But it is,

[00:22:29] It's pretty funny,

[00:22:30] He's like,

[00:22:30] That's the fastest resolution,

[00:22:32] Of my I Want song,

[00:22:33] In any Disney movie ever.

[00:22:34] And I'm like,

[00:22:35] That's,

[00:22:35] It's actually quite funny.

[00:22:36] But there's a reason why,

[00:22:38] Right.

[00:22:38] But see,

[00:22:39] They knew this,

[00:22:40] Because if you recall,

[00:22:41] After he,

[00:22:42] Leaves the Temple of Zeus,

[00:22:44] The number continues.

[00:22:47] Because now he has a new,

[00:22:49] Now he has a new goal.

[00:22:51] Yeah.

[00:22:51] Um,

[00:22:52] Which is still the same goal,

[00:22:53] Because he wants to go back to where he's from,

[00:22:55] Because he knows he's not normal,

[00:22:56] Blah,

[00:22:57] Blah,

[00:22:57] Blah,

[00:22:57] Blah,

[00:22:57] Blah,

[00:22:58] You've seen Hercules,

[00:22:59] I'm sure,

[00:22:59] If not,

[00:22:59] Get off your ass,

[00:23:00] It's a great movie.

[00:23:01] I just hope they don't ruin it,

[00:23:02] With a live action remake,

[00:23:04] Because they will.

[00:23:05] They'll,

[00:23:06] They'll give Hercules the same Moana chance,

[00:23:09] Where it's like,

[00:23:10] You know,

[00:23:10] I read about that.

[00:23:12] Yeah.

[00:23:12] I read about the,

[00:23:14] They're going,

[00:23:14] They're,

[00:23:14] Instead of doing it like,

[00:23:16] Shot per shot,

[00:23:18] Of like,

[00:23:19] Hercules,

[00:23:19] It's going to be in,

[00:23:20] Hades perspective.

[00:23:23] And they're going to make Hades,

[00:23:25] This tragic,

[00:23:26] Which,

[00:23:26] Okay,

[00:23:27] So here's the irony of that.

[00:23:28] So,

[00:23:29] Hades is actually,

[00:23:30] In actual Greek mythology,

[00:23:31] Hades really isn't a bad guy.

[00:23:33] He's actually one of the more,

[00:23:34] Stand up,

[00:23:35] Olympian gods.

[00:23:36] It's kind of ironic,

[00:23:37] But,

[00:23:37] Because of our,

[00:23:39] You know,

[00:23:39] Our nation's prevalence,

[00:23:41] Of Judeo-Christian imagery,

[00:23:42] Hades is basically presented as Satan,

[00:23:45] In that movie.

[00:23:45] So it works,

[00:23:46] Thematically it works,

[00:23:48] For the movie.

[00:23:49] Now they're,

[00:23:50] They're going to make Hades,

[00:23:52] Which first of all,

[00:23:52] If it's not James Woods,

[00:23:53] I'm going to be pissed.

[00:23:55] I mean,

[00:23:56] James Woods,

[00:23:57] Is immaculate in that.

[00:23:58] Well,

[00:23:59] And James Woods,

[00:24:01] Is so,

[00:24:02] On record of saying,

[00:24:04] And doing,

[00:24:06] Any portrayal of Hades,

[00:24:07] That Disney needs,

[00:24:08] He said he'll do it,

[00:24:09] No matter if it's,

[00:24:10] And he's done it for the TV series,

[00:24:11] That was James Woods.

[00:24:13] For Kingdom Hearts,

[00:24:14] That was James Woods.

[00:24:15] He loves that character.

[00:24:17] So,

[00:24:17] To me,

[00:24:18] If you're going to,

[00:24:19] If you're going to make,

[00:24:20] Dwayne Johnson live action Maui,

[00:24:23] You need James Woods,

[00:24:24] To be live action Hades.

[00:24:25] Nobody can,

[00:24:26] Pop it.

[00:24:27] Unless,

[00:24:28] You're going to make him,

[00:24:30] You're going to make Hades,

[00:24:31] The tragic,

[00:24:32] You know,

[00:24:32] Hero of that story,

[00:24:34] And Hercules is the asshole,

[00:24:35] Who punches him.

[00:24:36] Like,

[00:24:37] It's going to happen.

[00:24:42] Now you're making me,

[00:24:43] Not so excited to see this movie.

[00:24:45] Oh,

[00:24:45] They're going to ruin it.

[00:24:46] They're going to absolutely ruin it.

[00:24:48] Because Disney,

[00:24:48] And I'm going to podcast about it.

[00:24:50] Well,

[00:24:50] Disney ruins every live action,

[00:24:52] Remake they've done.

[00:24:53] Name me one good one,

[00:24:54] Other than Cinderella,

[00:24:55] Because I,

[00:24:55] I haven't seen it,

[00:24:56] But I've been told,

[00:24:57] That the live action Cinderella,

[00:24:58] Is actually pretty good.

[00:24:59] It's so good.

[00:25:01] I've,

[00:25:01] I've been told it's good,

[00:25:02] But name one other,

[00:25:03] Name one other one,

[00:25:04] That was actually good.

[00:25:08] Beauty and the Beast?

[00:25:09] No,

[00:25:10] That movie wasn't good.

[00:25:11] That movie wasn't good.

[00:25:12] Don't name it.

[00:25:13] That movie was not good.

[00:25:14] I,

[00:25:14] I don't,

[00:25:15] I,

[00:25:15] I won't ruin it for you.

[00:25:16] I won't ruin it for you.

[00:25:19] Right,

[00:25:19] I will let you know,

[00:25:20] Um,

[00:25:21] There's a,

[00:25:21] There's a great YouTube channel,

[00:25:23] Which you probably know,

[00:25:23] This one's called Sideways.

[00:25:25] He breaks down,

[00:25:27] Um,

[00:25:27] Because obviously he's a,

[00:25:28] He's a,

[00:25:29] He's a music educator,

[00:25:31] Because the way he nerds out on stuff,

[00:25:34] Um,

[00:25:35] It's very interesting,

[00:25:36] But he tells you why the music in,

[00:25:37] The live action Beauty and the Beast,

[00:25:39] Was actually awful.

[00:25:41] And after watching it,

[00:25:42] I was like,

[00:25:43] Son of a bitch.

[00:25:45] Like,

[00:25:45] I didn't think it was that bad.

[00:25:47] And I know you like it because,

[00:25:48] Um,

[00:25:49] They added,

[00:25:49] What's the song they added?

[00:25:51] Nevermore?

[00:25:51] Nevermore.

[00:25:52] I almost said One Day More,

[00:25:53] But I'm like,

[00:25:54] That's Les Mis.

[00:25:55] That's Les Mis.

[00:25:57] It's also one,

[00:25:58] It's also a way better song,

[00:25:59] But,

[00:26:01] That's Les Mis.

[00:26:02] I know,

[00:26:03] I knew I was wrong.

[00:26:04] I knew I was wrong.

[00:26:08] Hey,

[00:26:08] A lot of people would be surprised,

[00:26:09] That I know One Day More.

[00:26:11] At least on this channel.

[00:26:13] Could you imagine if that was in,

[00:26:15] Beauty and the Beast 2?

[00:26:17] I mean,

[00:26:18] Honestly,

[00:26:20] It changed a couple of the words,

[00:26:21] And it,

[00:26:21] It would be a perfect number for Beast to sing,

[00:26:24] As Belle's leaving to save her dad.

[00:26:29] Oh,

[00:26:29] Now,

[00:26:30] Now I want to watch Les Mis.

[00:26:31] As much as,

[00:26:32] As much as that movie was,

[00:26:34] Kind of a,

[00:26:34] Um,

[00:26:35] A failed experiment,

[00:26:36] I still like it.

[00:26:39] I know,

[00:26:40] I eventually want to do that,

[00:26:41] For an episode,

[00:26:42] But,

[00:26:43] I need to,

[00:26:43] I need to,

[00:26:45] Figure out the right time.

[00:26:46] You need to get somebody that was in one of the casts,

[00:26:50] Some,

[00:26:51] Something somewhere.

[00:26:53] Well,

[00:26:53] I don't know if I can get it,

[00:26:55] In Hathaway.

[00:26:56] No,

[00:26:57] Not the movie,

[00:26:57] I mean the stage play,

[00:26:58] Cause yeah,

[00:26:58] I don't,

[00:26:59] I don't,

[00:26:59] The stage play?

[00:26:59] Yeah,

[00:27:00] Of some,

[00:27:01] Someone who's been,

[00:27:03] Involved in Les Mis,

[00:27:04] In some,

[00:27:05] Capacity.

[00:27:06] I don't know,

[00:27:07] Maybe if,

[00:27:09] Playing Wolverine again,

[00:27:10] Knocked Hugh Jackman down a couple pegs,

[00:27:12] I don't know.

[00:27:15] Somehow,

[00:27:16] I doubt it.

[00:27:18] I still haven't watched that,

[00:27:19] By the way.

[00:27:20] You're missing out,

[00:27:22] It's very good.

[00:27:23] I refuse to watch it,

[00:27:25] Cause,

[00:27:25] I need to hold,

[00:27:27] Hugh Jackman to a high standard.

[00:27:30] Still.

[00:27:31] Actually,

[00:27:32] Actually,

[00:27:33] From an acting perspective,

[00:27:34] Hugh Jackman brings it,

[00:27:36] In,

[00:27:37] A very surprising way,

[00:27:38] In,

[00:27:39] More than a few scenes.

[00:27:41] Because,

[00:27:42] In that,

[00:27:43] In that movie,

[00:27:44] He doesn't play the same Wolverine,

[00:27:46] He played in the other X-Men movies.

[00:27:48] He plays what's been,

[00:27:50] Kind of coined as the worst Wolverine,

[00:27:51] In his universe.

[00:27:52] Things don't go well for him.

[00:27:55] So,

[00:27:55] Hugh Jackman is able to give a really,

[00:27:57] A really,

[00:27:58] Really good,

[00:27:59] And emotional performance,

[00:28:01] In,

[00:28:02] Quite a few different scenes.

[00:28:03] So,

[00:28:04] It's,

[00:28:04] It's quite good.

[00:28:06] And,

[00:28:06] Hugh Jackman's always good.

[00:28:07] So,

[00:28:10] Come on.

[00:28:10] Hugh Jackman's always good.

[00:28:11] If he was in Moana,

[00:28:12] It would have been better.

[00:28:13] I don't know who he would have played,

[00:28:15] But,

[00:28:19] But yeah.

[00:28:20] So,

[00:28:20] My issue with Moana though,

[00:28:21] Is the fact that,

[00:28:22] The hero,

[00:28:24] Is given permission,

[00:28:26] To shrug off her sense of duty.

[00:28:29] And I just,

[00:28:30] I think that sends the wrong message,

[00:28:32] Narratively speaking.

[00:28:33] Because again,

[00:28:33] This is a movie,

[00:28:34] This isn't real life.

[00:28:35] Moana is not an actual person.

[00:28:38] Like,

[00:28:39] Is that morally wrong?

[00:28:40] To hold a real person,

[00:28:42] To that sort of standard?

[00:28:43] Yes,

[00:28:43] But there also aren't any real people,

[00:28:45] That are the only people,

[00:28:46] That have been chosen by nature,

[00:28:48] To save everyone,

[00:28:50] From,

[00:28:51] Of fire-breathing,

[00:28:52] Island monster.

[00:28:54] So,

[00:28:55] I like how you call that,

[00:28:56] Fire-breathing island monster.

[00:28:58] Is that not what it is?

[00:29:00] It's not,

[00:29:01] I mean,

[00:29:01] It's the PD,

[00:29:03] Angry the PD,

[00:29:04] But,

[00:29:04] Okay.

[00:29:06] And she is also a,

[00:29:07] Fire-breathing,

[00:29:09] Island monster.

[00:29:12] Touché.

[00:29:15] Until she settles down.

[00:29:16] Until she settles down.

[00:29:18] Until she settles down.

[00:29:19] For getting that movie,

[00:29:20] Was so lackluster for me,

[00:29:21] I'm like,

[00:29:22] All,

[00:29:23] So wait,

[00:29:23] Wait,

[00:29:23] Wait,

[00:29:24] The villain of this movie,

[00:29:25] All she literally had to do,

[00:29:26] Was take a chill pill,

[00:29:28] And then we're fine?

[00:29:30] Like,

[00:29:30] It seems a little underwhelming to me.

[00:29:34] All she had to have,

[00:29:35] Is like a little tiny rock thing,

[00:29:37] And then,

[00:29:38] I made the joke,

[00:29:40] And I didn't feel bad about making the joke,

[00:29:42] Because,

[00:29:43] The film essentially said this,

[00:29:44] I was like,

[00:29:45] Huh,

[00:29:46] A movie where the resolution,

[00:29:47] Is somebody telling a woman,

[00:29:48] She just needs to calm down.

[00:29:51] That'll go over well.

[00:29:56] Because,

[00:29:56] At the end of,

[00:29:57] At the end of the day,

[00:29:58] Is that not what happened?

[00:30:03] There's,

[00:30:04] In Epcot,

[00:30:05] There's a,

[00:30:06] They did this thing recently,

[00:30:08] Where they,

[00:30:09] Added like,

[00:30:11] Kind of like a,

[00:30:11] Water area,

[00:30:13] Where it's like,

[00:30:14] All Moana theme,

[00:30:15] Like there's the heart,

[00:30:17] The,

[00:30:17] The,

[00:30:18] There's like,

[00:30:19] Tefiti,

[00:30:19] And then you go through,

[00:30:20] A bunch of water stuff,

[00:30:23] It's lackluster,

[00:30:24] Like lackluster,

[00:30:26] It's not,

[00:30:27] Yeah,

[00:30:29] I remember when I went,

[00:30:30] They had changed,

[00:30:31] Which I think they were still working on it,

[00:30:33] So,

[00:30:33] It might be better now,

[00:30:34] But they had changed over,

[00:30:36] Like the Norway section,

[00:30:38] Or,

[00:30:39] Maybe it wasn't Norway,

[00:30:40] Maybe,

[00:30:40] I think it was,

[00:30:41] They have a Norway section,

[00:30:42] At Epcot,

[00:30:42] Do they not?

[00:30:43] Or Scandinavia,

[00:30:44] Maybe?

[00:30:45] Yep.

[00:30:46] Yeah,

[00:30:46] They changed it over to Frozen themed,

[00:30:48] I,

[00:30:48] To be fair,

[00:30:49] I think they were still,

[00:30:50] Adding stuff,

[00:30:51] But,

[00:30:52] I remember feeling a little lackluster too,

[00:30:55] So,

[00:30:56] Yeah,

[00:30:57] Um,

[00:30:58] I can't remember that,

[00:30:59] Or hide,

[00:31:00] But that,

[00:31:00] Ended up,

[00:31:01] Being changed to,

[00:31:03] Um,

[00:31:04] Frozen Never After,

[00:31:05] Or,

[00:31:05] No,

[00:31:05] Not Frozen Never After,

[00:31:07] The,

[00:31:07] Uh,

[00:31:08] Oh my god,

[00:31:09] What's that?

[00:31:09] Frozen ride?

[00:31:10] Frozen ride,

[00:31:11] I can't remember the name of it,

[00:31:13] Are,

[00:31:13] You're talking about the one at Disney?

[00:31:15] Yeah,

[00:31:16] Um,

[00:31:17] It used to be,

[00:31:18] It used to just be the Viking ride,

[00:31:20] Ironically,

[00:31:21] It still had trolls in it,

[00:31:22] So that was fun,

[00:31:23] That was a nice little,

[00:31:25] Interesting,

[00:31:26] Uh,

[00:31:27] Yeah,

[00:31:27] But it was,

[00:31:27] It was the magic trolls,

[00:31:29] Well,

[00:31:29] Yes,

[00:31:30] Yes,

[00:31:30] But,

[00:31:32] It's still funny,

[00:31:33] That it still had trolls in it,

[00:31:34] I'm like,

[00:31:35] Wow,

[00:31:35] This ride's a lot cuter,

[00:31:36] Than I remember it being,

[00:31:38] Cause the first,

[00:31:39] Well,

[00:31:39] It was actually the only time I'd been on,

[00:31:41] I was significantly younger,

[00:31:42] I'm like,

[00:31:42] This is kind of scary,

[00:31:46] Yeah,

[00:31:46] I think I remember,

[00:31:47] I think I,

[00:31:48] I went on that ride,

[00:31:49] And I was like,

[00:31:50] Uh,

[00:31:50] No,

[00:31:50] Thank you,

[00:31:51] No more,

[00:31:51] No more,

[00:31:53] Alrighty,

[00:31:54] Well,

[00:31:55] We're going to,

[00:31:55] Because I have to investigate what my stupid dog is doing,

[00:31:58] So Haley,

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[00:32:44] Recorded,

[00:32:45] Like,

[00:32:47] Like,

[00:32:47] Not even 24 hours ago,

[00:32:50] We,

[00:32:50] We recorded the Wicked episode,

[00:32:55] Until that,

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[00:33:07] Well,

[00:33:07] Not shocked,

[00:33:07] Shock's not the right word,

[00:33:08] Um,

[00:33:10] I'm,

[00:33:11] Not even surprised,

[00:33:12] Cause that,

[00:33:13] It sounds negative,

[00:33:14] It's not a negative thing,

[00:33:15] I'm stoked,

[00:33:17] Like,

[00:33:17] And super proud of some of the guests you've been able to get,

[00:33:20] For your podcast,

[00:33:22] Mm-hmm,

[00:33:22] And,

[00:33:23] Uh,

[00:33:23] I think you'll only get more,

[00:33:25] Um,

[00:33:25] A lot of very,

[00:33:26] Very cool,

[00:33:27] Informative episodes,

[00:33:28] And then just fun ones,

[00:33:29] Because,

[00:33:29] If you enjoy watching me and Justin just ramble incessantly,

[00:33:33] All five of you,

[00:33:34] You'll love them,

[00:33:37] And,

[00:33:38] But then,

[00:33:39] They also kind of derail my podcast episodes all the fucking time,

[00:33:43] Oh,

[00:33:43] We don't kind of derail,

[00:33:44] We,

[00:33:44] I mean,

[00:33:45] We steer that thing off a cliff,

[00:33:47] But,

[00:33:47] It's your fault,

[00:33:48] Because you keep inviting us,

[00:33:50] Cause you love it,

[00:33:50] You secretly love it,

[00:33:55] Fine,

[00:33:56] So,

[00:33:57] Yeah,

[00:33:57] So,

[00:33:58] Moana,

[00:33:58] Um,

[00:34:00] Yeah,

[00:34:00] I just,

[00:34:01] It was very frustrating for me,

[00:34:03] Because I remember when it came out,

[00:34:04] Everybody's like,

[00:34:08] It seems like you're all just saying this,

[00:34:09] Because Disney told you you were supposed to say it,

[00:34:13] But,

[00:34:14] I just,

[00:34:15] I don't see it,

[00:34:16] It's not,

[00:34:16] It's,

[00:34:17] It's not bad,

[00:34:19] It's not,

[00:34:20] But it's not great,

[00:34:22] It's,

[00:34:23] It's alright,

[00:34:24] Like,

[00:34:25] To that,

[00:34:25] To that,

[00:34:26] I ask you guys,

[00:34:28] Did Disney pay you to say that?

[00:34:33] Apparently,

[00:34:34] Um,

[00:34:35] I would actually be really interested,

[00:34:37] You know what would tell the tale,

[00:34:38] Actually,

[00:34:39] Um,

[00:34:40] If we looked at,

[00:34:41] Disney Plus numbers,

[00:34:42] Because Box Office is a little misleading,

[00:34:44] Because,

[00:34:45] A bad movie with a lot of buzz,

[00:34:47] Can still do really well at the box office,

[00:34:49] But,

[00:34:49] Disney Plus viewership numbers,

[00:34:52] Would be the real,

[00:34:54] Indication,

[00:34:55] Because there's a lot of Disney movies,

[00:34:56] That I watch,

[00:34:57] Repeatedly,

[00:34:58] I've seen Moana one time,

[00:35:00] Because I had zero desire to rewatch,

[00:35:02] Because,

[00:35:02] Most Disney movies have a tremendous,

[00:35:04] Reviewability,

[00:35:05] Factor,

[00:35:06] Like,

[00:35:06] Again,

[00:35:07] We talked about Hercules,

[00:35:08] I mean,

[00:35:09] I rewatch Hercules,

[00:35:10] At least once every couple of years,

[00:35:12] Because,

[00:35:12] It's,

[00:35:13] It's a good movie,

[00:35:13] I rewatched Hunchback of Notre Dame,

[00:35:15] Every couple years,

[00:35:16] Because,

[00:35:17] It's good,

[00:35:17] Most Disney movies,

[00:35:18] I'll watch at least once every couple years,

[00:35:20] Because they're just genuinely good movies,

[00:35:22] And then there are some,

[00:35:23] That are just,

[00:35:24] Classics,

[00:35:24] That,

[00:35:25] Most people watch multiple times a year,

[00:35:27] Just because,

[00:35:28] They're good,

[00:35:30] I mean,

[00:35:31] Speaking of,

[00:35:31] The Hunchback of Notre Dame,

[00:35:33] Real quick though,

[00:35:33] I am so excited,

[00:35:35] About that live action,

[00:35:37] That one could be,

[00:35:38] Because that was kind of a weird addition,

[00:35:40] In Disney's catalog,

[00:35:42] I'll be honest,

[00:35:43] I don't know how they got away with it,

[00:35:46] I mean,

[00:35:46] Josh Gadda,

[00:35:47] It's Quasimodo,

[00:35:48] Okay,

[00:35:49] No,

[00:35:52] I need to hear him,

[00:35:54] Because I'm sure he can,

[00:35:56] I need to hear him sing,

[00:35:58] Seriously,

[00:35:59] Not in a comedic role,

[00:36:00] Because I've only seen him in comedic roles,

[00:36:02] I'm sure he can,

[00:36:04] Because,

[00:36:04] I mean,

[00:36:05] You don't get on Broadway,

[00:36:06] By being mediocre,

[00:36:07] Vocally,

[00:36:08] Um,

[00:36:09] That being said,

[00:36:10] I'm a big Tom Hulse fan,

[00:36:12] Who voiced him,

[00:36:14] In the animated movie,

[00:36:16] Um,

[00:36:18] Good luck topping that,

[00:36:19] Because,

[00:36:20] It was,

[00:36:21] Damn good,

[00:36:23] So damn good,

[00:36:25] But,

[00:36:25] That one might actually be,

[00:36:27] One of the rare instances,

[00:36:28] Where they get a good live action remake,

[00:36:30] Because that's a very,

[00:36:31] Un-Disney,

[00:36:33] Disney movie,

[00:36:35] Yeah,

[00:36:35] It's dark,

[00:36:38] But it's like,

[00:36:39] Also going back to,

[00:36:41] Going back to Moana again,

[00:36:42] Like,

[00:36:43] They're also doing that,

[00:36:44] It's a live action,

[00:36:45] Yeah,

[00:36:46] And that is absolutely,

[00:36:47] Like,

[00:36:48] You can maybe make the case,

[00:36:49] That the first Moana wasn't,

[00:36:51] To give Dwayne Johnson,

[00:36:52] Something to do,

[00:36:53] The live action is absolutely,

[00:36:54] To give Dwayne Johnson,

[00:36:56] Something to do,

[00:36:56] Why?

[00:36:57] Who asked for this?

[00:36:58] I was gonna say,

[00:36:59] Guess who's playing with Maui,

[00:37:01] In the live action?

[00:37:02] Is,

[00:37:03] And I'm sorry,

[00:37:03] I can never remember her name,

[00:37:04] Because I'm terrible with names,

[00:37:06] Unless it's somebody that I,

[00:37:07] I see their name all the time,

[00:37:08] Plus I'm a wrestling fan,

[00:37:09] So I absolutely know who The Rock is,

[00:37:11] But,

[00:37:11] The actress who voices Moana,

[00:37:13] What's her name again?

[00:37:14] Ali,

[00:37:15] Ali,

[00:37:16] K,

[00:37:16] K,

[00:37:17] K,

[00:37:17] K,

[00:37:17] K,

[00:37:18] K,

[00:37:18] K,

[00:37:19] K,

[00:37:21] she is not.

[00:37:24] That seems odd to me

[00:37:25] because I've seen what she looks like.

[00:37:27] She doesn't have a face for radio.

[00:37:31] She

[00:37:33] was asked

[00:37:34] and she turned it down.

[00:37:35] Oh, did she turn it down? Really? Well, I can't fault them for that.

[00:37:38] Really?

[00:37:39] That seems odd.

[00:37:41] I guess she's playing Maui again.

[00:37:43] Yeah.

[00:37:45] Yeah.

[00:37:47] There is one good thing about me

[00:37:49] having seen Moana.

[00:37:51] So when Dwayne Johnson

[00:37:53] went back to

[00:37:55] WWE leading up to the

[00:37:57] WrestleMania where Cody won the

[00:37:59] WWE Championship, Cody

[00:38:01] makes a joke in the ring

[00:38:03] where he just says,

[00:38:05] you're welcome to Dwayne Johnson

[00:38:07] and I'm like, okay, that's funny.

[00:38:09] Oh my god.

[00:38:11] That's funny and it's funny because I heard him

[00:38:13] say in an interview later

[00:38:15] he was like, that was not planned.

[00:38:18] He was like, I just

[00:38:19] felt it in the moment and it was like, actually I could tell

[00:38:21] like Dwayne's a professional but I know that that kind of annoyed

[00:38:23] him a little bit because he was like

[00:38:26] damn, he got me. He was like, but it's

[00:38:28] funny because I actually love Dwayne

[00:38:30] because Cody has a very young daughter

[00:38:31] and he was like, she watches Moana all the time.

[00:38:34] It's like one of her favorite movies. So

[00:38:35] I'm just constantly listening to that

[00:38:37] damn song.

[00:38:41] Okay, now you gotta send me that clip later

[00:38:43] because I gotta see that. I gotta find it.

[00:38:45] Yeah, because it was

[00:38:47] last year. But yeah,

[00:38:49] I'll find it. But it is funny because he just goes

[00:38:51] you're welcome and the whole

[00:38:54] thankfully most of the audience got the

[00:38:55] joke because

[00:38:57] you know, most people have

[00:38:59] most wrestling fans actually have families, believe it

[00:39:01] or not. So presumably they would have seen

[00:39:03] Moana. There are probably

[00:39:05] some of the hardcore wrestling fans that are

[00:39:07] like male 18 to 35 who are like

[00:39:09] I'm not watching Moana, it's stupid.

[00:39:13] It is. It's not a very good movie but

[00:39:16] guys go through this phase

[00:39:17] where they're like, these movies are stupid

[00:39:19] and we're all actually like totally cried

[00:39:21] during Toy Story 3 though. We're never gonna

[00:39:23] say it. Except I say

[00:39:25] it because I think if you didn't cry during that movie

[00:39:27] you don't have a soul.

[00:39:29] Like there's something wrong with you.

[00:39:31] Yeah, there's something wrong with you.

[00:39:34] Yeah, it's funny actually.

[00:39:36] If you don't cry at them holding hands.

[00:39:39] Yeah, there's

[00:39:40] you have emotional issues and you should

[00:39:42] seek professional help because there's

[00:39:44] something wrong with you.

[00:39:46] I say that about a lot of movies though actually.

[00:39:51] Anyway, Moana's not one of them.

[00:39:53] Didn't shed a single tear during Moana

[00:39:54] except for myself.

[00:39:56] So I'm like, I can't believe I'm

[00:39:58] watching this awful

[00:40:01] just it's just not a good movie.

[00:40:03] I'm sorry.

[00:40:04] Not sorry.

[00:40:06] I just I just don't get it.

[00:40:08] And actually I read a review.

[00:40:10] This is not me saying this but I think

[00:40:11] it encapsulated it perfectly.

[00:40:13] This was kind of sort of during a time

[00:40:15] where Disney was really into like

[00:40:17] highlighting certain cultures.

[00:40:19] They did.

[00:40:20] They really drove home the fact

[00:40:21] within Kanto for example.

[00:40:23] They really drove home the fact that

[00:40:24] it's like look this is Columbia.

[00:40:27] Yeah, and it's like

[00:40:28] I mean, that's cool.

[00:40:30] I like it, but

[00:40:32] I don't know that you lead your marketing

[00:40:34] with that specifically because

[00:40:35] you still have to make a good movie

[00:40:38] and Coco was a good movie

[00:40:40] but Coco had an antagonist.

[00:40:42] Coco had a villain

[00:40:44] which I point out to everyone.

[00:40:46] I'm like yeah Coco is a good movie

[00:40:47] and it highlights a lot of the

[00:40:48] culture around Day of the Dead.

[00:40:50] But what's really funny though is

[00:40:51] I've had some people tell me

[00:40:52] they're like yeah, it's not really that big.

[00:40:55] It's not that big of a thing.

[00:40:57] Maybe it's a regional perspective.

[00:41:00] I don't know.

[00:41:01] But that's why Coco was good

[00:41:02] and Encanto was eh.

[00:41:04] Is because for one thing

[00:41:06] Lin-Manuel Miranda did not do that music.

[00:41:08] I don't think.

[00:41:11] See, I didn't like Coco.

[00:41:13] You didn't like Coco?

[00:41:14] Why didn't you like Coco?

[00:41:16] It just

[00:41:18] it was kind of hard to understand.

[00:41:21] There's a lot of cultural elements to that

[00:41:23] so I can see it.

[00:41:25] I thought Coco was wonderful.

[00:41:27] Really emotional.

[00:41:31] And

[00:41:32] had a villain.

[00:41:34] And had stakes.

[00:41:35] Whereas Encanto doesn't really have

[00:41:37] any of that.

[00:41:39] And

[00:41:39] Moana has stakes

[00:41:40] but they're stakes

[00:41:41] that we don't really see.

[00:41:44] So everybody talks about

[00:41:45] Oh, go ahead.

[00:41:47] I mean they say

[00:41:48] the grandmother in Encanto

[00:41:50] was the villain but

[00:41:52] See, no.

[00:41:53] She's not a villain because

[00:41:54] she's certainly not a villain.

[00:41:55] She might be an antagonist

[00:41:57] but I even think that's kind of

[00:41:59] because for her to be an antagonist

[00:42:01] she would have

[00:42:01] she would have had to have been

[00:42:03] actively trying to stop Mirabelle

[00:42:05] when

[00:42:06] she didn't even really know

[00:42:07] what was going on.

[00:42:09] So it's kind of hard to be an antagonist

[00:42:10] when you don't know what's happening.

[00:42:12] But

[00:42:13] she's certainly not a villain

[00:42:14] because her motives

[00:42:15] at the very least

[00:42:16] are certainly not evil.

[00:42:18] Like

[00:42:18] she wants to

[00:42:19] not only protect her family

[00:42:21] but the town as well

[00:42:22] and

[00:42:23] the town relies on the family

[00:42:25] and their powers.

[00:42:26] So

[00:42:26] it makes sense.

[00:42:27] Her motivations make sense.

[00:42:28] She's just

[00:42:29] wrong.

[00:42:30] You know?

[00:42:31] And she's only wrong

[00:42:33] because the story says

[00:42:34] she's wrong.

[00:42:35] It's really

[00:42:35] her logic is not

[00:42:37] flawed.

[00:42:38] She's not really

[00:42:39] in tune with the

[00:42:42] emotional health

[00:42:43] of

[00:42:43] certain family members

[00:42:44] but at the same time

[00:42:46] it's like her logic

[00:42:46] is not wrong

[00:42:47] because up to that point

[00:42:49] it's

[00:42:49] made the town

[00:42:50] safe and prosperous.

[00:42:52] So

[00:42:52] you can't really say

[00:42:54] she's wrong

[00:42:55] because it's demonstrably true.

[00:42:57] You know?

[00:42:57] And considering her past

[00:42:59] it's understandable.

[00:43:00] Her motivation's

[00:43:00] understandable.

[00:43:03] So yeah

[00:43:03] I feel like

[00:43:04] the people that say

[00:43:05] she's the

[00:43:07] villain of Encanto

[00:43:08] I think have problems

[00:43:10] with their grandparents

[00:43:11] and they're projecting a bit.

[00:43:13] That's just me.

[00:43:16] No that happens.

[00:43:17] That happens.

[00:43:18] Yeah.

[00:43:19] Absolutely happens.

[00:43:20] Like

[00:43:22] people that think

[00:43:23] that Daniel LaRusso

[00:43:24] was the good guy

[00:43:25] in The Karate Kid

[00:43:25] like

[00:43:26] they're just projecting

[00:43:27] because

[00:43:27] if you think

[00:43:28] Daniel LaRusso

[00:43:29] was the good guy

[00:43:30] you're Daniel LaRusso.

[00:43:32] That's all I'm saying.

[00:43:35] That's all I'm saying.

[00:43:40] All I'm saying.

[00:43:41] Thankfully

[00:43:41] they've rectified this

[00:43:42] in Cobra Kai

[00:43:43] so we can finally

[00:43:44] lay that

[00:43:45] lay that dog to rest.

[00:43:48] I think Moana 2

[00:43:50] I think it's going to do well

[00:43:51] with the box office

[00:43:52] but I think critically

[00:43:53] it's going to be

[00:43:54] eh.

[00:43:55] I don't think it's going to be

[00:43:57] anything special.

[00:43:58] It's not going to be

[00:43:59] Wicked.

[00:44:01] Hell no.

[00:44:02] Hell no.

[00:44:02] Wicked is a triumph of cinema.

[00:44:04] Moana 2 is going to be

[00:44:05] a sequel.

[00:44:08] Moana 2

[00:44:09] I think will have

[00:44:10] the same energy

[00:44:11] and

[00:44:12] before you hate me

[00:44:13] in the comments

[00:44:13] I actually like this movie

[00:44:15] but it'll have the same

[00:44:17] enemy

[00:44:17] as Aladdin 2

[00:44:18] Return of Jafar

[00:44:21] like it's

[00:44:22] it's not a

[00:44:23] it's not a terrible movie

[00:44:24] it could have been better

[00:44:26] um

[00:44:27] I actually like that movie though

[00:44:29] I believe

[00:44:32] they're doing that

[00:44:32] as a live action too

[00:44:34] okay

[00:44:34] now they've gone too far

[00:44:37] that's

[00:44:38] when

[00:44:38] because I heard that

[00:44:40] they're doing

[00:44:41] the

[00:44:42] like

[00:44:43] they're doing Aladdin 2

[00:44:44] and that's what

[00:44:45] it's going to be

[00:44:46] is Aladdin 2

[00:44:47] Return of Jafar

[00:44:52] see it's really

[00:44:53] it's really

[00:44:53] hard for me to

[00:44:55] know how to feel

[00:44:56] about that

[00:44:56] because I actually

[00:44:57] like

[00:44:57] I like that movie

[00:44:59] I really wish

[00:45:00] they hadn't

[00:45:00] um

[00:45:01] I wish they'd put

[00:45:02] more money into it

[00:45:03] but this was

[00:45:04] this was during the time

[00:45:06] when Disney was like

[00:45:07] hey these direct-to-video

[00:45:08] sequels actually

[00:45:08] don't cost us

[00:45:09] anything

[00:45:10] virtually

[00:45:10] and they make

[00:45:11] a lot of money

[00:45:12] so

[00:45:13] but alas

[00:45:14] home video

[00:45:15] physical media

[00:45:16] home video

[00:45:16] is not a thing

[00:45:17] anymore

[00:45:18] so

[00:45:18] I mean it is

[00:45:19] but not like it was

[00:45:22] straight-to-DVD

[00:45:23] movies actually

[00:45:23] used to do

[00:45:24] somewhat well

[00:45:25] at times

[00:45:26] um

[00:45:27] not anymore

[00:45:28] because people

[00:45:28] don't buy DVDs

[00:45:31] which is a shame

[00:45:32] I miss that

[00:45:34] but I can't

[00:45:35] I can't

[00:45:36] it's certainly

[00:45:37] more convenient now

[00:45:38] but there was

[00:45:38] something magical

[00:45:39] about buying

[00:45:40] a physical copy

[00:45:40] and you know

[00:45:45] but uh

[00:45:46] at least we still

[00:45:47] have the theater

[00:45:48] and unfortunately

[00:45:51] I'll be in one

[00:45:52] watching Moana 2

[00:45:55] having to

[00:45:56] pretend that I

[00:45:57] actually no

[00:45:58] I'm not gonna

[00:45:58] pretend that I

[00:45:59] like it

[00:45:59] I can be honest

[00:46:00] about movies

[00:46:02] because um

[00:46:02] I'm trying to

[00:46:03] think of the

[00:46:04] last one

[00:46:04] that I watched

[00:46:05] where my

[00:46:05] girlfriend really

[00:46:06] liked it

[00:46:07] and I

[00:46:07] didn't

[00:46:09] I was just

[00:46:09] kind of like

[00:46:10] eh

[00:46:11] it was alright

[00:46:13] wasn't great

[00:46:15] it was okay

[00:46:17] oh um

[00:46:18] we both felt

[00:46:18] the same

[00:46:19] it's funny

[00:46:19] we both felt

[00:46:20] the same way

[00:46:20] we watched

[00:46:21] Red 1

[00:46:22] I don't know

[00:46:22] if you've seen

[00:46:23] it yet

[00:46:23] it's the

[00:46:23] it's the

[00:46:24] Christmas movie

[00:46:24] with The Rock

[00:46:27] I just saw

[00:46:28] like a couple

[00:46:29] like an hour ago

[00:46:30] I saw a commercial

[00:46:31] for it

[00:46:32] it's not very

[00:46:33] good

[00:46:34] it's

[00:46:35] it's

[00:46:36] it's

[00:46:37] it's

[00:46:37] it's the Fast

[00:46:38] and the Furious

[00:46:38] at Christmas time

[00:46:39] honestly

[00:46:40] it's

[00:46:40] that's what it is

[00:46:42] oh man

[00:46:43] it has

[00:46:44] it has some

[00:46:45] cute moments

[00:46:45] but it's not

[00:46:46] I'll put it

[00:46:47] this way

[00:46:47] if you don't

[00:46:48] have some

[00:46:48] kind of like

[00:46:48] membership

[00:46:49] where your

[00:46:49] movie ticket

[00:46:50] is free

[00:46:50] it's

[00:46:50] it's not

[00:46:51] worth

[00:46:51] going to see

[00:46:53] it's not

[00:46:54] Chris Evans

[00:46:55] is actually

[00:46:56] quite funny

[00:46:56] in it

[00:46:57] I will say

[00:46:57] that he was

[00:46:58] the highlight

[00:47:00] J.K. Simmons

[00:47:01] is wasted

[00:47:02] as Santa Claus

[00:47:02] because he doesn't

[00:47:03] have enough

[00:47:03] screen time

[00:47:04] but

[00:47:07] it was also

[00:47:07] it was the only

[00:47:08] thing that was

[00:47:08] playing at 10 o'clock

[00:47:09] so I was like

[00:47:10] could be

[00:47:11] could be worse

[00:47:12] you know

[00:47:14] but I was

[00:47:15] expecting something

[00:47:15] that felt more

[00:47:27] agreed on

[00:47:27] I'm trying

[00:47:27] to think

[00:47:28] what was

[00:47:28] that movie

[00:47:28] and then

[00:47:28] we saw

[00:47:29] this one

[00:47:29] film

[00:47:29] that actually

[00:47:30] Virus

[00:47:31] recommended

[00:47:32] and I

[00:47:33] actually told

[00:47:33] him

[00:47:34] I said

[00:47:34] I'm not

[00:47:34] listening to

[00:47:35] your movie

[00:47:35] recommendations

[00:47:36] anymore

[00:47:36] because that

[00:47:37] was dog

[00:47:38] shit

[00:47:38] that was

[00:47:39] so bad

[00:47:40] my old

[00:47:41] ass

[00:47:41] that was

[00:47:41] that movie

[00:47:43] it was

[00:47:44] not good

[00:47:45] it's not

[00:47:46] good at

[00:47:46] all

[00:47:46] it didn't

[00:47:46] sound good

[00:47:48] the premise

[00:47:49] isn't

[00:47:50] awful

[00:47:51] it was

[00:47:52] described

[00:47:52] to me

[00:47:52] as like

[00:47:53] it's a

[00:47:53] very

[00:47:53] indie

[00:47:54] rific

[00:47:54] film

[00:47:55] and I

[00:47:56] I hate

[00:47:57] indie

[00:47:58] movies

[00:47:58] generally

[00:47:59] speaking

[00:47:59] sometimes

[00:48:00] they're

[00:48:00] good

[00:48:00] but

[00:48:00] generally

[00:48:01] speaking

[00:48:02] they're

[00:48:02] overly

[00:48:02] artsy

[00:48:03] and

[00:48:03] directors

[00:48:03] do

[00:48:03] things

[00:48:04] just

[00:48:04] for

[00:48:04] the

[00:48:04] sake

[00:48:04] of

[00:48:05] the

[00:48:05] art

[00:48:05] that

[00:48:05] make

[00:48:05] no

[00:48:05] sense

[00:48:06] in the

[00:48:06] story

[00:48:06] and

[00:48:07] make

[00:48:07] the

[00:48:07] movies

[00:48:08] boring

[00:48:08] and pedantic

[00:48:09] and

[00:48:09] the

[00:48:09] casting

[00:48:10] is

[00:48:28] and

[00:48:29] I

[00:48:30] suspect

[00:48:30] my

[00:48:31] girlfriend

[00:48:32] loves

[00:48:32] Moana

[00:48:32] it's

[00:48:33] one

[00:48:33] of

[00:48:33] her

[00:48:33] favorite

[00:48:33] movies

[00:48:34] and

[00:48:34] I'm

[00:48:34] just

[00:48:34] like

[00:48:34] really

[00:48:34] Moana

[00:48:36] out of

[00:48:37] all that

[00:48:38] Disney

[00:48:38] has to offer

[00:48:39] Moana

[00:48:39] is

[00:48:40] up there

[00:48:41] for you

[00:48:41] huh

[00:48:43] that's

[00:48:44] interesting

[00:48:45] that's

[00:48:45] interesting

[00:48:49] everybody's

[00:48:50] different

[00:48:51] and then

[00:48:52] she's

[00:48:52] like

[00:48:53] leave me

[00:48:53] the fuck

[00:48:54] alone

[00:48:54] Moana

[00:48:54] is up

[00:48:55] there

[00:48:55] for me

[00:48:55] leave

[00:48:55] me

[00:48:55] alone

[00:48:56] I

[00:48:57] didn't

[00:48:57] push

[00:48:58] it

[00:48:58] that

[00:48:58] far

[00:48:58] because

[00:48:59] I

[00:48:59] actually

[00:49:00] I'd be

[00:49:01] hard pressed

[00:49:01] to say

[00:49:02] actually

[00:49:02] no

[00:49:02] that's

[00:49:03] not

[00:49:03] true

[00:49:03] I know

[00:49:03] my

[00:49:03] favorite

[00:49:04] Disney

[00:49:04] movie

[00:49:04] it's

[00:49:05] Aladdin

[00:49:05] it's

[00:49:06] definitely

[00:49:06] Aladdin

[00:49:06] live

[00:49:09] action

[00:49:09] or

[00:49:09] original

[00:49:12] of course

[00:49:12] the original

[00:49:13] the live

[00:49:14] action

[00:49:14] does not

[00:49:15] deserve

[00:49:15] to have

[00:49:15] the title

[00:49:16] of

[00:49:16] Disney

[00:49:16] attached

[00:49:17] to it

[00:49:17] in any

[00:49:17] way

[00:49:20] it's

[00:49:21] so bad

[00:49:21] Haley

[00:49:22] it's

[00:49:22] so

[00:49:22] bad

[00:49:23] it

[00:49:24] wasn't

[00:49:24] terrible

[00:49:25] it

[00:49:25] was

[00:49:26] terrible

[00:49:26] it

[00:49:27] was

[00:49:27] not

[00:49:27] to

[00:49:27] me

[00:49:28] it

[00:49:29] was

[00:49:29] so

[00:49:29] bad

[00:49:30] I

[00:49:31] just

[00:49:31] don't

[00:49:31] think

[00:49:31] that

[00:49:32] song

[00:49:32] needed

[00:49:32] to

[00:49:33] be

[00:49:33] added

[00:49:35] yeah

[00:49:35] no

[00:49:36] and

[00:49:36] that's

[00:49:36] one

[00:49:36] of

[00:49:36] the

[00:49:37] reasons

[00:49:37] it's

[00:49:37] terrible

[00:49:40] it

[00:49:41] just

[00:49:41] it

[00:49:41] doesn't

[00:49:42] make

[00:49:42] sense

[00:49:44] at all

[00:49:45] it

[00:49:45] just

[00:49:47] it

[00:49:47] doesn't

[00:49:47] work

[00:49:48] and the

[00:49:48] other

[00:49:48] thing

[00:49:49] this

[00:49:49] will

[00:49:50] surprise

[00:49:50] people

[00:49:50] the

[00:49:51] other

[00:49:51] reason

[00:49:52] that

[00:49:52] movie

[00:49:52] is

[00:50:34] would

[00:50:35] well

[00:50:36] I

[00:50:36] remember

[00:50:37] when

[00:50:37] they

[00:50:37] announced

[00:50:38] his

[00:50:38] casting

[00:50:38] there

[00:50:38] was

[00:50:39] a

[00:50:39] friend

[00:50:39] of

[00:50:39] a

[00:50:40] friend

[00:50:40] who

[00:50:41] let

[00:50:41] me

[00:50:41] in

[00:50:42] on

[00:50:42] the

[00:50:42] fact

[00:50:42] that

[00:50:42] in

[00:50:43] certain

[00:50:43] corners

[00:50:43] of

[00:50:43] the

[00:50:43] internet

[00:50:44] he

[00:50:44] was

[00:50:44] known

[00:50:44] as

[00:50:44] hot

[00:50:45] Jafar

[00:50:45] because

[00:50:46] he's

[00:50:46] probably

[00:50:47] 20

[00:50:47] years

[00:50:47] too

[00:50:48] young

[00:50:49] to

[00:50:49] be

[00:50:49] playing

[00:50:50] that

[00:50:50] role

[00:50:52] that's

[00:50:52] not

[00:50:52] what

[00:50:53] you

[00:50:53] want

[00:50:53] to

[00:50:53] think

[00:51:05] he's

[00:51:06] got

[00:51:06] some

[00:51:06] ambition

[00:51:06] probably

[00:51:07] has

[00:51:07] a

[00:51:07] house

[00:51:08] you

[00:51:08] know

[00:51:08] I'm

[00:51:09] kind

[00:51:09] of

[00:51:09] rooting

[00:51:09] for

[00:51:09] this

[00:51:10] guy

[00:51:14] and

[00:51:15] then

[00:51:16] this

[00:51:16] homeless

[00:51:16] kid

[00:51:16] with

[00:51:17] a

[00:51:17] slave

[00:51:17] is

[00:51:17] just

[00:51:18] like

[00:51:18] fuck

[00:51:18] you

[00:51:19] no

[00:51:22] I'm

[00:51:22] talking

[00:51:23] about

[00:51:24] the

[00:51:26] genie

[00:51:26] oh

[00:51:27] the

[00:51:27] genie

[00:51:29] oh

[00:51:30] no

[00:51:30] a

[00:51:30] blue

[00:51:30] is

[00:51:30] just

[00:51:31] an

[00:51:31] illegally

[00:51:31] owned

[00:51:31] pet

[00:51:32] because

[00:51:33] pretty

[00:51:33] sure

[00:51:33] there's

[00:51:34] a

[00:51:34] sydney

[00:51:34] ordinance

[00:51:34] against

[00:51:35] owning

[00:51:35] a

[00:51:35] monkey

[00:51:35] in

[00:51:36] Agrabah

[00:51:36] just

[00:51:37] saying

[00:51:39] that's

[00:51:40] all

[00:51:40] I'm

[00:51:40] saying

[00:51:41] Aladdin

[00:51:42] is

[00:51:44] in

[00:51:44] the

[00:51:44] live

[00:51:44] action

[00:51:45] movie

[00:51:45] and

[00:51:45] he's

[00:51:45] a

[00:51:47] rapscallion

[00:51:47] with

[00:51:47] a

[00:51:47] heart

[00:51:48] of

[00:51:48] gold

[00:51:48] in

[00:51:48] the

[00:51:49] original

[00:51:49] it

[00:51:49] didn't

[00:51:49] work

[00:51:50] it

[00:51:50] didn't

[00:51:50] work

[00:51:51] it

[00:51:51] didn't

[00:51:51] work

[00:51:52] cgi

[00:51:52] did

[00:51:53] not

[00:51:53] work

[00:51:53] on

[00:51:53] a

[00:51:53] woo

[00:51:55] no

[00:51:55] and

[00:51:56] like

[00:51:57] okay

[00:51:57] and

[00:51:57] that's

[00:51:57] a

[00:51:58] weird

[00:51:58] thing

[00:51:58] for

[00:51:58] me

[00:51:58] because

[00:51:59] I'm

[00:51:59] I'm

[00:51:59] very

[00:52:00] anti

[00:52:00] animal

[00:52:00] cruelty

[00:52:01] but

[00:52:01] at

[00:52:01] the

[00:52:01] same

[00:52:01] time

[00:52:02] it's

[00:52:02] like

[00:52:03] you

[00:52:04] can

[00:52:04] get

[00:52:04] a

[00:52:04] trained

[00:52:04] capuchin

[00:52:05] like

[00:52:05] they

[00:52:05] exist

[00:52:06] they

[00:52:06] use

[00:52:06] them

[00:52:06] in

[00:52:06] Hollywood

[00:52:06] and

[00:52:07] they're

[00:52:07] not

[00:52:07] mistreated

[00:52:08] like

[00:52:09] do we

[00:52:10] really

[00:52:10] need

[00:52:10] the

[00:52:11] CG

[00:52:11] monkey

[00:52:12] it

[00:52:12] it

[00:52:12] just

[00:52:13] I

[00:52:13] don't

[00:52:14] know

[00:52:14] maybe

[00:52:14] it's

[00:52:14] a

[00:52:14] long

[00:52:15] day

[00:52:15] that'd

[00:52:15] be

[00:52:15] a

[00:52:15] long

[00:52:16] day

[00:52:18] yeah

[00:52:18] exactly

[00:52:19] they

[00:52:19] did

[00:52:19] a

[00:52:20] boo

[00:52:20] dirty

[00:52:20] they

[00:52:20] did

[00:52:21] a

[00:52:30] boo

[00:52:30] out

[00:52:30] the

[00:52:30] notice

[00:52:31] and

[00:52:31] was

[00:52:31] like

[00:52:31] man

[00:52:32] I

[00:52:32] was

[00:52:32] really

[00:52:33] I

[00:52:33] could

[00:52:33] have

[00:52:33] bought

[00:52:33] a

[00:52:33] house

[00:52:34] with

[00:52:34] that

[00:52:34] money

[00:52:34] I

[00:52:34] could

[00:52:34] have

[00:52:34] bought

[00:52:34] a

[00:52:35] little

[00:52:35] monkey

[00:52:35] house

[00:52:37] you

[00:52:37] know

[00:52:37] been

[00:52:37] set up

[00:52:38] for

[00:53:03] which

[00:53:03] is

[00:53:03] why

[00:53:03] I

[00:53:03] have

[00:53:03] no

[00:53:03] confidence

[00:53:04] I

[00:53:05] hated

[00:53:06] it

[00:53:07] I

[00:53:07] posted

[00:53:08] it

[00:53:08] to

[00:53:08] my

[00:53:08] story

[00:53:08] so

[00:53:08] that

[00:53:09] I

[00:53:10] was

[00:53:10] like

[00:53:10] no

[00:53:10] no

[00:53:11] no

[00:53:13] yeah

[00:53:13] no

[00:53:13] I

[00:53:14] mean

[00:53:14] we

[00:53:14] knew

[00:53:15] we

[00:53:16] you

[00:53:16] me

[00:53:17] and

[00:53:17] virus

[00:53:17] went

[00:53:17] over

[00:53:17] that

[00:53:18] a

[00:53:18] year

[00:53:18] ago

[00:53:18] we

[00:53:19] know

[00:53:19] it's

[00:53:19] gonna

[00:53:20] be

[00:53:20] it's

[00:53:20] gonna

[00:53:21] be

[00:53:21] trash

[00:53:21] it's

[00:53:23] there's

[00:53:23] no

[00:53:24] way

[00:53:24] it's

[00:53:24] not

[00:53:24] gonna

[00:53:24] be

[00:53:25] trash

[00:53:25] you

[00:53:25] know

[00:53:25] I

[00:53:26] sent

[00:53:27] it

[00:53:27] to

[00:53:27] virus

[00:53:28] and

[00:53:28] he's

[00:53:28] like

[00:53:29] Jake

[00:53:30] lost

[00:53:30] the

[00:53:30] bet

[00:53:32] yes

[00:53:32] Jake

[00:53:32] did

[00:53:32] lose

[00:53:33] the

[00:53:33] bet

[00:53:33] he

[00:53:34] did

[00:53:34] because

[00:53:34] I

[00:53:34] said

[00:53:34] it

[00:53:35] was

[00:53:35] gonna

[00:53:35] be

[00:53:35] released

[00:53:35] in

[00:53:35] 2024

[00:53:36] but

[00:53:36] that's

[00:53:37] because

[00:53:37] Disney

[00:53:37] said

[00:53:38] it

[00:53:38] was

[00:53:38] gonna

[00:53:38] be

[00:53:38] released

[00:53:39] in

[00:53:39] 2024

[00:53:40] and

[00:53:40] then

[00:53:40] Rachel

[00:53:41] Zegler

[00:53:42] talked

[00:53:43] and

[00:53:43] everyone

[00:53:43] realized

[00:53:44] oh my

[00:53:44] god

[00:53:45] everyone

[00:53:45] hates

[00:53:45] this

[00:53:46] movie

[00:53:48] which

[00:53:48] everyone's

[00:53:48] going to

[00:53:49] hate

[00:53:49] this

[00:53:49] movie

[00:53:49] so

[00:53:50] at

[00:53:50] least

[00:53:50] stick

[00:53:50] to

[00:53:50] your

[00:53:51] guns

[00:53:51] Disney

[00:53:51] like

[00:53:52] put

[00:53:52] out

[00:53:52] the

[00:53:52] shit

[00:53:52] put

[00:53:55] it

[00:53:55] out

[00:53:55] put

[00:53:56] your

[00:53:56] money

[00:53:56] where

[00:54:02] to

[00:54:02] do

[00:54:02] it

[00:54:02] with

[00:54:02] Moana

[00:54:03] too

[00:54:06] oh

[00:54:07] hey

[00:54:07] no

[00:54:09] no

[00:54:11] like

[00:54:11] no

[00:54:12] like

[00:54:14] faith

[00:54:15] in that

[00:54:15] movie

[00:54:16] see

[00:54:17] here's

[00:54:17] the

[00:54:17] here's

[00:54:18] the

[00:54:18] here's

[00:54:18] the

[00:54:18] irony

[00:54:18] or

[00:54:19] not

[00:54:19] the

[00:54:19] irony

[00:54:19] well

[00:54:20] I

[00:54:20] guess

[00:54:20] it's

[00:54:20] irony

[00:54:21] the

[00:54:21] movie's

[00:54:22] gonna

[00:54:22] do

[00:54:22] super

[00:54:23] well

[00:54:23] it's

[00:54:24] gonna

[00:54:24] do

[00:54:24] really

[00:54:24] well

[00:54:24] at

[00:54:25] the

[00:54:25] box

[00:54:25] office

[00:54:25] because

[00:54:26] people

[00:54:27] are

[00:54:28] going

[00:54:28] to

[00:54:28] take

[00:54:28] their

[00:54:28] families

[00:54:31] it's

[00:54:32] not

[00:54:33] but

[00:54:33] I

[00:54:40] like

[00:54:41] I

[00:54:43] want

[00:54:43] to

[00:54:43] go

[00:54:43] watch

[00:54:43] it

[00:54:43] again

[00:54:45] like

[00:54:46] I've

[00:54:46] already

[00:54:46] watched

[00:54:46] it

[00:54:47] as

[00:54:47] a

[00:54:47] fan

[00:54:48] and

[00:54:49] just

[00:54:49] be able

[00:54:49] to

[00:54:49] turn

[00:54:49] my

[00:54:50] brain

[00:54:50] off

[00:54:50] and

[00:54:50] enjoy

[00:54:51] the

[00:54:51] spectacle

[00:54:52] because

[00:54:53] now

[00:54:53] I

[00:54:53] know

[00:54:53] it's

[00:54:53] a

[00:54:53] good

[00:54:53] movie

[00:54:55] so

[00:54:56] I

[00:54:56] don't

[00:54:56] have

[00:54:56] to

[00:54:58] nitpick

[00:54:58] and

[00:55:11] that's

[00:55:11] going

[00:55:11] to

[00:55:11] be

[00:55:11] fun

[00:55:13] you

[00:55:16] should

[00:55:16] totally

[00:55:18] tell

[00:55:18] people

[00:55:18] in the

[00:55:19] theater

[00:55:19] to

[00:55:20] just

[00:55:20] do

[00:55:20] a

[00:55:20] quick

[00:55:20] video

[00:55:21] telling

[00:55:21] them

[00:55:21] to

[00:55:22] check

[00:55:22] out

[00:55:22] the

[00:55:22] part

[00:55:23] of

[00:55:23] your

[00:55:23] Broadway

[00:55:23] world

[00:55:23] podcast

[00:55:24] you

[00:55:24] should

[00:55:24] totally

[00:55:25] shamelessly

[00:55:25] do

[00:55:25] that

[00:55:26] you

[00:55:30] should

[00:55:31] just

[00:55:32] tell

[00:55:32] everyone

[00:55:33] that

[00:55:33] they're

[00:55:33] just

[00:55:34] sitting

[00:55:35] in

[00:55:35] the

[00:55:35] theater

[00:55:35] yeah

[00:55:36] just

[00:55:42] see

[00:55:46] Wicked

[00:55:57] see

[00:55:58] that's

[00:55:58] the

[00:55:58] thing

[00:55:58] I

[00:55:58] don't

[00:55:59] think

[00:55:59] that

[00:55:59] I

[00:55:59] think

[00:55:59] a

[00:55:59] lot

[00:55:59] of

[00:56:00] people

[00:56:00] would

[00:56:00] do

[00:56:00] it

[00:56:01] love

[00:56:01] one

[00:56:02] or

[00:56:02] two

[00:56:02] people

[00:56:03] that'll

[00:56:03] be

[00:56:03] like

[00:56:03] no

[00:56:03] we

[00:56:04] don't

[00:56:04] want

[00:56:04] to

[00:56:04] but

[00:56:04] it's

[00:56:04] like

[00:56:04] cool

[00:56:05] don't

[00:56:05] participate

[00:56:06] be

[00:56:07] lame

[00:56:10] but

[00:56:11] we're

[00:56:11] all

[00:56:12] in

[00:56:21] that's

[00:56:22] just

[00:56:22] me

[00:56:24] kind

[00:56:25] of

[00:56:25] want

[00:56:25] to

[00:56:25] bring

[00:56:25] a

[00:56:25] squirt

[00:56:25] bottle

[00:56:26] or

[00:56:26] a

[00:56:27] super

[00:56:27] soaker

[00:56:27] to

[00:56:28] Moana

[00:56:28] too

[00:56:28] though

[00:56:30] just

[00:56:30] well

[00:56:31] to

[00:56:32] help

[00:56:32] people

[00:56:33] you know

[00:56:33] get the

[00:56:34] full

[00:56:34] experience

[00:56:37] like

[00:56:37] when

[00:56:37] the

[00:56:37] water

[00:56:38] comes

[00:56:38] at

[00:56:38] the

[00:56:38] screen

[00:56:38] just

[00:56:39] like

[00:56:39] shower

[00:56:40] the

[00:56:40] audience

[00:56:42] you know

[00:56:42] so

[00:56:43] they get

[00:56:43] the

[00:56:43] full

[00:57:02] yeah

[00:57:02] but

[00:57:02] everybody

[00:57:03] so

[00:57:03] sensitive

[00:57:03] now

[00:57:04] probably

[00:57:04] get

[00:57:04] arrested

[00:57:04] for

[00:57:05] squirting

[00:57:06] people

[00:57:06] with

[00:57:06] water

[00:57:11] what

[00:57:12] when

[00:57:12] the

[00:57:13] part

[00:57:13] where

[00:57:13] she

[00:57:14] melts

[00:57:14] you know

[00:57:15] squirting

[00:57:15] people

[00:57:15] with

[00:57:15] the

[00:57:16] water

[00:57:16] no

[00:57:16] not

[00:57:16] in

[00:57:17] Wicked

[00:57:17] in

[00:57:17] Moana

[00:57:18] oh

[00:57:19] my

[00:57:20] god

[00:57:20] yeah

[00:57:20] different

[00:57:21] movie

[00:57:21] different

[00:57:21] movie

[00:57:22] okay

[00:57:25] yeah

[00:57:25] I know

[00:57:26] that would

[00:57:26] just be

[00:57:26] weird

[00:57:26] in

[00:57:27] Wicked

[00:57:27] that would

[00:57:27] just

[00:57:27] be

[00:57:27] like

[00:57:27] why

[00:57:28] is

[00:57:28] this

[00:57:30] I'm

[00:57:30] just

[00:57:31] trying

[00:57:31] to find

[00:57:31] the

[00:57:31] Wicked

[00:57:31] Witch

[00:57:32] pay

[00:57:32] me

[00:57:32] no

[00:57:32] mind

[00:57:33] nothing

[00:57:34] to

[00:57:34] see

[00:57:34] here

[00:57:35] unless

[00:57:35] you

[00:57:35] start

[00:57:36] melting

[00:57:41] in

[00:57:41] which

[00:57:42] case

[00:57:42] emergency

[00:57:42] exits

[00:57:43] are

[00:57:43] located

[00:57:43] at

[00:57:43] the

[00:57:43] front

[00:57:44] of

[00:57:44] the

[00:57:44] theater

[00:57:50] but

[00:57:50] yeah

[00:57:50] that

[00:57:50] being

[00:57:51] said

[00:57:51] I

[00:57:52] do

[00:57:54] believe

[00:57:55] and I'm

[00:57:55] waiting for

[00:57:56] somebody

[00:57:56] to

[00:57:56] legitimately

[00:57:56] prove

[00:57:57] me

[00:57:57] wrong

[00:57:57] but

[00:57:58] the

[00:57:59] first

[00:57:59] Moana

[00:57:59] is an

[00:58:00] extremely

[00:58:00] overrated

[00:58:01] movie

[00:58:02] and I

[00:58:03] think the

[00:58:03] second

[00:58:03] one

[00:58:03] will

[00:58:04] be

[00:58:04] even

[00:58:04] more

[00:58:04] so

[00:58:06] like

[00:58:07] there's

[00:58:07] no way

[00:58:07] it's

[00:58:07] going

[00:58:08] to be

[00:58:08] as

[00:58:08] good

[00:58:08] as

[00:58:09] Moana

[00:58:09] one

[00:58:10] was

[00:58:12] yeah

[00:58:12] because

[00:58:13] they

[00:58:13] just

[00:58:13] keep

[00:58:13] going

[00:58:13] back

[00:58:13] to

[00:58:14] what

[00:58:14] more

[00:58:14] do

[00:58:14] we

[00:58:14] have

[00:58:15] to

[00:58:15] say

[00:58:17] and

[00:58:17] they're

[00:58:17] probably

[00:58:18] actually

[00:58:18] the way

[00:58:19] Disney's

[00:58:19] been

[00:58:19] going

[00:58:19] they're

[00:58:19] probably

[00:58:20] going to

[00:58:20] retcon

[00:58:20] it

[00:58:21] and

[00:58:21] find

[00:58:21] out

[00:58:21] that

[00:58:23] Moana's

[00:58:23] power

[00:58:24] over

[00:58:24] the

[00:58:24] ocean

[00:58:25] is

[00:58:25] actually

[00:58:25] something

[00:58:25] that

[00:58:25] you

[00:58:26] can

[00:58:26] learn

[00:58:26] and

[00:58:26] train

[00:58:27] and

[00:58:27] so

[00:58:28] she

[00:58:28] actually

[00:58:35] you

[00:58:35] always

[00:58:35] you

[00:58:35] all

[00:58:36] have

[00:58:36] the

[00:58:36] magic

[00:58:36] in

[00:58:37] you

[00:58:38] the

[00:58:39] only

[00:58:39] thing

[00:58:39] that

[00:58:40] bothers me

[00:58:40] so far

[00:58:41] about

[00:58:42] Moana 2

[00:58:43] is

[00:58:43] why are you

[00:58:44] bringing

[00:58:44] four other

[00:58:46] villagers

[00:58:47] with you

[00:58:48] I don't

[00:58:49] know

[00:58:49] I don't

[00:58:50] know why

[00:58:50] they had

[00:58:51] Alan Tudyk

[00:58:51] cast as

[00:58:52] a chicken

[00:58:52] that seems

[00:58:53] like overcasting

[00:58:54] to me

[00:58:59] yeah

[00:59:01] Alan Tudyk

[00:59:02] a very

[00:59:03] talented

[00:59:04] Alan Tudyk

[00:59:06] plays the

[00:59:07] chicken

[00:59:11] and I'm

[00:59:12] fact checking

[00:59:12] myself just

[00:59:13] to make

[00:59:13] sure I'm

[00:59:14] not

[00:59:15] I know

[00:59:16] he's in

[00:59:16] the movie

[00:59:17] but I'm

[00:59:18] pretty sure

[00:59:18] he's the

[00:59:19] chicken

[00:59:20] he's

[00:59:21] hey

[00:59:22] oh is

[00:59:23] that the

[00:59:23] pig

[00:59:24] no

[00:59:24] hey

[00:59:25] hey

[00:59:25] he's

[00:59:25] the

[00:59:25] chicken

[00:59:25] yeah

[00:59:26] okay

[00:59:27] okay

[00:59:28] I'm

[00:59:28] double

[00:59:29] checking

[00:59:31] who was

[00:59:32] the

[00:59:32] pig

[00:59:35] okay

[00:59:35] where's

[00:59:36] the

[00:59:36] cast

[00:59:36] there

[00:59:36] we

[00:59:36] go

[00:59:36] see

[00:59:41] that's

[00:59:41] funny

[00:59:41] I think

[00:59:41] they have

[00:59:42] I think

[00:59:45] they have

[00:59:45] the wrong

[00:59:45] photo for

[00:59:46] the actress

[00:59:46] that played

[00:59:47] Moana

[00:59:47] I could

[00:59:50] be wrong

[00:59:51] though

[00:59:53] yeah

[00:59:54] Alan Tudyk

[00:59:55] hey

[00:59:55] hey

[00:59:55] voice

[00:59:56] so they

[00:59:59] hired

[00:59:59] and paid

[01:00:00] Alan Tudyk

[01:00:01] to make

[01:00:02] chicken

[01:00:02] noises

[01:00:03] they paid

[01:00:07] him to

[01:00:07] squawk

[01:00:08] essentially

[01:00:08] because all

[01:00:09] he does

[01:00:09] is squawk

[01:00:10] they paid

[01:00:11] him to

[01:00:11] squawk

[01:00:12] yes

[01:00:12] and

[01:00:13] I don't

[01:00:14] know

[01:00:14] maybe it's

[01:00:15] just me

[01:00:17] I kind of

[01:00:18] think that

[01:00:18] if you

[01:00:20] need chicken

[01:00:21] sounds

[01:00:21] I'm pretty

[01:00:21] sure you

[01:00:22] can get

[01:00:22] just about

[01:00:23] anyone

[01:00:24] or like

[01:00:25] I don't

[01:00:25] know

[01:00:25] maybe

[01:00:28] an up

[01:00:28] and coming

[01:00:29] actor

[01:00:29] that needs

[01:00:30] a credit

[01:00:31] and will

[01:00:31] work for

[01:00:32] basically free

[01:00:33] but Disney

[01:00:34] has more

[01:00:34] money than

[01:00:35] cents

[01:00:35] so

[01:00:38] because I

[01:00:39] mean

[01:00:39] is it

[01:00:40] really

[01:00:40] that

[01:00:40] difficult

[01:00:40] to

[01:00:41] squawk

[01:00:41] like

[01:00:41] a

[01:00:41] chicken

[01:00:41] when

[01:00:42] you're

[01:00:42] being

[01:00:42] paid

[01:00:43] I don't

[01:00:44] think

[01:00:44] so

[01:00:44] and

[01:00:50] I'm

[01:00:51] given to

[01:00:51] understand

[01:00:51] that

[01:00:51] Alan Tudyk

[01:00:52] will be

[01:00:52] reprising

[01:00:53] his role

[01:00:54] as the

[01:00:55] chicken

[01:00:57] in Moana

[01:00:58] too

[01:01:02] so

[01:01:03] we have

[01:01:04] that to

[01:01:04] look forward

[01:01:05] to

[01:01:10] yep

[01:01:11] your expression

[01:01:12] is

[01:01:13] exactly my

[01:01:13] face

[01:01:14] but I'll

[01:01:14] tell you

[01:01:14] what

[01:01:15] everyone

[01:01:15] if you

[01:01:16] want

[01:01:16] something

[01:01:16] to look

[01:01:17] forward

[01:01:17] to

[01:01:17] there's

[01:01:18] another

[01:01:18] podcast

[01:01:19] on the

[01:01:19] network

[01:01:20] especially

[01:01:20] if you're

[01:01:21] into

[01:01:21] entrepreneurship

[01:01:22] and making

[01:01:22] money

[01:01:23] because

[01:01:23] who doesn't

[01:01:24] love

[01:01:24] making

[01:01:24] money

[01:01:24] Disney

[01:01:25] doesn't

[01:01:25] obviously

[01:01:26] but

[01:01:27] that's

[01:01:27] just

[01:01:27] I think

[01:01:28] it's

[01:01:28] because

[01:01:28] they have

[01:01:28] too much

[01:01:29] of it

[01:01:29] anyway

[01:01:29] they're

[01:01:30] you know

[01:01:31] we've

[01:01:31] reached a

[01:01:31] point where

[01:01:32] ticket sales

[01:01:33] actually don't

[01:01:34] matter

[01:01:34] they can

[01:01:35] have a

[01:01:35] couple

[01:01:35] movies

[01:01:36] bomb

[01:01:36] and they're

[01:01:37] still okay

[01:01:37] but our

[01:01:38] friend

[01:01:38] Saul

[01:01:39] Terasona

[01:01:39] and the

[01:01:40] startup

[01:01:40] for

[01:01:41] podcast

[01:01:42] bring you

[01:01:43] interviews

[01:01:43] with various

[01:01:44] entrepreneurs

[01:01:45] in the

[01:01:45] tech

[01:01:45] space

[01:01:46] largely

[01:01:46] but

[01:01:46] anywhere

[01:01:47] there's

[01:01:48] entrepreneurship

[01:01:49] Saul

[01:01:49] will be

[01:01:50] there

[01:01:50] to talk

[01:01:51] to them

[01:01:51] and help

[01:01:52] you

[01:01:52] prospective

[01:01:52] entrepreneurs

[01:01:53] figure out

[01:01:54] the pitfalls

[01:01:55] so that

[01:01:56] your dreams

[01:01:57] can become

[01:01:57] reality

[01:01:57] a little bit

[01:01:58] easier

[01:01:58] so check

[01:01:59] that out

[01:02:00] on the

[01:02:01] Pantheon

[01:02:01] podcast

[01:02:01] channel

[01:02:02] that's

[01:02:02] the

[01:02:02] startup

[01:02:03] core

[01:02:03] podcast

[01:02:04] with

[01:02:04] Saul

[01:02:04] Terasona

[01:02:05] check

[01:02:05] that out

[01:02:06] watch

[01:02:06] that

[01:02:06] instead

[01:02:07] of

[01:02:07] Moana

[01:02:07] too

[01:02:07] because

[01:02:08] frankly

[01:02:08] it's

[01:02:09] probably

[01:02:09] going to

[01:02:09] be

[01:02:09] better

[01:02:15] yeah

[01:02:16] I

[01:02:17] just

[01:02:18] still

[01:02:19] trying

[01:02:19] to

[01:02:19] get

[01:02:19] over

[01:02:21] Alan

[01:02:21] Tudyk

[01:02:21] as a

[01:02:22] chicken

[01:02:23] yeah

[01:02:25] yeah

[01:02:25] that one

[01:02:26] hurt

[01:02:26] that one

[01:02:26] hurt

[01:02:27] a little

[01:02:27] bit

[01:02:27] yeah

[01:02:28] when I

[01:02:28] when I

[01:02:29] when I

[01:02:30] found

[01:02:30] that out

[01:02:30] I was

[01:02:31] just

[01:02:45] that

[01:02:46] wounded

[01:02:46] me

[01:02:48] yeah

[01:02:48] couldn't

[01:02:52] agree

[01:02:52] more

[01:02:54] Alan

[01:02:54] Tudyk

[01:02:54] is a

[01:02:55] fucking

[01:02:55] chicken

[01:02:57] like they

[01:02:58] couldn't

[01:02:58] have even

[01:02:58] given him

[01:02:58] a villager

[01:02:59] to play

[01:02:59] it's just

[01:03:00] the chicken

[01:03:01] who paid

[01:03:02] Alan

[01:03:02] Tudyk

[01:03:03] to go

[01:03:03] into a

[01:03:04] voice booth

[01:03:04] and record

[01:03:06] chicken

[01:03:06] sounds

[01:03:12] Disney's

[01:03:32] as the

[01:03:32] chicken

[01:03:37] so

[01:03:38] you have

[01:03:38] that

[01:03:39] in the

[01:03:39] ocean

[01:03:39] to look

[01:03:39] forward

[01:03:40] to

[01:03:40] and of

[01:03:40] course

[01:03:41] more of

[01:03:41] Dwayne

[01:03:42] Johnson

[01:03:42] which I

[01:03:44] I don't

[01:03:44] know

[01:03:44] I have

[01:03:45] Dwayne

[01:03:46] Johnson's

[01:03:46] a mixed

[01:03:46] bag

[01:03:46] as an

[01:03:47] actor

[01:03:47] for me

[01:03:47] because

[01:03:47] I like

[01:03:48] him

[01:03:48] I think

[01:03:49] he's

[01:03:49] good

[01:03:49] I think

[01:03:49] he's

[01:03:50] funny

[01:03:50] but at

[01:03:50] the same

[01:03:50] time

[01:03:51] over the

[01:03:51] years

[01:03:51] it's

[01:03:52] becoming

[01:03:56] how do

[01:03:57] I word

[01:03:57] this

[01:03:57] because

[01:03:58] he's

[01:03:59] he's

[01:03:59] done

[01:04:00] a

[01:04:00] fantastic

[01:04:00] he and

[01:04:01] his team

[01:04:01] have done

[01:04:02] a fantastic

[01:04:02] job of

[01:04:03] engineering

[01:04:03] his career

[01:04:05] to the

[01:04:06] point where

[01:04:06] it seems

[01:04:10] like he's

[01:04:11] reached the

[01:04:11] point where

[01:04:12] they're

[01:04:12] writing movies

[01:04:13] for him

[01:04:14] as opposed

[01:04:15] to like

[01:04:15] I don't

[01:04:15] think he

[01:04:16] auditions

[01:04:16] anymore

[01:04:17] I truly

[01:04:17] don't

[01:04:18] I think

[01:04:19] that

[01:04:19] his

[01:04:20] production

[01:04:20] company

[01:04:21] gets

[01:04:21] involved

[01:04:22] and

[01:04:22] sort of

[01:04:23] in exchange

[01:04:23] for him

[01:04:24] taking

[01:04:24] the role

[01:04:25] his

[01:04:26] production

[01:04:26] company

[01:04:26] gets involved

[01:04:27] and it

[01:04:27] becomes

[01:04:28] very

[01:04:28] Dwayne

[01:04:29] Johnson

[01:04:29] centric

[01:04:30] and

[01:04:31] I mean

[01:04:32] fair enough

[01:04:33] he deserves

[01:04:33] it

[01:04:34] he's

[01:04:34] worked

[01:04:34] as

[01:04:34] ass

[01:04:35] off

[01:04:35] over

[01:04:35] the

[01:04:36] years

[01:04:36] but

[01:04:36] at the

[01:04:36] same

[01:04:37] time

[01:04:37] it

[01:04:38] affects

[01:04:38] movies

[01:04:38] like

[01:04:39] Red

[01:04:39] 1

[01:04:40] I'm

[01:04:40] not

[01:04:40] saying

[01:04:41] it's

[01:04:41] a terrible

[01:04:41] movie

[01:04:42] but

[01:04:42] it's

[01:04:43] very

[01:04:44] rock

[01:04:45] focused

[01:04:45] it

[01:04:46] just

[01:04:47] is

[01:04:48] and

[01:04:49] there

[01:04:49] are

[01:04:49] certain

[01:04:50] parts

[01:04:50] of the

[01:04:50] movie

[01:04:50] where

[01:04:50] I

[01:04:50] think

[01:04:51] it

[01:04:51] suffers

[01:04:51] for

[01:04:51] it

[01:04:52] not

[01:04:52] enough

[01:04:52] to

[01:04:53] ruin

[01:04:53] it

[01:04:53] but

[01:04:56] yeah

[01:04:57] so

[01:04:57] it's

[01:04:58] a

[01:04:58] mixed

[01:04:58] bag

[01:04:58] and

[01:04:59] I

[01:04:59] very

[01:04:59] much

[01:04:59] believe

[01:05:00] that

[01:05:00] Moana

[01:05:00] 2

[01:05:00] will

[01:05:01] still

[01:05:01] be

[01:05:01] very

[01:05:01] Maui

[01:05:02] focused

[01:05:02] I

[01:05:02] think

[01:05:02] the

[01:05:02] whole

[01:05:03] reason

[01:05:03] it's

[01:05:03] being

[01:05:03] made

[01:05:03] is

[01:05:04] because

[01:05:04] Dwayne

[01:05:04] Johnson

[01:05:05] was

[01:05:05] like

[01:05:06] yeah

[01:05:06] I

[01:05:06] totally

[01:05:07] want to

[01:05:07] play

[01:05:07] Maui

[01:05:07] and

[01:05:08] while

[01:05:08] we're

[01:05:08] doing

[01:05:09] it

[01:05:09] while

[01:05:09] we're

[01:05:09] making

[01:05:09] the

[01:05:09] sequel

[01:05:10] let's

[01:05:10] also

[01:05:10] do

[01:05:10] the

[01:05:11] live

[01:05:11] action

[01:05:11] version

[01:05:11] of the

[01:05:12] first

[01:05:12] one

[01:05:14] because

[01:05:14] Dwayne

[01:05:15] Johnson

[01:05:15] wants

[01:05:15] it

[01:05:16] I

[01:05:22] just

[01:05:22] why

[01:05:25] do

[01:05:25] we

[01:05:25] keep

[01:05:25] giving

[01:05:25] Dwayne

[01:05:26] Johnson

[01:05:26] jobs

[01:05:27] well

[01:05:27] to be

[01:05:28] fair

[01:05:28] he

[01:05:28] brings

[01:05:28] he

[01:05:29] brings

[01:05:29] eyes

[01:05:29] he

[01:05:29] brings

[01:05:30] money

[01:05:30] so

[01:05:30] I

[01:05:30] like

[01:05:30] to a

[01:05:31] point

[01:05:31] I

[01:05:31] get

[01:05:31] it

[01:05:31] and

[01:05:32] I

[01:05:50] Jack

[01:05:51] Black

[01:05:51] is

[01:05:51] also

[01:05:51] a

[01:05:51] gem

[01:05:52] in

[01:05:52] that

[01:05:52] movie

[01:05:52] that's

[01:05:53] that's

[01:05:54] that's

[01:05:55] funny

[01:05:55] they're

[01:05:55] legitimately

[01:05:55] funny

[01:05:56] movies

[01:05:56] they're

[01:05:57] not

[01:05:57] works

[01:05:58] of

[01:05:58] cinematic

[01:05:58] masterpiece

[01:05:59] which

[01:05:59] I

[01:05:59] would

[01:06:00] honestly

[01:06:00] like

[01:06:22] which

[01:06:22] hey

[01:06:23] if

[01:06:23] it's

[01:06:23] not

[01:06:24] broke

[01:06:24] don't

[01:06:24] fix

[01:06:24] it

[01:06:24] it's

[01:06:25] not

[01:06:25] like

[01:06:25] he

[01:06:25] needs

[01:06:26] the

[01:06:26] money

[01:06:26] he

[01:06:27] doesn't

[01:06:27] need

[01:06:27] the

[01:06:27] accolades

[01:06:28] either

[01:06:28] because

[01:06:28] he's

[01:06:29] already

[01:06:29] the

[01:06:29] rock

[01:06:32] you

[01:06:57] but

[01:06:57] if

[01:06:58] anybody

[01:06:58] can

[01:06:58] do

[01:06:59] it

[01:07:00] I

[01:07:00] think

[01:07:00] you

[01:07:00] can

[01:07:00] learn

[01:07:00] to

[01:07:01] do

[01:07:01] it

[01:07:04] just

[01:07:04] yeah

[01:07:05] just

[01:07:05] see

[01:07:05] Dwayne

[01:07:05] Johnson

[01:07:06] in this

[01:07:06] little

[01:07:06] indie

[01:07:06] film

[01:07:07] about

[01:07:08] a

[01:07:08] guy

[01:07:08] who

[01:07:08] owns

[01:07:09] a

[01:07:09] bakery

[01:07:09] like

[01:07:10] would

[01:07:10] have

[01:07:10] been

[01:07:10] a

[01:07:10] lifetime

[01:07:11] movie

[01:07:11] that's

[01:07:11] what

[01:07:11] I

[01:07:32] oh

[01:07:32] god

[01:07:33] there's

[01:07:33] there's

[01:07:33] this

[01:07:33] one

[01:07:34] okay

[01:07:34] there's

[01:07:34] a

[01:07:35] there's

[01:07:35] a

[01:07:35] lifetime

[01:07:35] movie

[01:07:36] this

[01:07:36] is

[01:07:36] many

[01:07:37] many

[01:07:37] years

[01:07:37] ago

[01:07:37] so

[01:07:37] I

[01:07:37] doubt

[01:07:38] you've

[01:07:38] heard

[01:07:38] of

[01:07:38] it

[01:07:39] but

[01:07:40] there

[01:07:40] was

[01:07:40] a

[01:07:40] lifetime

[01:07:40] movie

[01:07:41] that

[01:07:41] I

[01:08:03] she's

[01:08:04] the

[01:08:04] the

[01:08:05] character

[01:08:05] sitting

[01:08:05] on a

[01:08:06] couch

[01:08:06] right

[01:08:06] and

[01:08:06] the

[01:08:07] camera

[01:08:07] is

[01:08:07] facing

[01:08:07] the

[01:08:08] back

[01:08:08] of

[01:08:08] her

[01:08:08] head

[01:08:08] the

[01:08:09] line

[01:08:09] is

[01:08:09] delivered

[01:08:09] thusly

[01:08:11] there's

[01:08:12] a

[01:08:12] couch

[01:08:13] back

[01:08:13] here

[01:08:13] because

[01:08:13] her

[01:08:13] hand

[01:08:14] placement

[01:08:14] is

[01:08:14] important

[01:08:16] I

[01:08:18] have

[01:08:19] syphilis

[01:08:24] that

[01:08:37] is

[01:08:37] it

[01:08:38] was

[01:08:38] so

[01:08:38] bad

[01:08:39] it's

[01:08:39] not

[01:08:39] even

[01:08:40] good

[01:08:40] it's

[01:08:40] so

[01:08:41] bad

[01:08:41] it's

[01:08:41] just

[01:08:41] bad

[01:08:42] and

[01:08:42] he

[01:08:42] has

[01:08:43] he's

[01:08:44] like

[01:08:45] there's

[01:08:46] this

[01:08:46] one

[01:08:46] line

[01:08:46] he's

[01:08:47] like

[01:08:47] I

[01:08:47] got

[01:08:47] a

[01:08:47] shit

[01:08:48] and

[01:08:48] he's

[01:08:48] like

[01:08:48] but

[01:08:49] he

[01:08:49] said

[01:08:50] it

[01:08:50] so

[01:08:50] horribly

[01:08:52] and

[01:08:52] I'm

[01:08:53] like

[01:08:53] what

[01:08:53] the

[01:08:53] fuck

[01:08:56] there

[01:08:57] is

[01:08:57] a

[01:08:58] tiktoker

[01:08:58] right

[01:08:59] there

[01:09:00] are

[01:09:00] two

[01:09:01] of

[01:09:01] them

[01:09:01] they're

[01:09:01] a

[01:09:01] couple

[01:09:02] and

[01:09:03] they're

[01:09:04] so

[01:09:04] funny

[01:09:05] what

[01:09:06] they've

[01:09:06] done

[01:09:06] is

[01:09:07] they've

[01:09:08] essentially

[01:09:08] done

[01:09:09] these

[01:09:09] parody

[01:09:09] skits

[01:09:10] where

[01:09:10] they're

[01:09:10] parading

[01:09:11] it's

[01:09:12] basically

[01:09:12] like

[01:09:12] Hallmark

[01:09:12] movies

[01:09:13] abridged

[01:09:13] but

[01:09:14] he

[01:09:14] nails

[01:09:15] it

[01:09:15] he

[01:09:16] fucking

[01:09:16] does

[01:09:17] it

[01:09:17] so

[01:09:18] much

[01:09:19] it's

[01:09:19] wonderful

[01:09:20] it's

[01:09:21] delightfully

[01:09:21] funny

[01:09:21] because

[01:09:22] it's

[01:09:22] true

[01:09:22] like

[01:09:23] but

[01:09:24] I will

[01:09:25] give

[01:09:25] credit

[01:09:25] where

[01:09:25] credit

[01:09:25] to

[01:09:26] Hallmark

[01:09:26] has

[01:09:26] never

[01:09:27] claimed

[01:09:27] or

[01:09:27] pretended

[01:09:28] to be

[01:09:28] anything

[01:09:29] other

[01:09:29] than

[01:09:29] it

[01:09:29] is

[01:09:30] they

[01:09:30] know

[01:09:30] what

[01:09:31] their

[01:09:31] game

[01:09:31] is

[01:09:31] they

[01:09:31] know

[01:09:31] what

[01:09:32] they

[01:09:32] are

[01:09:32] and

[01:09:32] they

[01:09:32] stick

[01:09:32] to

[01:09:33] it

[01:09:33] I