Down The Middle Episode 68: Leaked Wrestlemania 40 Card

[00:00:00] Hello, everyone. Welcome to Down The Middle. How's everybody doing tonight? As you may have noticed, Brian, I know I asked the question and then went into the bit, my bad. You may notice Brian is not with us tonight. He is unfortunately having

[00:00:27] what you got that a medical he's at a medical facility. But we spoke to him he's he's okay. He's just in a medical facility. So I hope that he'll be able to join us next time. But

[00:00:39] get well soon, my friend.

[00:00:42] And let us promise, how are you doing? Hakeem. How's it going?

[00:00:49] I'm very good. Excellent.

[00:00:51] Yeah, I hope he is better soon. I had to happen to me myself too, but hopefully he recovers pretty quickly.

[00:00:59] Yeah, if they catch it early enough, I know it's generally not as serious, but it just depends on

[00:01:05] how long it's been going on. So,

[00:01:07] Exactly. Yep. But this podcast is brought to you by another podcast on the RTA Podcast Network Toontalk 2.0. We will talk to you more about them later. But now we're going to dig in.

[00:01:19] Because I'm very if you've seen it, if you're a wrestling fan and you're on social media, you probably seen the allegedly leaked WrestleMania 40 card. But I'm going to be honest, I think this is legit because this is pretty much what we've been calling.

[00:01:36] I've already thing is wrote. Yeah, I don't think it's like a fake leak or

[00:01:41] There's really and I'm not even going to go so far as to say it's fake per se.

[00:01:48] This also might be a draft. I feel like this could also just be a draft like these were ideas because a lot of these I think are a given. There's a couple. There's a couple that

[00:01:58] I don't think they'll do. And if they do, I think it's probably a bad idea. But I've been wrong before. But what do you say? We just dig into this, shall we?

[00:02:06] Yep. So on night one, they're saying that Conor McGregor is going to host WrestleMania. Now, here's the thing. If you recall

[00:02:16] Again, Conor McGregor's a genius. And so is WWE.

[00:02:21] Like this was almost what six, maybe not quite six months ago, but it was months ago, Conor McGregor was, you know, talking smack about pro wrestling and some and some WWE people had something to say about that.

[00:02:36] And I didn't, at the time, I kind of thought I was even thinking I'm like, Oh, is Connor going to be doing something with WWE? Like, I don't think

[00:02:47] I don't think he's going to be a full time wrestler or anything, but he can talk.

[00:02:53] Yeah, I thought something like he would start something, but then it seemed like he's died down. So the, I don't know. It was a one off.

[00:03:01] It's so close to WrestleMania, though. I'm wondering how they could

[00:03:05] I don't know how they can organically get unless they just surprise everybody and say, Hey, look, Conor McGregor's the host.

[00:03:14] Which I think they did it with the new day one year, but Oh, no, they advertised that. Never mind. They said new day was going to host. So, I don't know.

[00:03:22] But I think it'd be interesting because Conor McGregor knows how to hype up a crowd.

[00:03:27] It's going to be like him. It's going to be interesting, though, for it to be like, Yeah, you know all that smack I was talking, by the way, here's two nights of wrestling.

[00:03:36] He entertained.

[00:03:39] Okay, and then what do we got next? Oh, geez, it closed.

[00:03:48] Okay, so allegedly, and I don't, I can't speak to the order of these because I also wouldn't put them in this order.

[00:03:58] Yeah, but according to this, they've got Rhea Ripley defending her women's world championship against Becky Lynch, which we know that's happening at WrestleMania.

[00:04:09] It's already been established because Becky won the women's world rumble.

[00:04:13] No, I'm sorry. Becky did not win the women's world rumble. She won the elimination chamber.

[00:04:19] Mission chamber. Yeah.

[00:04:20] The minute I said that I was like, wait, no, that feels wrong.

[00:04:24] Which, by the way, front of fact, about elimination chamber, we actually were 100% right in our prediction.

[00:04:34] Oh, yeah, everything happened to you.

[00:04:36] Except there was one match that I guess wasn't announced on the pre-show.

[00:04:39] Oh, yeah, it was the tag team match.

[00:04:44] Yeah, but I looked at the result and I'm like, yeah, we totally would have called that.

[00:04:48] Yeah, there's no other way that was gonna go.

[00:04:51] So yeah, like we said, it was very much a placeholder pay-per-view.

[00:04:56] It was like, Oh, shit, we've got this in front of WrestleMania.

[00:05:00] So we just have to put some stuff together because we can't change the status quo going into WrestleMania.

[00:05:06] Mm-hmm.

[00:05:07] But now here's the thing and we're gonna do, we're gonna do a WrestleMania preview card when we get a

[00:05:12] little bit, I mean, I'm sorry, a WrestleMania preview episode when we get a little bit closer.

[00:05:16] But for now, you know, there's a lot of polls going around on social media.

[00:05:21] Everybody assumes that Rio Ripley is going to lose this match and I'll be honest, I don't think so.

[00:05:26] No, I really don't think she's going to lose at all.

[00:05:29] No, I mean, why don't you know from Judgment Day is going to lose?

[00:05:34] No, I think it seems like they're gearing up for some really big things with Judgment Day.

[00:05:41] Like I'm with you, I don't think they're gonna lose. In fact, I think they might be picking up

[00:05:47] some gold. I think Dom, or not Dom, they haven't really come clear, but we're gonna get to that.

[00:05:53] But yeah, I don't believe that Ria's gonna lose that belt. She's the most popular women's

[00:05:59] wrestler on the planet right now.

[00:06:02] Yeah, pretty much. And did you know she's only 27?

[00:06:05] Yeah, I found out like a few, like a few weeks ago, I didn't realize that.

[00:06:12] It's just because this is not a comment on her at all. It's just where she's at.

[00:06:19] You would just figure she'd be older. Yeah, is that right?

[00:06:23] But she got, she started getting momentum when she was only 24.

[00:06:29] And she improved so much compared to that time from NXT to now.

[00:06:34] Yeah, and it's not like she was bad then. And I'm looking at this. And the way she works,

[00:06:40] dude, she can work until she's in her 40s. Oh yeah. Easy, because she works so smart.

[00:06:52] Like, yeah, she's going to be a force. And the only way her career could go south

[00:07:00] is some sort of freak accident injury or WWE going back to the creative team of 2012.

[00:07:08] That's exactly what I was thinking. Like her against Nia. I was like, hopefully Nia doesn't

[00:07:13] injure her or something like that.

[00:07:15] [LAUGH]

[00:07:19] Bro, Nia injures herself, man.

[00:07:24] [LAUGH]

[00:07:27] But yeah, they've got that as the opening match. And I think that would be a colossal mistake,

[00:07:32] but I've been wrong before. Maybe they want to start it with a bang, you know?

[00:07:36] But in the next match, we've got the Judgment Day and Awesome Truth, which this would be

[00:07:45] the tag champs. Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. You're right. Judgment Day versus Awesome Truth

[00:07:52] for the tag team championships. As far as Judgment Day goes, technically, the tag champs are

[00:07:59] it's creased and thin, right? Yeah, I think, yeah, I don't know if they were doing the free bird rule.

[00:08:11] But yeah, I'm not gonna lie because I happened to watch that episode of Raw where Miz ran in

[00:08:15] after they started smacking the shit out of our truth.

[00:08:19] I'm not gonna lie. I liked it. Oh, I did too completely. I think there were some people that

[00:08:25] were groaning. But like, guys, the Miz is this was gonna be an accident. I just realized the Miz is

[00:08:32] awesome. Like he's extremely good. Did you I forget what pay per view it was, but he had that

[00:08:39] match with Gunther? Oh, yeah, that was a few months. Yeah, it wasn't that long ago.

[00:08:46] And Brian and I were talking about it. We literally said we were like, that was the wrestling match

[00:08:51] of the night. It was. And it was. I say this a lot. People take the phrase simple as a bad thing.

[00:09:02] It's not that match was simple and Gunther every Gunther matches simple pro wrestling.

[00:09:09] And it's usually at least one of the best matches of the night, if not the best. And I wish more people

[00:09:16] and the Miz gets it. The Miz has gotten it for a very long time now. Didn't always get it.

[00:09:22] That's fair. I remember I remember the chick magnet days.

[00:09:25] You know, with the. I really like to him against like Dolph. When he did like the

[00:09:32] into the continent. That was like one of the best matches to think he did. Or that's the

[00:09:36] year he did. It's really is. Yeah. And that was unfortunately during a time where it was like,

[00:09:41] you could go down and tear the house down. And they were just like, well, yeah, but we didn't

[00:09:45] write it. So yeah, we see we see this thing that will make money and that people love, but we're

[00:09:52] not going to feature it. And we're going to bury both of you on Monday. So.

[00:09:58] Yeah, that was unfortunate, but it was really good. I still can't believe they released

[00:10:03] Dolph Ziggler. I can in a way because they weren't doing nothing much with him. Like he's so good,

[00:10:12] but you know, I guess what I mean by that is I can't believe they weren't doing anything with them.

[00:10:17] Okay, yeah, yeah. Because it reached a point where honestly, I think him leaving is the only way he

[00:10:24] can still have a wrestling career, even even if he even if he comes back though, because they had

[00:10:29] buried him so bad. It's kind of like what happened to Cody, honestly. Like if Cody hadn't left,

[00:10:36] we would not have the Cody roads we have today. That's true. And the thing of it is, is I think

[00:10:41] Triple H understands that and I don't think Vince ever did. Because I think as WWE finds it's new,

[00:10:51] which it's doing a really good job of finding its new identity, really, and how it operates as a

[00:10:56] company under under TKO. I think you're going to see more, especially like lower card WWE talent,

[00:11:06] lower to mid card talent, take excursions or go elsewhere temporarily. Because they're already,

[00:11:13] they're already kind of cozying up the TNA. You know, it's pretty obvious they've got at least a

[00:11:18] friendly ish relationship. Yeah, I mean, you're not going to see like Randy Orton in AEW or anything

[00:11:24] like that. But I think you might see, you know, you might see somebody like, you might see somebody

[00:11:31] like Tazawa on another on another show, something like that, you know, you might see like,

[00:11:38] maybe even go so far as to have like Alpha Academy show up for like a one night thing.

[00:11:46] Yeah, I can see something like that, which they used to do with evolve to back in the day.

[00:11:50] So yeah, but I think I think you'll see more of that. And I think that's a great thing,

[00:11:55] because everybody wins, you know, you can get some buzz for a smaller company like TNA is never

[00:12:01] going to eclipse WWE. It's not going to happen. Yeah. But when WWE needs a surprise. Hey, TNA,

[00:12:11] what's, what's Jordan Grace doing on Saturday? Nothing cool. How would you like her to come

[00:12:17] to the rumble with your belt and steal the show? Yeah, sound good. Okay, cool.

[00:12:22] Very much. Everybody wins. And honestly, Jordan, I know this for a fact, Jordan Grace appearing

[00:12:29] on the Royal Rumble brought eyes to TNA. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Elevate not only her, but also the

[00:12:36] company, because they want to see like where she came from. Yeah. And now Jordan Grace has

[00:12:42] at least convo, which you know, like, you can tell that was Triple H that had Triple H

[00:12:48] written all over it. Yeah. Because it's, it's obvious Triple H likes the muscle mommies.

[00:12:54] He had pretty much China, China, Jordan Grace. There's, there's been a couple on the same. Yeah.

[00:13:02] Yeah. It's the same, same thing, same thing, which I'm not hating on it. And here's the funny,

[00:13:06] here's the funny thing. I don't particularly like Jordan Grace.

[00:13:10] But it was cool to see. Yeah, I liked it her before, a little bit more beforehand, like now,

[00:13:19] not so much. But I did enjoy it when I saw her in the rumble. Yeah, it was great.

[00:13:24] So yeah, I think we'll see more of that. How, how cool would it be though, honestly, to see

[00:13:32] somebody I'm trying to think of where it would be a good fit, but to have Dominic Mysterio peer. Oh,

[00:13:37] yeah. Elsewhere, like, in Japan, that'd be fucking wild. See, actually to just see. And again,

[00:13:48] this will never happen. But for those who know the history, if you had somebody like, and he's too

[00:13:53] hot right now, we never have, but to see somebody like Damien Priest do like a one off and ring of

[00:13:57] honor. Which won't, it can't happen now because Tony compounds ring of honor. So yeah, but it would be

[00:14:03] cool. It would be very cool to see and stuff like that. I'd like to see Finn do a one off and

[00:14:07] new Japan that would be fun. That'd be really good. Yeah, so much history there. Like him and AJ too,

[00:14:14] like when when WWE did that one off show in Japan, that was so cool for some of the guys to get

[00:14:19] to go back. Oh, yeah. That was a few years ago, but yeah, also like Nakamura.

[00:14:25] Yeah, I have again, Nakamura, a chance to go back. That was pretty cool. Speaking of Nakamura,

[00:14:30] though, I guess it's official that Ocada is in AEW. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's.

[00:14:42] I kind of know. I'm shocked by it and not so much. I'm not surprised at all, but unfortunately,

[00:14:51] it's just not maybe, maybe Ocada can make it work. If there's anyone on planet Earth,

[00:14:58] Ocada is one of the people that could possibly make that work. It's just. I mean, actually,

[00:15:04] Jim Cornette was talking about it. He said, you know what? I honestly wouldn't be

[00:15:07] surprised either way, because he's not, you know, he's not young, but he's not old either. But he's

[00:15:12] been wrestling like a maniac for a decade. Yeah, you know, and he's not the same. Yeah. Well,

[00:15:18] he's not the same as you was watching now. Yeah, exactly. And AEW is a place where he can,

[00:15:25] this is Jim Cornette talking not me, but AEW is a place where, and he's got enough pull, where he

[00:15:30] can honestly take it easy for a year or two. Absolutely. You know, he can, he wrestles one

[00:15:36] night a week. Yeah, and still makes money. And a ton of money, and he's not going to.

[00:15:44] Nobody's going to take liberties with Ocada in AEW, because they all worship him. So this might

[00:15:52] be a recuperation. And maybe he'll resign. I don't know what his deal was. I imagine,

[00:15:57] I can't imagine he signed an extremely long deal. But maybe he did. Who knows?

[00:16:02] Maybe like three years. I'd say Max, like maybe maybe two. Like if I were him, I probably wouldn't

[00:16:10] have signed more than two, just be like, yeah, take a couple years, you know. Still, he'll still do

[00:16:16] some big matches. Like don't get me wrong. He'll he'll mainline pay per views. I think you'll see

[00:16:21] him do an AEW championship run too. But maybe win that title. And then maybe talk to Triple H and

[00:16:30] see see what's going on to, you know, cap out the career as maybe a WWE guy. We'll see.

[00:16:39] I think Kazuchiko Ocada is too good to not at least be in WWE for a certain length of time.

[00:16:45] Absolutely. I think you would he would have more eyes and notoriety if he goes to WWE, too. You know,

[00:16:53] people may know him in WWE, but he's still not well known, you know, like worldwide, well known.

[00:17:00] This is another thing that I get a lot of flack for when I say that which normally with

[00:17:05] a W fans hardcore AW fans, but it's like, I don't mean this disparagingly, but it's true.

[00:17:10] Yes, there are hardcore wrestling fans in the WWE audience, but they're not the majority.

[00:17:18] There are people who believe it or not did not know who Jade Cargill was until she was shown on

[00:17:26] a WWE camera. And then they probably Google her because I mean, look at her.

[00:17:32] Because I did that when she appeared on AW television. I'm like, I don't know who she is.

[00:17:37] Yeah, it's like, I don't know who that is, but I'm gonna find out because like, look at that.

[00:17:42] That's insane. Like just freak of an athlete. And actually, I still praise AW for her debut.

[00:17:48] I thought that was genius. Does it bring it bring her in with Shaq involved? Like,

[00:17:54] come on. Everybody was shitting on it. I'm like, did you watch that match?

[00:18:00] I mean, I'm gonna give credit for credits too. Shaq went through two tables.

[00:18:05] Yeah, I'm just saying. And he didn't have to do that.

[00:18:09] Snoop Dogg didn't have to frog splash or savor some alien.

[00:18:18] Remember watching that live and I was like Snoop Dogg just saved us an alien. Yeah.

[00:18:23] That was brilliant. I still seeing Snoop's praises for that. But speaking of Jade Cargill,

[00:18:33] but who do you think is going to win the tag titles?

[00:18:35] That's the issue. Being that like, rear is up first and then more judgment days, the second match.

[00:18:43] That's why the order seems a little bit odd. But I think they're going to win.

[00:18:48] Judgment day is going to win. Yeah. I think I think judgment day is going to clean house.

[00:18:53] I think they're going to retain everything and maybe win another title.

[00:18:57] I just wouldn't have put it back to back. You know, like, yeah, I agree with judgment day.

[00:19:05] I don't think it will. What you know, WWE, they'll change stuff the day of sometimes.

[00:19:13] I'm honestly shocked if this is accurate. I'm shocked. See him punk isn't hosting WrestleMania.

[00:19:18] Yes. That seems like that seems like a shoe in, you know, but maybe they did get Conor McGregor,

[00:19:26] but he should certainly be on commentary for part of it at least.

[00:19:30] But so allegedly the next match, and this is the one I actually disagree with, and it's only

[00:19:37] because it's WrestleMania. I don't disagree with the match. I disagree with it being on WrestleMania.

[00:19:42] They're saying it's going to be Jade Kargill versus Nia Jax.

[00:19:46] Hi, Jax. Yeah.

[00:19:47] That match. That match should happen. Yeah. Not yet.

[00:19:54] Not at WrestleMania this year. You know what I mean? Because Jade, like in WWE gets it,

[00:20:04] Jade was put out there way too early in the capacity that she was put out there in AEW.

[00:20:11] She even admits it. She's like I like wasn't quite ready for that, which I still commend.

[00:20:17] I'm a Jade Kargill fan. I think what she was able to accomplish is a testament to her athletic

[00:20:22] ability and her determination and, you know, everything, but she wasn't ready.

[00:20:28] Yeah, like she was green, but you can still see like every time she was out there, how she improved,

[00:20:34] you know, yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true. There was actually a little bit on the green side.

[00:20:39] There was one match where she was in there with somebody that was new. I think it was Anna J.

[00:20:43] And they had a match together. That was the only step back and it was because they were both

[00:20:51] newer. But you got to go credit for credits, dude. Jade took it. I don't know if Jade took it.

[00:20:56] I think she probably is. She's like green like money. I'm like, you know what? The rock would

[00:21:03] be proud of that one. Yeah, I don't. I just think it's too early. I think it'll be a good match, but

[00:21:13] I don't think it'll be a good match. No, I'm sorry. Let me rephrase this. No, I think it will be a good match.

[00:21:19] like I.

[00:21:20] year from now. Yeah. But maybe I mean, Jade's been working. You know, she's been down at the

[00:21:27] performance center and we all know they can do. They can do a lot down at the performance center.

[00:21:32] You know, but. And also the thing is, I'm gonna break her leg. Yeah, that's the thing. Like I

[00:21:43] won't worry if I'm with neither her injure her in the way mostly and plus it just seems so random.

[00:21:51] Like they had that little tease at the Royal Rumble, right? But yeah, I think give them another

[00:21:56] moment at next year's Rumble, because we we know they're both going to be in there.

[00:22:00] You know, then maybe you can build something to WrestleMania. So this is the this is one of

[00:22:05] the reasons I think this might be phony or changed. But yeah. But yeah. Now that being said, I think

[00:22:14] Jade would lose that match. But who knows? I actually think if it happens, Jay's gonna win.

[00:22:20] You know what I changed my answer because if if this match happens, not to cut you off,

[00:22:27] but if this match happens, it means they're doing something with Jade.

[00:22:30] Yeah, that's all. Yeah. Yeah. They want to showcase her improvement over AEW. You know, so

[00:22:36] which that might be why they're doing it though, honestly. It's like, hey, you had this girl for

[00:22:43] how long was she in AEW two or three years? Yeah, have to be. Yeah. So he can triple H is

[00:22:48] basically just saying like, hey, we had her for less than a year, six months, seven months, maybe.

[00:22:54] Yeah. And look what we did with her, you know. Yeah. So I think is for that reason,

[00:22:59] mainly if it's still going to happen. If if it if it does happen, the Holy crap,

[00:23:06] that's that's so awesome for Jade. Not even been there a year and gets a WrestleMania match.

[00:23:11] Yeah. That's that'd be awesome for her.

[00:23:14] And has has AEW done their big business thing yet? No, it's not it's later. Yeah, because we

[00:23:25] have Mercedes Monet is going to AEW. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. It's it's it's a given just Tony

[00:23:32] Collins, big announcement about a big announcement. And he's saying like, we're we're gonna do big

[00:23:37] business. I'm like, Oh, so, okay. Mercedes Monet is going to AEW. Okay. Yeah. Nice, nice attempt

[00:23:45] there, Tony. But then so this next one will be pretty good. Again, if this is real, so

[00:23:55] Logan Paul is apparently going to defend his United States championship against Kevin Owens,

[00:24:01] AJ Styles, LA Knight, Bobby Lashley and Kerry and Cross in a ladder match.

[00:24:08] It's going to be good, but I think it's kind of too many. This is going to be a it will be a

[00:24:16] train wreck in the best way possible. I we will see some crazy, crazy stuff in this match.

[00:24:25] It's almost like they combine like three feuds together in this. I think I show up kind of.

[00:24:33] Hey, they really did though. I mean, like let's look at this because Logan Paul and Kevin Owens

[00:24:38] are doing their thing right now. LA Knight and AJ AJ. And well, yeah, I guess Bobby and Kerry

[00:24:48] and Cross are having a little, little thing. They were to a point AJ Styles too. I know at one

[00:24:54] point, I don't know if they're doing, I can't remember, I should say because I've been watching,

[00:24:58] I just my memory fails me whenever I when this is on my brain just goes, nope. Same here. Yeah,

[00:25:05] I was like, I know this, but I can't. Yeah, that's live TV pal.

[00:25:10] But yeah, so that will be Logan Paul is somebody I think might lose that title. But again, I don't,

[00:25:22] I don't see the benefit of putting it necessarily on any of these guys is to who and like, maybe

[00:25:28] maybe LA Knight. I think that would be the best choice or honestly only choice.

[00:25:36] You can put it on Owens and it would be nice for Owens fans, but I don't like, I don't think

[00:25:42] it does anything really for the story. No. So I see that or maybe honestly, if I were booking this,

[00:25:49] I'd have Logan keep it. Yeah, put me if you got to keep it, give it to LA.

[00:25:55] Yeah, but they've got to be careful now because if Logan beats everyone for a mid card title,

[00:26:01] then all of a sudden, which might be what they're doing. Yeah. Well, I guess Logan already had a

[00:26:08] match with Roman, didn't he? Yeah, they did it. Saudi. It was a wild. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah,

[00:26:16] that's why I don't remember which. Okay. So I'm going to get, I'm going to get this. Speaking of Roman,

[00:26:23] down the middle fans, I can't believe I'm going to say this,

[00:26:30] but I actually listened to who did I listen to? Shit. I was listening to somebody. Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:26:41] Yes. I remember now it was O'Shea Jackson, Jr. talking with Chris Van Vliet.

[00:26:45] Chris Van Vliet, yeah, I saw that a little bit of it. He said something. I changed my mind.

[00:26:51] I think Roman needs to retain that title. Oh, why? I can't remember exactly what O'Shea said,

[00:27:00] which okay, first of all, WWE actually know, AEW hire this man. He can fix your company.

[00:27:13] But he basically, ah, now I cannot remember it all what he said, but it was so damn smart.

[00:27:18] And after he said it, I was like, damn it. He's right. Cody can win finishing the story for Cody

[00:27:25] is winning the belt. He does not have to win the belt at WrestleMania. He doesn't have to win

[00:27:31] the belt at this WrestleMania. He just has to win the belt. Roman is on track to beat

[00:27:40] Hulk Hogan's title reign. Yeah. It's also the 40 year anniversary.

[00:27:46] So I'll be honest, in terms of WWE as an entity,

[00:27:56] I now honestly believe Roman's reign is more important than Cody's story. And I never thought

[00:28:08] I would say that, but the way he presented it, you know, he said, if they do this right,

[00:28:15] this will be known as the Roman era. You had Hulkmania, you had Hulkmania, you'll now have the

[00:28:20] Rome, you'll now have Roman's reign. And I'm just like, damn,

[00:28:25] it is true, though. I know it's going to get booed, you know, it will, but think about this

[00:28:34] people think think about. And I never thought because I want Cody win the belt. I do. I do.

[00:28:41] But I think Roman needs to retain. And honestly, I think Roman needs to beat the rock for that title,

[00:28:49] defending that title. He's got to do both those things to cement his legacy.

[00:28:53] And frankly, he deserves it. Yeah, because especially following Cena,

[00:29:01] because now there's no denying. And I know it was shoved down our throats for a minute,

[00:29:04] and he wasn't ready at the time. But Roman, Roman was the guy after I'm not even going to say he

[00:29:10] was the next Cina because it's way different. But Roman, for example, Roman, I mean, Roman got

[00:29:18] jacked, hardcore jacked to fill that spot. He obviously worked on not only his in-ring stuff,

[00:29:27] but he obviously worked on his character. Yeah, it's no denying. Yeah. And I actually like,

[00:29:35] I agree with O'Shea on this one too. He's like, you know, people are complaining about Roman

[00:29:40] barely defending the belt. It's like, well, first of all, that's not true. But secondly,

[00:29:44] it reminds me of old school wrestling people got so used to the Cina work ethic era.

[00:29:51] Yeah, that they forgot seeing the champion is not supposed to be twice a week. We just got so

[00:29:59] used to seeing Cina wrestle on every show. And that worked for Cina. But Cina was a babyface.

[00:30:06] Even though half the crowd hated him, he was always a babyface. Yeah, still is, I guess.

[00:30:12] I mean, he is. Roman is that old school heel champ that I love.

[00:30:22] He's the guy who you in character who you hate, but you hate him because he is that damn good.

[00:30:32] And you just want somebody, you just want somebody to beat him, but nobody can. And sure,

[00:30:38] sometimes he cheats, but that's, that just keeps it going. Because you're never sure he won only

[00:30:45] because somebody cheated. Because he's also legitimately won clean. Yeah, that was going to say,

[00:30:51] yeah, it's me mashing see this one, you know, if I didn't achieve. So I've never thought I would

[00:31:02] say that, but O'Shea Jackson, Jr. converted me. But I do. And I would start thinking about,

[00:31:10] I'm like, you know what, he has, he, if they're going to, if they want to do this right and cement

[00:31:15] that legacy, not just for Roman, but for the company for this era of wrestling, to turn it into

[00:31:20] the next not hulkomania, but like that next era of wrestling. Roman has to be the rock.

[00:31:31] And he has to become the official because everybody, and it's funny, people are saying it without

[00:31:36] even thinking about what they're saying, they're setting up the story themselves.

[00:31:39] Well, yeah, Roman says he's the head of the table, but we all know the rock is still is, no. Yeah,

[00:31:47] yeah, we all know, but yeah, it's gonna come to that. I'm, I'm thoroughly convinced.

[00:31:55] But they're riding the way. I kind of wish Coli, I mean, Coli was going against like Steph more,

[00:32:01] like that, though. And like, I wish the stores were separated. I really hate that they

[00:32:07] have to have like Roman in the story now. Yeah, I kind of, I kind of, I kind of agree. Now,

[00:32:14] and looking back in hindsight, it's 2020, I wish they'd pumped the breaks a little bit

[00:32:19] when Cody first came back, because they started out really good. You know, they started out

[00:32:24] with the feud with Seth. And that was cool. Then the torn peck storyline. And I mean, Cody's,

[00:32:30] Cody's just like his dad was when his dad was his age. I mean, he's going to, you couldn't turn,

[00:32:39] well, you could turn Cody heel if you wanted to. But why would you? Because he's, he's writing

[00:32:44] that way of Cody could do it. I completely lost. Oh, okay. So Cody, Cody is going to be

[00:32:53] popular no matter what he does. And if he loses again, especially if solo or especially if the

[00:32:57] rock cheats of the rock, see, here's how they can do it, honestly, and Cody can save face.

[00:33:02] The rock cheats to help Roman win. And then Roman can be like, I had that. And the rock can just be

[00:33:08] like, no, you didn't know you didn't, because you're not really the head of the table.

[00:33:14] And I want you, I don't want Cody. I don't even want the bell. I want you.

[00:33:19] Yeah. And that's, that's, that's how you set that up. So Cody saves face because once again,

[00:33:28] somebody cheated him out of the wind and Cody could even go down this.

[00:33:31] They could really do the hard time storyline with Cody. Because they kind of were doing it.

[00:33:39] That's what everybody suspected they were doing. But they really didn't. They kind of just got

[00:33:43] them back into the rumble. Cody could also be the first person to win three real rumbles in a row.

[00:33:48] I don't know how they would do it, but I think we need to see Roman retain. And I think we need

[00:33:55] to see Roman versus the rock. Yeah, that's honestly the match. I really want more than Roman and Cody.

[00:34:03] Oh, Shay also said he was like, he said, and I do it sometimes too. You're thinking like a wrestling

[00:34:11] fan. WWE is thinking as an entertainment company. Yeah, it's a business, but everybody knows the rock.

[00:34:20] Everybody knows are people who haven't watched wrestling ever or in a few years or in several

[00:34:26] years know who the rock is. Yeah. You know, there are people that haven't watched wrestling since

[00:34:30] the attitude era, but they know who the rock is and they say, Oh, the rocks wrestling at Wrestle

[00:34:35] Mania. I'm not tuning into that. Yeah, I'll watch that. There's some people who only watched the rock

[00:34:42] movies and really didn't watch this wrestling either. Yeah, there are there are there are kids

[00:34:50] out there that only know the rock is a movie star. They only know the wing. Yeah, pretty much.

[00:34:58] But who? Yeah. Let's see. After that tangent. Next, we've got.

[00:35:06] I can see this being on WrestleMania, but this should honestly be the opener. We've got the

[00:35:14] Kabuki Warriors defending their titles against Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez. Oh, versus also

[00:35:19] batana chance and Kate and Carter and the way. Oh, God, the way's back. Yeah.

[00:35:26] Candice Candice, Lorraine, indie Hartwell, I think. Isn't it? I had no idea who that was.

[00:35:34] That was a bit they were doing an NXT. That's the way. It was a dude. It was cringe. It was

[00:35:39] so cringe. It was bad. I have never seen that. I was wondering if it was that I hope this is fake.

[00:35:47] No, the way was this whole weird, like super weird thing where like Johnny Gargano and Candice

[00:35:52] Lorraine, like adopted indie Hartwell. Oh, Oh, okay. I remember that part. That was very.

[00:35:58] That was that was. Well, after that, that was rough to watch. And I Vince, that was Johnny

[00:36:05] No Face's idea. But. And another guy was in the two guys name. He has like tattoos on his arms

[00:36:14] only a wrestler in WWE that has tattoos on her. I'm sure you're gonna have to narrow that.

[00:36:18] Yeah. No, it's that Sir Loomis was involved, but there was another there was another guy.

[00:36:24] And they were like, listen, you can't date indie. And I'm like, it's time I checked.

[00:36:29] One here is an adult. Yeah. What is this weird? Like.

[00:36:37] It's creepy. Like, uh, there's just, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't, I mean, I would assume the Kabuki

[00:36:46] Warriors would retain, but they've been jogging around these women's tag titles for they've been

[00:36:51] passing around like herpes. So I just, yeah, pretty much. I could see who wins. I could see live,

[00:36:59] I could see live and Raquel winning, but they're making this a four way. So that tells me that

[00:37:03] champs are going to keep them. Oh, see, now I know this is crap. Oh, never mind. This is a tag match.

[00:37:11] So apparently the last match of night one is going to be Roman Reigns in the rock versus Cody

[00:37:17] and Seth in a tag match. So they're pulling a new Japan. Yeah.

[00:37:30] So I mean, honestly, yeah, that's, that's literally like a, uh, that's a play out of new Japan's book.

[00:37:36] It's like, we want to show all the champions, but we can't be for the title. So put them in a

[00:37:41] four man tag. Except it was new Japan. It would be a 10 man tag.

[00:37:45] Again, I don't. The match will probably end because solo interferes.

[00:37:57] Yeah, I would definitely rock and roll me away. I don't think I have to.

[00:38:03] I don't think yeah, I would, I would say if the match finished, which I don't think it would finish.

[00:38:08] I think it would be a stepping stone to continue the story on night two.

[00:38:13] But again, assuming this is real, but I think if it did finish, it have to be rock and Roman,

[00:38:20] right? Yeah, I agree. Right. So that brings us to night two, but before we get to the

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[00:39:22] allegedly see there's there's no way this order's right. Oh, actually, wait a minute, hang on,

[00:39:31] hang on. So they're saying, why Sammy there though? They're saying Seth Rollins versus Drew McIntyre

[00:39:44] versus Sammy Zane for the World Heavyweight title. Yeah. Okay, I guess he drew but I don't understand

[00:39:50] why Sammy's there. Yeah, I don't. Why would Sammy be there? They've already established it's

[00:39:58] going to be drew. So although I know things can change, but it'd be no reason to put Sammy in that

[00:40:07] position. You know, there there are people who still feel who still feel that Sammy was robbed when

[00:40:14] he didn't win the world title. Like over a year ago. Yeah. Yeah. He was great in the bloodline. But

[00:40:23] after that, it died down really quick. Yeah, that's so weird. Yeah, I could see like true. Yeah,

[00:40:40] Drew's got to win. Yeah, Drew's got to win that belt. I think they're setting up for two because

[00:40:46] man drew for a minute there when he was doing the literal Highlander gimmick. Yeah. Like,

[00:40:53] I saw Drew when he was doing his thing in TNA, and he was phenomenal. He was. But when he was

[00:41:01] true, Galloway, what what did he call that? His little shtick. Oh man, I forgot. I can't remember

[00:41:09] what he called it. It was good, though. It was really good. But so yeah, also, which I mean,

[00:41:17] everybody saw this coming. Jimmy Uso versus JU so. Yeah, that's. Oh, come on, that's going to be awesome.

[00:41:25] I think that might be the best match of the night. It's going to be up there. I don't know that it'll be

[00:41:36] Oh, not against Roman Cole, but still, I think it might be up there. It's going to be up there for

[00:41:42] the emotional payoff, for sure. Yeah. But yeah, so allegedly, that's happening. I don't know who'd

[00:41:51] win that. It depends on what they want to do with the story. I think you pretty well have to have Jay

[00:41:55] win it. Yeah, but whether or not they reconnect at the end, you know, or like maybe Jay loses,

[00:42:01] but it's because he refuses to actually like finish off his brother, you know,

[00:42:05] babyface move, and see that way he has to take. Yeah. And then, you know, Jimmy can take advantage

[00:42:13] of that. Yeah. Now, allegedly, another match we're going to have is goonther defending his

[00:42:19] championship against Chad Gable. Really? Which, which not going to lie. Oh, I'd be amazing. I'd

[00:42:27] actually like to see that match, but they're hinting that it's going to be Dom.

[00:42:34] And I kind of want Dom to win it. I'm just, I'm just saying.

[00:42:44] Like, obviously he's gonna cheat, but he can just take a page out of his not dad's book. I'm sorry, he's real his real father's book. I mean, I'm sorry, that's obviously what they're doing like he's got the mole he does the frog come on, this is and you gotta know and it's funny because Ray's gotta be loving it. Find the scenes obviously. Yeah. But I mean, Dom's nailing it and I never thought he would. When they're doing this, that's why they're doing this.

[00:43:05] But I mean, Dom's nailing it and I never thought he would. When they first teamed up with him and Ray, I was like, ah, it's not gonna work really. Yeah. Now I was like, I was like, yeah, I was like, Oh, this is nepotism at its finest. But like, Dom, Dom has delivered really good. Like even like outside WWE, like when he's like on YouTube and stuff like that, he's really good. Well, he.

[00:43:34] He's old school man. Like the way he treats his character, like not not quite to the level of kayfava, like the 80s, but he stays in character, like a whole lot, like it's mostly him I think. Yeah, exactly. He and Rhea both are really, really good at that. Actually, all the

[00:43:56] judgement days been pretty solid at that here lately. Yeah. Finn always never really had to too much. Yeah, I would say the least is like Damien. Yeah, but that's just Damien. Yeah. Like Damien is just being Damien right now, which he's got to be loving it. You can tell they're having a blast. Every one of them. And then you see like, you see the

[00:44:23] like fan footage or WWE's when they go off air, but they're still recording it. Oh, yeah, yeah, dude, they're having a blast.

[00:44:30] Yeah, I see him in truth.

[00:44:33] Okay, so let me let me I'm glad you said truth because I want to say something about our truth and I'll be honest. I don't know how I feel about this. Because I really, really like our truth. But I

[00:44:46] like our truth. Even as a wrestler, like again, going back to TNA, remember Ron the truth killings? Yeah, back when he was like a legit wrestler. Yeah, and he's good.

[00:44:59] But then he went and this has been going back years, they've been just making him progressively dumber and dumber, but they didn't do it overnight. And but the thing is he can do it. And he's really good at it for him.

[00:45:12] Like, I wish they would I got to believe he's got to be into it because obviously he wouldn't have been he's been doing it for like 10 years. Yeah, like going back to like little Jimmy thing. Like.

[00:45:24] Yeah, remember little Jimmy. But I mean, just like he he can come off like such an idiot, but everybody loves him.

[00:45:35] Like his bits of the role were hilarious or then his his one where he actually made Brock Lesnar, I'm sorry, the wrestler who shall not be named for legal legal because he signed an NDA made him break character when he's like, I'm gonna throw you over the top.

[00:45:53] Oh, Hey, man.

[00:45:55] Or then when they were doing the money in the bank batch or something and turns out there's like, and you're like, you're not even in the match.

[00:46:05] Yeah, I'm not. That's my bad.

[00:46:10] Man, aren't you this funny or shit? Yeah, like that dude is. He's something else. I'd like him to win the US title, please.

[00:46:21] Or at least one more title before you're tired. He needs at least one more. Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. But yeah, I'll be honest. I want I want Dom to win the belt.

[00:46:36] From Gunther.

[00:46:38] Like this WrestleMania.

[00:46:41] But I'd also really like to see Chad Gable. If Chad Gable were a serious character right now, I'd love to see that match.

[00:46:49] I think they dropped the ball of the chat so much that it seems like they may be trying to like look him more now, but I don't know if it's too late.

[00:47:01] Well, the funny thing is so Chad Gable actually

[00:47:04] and I just, I say, I just kind of, I kind of just thought about this, but you know, every once in a while and people like our truth too, I'm wondering if maybe this is a strategy for WWE sometimes when somebody needs like a physical break, but they still want to keep him on TV, give him a comedy gimmick.

[00:47:25] Because it's like they don't get me wrong. They still wrestle, but it's not when you're doing comedy bits instead, it can it's I imagine it's easier on your sentence. Yeah.

[00:47:37] So maybe maybe there's something to that because I mean they did it with Miz for a minute there too. They did it with Dolph for a minute.

[00:47:44] They were abusive for a little bit. Yeah, they did.

[00:47:51] Which once I'll say it again, like, and people have legitimately like argued with me about this. I'm just like, you guys just don't get it, like, think back to, which was that WrestleMania 20, Hulk and Rock, Hogan and rocks. Yeah, what's the moment it ever tell me one move that wasn't a finishing move that they did in that match that you can instantly be like, yeah.

[00:48:21] Everybody remembers the stare down. Stare down. Yep. It was like icon to icon. It's funny. What was the risk of injury during that moment?

[00:48:30] Well, the risk of injury for the rock.

[00:48:34] To be fair, Hulk Hogan might have. But I mean, it's zero. Yeah. And the audience changed the match. And then let's think of.

[00:48:48] And then I don't even remember. I think it was just not an episode of Raw, the famous, you know, Jeff Hardy taker match.

[00:48:55] Oh, yeah, it was a normal episode. Yeah. But what do people remember? Mm hmm. They remember taker raising his hand. They don't remember the match. Yeah.

[00:49:08] You know, the vast majority of great moments in professional wrestling have nothing to do with the move. Don't get me wrong. The moves are part of it.

[00:49:20] Well, then, then Cena was talking about this too. He was talking about with Chris. When, uh, Cena came back at that year's rumble, people remember the pose.

[00:49:31] Cena's even like Cena's like, I don't even remember how I won. Everybody remembers this.

[00:49:37] You know, Cody come, Cody coming back.

[00:49:43] They remember the, which is funny, because if you go back and watch that old episode, I called that shit to the letter.

[00:49:50] So let's go off. You got to keep his music. You got to keep wrestling has more than one more role family in that place. We'll just.

[00:49:58] Explode. And that's exactly. But that's what people remember. They remember wrestling has more than one.

[00:50:08] I mean, I'm case in point, Seth Rollins comes out to the ring. People sing his theme song. They don't like I get it. The moves are part of it.

[00:50:19] People freak out when Roman says the words acknowledge me. Yeah, you know, it's all late night. LA night, one word.

[00:50:32] Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's, this is something that AEW doesn't get. And it's frustrating as hell because they've got so much talent.

[00:50:46] See, I'm punk understood it. There's, there's, okay, I take the back. There's a few people in AEW who understand it, but not the people that make major decisions in the company.

[00:50:56] Yeah. It's in the ones that do you assume often, like, they're there like one week and then not back for like three weeks.

[00:51:04] Yeah. Well, and sting and I'm not faulting steam for this. Like, sting knows better, but he's out there.

[00:51:10] And I, this is the one time I don't mean it disparagingly. He's out there playing with the kids. He's having fun.

[00:51:17] So stings. I mean, obviously had to slow down, but he's trying as damned as not to, you know, you can tell. Yeah, but I will say this though. Stings AEW debut was insane and all he did was walk to the ring and point is bad at four people.

[00:51:35] And that place was on fire or frozen or, you know, they would have been on fire because I mean, it was winter is coming. So, you know, it's, it's just, it's the little things in WWE right now just understands that so well.

[00:51:58] It's just, it's good. This WrestleMania is going to have some killer moments.

[00:52:07] And it will be to be epic, but where were we.

[00:52:12] So yeah, I'm hoping for Dom, but if we got Chad, it'd be a good match. But if it is Chad, don't there's going to win.

[00:52:22] I think he might lose to be honest. The only reason I said because it seems they want him to like go beyond the belt, like he broke the belt, you know, he did almost every other match you could think of some kind of think he's wants like move on to something else.

[00:52:39] Yeah. Yeah, I think I think he's close to that. I don't think it's quite and it's not going there. I think it's where the story is.

[00:52:46] Yeah, with the world thought, although what could be interesting. Let's look at it this, and this is, this is the other thing I've always had a problem.

[00:52:54] What I would like to see Gunther do is I would like to see Gunther come to Triple H and say, look, here's what I want.

[00:53:04] I'm sick of defending this pitally ass belt. Yeah, so I'm going to give it to you.

[00:53:11] But I want Drew or Roman or actually that'd be a killer match him in Roman. Holy shit.

[00:53:19] That'd be so cool.

[00:53:22] But then Gunther can lose to Roman and then be like, well, now I want my intercontinental title.

[00:53:29] But look at Oscar, remember, she didn't retire the NXT belt. So I mean, she retired in a seat belt, but yeah, but she didn't lose it.

[00:53:38] Okay. Yeah. She was going up to the main roster, which I wish they would do more.

[00:53:42] Perchiger. Actually, you know what, it makes real sense to do that in NXT because like, what better way to show that you're ready for the main roster.

[00:53:49] You've defeated all comers and NXT.

[00:53:52] Yeah.

[00:53:53] Like, that's the nature of that belt. It never made sense to me. Somebody lose the NXT title and they get called up to Raw.

[00:54:00] Yeah, the game promotion. Yeah, the promotion for losing.

[00:54:04] Yeah, but it should be like, Oh, no, NXT champ, like they did it with Kevin Owens pretty well, where it's like, Oh, the NXT champ is here to challenge for the US title.

[00:54:15] Oh, and by the way, he beat Cena at one point.

[00:54:19] Wow, he was while he was NXT champion.

[00:54:24] So not for nothing. That was back in NXT's glory days though, which it's better.

[00:54:31] It's better. Yeah. I was gonna say, yeah, it's a lot better. I've watched like last week or for last. It was pretty good.

[00:54:38] It was rough for a minute there, but there's a there's a lot of people in NXT that I'm like, Okay, I'm with it. I'm here.

[00:54:45] Like Lyra Valkyria is.

[00:54:48] God, she's amazing. And once again, she was somebody I just started watching NXT again had no idea who she was.

[00:54:56] Like less than five minutes into her match. I was like, Okay, I'm here for it.

[00:55:01] I get it. I knew of her, but not as much as I do now. I had no idea. I had no idea who she was. I had never heard of her before in my life.

[00:55:11] And I was just like, Okay, cool. I'm still this is a me thing. This is not a, this is nothing to do with Carmelo Hayes. I don't get it.

[00:55:20] I'm just going to mention him. Him and his partner trip. Yeah.

[00:55:25] I don't get it. I didn't get swerve though when he was in NXT. I get him now now.

[00:55:32] But I didn't get it. I was like, I was like, he's not bad. And it's clearly a me thing. Like I said it about Tony Storm.

[00:55:40] I still say it about Tony. Everybody's like, Oh, Tony Storm. And I'm just like, why? Like she doesn't stop. But I'm not seeing. I'm not seeing the special.

[00:55:52] I don't what I like, I must be missing something. What nobody's been able to explain it to me. Everybody's just like, Oh, just watch her match. I'm like, I did it.

[00:56:01] That's what I'm telling you.

[00:56:04] And I know I said the same thing by Liv. Liv Morgan. So Liv Morgan is somebody who actually really like in the ring. But I can't explain it.

[00:56:16] Like I said, it's a, it's a, it's a me thing. I just, I like Liv Morgan's deal. But I can't explain why Liv Morgan is like so much better than any other other than the fact that I think she's a quintessential babyface and that because she's so small.

[00:56:33] And because she can, you know, turn it on so well as far as like, yeah, she can get fired up really well. So as a babyface she's really good.

[00:56:43] In terms of like, it's easy to see her as an underdog.

[00:56:49] That's about it. But I mean, other than the fact that she's fucking beautiful.

[00:56:55] But I mean, there's a lot of beautiful Alexa Alexa Bliss. I actually, so Alexa Bliss, if this is a fun fact so I actually saw Alexa Bliss's NXT debut. That's when I was watching back in.

[00:57:09] What was that 2014 2015.

[00:57:12] Okay.

[00:57:13] Oh, I'm sorry. No, I didn't see her debut, but it was when they put her with Blake and Murphy.

[00:57:18] Oh, okay, I remember I'd seen her before that, but when they put her with Blake and Murphy I was like, they just found a star.

[00:57:26] I don't know what it was that changed that for her, but as I'd seen her before she when she was doing the fairy princess thing.

[00:57:35] Yeah, and I was like, that's cute. Yeah, but then when it was funny because she wasn't even wrestling, but they put her with Blake and Murphy and I'm like, that's a superstar.

[00:57:45] And I can't put my finger on it, but I just knew it and then sure enough she got called up to the main roster before either then.

[00:57:52] Well, no, there was a moment where she got a matching NXT and I was like, oh.

[00:57:57] That's why. Okay.

[00:58:00] It's like they put her in a takeover and I was like, Oh, okay. There it is.

[00:58:09] I get it now. Yep. I put my finger on it right there.

[00:58:15] Let's see who else we got.

[00:58:20] We also allegedly have Bianca Belair versus Tiffany Stratton again, not a bad match, but at WrestleMania.

[00:58:29] I mean, frankly, and I know, and I don't understand why some people dislike Bianca now for some reason.

[00:58:36] But if Bianca's in a match, I'm there for it.

[00:58:41] Yeah, she's really good. Yeah, she's phenomenal.

[00:58:44] I really see her in Jay, to be honest.

[00:58:47] But I want them to build that because that's going to be, that's going to be a hell of a hate. Yeah.

[00:58:52] Well, I mean, it makes sense because they were both college athletes. They're both a similar build like.

[00:58:57] Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. They're both strong as shit. Yeah.

[00:59:03] And, but Bianca just is, again, I watched her NXT debut with that. I did watch.

[00:59:10] And I saw it there, but a lot like Jade, I was like, yeah, she's a little rough, but man, once she got to the main roster.

[00:59:18] That's what she's showing me. I mean, she just.

[00:59:22] I mean, damn, you want to talk about somebody that just clicked right then and there and just got so better and better and better and better.

[00:59:32] And now she's in, and now she's in the same conversations as people like Charlotte Flair and, you know, your Becky Lynch's and even your, you know, stars from the divas era like she's, she's in that club and it's all because she's a freak athlete.

[00:59:51] And she started getting the psychology.

[00:59:54] So, cause that's why her matches got significantly better. She wasn't just doing random moves, everything she did made sense.

[01:00:03] And I was so, I was so impressed by her. I forget what pay per view was, but I think it was a match with Charlotte and I think actually I might have been WrestleMania.

[01:00:11] She took, if he took a hit that looked worse than it was, but she understood what happened and she sold that shit so well.

[01:00:20] It wasn't, it was a freak accident because I think it was a.

[01:00:24] Now I can't remember some, I might have been Becky somebody was supposed to do a cent on but the threat hitter instead of the body.

[01:00:32] Oh, okay.

[01:00:33] But you could tell it like grazed her.

[01:00:36] It didn't like come full force kick but.

[01:00:39] She had the sense to be like wait her foot just hit me I need to sell this like hard for.

[01:00:46] And she literally was riding on the ground like I was.

[01:00:51] But so many times, and not just in a w, but it happens a lot more often in a w, you know, people get kicked in the face and as someone who's been kicked in the face.

[01:01:02] You don't just go.

[01:01:04] And then bounce back you don't.

[01:01:07] You generally just go back.

[01:01:10] And then you look up and don't remember following you're like what the fuck happened to me.

[01:01:18] That's what really happens when you get kicked in the face.

[01:01:21] You know, and remember when the super kick was a finishing move.

[01:01:25] Yes.

[01:01:26] Speech and music.

[01:01:27] Yeah, well news flash that is a finishing.

[01:01:30] Yeah, but much like the DDT. Let's really think about what a DDT actually is doing, or at least what it's what it's pretending to do.

[01:01:42] Like if you actually did that to someone, you could kill them.

[01:01:48] But remember the DDT was created as a finishing move.

[01:01:52] And now we got people doing.

[01:01:54] Yeah, Jake Snake. And that's a, that's a sick move, man.

[01:02:00] It really is.

[01:02:02] Now from Alexa so much the way she does it.

[01:02:06] She really does.

[01:02:08] Yeah.

[01:02:09] Well, and then here's the other part of the equation.

[01:02:12] And there's a handful of people that do it exceptionally well, taking the DDT is an art form in and of itself too.

[01:02:17] Yes.

[01:02:18] RVD.

[01:02:19] Takes the best DDT.

[01:02:22] To this day, because he would, he would like bounce and flop somehow.

[01:02:26] Matt striker takes a really good DDT too, but he takes it differently.

[01:02:30] He like pauses and then just kind of like crumbles over.

[01:02:34] I thought his DDT that he takes, which I think from RV RV to your dream or one of them.

[01:02:39] And then he just like stands up right for just split second and then just fall.

[01:02:45] This is good shit.

[01:02:55] I don't know. There's a lot of random finishing moves that I'm just kind of like, is that really a finisher?

[01:03:00] But then people do like four DDTs in a match and it's like, Oh, he's fine.

[01:03:06] But somehow a neckbreaker is a finisher.

[01:03:12] Which could be fair. It is.

[01:03:15] But, you know, I digress.

[01:03:19] A spear is a finisher, but a DDT isn't okay.

[01:03:23] Yeah, I don't get that part either.

[01:03:26] But it's only a finisher for some people. Some people just spear people and they're fine.

[01:03:31] Oh, so that's what I was going to say. My head cannon.

[01:03:34] In my head, how I would explain this is like, yes, when Jake Roberts invented the DDT.

[01:03:40] And this actually happens in combat sports, right?

[01:03:43] You know, when somebody, when a new art form becomes prolific, like UFC one, virtually hardly anybody knew about Jiu Jitsu.

[01:03:52] So nobody knew how to defend even the most basic Jiu Jitsu.

[01:03:56] Now, like if somebody puts you in a rear neck and choke, people know what to do.

[01:04:00] So my head cannon is that when Jake the snake.

[01:04:03] invented the DDT nobody knew how to protect themselves from it but as the years look at it as the years press yeah they learned how to protect themselves if they can catch it soon enough which is why some people can still use the DDT as a finishing move because if they apply it so fast and so well they take away so that's that's my head canon. So feel free to steal that by the way if you want to. Just you know.

[01:04:33] Shout out, shout out the podcast.

[01:04:36] Um, but yeah I think Bianca would beat Tiffany Stratton but Tiffany Stratton is somebody who's been impressing me over the past few months.

[01:04:43] She's been working hard obviously.

[01:04:47] Um, so.

[01:04:49] - I really like that her NST like a whole lot.

[01:04:52] - Yeah, yeah.

[01:04:55] But even on the main roster it's obvious she's she's there she's there to do something.

[01:05:01] And so the next match allegedly which we know this match is happening.

[01:05:11] EO Sky is defending her title against Bailey Bailey's going to win so hard but the special guest referee is Dakota Kai which that's going to make things interesting.

[01:05:22] - I still don't say it's Bailey she's going to win but Bailey's going to win but I think I think Dakota Kai is going to side with Bailey.

[01:05:34] I'm not sure.

[01:05:37] I just call it a hunch.

[01:05:43] I'm about I freaked out because I have the screenshot open and the time I took it was 804 and I was like wait what time is it.

[01:05:57] It's like, oh hey JJ JJ gave us a wave.

[01:06:02] Thanks for coming in the show feel free to contribute to the conversation if you would like.

[01:06:08] But that leads us to our main at which we know this is going to be the main event Roman Reigns versus Cody Rhodes for the undisputed title.

[01:06:16] I've already said my piece about that but what what do you think sir.

[01:06:21] - Honestly I think it's going to be I think you're right I think Roman has to keep it.

[01:06:27] At first I was saying I think it's going to be Cody and for the reasons like he lost against Roman so many times so I was thinking like this is like the final chapter.

[01:06:38] He's already ended you know finished and when everybody's going to go home happy but you know you brought what you said about Roman should keep it.

[01:06:50] I really think he should.

[01:06:52] And for those of you who for those of you who haven't watched the interview with O'Shay Jackson Jr. I highly highly recommend you watch it.

[01:07:02] I didn't know that he was a wrestling fan and I started randomly seeing him on Twitter.

[01:07:07] I thought it was a troll account at first I was like man I just keep the sun doesn't watch wrestling.

[01:07:13] I'm like holy shit this is actually O'Shay Jackson Jr. man you were the bomb in West out of Compton, almost said West out of Compton I don't know what that movie is.

[01:07:27] - Yeah, it's like I don't in one way I want Cody to win and just to like be over with the story.

[01:07:34] But on the other hand I think Roman stories a little bit better.

[01:07:38] Roman story is better right now but here's the thing though if they play this right.

[01:07:43] Because Roman story will end and it's closer to ending as obviously it's been going on for a while but he's got to beat that whole committee record.

[01:07:53] I think he should lose to Cody.

[01:07:56] But after beating the rock and passing that benchmark and then you can enter the Cody era because I don't want Cody's win to be a one night thing.

[01:08:07] And then you want them.

[01:08:09] - Yeah, I forgot Damien the briefcase.

[01:08:13] - Yep.

[01:08:14] - I forgot about that.

[01:08:15] So it'd be kind of dirty if Cody wins then loses the same night against Damien.

[01:08:22] - Which they probably would but at that point so if if they go this route if they have Cody winning then Damien caches in.

[01:08:29] That would be disappointing on two levels because now you've lost the Roman story.

[01:08:34] And you've lost the Cody story.

[01:08:36] I think Damien actually some I think I think it was Brian who said he thinks that Drew.

[01:08:44] Okay.

[01:08:46] So regardless of what happens between Seth and Drew.

[01:08:51] I think you'll see Damien cash in but here's the problem with that.

[01:08:56] So let's this is something WWE hasn't acknowledged in fact they've been trying to.

[01:09:03] - Vince people of the opposite.

[01:09:06] So that world title doesn't mean anything.

[01:09:11] But we're expected to believe that people would buy for now if it was their only title.

[01:09:18] Then I get it but why would Damien cash in for that one?

[01:09:22] Unless I guess the only way you could explain it in story is Damien knows that even if Roman is weak the bloodline is still there.

[01:09:32] So maybe that's why he would cash in.

[01:09:37] But again to be fair I overthink this crap so.

[01:09:41] I know most people are just happy to watch the story unfold and I'm over here like but why would he do that?

[01:09:47] - I always got it over analyze.

[01:09:50] - Oh man it's bad.

[01:09:53] It's real bad.

[01:09:55] I ruin a lot of movies for people.

[01:09:59] - How do you think about this crap? I'm like I don't know I can't help it.

[01:10:04] - I over analyze.

[01:10:07] - I overanalyze.

[01:10:09] - I'm saying I was a Congress like they had expanded more on the story with Coli.

[01:10:18] I wish it was like WrestleMania is like in a few weeks.

[01:10:21] I wish it was longer.

[01:10:22] I wish they moved the night in a little bit.

[01:10:25] - It's going to be a rush so much.

[01:10:29] - Does feel like we're sprinting but I would remind you that they've been building this up since Cody had his.

[01:10:36] - Yeah I know.

[01:10:38] - But yeah it's sprinting. It's coming. It's coming hard.

[01:10:42] That came out wrong.

[01:10:44] - That was not intentional.

[01:10:47] - That's what she said.

[01:10:51] - It's approaching with velocity.

[01:10:56] - That's what she said.

[01:11:01] - She went to Harvard. What do you expect?

[01:11:05] - Actually my buddy got me really good on it.

[01:11:10] - I can't remember what he asked me but he was like who's he facing?

[01:11:23] But he said it in a weird way and I was thinking what do you mean by that?

[01:11:26] And then I thought it would be funny and I'd go listen man or he was like mad.

[01:11:31] That's what I was going to say when he tried to answer.

[01:11:39] And this WrestleMania is going to be awesome.

[01:11:43] - Yeah.

[01:11:45] - It just sucks that it's two nights man. I never liked the two night pay per view.

[01:11:49] - No I never did the two nights. To me it was a little too much.

[01:11:53] - It's more than a little too much. It's a lot too much.

[01:11:55] And I don't like that Wrestle Kingdom is two nights now. It's just it's too much.

[01:12:00] Like it was hard enough for me to watch one night of WrestleMania with my schedule.

[01:12:04] Now you want me to do it twice?

[01:12:07] - Although I will be to be fair, WWE's premium events are a lot more tolerable.

[01:12:15] They've made some changes. They're not as long fewer matches but better matches.

[01:12:20] AEW for the love of all that is good.

[01:12:24] Like stop putting on six hour pay per views and no, that is not.

[01:12:31] That's not.

[01:12:32] - I have fallen asleep against revolution where it was called. I fell asleep halfway through.

[01:12:37] - I have fallen asleep.

[01:12:39] - Yeah. I have fallen asleep, which is why I stopped buying AEW pay per views.

[01:12:43] The last three that I watched I either fell asleep or turned it off to watch the next day because I knew I was going to fall asleep.

[01:12:51] - Yeah.

[01:12:52] - I found myself not paying attention because it's too damn long. But actually I don't think you've heard this story.

[01:12:59] And I checked. Apparently they're at least not in my area. They're not doing it anymore.

[01:13:03] For a while there, AEW was putting their pay per views in AMC theaters.

[01:13:08] And it was only 25 bucks. Well, no, sounds cool.

[01:13:13] But I think it was double or nothing.

[01:13:21] It was AEW or nothing. This has been a couple years ago.

[01:13:25] But it was the double or nothing where Wardlow finally got even with MJF.

[01:13:30] - Okay. I remember that one.

[01:13:32] - So I thought it was making out like a bandit because like the pay per views, 50 bucks, I only paid 25.

[01:13:37] And I get popcorn and refreshments.

[01:13:40] Except that I realized about halfway through the show.

[01:13:45] Shit. I can't pause this.

[01:13:48] I have to stay.

[01:13:51] - Oh, yeah.

[01:13:53] - And I was like, oh, this was a mistake.

[01:13:57] Because I was ready to leave at hour three.

[01:14:01] It was on for another two and a half hours.

[01:14:05] - That's rough.

[01:14:07] - I think I actually did skip the main event because that on that particular one, I just didn't care that much.

[01:14:14] But yeah, it's a w's pay per views are rough, man. And it's obvious, like Tony con is booking for Tony con. And it's obvious because Tony con has clinical freaking ADHD.

[01:14:29] But the kind where like you can hyper focus on the thing you love. He's like, I legitimately want to watch wrestling for seven hours. It's like Tony.

[01:14:37] - No, I really does hardly anybody else does. Like, I'm sure there are some people out there that love it. But, and here's the thing, you can do a five hour pay per view. If it's incredibly awesome.

[01:14:52] But when you have a five, five and a half hour pay per view where most of the matches are mediocre at best. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, it's boring.

[01:15:03] What the takeover, like the takeover is just to be so good. It was like what hour, maybe hour and half. I think they were two. I think they were two hours, maybe like an hour 45 minutes. But yeah, one of them like eight, not eight w's past you pay per views have been right at about three.

[01:15:19] Yeah, that's, that's about perfect. Three to four hour. Well, three hours is almost perfect. If it's a really good pay per view three to four hours. Because I know some of w's older pay per years were closer to the four hour mark, but they were amazing.

[01:15:32] And then you got WrestleMania where they're like two nights.

[01:15:40] And book everybody. Book everybody.

[01:15:45] No, no, it's not like a she's it's not like a w where there's like, Oh crap, we forgot to book this person from ring of honor throw them.

[01:15:55] We've got two on the card so what.

[01:16:01] When it wasn't too bad a royals but there was legitimately a what a w pay per view was that where they had two ladder matches but they didn't realize they had two ladder matches.

[01:16:13] Oh yeah, that was, wasn't like last year you before. Yeah, yeah, it was.

[01:16:21] I can't remember now but yeah they had two ladder matches on one show and I was like somebody screwed up. Yeah, or didn't care.

[01:16:30] So they're like oh it's going to be awesome.

[01:16:33] It's going to be totally awesome because they did it like 30 minutes before. Now we're going to do it again.

[01:16:42] But I'm still convinced that just to shit on a w some more. I'm still convinced that they forgot.

[01:16:51] When they did all in in the UK, I'm still convinced that they forgot that they had all out booked the following week.

[01:16:59] Oh, I really do. It seemed the way it was booked.

[01:17:03] Yeah, I legitimately think they forgot because we realized live on this program I was like wait a minute.

[01:17:09] So when they call out in a week, they have announced nothing for it.

[01:17:15] It was like it was just that one. And they forgot about the next one. They forgot all about.

[01:17:22] And that's that's a shame because you're lost honestly they're rosters big enough they could do to back to back pay per views and have completely different cards.

[01:17:30] They absolutely could have. But I think Tony just forgot.

[01:17:36] I think that these hope. Well now they're now they're talking about doing that every year.

[01:17:41] And I'm like hang on. You seriously are going to you want people to spend $100 in one month on two of your shitty pay per views.

[01:17:54] Which I guess all in was good but we all know the second one won't be.

[01:17:59] Because like the first double or nothing was really good. The second one was pretty good actually A.W. pay per views used to be amazing.

[01:18:07] Like I read the first revolution was just incredible.

[01:18:15] Yeah, I remember that the episode you guys did like a few weeks of back, it was about one of the old peer reviews I forgot about it.

[01:18:23] Oh, was that always. Yeah, the first all in something. Yeah, the first all in still holds up but Tony got a nothing to do with that so.

[01:18:31] Oh, yeah, he was just there.

[01:18:35] But yeah, I did. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. Tony Khan needs help. Tony Khan needs to step away from the booking.

[01:18:43] Because he clearly he's just.

[01:18:46] The fact that he won Booker of the year.

[01:18:49] Just.

[01:18:53] Well, I'm not saying Tony.

[01:18:59] That's.

[01:19:02] I'm not saying, but I mean.

[01:19:06] All I'm saying is that if you want to do exchange.

[01:19:12] Services, I'm just saying that's one possibility. Not saying it happened.

[01:19:20] But NDA's were signed in a w so.

[01:19:25] Just saying.

[01:19:27] A couple by the sound of it.

[01:19:32] Well, on that note, I suppose we can wrap her up unless you wanted to add anything from wrestling the past two weeks.

[01:19:39] Not so much. It was just that revolution. I saw.

[01:19:44] You're wrong.

[01:19:46] Although I guess sting.

[01:19:48] Sting is gone, but he's not really gone.

[01:19:51] I mean, he is, but.

[01:19:54] I didn't know his son wrestled.

[01:19:56] I didn't.

[01:19:57] No idea.

[01:19:58] And you know what? I'm caught.

[01:20:01] I kind of dig it.

[01:20:03] I do too. Like do you see him? He looks so good. Like he looks just like his.

[01:20:09] Just like him.

[01:20:10] Like I saw, because he did like Wolfpack sting, right? And I was like.

[01:20:15] I thought it was AI at first, not going to lie.

[01:20:18] I did.

[01:20:19] I did. I literally thought somebody made an image of just old Wolfpack stain, but I'm like, Oh my God, that's real.

[01:20:25] And wow.

[01:20:28] I see more of him.

[01:20:29] I think we will.

[01:20:30] Yeah.

[01:20:35] Because you just, I mean, it's, are they calling him sting? Because I didn't watch revolution.

[01:20:40] No, no, I didn't call now.

[01:20:43] They didn't call him anything.

[01:20:46] I think it would be cool for him to go with Steve Borden for a look, because I guess his name is Steve Borden Jr.

[01:20:53] Yeah, I think it would be really cool to have sting reappear on a wtv as Steve Borden and just be like, no, you're sting now.

[01:21:04] Yeah.

[01:21:05] I think he's got to earn it. But yeah, I think that would be really cool.

[01:21:09] And then you can have Tony Shivani be like, ladies and gentlemen.

[01:21:14] Steve.

[01:21:17] And his dad. The artists formerly noticing.

[01:21:25] But yeah, I mean, I, it's been a crazy few weeks, but I promise everyone I will be better about watching a w.

[01:21:33] It's just ww so much better right now.

[01:21:37] And everybody's gearing up for WrestleMania.

[01:21:41] Yeah, it's pretty understandable because like right now, it's not much just happened on E. W. Anyway, like nothing to interest.

[01:21:51] Yeah.

[01:21:54] Oh, some more Joe Mack was pretty okay, but I kind of fell asleep on that too.

[01:21:58] Well, I mean, to be fair, you'd waited four and a half hours. Yeah.

[01:22:02] I was already there. Well, damn, they don't start until they started eight or nine o'clock.

[01:22:08] Yeah, I think they started.

[01:22:12] So yeah, but so it's midnight by the time he gets in the main event.

[01:22:18] Yeah, it was like good.

[01:22:23] Yeah, no, I'm sorry Tony. It's too long. It's too long, buddy. Just have more pay per views.

[01:22:29] Actually, no, don't, don't just let them down.

[01:22:33] Get rid of the bullshit matches.

[01:22:37] It's too much filler. Like, it's too much.

[01:22:40] They fight so hard to get so many matches, but most of them are crap.

[01:22:46] Yeah.

[01:22:48] Holy crap.

[01:22:49] What was the pay per view where they had a legit Iron Man match in it?

[01:22:53] I'm like, you had an Iron Man mat. You had a 60 minute Iron Man match in an AEW pay per view.

[01:22:58] Oh, yeah, I remember that was a six. That was a six hour pay per view.

[01:23:03] Yeah.

[01:23:05] That was, I think that was all out one year now that I think about it was.

[01:23:10] I don't think I mean, wash all of it. I had to break it up in days.

[01:23:13] No one's like, I remember when they announced an Iron Man match, I was like, Oh, God, Tony.

[01:23:21] Stop.

[01:23:25] I absolutely hate those timer days. Like it's like 20 minute time limit match. All that stuff.

[01:23:31] I really hate those type of matches.

[01:23:33] I mean, I like it when they do them consistently. Yeah. Like, cause when AEW started, I actually

[01:23:39] don't, and like, I don't understand why they didn't keep it around because it gives you an

[01:23:43] out when you've got two wrestlers that neither one really should lose a time limit draws a legitimate

[01:23:50] ending. Be like, wow, these guys are both so good that neither one could finish each other in the time allotted.

[01:23:56] And now you've already got another match because now you have a no time limit match.

[01:24:02] Yeah, there will be a winner, but for some reason they got rid of it.

[01:24:07] Unless sometimes they bring it back, but then they don't mention the time limit before.

[01:24:12] They did that on one of their weekly shows and everybody was like, what?

[01:24:17] What do you mean the time limit expired? Nobody said anything about a time limit.

[01:24:20] But yeah, they mention only when it suits them.

[01:24:26] It's like, but it's like they mentioned it until they need it and then they make no mention of it whatsoever.

[01:24:31] It was the wildest thing because they legitimately said nothing about a time limit.

[01:24:35] And they were like, I think when they got to the five or two minute warning and it was like, wait, what? There's a time limit?

[01:24:44] Like, nobody said anything about a time limit.

[01:24:48] But anyway, we've been going on for quite a while. So yeah, we'll wrap it up.

[01:24:54] But we know one thing, like I said, WrestleMania is going to be awesome. We will see everybody again in two weeks. Thanks for joining us for this

[01:25:00] meeting.

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