Down The Middle Episode 69: Will Mercedes Bring Mone??

[00:00:00] What's going on everybody? Welcome to Down The Middle and I just realized I don't have

[00:00:16] my headphones plugged in so it might sound weird if these guys say anything before I do this.

[00:00:21] Alright, let's be honky door right now. This podcast is brought to you by Put Your

[00:00:29] Box, more on them in a moment but Brian. I know we're here to talk about Mercedes

[00:00:35] but you said something and I can't let it slide. Let's first talk about.

[00:00:41] I gotta be a man. I can't let it slide.

[00:00:47] I'm back. Oh yeah Brian's back everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We knew we knew you didn't

[00:00:56] meant me. Your presence your absence. I was about to say your presence was felt but no

[00:01:03] your absence was felt. You were mentioning the edge and Christian match and I told you

[00:01:09] I started to watch it. The Jersey spot completely took me out of it and I will explain why

[00:01:14] but you were going to say something and I said hold on let's let's hold that thought.

[00:01:21] I was talking about the match. It wasn't. I think I can say why. I think the reason why

[00:01:29] you didn't care for the spot. You know me well enough, yeah.

[00:01:34] This Christian was putting the Jersey on himself. Yeah, I was taking the same thing. I mean,

[00:01:44] it's one of them five details as like a fan you notice but when you're in the moment

[00:01:51] of like edges trying to put that Jersey on him and try to put his Jersey on it's one

[00:01:57] of them things of like it's kind of it's kind of hard to put somebody's Jersey on them

[00:02:03] and put your own on the same time for the lead up. Then don't do it. I guess so for those

[00:02:09] of you who are saying because I know I know you're out there in the comments section by

[00:02:13] the way I should probably pull that up. I know but I know I know some people are going

[00:02:17] to say and to that to respond, I would simply say this imagine you're watching a UFC fight

[00:02:26] and one of the fighters wants to do, and this is even worse, wants to do a jump from the

[00:02:35] cage. I've seen it done jump from the cage and kick the guy in the head and imagine the

[00:02:39] other guy sees that he's going to miss that kick and then runs in and places his face exactly

[00:02:45] where it needs to be so that he can land that kick. Now dial that up to 11 and that's why

[00:02:51] spots like this ruin wrestling for me personally because I watch wrestling and I know I'm apparently

[00:02:58] I'm weird. I don't think I'm weird but as far as the vocal minority goes I'm weird. As far

[00:03:03] as the AEW fan base goes, I know I'm weird. But when I watch a wrestling match, I'm suspending

[00:03:09] my disbelief and reacting to it as though it were a real fight or not even a real fight,

[00:03:15] a real competition or real sport fight. But when they do something and I was already kind

[00:03:21] of getting out of him when Edge couldn't figure out the, like I get it, it's hard to put

[00:03:25] a jersey on and it's always like I need to do this fast and that's when the shirt never

[00:03:28] cooperates. Yeah. Just just don't do it. That's just me though. I know a lot of people loved

[00:03:39] it. I know a lot of people thought it was great and I guess more power to them but me personally

[00:03:44] I think this spot would have been better if they both would have came out with the jersey

[00:03:49] on as their interest. I agree that would have worked. And then they could have played

[00:03:56] a penalty box saying then the jerseys could have came off. See, there you go. If you're

[00:04:02] adamant about using the jerseys, bring them in from the beginning and it would make sense

[00:04:10] because they were in Toronto, it would make sense for Edge to be wearing a leaf jersey.

[00:04:15] Yeah. I mean that would just make sense. Now what I'm wondering though, because they took

[00:04:21] it from people in the audience, I'm wondering where they plan to just get an idea.

[00:04:26] I mean, probably but yeah, watching Edge, I get it. Christian was kind of wobbly so Edge,

[00:04:37] yeah, it took a little extra time to get the jersey on. But once I saw Christian who was supposed

[00:04:41] to be like borderline unconscious, start putting the shirt on. Yeah, that's the part of

[00:04:48] taking out of it. Okay, I'm glad I'm not a minority. But the match after that was great.

[00:04:55] I mean, the way it finished was good. Yeah, because Edge won the title right? So they hate

[00:05:06] him. He'll switch whatever his name is. That's what they're calling me ask, kill switch I think.

[00:05:13] Oh, I, I know who you're talking about. I'm just having a brain part. What is his name?

[00:05:21] Oh, Lucha Soros.

[00:05:23] Lucha Soros, yeah. Wow. Okay. Okay. I thought Lucha Soros was a stupid name. He's still wearing

[00:05:34] the dinosaur mask. Yeah, that's the problem. He's still the same. I guarantee you there was

[00:05:41] probably discussion backstage. Listen, we're going to change your gimmick. You're going

[00:05:43] to be killed. Switch now. Could I keep the dinosaur mask? Yes, you can keep the dinosaur

[00:05:50] mask because it's AEW and that's what we do. But speaking of AEW, why the people clicked

[00:05:57] on this video? In a development that surprised no one. Mercedes, yeah, nobody was surprised.

[00:06:10] Like we were all spec, which you didn't show up at the rumble. We were like, oh, okay, she's

[00:06:14] going to AEW and then Tony Con made his big announcement about the big announcement where

[00:06:18] he then announced big business in Boston. It's like, oh, that's Mercedes is going to

[00:06:24] debut now. As far as her debut goes, I have thoughts. They're not good. In light of me.

[00:06:34] So the first thing is she should have debuted in a match. Now, okay, maybe she's not medically

[00:06:45] clear yet because she hasn't wrestled. I don't think has she just wrestled this person.

[00:06:51] She just did. Okay, I saw her. I saw her in ring promo, but I didn't see the match. So okay,

[00:06:56] I just wanted to make sure. Okay, so she is ready. Wednesday.

[00:07:02] RESTLED THIS PASS WANTSDAY. Right. Which yeah, I would have had her debut in a match personally

[00:07:09] because I watched her promo. I got to say it was long. It was boring and it didn't really do anything.

[00:07:22] DISTIGREE. DISTIGREE. I completely agree. I mean, like your silence on us, like did I miss something?

[00:07:32] It's never really been to me at least. Never really been big on promos.

[00:07:38] I think so this shows a distinction between the WWE style and the AEW style.

[00:07:46] I really do think they just said, yeah, go out there. You've got X number of minutes and she took

[00:07:50] every bit of time, but it just seemed like it took so long for her to get somewhere and she never

[00:07:57] went anywhere with the promo. That being said, Eric Bischoff is catching some heat on Twitter

[00:08:06] because he basically said he's cutting up the fact that I guess that segment got a rating of

[00:08:13] 800,000 viewers. Which is kind of high. It's on the high end for AEW audiences but I wanted to do

[00:08:22] this before but I didn't have time this week. I wanted to look up the lowest rated WWE segment

[00:08:29] period that same week and compare the numbers. And particularly if you go with Raw or Smackdown,

[00:08:36] not NXT. NXT was probably equal. But if you compare it to Raw or Smackdown,

[00:08:42] I would wager to say that it was still 2 million plus for the lowest segment.

[00:08:52] Maybe I'd have to look at that's pure speculation.

[00:08:56] I think so. Yeah, that's pure speculation. Now here's the thing though, I don't like segment by

[00:09:00] segment ratings until I started paying attention to AEW segment by segment ratings because

[00:09:08] the drop-offs are usually pretty substantial. And you're looking at how they stack the card now

[00:09:14] caveat. I looked at the card because I intended to watch the, I intended to watch Dynamite yesterday.

[00:09:23] I ended up not being able to because my schedule got all kinds of fucked around but I did

[00:09:29] want to at least watch the Mercedes Monet promo. But I look at the card and I'll be honest on

[00:09:34] paper, the card seemed pretty decent for the most part. And I was kind of like,

[00:09:38] ah, I actually would have liked to watch this but I know it's good on paper. So did you guys watch

[00:09:44] Dynamite? You only think I watched with the paper head. I didn't see everything. Yeah,

[00:09:50] was the card actually good or was it? It was okay. Yeah what you saw. I saw it but yeah,

[00:09:58] but I didn't see all about to go back to wash everything. Well because I know on paper it said

[00:10:02] like you had Eddie Kingston versus Okada which first of all, you're putting Okada as the opening

[00:10:09] match on Dynamite really? Kazuchiko Okada. Okay. I mean at least it was with Eddie Kingston and not

[00:10:23] Chuck Taylor. Which I can see happening.

[00:10:33] But yeah, so I guess the speculation and what we're really here to discuss is will Mercedes bring

[00:10:39] money to AEW or will it be more of the same? I think you all know where my vote is but I don't blame

[00:10:46] Mercedes. It's going to be the same. It's going to be the same. Yeah. Now the thing of it is she

[00:10:54] should and should bring in money if she were utilized properly but I've said it before but I'm

[00:11:02] going to state it now for the record. Mercedes is going to get a push for like a month or two

[00:11:08] and then nothing and I say this because it happened with Saraya, it happened with Ruby Soho,

[00:11:14] it happened well Tony Storm, it happened with Tony Storm but then they decided to do the

[00:11:20] gimmick that I'm now sick of. It's gonna happen with Diana Parazo because she's right in her

[00:11:27] peak because she debuted what about a month ago? Yeah, because she debuted about a month ago.

[00:11:33] Like it's happening. Yeah but it's cool because they always have Rihau. At least they have Rihau.

[00:11:46] I don't know they just can't seem to figure out how to book their women wrestling.

[00:11:53] They can't seem to figure out how to book their wrestling but the women's division in particular

[00:11:58] does seem to be kind of like and where's where's Brick Baker? He's injured right now last I heard.

[00:12:08] Oh she's okay, she's injured. Okay then she then that's a pass. Yeah last I heard she was still injured so

[00:12:15] okay that's fair but speaking of injuries and I haven't seen this so you can enlighten me if I

[00:12:24] getting a detailed wrong comment section looking at you because I know you're getting ready to type in

[00:12:29] this. Yeah Darby Allen was going to be written off TV so that he could go climb Mount Everest

[00:12:39] but then actually got injured and then the next week they did an injury angle to write him off TV.

[00:12:53] Why? Why are you making more work for yourself? And I'm kind of I'm paraphrasing Jim Cornett here.

[00:13:00] If he was dead set on climbing Mount Everest which first of all

[00:13:04] dumb idea but if he was dead set on it send a camera with him.

[00:13:11] How close is it? Then you can say one of our wrestlers lined Mount Everest.

[00:13:19] They literally could make a documentary out of it exactly and don't tell me that that one

[00:13:25] yeah Darby Allen every time you introduce Darby Allen from now when you can say

[00:13:29] that's a climber of Mount Everest and that can follow him wherever he goes so that's first thing but

[00:13:35] then okay so for some reason you don't want to do that which you know Darby is going to

[00:13:41] document it anyway so maybe they were just planning on using the footage I'll give them the benefit

[00:13:45] of the doubt. But still I would think that you would advertise that it's like watch Darby Allen

[00:13:51] climb Mount Everest. On top of that like you get outside people that's just watching

[00:13:59] for the Mount Everest aspect watching Darby Allen and then they're like oh he's a wrestler

[00:14:05] and then they see his car crash matches yeah and I mean that in a good way.

[00:14:11] Yeah it would bring in new eyes. Well WWE is allergic to that apparently

[00:14:17] an eye and bring it an eye. Now I think I think it legitimately would bring in some eyes but

[00:14:23] okay so for some reason you decide not to do that so then you decide okay we're going to write

[00:14:27] you off TV with an injury angle okay that makes sense in theory but with anyone except Darby Allen

[00:14:37] how are you gonna injure this dude in a way that's believable actually

[00:14:42] he jumped off the ladder through a pain of glass and six chairs. His finishing move is jumping

[00:14:50] backwards off of a tall thing and landing on his spine how are you gonna injure this dude

[00:14:57] but then they actually did but then instead of saying oh yeah it stinks retirement match

[00:15:03] he broke three drones in his foot so he's going to be out for a bit they do an injury angle on dynamite

[00:15:12] it doesn't make sense I don't know whose Tony Khan is allegedly writing the show

[00:15:23] stop now don't do it again they've got a roster full of talent and it's so frustrating as a

[00:15:33] wrestling fan because I remember when AEW was actually decent who's pretty good now granted we

[00:15:39] were comparing it to WWE which at the time was like me at most I was gonna say meh is meh was a good

[00:15:49] episode or I was like that wasn't terrible but like I remember when it was like it was a very rare

[00:15:56] occurrence to watch Raw till the end. Wow can be like oh okay yeah that was a few now it's like

[00:16:03] 20 years ago yeah but I think it's a crying shame because Mercedes should bring in a ton of money

[00:16:12] but I have a theory because I think I can't remember which one of you said it in our group chat

[00:16:17] but you said it must be a short-term deal or I read it somewhere oh yeah about the contract

[00:16:23] because I heard that she was going to go to back to WWE so I was saying maybe it's like a short-term

[00:16:29] contract maybe for a few months or even a year or two that's it yeah I wouldn't be shocked if

[00:16:35] it was a year or two I wouldn't I she probably signed a two-year deal if I had to guess yeah because

[00:16:41] maybe she wanted and I can understand this given what happened to her I could understand why

[00:16:45] maybe she didn't want to run back to WWE that just got sold maybe she wants to see how the new

[00:16:51] company culture is going to be does yeah things are good now but as we saw with AEW for fun fact

[00:16:57] starts out great and then things happen so at the very least from a business sense it makes sense

[00:17:03] go to AEW because if nothing else she's gonna get paid for the duration of her contract and she's

[00:17:07] probably gonna get paid a lot yeah also heard that Tony's going to allow her to like rescue other places

[00:17:15] like in Japan and like I guess TNA or however but she she's able to go overseas too so I'm not too sure

[00:17:25] yeah and that's yeah that's a deal that a lot of the wrestlers have which I'll be honest with

[00:17:30] I like the only thing I if if I were if I were in charge in AEW it sounds good on paper but every

[00:17:40] time they go and wrestle somewhere else they risk getting injured somewhere else because at

[00:17:45] the very least if they're injured in an AEW ring we can use that when they're ready to come back

[00:17:50] you know what I mean yeah but if she gets injured in TNA I mean what am I gonna do with that

[00:18:01] I can't do anything with that well actually I take that back they are using it with Willow

[00:18:06] Nightingale which that happened in New Japan but that's because they have a that's only because

[00:18:11] Willow Nightingale is in AEW that that works and it doesn't work that well

[00:18:23] yeah thoughts questions concerns oh I agree I definitely agree this is a conversation

[00:18:29] everybody's just like yeah I mean I feel like Mercedes is like you said I think she's

[00:18:44] gonna get a push for a month maybe two and then she's just gonna drop off and then she's

[00:18:50] just gonna fade into the scene and then just get used every once in a while yeah and I don't

[00:18:55] think we're gonna get a Mercedes Monet only fans out of this one that's not what I'd

[00:19:01] pay for anyways I'm just saying because she hasn't started one yet usually that happens before hand but

[00:19:11] I mean Tony might be paying enough but I mean does Tony Storm still have one I don't know

[00:19:17] she might I know she had one at one point I was gonna look at win as WrestleMania

[00:19:26] April 6th and 7th

[00:19:29] had a boy put my calendar instead

[00:19:35] so our next podcast is on April 4th so I guess we can just do a

[00:19:39] WrestleMania celebration

[00:19:42] so

[00:19:46] and

[00:19:46] come on

[00:19:48] it's celebrate

[00:19:51] WrestleMania

[00:19:54] it's actually a day after vintage birthday wow you had to bring that up

[00:20:02] kill the mood

[00:20:03] goodnight

[00:20:09] really that's wrong

[00:20:10] that's wrong no you're good

[00:20:14] damn I thought we were gonna disagree a little bit more

[00:20:20] I just I really since she's left WWE I just don't think she's

[00:20:26] she hasn't done anything like she hasn't caught my eye anywhere

[00:20:31] yeah and that's

[00:20:34] yeah I know and that was

[00:20:35] she was over there she didn't really like move on you for me you know I

[00:20:39] saw a few matches I liked it but it wasn't like the best you know somebody somebody did point out

[00:20:46] in our comments um because we uploaded the video the clip of when we were talking about Mercedes

[00:20:53] going into the Royal Rumble and we speculated that I speculated she was gonna be in the Rumble

[00:21:00] but basically somebody had I guess disagreed with me by saying like of course she moved the needle

[00:21:05] in new Japan I'm like okay yes she I didn't do the best job of explaining my point because

[00:21:12] of course she moved the needle in new Japan for new Japan a lot of people have done that

[00:21:18] but relative to the impact she would have had with the WWE return it's negligible

[00:21:26] she did not bring that and not not to say she would bring that many new eyes to the WWE product

[00:21:32] but a lot more WWE fans would be happy about that and that leads to merchandise sales that might

[00:21:40] be I mean they don't do paper view buys anymore but that might lead to a peacock subscription which

[00:21:45] we know WWE at least gets a chunk of that when that happens or at least they get like a revenue

[00:21:50] share of the viewers of their premium live events yeah you know but it's not like it's not like

[00:21:59] new Japan's viewer base jumped up 40% or anything like that

[00:22:07] and plus I mean oh go ahead just let me go back going back to her promo like her debut promo

[00:22:15] in new Japan was just so so bad yeah and I don't I don't want to say blame her I don't know who made

[00:22:26] the mistake but I remember I watched and I went oh and I knew I knew there goes new Japan

[00:22:36] and now a lot of people said oh she had some great matches I'm like okay that may be true

[00:22:40] but after that debut because I was gonna give it a fair shake and I know I'm not the only one

[00:22:46] I'm not saying that my opinion matters more than anybody else's but I guarantee you a lot of people

[00:22:50] saw that and went oh I guess she doesn't have it outside of WWE yeah it's not fair in person

[00:23:02] personally I don't like I don't like the hairstyle I really don't I liked okay so I was

[00:23:07] I was down with the vibrant colors but the yeah I know what you mean the dying the words into

[00:23:17] yeah that part says now that I read this like that I like the way she used to be I was okay with

[00:23:23] that but not this so much head head do not work well for billboards we now we now know that thank you

[00:23:29] for Sadie's but yeah it's uh I'm I'm saying way too I wasn't really fan of the hair and the weird

[00:23:37] thing I kind of touched on this and I don't really know how to put it in the words I guess in WWE

[00:23:46] I don't want to say this like she's bad in the ring because I don't think this I don't know how

[00:23:52] to put this but when she was an NXT and WWE she always looked really good in the ring and I think

[00:23:59] that's partially because everybody she worked with knew how to make her look good and she knew how

[00:24:05] to make them look good because she was brought up in that system right yeah but when you're out

[00:24:11] when you're out of WWE you may or may not have that yeah and that's why you know I use the

[00:24:18] example of Jade Cargo's match with um Anna Jay I like both of them a lot but they were both so

[00:24:28] green that in the ring together they couldn't cover for each other because they didn't know how

[00:24:35] yeah and that match was I'm not going to say it was terrible but it was definitely a step down in

[00:24:42] match quality for both of them which again I don't blame either one of them because they were told go

[00:24:47] out there and have a match I blame whoever booked it because I that was foolish yeah they weren't right

[00:24:53] at all no neither one was ready to call a match and speak to Jade Cargo like I know we're

[00:25:02] trying to stay on the AWK right now but I just I can't help let's say you debate she debuted

[00:25:10] at the rumble we're two weeks away from Mania and we've not heard a single thing since from her

[00:25:20] I'm Keeman I touched on this I'm okay with that now there's rumors that she's gonna have a match

[00:25:25] with Naya Jacks at WrestleMania we had the same reaction yes it's what I think I believe what I

[00:25:34] said was if she's ready it'll be awesome I think it's too soon I think if it was next WrestleMania it'd be

[00:25:43] if you're gonna see yeah I promise you now that I'm sure case for her to see like how far they

[00:25:48] know came with her compared to AW not really a match no I mean now that I'm really thinking about it

[00:25:56] and I completely forgot about raw after Mania Smackdown after Mania that's always when people debut

[00:26:03] people come back maybe this what they're saving her for maybe but I also made

[00:26:11] I can't remember I'm not gonna say because I can't remember if it was me or Hakeem who made this point

[00:26:16] or this idea not this point but it might be if Jade is ready they might be putting this match

[00:26:23] together as kind of a middle finger to AEW because it's like yeah you had her for three years

[00:26:29] we had her for a few months and look what we did six months yeah no

[00:26:36] yeah and I've seen some of the she's clearly working her ass off at the performance center which is

[00:26:42] a testament testament to her and I know she was working hard when she was in AEW but I just

[00:26:49] well you all are familiar with the story when they said you're gonna use a chair and she never

[00:26:53] knew how it thank god see him punk was there to tell her how to use a chair but yeah so

[00:27:03] I think if she is yeah I think if she isn't WrestleMania it will be because they want

[00:27:08] to kind of stick it to AEW a little bit yeah I agree but I don't think they will they won't

[00:27:15] her triple H will not put her out there if she's not ready yeah so that's that's comforting so I know

[00:27:22] if we hear Jade Cargill's music she's ready I mean what does that have to wait to see then

[00:27:31] I mean I yeah we'll see we don't have to wait long yeah couple weeks I mean she looked good at the

[00:27:38] rumble I mean I did do much but like what she did do

[00:27:48] and just I just don't have that same facial expression Becky lunch had

[00:27:54] I just I just really really wish the AEW would take a page because like you said in the rumble

[00:27:58] Jade didn't do that much in fact probably the most iconic part was opposed yeah well okay second

[00:28:05] most iconic is she through she threw Naya out right me and Heddle were what's that yeah man

[00:28:12] it'll do okay so probably second most iconic but you know that was her big moment right

[00:28:20] I wish AEW would learn how to utilize because they have

[00:28:25] how AEW has which I also blame Penta for this but I used to love Sero Miyato I loved it

[00:28:33] I thought that she was bad ass and now he does it so often multiple times in match which I know

[00:28:42] when lucha underground he would do it multiple times in a match but now it's like every single time

[00:28:47] he can and now I'm sick of it and that sucks the way he does it now it's more like comic

[00:28:54] that leads to the national like seriousness yes at least in lucha underground the reason it

[00:29:00] seemed bad ass is because it's it seemed like a philosophy and not a catchphrase

[00:29:08] yeah and now and then the glove thing I didn't like the glove thing when he did it the first time

[00:29:15] and now in AEW every time he just in the middle of a match real slow

[00:29:19] and I'm just and I love I'm a huge Pentagon fan huge Pentagon fan but every time I see

[00:29:30] it a die little one Sanca's on my main used to be so cool and I mean you still are but

[00:29:38] I'd love to see Pentagon dark again yeah is he still tag teaming with Phoenix they're still

[00:29:46] lucha brothers we've seen the right Phoenix for the last couple of weeks okay I think I'm

[00:29:52] on for a while like I don't know if he's I don't know if he's injured I just don't know if he's

[00:29:56] booked I haven't seen anything from him I would honestly love get enter take a vacation take

[00:30:03] a paid vacation take a few months away and then come back I love lucha underground Pentagon dark

[00:30:10] and just wreck people I would love to see that maybe I just go back and watch vampire

[00:30:22] versus Pentagon junior at ultimate lucha one that was one of my favorite matches from it's still

[00:30:27] man it's still to this day one of my favorite matches of all time so awesome and it's weird because

[00:30:33] it's it's literally a clinic on how to as you know vampiro's calling the match what pentagon is

[00:30:38] doing an awesome job of covering up the fact that vampiro just can't do certain things anymore but

[00:30:45] you don't think about it because of how well they've structured that match which by the way anyone

[00:30:51] watching if you haven't watched that match yet watch it in fact every ultimate lucha was like a

[00:30:57] solid show and it was on free TV but these are these are pay-per-view caliber shows

[00:31:05] and they were just awesome and I miss lucha underground so much bring it back I hate that I'm sorry like

[00:31:16] towards the end of it seasons I didn't see it from the beginning I went back for a period of time

[00:31:22] it was actually on Netflix the first two seasons I don't know if it still is but I went because I

[00:31:27] I started watching it I wanted to watch it I think I started watching in season no I started

[00:31:35] watching in season one but not at the beginning so I got to go back and watch it from the

[00:31:41] beginning beginning and I'm like man this stuff is so good and like we saw EO Sky there back when

[00:31:47] she was EO Shari yeah ricochet was prince although they didn't call her EO Shari yeah

[00:31:54] um Santos Escobar was King Quarino Brian Cage Brian Cage we saw Brian

[00:32:03] man he was so much cooler lucha underground yep uh we saw Swarth Shriclin yeah yeah he was a

[00:32:12] kill shop I forgot Swarth was in the lucha man he was so small he was man he was I mean he looked

[00:32:22] so small back then you're right I didn't even think about that but yeah it's sort of who knows

[00:32:25] to put on that size man because it yeah they're big improvement let's see who else because there were

[00:32:32] a lot of people I mean I know that was where I first saw in Helico and Jack Evans although Jack Evans

[00:32:37] Jack Evans is no longer there which one of my favorite wrestling moments of all time shout out to

[00:32:42] Unhelico which I believe it was at Ultima lucha it may have been leading up to it but I think it was

[00:32:48] he was the in the Trio's championship which I love this it was son of Habac who is um oh god

[00:32:56] I know his name too Matt Cross M dog Matt Cross evil East and him were thrown together as a Trio's team

[00:33:04] and the story like it seems so random but it worked and evil East was injured

[00:33:11] suitably injured during the bulk of this angle and they made it work but the moment I'm talking

[00:33:18] about is when he and Helico climbs on top of like the office thing and I'm not going to lie it's

[00:33:24] gotta be at least because that ring the ring and lucha underground was probably a 16 footer

[00:33:32] probably six I think it was a 16 by 16 I think it was a 16 by 16 and he was a few feet away from

[00:33:37] the side of the ring so I'm gonna I'm gonna guesstimate 20 feet so I'm gonna know it was more than that

[00:33:45] let's say 25 feet away from what was happening in the ring and I'd say at least

[00:33:53] 15 if not 20 feet in the air and he just dives off the top of this building and cross bodies

[00:34:01] and hits it perfect but for that lucha underground did a great job of always being acrobatic in

[00:34:10] matches but saving the really big stuff for when it mattered yeah they didn't do like every single

[00:34:16] time every single match you know I mean they did they did crazy stuff every match but it was stuff

[00:34:20] that these particular guys could do in their sleep yeah like those lucha doors can all do springboard

[00:34:28] moon salts they can probably do a hundred in a row and you know it's it's nothing to them but

[00:34:36] and then we even saw Ray Mysterio for a bit in lucha underground that was cool

[00:34:42] was this eight raros uh door in there too for me I think so I can't remember

[00:34:51] I cannot remember life of me what name she was yeah it was a little bit oh we saw thunder rosa

[00:34:55] that was her uh television debut for wrestling he was a cobra moon we saw lucha source was there

[00:35:01] is vibra although he didn't last particularly long he got killed off

[00:35:06] didn't chavo i think it's just chavo was there for a bit yeah chavo was there for a minute

[00:35:15] um sexy star before she got blacklisted for good reason but

[00:35:19] let's see who else because there were there were a lot of end then fenix obviously

[00:35:28] but yeah there were so many just it was great and then there's guys that still work in AAA

[00:35:34] that were there but are obviously not on a w or american television which I think I think the

[00:35:40] fact that drogo is an on american television is a travesty yeah it's probably his size though

[00:35:46] that's got to be it does he was he was on the shorter side but

[00:35:53] yeah but he could do so much that was that's our trago was

[00:35:56] trago and aro star both were phenomenal but i got i got to think it's their size

[00:36:03] well guys on that note

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[00:38:32] okay Brian you can go now see you guys see yeah you see a Brian

[00:38:39] but yeah we'll we'll be wrapping it up soon too because i really don't unless you can think of

[00:38:43] anything i really don't have much else to say about Mercedes we'll see we'll see and this is

[00:38:50] one of those cases i hope i'm wrong i hope i'm dead wrong i hope Mercedes brings them back

[00:38:54] above the 1 million viewership mark i didn't true i just don't see it like

[00:39:01] machines in w2 she had so much help no to elevate her mattress but on her own

[00:39:08] helps you yeah i mean i'm not i'm not trying to dig at her but i mean but i mean then we've

[00:39:16] we've seen it like yeah and i try not to comment on the actual work in the ring because i've never

[00:39:23] wrestled so i criticize the hell out of booking that's why that's why that's why Brian's

[00:39:29] helpful because Brian has wrestled so he can give a little bit more insight on certain things but

[00:39:33] i will criticize the hell out of booking because storytelling is huge and also universal you don't

[00:39:41] have to be an author to know a bad story when you see one yeah like she was part of one my favorite

[00:39:47] women's to matches it was with her and how in the cell is Charlotte i love that match but

[00:39:54] i don't see that that particular like Sasha anymore nope and one of my favorite matches with her

[00:40:01] again NXT was her match with Becky Lynch i forget which takeover it was but it was one yeah

[00:40:05] that was pretty good too it was so good and not only was the match great the story was phenomenal

[00:40:12] because i was back when Sasha was a heel

[00:40:16] yes she plays best as a hill i never liked her as the baby face

[00:40:24] i mean i'd like to earn up as a baby baby face but

[00:40:29] and some matches maybe but um to me she's like the have a natural hill

[00:40:41] yeah i will i will admit and when i first started watching NXT it was right in the middle of them

[00:40:44] doing the Sasha Sasha's ratchet chance okay so i got to remember i don't know what's going on

[00:40:51] and i had known about the word ratchet for maybe a month so i'm old i was old then and i'm old now

[00:41:01] i actually had the worst dad joke ever i'd be like that's not a ratchet that's a ratchet

[00:41:11] but yeah hopefully hopefully hopefully i'm wrong

[00:41:17] yeah because like it seems like every way the woman cheap um um to me brings in then die out within

[00:41:25] like a marto i remember what happened to uh what was that girl Tyler dogry oh tia

[00:41:33] have a see her yeah yeah yeah yeah and so here fun fact it's not tia where did i see oh no

[00:41:42] in lucha underground is where i first saw tia about her phenomenal in lucha underground and

[00:41:48] then she went to tna and she was great there ever since she came to NXT when she was frankey monee

[00:41:58] i have not seen the old tia i don't know what happened it wasn't that big of a gap and there

[00:42:03] wasn't an injury that i know of i mean tia valkary used to be she used to be one of my favorite

[00:42:10] wrestlers the watch because she was so damn good um i don't know what happened

[00:42:17] i don't know it's something ticayal of her for a bit maybe yeah

[00:42:22] tia or something well in NXT she was really not doing in ring stuff at least not that i

[00:42:27] remember all yes sure yeah there wasn't really using her much maybe at least her uh no we're

[00:42:32] which fun fun fact when when when i heard her name was gonna be frankey monee in NXT i knew she

[00:42:37] wasn't gonna last long because i'm like that name sucks yeah it's it's terrible it didn't fail

[00:42:44] no no no it was uh quite bad and i guess what is what is johnny going by these days johnny tv

[00:42:51] i think is what they called him oh yeah yeah he's changing i'm fine with him changing it

[00:42:57] it's kind of it's kind of cool but what johnny tv johnny elite which is what he actually when

[00:43:03] he first came into a w that's what they called him yeah why why johnny johnny gv that's so lame

[00:43:15] how am i why they have to change something make something worse there was already perfect i don't

[00:43:20] know i'm hoping it wasn't him but i don't know that's another guy why is he not on television

[00:43:26] he still works there apparently he was ringside with like is i'm not really sure what their status is

[00:43:36] per se but i'd be honest i don't really understand why he's not in wwe they brought him back for a

[00:43:42] minute and then they released him yeah i don't know and i got to say because john john henna

[00:43:50] is his real name dude is hilarious he did he did a movie a while back which i think he actually

[00:43:57] helped produce it i could be wrong on that boon the bounty hunter i heard it but i never saw it oh my

[00:44:05] it is so like it's it's dumb but in the best way i for him this is my favorite moment which is

[00:44:13] just my sense of humor because stupid lines just prank me up he's he tackles a guy and punches

[00:44:18] him and he's like where's eddie or where's rica or something whatever and he's like he's up to

[00:44:24] stairs like the guy's not resisting at all he's like he's up to stairs and then he punches him and

[00:44:27] again and goes where are the stairs oh god but yeah the guy's hilarious and then the bits he was doing

[00:44:37] back in wwecw when he and the miz got put together which whose ever idea that was

[00:44:43] and they were doing the dirt sheet yeah slow motion oh you know what actually i remember actually

[00:44:52] i heard miz talking about that that was their idea because they were told they were basically

[00:44:56] told they were on the chopping block and they said are they weren't on the chopping block they

[00:45:00] weren't being given matches on tv yeah so they said give us a camera and then they do that

[00:45:09] and they got over like that and it was so good

[00:45:17] yeah i would i would love to see gone morison back in wwe put him back and do a trios thing with

[00:45:24] him and our truth it'd be great miz our truth and morison i'd be really good it'd be man it'd be over

[00:45:32] in a second yeah it would be

[00:45:38] and truth can do a bit we was like how do you do that thing where you make everything move so

[00:45:42] when he's like it only works in the entrance man i love to be able to do that do it

[00:45:50] just like i said i don't know how they can make our truth simultaneously like

[00:45:54] one of the most loved people on tv and the dumbest at the same time

[00:45:59] he's the only one i could say i could wash and like he knows how that he mastered it perfectly

[00:46:05] yeah because i think he just commits to it well enough because he never takes me out of it

[00:46:12] uh-huh like the bit with the royal rumble that should have infuriated me but i loved it

[00:46:17] totally the part where you said you say tell me those are all women

[00:46:27] right i'm no and like if if frustrates me somewhat because i cannot explain why that doesn't annoy me

[00:46:35] i guess it has to be just because truth is so good about keeping the bit

[00:46:40] but it's like it's funny because in my in my head my head cannon for this is like why i don't

[00:46:44] it's like why is he there why is he not been fired and it's got to be because like the boss just

[00:46:49] loves it the boss loves watching him be a doofus that's why i heard i heard like vents really like them

[00:46:57] i know for a fact that yeah i know apparently vents was a big fan of little jimmy

[00:47:03] yeah yeah yeah that's why i heard too yeah what you you know because like i'll be honest i

[00:47:11] and i think somebody said this the whole reason gold dust Tourette's gimmick lasted as long as it

[00:47:15] did was because it cracked everyone up yeah and honestly i know it's not politically correct i don't

[00:47:23] care that shit's funny it was but it's not like it's not offensive because it's not real Tourette's

[00:47:32] is he got it because he got electrocuted like it's not it's not even close to real Tourette's

[00:47:37] it's it's it's in the car car car bottles

[00:47:48] i love watching that he does that in his when he says that he's in the ring with triple H and

[00:47:53] look flare and they can't they can't hold it together well as you know dustin is because

[00:47:59] dustin's actually a really funny guy you know he just does that brrr you did that sound just

[00:48:04] to make triple H break i'm convinced you can't you can't tell me otherwise he saw him breaking to

[00:48:12] it's like him and our truth are really good they did a bit

[00:48:20] gold dust and our truth did a bit there for a minute oh yeah it is yeah yeah for

[00:48:25] wow there was tag teams golden truth wasn't it yeah go yeah yeah yeah oh man that was

[00:48:30] not having a book or team up that was really good it's so believable that Damian

[00:48:38] priests would want to have our truth around like that's it it just worked it's like you funny

[00:48:45] i could see that speaking of them like i was hoping that judgment day like i like them but

[00:48:54] i just hate the comment routine with them too you know i was there was more like a uh i don't know

[00:49:01] strong presence or almost kind of like the dark i was gonna say dark or the other one

[00:49:07] i was to black house of black i was hoping it would be more closest to like that but it seems like every time

[00:49:16] they get that way then they throw something outside like a comment relief

[00:49:21] yeah i i i forget the uh the other guy that they added i wasn't a fan of his at first but

[00:49:29] yeah i'm okay with it now because he's honestly they had to replace their punching bag is what

[00:49:35] happened because dom was their punching bag but then dom got over so i kind of get it

[00:49:40] at the time i was like what are they doing but it's like oh yeah dom is no longer the punching bag

[00:49:44] dom is actually which i was over too i was up the fact that he got booted his own wedding

[00:49:52] i loved it would you get it was probably a bit but it was still funny he's trying to give his speech

[00:50:01] like this is fantastic i love it

[00:50:07] oh but anyway yes so i don't i don't have anything more to add for Sasha other than i hope

[00:50:12] i'm wrong i hope i'm wrong about a lot of things i hope a w can get their shit together and

[00:50:19] i think part of the problem now is i think honestly they have too many shows

[00:50:24] i think so i think they need to let's cut one more and just they need to get yeah they need to

[00:50:29] get rid of rampage well actually no yeah they need to get rid of rampage because like

[00:50:36] pollution because this Saturday you know but apparently i have yeah that when you don't have

[00:50:44] CM punk to anchor it Saturdays are really bad night to have wrestling on but

[00:50:52] i mean apparently more than brothers discovery wants it so

[00:50:56] i don't really blame them for keeping it around but i guess like you have the talent pool just make

[00:51:00] it better really yeah that's the thing it's not the talent it's the book that's exactly that's it

[00:51:08] and what i've kind of envisioned for them is you got you've got dynamite and not ramp you got dynamite

[00:51:13] collision that are like legit wrestling shows rampage is an hour rampage is where you can

[00:51:19] Tony con can book rampage absolutely because it's it's just random but if you use if you use

[00:51:26] rampage correctly what you do is you try things out and see if you can make anything organic happen

[00:51:32] from it like rampages your what if show at least if i were if i were doing it because an hour's not

[00:51:39] it's enough time to tell stories it is and i guess you're gonna have some me and a but rampage

[00:51:46] rampages just become the new dark but rampages where you know you think somebody's ready for tv

[00:51:52] so you put them on rampage but put them with somebody that's experienced that they're never gonna get a match

[00:51:58] with on dynamite but yeah you can put a um i know nick Wayne is on the roster now but let's

[00:52:06] let's pretend that nick Wayne was just a viewing that's when you can put a nick Wayne with a Christian

[00:52:14] exactly you know just to see like there in his team almost i mean it really yeah it really like

[00:52:20] i said it's kind of become their new dark which for a while dark elevation was actually really

[00:52:24] because that's what they were doing when they were when they were doing dark elevation at the beginning

[00:52:30] the whole point seemed to be to elevate younger talent so they would put the newer talent in there

[00:52:34] with experienced people that weren't on the top of the card but you know mid to high mid card

[00:52:40] they would put them in there that's where you'd get like a um um i can't remember her name now

[00:52:46] but she's on the roster now too well i mean red velvet got introduced on i believe dark elevation

[00:52:52] she was yeah yeah what she got also a dina she was there too for bed

[00:52:58] yeah a thina you know yeah but well thina's in ring of honor now wouldn't she

[00:53:02] yeah they move her out there but she was there for good bit like she was just not with dark matches

[00:53:07] yeah which that's i forgot about ring of honor that's another thing i'm not even saying Tony

[00:53:13] i don't think Tony Khan should sell it because it's worth the video library but it really

[00:53:18] should be on its own network because he's demonstrated that he can't book it either

[00:53:26] who was i i actually have i actually hypothesized um i can't remember who i said

[00:53:32] damn i wish i could remember because i was like

[00:53:36] shit i cannot remember but somebody somebody who works for a w and i said let them book ring of honor

[00:53:41] just give it give it to them i think it might have been i think it was christopher daniel's

[00:53:48] oh yeah absolutely yeah which i mean perfection

[00:53:54] yeah yeah give it to christopher daniel's to book

[00:53:57] frankly like just do it like ring of honor used to be don't go well you don't want to go too

[00:54:04] into where ring of honor used to be because there's a reason that the company ended up selling but

[00:54:09] i blame sin claire for that honestly yeah they have the money but since they never like

[00:54:15] care for ring of honor or put any money into it or stock into it

[00:54:22] yeah but now because ring of honor's issue was always money though now they have the money

[00:54:27] so just and again for people that like that style of wrestling

[00:54:33] that would be so great i'll be honest i was i was never like a hard core hard core ring of honor fan

[00:54:38] because it seemed to be more about matches than stories and again that's just i know there are people

[00:54:43] that are definitely like that and they like that kind of wrestling i'm more of a stories guy but

[00:54:47] that's fine and that should exist for the people that like it so give it to them that's all i'm saying

[00:54:54] when i first saw ring of honor i saw um lia rush

[00:54:58] yeah it made me a fan of his when i first saw his match it was less about the storyline but the

[00:55:03] match itself is so good yeah i've always been impressed with lia rushes uh in ring ability

[00:55:11] something but like his a w run was pathetic but again i don't really blame him and the matches were great

[00:55:18] but they just didn't they couldn't figure out what they wanted to do with them

[00:55:22] like he had a he had a killer match with i believe it was dante martin

[00:55:27] that sounds right and i'm god that was phenomenal especially if you like high flying matches

[00:55:33] like that was great it was really good lia rushes leg sweep is

[00:55:40] fr aesthetically it's one of the coolest moves i don't know how he does it

[00:55:45] it's so subtle but he like i can't even explain it just watch it like watch lia rushes leg sweeps

[00:55:54] it's it's crazy like i don't know how he physically can do that it's more like a break dancing move

[00:56:01] but it has it has umph to it yeah that was exactly like again i can't really if you know you know

[00:56:09] yeah but you can't really describe it's just like oh it's like a lia rush leg sweep

[00:56:14] yeah exactly it's his own thing like i never seen someone else replicate it and do it as well

[00:56:20] as he did do it well and lia rush was a genius because he's spoiler alert lia rushes not a tall guy

[00:56:27] yeah so he started doing low offensive moves

[00:56:34] and he looked totally different than everybody else

[00:56:37] hey what's rock star spud doing these days

[00:56:43] i haven't seen him in like i haven't either since you got fired from

[00:56:47] and hired again yeah man that was a culture shock when i saw nick all this on wwe

[00:56:56] as as of as a freaking manager though not a manager GM

[00:57:01] GM yeah did he get injured or something

[00:57:04] he did like oh okay okay that explains it that explains it because i was like you're gonna hire

[00:57:12] you're gonna hire nick all this and not have a manager like when they hired him but he's injured now

[00:57:17] like with like a torn pack or something like that yeah i that was weird i didn't think he was

[00:57:23] injured when they hired him like you're gonna hire nick all this and not have him wrestle

[00:57:27] yeah i understand why were they having a message you know i thought maybe he was retired or

[00:57:33] didn't want to wrestle or something i mean maybe maybe but i don't know

[00:57:43] to me i don't see my mom and coley would be like that it's a good storyline from there if they have

[00:57:48] history that that's assuming ww would want to acknowledge that which i don't know why you wouldn't

[00:57:53] just yeah nw a well yeah but i mean i'll put it this way i think triple h would love to

[00:57:59] acknowledge it because we are triple h is actually being in w a fan he's on record saying this um

[00:58:06] but yeah i can see why they probably wouldn't considering they don't own in w a but do you really

[00:58:12] think billie gorgon's gonna be like no you absolutely cannot mention the nwa title on wwe television

[00:58:18] of course you can like really yeah if i'm billie gorgon i'm like hey you do you guys you want to

[00:58:26] borrow a bell like you can totally use it if you want to actually doesn't

[00:58:33] know it's not it's not the nwa belt triple h paid like i'm seeing him out of money for an old

[00:58:38] title i cannot remember which one it was it's not i'm thinking nwa but it's not i think it's the wccw

[00:58:45] maybe oh probably i think it's got a blue strap or it might have been yeah i think it was world class

[00:58:53] it could be wrong internet internet fans let me know because i'm like 50% sure i'm wrong but

[00:59:00] i do know that he paid a lot of money to have a title in his possession

[00:59:06] which is cool but uh yeah i think we're rambling now so we can probably wrap it up

[00:59:12] uh thanks everybody for enjoying this episode down the middle i know it was a little bit

[00:59:16] shorter than normal but schedules what are you gonna do we hopped on a little early for you so

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