Down The Middle Episode 73: AEW Delusion

[00:00:13] Might help if I switch to the review. Welcome everyone to Down The Middle, as always that was loud. As always I am your host Jake and I'm joined by this What your name's not Brian? I'm sorry. I had my other intro queueed up. I was gonna save the

[00:00:27] The non Hawaiian other podcasting lion But your name's not Brian. I'm joined by the team everyone you remember I can Already, oh hang on Can you say something for me, Hakeem? Yeah, I'm there. You hear me? We're about to find out

[00:01:05] Okay, there you are. I don't know why I didn't period before I guess the volume wasn't up enough no big Already everyone welcome to Down The Middle this episode is brought to you by

[00:01:15] Part of your Broadway world podcast another member not a number. I don't know what an number is But it's not that. Another member of the RTA podcast pantheon We'll talk a little bit more about them later, but first there's some business so Part of certain

[00:01:33] The segment of certain podcasts that I do is the section I like to call what did we fuck up What you really knew and There's one that has been going on a key for getting But most more recently uploaded a clip of a previous show

[00:01:48] And I made an error So I'm going to adjust those real quick. So the first one is on our TNA new Japan episode or no I believe it was the episode prior. I have made mention of TNA doing something with the shell of the former

[00:02:03] Lucha underground Lucha as Teca I was incorrect. It's not TNA. It's MLW, but they are doing that. I just got my company's gross And then the other one and this is I don't know if this makes it better or worse necessarily

[00:02:20] I mentioned in that same video clip actually or the video clip. I just uploaded recently I said that a.e. W paper views were too long

[00:02:30] Well, it turns out there are run times are actually pretty similar to what WWE's putting out around the three three and a half hour mark

[00:02:39] I don't know what to do about right though, but that's what I said. I I I found I checked the last two years worth the paper views and they were on average three to three and a half hours

[00:02:49] In particular the paper view that I was complaining about double or nothing 2020. Three I believe it was yeah Three hours 38 minutes Really? It felt like a five hour six hour. I thought it was I thought it was and wow

[00:03:07] I don't know if that is better or worse for AEW the fact that oh, I was wrong about your runtime or that a three and a half hour paper view feels like five six hours Yeah, it was like it's dragging on forever

[00:03:24] And I wouldn't even for that short. Yeah, and I wouldn't even consider that paper view terribly bad Like there were handful of matches. I didn't really care about but all in all

[00:03:33] I mean CM Punk was in the main event mjf finally got his come up and against word low I mean there wasn't I mean pre show match done count because that's usually yeah But I wouldn't say there was a bad match on the card

[00:03:46] There was just a lot of fluff that I didn't really care about But that's kind of indicative to a W's problem when you say Pretty much yeah a lot of a lot of their TV segments just feels like they're filling time

[00:03:58] Which makes no sense but so those are the things that I messed up So today's gonna be another a w bitching session as you probably Inferred from the title dear viewer but in particular

[00:04:17] The other day I uploaded a short to our YouTube channel entitled Tony Con is an idiot And it's where I went on my diet try about how how do the young bucks still have jobs Because they sold to their boss and the comment section is just

[00:04:37] You know how when somebody doesn't understand like they're saying stuff and they're proving you right with every word They say but they don't realize it So the comment section so we've got

[00:04:53] A and C Donald A E W tribal hate channel 132. I'll get round you all eventually now explain when Vince died And showed up on raw a week later losers Okay, I will explain it to you Fun fact though this and actually this is somewhat serendipitous around that time

[00:05:15] I actually had another internet show That dealt with pro wrestling called weekly wrestling rap up. This was back when it was only W w Inteney We addressed that on that show and we said it was the dumbest fucking thing we've ever seen on

[00:05:32] So I would like to and I shouldn't have to clarify this Which by the way for the person who called me a gym cornet cost player? I thank you

[00:05:46] I take it as a compliment although I don't always agree. I don't always agree with gym cornet generally speaking with wrestling I mean he was in the business for over 30 years so he would know much better than I but

[00:05:59] Yeah, I grew with a lot of things with him not everything but I love the book and I do agree Well, and I there are I've heard gym say some things that like just from my perception

[00:06:11] And I'll be the first to admit I'm probably wrong with a lot of stuff that I talk about because I'm not in this industry I'm just a fan. I've watched it for a very long time On the rare occasions I disagree with them

[00:06:21] It seems like it's more of a preference thing because yes, he'll give like a suggestion I'll be like, I don't know that feels a little old school to me, but that makes sense No 100% good for such he loves that in WA type error or legends type error

[00:06:38] Well, but what's what's funny is I'd be willing to bet that if I I had been watching wrestling at that time I probably would have loved it too and I've gone back and watched like WWE had a documentary on peacock

[00:06:50] There was the history of the WWE championship. It's not what I thought it was But I still really enjoyed it and they showed clips of some of those old matches and I'm like honestly I kind of want to watch this match because

[00:07:05] They let you in on what the story was going into it and my only disappointment with the iron claw movie was that I didn't I can't remember because I went to the bathroom so I can't remember

[00:07:17] And I could kick myself. I couldn't remember if they didn't put it in the movie or if it was just lackluster The when they did carry-on error versus Rick Flair for the title Okay, I vaguely remember it. I like I sorry about it

[00:07:31] I think it didn't I think it didn't touch on it because I think I went back and watched yeah I went back and watched the clip on the internet But guess what it made me want to go back and watch the original match and Holy shit

[00:07:45] It was great I absolutely would have been a fan of the Vaughan error because if I'd been growing up In Texas and watching wrestling in Texas at that time Yeah, absolutely I absolutely would have been a world-class fan

[00:07:57] Like and honestly like you see a lot of recycled angles and like there's a reason because it was pretty good stuff Yeah, it still works. Yeah, it still works and then we got Spugo Once a work and once a shoot brother welcome to wrestling

[00:08:19] Oh, so I'm sorry. I didn't explain myself so I shouldn't have to explain this but just because I criticize AEW Does it mean that I automatically think something that WWE or another company does is good?

[00:08:34] I'm criticizing AEW and a vacuum and a lot of my criticisms are pro wrestling like Benji and I used to have this before Benji past Benji was the first co-host on the show

[00:08:50] He and I would have the same sort of debate where he'd be like well, that's just wrestling. I'm like, it still doesn't make sense Yeah, yeah And I have to spend it just but leave for a little bit by some angles it really doesn't make sense

[00:09:05] It's when they get to ridiculous like I suspend my disbelief enough So like oh, why didn't this man fire see Vosk? Because Steve Austin was bringing in millions of dollars. Yeah That I get I can I can believe that

[00:09:22] 100% because there are people on a daily basis who deal with pains in the ass They bring in a lot less money than Austin, but they bring in money so you just deal with it, right? And like yeah, it's a little on the absurd but

[00:09:36] It makes sense in the logic that they had set up What does it make sense? Is firing someone and making a spectall of see I wouldn't have the same criticism if they didn't air They're dirty laundry out on live television and a desperate toy to get ratings

[00:09:54] That's where because if they had not acknowledged on air that CM Punk was fired I wouldn't have this criticism Yeah In the logic that they have established in their own television show Assolting someone backstage

[00:10:13] Well get you fired which is why after that happened I said I said this after brawl out I said well you can't have any backstage Attacks anymore Yeah, you can't do it because unless you want to go through the trouble of on air

[00:10:31] Suspensions or fines or whatever and I mean they But it's like they didn't think at all about the what the ramification and I know what's a change in wrestling mentality But that's the problem because I know k-faves dead, but when k-fave died The business changed because

[00:10:55] Why don't the k-fave shouldn't be dead because again even though we all we all know it's not real now It's still presented in a way That to be in a game because like I know the Starship Enterprise isn't actually Slying around or floating around propelling around

[00:11:17] I don't know Yeah moving around the galaxy But the show establishes a logic that is consistent within the show for the most part Star Trek does goofy shit too, but Like within the context I was well I haven't been watching

[00:11:40] Haven't been watching the new series. I almost started watching strange new worlds I almost did but then I saw they did a musical episode and I said yes the disinqueons Like it was hard and don't be wrong. I love musicals, which actually that's a perfect segue

[00:11:57] So I'm gonna talk about the sponsor now, but I love musicals I love them They don't belong in Star Trek The scrolls musical episode was great What what They made it make sense in the context of their show and when the character for those who haven't watched

[00:12:15] Scrubs the character that had the brain Was in an aneurysm? I can't remember she had something in her brain That was making her perceive everyone was singing when she wasn't in a scene they weren't singing and dancing

[00:12:27] Yeah, it made me sense they followed their logic but speaking of musicals They came or you're fan of musicals. I don't think I've ever asked you this before Um, some you live in New York Yeah, some this was I see some some like the Lion King and

[00:12:42] Okay, well that's a perfect segue because if you like musicals and you like Disney you definitely want to check out Part of your Broadway world Forget the cameras reversed so I think I'm moving left and I'm moving right the host Haley

[00:12:56] Why some month will regale you with special guests or commentary on all the happenings of Musical theater and Disney and Actually I'm kind of jealous of her because she and the goose bumps her podcast have been just nailing it with their guests Most recently she had

[00:13:13] Person who was involved in the into Indiana Jones stunt spectacular Show at Disney world and I'm like I don't know how she's getting these people But I'm not asking questions because it's just pumping those numbers up baby

[00:13:28] But yes, so while you're watching your wrestling podcast have your wife or girlfriend or boyfriend or whatever you choose to snuggle up with late at night No judgment

[00:13:37] And have them watch the a part of your Broadway world podcast that way the leave you alone while you're enjoying your wrestling podcast and like share and subscribe Dammit Anyway So as far as once the work once the shoot brother

[00:13:54] I think I pretty well already address that yes, I understand the difference when we're gonna shoot though Is when you do a work shoot? It's got to be consistent with the logic of the show

[00:14:04] Yeah, and this isn't the first time I need W's done this by the way they've been doing it Realistically since day one and it's because I Think this is partially the box because in the very early days. I used to watch being the elite religiously

[00:14:21] And they did a gag which I actually found I actually found funny They did a gag where they did a backstage brawl and it was it was genuinely funny

[00:14:30] Because but it was making fun of wrestling it's two wrestlers you just started wrestling company and we're making fun of wrestling Is they start doing a backstage brawl but then out of like the camera pulls out and Scorpio skies part of it

[00:14:41] But he's wearing just a towel like he's like he had just been in this genuinely funny gag problem is though It now ruins the legit in the to see if any backstage brawl that you do if you showed that on television

[00:14:56] This was on YouTube so it's it's whatever, but I Mean they constantly and then So let's let's point out to here Tony Khan sustained a neck injury From taking taking the world's safest pile driver and

[00:15:16] Then I think it was two or three weeks later on dynamite orange Cassidy takes a spike pile driver on the steel steps any spine Yeah, walk away fine like immediately no selling no nothing. I mean Really

[00:15:37] Yeah, I guess they could say he's a wrestler so he knows how to take a bump But still And for something I mean I guess that's my point though is you have to explain your way out of it because the premise is so absurd

[00:16:00] But let's review some more of these eight comments shall we now there's Jim Cornette cost house player thanks clank With your I believe it's a chicken run profile pic That looks like that art style anyway. Then we got Patrick shade 3844

[00:16:20] People missing the point the point isn't that it's a work the point is the works are inconsistent and low IQ Oh, yes, so this is the comment I liked because it's like thank you In the words of John Cena like a broken needle kid you're missing the point

[00:16:34] Because I'm not even saying the angle I never said the angle in and of itself was bad per se. It's the execution Yeah, because I'm Oh, it absolutely would because like I wanted suggestions I made assuming he's into it of course Is if they done that to shed

[00:16:53] At Tony's direction except Tony can't play a heel at all so this wouldn't have worked but like or if they'd done it to shad so that okay Shad doesn't need to be on TV that means Tony can be on TV and be like you fuckers

[00:17:05] You hurt my father blah blah blah blah blah You know that would have worked or I'm actually playing in my mind. I think this may have been what Tony wanted to do with CM punk But then Things didn't work well

[00:17:20] I'm I'm imagining this playing out with CM punk and it's It's honestly way better Like it's way better I don't know the punk would have gone for it because I mean it's How do I say this without coming off?

[00:17:39] Even better or harder like even if you had him in it if they built it up But what did I say when oh, God I went to AEW? What did I say he pal around with the young bucks and they want to do shit with them?

[00:17:52] Who yeah, we need to go up the curtain little title Okay, who cares? He just I just finished watching dynamite from this week. He defended against DAX harwood and admittedly very talented Tag team wrestler six wasn't gonna win that bill Of course, then

[00:18:10] That's the other problem with AEW is like when they do make matches like most of them are obvious Yeah, it's a little too pretty free to go like you know you're going to run to that sometimes but still

[00:18:24] Well, but the thing the thing of it is is they'll have a predictable match, but it'll be competitive. It's kind of like when um Yeah Swords Ricklin just won the AEW title and the end of match against Kyle Fletcher that was 20 mint of 15 minutes

[00:18:39] Sorry, that should have been like a five six minute match. Yeah Everyone wait too long swirfs Ricklin beat Samoa Joe for the title and Kyle Fletcher who not

[00:18:53] Dogan on him as a performer, but in the context of how he's been booked and he's also I think it's tag team partners injured But when he was brought into the company. He was a tag team wrestling You know, so it's kind of like why

[00:19:09] Like it doesn't make sense in then a Tony storm just and granted it was a non title matchup And actually I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hate on that match too much because now that I'm thinking about it

[00:19:18] It wasn't too long although it was a multi segment match and it shouldn't have been so yeah I will dog on it. I don't even know who this girl was I can't remember her name. She's supposedly part of the outcast, but I don't yeah

[00:19:33] So her but have you or their help or name is yeah, but a multi segment picture and picture match with the women's world champion Against now if it had been like Sereya

[00:19:45] Which I think maybe Sereya's not clear to read but you know what I'm saying like somebody who Obviously can't be Sereya indeed because they've got a match coming up at double or nothing

[00:19:56] Which I'm I'm debating. I don't think I'll watch that too because I'm also very disappointed with what they're doing with Will Osprey Like I Am not sure anybody bookin really good No in the past three weeks or so three months Oh, yeah So to illustrate my point here

[00:20:20] I will say before I'll say again. I want to love a W. I want a W to succeed. Hell. I Think I still I want to be a young bucks fan I don't think I can but like Jason point I went to five bookstores

[00:20:38] When this came out and couldn't find it and I got the Where's it that? You say it's the sign edition right? Yeah, so I went to five bookstores because I didn't want to wait for Amazon there it is yeah Got that

[00:20:55] So I want to be a young bucks fan. It's actually a really good book. I do recommend it. It's a very good book But like they just make it so damn hard and they can't act sorry guys you can't act for shit so stop trying

[00:21:12] And just just because you make your voice breathy and they That doesn't make you a villain that that just it it's not working quit it Please stop and then we got to E-World War law It's not real for fuck's sake I think go bo said we don't care

[00:21:39] Brian Brian Delgado Says called shitty writing yes, sir. It is Actually I would say it's no writing because a lot of this does kind of seem like they're making it up segment by segment because you'll also notice The shows really don't have like a

[00:21:59] What you call that like a flow to the flow? Yeah, it's not really It's kind of random yeah, yeah, but this drunk it like is Whoever comes random I would bingo hat

[00:22:12] Thanks, so it's like the south park episode with a family guy writers with the manatees and the idea ball Actually you know what that's fairly apropos because let I'll tell you what let's we're gonna do a little experiment here to see if this works

[00:22:26] So I'm gonna pull up the A-W roster page And actually we'll we'll do this again in a real week as I have like a randomized We'll app that I can use to perfectly illustrate my point here

[00:22:46] But okay, let's let's play a game here. Okay. We're gonna have we're gonna open the show with a tag team match with Lee Johnson and Mark Quinn against Max Caster and Mark Davis who's injured he can't be on there and Daddy magic

[00:23:13] Matt Minard and then a singles between Mark brisco And Matt Taven well that's a ring of honor match They both have ring of honor belts There's some people I didn't really know it still was in there like oh believe you me

[00:23:41] I want to we might we we might do this next time Brian and I ages ago went through the A-W roster and did and we did a basically like would we keep them firearm or like drastically change

[00:23:58] Like it'd be a keep but drastically change what they're doing because it sucks And I think we should do that again maybe next time Because this this roster page keeps getting bigger but honestly it's getting filled with names that I'm like

[00:24:13] I either don't know who they are or yeah didn't know they were like I didn't know How does the Spanish announced project and how it goes not even Spanish? I

[00:24:26] Know he was in a lot he I know he was performing in Mexico. I get it but it doesn't but like really Are you a devari he doesn't does he even wrestle there? He did well he was part of that big once team Yeah

[00:24:43] It was how the fuck is Bishop Khan Yeah, that's like I know who Brian and of who Brian he is they have that boxer that like Anthony a go go Yeah, they still have him like one match Well, you know what though and that's believe it or not

[00:25:08] I actually said that was somebody I would keep but I would drastically change what they were doing Like yeah Absolutely Because like I and I know this is gonna It's gonna trigger some people but WWE's approach of getting athletes

[00:25:24] And training them to be pro wrestlers is actually extremely effective and this goes back to the Technically it goes back to the 90s but really like when they started to boom Up there developmental system with OVW

[00:25:39] Like they've been doing that before but that's when I think it really like they they perfected their Methods and then you have like there's a ton of names. You Chad Gable Tiffany Shratten the former You know like competitive gymnast you've got people like I Think even Otis

[00:25:58] Yeah, does think Otis was an amateur SR though. Don't quote me on that and have to look that up but Jason Jordan but obviously he got injured but he still appeared he went through the developmental system

[00:26:11] And like yeah, I know they went through and signed a bunch of indie guys, but You know there's a ton of brawn well no brawn I know Brian Breaker wasn't athlete

[00:26:18] But he was he's connected to a wrestling family. So yeah, oh yeah, you have that guy played football even tell by how he's played football Pretty football hard But I mean it's like and and so somebody like Anthony a go go if he's hooked properly Already has legitimacy

[00:26:38] Sipping into that ring is a boxer But AW will turn him into a submission wrestler It's like he's a boxer It's like they don't use their own strengths with them. They use it against them

[00:26:55] No, actually I take that back they won't turn him into submission. As they'd have him doing moon salts See that wasn't a joke Then then we got to Don't matter 96 takes bro's learning the difference between a real situation and a storyline But it's okay Someone had a retort

[00:27:21] He's like you're learning that if you try to work shoe everything you do people will apply logic to it Now to mention TK made punk's firing a TV moment opening the door for it

[00:27:31] Which I actually didn't see that comment before but yeah, that's it's literally what we said at the start of the show I forgot Bob A2 chains. It's called a wrestling storyline bud It tartar sod says and it's trash

[00:27:53] Then this is what happens when you apply logic to an illogical situation It's pro wrestling it's never made sense. That's not true Pro wrestling actually used to make sense if you you know forget things like the undertaker Yeah, but even then so

[00:28:08] So well, but okay, but here's the thing here's the thing I'm talking about Certainly by the ruthless aggression era Technically Technically But they didn't actually expect you to believe that he was dead

[00:28:25] Right it was a moniker and they actually did it perfectly because how do you get away with the gimmick like the undertaker You don't explain it. It just has an aura about it. He could be and which they were doing it with Alistair Black

[00:28:40] When he was in he's just a spooky guy Maybe he had paranormal powers but they never actually did backstage segments showing it I sure you don't know But they never talked about it. They just had an aura

[00:28:56] They didn't turn the lights out every time he went to the ring sometimes he would just wrestle imagine that Yeah, I miss seeing him wrestle oh I want him to go back I want him to go back to the end And I obviously can't speak for him

[00:29:15] but I got the sense That when triple H took the reins back And like I I almost got this impression instantly because if you recall this was back when he said

[00:29:27] Like he was selling a contract and he was like at one point he asked for his release and they said no, but he was like I don't think I want to wrestle anymore And I was like no I think you want to go back to WWE

[00:29:40] Yeah, I haven't shown him. He'll be the next one Well, and it makes I think he's waiting for his contract to run out because I can even tell when he's in the ring like again I might be reading it wrong

[00:29:52] I don't mean phone it in in a bad way But I do kind of get the sense that it's kind of like okay. I have to go I have to go do this thing Yeah, this isn't in the beginning if I like he enjoyed it more

[00:30:06] I'll give us more him history but now I feel like he's I'm being forced to do it, but I'm doing contractually obligated to do But and again it makes sense because like when he came to AEW he had gotten release so it's like okay

[00:30:26] I need to work and at the time his wife had been released prior to him Or think no I think I think she got released later now that I think about it

[00:30:35] But then she came back and then I'm sure I'm sure he was probably like hey how are things there? And now At least nowadays she's probably like it's great It's fantastic

[00:30:47] And I'm sure he's like I'm sure he would love to be traveling and working with this you know Not with his wife because they fun fact there've been married for several years but they never actually worked together on screen They actually worked opposite one another

[00:31:02] I can't remember if they were married by that point but when it actually it's one of my favorite matches of all time It actually made me a fan of on draw day because up to that point when he was in NXT

[00:31:12] I was just like I don't I don't get what this so amazing about this guy and then he had that Match with Alistair black for the NXT title And I was like I was like oh I get it I get it But yeah

[00:31:31] Zulina Vega was his manager at the time So yeah, I was like oh, yeah, but it's only if you know and like I've happened to know Because I follow I followed their YouTube channel because they're fucking adorable the other but

[00:31:48] And oh yeah, yeah, I watched this sometimes on twitch over she had a twitch Yeah, speak it if Zulina Which I think what she's an avoid changer for that prank call she did the dominant I think she had

[00:32:02] Because if she if that wasn't if that wasn't a voice changer I think that was her that was her voice a little kid or something I'm telling you what if she didn't use a voice changer She's got a future in voice work because that was incredible

[00:32:19] But and I'm also I may or may not be slightly slightly jealous of Mr. Black Because I mean Yeah, anyway But I'm with you. I think when his contract runs out

[00:32:38] We'll be back to WWE so fast. I'll actually the lights will go out because he tripped over the power cord running To the ring by Yeah, because How how about this storyline okay? So you you've got no awesome No, no, it's like yeah everybody's Please

[00:33:01] Check this storyline out really go back to WWE and you've got judgment day feuding with the LWO and then these dudes just walk in and be like What the fuck? Why are you hanging around all these dudes? Reagents Reagents like something like red with you

[00:33:24] For those of you don't know body Matthews is real Ripley's husband her real husband Yeah, what they got married oh yeah, they've been married for a few years now Oh Which Mike's sense because they're both Australian I Don't think he's from that sublice I think She oh yeah

[00:33:47] I think you're right Lucky bastard anyway Oh, let's see what else we got Oh this was this is my personal favorite one because this just illustrates the level of delusion Right even in cavefabet makes sense one guy is a hired hand the others are executive price

[00:34:11] Executive vice presidents man. This was an easy do not recommend Okay, so by virtue of that logic if Let's see what's a what's a That's a good example here Yeah, let's do me make sense Well, okay, so let's let's even assume all right which I'm

[00:34:38] I'm certain that would be a fireable offense because okay an executive vice president That's not a real thing like okay for example. I'm vice president of operations and this actually true I'm vice president of operations in a media company I can so we fire

[00:35:01] How about that up up you know like it's Especially now, you know what they they don't call they don't call subway employees employees They call them sandwich artists because all these title enhancements it doesn't And founders clauses

[00:35:17] If such a thing even exists which I don't think it does but actually you know what let's Since I always say Google is free Let's see what Google has Close all right The founders clause in bylaws and protect founding directors by giving them longer terms

[00:35:48] Allowing them to be reelected and ensuring that only a unanimous vote can remove them You can also provide a pre-determined set of reasons for removing founding directors that ordinary

[00:35:58] Directors don't have however some non-profits consider founders closens to be a way for founders to avoid being voted out by the board of directors Most states don't approve of creating a founders clause for this purpose and Let's see if founders clauses are applicable in Florida

[00:36:21] I'm just going to It is Okay founders clauses are legal in Florida But okay, so this means one of two so let's assume that their founders clause does again I can tell me at this from several angles so let's assume that their

[00:36:54] What-unquote founders clause protects them from being fired if they assault the presidency of the company Okay One Remakes Tony con the biggest moron on planet earth for writing that into a contract Two it says nothing about Tony con not being able to sue them for assault and battery

[00:37:19] Which yes, but yeah It also doesn't stop him from pressing charges because that was not in a sanctioned match Which means it is not under the jurisdiction of the athletic commission It's under the jurisdiction of whatever municipality they were in so he absolutely

[00:37:36] Food press charges against the young bucks and Jack Perry Yeah, he didn't That's a soul Yeah, and like why is Jack still have a job like he doesn't have one that's another thing So it's like again, so like okay, maybe the young bucks are protected which

[00:37:55] I've already addressed that previously Like I don't think a founders clause allows you to come up and bitch slap your boss and keep your job Much less give them a pile driver but Jack Perry

[00:38:07] Can be fired instantly by Tony con the young bucks cannot protect him and why would you and Tell me was he a refire or did he quit or something? He was he was well, okay, so but Tony reinstated him before he did

[00:38:28] But okay if the young bucks can protect somebody from getting fired surely they can hire someone So why did Jack need him to re be reinstated in the first place the young bucks could have done that?

[00:38:40] You didn't need to do this if you were to punch guy in the stomach just do it and then after that they say well Hey, by the way Jack Perry We hired him back With the and then like in making it with the substantial pay raise

[00:39:02] And Jack Perry's another I want I want to be a Jack Perry fan. I do oh I was I was first start a lot like it really like But now it's like He like you lost something

[00:39:20] I think it was a Brian last from Jim Cornett's bond has who said I've cast not podcast Podcast who said something to the effect of He looks like a kid playing the role of a badass But he can't fit in the jet like he it doesn't fit

[00:39:40] Yeah, I just see that And honestly I do was dad did but not really how like the acting chops to do it I mean and the thing of it is is again. I addressed that because I said I

[00:39:55] Said even before Jay shortly before Jay are said it on it. I'm sure Jay already been saying it since he got there He's like well damn kid you can't keep Jungle boy forever I said they need to start call and they need to start sneaking in Jack Perry

[00:40:07] Which they did and kudos to them But He needs He's not a heel He's not he's got it. He's too young to be it. He's too young and not smart me enough to be A good heel he's got go away. He has him corned that would say

[00:40:26] Yeah, he was much better Not he was great as a baby face do you remember the the beat the clock challenge you did with Chris Jericho way back They think that was in 2021 No, I think that might have been a 2019 That was great

[00:40:42] Those fantastic he lost the match but he won the challenge because he beat the clock Yeah, and maybe one of the like does he wants to be like this hill or Did he prefer how he was before so here's the problem. I think it's kind of

[00:40:58] Probably and and again I could be wrong here so Correct me if I'm wrong anyone out there but it seems to me like a lot of wrestlers Really want to be heels because it's more fun And frankly it's probably easier

[00:41:16] If I had to guess not not necessarily to be a great heel But just to go out there and play a heel. I think is tremendously easier because But some people are just baby faces right and until Jack here gets a little bit older

[00:41:32] He's not a convincing heel he doesn't have Size per se he's not particularly intimidating or menacing So he well Yeah, most of them are yeah, but it's like the young bucks being heels like They're not they're not They're not intimidating

[00:41:58] I don't buy it. They can be comedy heels all day long But Comedy and wrestling rarely mix sometimes it works. I'll give him that sometimes it works But

[00:42:12] Well again so like I always point out because people say this all the time when I criticize like orange cast their day and I was like What about Santino I'm like yeah how many times did Santino win? Virtually never

[00:42:34] Archie again archer is a little bit different though because our truth can go It's like he chooses not to but that's kind of like that's kind of like Santino in the sense that like well

[00:42:44] God if he'd just be in a more if he'd stop being a moron he might actually win because You know, but I always I always do kind of regret that he didn't get I don't think he got the run that he deserved but I mean

[00:42:59] Think that will be brand assault because he was on TV all the time and I'm sure he made a ton of money And if all I had to do was throw on a bat Italian accent and get beat all the time. I do it He wasn't Oh, entertaining

[00:43:14] I love I love the compilations where and this is what I love though I do love the fact that a lot of I love the fact that a lot of time I love the fact that no actually hated the cobra

[00:43:26] Oh, really? I can't I can't stand I loved JTG sell on at that one time Just I love the commitment to the bid okay. I love me And I love apparently everybody wanted to sell the cobra

[00:43:45] Wouldn't why he did it all the time apparently that was like can you give me the code Which in that one aspect I love but there there's so many great compilations of Santino

[00:43:57] Trying to get people are getting Santino getting people to break character. I think my favorite one is John chain And seen it just can't hold it But I do love I do love hearing the stories and then they put the footage next to it. It was like

[00:44:15] They're trying to get like take her to break character or something like that Or like how the rock how the rock would oversell the stoner just to make Steve Austin laugh oh

[00:44:28] So that that's the kind of stuff I love but again, that's like right on the edge where it's not If you know you'll see it, but you may not see it if you don't know or like I do love what I think it was

[00:44:40] No, it's not Dilo Brown Oh God I'm blinking on the name. This is embarrassing the godfather Yeah, they got father no, no, I'm just I'm thinking I'm asking clarification when he's like

[00:45:00] He tells takers like I know you love holes and take it just has to rip down so the hair covers Or how the whole uh this is your life segment with the rock was just make fully trying to break the rock

[00:45:17] And how that comedic genius just rolled with it Like the rock remembers you didn't let him get to first bases. I'm like oh my god. How do you come up with that crap on the fly like for every one of them? Yeah, those good times and this does

[00:45:39] I think they're coming back. I'll be honest. I think they're coming back. I hope I know it will be as good as them but like we Something close to you know. I don't know. I mean look at look at the the brief

[00:45:54] Bull nugget we had with J.U. So and Cody Rhodes pound around together oh yeah that was that was that was good And especially now but WWE has gone through periods where

[00:46:06] When they realize they if they just let most people if they realize that if they just let them be themselves They will get over yeah right and like honestly Cody's that way Cody got over when Cody started being Cody

[00:46:24] That's the whole reason he left WWE to me in the first place Yeah But So this was actually a comment third so I'll read it again. They said oh no, sorry this is a new comment

[00:46:39] But good job you figured out wrestling isn't real genius also did you ever consider the part about firing punk was a work to Except we know it wasn't a work so They made it crystal clear that it wasn't a work I

[00:47:03] That was a tremendous mistake it really really was because okay, so let's assume everything happens the same way except for that now Tony Con probably did it to stop the place from writing Because they were expecting punk but I mean It's kind of unavoidable

[00:47:30] It was especially like it was like kind of like smuggly type. I don't know He brought a chair something I think he said he went out there actually expecting that crowd to sympathize with him and

[00:47:45] Instead of what we all thought was like you were scared for your life Yeah, that part yeah I understand being scared to get punched in the face Like that that may very well that's that's in the realm of possibilities scared for your life

[00:48:02] You're surrounded by a bunch of 250 plus pound dudes that you're paying millions of dollars and I've got a lot punk kill you They will take him out Joe would have legit Who did songs my chicks

[00:48:21] But then in response to that comment we got on to say who hurt you and Then we got at Tom to Marx like the person in this video Who wants to ignore the 10-year rivalry between Vincent Maniston cold Steve Austin?

[00:48:42] We already we already went over that it's different For one thing they drew a fuck of a lot more money and had a fuck a lot more viewers Yeah, the average raw rating like back then would have ranged anywhere from five to eight million

[00:48:59] And this will work if punk was actually still there exactly this this angle could still work honestly It is legitimately salvageable But what did they do they used it to make another anarchy in the arena image? Oh, yeah, yeah, and here's okay

[00:49:16] Okay, and I can't believe I'm gonna say this But let's assume that this is what I think it is and that this is Tony Khan's wish fulfillment Tony Khan wants to do something in a wrestling ring Honestly anarchy in the arena is

[00:49:33] The best way for him to do it because it's probably the safest way for Tony to be involved It's the only way Yeah, you can be hit someone Well, but Tony can be protected and honestly if they did it

[00:49:50] And he's in there with legit veterans he's in there with Danielson he'd be in there with Eddie Kingston I forget who else is on TMA W I don't know why moxley's not in there is moxley in there. I don't know Maybe a Brian Daniel

[00:50:04] But let's let's I know I know I know I know Danielson and Kingston are a part of it and FTR Okay, okay, so he's in there with people that can look out for him and you've got

[00:50:18] The box Jack Perry and Ocada, and I'm sure you can find some other laki that they can get to Get Shad Conj Where's my money No They can they can stop spending my money. Yeah, just he did that was $100 Those are paper cuts people's eyes You

[00:50:44] Okay, so if you wanted to do an anarchy in the arena match with Tony Tony can have his wish fulfillment But then it makes sense because Tony's actually there because the problem with this is Tony looks like a bitch because say what you will at least

[00:50:56] Vinceman man got in the ring Vinceman man I know but I'm just I'm just saying Can you though Oh, not now I mean, I'm pretty sure Tony Con is taller than some of the male roster members so Well, I think he's the same height as orange Cassidy. So

[00:51:20] I mean, that might be why they won't do it because when Tony Con actually stands next to some of these guys Like I said before I'll say it again the first time I saw a w live like Trent Baretta always looked Like a fairly large guy athlete

[00:51:38] On TV I couldn't get over how small he was In person I was just like wow That is wild to me It's funny because I never noticed I'm co being so small oh, I did Yeah I know what you mean. I I

[00:52:03] He was never a big big guy But he at least looked at he least looked like an athlete in NXT Yeah Yeah Oh, and then That person another person commented that comment but Vince didn't show a video of Brett punching him and said

[00:52:29] Well, I was afraid for my life and I had to fire him Just then to get beaten and bloody by Stone Cold who suffers no consequences he broke K-Fab to explain why he screwed Brett

[00:52:38] But the reasons given never matched up with what Austin was doing on TV a W was going against his own logic Which isn't the first or last time it's happened in wrestling

[00:52:47] But it still negatively affects the show as a whole when you don't follow the rules that you yourself put in place And then somebody responded to that how did it negatively affect the show a

[00:52:58] W did something controversial and that got a lot of people looking at the product actually it didn't They had a minimal spike in ratings at best because people wanted to see the footage that that was it

[00:53:11] And it shows in the ratings because immediately after they aired the footage they lost a lot of people Had an amazing dynamite where jack returns amazing is a strong word

[00:53:22] So how do this negatively affect the product? Oh, I don't know the entire sports world is making fun of the owner of the company I'm not going to comment that Tony Khan did or his intentions and I'm and I'm not going to defend it either

[00:53:35] But I think this was a marketing decision won't no shit sure lock and taking it as that it's a pretty damn good decision And before you even start I don't care about ratings. Well, okay, that's so you're right in line with a UW them

[00:53:49] Yeah, I was gonna say rain is doing that. What's there about rains? But they do matter. Okay. Oh, no They don't just matter they're it

[00:53:57] Yeah, you have a television show if no one watches said television show television network will say we're gonna replace you with read runs of a sitcom from the 80s That road drawer more way more exactly Because spoiler alert. It's the wrestling business

[00:54:20] But that's what punk said this is not a company that's interested in generating money and it's obvious It was just it was refreshing and I was in a bit of disbelief. I'm like surely that can't be true when punk said that I was like oh, now it's true

[00:54:41] And then some I wasn't going to mention ratings but you can't say it was a successful marketing decision and then say quote I don't care about ratings for the week they showed the punk video

[00:54:50] They got a lot of ratings and it did help jack Perry for a little bit before it fell back to normal and the cat failing

[00:54:56] Which actually is true the I think the average rating per episode went from somewhere around 800 thousand to 700 and they're close to getting into the 600s Yeah, it's it's it's not good The god of level of love but my whole thing is that Tony

[00:55:12] Take the punk situation and basically you said quote this thing is real the rest of the show isn't but this is real Part of wrestling is immersing yourself into it and believing that it is real believing that

[00:55:24] Swerve is really struggling to be Joe and for getting that the result was decided when an advanced WWE is doing it now with rich Holland His gimmick is quote I keep hurting people and I don't want to

[00:55:35] But as a wrestler shouldn't that just be part of the job it breaks the illusion in a way that I personally If you shouldn't be done unless it's for something like a retirement or injury Respond I said I got a lot of people looking back at the front

[00:55:49] I said it got a lot of people looking back at the pro no it didn't it got zero new viewers Yeah, no a 10 No, no, no, no, no, all these the only people that you may have gotten back are the people that said oh

[00:56:03] We'll see on punk's not need w anymore. So I don't care to watch And honestly I was kind of one of those people if I wasn't doing this show I don't think I'd be watching a w television at all I'd be disinterested

[00:56:16] Oh, watch clips but like so you're welcome. I'm you're so you're welcome, YouTube I'm doing this for you You did this to me Again, I'm not gonna justify what Tony condit you just did justify what Tony condit

[00:56:36] That said but it was good marketing strategy again. No, it wasn't same marketing strategy that was used back in the attitude This is vastly different than the marketing strategy that we're choosing the attitude era The attitude era that you're talking about

[00:56:49] with Vince becoming a heal was the result of a real life thing that happened and everyone knew happened and they rolled with it They took something that was real and integrated it into their storyline

[00:57:00] But you know what they didn't do they never pointed to something else and said this isn't real They never once did that only in a different sort of way but still the same I'm looking at the whole situation

[00:57:15] For the perspective of a guy who watches wrestling not from a guy who tries to get intertwined in the business Bro They're the same thing It's like Okay, if you're they take take take a take a sport like boxing if you are into boxing

[00:57:32] You follow careers of certain fighters like you know who the world champion is you know who the number one contender is You know who's and you debate about who's gonna win this fight like Penelo has a fight there's constant debates

[00:57:43] You got the fucking Jake Paul and Mike Tyson are gonna be fighting in July and it's pure speculation It's pure you what do you mean you're not following the business if you're a fan of boxing at all you're like Mike's enough fuck this kid up

[00:57:58] This lead we're all hoping I don't I have my I have my doubts because I think this is kind of like I think it I think it's a work But oh, yeah, I understand I think

[00:58:10] Honestly, I think he's just going to like knock around to take a dive really but knock around when you go I mean he might even win but it's not

[00:58:19] What this fight should well okay, and I'm not even gonna say it's gonna be a first round knockout because Jake Paul is actually a talented boxer But he is not a professional boxer

[00:58:29] Yeah, like if he'd be kept because in here's the thing and then people argue with me Like yes, I know I'm not a boxer, but like if he were He'd be competing As a legitimate boxer

[00:58:44] But he's not like put him in the ring with canelo canelo fucking up two ways Two ways till next week like canelo will fucking up so fast and canelo is Me, or I can always agree boxer. I'm not taking anything like from pinna but yeah the best

[00:59:04] And I was a woofled me with her and like yeah and Floyd may weather may as well have been taken now Was that was that Logan Paul No, that was Jake Logan yeah, okay, so he hasn't even fought Floyd may weather Yeah

[00:59:23] But come on that's that's you can't convince me of that. It's like I just watch wrestling. I don't follow the business well and okay I thought what they did undiomed my was cool nothing else I don't care about her progress. See I care about the show and

[00:59:37] I watch is good. I care about the show. I watch is that I care that the show I watch is good too And that's why I have a problem with all this nonsense You say you say you don't care about who by this is a response

[00:59:49] You say you don't care about hypocrisy, but originally got upset that people were criticizing the Tony elite angle But didn't criticize the vents awesome stuff and I agree that they got rating specifically for the punk video

[00:59:59] But you lift out the part where they're ratings immediately fell right after that I want the show to be good too that includes wanting story lines that make sense

[01:00:07] I know that's not always gonna happen in wrestling, but I feel like Jack Perry still being employed is too big of a plot hold to just ignore This guy is a dummy LOL H boy. I don't know what that means

[01:00:23] See this wow this I'm sorry whisk I got a I'm not trying to single you out man, but your logical consistency is not an existence I know I don't care about hypocrisy when it comes to the show that I'm watching

[01:00:35] I do care about hypocrisy when it comes to WWE fans criticizing literally every single thing Tony calm does Not everything I mean most of it, but not everything I mean vents man literally trapped it

[01:00:52] Vincent man literally Vincent man literally traffic women that case is still ongoing, but I mean I mean yet Yeah, probably Soul pictures to Brock and I actually believe he gave pictures to Brock Lesnar And as Sunan law who runs the company now won't make a statement announcing it

[01:01:16] I mean Why would he We make sense it will ask your hurt from war Well, but let's let's so here's the thing let's just like going to bat for triple H here in a very very corporate world Why would triple H denounce something

[01:01:34] that could potentially hurt his business by It being even out there could potentially have a negative light So when him denouncing it does nothing for the victim It does nothing for the case

[01:01:50] It does nothing for him. It does nothing for the company because the company is already denounced it by removing Vincent man Yeah Like they've already denounced it by removing Vincent man from the company They're very same. I think in like even on the WWE

[01:02:05] You know, I don't know I don't even know that that's possible, but I'm sure they I'm sure they gave it the old college try What is this going to blow around his face like they did with the old WWE of the logo

[01:02:21] Pointed this great voice scramble in there. It's like No, they just replace it with air you're fired Your fired Actually just replace it with your fire But But let's care about the inconsistencies of wrestling angle. That's much worse You said that's confusing that's fair

[01:02:53] I just like to point out though that there's a bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense on WWE right now I'd like you to point out one Truly The draft was a complete waste of time the draft is always a complete waste of time That okay fair

[01:03:10] The WWE draft is always a waste of time Because it is kind of logically stupid because we all know it's the same company, but I mean when they treat the brands is separate it at least makes a little

[01:03:25] I remember when they had the draft when they didn't even separate the brands and I was like what's the Flick or were we doing? Why why are we like the results of the draft lasted like a week That's like why are we doing this? Okay, so fair fair

[01:03:41] Yeah, I think this was the worst one Because annoying moves Yeah, right. It's like we choose our current roster Okay and someone from NXT Which actually okay so let's let's let's this is just a thought I had recently actually during the draft So it was like I think

[01:04:05] And I'm sorry. I'm not meaning to ignore your comments. They're I'll get to you in a moment. I was just midthought Wow, okay. So in in regards to bringing people up from NXT

[01:04:18] I think this might be a legitimately good idea because again we want it to appear real right So and this is kind of a conundrum because

[01:04:28] Professional wrestling is technically a combat sport but they treat the roster's kind of similar to how they do like NFL and NBA teams To a certain extent I mean they have a draft for example so I don't know Oh shit they

[01:04:47] Comey on some deleted your comment my friend can you Post it back. I don't know why I did that shit Yeah, YouTube does that sometimes it's weird. I promise we never delete comments I shouldn't see I'm reading them now. They'd call me a dumbass but anyway

[01:05:04] So I think it would be kind of cool and it would make it harder to book but That's not a bad thing Is that people in NXT are only eligible to join the Mace main roster once a year and that's when they do the draft Yeah, kind of

[01:05:25] I was just gonna say this maybe. I was in the draft and like special Obbed they're not joining the roster. They're not joining the roster on a special event

[01:05:37] Okay, I see I don't know maybe then the more I think about it the more I dislike it so yeah I like that idea You'd have to figure out Well, I mean but I'll be honest though the limit so

[01:05:53] Limiting factors. I actually think spur creativity in things like this because you can't just say oh, yeah They're just gonna move up you have to make it make sense now. I totally get it That's more challenging

[01:06:04] But that's kind of what we're talking about here is for things to consistently make sense Let's see Where was I and They buried Ilya dragon off didn't I mean, I don't know that they buried him. He just lost a match

[01:06:25] Like after he won a match in a tournament I don't see how I wouldn't see how Ilya dragon off being immediately In the king of the ring tournament after just joining the main roster burying Yeah, I don't and yeah, I wouldn't call it

[01:06:45] I don't want Jesus Christ you say they buried Ilya dragon obviously I don't watch WWE so I'm not in the business to cherry pick hung into cherry pick inconsistencies and a breastling storyline You just did Like you literally just did that

[01:07:09] I say this to point out that any criticism of aw that I hear from WWE fans ultimately boils down to a nitpick Okay, first of all you're assuming I mean I am a WWE. I'm a wrestling fan, but I'm not exclusively a WWE fan Oh, when a dub

[01:07:26] Oh, when a w first came around I flat out made a WWE. I was like this is the shit This is terrible I'm not a Tony Con defender either well you kind of are Jesus

[01:07:42] I'm going to read this again for the people listening at home and for those in the back Any criticism of aw that I hear from WWE fans is ultimately boils down to a nitpick I'm not a Tony a Tony com defender. I have my nitpicks with him

[01:08:05] But at least Tony con doesn't sex traffic women I mean I was gonna say we don't know that We don't have evidence. I'm not suggesting that Tony con

[01:08:20] I'm just saying that logically speaking, we don't know he does actually I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that Tony con does not in fact When In fact, I'd be shocked if you told me that Tony con ever spoke to a woman I

[01:08:38] Take that I kid. I know he's got uh, I say have a girlfriend or fiance I can't remember He's he's he's attached Now whether or not she has a penis. I don't know but

[01:08:51] I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and say that it is probably home-grown oh I pointed out WWE also has storyline in consistencies and I don't know what Vince being I don't know what Vince being an

[01:09:05] awful person has to with this because I never talked about Tony con as a person I pointed out there's a big plot-on Maybe W's biggest story lines and That's the difference from the Austin

[01:09:16] And that it's different from the Austin McMahon story line talking about Vince as crimes would be like if I just suddenly started talking about the poor treatment of the Jacksonville Jagdwiders players What's that's the thing?

[01:09:29] Not as bad as what Vince did but just as relevant. I understand you're getting defensive But you're talking to someone that likes both companies. I want a WWE to succeed

[01:09:39] I'm just not gonna ignore their mistakes and I do the same with WWE but since I've upset you I'll leave you be Fair enough as a closer. I'll just say that you that if you read my comments You'll see that I use the term WWE fans

[01:09:53] So I'm not accusing you of making any sort of argument like the ones I pointed out That's okay. If you think I'm mad or just a passionate wrestling fan Think those two things are different A passionate wrestling fan that doesn't watch WWE

[01:10:12] Well, I'll put this way like I like some things they do. I like some things they you don't Not recently, but you know what this is like in the scheme of things Yeah, yeah, it's for more like even impact recently. I'm gonna wash that or I've been

[01:10:28] Possibly I've been pleasantly surprised with impact would with TNA which again I said this when we did that episode. It's probably because my expectations are so low But sorry, not sorry. I'm seeing storylines play out on television

[01:10:44] And I am I will definitely say to have the one the best woman's division Or three and that's kind of always been in the case There was a time when the only reason you watched TNA wrestling was the knockout division Specifically Gail Kim and awesome Kong but like

[01:11:04] Yeah TNA's always had a really good Women's division and the exhibition has always been for the most part. It's always been something to watch and look out for Which I enjoy a lot

[01:11:17] I wish you was more of that on TV while they're and I'll give credit for credit stew TNA And I actually dig the intro they do where they're basically saying like this is who we are and we're not

[01:11:31] Sorry for it. I'm like you know what who knows do you guys Because We'll set out from from the very outset in 2002 you set out to be different in 30 years Yeah, I had your high point you had your lows but I will say this much

[01:11:47] Except for that period where they changed the name to impact I hate that so much well that was some that was some that was some really bad TV

[01:11:57] But when it was TNA it was always it always felt like TNA and I'm glad that they seem to be going back to that Thanks for the better. I worsted combined with like bring our honor or something like that because there was Not now

[01:12:28] Which I'll say I'll say it again like Tony Khan also is squandering The theme of Tony Khan is squandering he's squandering ring of honor because I remember I don't remember where I read it But I was like why does he not shopping ring of honor to TV networks?

[01:12:46] Why and he said something in fact if he wanted to give one or brothers discovery first crack at it well they clearly don't want it So shop that shit around There's no excuse to not have ring of honor on television. There isn't there's there's absolutely no excuse

[01:13:03] If impact wrestling was on television Ring of honor should be on television There's no reason whatsoever except it's probably too much work, but ha Tony Tony Tony Tony if it's too much work You can hire someone to do it for you

[01:13:24] That's the problem because I know actually I thought I think Tony Khan if Tony Khan wants to book wrestling He should book ring of honor yeah, look at start from book ring of honor Rook ring of honor with a your own version of Danny Davis right

[01:13:43] For people don't know Danny Davis was the I think still is running over W but like engine Cornette were working the shows together when they Created the WWE developmental system down there Actually get your own Jim Cornette Jim Cornette already said he doesn't want to work for

[01:14:00] Work for her with Tony Khan but get to get you your Booker and have the booker teach you have the booker teach you how to book Like get your own dusty roads and what's funny? Do you have your own dusty roads you had two of them

[01:14:19] And you ran off one of them and he became WWE champion But you got another one Well Tony kind of squandered a lie and like okay Speaking of squandering Mercedes Monet oh yeah, so I'm gonna make Justin smile because I realized recently

[01:14:46] I didn't realize I learned recently that we both used the same bit and I didn't know we used the same bit Somebody better pick up that phone Because I fucking call it What did I say

[01:15:06] Mercedes Monet which I don't even think she lasted a month yeah, you're right Two weeks maybe maybe three so okay. We'll call it almost a month I think I said with Saraje as like yeah give it to you know three four weeks for

[01:15:26] Funny how page was more popular what she was in wrestling Well, ever so Ever I'm trying to think one was the one was a really sincere punk Yeah, every time they sign a name now

[01:15:45] They get a big I'm gonna be gonna call it a push because they really don't get a push There's just excitement for them being there They get kind of a they get kind of a pop Last for about a month but then they don't do anything with them

[01:15:58] And then they either don't do anything at all or by the time they get around it like swirve Sort of shrikling was a big deal when he first signed

[01:16:06] They didn't do fuck all with them and then when they started to do something with him it was kind of too late It was weird too. He was like he'd pull them with those other two guys Yeah, I brought pleasure And I'll the guy Not brought

[01:16:22] There is there ain't no shit that happened in here But yeah, Tony con just squanders Everything he has like any ad tremendous good will going in Like I can't stress enough how much Tony con has squandered Everything he was at the goodwill of the fans of

[01:16:49] vast roster of talented wrestlers And some other guys and girl Some The old they toss playing the rest of them. Yeah, thank god they have you rest of them thank god they had

[01:17:11] I can't like so I'm just gonna I'm a bitch about Riko first I get to which oh God I guess there was a well not a report because I guess she said it on TV showing Japan that she made the equivalent

[01:17:24] I think they said she made what was a six million yen a year which is equivalent to about $400,000 And it's like I think they said she wrestled 10 matches But I guess I guess she's having these issues on like okay

[01:17:43] And I know at one point. I know at one point. I looked up her way. I think she weighs 98 pounds Yeah, I Like 77 She's not that small, but

[01:17:59] But okay, you got you and I guess she I guess for whatever reason she's been having visa issues which is not her fault But like you've got a wrestler that you're paying You know almost happened well. I'm just saying you're paying them 400 grand

[01:18:16] To wrestle a couple times of year and they have visa issues so you can't even build up and this person is tiny I would like to remind everybody the cracks were showing early this

[01:18:30] But Riko was the first A. E. W. Women's Champion and she beat Nila Rose to win the title okay Someone like Brett Baker maybe she smaller yes, but it's not it's not a loser Yeah, she's actually be doing boom Quite guilty. I'm also in awe Yeah, but Riko

[01:19:00] But he's 98 towns soaking wet with rocks in her pockets Nila Rose I'm pretty sure Could pick up a hundred pound dumbbell with one arm So With that logic Nila Rose could pick Riko up by the scruffer than that And throw her out of the ring

[01:19:32] With it with two presumably one hand certainly with two She could do this repeatedly and also Riko does the spot Where somebody covers her but then she like back bends out of it

[01:19:49] Yeah, here's the problem with that spot in order for her to do that the person pinning her should not put any weight on her So you know it's coming because they get in kind of this weird awkward like all force position

[01:20:02] But they're not actually putting any weight on her so they hover over her or like yeah around her So you know it's coming now here's the other problem with a w The opening match on this week's dynamite

[01:20:16] Was I think it was moxley and Danielson versus one of the guys from osteopen and I'll be honest. I don't care or remember the other person this match looked awful But it wasn't what they were doing

[01:20:36] It was the camera men being at the worst possible angle because I get it their resters. They got to do the shit safely, right? But it's the reason why like that fight scenes and movies are sought shot as certain angles

[01:20:50] It's so you can throw a punch and it looks like it's hitting the guy. What it's really like a foot away Yeah, like I saw Danielson did a dropkick but instead of being behind Danielson or behind the guy taken the dropkick

[01:21:06] It was like the side wide angle thing and you saw Danielson barely touched the guy So I'm not criticizing Danielson. I'm just saying like these camera guys At least for that match like you look like dog shit

[01:21:23] Yeah, it's weird. It's like they have the money to like book or not book but higher like good Can we guys order at least train them and like moxley did the spot in the court Which I hate this spot to begin with but

[01:21:34] Some people can make it look decent. He does the spy we put sky in the corner and then punches down The camera guy was at the worst possible angle to be at because it looked phonier and then a football bat It's Jim Cornet would say

[01:21:48] Like I and I get I'm not criticizing the guys in the ring because clearly like I've seen these guys know what the fuck they're doing But they need help from the camera people to make This shit look good You know, that's that

[01:22:06] And also I'll be honest it turned me off in the match because I'm like oh this is This is just bad Because I see so many times like so many times over the here like Bad camera angles and like they're impungious like in the air

[01:22:24] I think it was like you know It was one of like it was one of the guys. Yeah, which okay? So like I don't get me wrong because legitimate criticism there That was dumb the camera guy didn't have the sense to move

[01:22:41] Like you guys are part of the show too like you got a You don't see that in WWE and just saying I'm just saying you don't you don't see it there My god when somebody does a dropkick in WWE it looks devastating. I tell you devastating

[01:23:03] This should hire the guy Oh, guy what is name I know he was The beaver guy He's the I Hey I will come to Kevin Dunst defense because a lot of people men saying it's like oh Kevin Dunst looks like shit

[01:23:23] I'm like you didn't say that at all for like 25 years Kevin Dunst production was fine. I'll be a bit repetitive But I'm pretty sure that was an Vince McMahon I mean They're doing me wrong the way WWE's and I love

[01:23:43] They're trying different stuff some of it doesn't work but when it doesn't work they don't really do it I'll be honest. I'm not really a huge fan of them following people through to gorilla But I mean clearly people they get so

[01:23:55] That's not a hill. I'm gonna die on like I wouldn't do it, but I'm okay with she like It's not But what I will say this what it does do though is it makes it

[01:24:09] It's pulling back the curtain without pulling back the curtain so you feel like you're seeing something behind the scenes Yeah, but it's it's still part of the show. So I get like I said I'm not gonna it's a stylistic choice that I don't personally like but

[01:24:23] Like I'm not gonna But like see one thing that new Japan does that I love is when they start a match they start close up And then they zoom out real quick to show the whole ring. I love that I've read so many people hating it

[01:24:35] So I'm like hey, you know it's different trucks for different folks fortunately neither one of those are hills I would die on I will absolutely die on a hill of like if Brian Danielson is doing a dropkick to somebody's chest

[01:24:46] Put the camera somewhere where you can't see that he's landing with his tip toe to protect the other guy Can we I don't want them to actually dropkick a motherfucker I

[01:24:59] Get it I like a good show and I like strong styles much as the next guy, but let's let's not get crazy here Which I love the fact that Who was it

[01:25:14] I was in a review. I think it was on the art of wrestling many many years ago when Somebody was talking about the first time they went to Japan and they're like oh, it's strong style. I'm gonna have to lay it in

[01:25:24] Okay, the guy in there he was like guy in here. He was like Telling him afterwards. He's like I hate it when all you guy jing come over so guy jing or foreigners

[01:25:33] He was like what do you mean he's like he's like you think strong style is real and then we have to hit you back And it's like it's so tiring

[01:25:41] He was like then I got smartened up and it's like oh no they just make it look now some of them do stiff shots, but It's like that it's it's not everybody

[01:25:52] Like oh god, honestly is one of the guys who makes it look super stiff, but it's not Chopps aside because everybody lays chops and because they want to make the chest red and bleed right now

[01:26:05] I don't know I I do agree with Jim Corna. I like chops, but I think we're getting a little too chop heavy and I Fucking hate there's two chop spots. I hate more than anything thankfully things No, okay, I don't love shameless

[01:26:21] Chop spot, but I don't I don't love it and I don't hate it But Fortunately one of these is only done by one person that I'm aware of in New Japan so it's not that big of a deal the Mongolian chops Oh

[01:26:37] It is so fake looking and stupid looking. I hate it Then the other one that I think can hate which blame New Japan for this too this is first place I saw it is the whole like rapid Chop You can't he's can't possibly hurt

[01:26:57] At all and I think I think it was Mustafa Ali that no sold in a New Japan ring Things They think it was him and I was like oh, I love you so much right now because it's like This can't possibly hurt

[01:27:17] You don't have enough space to generate enough energy To make it which by the way anyone who's interested if you want to say well you never been chop I have mother fucker I took two Actually that so I've been chop

[01:27:33] Technically twice once was off camera and not when hurt I'm never confess this but you can see it on the R.I.T Media channel. Jake gets chopped because I told the viewers we get to a thousand subscribers I will let Benji chop me

[01:27:50] Actually he actually chop me twice because he said well my chop is the overhand and I said screw it do both Like I'm not gonna lie it It didn't really hurt like I felt it I didn't honestly didn't hurt that much Is loud as shit though

[01:28:09] It sounds really good like it sounded great and like telling me wrong. I mean like I felt it but I'll put it this way if I was in like a competitive fight that wouldn't have Done anything It wouldn't have done shit

[01:28:26] The best chops I think I've seen or person done was Crispin one like his chops he had good ones, but we all know that good there as the best chops Over him too. Yeah, yeah, Ben why had really good chops Speaking speaking of Bad human beings

[01:28:51] There's a downer How they did erase him Oh well We've been going about an hour and a half you got any more biction to do or shall we call it for this evening and let the people Fester on their hatred for Myself and just a corn out here

[01:29:13] Yeah, it was good Amin power enough Big Ben through enough Well everyone thank you for enjoying this episode of down the middle We will see you again in two weeks. I guess we'll figure out what we're gonna tell Maybe next time we should just plan on

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