Down The Middle Episode 76: Where Have All The Storylines Gone?

[00:00:34] podcast. For those of you joining us on TikTok, sorry for the delay. We're still getting it sorted out because we just got our TikTok, streaming pool of privileges back. No thanks to my cohost on 2.0 Vyros Fox for insinuating that he would do something that TikTok did not like.

[00:00:56] What she did not actually do, but I almost told you what he did and then we were going to get booted again. Just doing the obligatory audio check on YouTube, little flip. All right, we have audio. Welcome everybody like I said it down the middle.

[00:01:18] Today is just going to be a nice relaxing episode for just going to get brought back up to speed. We had our normal episode two weeks ago, but before then we had some delays and blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:01:32] Anyway, we're just getting caught up and we're going to bitch about a W smart because that's the thing that we do weekly now it seems. But anyway, this podcast is brought to you by one weekend at horror land for those of

[00:01:45] you on YouTube, you'll see the promo video. For those of you on TikTok while that's playing because I haven't figured out how to do that simultaneously yet. I apologize but I'll tell you all about it. But where do you want to start? Who came?

[00:01:58] Because there's a lot we can talk about. There's what happened with NXT. There's laying the bank. He wanted to just go in front of logic. Oh, yeah, sure, sure. Well, what was first because I've got to be honest, I've been bad.

[00:02:18] I haven't watched any full episodes of wrestling. I've seen some stuff on social media and I looked up some stuff because of what I saw happening but I have not watched an episode or pay per view of wrestling for a while and I need to be better.

[00:02:35] So what happened first? I do believe was a call, a W forbidden door. Yeah, I believe that happened first and then money in the bank happened. I think you're right. I think you're right. Yeah, and then apparently some stuff went down on dynamite.

[00:02:55] Anyway, do you have that card pulled up because unfortunately I cannot use my phone because it is. Yeah, give me one second. You're fine. Because I also didn't watch it but I did listen to and I'm starting to think the Jim

[00:03:09] Cornell experience reviews of A, W paper views are becoming more entertaining than the paper views. Yeah, that is true. It's good shit. I'm not going to lie. Jim, Jim Cornell is just entertaining us out and here's the thing.

[00:03:27] Here's how I know he's not lying which I never thought he was. But when Jim Cornell says he's not working for any of these companies because he doesn't want to, he doesn't need the money. I know that because I guarantee you,

[00:03:39] maybe not, well, W, Rob, maybe not, as they know he'd be troubles. But like, well, I, we know for a fact it's been, it's been established that Jim Cornell was called very early on by Tony Khan and Jim was giving him advice.

[00:03:57] But then when he found out that he was, that Tony was kind of going into business with the elite, he was like, no, not interested. And how, how naive we were back then. We were hopeful. We were hopeful back then. But anyway.

[00:04:13] Back then it was a lot better. At least we thought it would be. That's true, but there were signs. There were signs in the very beginning. But we were wide-eyed and hopeful. But, all right. So let's, let's get cracking on for Ben and Dork. Hello everyone.

[00:04:33] I'm take talk. And by the way, if you have any comments or questions or insults you would like to share, feel free to do so in the comments. I will just be warned if you insult anybody. Be ready to get it back. The,

[00:04:50] I forbidden through the first match with MJF versus some Lusci de Organ. Oh, hit your chair over there. Which I actually, I don't really know them to be honest. I don't know who them. Okay, I was joking around calling him Lusci de Or number two. But apparently,

[00:05:11] the match wasn't bad. Apparently, it was, I mean, it was a bad. Apparently was good. However, So this makes me wonder though. I mean, I questioned the booking. I did this on the first verbindor for those of you who follow the show. I asked the question.

[00:05:27] I was like, The concept is great, but they don't book shit. They don't book anything for this paper. This is literally just matches thrown together. There might be an angle the week before. You know, it's not. Yeah. So the matches,

[00:05:46] so the matches are cold for the most part. As was this one now, as per usual, MJF took chicken shit. I don't know if you made chicken salad, but I think you made a chicken sandwich out of it based on what I've. Yeah,

[00:06:00] it wasn't that that's like finger match as they say, but it was better than what I thought it would be. Well, I mean, I thought it was good if they had a second one. So it was the first person to do the show.

[00:06:14] So it was the first person to do the show. I don't know what it is. Yeah, that's what I meant by the show. And I think that's really true. You know, I think that's really true. That's true. But it's like I said, like I said,

[00:06:27] I didn't watch it. I'm going based on things that I've heard. And just what I know about these people. I'm sure the in-ring work was. Fine at worst and good at best. Fantastic at best. WWE shirt Well because he listens to the drive-thru in the experience too

[00:06:45] You know, so any other thoughts on mjf versus each a chapter Honestly, it was a surprise he was there in the first place because I remember before he was like no never do up then or Or something like that, but oh that being mjf. Yeah, yeah

[00:07:05] I mean all I'm kind of surprised to because Frankly mjf at this point I got to think and I yes, I am putting words into his mouth I got to think mjf is just waiting to get through his contract So we probably doesn't want to argue too much

[00:07:24] So he was probably like yeah cool all all wrestle the sluts should or guy, but I'm calling the match And we're not gonna do anything stupid. We're just gonna get through this because there's no build-up There's no booking. There's no nothing

[00:07:38] And when you have matches like that, unfortunately nobody stands to gain much of anything But they could potentially lose a lot in juries looking dumb bad angle With no sympathy right because even if there's proper build-up to a match and then even if things go wrong

[00:07:55] You can still get sympathy for your baby face right? Exactly It's like this last start and maybe want to wash more of him but like not Go up my way to like see the next match of them, but it does make sure is this they okay

[00:08:14] Where is he at so I could look more Smash stuff Well and it helped that way yeah, and I'll set before and I'll say it again my problem with luchelie break is you can't watch it here

[00:08:27] Or at least not consistently like I remember because I wanted to start watching triple A and I I forget where I thought it was on their website was their website or their YouTube channel

[00:08:36] Where they're saying like yes, here's how to watch if you're in the USA and I went to said place and it wasn't available so And then what little I could watch because they I ended up in a vertically watching triple Mania from the year before

[00:08:52] And every every every match was just a card sash I mean but like if you think a W's bad holy shit watch triple a and I can only imagine I can only imagine that CMLLs

[00:09:04] The same and I've talked about this spot before but I'm not even like this this is the Level and I get it. It's luchelie it's different, but it's still dumb and here's why I watch the guy

[00:09:15] Go running from a ramp jump onto the top rope jump to the other top rope Jump and turn around and then do a moon saw and the whole time the guy who's gonna touch him just stands there

[00:09:30] That's the priority. I'll just never get that part and it's it's I've seen and I've recently seen Spots done well I can't and I apologize. I can't remember where exactly

[00:09:41] I don't think it was a W yeah if it was a W I would have remembered it and like oh shit somebody knows how to do it but I mean I mean just have somebody hold the guy I mean damn they even did that in ECW That's true

[00:09:58] But any any other final thoughts on in jf versus it's a sharele No, it was just a decent tomato match. It wasn't The best wasn't the worst. I'm just good

[00:10:12] Yeah like I said at this point I got it. I gotta believe mjf is just sitting back collecting checks waiting for his contract to expire Yeah, and if he's still like hill there or something like that No, you want to take it easy

[00:10:26] Yeah, well they kept saying those contract comes up in 2024 which is only July and also he was injured so Because of that Tony may choose to extend the I don't know what the terms were

[00:10:36] But typically there's a there's an option to extend the contract in the event of injuries so You might see we might see mjf have to stick it out in a w tilt 20 25 but Yeah, or the very least like It's worse like no Ben Rish

[00:10:53] Yeah, and that would make sense because I think he would I think he probably signed in the fall anyway But and then he renewed he's already renewed his contract once if I'm not mistaken

[00:11:05] Yeah, so oh I don't know if anybody knows something we don't it's mjf so maybe Maybe they're making some change because I had heard too that dynamite's getting better I think maybe we might finally be because I mean once again

[00:11:23] CM punk said it and it's pretty much been confirmed that the number one priority in a w is not Getting new fans. It's not selling tickets. It's not selling merchandise It's having banger matches unfortunately when you want to stay on television ratings actually matter

[00:11:39] And before anybody says anything about well, you know ww's ratings are down too. Yes I am well not relative but what I mean by that is yes some people less people are watching TV more people are streaming But

[00:11:53] Some pair the numbers and ww's ratings are going up by the way Aw's are going down so even on that relative scale a w is still going down But bw's still going up So yeah, they're a machine with xt so you know

[00:12:10] What was tv? Some two times yeah, they did and what was that triple hd's like Regulations you we beat developmental You know And it's just kind of like I mean when you put it that way

[00:12:27] I mean at the same time let's be fair the week we know the NXT Or at least we're pretty sure because nobody's come out and said it but we're pretty sure nxt got moved to usa network to compete with a w

[00:12:39] I'm sorry when you move a wrestling show when you move a wrestling show onto cable tv at 8 pm to At the exact same time a rival wrestling program starts on television at 8 pm on Wednesdays I mean that's that's pretty

[00:12:51] It's pretty obvious that you're going head to head but anyway, what was the next match? Oh the next match was a six-month tag of course it was It was the elite versus The claim oh This what yeah, yeah, it was acclaimed in tanaashi right?

[00:13:12] Yeah, yeah, that's was I knew it was yeah Tamaashi No now this is one where I actually disagree with mr. Kornet and I think the only reason and well I have disagree So he thinks he's he's under the impression and says

[00:13:27] The same that oh kata and tanaashi are not worth That they're unknowns on American television and that's I guess that's it's true in a way, but it's not

[00:13:37] Yeah, I mean because this point is unless you're a fan of new Japan prior to this you wouldn't know who they are so fair enough But it's not like these guys are unknown Yeah That that being says

[00:13:53] I know them only because of AJ when AJ came in that's when I started like that New Japan and I just same here. I knew so same here That's yeah, so like I said he's not wrong per se and of course I might be biased because

[00:14:09] I've been a fan of tanaashi since I started watching New Japan and I've been a fan of okada since I started watching New Japan But me too that was because of it was because of AJ like I knew what new Japan was but I wasn't watching

[00:14:20] I didn't know you could watch it And then I started seeing AJ styles going to New Japan and I'm like okay how do I watch this and then I figured out how to watch it And I still to this day I remember New Japan from about

[00:14:37] 2016 to 2019 being some of the best wrestling I've ever seen in my life And I try I try to watch New Japan, but watching wrestling right now especially since there's so much going on

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[00:19:39] Anyway, yeah, so more on new Japan but Mr. Cornette is basically saying that Tana Hashian Ocata And to a certain extent I understand why he says this he says they're not worth what Toney is paying for Ocata and

[00:19:55] Tana Hashian needs to retire. That's what he's saying now the thing is Tana Hashie's been on a slower tireman for like 10 years now You know I don't mean that as a joke. It's true because they were talking about him retireing

[00:20:09] He were talking about him retiring soon when I started watching New Japan And I took it seriously Although I will say you know a match I really really really want to see before either of them retire and I think this would be

[00:20:24] Exceptional which is why I kind of hope WWE is talking with New Japan or at least on friendly terms I'd love to see scene versus Tana Hashie Well, because you have Tana I I don't know what year but I think technically

[00:20:40] Technically this is an accurate from a time Perspective but Tana Hashie is kind of like the scene of New Japan Yeah, so I think they'd have a great match I think it'd be stellar Yeah, a special sense is retiring so that would be really good

[00:20:59] I'd love to see John Just show up for wrestle kingdom. I think that would be cool as hell I would ask you pop I'm not even like a big John scene of fan but I'm still pop for that I think the entire wrestling world would pop for that

[00:21:16] Yeah, I really do unfortunately doesn't really benefit WWE other than the cool factor Well, it would benefit WWE to bring Tana Hashie over for maybe a wrestle mania well not a wrestle mania because again you run into the whole

[00:21:30] Tana Hashie's probably not super well known to WWE fans Not casual fans. I know hardcore wrestling fans are like I know who Tana Hashie is and my I get it I know you do but the the eight-year-olds that started watching WWE two years ago

[00:21:45] Probably don't know who Tana Hashie is Yeah, I was even some of the doubts Well, no And then as far as Ocada goes

[00:22:00] See here's the thing this is why it's frustrating me because I've seen a well Tana Hashie two to a certain extent but I've seen Ocada have Extremely great matches. I mean stellar matches and for some reason in a w I'm just not seeing it now I suspect

[00:22:21] Because I said early on when we were debating on where Ocada was going I said he's probably gonna go to a w for the elite but also He might be just healing for a while because there's no denying the new Japan style

[00:22:38] Is it it's a mother fucker like it it beats people up But I suspect we were probably seeing Ocada kind of healing up and having fun for a while Hopefully

[00:22:55] And I even speculated because WWE was knocking for Ocada and I suspect he probably wanted to take some time make a lot of money Does it should believe you me? He's making a lot of money there

[00:23:08] And he doesn't have to do anything sure any of us if he doesn't want to Because Tony is gonna let him do whatever he wants to do and to a point Ocada's one of the people were Yeah, you let Ocada do what Ocada wants to do

[00:23:23] I think he might be resting up I still maintain he should do at least he should do a WWE run before He retires he's not super old so I think with some Rest healing and maybe some surgeries If necessary

[00:23:40] This is really look look like Camdo like he doesn't look the same as he did It looks like he already retired and he's coming back Oh, retard You know and fair enough because he was he was No actually no he he even did a

[00:23:58] New Japan and he ended a couple of new Japan events that he was contractually obligated to After signing with a WWE really hasn't gotten the break yet so I maintain he's probably Just resting up and healing hopefully

[00:24:12] But I heard this match was the shits. I heard it was dumb. I heard there were moments where you could actually see people like peeking up Over the ring to see if it was their turn to come in and do something

[00:24:23] I didn't see all of that part but it was not good. It was just like oh It was It wasn't good at all it was like a lot of like I don't know they had different directions and they didn't ask you know what to do

[00:24:38] They got confused in that at some point I don't believe like who was he go? Okay speaking of what let me guess let me guess Rignox was the referee. You see I think he was or wasn't Aubrey it was him or Aubrey Who was the ref like

[00:24:59] Check but I forgot who the ref was I forgot I think it was Aubrey because Jim made a Jim made a reference He said did you notice that Aubrey sounded like Ethon Merman when she was kind of he was just She's like a ring

[00:25:23] I don't know why that made me laugh so hard but We got speaking of stupid shit though. I got a bone to paper with you

[00:25:34] And I keep I kept for getting to bring I kept bringing to bring this up but you had made mentioned you would told me about a match That happened at it was what was the a w paper view prior to For bendor was that double or nothing

[00:25:52] Yeah, okay, was like the cash Like I know something it was it was a paper view And it was a match with Darby But apparently you neglected to mention to me that they hung Darby Allen upside down

[00:26:13] on a cable in the middle there. Oh yeah, I forgot to go about that in here and apparently they set him on fire Or they set jungle boy they said jungle boy on fire oh Okay Well with the reason and

[00:26:31] I got I got admit when I heard the details of that I did get I don't get offended by much And I shouldn't say I was offended but I was just like I can't believe they were so stupid to do that

[00:26:41] Everyone involved in the reason being is because Owen hearts widow Was in the audience She was there. Oh she was yeah, because it was the start it was the start of the Owen cup

[00:26:57] Oh, yeah, you're right you're right. Yeah, so the widow of Owen hearts who for those of you who don't know Owen heart died from

[00:27:04] I mean it was an accident but he fell from a case he was doing the blue blazer gimmick and he would fly into the ring on a cable and obviously broke and he and he died So while Owen hearts widow is at the show

[00:27:22] You proceed to suspend somebody upside down 20 some out of feet in the air on a cable So not only going over the stupidity of that just in a vacuum It's just what yeah, so it's dumb on its face because and especially for Darby Allen

[00:27:43] Like it'd be one thing to do it for a job or but I would still say it's it's not worth risking anyone's life for that

[00:27:49] And if you're gonna do it to a job or it's not worth it and it's not worth the risk to do it to one of your main event talents who already has a death wish Yeah, I I

[00:28:04] Think that might have been not the nail on the coffin, but that's kind of when I've made a conscious decision to be like I'm not gonna try super hard to watch a UW because every time I watch it, I'm disappointed and then

[00:28:16] I'm disappointed at best and insulted at worst so I hope it gets better But I'm gonna be honest. I don't really want to watch it until I get wind of things really changing around there

[00:28:29] And I know that's heresy because I know you got it. You got a supportive you got a support a man It's like yeah, I did I supported him from day one and how did they repay me?

[00:28:38] They got rid of or ran off every legitimate major star they ever had That would get out because they still have some but they're still under contract Um, and they give TV time to like and Marco stunt his back

[00:28:57] Yeah, Marco stunt did came back. I think it was on collision so there's So many more storage and he had a match with jungle boy I'm sorry with Jack Perry with jungle jack off It's probably the one time thing

[00:29:17] But here's the thing about that that makes it even stupider Because the fact that Jack Perry who's supposed to be who's supposed to be

[00:29:25] Associated with the top heel stable and allegedly one of the top heels in the company or so they're trying to present him as a competitive match with a guy that's less than five feet tall Competitive match

[00:29:39] Not a squash match see a squash match. No a squash match would have made sense because then they could have played it It's like oh, yeah, now

[00:29:47] Well cuz now Jack's not doing this for a fun of it now. He means business so he's not gonna play around you know

[00:29:54] But no, he had a competitive time to ruin his past. You know yeah, but in setting out a competitive match with this match should have been To not even two minutes minute and a half tops. Yeah, I guarantee you was every bit of

[00:30:12] At least seven to ten minutes guaranteed I mean the clip itself was like four so So I can only imagine it was yeah, I do And I mean I I wish Marco stun all the luck in the world, but I mean come on like

[00:30:37] There's there's underdogs and then there's Bullshit To me he is like the rock star spike What rock star spud what's not I gotta be here Well, but rock star spud was a cruiser way Marco like let and don't mean this disparaging. This is an actual term

[00:31:03] Marco stunned as a mini He's he's he's he's he's he's he's like he's like the tallest mini, but he's He's a dwarf among Hobbits Yeah, he doesn't look like it's so Not not proportionably no, but I mean hype wise exactly that for yes

[00:31:27] I mean he looks he looks like a child He does It's just one of those things where I'm not gonna say he's not good, but They can't tell be the okay here's the problem with Marco's stunt It's the same problem with Reho

[00:31:49] When somebody is that much smaller than everybody else Even if they're good at what they do it's obvious that they're cooperating because I'm sorry when Marco stunts Successfully executes a hurricane ranna on bubble raid Dudley I Know what's bullshit Yeah, you know

[00:32:13] Then that's actually you know what I don't think he did a hurricane ranna on bubble raid, but he's done it on Bigger people before and it's like this is obvious cooperation Just like the spot with Reho that I can't stand the whole somebody covers her

[00:32:27] But they do it obviously so that she can back bend out of it And it's so weird it's dumb because it because the other person has to let her out She is not big enough to get out on her own

[00:32:45] So the other person the other person has to look a modified knee plank I mean she to be fair she could probably get out of a Marco stunt cover He's probably the only one that thinks you're fired her see why don't do that match have that match

[00:33:05] Yeah, we though be like sore blue vote They they like they like they like the ender gender matches so why not have it Which probably Reho's disappeared from TV again? I don't know if your her hashy. I don't know has she been around

[00:33:22] I thought she was back then Japan or something like that I should probably I don't I don't know but But yeah, I heard the match was the shits and If I'm wrong let me know but I don't

[00:33:37] Everything I know you was completely right he was even right by the rough it was Rick Knox Well, Rick Knox is always so there there was some match that Aubrey Edwards County and apparently sounded like FOMERA But Rick Knox is always the young bucks referee and

[00:33:53] As you as your well aware if you watched the previous episode I have Rick Knox I would fire an RB He's not a good referee and I don't know if it's I don't I don't know that he chooses to be a bad referee

[00:34:07] Or if he just is bad but either way. I honestly don't know which one's worst Probably intentionally being a bad referee I think he's bad by his lean more towards lean tours and that people know that he's bad Sounds okay Yeah, what what what was the next match?

[00:34:31] It was the old-and-heart foundation Men's tournament it was Ryan Dyson versus To Gashi Oh show Shingo to Kabi. Yes, single of Taki Okay, so here's the thing about shingo I was watching New Japan when he debuted with Lij I'm given to understand that he'd been there before

[00:34:58] But then went to another promotion and then came back to join Lij when somebody was injured actually Never been a fan. I've never understood it I think this is another case where I I probably wrong because everybody seems to like shingo's work

[00:35:15] I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying I don't I don't get it. He's kind of like senata to me Everybody was on the senata train and I'm just like I don't Don't see it like again not to say senata is bad

[00:35:31] I just don't see what all the hubbub was because when senata was first Starting at his push he looked like generic wrestler number four You know he didn't talk he had one facial expression his hair was kind of goofy but not like

[00:35:47] And now he's got the whole like super blonde mohawk thing going and then yeah, I guess now at least he looks different But I remember watching some like why are they pushing this dude? Yeah, I feel the same way like it's he's okay

[00:36:01] He's a good wrestler, but to me he's he could give him more credit than when he's worth In the way like he's not that exciting That's just it. But you know that's just it. Yeah, he's not that exciting generic

[00:36:15] Yeah, I just remember when he had his first like I WGP title match which he did not win by the way But action like the only of the belt and he just has this face the whole time This is You know, I was just like

[00:36:37] Any who yeah, so how was this one? Well, I was pretty good. It was like It was like a more of a new Japan style match Now rough pain heart spots They both who like they were in pain a lot pain It wasn't that The finish was okay

[00:37:04] I'm sorry. I just looked down somebody called long-known circle jerk Join the TikTok First of all fan-tastic user name. And secondly welcome I are some of these people the names they come up with I feel that's pretty good though That's that's that's good two toes on that

[00:37:35] Can I send you a little trophy here? No, I can't just I don't know how but you you get an imaginary trophy For best best user name that I've seen today I mean in Brian Danielson's another person

[00:37:49] I've been kind of frustrated with in a w because again. I've seen him Do incredible work and I'm not saying the matches are bad, but there's really no build-up so It hits less because it means less

[00:38:05] You know like think about when Daniel Brian was writing the yes movement wave of the audience saying no We want him and Them telling that story and then when he finally won it was That it was ten times more powerful because of it whereas here

[00:38:24] It's just kind of like hey Brian who do you want to wrestle? That's the way it goes some guy from Japan fool Book it But don't actually book it just make them match And then say in one month

[00:38:45] You and I who have never wrestled or met each other before and again this ring and beat the shit on each other for no reason Yeah, it feels like it's just like mash after match. She has like the last good thing he had was like with

[00:39:04] Will illegal when we came in I would do that part or other than that to me this it just like have matches every week Yeah, go back back when the black pool combat club made sense Yeah, yeah, pretty much like

[00:39:24] Even were they I think it was going to turn or he'll in a way they come dead, but To me then That's another thing that's another thing the AEW does is

[00:39:37] They turn heels into baby faces with the still act like heels and then baby faces have to act heels To be popular And it's just and and it changes from week to week so yeah They they don't know how to book baby faces at all

[00:39:54] But they really don't know how to book heels either is the only person in that company that could really be considered a heel is mjf and even they screwed that up by turning in baby face Yeah, I absolutely hate the whole MJ after what I'm called

[00:40:11] We said it man, we said it. I didn't like it all we said this is the stupidest thing ever and it's even made me not care to watch mjf And that's saying Yeah Absolutely Like because they want to wash Why are they not

[00:40:30] It's it's it's right there actually you know what I would love to see I was thinking about this the other day Here's what I would love to see and this is going to take some time Make the four pillars a stable while they're all still there

[00:40:46] Yeah, I can see it and make this all mjf's master plan to be like you know what When I signed with this company I was told that wins and losses matter

[00:40:56] I was told that this is where the best are going to wrestle and I was told this is where young talent will be elevated Well guess what ever since money marked Tony Khan

[00:41:08] Started getting a hold of old WWE guys and he can't even keep a hold of half of them The four pillars and it can be their version of the four horsemen Yeah, I mean think about it because

[00:41:22] And it's about the only way you could turn Darby Allen heel But I think they could do it. I mean think about that think about a stable where And you could even erase this Heal elite nonsense too

[00:41:38] Well actually the actually the four pillars went end up being baby faces Because they obviously feud against the elite Right, you know because they're the old guard But I mean think about that mjf Darby Allen even Jack Perry can be saved with this kind of storyline

[00:42:01] And then whom I mjf Darby Allen Jack and Sammy Guevara and Sammy Guevara needs saved Right now Have you gone seeing them god knows what they're doing Well think about it the four pillars confused with the bucks Ocata and Jericho Yeah, I would definitely watch that

[00:42:24] I'd love that. I'd watch the hell out of that Yeah, and then when it's finally time to break it up you can go into your Gamdog you can go into your Darby Allen mjf promo

[00:42:38] Think even bring it um brick baker as along the pillar yeah, I thought about that too when I was like yeah And you can even have brick baker be one of the pillars because Yeah, I mean it's just It's right there, man It's

[00:42:57] Right there if they do it that will actually make Great rust It would make it would make a you w much watch TV must watch TV again Hello, you can you can elevate that into a whole like war between

[00:43:13] Basically two super factions and it would work because you've got your young stars plus your AEW original So didn't come from WWE directly You know you can get Scorpio skyback on TV Yeah, he can get Jamie Hayder back on TV

[00:43:32] He's been going from a severe yeah, not more And mj think of the promos man mjf can be like there was only one of you that actually tried to do any of this shit Cody Rhodes and you ran him off

[00:43:47] Because he was trying to build a wrestling company You know It could be great He's like you ran off jade you ran off Jade Cargill who was rookie of the year You know

[00:44:05] You ran off CM punk which other than max bowl jacca premium was the number one drawing star this company's ever seen I mean think of the heat he could get but not heat for him heat for aid Because everything he'd be saying would be correct

[00:44:24] Actually, he could bring back tell everything ever said before the reason why they're No, the way they act now and he could look in the camera and go Tell me what I'm telling lies Tony

[00:44:40] It would be such good shit man. It would be such good shit, but they won't do it because it's smart They're this so he's stuff with the elite What if you think about it it can it can be their version of it could be their

[00:44:56] Therefore horsemen there and w o it could be their super stable and it's a group that makes sense It's a group that Especially with what's happening now it would make sense for them to get together because it's like hey the company looking out for us

[00:45:12] So clearly exactly exactly Like they go all see their aims see is going down. They like they got to do something so we're gonna do our ourselves Now if you get him as a booker Book of the year Honestly and that would

[00:45:29] And it would make the young bucks actual heels which is what they're trying to do now, but Yeah, but it would make them a jidmet the heels and what would be really cool is when Kenny Omega's fully back

[00:45:43] He could be caught in the middle because Kenny Omega was another one of those indie guys You know, yeah, he's an EVP, but he's on record saying like I didn't even want to be an EVP

[00:45:52] I just wanted to wrestle. I just wanted to make and he could be a constant pull Yeah, between them like history with the young bucks like a Vostar this No, but and it's hard. He's still the serrestal say no The

[00:46:09] Well they won't do it because it would require the EVPs and Tony Khan to acknowledge That they mess up Live on air they have to do it for it to work and make sense now they can do it from a heel perspective that's fine

[00:46:26] But they'd have to admit it, but yeah, I think that would be awesome. But anyway if you think about it They didn't like make money with see on public by he was there They do the like the whole thing Yeah, I mean with like the whole

[00:46:43] Backstage thing yeah, you know like oh I see what you mean, you know, yeah, they did they couldn't well They're they're they're kind of like the US government in a way because when they see an opportunity that is literally just a good idea Yeah, like they're like now

[00:47:01] It's too good of an idea We're not gonna do that that just makes too much damn sense But any who what was it? I love you know what you know what else we haven't done yet. This is how little we care about this show

[00:47:16] We haven't even said who won these matches oh Yeah, the first Mgf Yeah Six men tag was The elite of course it was and And Ryan Denson beats Shingo Cool But yeah, that's that's funny because that's how little Yeah, I know it's like What oh

[00:47:47] Winston losses don't matter anyway Back there and you watch Shingo will be a betcha Shingo was on collision later that week You probably was yeah, I'd be willing to bed money

[00:48:00] There's like yeah, he just had a match with Brian Daniels in the best start sling the world and this week He's facing Luchesshor number seven I'm gonna sit ours Cassidy Probably Probably lose two

[00:48:20] That could be was that could be a funny that could be a funny bit with the the four pillars and Orange Cassidy wants to join up with them and Mgf literally Thur is a pie in this face Yeah, I'm actually on this too. It was not that guy

[00:48:41] Which one It was Zach Saber dream versus Orange Cassidy. Oh, you've got God dammit Are you serious? On Zach one I'm glad you did Yeah, because he probably okay so I Zach Saber Jr is another person where I'm not gonna say I never enjoyed his work

[00:49:05] But I kind of I got I got sick of it real early because again He's he's guy I get he he he's he's tiny. I know he's six one but he's tiny

[00:49:18] As as an old friend of mine said in his comedy act he's like the palestie the obian Like he's yeah And here's the thing so the first thing you're not at the sea other YouTube

[00:49:34] Zach Saber Jr is a submission specialist which would be fine if he looked like he could pick up You know 50 pounds The problem is because to put a submission in you actually do have to be able to Use at least a fair bit of strength

[00:49:53] Especially with guys that are 200 plus pounds of solid muscle like they will be able to just power out of most of your shit When you look like that Like a Samoa Joe like Samoa Joe was like one

[00:50:07] Yeah, so like Samoa Joe is the Samoa submission machine. Yeah, I buy that all day long I buy that all day long Even by Daniel Bryan who was smaller but he looks like he goes to the gym He goes Yes, absolutely because he does good

[00:50:30] But I will say this about Zach Saber Jr at least previously he always at least presented the gimmick as legitimate So he probably did say I'm not getting in the ring with that idiot unless I'm gonna win

[00:50:45] Because it's stupid and if I lose to him it's gonna ruin any credibility I ever had Which is already slim to none because well, I don't eat I mean he looks like the world's most angry as vegan like

[00:51:07] But yeah, so that's that that's how I have to say about that But it wasn't that great but match to be honest. It was slow. It was a lot of like hand holding Did he hug him A lot

[00:51:32] But so here's the other reason why it's stupid to have that match in the first place because okay I'm sure like I said I'm sure Zach Saber Jr said I'm not having this match unless I beat him Fine, but who's gonna be on EW television the next week

[00:51:50] The mascot The little dog pockets Tony cons Secret crush You know, so now how do you explain why I mean you can't explain why You can explain why pockets loses a match like that because well the way he's presented

[00:52:12] It's it's a travesty because I know orange Cassidy can wrestle So I wonder I saw a video from him. I think it was any ball But where he did the world's slowest Canadian destroyer Oh

[00:52:28] See the whole reason he got hired those because his antics are funny to pro wrestlers Yeah It makes as as Jim would say as Mr. Cornette would say it makes the boys pop So they assume that it'll make the audience pop and it did for a minute

[00:52:55] I'll admit it the first time I saw it I did laugh, but I also said Yeah But then he had the match of revolution against pack and I was like why does he do this because he can wrestle Well I might add like a cruiser way, but still

[00:53:21] You know, but anyway, I'd address those ex-saber spent him next Oh, it was the EW one this title next world's title Yeah No, I heard I heard that it this it her name's Mieneshira collar right Yeah Yeah, it is I may have Mariah May

[00:53:46] Yeah, but it was it was it was it was it was okay I'm given to understand that Mieneshira collar was at least being honest about what women's wrestling is Oh, yeah So I mean I get I guess points for that I guess

[00:54:08] But like actually Brian last said something that made me chuckle because it's true he was like a W was women's division is basically a wedgie contest Honestly That's back of it. That's that's why it made me laugh I

[00:54:27] Was kind of like and I mean respect to Jamie hey, or And that's all I'm gonna say but You know it made it made me laugh for a reason he said and he said I'll give credit

[00:54:37] We're trying to do at least Mieneshira collar was being honest about it What's it? The worst match I've seen There Yeah, good spice Well, I was going to say because I've heard good things about Mieneshira collar why just haven't seen her wrestle yet

[00:54:56] So I'm not gonna and and I've said it before and I'll say again Tony storm is one of those people where I still don't get it but there's clearly something there I just I just don't see it so

[00:55:07] Well, I may not like it so a reason why like if I was putting age a w I was if I was putting charge of a W I would not fire Tony storm no

[00:55:16] Just because I don't get it doesn't mean there's not something there and the gimmick is not so stupid that it And let's let's be honest here the wrestling business is already dead in terms of being taken seriously in any way shape or form so

[00:55:31] Like you kind of have to tolerate some of the goofiness, but You know so Tony storms gimmick is not so insulting that it just completely makes fun of wrestling

[00:55:43] It's just a little bit on the goofy side which is fine because I mean at least it sticks to it Which I guess I saw something where Mariah may finally double cross her

[00:55:52] And I'm watching this because Tony storms bleeding and Mariah may's hitting her in the face with a heel and the whole time I'm thinking why is Tony storm just sitting there letting her stab her in the face when she is completely conscious

[00:56:07] Yeah, she's this move she's not unconscious She couldn't move she could stand up she could click her she could fighter But no she's just sitting there fully conscious like hit me again, Mariah It me again But it's okay because it's in the script

[00:56:29] But who who want I get why I guess Tony won because I saw that she still has no How how was Mina She's actually pretty good of like those shows she type she was in she was in

[00:56:44] Start them right yeah, she's actually pretty good sure reminds me a low of like of Oscar not as tough But she's she knows she's there. I was appreciate I was appreciated Oscar style because of how I don't I don't mean this in a bad way but how

[00:57:06] I don't want to say sloppy but I can't because it's not sloppy but the thing is it looks It looks more genuine and less like gymnastie Because when Oscar hits somebody it looks like she's actually hitting somebody

[00:57:21] Yeah, so it's I guess it's a rougher. It's a rougher style and I always appreciated that Yeah, the some of them they do almost like gymnastics type Movement and doesn't it looks a little on a soft side a

[00:57:38] It doesn't look like a really hit someone yeah, but yeah, she's pretty good so what was next? By the way, I heard that with the pre show which is part of the paper view but whatever narrative is four and a half hours Who was like two

[00:58:07] Maybe the main maybe the main card I don't know I'm I'm going by other people, but if that's true I would like to point out that's almost that's almost double The average WWE premium live event

[00:58:21] That's almost double. It's not quite double, but it's almost double and if you add the media scram it's triple Which we don't because it's separate but What was next? Yeah, the next match Oh The six-man attack match that was Hoke Shibara Samoa Joe

[00:58:51] And big bill was Jericho and Jeff Cobb Oh, yeah, I heard that Jeff Cobb was like a last minute Yeah, it felt that way it like he was a re-posed to be there, but then his put him there for some reason

[00:59:11] It was okay, but it went like 14 minutes too long I'm assuming it wasn't an extremely good match Not so much It I will the the pie hat Promotion was hope is like they make him like he's oh no

[00:59:36] Oh, Superman or something because like he's the drone guys and drone big bill and all that it's a little unrealistic Not to say that Hoke isn't not tougher anything, but He should be there a rossimolo Joe I mean, um Nassimolo Joe big bill looks weird

[01:00:08] They have someone like five maybe seven Five six They're on someone like seven feet tall yeah Yeah So First Ash yoke the goodness match though I thought who's our win and then somehow Hoke him back to life and be cursed I think of his own move Jericho

[01:00:40] Of course, but yeah, I just I'll I'll put it to you this way Even if I had paid for the paper view, I wouldn't have wanted to watch this match And I just again this is frustrating because I want to like Jericho I appreciate Jericho

[01:00:57] Yeah, but just some like everybody's loving this whole learning tree thing It's nails on a chalkboard for me Which I honestly here's the thing and I can appreciate this it's supposed to be

[01:01:09] But to me it for me personally it's giving me it's making me feel more like go away He rather than like somebody kick his assy Yeah, I'm just like just stop doing it because it's annoying Thanks guys, although I do appreciate him

[01:01:24] Making fun of Tony Khan and Tony Khan not understanding that he's making fun of Tony Khan That's a good part of the book so I can I can appreciate that and I was one of the guys who was I'm still on on a little bit of the bubbly

[01:01:41] Oh yeah, yeah, like I love it. I can never like hate the stir or go away Like bro, oh no let's let's let's let's let's let's not though that far All thanks are possible in Jericho That's too much right

[01:01:59] I was gonna say the sooner it's good soon as you say that He'll give you a reason to hate him Yeah, well So what was what was next Excellent was the a w tnt wire match It was with a jack curry Dante Martin Elf Pasimo

[01:02:26] Leo rushers in this too. I was shocked And Mark Brisco very random yeah, cuz it was like I understand Dante Martin being there I wasn't too sure who of Pasimo was I was shocked Leo rushers even in there after he been left and

[01:02:53] Mark Brisco is there too. Was it Elf and Tasmo Yeah, Elf Pasimo yeah, he's he's a he's a new japan guy but I can't remember if he's American I can't remember if he's American or Canadian but he's he's from North America but he's over there

[01:03:12] I believe he's still in bull it could he may not be in bull club anymore, but at one time he was Oh I never really understood He he was another kind of generic not generic but Went to central high flyer can a guy yeah

[01:03:29] Like jack Evans would just a little bit taller Yeah, that's It was a decent match It wasn't I mean everybody involved has the physical ability of except for Jack Perry but and Jack Perry wanted it enough Yeah, he'd one of the TNT tag Okay

[01:04:00] Next one was the a the RTVS title Which we all know Yeah Sayies and Stephanie back her she was actually pretty I heard Stephanie was good She was she was yeah and because she was good they had Mercedes beater

[01:04:20] And next to think I honestly would have him trade Like ever I had her and it then Mercedes she's actually really good Never seen one at one time never but I really liked it this match with her

[01:04:37] And again, it's frustrating because I was a big stop. I was a Sasha Banks fan. I want to like Mercedes Monet but I think she's another person who Is better when she's produced and she's not producing herself not everybody's the rock

[01:04:53] If A W has shown us anything it's that not everybody's the rock Like sure the rock can produce whatever he wants it'll be dynamite because You know he's the rock But not everybody's the rock some people just need producers to be like hey here's what we're doing

[01:05:12] Here's what you're saying go out and do it and they'll do it flawlessly But some people just can't book for shit And what I love about this though is they're booking Mercedes Bigger than they're booking their world champion

[01:05:29] Yeah, there are I didn't why didn't you just have Mercedes go for the world title I doesn't make any sense and and now Brit Baker who I would argue is their biggest women star in the history of the company

[01:05:47] Is coming back is for me is coming back to feud with the midcard title Not the world title

[01:05:54] Which she's already won by the way that's like well I was gonna say that's like seen I coming back to when the US title, but he did that so never mind So my point has no leg to stand on so It just

[01:06:11] I mean I guess you can make the case that again well it's Mercedes Monet. It's like yeah Well, she's not the world champion What would yeah? It's it's it's a placeholder booking decision But we know that Mercedes won Yeah, she won

[01:06:33] The way she won was business like the bank statement or wherever that new Moves Want to the one that she bought her first debut in New Japan Yeah, which which okay to be fair. I'm not sure that was entirely her fault so I'll

[01:06:53] Don't know but I just remember that was the moment when I said oh this was a this is not gonna work So the same thing I mean It's it's not even a reflection of her it's the shock it's the shock master problem when you have

[01:07:10] When you have that big of a crash on a debut you can't salvage that And to be fair. I don't think that was gonna be smooth sailing either he had a litter storm trooper helmet Me too Could you imagine that pitch being like yeah, it's this

[01:07:40] guy he's gonna wear It's gonna wear a very vest And a storm trooper helmet, but not just any storm trooper helmet because we can't do that for copyright reasons We're gonna glitter it That's Wall and loses it What's the good That's the Remorers Seeing that

[01:08:07] It's kind of like It's kind of like a mirrors debut when he went for the Well, he went for the camel clutch. I can't remember a game over. That's what he calls it and he missed

[01:08:20] Oh, and the guys the guys sitting there selling with no hands touching him at all Which is that's just unfortunate Oh, so what what what was next I WGP brotile it was NATO Nio versus John Moxley

[01:09:01] What you have to I know he probably won't see this, but Mr. Cornet asked the question so I will answer it I can actually answer Jim Mr. Cornet why nighto does this Confuses some people When nighto was when nighto was first starting out in New Japan

[01:09:22] He was the new I forget what year this was this may have been like 2012 in 2011 It was when he graduated from being a young lion. He was the chosen one. He was next in line But he wasn't ready

[01:09:37] He was him the audience did not take to him so they sent him on an excursion to Mexico and while he was in Mexico For those of you who may not know Audience is in Mexico are well, they're dicks Well, just put that way their racist dicks

[01:09:52] So everybody was going like this tonighto because he's Asia And so nighto this is in this is where nighto got in with los and go Bernables So what he started doing to give the audience a little finger is he started going like this to all of them

[01:10:07] And it stuck so when he went back to Japan he kept doing the same thing so now that's part of his gimmick So that is why that is why nighto Does that I have filmed in that was about if I know exactly how it came

[01:10:23] That way but I have filmed that was the reason And I like again nighto is another person that I like a lot But yeah, I've always appreciate nighto I was a Jericho

[01:10:40] Yeah, well and I can just appreciate because apparently and again this is probably sensationalized it is for wrestling But apparently nighto when he came back to Japan he really did have a bit of attitude like how I'm giving shit

[01:10:55] Like fuck the audience they don't like me. I'm just I'm gonna do what I want to do and The office is probably like hey they they like that go do that Kind of like DX you know, it worked yeah, oh it worked

[01:11:11] But also I think that was another case of like The best pro wrestling personalities are people who are themselves and dialed up to 11 or 12

[01:11:21] And I think I think there was actual resentment there in nighto so he just went out there and put it out there and said hey Fuck you guys You know, you didn't you didn't support me when I was just trying to be your guy your champion

[01:11:36] So I'm gonna go out here and do me and the funny thing about that is people respected Yeah, that's what I started watching them That's all it's pretty good. Yeah, that while he's still Maybe not a household name but He's certainly up there

[01:11:53] Oh, yeah, I was like all the top five like And guys that people know certainly today Well in nighto nighto is one of those guys. So I kind of pride myself on this I'm not always right, but I'm right a lot of the time

[01:12:09] The first time I see or like doing somebody day abuse I generally can get a feel for how far they'll go I there's been a Handful of exceptions where I was just wrong

[01:12:21] But nighto was one of those guys the first time I saw him I was like oh That's a world champion He's not there yet, but I see it. It's it's there You know

[01:12:34] Funnily enough seeing punk was one of those guys too when I first started watching wrestling in like 2000 late 2005 2006 Was when he started to do the vignettes for debut on an ECW and I was like I don't get it

[01:12:47] I don't get why I get the sense that he's gonna be a big star because he's so different from everybody else But I just I just knew it Yeah, you know and sure it took a while, but he definitely got there

[01:13:01] Trying to something about him that was unique that was like he's different. He's more than allow with the main guys But but it still serves and he just shines more than that they did Yep, that it did so I got to pride myself on that

[01:13:18] Like I said I'll admit when I'm wrong But I thought the same thing about Britt Baker and I mean all in Britt Baker not AEW Britt Baker

[01:13:26] Oh, when I saw her at all in she was the only one and well that's not true because I had or well actually I never got that feeling about test of blanchard there was always something and I couldn't put my finger on it

[01:13:38] But I was like world champion yes, but not like a history making one But Britt Baker I was like I don't know there's something about her Because I had I had no idea who she was

[01:13:50] And sky it was I was the opposite when I first saw I was like I'm Just numeric and then later on when I saw her match like oh there's something definitely there She's definitely should be a world title guy. Oh girl

[01:14:03] Well, maybe she could be a world man And likewise the first time I saw Rihow I was like I Got to say the first time I saw Rihow I was like this is so stupid and they're gonna make her world champion because

[01:14:20] So I guess I was wrong on that one because I didn't see shit and she's been a two-time world champion As it's at least once she's been a world champion. I can't know she only wants one twice

[01:14:29] I think she was twice oh baby. I don't know but I got the sense with thunder rosa too. I was like oh world champ Yeah Hopefully hopefully WWE women's champion soon enough

[01:14:46] Because honestly she's she's she's she's one of the many people. I don't know but she's one of the many people that's being wasted in a w It seems like there's resentment or something or yeah, there's something

[01:14:58] Well, I think that go I think that goes back to how she was brought in as the NWA women's champion not even in the contract But it's like sorry they needed ratings and with the exception of Britt Baker none of you were bringing it

[01:15:13] Yeah, it worked so I don't get why people hate Well, and I take that back as she did was she did was good too, but I blame Tony Khan's looking

[01:15:25] You know anyway well was next because like like is usually the case the say W paper views gone way too long Yeah, yeah the last match was the world type swir versus um Will awesome so they simultaneously buried their newest acquisition and their world champion Congratulations

[01:15:54] And I figured out how to put into words my problem my issue with most will-ospery matches Generally speaking they're two matches in one They go too long they do way too much like I remember his I think it was that wrestle it was a wrestle king

[01:16:12] That my belief yeah, I don't remember what in JPW paper view it was but it was him and omega They had two whole wrestling matches And there was one point where and I mean not criticizing the in-ring work at all its stellar

[01:16:26] Osprey hit him in the head and it looked like he killed him legitimate and he got a two count and then they got up and proceeded to have 15 more minutes of wrestling I was like It looked like you broke his neck It would have been the perfect finish

[01:16:50] And if you were a heel you would have gotten heat for it like a fuck and I watched the highlights of this match and the highlight real was too long Well, it was like a three minute match or something

[01:17:05] Yeah, I won't promise that I didn't care well and and for some reason for some reason They're doing this thing with swir v2 where you'll have the perfect finish And then they won't end it But don't end it like a minute and a half later With another move

[01:17:23] Yeah, that was the scaffold I think they did before yeah, I've seen him do like and he's got some brutal moves He's got that double stomp which That kick yeah the kick to the head which oh my god that thing looks ever standing

[01:17:40] Like that's the kind of finish yeah that's the kind of finish sure that honestly it looks so good that you genuinely like even though you know again, you know wrestling spades, but you see that and you're like Oh, I hope that was fake

[01:17:55] How much they can that be Like a little resource you'd but you'd be shocked. I saw I saw an interview with that infamous You remember I forget what show it was but I remember the Shelton Benjamin

[01:18:07] HBK mat in a spot where Shelton always bring boards off the top into a super kick Yeah, and he said he said Sean barely touched me and I was like really because it looked like he killed you Yeah

[01:18:21] That's one of my favorite spots ever because oh my god, and that's why the super kick should be a finisher Yeah Not anymore. It's like you need like a hundred of them per match well as as someone with a

[01:18:38] As someone who's seen and taken a lot of different side kicks Some people got it and some people don't so clearly HBK has got it and the young bucks don't because if you have to throw six side kicks to somebody's head did not them out

[01:18:53] You kick like a Not sorry That's why sweet chin music was a finishing move Yeah, I'm like what's that happened? If you take one of those in the jaw if you survive if you're not conscious And plus I mean Sean Michaels did his second to none like

[01:19:21] Shelton Benjamin. I'm so I'm so Like so underrated and I'm in your eyes so underrated I came back The fact that he was with hurt well the fact that he's never been WWE champion. I think is a crime Yeah

[01:19:42] Because here's the thing like I get Brock Lesnar's big. I've seen Shelton Benjamin next to Brock Lesnar He ain't that much smaller I've seen Shelton next to Bobby Lashley He's not that much smaller Shelton You bigger now Yeah, no, I need any got bigger arms Yeah

[01:20:09] He got that random you're an protein powder I don't know the fuck you guys are eating but can I get some Does it come in pill form or is it injection only Is that time off That that that time off serum that time off serum brother

[01:20:31] Oh, God, but yeah, I And the the sad part is Shelton Benjamin is almost 50 Yeah, and he should he could be so valuable in AEW But apparently Max Caster was saying that he doesn't want Shelton Benjamin there and I'm just like well

[01:20:55] And as much as I like Matt Max Caster Bro You could get in there and have Shelton Benjamin teach you how to wrestle Who not only and Shelton Benjamin is a rare commodity in that

[01:21:13] He's an exceptional singles and tag team wrestler. He's done both and he's done both extremely well Right, yeah, not many people would say they were both singles and tag and actually they well Yeah, and for for any extended period of time too Yeah, so

[01:21:32] I don't know hopefully we see Shelton Benjamin and AEW My brother seemed in WWE, but I'll tell I'll put it to you this way if AEW has Shelton Benjamin I'll start watching again because there's there's hope Yeah

[01:21:46] He'd be an invaluable asset to them both in and out of the ring along with Jeff Jarrett I really wish Tony Con would give Jeff Jarrett the the the pencil. I really do Oh my yes, is this any buddy, but

[01:22:05] Well, because a lot in here's the thing a lot of people blame Jeff Jarrett for TNA and that's not Not entirely his doing in fact a lot of the bad shit was stuff that he was against at least according to mr. Cornet

[01:22:21] So but if you look if you look back across win Jeff Jarrett was a booker for the most part it was good stuff and I think we could use some of that southern wrestling mentality again

[01:22:35] You don't know what you had till let's go on hit to save but I think even Vince Russo I hope some time No What's by the way speaking speaking of Vince Russo if you want to have yourself a laugh go to YouTube and look up gym cornnet

[01:22:59] Bitch slap he reads from one of Vince Russo's books A television stream in the hero for his basically his rip off of glow Oh yeah, yeah, oh Welcome to bitch slap where you can see such female wrestling superstars as toxic shock and Yes, it is what you think

[01:23:31] And yes, I'm really glad that show never got made not that it would have But Anyway So yeah, I'm not moxley lost the NJPW title. Yeah, yeah, yeah, mostly lost Nio and Serve retained well

[01:23:55] Yeah, so like I said simultaneously bearing their world champion in their newest high dollar acquisition and one match so good job Does what are you gonna do now?

[01:24:05] They put will in that spot too soon and they'd already buried swirve honestly. They should have just put the title on will Yeah, like if you go in bury him mine's what they're a good job

[01:24:17] Yeah, I mean you've already dug the hole just kick him in already like don't Like not for nothing because you get at least then rehabilitate him somehow with another storyline but this

[01:24:28] His world title reign is already like you're I'm not saying you can't fix it, but it's gonna be an uphill battle Yeah, it's gonna be a vote for them Exactly and you just got in you know he lost and then you got swirve

[01:24:42] Who been like lost or since like last four pivoters? Yeah, so But anyway, so that was forbidden door Hopefully they would I wish they would close it but It's not if you're bitten door anymore when you have one every year. Yeah, that's

[01:25:04] But I don't know if that's been about I digress anyway What happened next I guess I would technically be oh That was the last match. It was the world time. I mean, I mean next in the the week of wrestling that would be

[01:25:24] Money in the bank it was pretty good Yeah, I heard again. I I had not I actually forgot it was going on and I Was busy working on the other objects but but you did watch it so I saw some of it like some I saw

[01:25:44] Most of the matches think there's only one match I didn't see well, let's uh, can you pull up that card to please? Because I know this will be a more manageable length While you're doing that we should point out that Ethan page

[01:26:02] One or ego one more championship and NXT in a month and I've get me didn't hold time made up And I'll give credit we had to do is looking good and

[01:26:14] Ethan page is another person that I didn't really get but for some I don't know if it's the lighting in NXT But I see something there now I did it's it's the strangest thing I literally didn't even Sean Spears looks better in NXT which I

[01:26:32] That's going to be a tragedy at least they're calling him Sean Spears and they didn't call him Ty Dylan sure again But oh, yeah, that's a plus yeah, well, but I don't see much happening for Sean Spears just because of his age

[01:26:50] And it's a shame because he's he's exceptional But I just think there were too many years of him trying to Get into a spot and for whatever reason not getting there and it's it's a shame, but I don't I don't see much

[01:27:06] For him after the maybe the icy title Yeah, I just see that I could see the icy title maybe NXT championship, but he all you Ethan page wanted and we also saw Joe Henry appear a second time in NXT I got to wonder is Joe Henry under contract

[01:27:30] You would think he is Is he other who stood in that no, I mean under contract. I mean under contract in TNA Yeah, yeah, he was still

[01:27:43] I don't know man. I think well, okay, so let's so I've been hearing people talk about how I Josh Alexander and then obviously is Wrestling other places too and then you got Joe Henry in Jordan Grace doing dates in WWE

[01:27:56] So I'm guessing that maybe TNA's big names have You know, thanks in their contracts where they can do other stuff to get more money Uh-huh That would that would make sense and plus it's good for TNA, so But yeah, Joe Henry is somebody that I think once

[01:28:17] His TNA contract is up. I think he'll be I think he'll be in NXT I think so too. I think they might be sewing the seeds there already And I think you might just see Jordan Grace and here on the road too much I don't think he will

[01:28:37] Does he help Can ever remember his name it's not He's called him Cecil Ah, but the the the old NXT champion he helped him and he tagged with him in a match against he can page in Sean Spears The hell says name. It's not

[01:28:59] Anyway, and like I said, I just think you'll find Jordan Grace appearing on the main roster Once her TNA contract is up And then again, I'll set before I say it again. I believe so. Yeah

[01:29:19] At seven four I'll say it again. I don't like Jordan Grace. I don't like her as a person But I like her a lot as a wrestler Yeah, I'm sorry for the same way but you didn't be for them. I never did care for her

[01:29:33] I don't I I'll be honest. I think she's kind of a shitty person But It works and in the ring it works, so Okay For the money and in the bank match the first one was actually the men's match Interesting

[01:29:59] Yeah, I was I was shocked that they started Them first yeah, they usually don't good Yeah, it was a caramel phase That's the guy Okay, um They have This guy just saw it Okay, they had a comelahaze on dry on dry day jailsome shy gable and all night

[01:30:36] Yeah Suggest me or most of those guys two big in names to be in the money in the bank match well Well drew is Yeah, I think he would be all that I could see Carmelo is like yeah, I can see Carmelo first one

[01:30:57] Even Andrea I'm trying it man. I miss when money in the bank was at WrestleMania That was only first years Right, yeah Well, again that's when that's when it was basically like the battle of the upper midcard and it was like it

[01:31:17] It's like that's that's how you would get a guy into the world title picture easily I mean, hello it worked with a Damien priest worked wonders and now all like immediately Damien priest is

[01:31:32] He's he's gonna be in the world title picture as long as he's in WWE now Because you want it defendant looks like a champion But who who who who who who was Mr. Money in the bank oh? That was Uh

[01:31:50] Think was true. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure one all right I guess I guess it makes sense for the story, but whatever Yeah, it makes sense later on we It will it will make sense I want LA night to win yeah

[01:32:16] Yeah, but I mean honestly they're they're close to burying LA night because they built them up so much and Then he didn't win anything so Yeah, I'm still I'm still on the yeah, I was around I think it was going like

[01:32:35] Build him back up after braid I but Doesn't look good or mean they kind of were right, but I don't know yeah I don't know I trust I trust triple age I've learned to trust Paul

[01:32:53] If we're nothing else the awesome the awesome stuff we're getting with the bloodline stories And the fact that they hired Jacob Faut to which I mean I'm gonna be real with you

[01:33:06] I don't think Vince would have done that in a million years like no one is gonna like this guy It doesn't make sense what's it someone wearable if it doesn't make any sense

[01:33:17] Or he would have changed him like how come out in with the word with mass or You put him in a fucking clown costume You know you say that as a joke, but he actually did that to um It was Justin Gabriel and WWE effort a PJ black

[01:33:41] He put him in the bunny outfit Oh yeah, so he actually made him a furry By the way he has he has the greatest episode of getting fire the greatest story of getting fire from WWE Because he wasn't he wasn't being booked so

[01:33:57] Just didn't come to TV for months and He apparently was getting ready to jump Get on to a plane to go skydiving and he got a call and like where are you your matches up next? He was like fuck off. I'm not coming Yeah

[01:34:21] That is good that according to him that is what happened but so Mr. McIntyre is Mr. Money in the bank so what else we got what came what came next? The next one was a semi-zane versus a bron breaker. Oh Ooh Fuck that Bron lost Yes, I mean

[01:34:49] It was bound to happen sometime. I don't know that I was so this is again the A W does this more often in W W but sometimes every company will put themselves in a lose-lose situation

[01:35:00] And this this is one of them because Ron Breaker has been indestructible up to this point and Hmm, I get but Sammy's name By Randy Orton sure It's like the second time the second time he lost and it's got to some design

[01:35:18] Because there was like every time he faces on the loses That would make a call so I think it's like the second Time he lost gets semi Which doesn't seem right not to say Sammy's bad

[01:35:32] No, I again and that's where I'm at but right now you don't want to because they're clearly doing something with Sammy So you don't want him to lose So this is the lose-lose thing like again, Bron Breaker losing till like Randy Orton to John Cena

[01:35:48] I get that yeah Wait That carries a lot more weight yeah Yeah But yes, I mean like it's it's not the end of the world but at the same time. It's kind of like oh

[01:36:04] Yeah, just a low shock Ash you thought he was gonna lose I bet it was good match though Oh, it was good match. It was more like it wasn't that long Maybe like a 15-year match I don't know that the 15s are pretty pretty long match

[01:36:22] Yeah, it's decent sides but I guess it's kind of like a more essential paper view match yeah like Brian throwing him around the ring and That's essentially was the match. There's some throw him away and the reason I lost because Brian like charged him and

[01:36:43] Send me what move out the way and hit the Dering post It was like his only fault that he lost Oh well, that's what it fucking it But yeah, so Sam is in retained what came after that Next one was

[01:37:14] As long as it wasn't generic loot you door number two versus some guy off the street It was stuff versus um damn embrace Who the fuck who's who's Seth Seth Yeah stuff rolling got it okay

[01:37:34] He there was a botch in this I think towards the end I saw that and I'll be honest. I think it was a botch but I'm not 100% sure not like the top rope debacle From a little Which honestly I'm I'm shocked Damian didn't break his ankle

[01:37:57] With that I'm shot And then somebody else had a botch on that too because of the top rope I forget who though But yeah, I saw Damian I I'm I'm shot teeth and snap his ankle in half because for those of you aren't aware

[01:38:14] The ropes are actual ropes and They are pulled tight and you'd be amazed what a taught rope can do in terms of damage so Very very lucky Yeah This a wrong good match. I bet I bet it hurt like a motherfucker too

[01:38:33] Yeah, it looked like it. I bet that hurt a lot I thought it was gonna be only after that. I thought he was a scorned man I thought he was injured. I did. I thought he was injured I thought oh man that's that sucks for him

[01:38:49] But apparently he's fine So they good enough but I mean I imagine the Damian one and retained his title He won and then Drew cash Okay, wait hang on. So what oh did CM Punk screwed him again right? Yeah

[01:39:14] Okay, I take I take back I take back what I said about Drew winning the money in the bank That's the reason why he won because like Just defense storyline at punk Yeah, I take it back now if they waited I don't know

[01:39:35] It's I got this stuff is kind of the waste of the money that they just that's what I'm saying That's what I'm saying all on the same show even yeah If they teased it just for that so you know what they could have done

[01:39:48] Honestly, and they could have teased it and he could have still kept he could have come out and act like he was gonna cash him but then punk like blows his cover too soon

[01:39:57] Yeah, like he hops the barricade too soon and then Drew doesn't and then they could even fight on the outside Yeah, exactly So I was like I was coming away so money bank You know I think I didn't do that

[01:40:13] Yeah, there was there is another year that they got rid of it early though because I guess some years I get it when you have something like money in the bank you kind of book yourself into a corner to a certain extent because you have to have somebody

[01:40:26] Yeah, and usually it's it's just not I like how they used to do it where baby faces would be like I'm caching in on this day

[01:40:34] Such and she was like when RVD cash is in he's like I'm caching in at one night stand which was like four months away Yeah

[01:40:44] It was like that was the baby face thing to do the heels were the ones that would cash in right after a real title match, but now it doesn't matter That's like I think when I think it was when live Morgan did it

[01:41:00] I can't remember who now. I think it was live Morgan yeah and she did it right after a well title match and I was like I thought live Morgan was a baby face

[01:41:08] Why are they at the time she at the time she was and it's like why aren't they book here like a heel this doesn't but yeah now it now just doesn't matter So so Damian did retain

[01:41:22] Here it's a yeah he lost the return oh yeah, you did you lost he lost the guess that first And that's what the boss would happen and then Drew caching so wait, so did Seth win the world title back

[01:41:45] It seemed like he did it came up like a three count and ran the bell but then I remember some of the fears and Damian was looking like what Then some reason came out and became a triple drop match and then that's how

[01:42:03] Pump came in later. Okay, well still says on it still says that Damian priest is the world heavyweight champion so For yes, yes, okay, so when Hit drill with the bell or something Okay, well over the being there was a triple threat it wasn't Okay, whatever

[01:42:36] The next match was Oh the bloodline versus ranning coat on Coli and Kevin So who made up the bloodline contingent oh There was solo should they got fat too and Tomatanga Cool That it was good It was was I think smash the rough had

[01:43:10] Bell or something like that and a very lethal of course that's when Jacob like took advantage of that just not being out co-ie Yeah, you can always count on a referee to have a glass jaw when you need one Yeah

[01:43:29] Overall was a good match. Yeah, I mean to look at the people involved. I'm not I'm not shocked and all but who won yeah Oh, uh, solo It was good to say I assumed the bloodline did Yeah, you won and with the help of Jacob

[01:43:54] It kind of feels like He's gonna take over I'm not sure if they kind of like then may have Jacob take over and this beat

[01:44:05] Solo for it, but not too sure. I don't know man. Oh, I know as like I said I'm I'm trusting the bloodline storyline is one that I've just been long for the ride for For a while now because everything I'm like oh this would be really cool

[01:44:19] They they do it. I was like, I'd be really cool if there was like in fighting and you ended up with two bloodlines when they started kind of sewing the seeds of that and then

[01:44:26] Loan behold that's what they were doing and everybody's been talking for because it seemed like a four gone conclusion that Jacob Fatu is gonna be brought in at some point and sure enough and I will look like his brother's gonna be brought in at some point

[01:44:38] which makes sense because right now You It would be Roman and the usos versus the other four so they need another person presumably they need two Because either it's gonna be solo or the rock that's gonna head that other side

[01:44:57] Of the of the bloodline yeah, which I still think it's gonna come down to Roman versus rock Somehow someone yeah And it would be cool It would be cool So bloodline one was that the main of and now that wouldn't have been the main event

[01:45:24] Yeah, that was the main event. Oh that wasn't a main event So that was it. Yeah, well, imagine nice Short Your boobs good I enjoy more than maybe W one What's it that me? Mon that's for the actual story lines in this one

[01:45:45] Which is actually which is actually the point that was supposed to be the point of this episode which you kind of touched on but it's like where have all the story lines gone They got to W w Yeah They they left a w which a w was never

[01:46:01] Stellar with their story lines, but they used at least have them It was Lisa attempt to have one yeah now they may not have they may not have been very good, but I mean yeah Or like

[01:46:18] If you're lucky those shoot an angle like a week or two before Imagine some of them are literally made some of the major matches are literally made like the dynamite before paper view And yeah, well, I mean you can tell it happens on television

[01:46:38] So what else happened anything else of note happened Rasslin Uh, just those two that's the main thing Saw Feel like I'm forgetting something Was it an XT We talked about Joe Henry and ETH page

[01:47:02] Those the main two things that saw I feel like there was something else if you like there was something in a w that actually happened that might have been good But I could be wrong so they talked about it's only storm getting healed in the face

[01:47:16] Yeah, if it was I didn't see it I'll remember it after we go off Yeah, no that's how it and that's how it always happens Yeah, it's

[01:47:35] Just frustrating because you want to you want to root for a w but at the same time they just keep doing dumb shit Yeah, yeah Although I did I've Preferred it was was was for like washing new stars and like now I'm just like don't even care

[01:47:53] Yeah, and that's really because I keep seeing because I still follow the a w pages on social media I still maintain whoever is in charge of their social media should be fire because they upload the dumbest clips and the comp but the comments sections are gold

[01:48:10] Like I mean and like I love how every time they announced new DLC content for fight forever all the comments are the same Oh One person was like

[01:48:22] Like I saw they put out a new pack in one person's like there's 12 people playing it in the world on steam 12 there's 12 In the entire plant and the entire planet of Earth 12 people We're playing it at that moment. Are you looking? Yeah, I

[01:48:48] Let us let yeah, let us know how many people are playing fight forever 26 Have a good night It's almost double I'm not even lying there's Larry It says oh 27 now 27 peak players right now as it's me In the last 30 days All right there they're doing okay That's

[01:49:34] Well now is yeah, well now now is a now is a and I I forgive me for my ignorance. I'm not really a hardcore gamer What what what would you say is a typical player amount for like a game that's popular

[01:49:50] Few thousand a few hundred thousand yeah like we're a fighting game like this Compared to like maybe uh the V okay, yeah, that's a that's a very actual character Like right now two kids what you for is around 1500

[01:50:13] Oh, so putting in that in perspective. Oh, this is probably a good time to wrap it up Your camera's been frozen with you mid-flap for almost a minute What's a good picture It sounded embarrassing one you just look very happy about the fact that nobody's playing fight forever

[01:50:35] Yeah, my carrots frozen hold a second I can Let's see yeah, there you go Yeah, there is yeah for the blaze WWE game is about 1500 right now Which I hear good things about it but Still though oh It has this problems it's over price

[01:51:13] Like well they all are now. I I heard some some some person to put in the comments that WV TK24 Orator wrestler was better than fight forever's entire graphics package. Oh Yeah, oh yeah, they're two different games It comes to that right type of rappers like PS Three

[01:51:41] Graphics like us I was the PS two days a little bit better than that that's it's better than that yeah I just remember when they Put out the first like official trailer for the game. I looked at it and I went

[01:51:59] Like I'm not a hardcore gamer so I could be wrong but to me this kind of looks It looks a little questionable Like for as much time and money as they say I like most of the games

[01:52:12] I play most of all of the WWE games from oh six I play probably a hour of fight forever and that's it. I have it But I haven't played more than that for a sourness It's just so bad

[01:52:32] As I like I said as much as much as they were like typing it up. I knew it was I kind of had a feeling was gonna crash and burn just because of how much they hyped it up

[01:52:42] You know and make us there was just too much hype and it's very rare that it needs expectations when there's not much Matter about something So maybe if they just kept their mouth shut people would have been like you know what it was a great first effort

[01:52:55] But they kept talking about how awesome it was going to be Doesn't mean honestly, let's be real. Let's give credit for credit suit was their first video game ever That's true, but it's also so price point that yes, yeah, I think that's the problem

[01:53:11] I think that's the biggest thing is the it's like Yeah, but it costs in that much and People still have to pay for DLC content when apparently they bought the season pass assuming they were gonna get the DLC It's not like this four season passes for them

[01:53:29] So it doesn't make any sense None unless it were probably half to do it to recoup so that they can attempt to turn a profit on the game, but I don't know what speaking of turning a profit

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