Part of your broadway world podcast (S3 EP7)|The legacy of James earl jones featuring Justin spurr

[00:00:08] S3 EP7, Part of your broadway world podcast

[00:00:57] everybody and welcome to today's episode of the part of your broadway world podcast

[00:01:03] today we are discussing the life of James earl jones who is Mufasa in the Lion King 1 and 2 and also Darth Vader in the Star Wars franchise

[00:01:25] he passed away yesterday so we're going to talk about him his life, life of the legacy and all he's done so and we're going to discuss it with Justin spurr

[00:01:39] of the spur of the moment podcast so let's welcome Justin

[00:01:43] I came prepared with James earl jones' filmography

[00:01:49] I have a Wikipedia article open with all of the stuff he's been in which turns out is a lot it's a lot it is some of the stuff I didn't even know he was in

[00:01:59] me neither

[00:02:01] I'm not sure what you're seeing actually that's made it even funnier

[00:02:05] like like Fantasia I didn't know he was in Fantasia

[00:02:08] he was in Fantasia? yeah

[00:02:12] oh really

[00:02:15] and say it lie and

[00:02:19] I don't know that

[00:02:20] what did he do it? and I looked through this early what did he do in Fantasia

[00:02:25] I have no idea

[00:02:27] coming to America the hunt for red October

[00:02:31] the one that I was like was I watched Doctor Strange Club apparently his first movie is Doctor Strange Love

[00:02:43] now we're discussing James Earl Jones and his history

[00:02:48] yeah the life and career

[00:02:51] yep life and career

[00:02:52] the life and career

[00:02:55] the good look man okay here's the thing up front

[00:03:01] I was going to come into this and be like I don't think I've ever seen him be bad in anything and then I remember the 2021 Lion King

[00:03:08] movie existed but then I was like he like passed away yesterday so I feel like I should be cool about this

[00:03:13] we're going to talk about the movies I like

[00:03:19] include the original Lion King

[00:03:23] I like the original Lion King I like him in the original life

[00:03:27] my thing with any actor is if you can hit a point where you can just show up on a thing as yourself

[00:03:34] like that's the dream right where you just

[00:03:38] like my favorite James Earl Jones moments is I don't know if you ever watched The Big Bang Theory

[00:03:43] oh my god that episode is hilarious

[00:03:47] that episode is so good yeah where he shows up and he's hanging out with Sheldon

[00:03:51] he's obsessed with Sheldon

[00:03:54] yeah he's like you like Star Wars I like Star Wars too

[00:03:59] and they keep messing with Carrie Fisher like I love stuff like that

[00:04:03] yeah but I mean it's indisputable my guys got like one of the most iconic voices of all time

[00:04:09] I mean you got just Darth Vader

[00:04:12] Darth Vader alone

[00:04:14] if nothing else him passing away I knew that it was going to be a thing

[00:04:19] like I knew that AI Darth Vader was going to be a thing

[00:04:22] but just like the knowledge that it's ever present and coming

[00:04:26] just is that I think is maybe the saddest part

[00:04:29] because I mean truth be told my guys was 94 years old he was a very old man and you know

[00:04:35] he lived that long healthy and inarguably a productive life

[00:04:43] so yeah so you know it's sad it's sad that he passed away but like look

[00:04:49] if I live to 94 that's a good day for me

[00:04:52] yeah

[00:04:52] I feel like I'm just looking through this filmography

[00:04:55] he was in driving with Daisy I did not know that

[00:04:57] yep

[00:04:58] oh interesting there's all these movies I'm like I gotta watch I gotta watch you

[00:05:02] he was in driving mistake down Broadway

[00:05:05] oh what's he okay so yeah okay so that's an excellent place to start since you're the musical person

[00:05:10] I one of my favorite performances of his is are you familiar with the movie Fences

[00:05:15] or the play Fences

[00:05:18] no

[00:05:19] Fences is um if you've seen the movie it's Denzel Washington

[00:05:24] and he also did he also did a version of the play and it's like a it's like a

[00:05:29] horror black family and he's like the dad and there's a really you can find a clip of it online

[00:05:34] there's a there's a really like solid one my all-time favorite monologues is from that play

[00:05:40] and it's him basically talking about his relationship with his son it's really good

[00:05:45] I can't remember what year it is but you can find you can find it on YouTube it's really really good

[00:05:49] and I think that's what's great about him is he was such a versatile guy

[00:05:53] like when you look when you look through this this this yeah this this filmography

[00:05:59] you're like you got stuff from Malcolm X again all the way to like yeah Lion King

[00:06:04] and when I was looking through the filmography I was shocked how many times he was just willing to be Mufasa

[00:06:11] like he loved that character like he came back to being Mufasa a lot just just for fun

[00:06:17] like I don't know if you've ever seen I didn't watch it because it's way too young for me

[00:06:22] but apparently he came back for the Lion Guard to do the Lion Guard which is the TV show the Lion King TV show yeah

[00:06:29] I'm I don't know I don't know how into that I am when they're like oh it kind of for me that show

[00:06:35] kind of undercut the daughter a bit where it was like where it was like oh forget the daughter we have a son now

[00:06:42] right

[00:06:44] but yeah it surprised me that it surprised me that he came back for that and also just all the times he came back

[00:06:49] his Darth Vader like Rogue One all the times he showed up in the shows like again he he loved him

[00:06:56] can you imagine a world where because I don't know if you've ever seen if you've ever seen it

[00:07:00] but there's a really great documentary where you get to see the guy who's playing Darth Vader

[00:07:04] who's not the voice and it's just like it's like sad little Scottish man who doesn't really have that scary of a voice

[00:07:10] but can you imagine if they hadn't had the thought to replace him with James Earl Jones like how different that character would have been

[00:07:17] like his that would be the polar opposite and just not as terrifying I don't think it would have been he definitely brought

[00:07:27] back gravitas to that character and I think what's interesting is like as that character went on

[00:07:32] like he's a different kind of his the performance is different in the first movie and I think that's that's really cool

[00:07:39] I I again iconic iconic iconic absolutely iconic yes yes I guess we always look at let's let's talk about his theater

[00:07:49] his theater he's getting a storied story theater theater career as well wow the Merchant of Venice that's that's pretty winter winter's tale

[00:07:58] interesting I didn't know that that was a play first like I know of that movie I think there's a version of it

[00:08:04] I'm thinking of winter's boat I might be thinking of a different one there's a version of it

[00:08:09] he was also in Cat on a Hot Tit roof

[00:08:12] was he oh yeah he played he played Othello wow man I'm gonna be I'm gonna be you're looking up some Hamlet

[00:08:19] he was Claudius and Hamlet King Lear oh that's so interesting he did a production of King Lear in 1973

[00:08:25] that's close to my heart I've done a production of King Lear

[00:08:27] they even named a theater after him the James Earl Jones Theater

[00:08:31] no kidding huh yeah interesting oh okay so looking at this he also he was so interesting he played um he played Lenny

[00:08:42] I don't know if you're familiar with of Mycid Men I read that book in high school

[00:08:45] um he played Lenny that's that is hard to describe never never read of Mycid Men

[00:08:52] Lenny is kind of a

[00:08:56] kind of I don't want to say feeble minded but like a simple kind of guy he just wants to like own like a rabbit hutch

[00:09:03] he's not he's like yeah he's he's kind of a simple minded and the idea is his partner or friend

[00:09:09] George kind of looks out for him and so that's just kind of in the movie there was a movie he was played by John Malkovich

[00:09:16] that's that's a very different role for him that's interesting oh it's so interesting he's again this is all very interesting

[00:09:22] um he he played Othello more than once so he played Othello once in 1982 and then another time in the 70s previously

[00:09:33] yeah 1964 he played he played Othello and then uh he came back to it that's it that see what is that that's like 20 20 year difference

[00:09:44] can you imagine coming back to a role I guess I guess that's what he did for Mufasa to come back to a role like that

[00:09:51] it'd be interesting to see um 10 years later because I found when he went back to Mufasa he just wasn't able to for that for that

[00:09:59] Lion King movie the whole live action when he just wasn't able to get to the places like I think I think Mufasa as a character

[00:10:07] he's far more he's far more interesting in the animated yeah more here's a question tying tie we're going to talk about Mufasa

[00:10:15] how do you feel about that um that prequel the prequel that's coming up yeah the one that's coming out yeah yeah

[00:10:29] I don't know it don't because I know I know I know you have very strong feelings that it's unrelated to James Earl Jones

[00:10:36] but I know you have strong feelings about that that uh Snow White one um my thing my thing with the with the Lion King one is it just it's incoherent

[00:10:44] like because in that in the prequel I don't know if you know this but um Scar is Prince so he's going to be King um and Mufasa comes in as like an orphan

[00:10:57] and like somehow becomes King and usurps uh Scar is lineage somehow which doesn't make any sense because the original movie and the remake imply that um

[00:11:10] that they're blood related and that it's a case of like he was the first born so like

[00:11:17] that trailer trailer there's also like an evil group of like white lions who it kind of seems to be implied that they're going like the the that the Lion King basically that it's Game of Thrones

[00:11:28] like they're all gonna compete to see who becomes the Lion King that was my problem with it was like it it it re-regates uh it re-re-regates everything from like the first and second movie

[00:11:44] yeah it doesn't it makes it not make any sense because you're like so wait so his his whole I mean it's Hamlet if you've never read Hamlet

[00:11:52] the whole beef is that he's mad that he's the he's the uncle who's mad that he didn't get to be King like that's the whole bit so if their brothers and Scar was first born and he was meant to be King

[00:12:02] so that's where that's where it indicates to me that they're going in the direction of like yeah the Lion King is a separate title like he like he's the Lion King of all of the like all of pre-

[00:12:12] yeah like if you watch Game of Thrones like the Iron Throne like the Lion King is like the lion equivalent to like the Iron Throne and from that trailer to tie it back into the James Earl Jones

[00:12:23] um I just my question becomes like how does he become how does that care even even to the first one because that remake he still the James Earl Jones Mufasa right more or less like they didn't do anything to change that character

[00:12:38] because they had the same voice actor coming and do it so like my question is how does he go how does he become James Earl Jones like that's that's when it comes to prequels it's my always my question like

[00:12:50] like if you watch Star if you watch Star Wars that Clone Wars show it's always like well eventually he has to become Hayden Christensen so like it's the same thing here eventually he has to become James Earl Jones

[00:13:01] my thing too is since he's passed away Rustin Peace James Earl Jones um since he's passed away they better not touch that movie anymore

[00:13:16] I mean well the far far more likely would have if this does well um which who knows it's Disney but even when I'm like that movie looks like crap they they do well it's the brand sells the movies but um they'll probably just do another midfall where he's not quite James Earl Jones

[00:13:44] I just again I know I brought up a I Darth Vader but I don't I don't want Darth I just I don't I don't want them to try and replicate James Earl Jones's voice with technology and I don't know if there's anyone out there who I mean maybe there's a halfway decent impressionist out there

[00:14:01] I that's a character that he was struggling to do before he like if you've ever seen Row one um he really struggled with the character the voices wasn't quite there in that movie as much as I love that movie so like he was definitely getting there

[00:14:16] I mean you could tell you could tell it is in later in his life that the performances were like I mean he was he was getting older and they weren't as good as they as they used to be um so I'm just I'm just kind of I'm just kind of as a

[00:14:30] he's got such a he's got he's been around for so long he's got such a yeah he's got such a story wow that's so interesting so um just going through is just his life generally um he he was in the army he he served in the military

[00:14:48] and he went to the Korean War by the looks of it which is interesting that that explains a lot that sort of informs at least my opinion I understand why he why he became known as like a booming kind of like the only though he he's in that sort of

[00:15:18] like he was a big guy so he was also a Marine so that's always such an interesting career trajectory in my opinion to go from like being an active service to being an actor like

[00:15:47] those are two kind of separate worlds to me at least in my opinion they are yeah

[00:15:54] uh so let's just I want to go I want to look at his television because for me that's where that's where I recognize him the most from is like TV voice acting I always for me it's voice acting like I know he obviously did a lot on camera work and he did all kinds of stuff like that but

[00:16:13] for me for me he's always gonna be it's always gonna be like oh I recognize that voice let's look at his television credits for funsies

[00:16:22] let's see what we got here interesting oh yeah okay interesting so he he did he did a version of I'm guessing that's the TV movie of roots which is very interesting

[00:16:34] oh let me see here in 19 yeah in the 1980s he was big on TV in the 90s oh the Simpsons yeah see that's where I always do him

[00:16:43] yeah that's what I was gonna talk about too I he he was in I can't remember how many episodes of Simpsons he was in but he was in that I see him like a lot

[00:16:55] yeah well he I mean there's a lot of references to him bleeding comes Murphy was the character that was kind of a reference to him but according to this is he's only in three episodes he was a he played three characters moving man

[00:17:07] Sarah the preparer and a narrator in one episode and in one episode apparently he played Maggie Simpson that's interesting

[00:17:15] have you ever seen house

[00:17:17] I've never seen house I've said that's not true I've seen clips of house I've never had to watch an entire episode loved house I loved house

[00:17:26] I it's one of those things where I I've seen enough clips where I enjoy the character but it's just never been on anything I have when it comes to TV TV is a lot harder to

[00:17:37] um the lack of a better word sale the open seas on then uh than a movie is so if it's like a long running series I think house is like six or seven seasons

[00:17:51] something like that it was on for a while was he on house was young general Jones on house yeah oh oh really I didn't know that who was he a major character on house um let me see I don't think

[00:18:05] well interesting he looks like he did like a lot of guest spots yeah I mean he did he did a tour of some sitcoms in the 90s but he was on um if you if you watch the lowest in Clark the new

[00:18:28] movie was like a really famous actress filmography and being like oh yeah there's the spot where they weren't super famous like so like he did 19 episodes he was the narrator on third rock from the sun

[00:18:36] he was on an episode of Fraser oh yeah I mean everyone was on homicide life on the street think if you watch him he was in King Lear that show ah man I love King Lear I have a particular I played poor Tom in a production of King Lear so I have a particular soft spot for King Lear

[00:18:57] I didn't I knew it was a musical I didn't know or not musical like a play but I did I didn't know it was a TV show well I mean it's a it's a it's a Shakespeare play so um there's been probably like a thousand productions of it

[00:19:13] and yeah he was in he was in one he played Lear and there I saw one production he did in the 70s where he played Lear which to me 1970s like that's usually a character played predominantly like Othello for example that's that's very much a black man

[00:19:27] like I've that's that's the whole thing King Lear not so much and especially in the 70s that's pretty that's pretty like progressive like clearly and I it looked like it was pre-star Wars because Star Wars was like the thing that like made him famous like that's the that's the thing where he he did he

[00:19:43] like I said he did Doctor Strange Love like the year before a couple years before that was his first movie and then he did Star Wars and boom he's huge but it's funny because he had a clearly a point in the 90s where he's like struggling he's struggling for work because like he's he's

[00:20:01] slummin it on some TV like he's doing he's doing he's doing an episode of Fraser he's doing Third Rock from the Sun like he's on TV and it's funny you get until like 2003 and on and he's just himself oh here it is here it is he wasn't

[00:20:16] an episode of House he played Diabola in an episode in the episode called the Tyrant I don't know what that is. Oh I know that I know what that is. Oh yeah that's funny it's disturbing.

[00:20:33] And then obviously yeah he she was a he was a big he showed up a lot on the Hugh Laurie not Hugh Laurie Chuck Laurie shows so he was on an episode two and a half men where he played himself and then obviously we talked about Big Bang Theory where he played himself which is again one of my favorite

[00:20:47] episodes it's just the way he says I like Star Wars too it's so funny and it's just them pranking Carrie Fisher also RIP Carrie Fisher but my big my big thing is is always always feel kind of like like a jerk because when when really old people die I don't

[00:21:08] feel like like the reaction to him dying I thought was kind of over the top because it is not exactly I wouldn't use the word tragic because again he's he's like 94 years old it was one of those like every day you open it up and he's still he's still here it's probably he's probably like an extra day you know what I mean.

[00:21:26] Well what I don't respect is the fact that a couple days before he actually died it was it was like a rumor going on and I love you saw it online but people kept saying that he would that he had died.

[00:21:41] Oh that's not cool.

[00:21:49] I've heard there's been times where like you're familiar with TMZ but I feel gross that it used to be into them but if you follow TMZ.

[00:22:00] That's where it came from.

[00:22:02] Yeah it always comes from TMZ. Apparently there's been times where TMZ will break a celebrity death and that's how the celebrity family finds out like that's fucked.

[00:22:12] Like that is awful.

[00:22:13] Yeah and like then they're not I don't respect them journalistically even though they want to be taken seriously as journalists I just don't respect them again I used to be.

[00:22:22] It's a Betty White too I think.

[00:22:24] Yeah there was someone else they did that too I want to say Matthew Perry they also there was someone put in particular that like they got sued for it.

[00:22:32] I can't remember who it was but yeah there was someone in particular where it was like their family found out from TMZ and that's terrible.

[00:22:38] You have to be fucked in the head to think like that doing that's okay.

[00:22:43] I mean the thing that people tend to forget is that like celebrities are still people.

[00:22:48] Yeah and like I hate those people there's nothing that irritates me worse than people who are like oh they're celebrities they by being celebrities violate their right to privacy or they give up their right to privacy.

[00:23:03] They're people.

[00:23:03] Being a celebrity.

[00:23:04] It's like ah man they're still people they still have feelings.

[00:23:06] Yeah.

[00:23:07] There's two examples I always like to use.

[00:23:11] And to be fair making a thing making your own thing will drastically change.

[00:23:17] I'm sure you're probably becoming aware of that but it will drastically change how you interact with media at least it did for me where you're like man.

[00:23:28] I used to be I used to I don't know how into the Internet you are but like you know that like cinema sins nostalgia critic angry video game nerd style like you just get angry and you and you shit all over everything.

[00:23:38] I used to be like that.

[00:23:40] I used to be very much be like everything sucks and this movie sucks and it's bad and the person who made it is a bad like I used to the best examples they used to shit on Adam Sandler.

[00:23:50] And and I watched special one of his specials where he talks about how his wife comforts him while he feels sad about the they have rotten tomato scores of his movies.

[00:24:02] And like oh yeah he's a person and and like when when you say he's a bad person for making bad movies that obviously hurts his feelings.

[00:24:11] Yeah or maybe an example maybe that might have more meaning to you Jonas Brothers were you a Jonas Brothers person.

[00:24:19] Oh I love the Jonas Brothers.

[00:24:21] My one of my I mean I my friends are huge Jonas Brothers fans but I've been with them from a career standpoint since they were Disney Channel people and I watched on Amazon Prime totally recommend it if you haven't watched it.

[00:24:39] But there's a really good documentary called Chasing Happiness that they did that was about yeah that was about their their comeback and I'm getting back together.

[00:24:50] And there's a point there were there's there's two there's two points I really liked in that movie and there's a point where they're all Kevin's it's a clip of Kevin on the phone with the woman who would become his wife I think and Nick and Joe are like hassling him like brothers what like I do my brother like they were had they

[00:25:11] were like hassling each other and he gets annoyed and he tells them and it was it's a real like older brother kind of like you guys need to piss off from when I kill you kind of moment.

[00:25:20] And it felt it made them feel human made like oh they're human their brothers they get pissed at each other like I know it was so cool or another really great moment is when they talk about the purity ring thing and how the media just tore their new asshole over it and how like that hurt their feelings and that those kind of moments

[00:25:39] and also I'm a 10 ACS D fan. There's the documentary same thing those moments where you like oh yeah you put your heart and soul into a project it doesn't matter how big or how much money or how they're still people and they still have feelings and like

[00:25:54] I will never personally attack a person for for their work. I will not try my best unless there were really self reflects them.

[00:26:05] I will try my best not to be like the thing is bad. Therefore, you're bad person would never do that. Like that's not cool.

[00:26:14] But yeah, yeah stuff like that it was like oh yeah right yeah right and they may you know stand in front of a million people but they're still they're still human and they have families and a big thing for me is always to be being like I always always trying to put myself find it fascinating what must

[00:26:30] be because I assumed James Earl Jones has a family back let's find out I assume he's got like a son or a daughter or kid.

[00:26:40] Yes, or grandkids I suppose our great grandkids at his age. Find out while I while I still marry to Cecilia Hart.

[00:26:52] And then he was married to Julian Murray from 1968 to 1972 and then again and then and then he married Cecilia Hart from 1982 to 2016.

[00:27:10] Interesting. Oh yeah she died of ovarian cancer in 2016 yeah yeah yeah.

[00:27:15] And then he has a son Flynn Earl Jones.

[00:27:20] Interesting yeah I always wonder like what it it must be like to be Earl Jones so you sorry Flynn Earl Jones you said yep he's got the same middle name as his dad.

[00:27:33] Yep.

[00:27:34] I mean not that I'd be ashamed of that but that's very interesting.

[00:27:37] I always wonder what it what it feels like to like it's such a more so than like what does it feel like to be a celebrity like you just can't put yourself in their perspective.

[00:27:47] What does it feel like to like have your dad be James Earl Jones like I guess I guess I've seen decent documentaries where like kids of celebrities will kind of like there's a really good one where like Jim Henson's kids kind of talks about it.

[00:28:00] We're like yeah the world has sort of partial ownership over your dad and that's kind of weird.

[00:28:06] Not just that though but like as like a little little kid when when your dad did the Lion King like imagine you being a little kid and being like yeah my dad my dad's Mufasa.

[00:28:20] That's what I mean to me that's what I would be like but but then you read about these guys and you're like not to them that they don't most times they don't really care or the very least they don't care until like they get older.

[00:28:33] And I like that's that's kind of that's kind of neat.

[00:28:37] Because yeah that would be so me for me yeah Mufasa yeah how do you like go to school as like.

[00:28:45] I assume his kids were young when I mean to be fair in a lot of cases that's why the celebrities do those movies is so they have something that they can especially if they do a lot of like in his case a lot of Shakespeare.

[00:29:00] That that him doing so much Shakespeare just it makes so much sense to me because it informs a lot of his characters who are so that sort of explains why he did why he did Lion King because I'm sure he probably saw the parallels to Hamlet when he was reading the script.

[00:29:16] Right now that I think about it and this is probably less we'll talk about about the line because like well because you know this is about James Jones but I didn't realize until we until we were just talking about it a couple of minutes ago how similar Hamlet and Lion King are you can like.

[00:29:43] I never noticed that.

[00:29:46] Really oh yeah yeah that's yeah like in a straight up just now.

[00:29:51] So fast and yeah yeah no I can't remember land land that a long time ago, but yeah it's straight up Hamlet the Simba is Hamlet.

[00:29:59] I don't know the characters in Hamlet well enough to know them but yeah I was the uncle and then how familiar are you with Hamlet.

[00:30:07] Because because Timon and Pumba are Rosencrantz and Guildenstern and in fact one of your in in Hamlet or is that.

[00:30:17] It's been so long since I've read Hamlet I honestly don't know.

[00:30:23] I only remember I remember Hamlet I'm a Rosencrantz and Guildenstern because the Lion King one and a half is Rosencrantz and Guildenstern and.

[00:30:32] No that's it.

[00:30:33] That's it.

[00:30:33] I remember I was gonna say I vaguely remember the uncle's name but no I don't it's not coming to me.

[00:30:38] We read Hamlet in high school so.

[00:30:41] I mean like but even even write down to to.

[00:30:43] Oh no we didn't read the book we watched the movie.

[00:30:48] We read the play we read the play and then well I didn't read it in high school so.

[00:30:53] Thing about me I told the story on who talk I think but I took English 12 technically I took English 12.

[00:31:02] Three times.

[00:31:03] So so and I'm from Canada and in Canada.

[00:31:07] We have when we hit 11 grade 11 and 12 you have an option to take two types of English communications and regular English communications is easier.

[00:31:17] It's the thing.

[00:31:18] I'm it's more it's more about it's less about writing essays and more about communicating ideas.

[00:31:23] So I took that so I wanted to be a writer when I wanted to be a writer I decided I would upgrade my English 12 go back.

[00:31:30] That's when I took that's when I learned Hamlet when I went back as an adult so I wasn't a teenager reading it but technically.

[00:31:37] So yeah that's when I read Hamlet and I we did both we read the play and we watched a movie because my teacher was like the movie is different and the movies the movie is good.

[00:31:45] That's that Kenneth Branagh and Robin Williams is in it and again.

[00:31:52] But yeah yeah yeah like King is straight up like to the point that yeah he literally there's the bit in Hamlet where he sees the ghost of believe it's the ghost of his father.

[00:32:00] That's in the Lion King when he sees the ghost of his father and the second one is Romeo and Juliet obviously.

[00:32:06] Yeah.

[00:32:09] Which in like a couple weeks because I did a West Side Story with with Jake.

[00:32:17] So that is that is going to come out soon this episode is going to come out next week.

[00:32:24] Okay interesting I mean real quick divergence into West Side Story.

[00:32:29] Oh you must be used to diverges with Jake but I'm kidding.

[00:32:33] I was make fun of Jake.

[00:32:34] Yeah I am actually.

[00:32:35] Yeah.

[00:32:36] It just goes in one way or the other with the.

[00:32:39] Spoiler for for for my show which I'm you're coming on that and so is Jake.

[00:32:46] So it's going to be Divergent City.

[00:32:49] We are just to give you a heads up.

[00:32:51] That's a little sneak preview.

[00:32:54] I may be saved a story about the Wicked trailer for Saturday.

[00:32:58] So we're going to spend some time talking about Wicked and Jordan Jordan and Jake are just going to have to deal with it.

[00:33:03] Oh my God thank you so much.

[00:33:06] Oh my God.

[00:33:07] I saw it I saw it and I was like you know what and then I watched the trailer and I'm like I have to make fun of this and Haley's got to be there.

[00:33:17] So I skipped it I bumped it I bumped because I knew you're going to be on this week if you make fun of it I'm tearing you anyone.

[00:33:23] I have to I have exactly two jokes to make about it.

[00:33:26] I'm tearing you anyone.

[00:33:28] I am tearing you anyone.

[00:33:29] I am a question as a person who's never seen Wicked so that that's something to look forward to for Saturday because yeah I am tearing you anyone.

[00:33:38] I was like George is wouldn't have George is wouldn't he wouldn't appreciate it in the same way you would he would he will I already told him what the joke was he laughs.

[00:33:49] No I okay okay.

[00:33:50] You make fun of it I will tell you when they want.

[00:33:52] Here's what I will say one of my favorite songs of all time is Defying Gravity.

[00:33:56] I love that song.

[00:33:57] I love the Glee version of it.

[00:33:59] And I love Kurt singing it and I will sing his praises on Saturday but

[00:34:07] Lion King so yeah so yeah when it comes to his Shakespearean background, it does make me wonder how much that informs not even Mufasa but also Darth Vader because Darth Vader is a very Shakespearean character.

[00:34:21] If you're depending on how familiar you are he has that sort of Shakespearean kind of gravitas.

[00:34:26] I've learned that I've now done like it's so funny because when I graduated high school I swore I would never touch a single shred of Shakespeare for the rest of my life.

[00:34:36] And then I wound up doing I wound up doing two plays so I'm like I've read Taming of the aversion of Taming of the shrew and aversion of King Lear.

[00:34:44] So it's like I'm more familiar.

[00:34:46] It's made me appreciate Shakespeare.

[00:34:50] I find when it comes to like really dense material you appreciate so much more when you're an adult.

[00:34:58] Like I think high school is such a bad time to teach kids Shakespeare because they just don't appreciate it.

[00:35:04] We read a passage of King Lear and then we watched the movie.

[00:35:12] Oh yeah and then we watched the Crucible and read.

[00:35:16] Oh, I read that book as well.

[00:35:19] Buck which by the way the Crucible is like terrifying.

[00:35:24] I that's that refresh me that's the one where it's like the Salem witch trials right and the movie went on to writer in it yeah yeah you're not sure if she's crazy or not I think is the idea with that one.

[00:35:34] Yeah yeah my my my I read that in communication my communications teacher he was one of those like.

[00:35:40] He like he like what he was really into weird out there so we always like to make us read weird stuff that I was like oh.

[00:35:48] And then my son then all my like my friends but we're reading this boring story I'm like actually my one of my favorite ones was when they let us do kite runner.

[00:35:58] Because that movie gets that book it's really dark in the middle and it was really I was like how we're going to navigate this we just waited it quite funny.

[00:36:06] But now I am one of my favorite books I ever read was in high school I am the cheese and now as a teacher was like we're going to do weird shit.

[00:36:14] Then we also read the great Gatsby to.

[00:36:21] I love the book I love that book and I love the movie I remember watching I watched the movie like years prior before high school, and then when I went when my teacher was like all right we're going to read the great Gatsby.

[00:36:36] And then we're going to watch the movie after we read the book was so happy.

[00:36:43] Is this a Leonardo DiCaprio movie or was there a movie prior.

[00:36:46] Yeah, it was Leonardo DiCaprio also you I said that's so fascinating okay but maybe that shows marriage so so you were in high school when that movie came out I was longer and what year did that movie.

[00:36:55] No no I was high school after it came out like way like years after.

[00:37:00] Interesting.

[00:37:01] I was in like fifth grade when it came out.

[00:37:05] Oh, is that that makes me wonder what now I'm going to Google this what year did that come out.

[00:37:10] Did that movie come out.

[00:37:12] Great great Gatsby is 2013.

[00:37:15] So yeah I was in middle school.

[00:37:17] Really.

[00:37:19] Fascinating.

[00:37:19] I had long since graduated high school by that point.

[00:37:21] Like sixth grade seventh grade.

[00:37:23] That's not true actually that's the year after I graduate 2013.

[00:37:27] Yep, I was in the eighth grade.

[00:37:29] Yeah, I, I know no yeah I'd already long since graduate. What am I doing I'm doing math that I graduated in 2008.

[00:37:37] So I, I, that is past my movie theater time.

[00:37:40] Because there's a period I worked at a movie theater for like four years. So there's a period from I think about 20 2008, like 2012, where I've seen pretty much everything.

[00:37:50] Like, like, like pretty much pretty much because we skip free movie passes. So I would just, I'd be like it's a Tuesday at like two o'clock I'm bored let's go watch a movie. So like, for example, I would never have watched Stardust.

[00:38:06] Had I not worked at the movie theater. I love that movie. If you've never seen Stardust I highly recommend it. It's great movie.

[00:38:13] Well, I would never have watched that movie had I not worked at the movie theater so there's but this is one of those ones where it's just out of my purview. I want to I want to watch it it's on my list because I'm a big Leonardo DiCaprio fan.

[00:38:24] He's only been at one movie I didn't like and that was the movie he won the Oscar for.

[00:38:30] I'd like to point out like, I do want to talk about go back to Wicked just for a split second. Just split minute split minute, because I just found this out.

[00:38:41] Did you know I just found this out like yesterday. It's the first the part one because coming in two parts. Yeah, yeah. Part one is two hours and 33 minutes.

[00:38:56] I heard that and that was actually that's going to be my question for you once on Saturday when we talked about it.

[00:39:03] Because that doesn't make any sense to me because I heard the plays only like two hours and 40 minutes long. So how is that possible?

[00:39:08] I don't know.

[00:39:10] How was my question.

[00:39:12] I was like, okay, I know we're split in half and it's going to be a nice comfy hour and a half long movie right like musicals don't ever need to be that long.

[00:39:21] There isn't there isn't.

[00:39:23] That makes that raises another question is how long is part two going to be.

[00:39:28] I mean, unless it's completely because because today.

[00:39:33] Okay, this is a musical theater podcast and we'll talk about how musical theater works. Act two is always shorter than act one. It's just how it works.

[00:39:40] Like always like act two. Act one is not two two and a half hours long.

[00:39:44] No, like act one is typical. I mean a typical Broadway or musical usually runs about two and a half hours.

[00:39:52] Sometimes it pushes three but it's like yeah, usually your first act is like an hour and a half to hours.

[00:39:58] And then your second act like 40 minutes. So what on earth have they added to this to pad it out to two and two and this that's where I'm like scares me.

[00:40:06] I'm not super familiar with wicked.

[00:40:10] Other than other than its basic premise and like the, and like three songs.

[00:40:15] I know I know.

[00:40:19] Popular popular popular I know.

[00:40:23] I don't know why I'm saying I don't know if you I knew it.

[00:40:26] I know every single fucking song.

[00:40:28] I know.

[00:40:28] I know. Yeah, I know popular I know.

[00:40:33] Yeah, obviously defined gravity and then

[00:40:39] Because I knew you for good for good.

[00:40:43] That's the other one.

[00:40:44] I know.

[00:40:45] I honestly don't know.

[00:40:47] No, no.

[00:40:50] And to be fair, I only know defined gravity because of glee.

[00:40:53] Like there's a lot of download the soundtrack and listen to a lot of well I know that there's a movie.

[00:40:59] What I like to do when it comes to musicals is I like to watch, unless I organically discover it on my own, which happens sometimes.

[00:41:09] I like to watch the movie clean without any preconceptions, and then I'll go back and I'll be like, well different is this.

[00:41:18] What did I do that with.

[00:41:20] Well, we were going to talk about mean girls but mean girls I did that with.

[00:41:24] And a lot of them where I'm or I mean, lay miss.

[00:41:29] I love looking back the you've ever heard the original demos for lay miss.

[00:41:34] I so recommend it because I'm gonna look it up.

[00:41:38] It if you're if you're a fan of Andrew Lloyd Webber and you like you like you like phantom like phantom phantom.

[00:41:48] It's really phantom ask like like the original it's like you know phantom is like really synth heavy.

[00:41:57] Like that yeah, it's a lot of that so the original the original soundtrack of the original.

[00:42:05] I don't know I don't know if they did a concept album for but the original album, you if you can find find it.

[00:42:10] It's a lot especially the opening number super since heavy, like really since heavy it's surprisingly sound surprisingly different.

[00:42:19] I might my favorite version of lay miss is not the movie is I like the movie but no my favorite version of lay miss is.

[00:42:30] There's a concert version Jonas Brothers ironically where Nick Jonas is Marius.

[00:42:36] The 2010 concert.

[00:42:38] It's my favorite version Matt Matt Lucas as oh I can ever pronounce his name.

[00:42:43] Karen 10 year 10 year the guy sings master of the house.

[00:42:46] He's really good.

[00:42:47] You said phantom in my heart like broke because I don't know if you've seen this but.

[00:42:54] I know what you're going to say.

[00:42:56] I have an adult version.

[00:43:00] Here's the thing, but it's not even that they're doing a young adult version is is the high school musical guy is doing it.

[00:43:09] So it's going to be I mean you you you're a lover of descendants so it's going to be like a descendants yeah high school musical, although to be fair to be fair.

[00:43:19] He's not all that I'm not a big enough phantom fan to like be horribly broken up about it but.

[00:43:25] I'm broken.

[00:43:27] I'm broken.

[00:43:29] My thing is my thing is is going to modernize it like is it going to be a thing of like it's going to be.

[00:43:34] And it's going to keep all the names or is it going to be like it this takes place in like a high school or like a young like how are we going to change that.

[00:43:41] Because really all you really need to nail is is the girl obviously the phantom because but to be fair that's also a lot of like.

[00:43:50] That one there's a lot of like what's the word I'm looking for.

[00:43:53] I want to say sketchy that doesn't feel the right word, but there's a lot of like dubious consent happening in that story where I'm like.

[00:44:01] I don't then to be fair in the year I think in the one of the original bridge.

[00:44:05] I am a big fan of Lindsay Ellis, who's a YouTuber.

[00:44:09] Yeah, and she she did a bunch of videos on Phantom of the Opera.

[00:44:13] So I've never actually seen it, but I'm really familiar with it and its sequel, which apparently sounds very bad based upon descriptions.

[00:44:21] Oh you're familiar with the sequel.

[00:44:24] That's amazing.

[00:44:26] I've heard it's bad.

[00:44:27] It's not good, but.

[00:44:30] Yeah, she she she described it as being very very bad like it's doing a disservice to the original in a kind of a major way.

[00:44:39] Love that love that love that never dies.

[00:44:43] Yes, you love never dies. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:44:45] Yeah, yeah.

[00:44:47] It's not terrible.

[00:44:48] It's not great, but it's not terrible.

[00:44:50] I just heard that it.

[00:44:52] What did it what was it that it changes something.

[00:44:56] It's been so long since I watched that video, but there's something about it about the like the third of the second act that something about the ending from what I recall that like is really quite not quite not very good.

[00:45:09] Apparently apparently it's based on a book because I think the original fandom is based on a book I believe apparently like yeah most versions of the book cut out a particular character.

[00:45:19] But I will say about Kenny Ortega.

[00:45:22] I thought Julian the phantoms was severely underrated and the fact that that show didn't get that show got they're bringing it back over there's no no they're not to the Julian the phantoms to know.

[00:45:37] Yeah, I saw.

[00:45:38] And when we're done here I'm absolutely going to be googling that because I heard I heard it wasn't getting a second season.

[00:45:42] Like they sat in limbo for like a long the longest time and then eventually they canceled it.

[00:45:48] Like the title I saw was like Julian the phantoms to so I don't know if it's like.

[00:45:57] You just made my day that makes me so happy that that show got fucked by Kobe and I will never forgive it for that because that show should have been way bigger than it was.

[00:46:10] They should have done a tour like the reason the reason why why that show didn't do well is because it's entirely based upon about a rock band with actors and saying like who can actually perform.

[00:46:22] So like they should have been doing like talk show appearances performing these songs like it was a good soundtrack.

[00:46:29] Honestly I you've seen Julian the phantoms obviously I mean to like maybe I've seen I mean I haven't watched it watch it but I've seen like clips on it.

[00:46:40] It's on Netflix.

[00:46:41] It's really good.

[00:46:42] It's like it's genuine I on set Emily like I as one of those things I saw a clip of it.

[00:46:49] Tick tock is good for great many things and seeing clips like that makes me go like I saw the clip of because I knew the bad guy had guy forget his name.

[00:47:02] But he's played but he's um he's apparently from the descendants and name is not Matt Bomer I don't think it was Matt Bomer.

[00:47:11] But anyway, I saw a clip of him singing the song on the side of Hollywood and I was like what is this.

[00:47:17] I need to know and so tick tock can be great for that where it's like I see clips from shows I'm like what is this.

[00:47:23] And yeah I watched it in like an afternoon and a text of my friends like you need to watch this show the music is so good.

[00:47:29] And yeah, and it ends on a pretty major cliffhanger and I was disappointed in the broad a second season it definitely deserved it.

[00:47:36] But you know I like I like I like that and I'm not obviously not a high school musical fan I'm way too old but I appreciate it for its contribution to culture.

[00:47:51] So like by that notion I will I will absolutely like not maybe not watch it but pay attention to what he does with Phantom.

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[00:49:00] I don't need a high school musical version of Phantom plays.

[00:49:04] I mean well look for me when it comes to musicals especially some old musicals like that or long-running musicals like that

[00:49:12] I become interested in what are they doing with the orchestration? What are they doing with the score?

[00:49:18] How are they changing the music? How are they making it different?

[00:49:20] That's the number one thing for me when I'm watching new adaptation or a new take on a musical

[00:49:25] that I'm especially one that I'm familiar with. It's why I did not care for Dereb and Hansen

[00:49:29] is because like you want to hear what although I didn't mind the orchestrations in that one

[00:49:36] but you want to hear what they do, what this person's idea of the music is

[00:49:40] because sometimes like yeah newer newer productions of it I like better

[00:49:45] like if you're a Sweeney Todd fan I'm gonna love the Josh Groban

[00:49:48] love the Josh Groban Sweeney Todd, big fan of the Josh Groban Sweeney Todd

[00:49:52] he his yeah I really like his Sweeney Todd so like sometimes they just a revival just sounds good

[00:50:01] sometimes they don't but sometimes they do they genuinely do

[00:50:03] I really wish I really wanted to see some of see if I could see some of Gutenberg

[00:50:10] Gutenberg the musical because I'm a big fan of I'm a big fan of Andrew Randall's and Josh Gad

[00:50:15] I wanted to see that so bad but I couldn't go into New York in time

[00:50:20] I watched a bootleg of a not a bootleg but I watched someone else's adaptation of it

[00:50:27] and my understanding was their version was so drastically different

[00:50:30] and like I say I'm a I'm a big fan of them

[00:50:32] Andrew Randall's I watched a bunch of four-kid stuff

[00:50:36] and it's crazy to me that he started off in four kids

[00:50:39] like his first musical is he was James from Pokemon

[00:50:42] like they did a musical adaptation of Pokemon and he played James of Team Rocket

[00:50:47] like it's wild that he went from that to like Tony Grammy Award winning

[00:50:52] so at any time I'm like if you feel down on your career just remember he wore a purple wig

[00:50:58] and was James on stage like like and now he's he's picking up Tony's

[00:51:02] and getting nominated for Emmys and like he's a majorly respected sort of power on Broadway

[00:51:08] I also wanted to see Merrily we roll along because I was I'm a big fan of Daniel Radcliffe

[00:51:14] Time for the pro shot

[00:51:16] They're making a pro shot?

[00:51:18] Yes

[00:51:20] Of the um

[00:51:21] They filmed it and they're putting it in the movie theaters just like they did in The Latres

[00:51:26] That's the Daniel Radcliffe Jonathan Roth version?

[00:51:28] Yep

[00:51:28] Ooh I'm gonna have to go watch that

[00:51:30] Yep

[00:51:31] That's awesome

[00:51:32] I, well here's the real question

[00:51:35] Does Jonathan Roth hawk a proper luke?

[00:51:39] He's not spitting at me

[00:51:40] If he's not spitting at me

[00:51:42] I just, I don't know that I want it

[00:51:45] That happened one time in Hamilton and you can't

[00:51:48] And they didn't cut it out

[00:51:50] No! It was amazing

[00:51:51] It honestly

[00:51:54] It's a, yeah I love that moment

[00:51:56] I love that moment because like

[00:51:58] Yeah if you've ever been in a production or on stage moments like that

[00:52:02] You're not supposed to see that

[00:52:03] Like you're 100% not supposed to see that

[00:52:07] But they, but because it's up close

[00:52:09] Yeah that's why pro shots are kind of kind of sticky

[00:52:13] That's a good pro shot, that Hamilton pro shot is a good pro shot

[00:52:16] Yeah

[00:52:16] Like I enjoy pro shots that incorporate

[00:52:20] Understand that it's gonna be filmed that incorporates cinematic elements

[00:52:25] I'm still mad at Jake

[00:52:28] He's really good

[00:52:30] He's like Hamilton?

[00:52:31] He made such a good point about Hamilton

[00:52:34] Here's what I will say as a person

[00:52:36] As an external person when it comes to Hamilton

[00:52:40] I enjoy, I enjoyed that musical

[00:52:43] I'm really strange

[00:52:45] I enjoy the parts of the musical where it stops to give me a history lesson

[00:52:49] Or I'm like, I'm lost

[00:52:51] And then Hamilton or Aaron Burr just explains what's happening

[00:52:55] Okay okay I get it, he did this

[00:52:57] Like for me

[00:53:01] Okay here's a question, I don't know if I've ever asked you

[00:53:03] If they were to make a Hamilton movie

[00:53:06] How would you want to see it adapted?

[00:53:09] Would you want to see it like it's 100% straight

[00:53:13] It's historically accurate

[00:53:15] And they're just singing, they're singing a rap

[00:53:17] Or, and here's my pitch for it

[00:53:21] I want it to be, because again my favorite moments in that musical are the fourth wall breaks

[00:53:26] And like I kind of want them to do it where

[00:53:29] Lin-Manuel Miranda obviously doesn't play Hamilton

[00:53:32] But he plays a history teacher

[00:53:34] And the whole framing device of the movie is it's him teaching about Hamilton to his class

[00:53:40] And then that way you can give him an original song

[00:53:43] Where he's excited about, where he raps about how excited he is to each history

[00:53:47] So we can get that original song nomination

[00:53:49] And then that way you can have moments in the movie

[00:53:52] Where the characters appear like in costume in the classroom

[00:53:56] And talk directly to the class

[00:53:58] And then that's how you can represent those

[00:54:00] Because like my favorite, my favorite bits are yeah

[00:54:04] Are where like, are where Aaron Burr just breaks down

[00:54:09] And like breaks to the fourth wall and like

[00:54:10] Talks about how mad he is at Hamilton to the audience

[00:54:13] Like I love those moments that I don't, I wouldn't want to lose them in an adaptation

[00:54:17] Here's how I would do this, here's how I would do it

[00:54:20] That way, I would do it that way

[00:54:22] He's a teacher but

[00:54:25] As like the camera like you know

[00:54:29] Fades to like, like fades to like

[00:54:33] Um, as he's talking it like

[00:54:36] Transitions into like

[00:54:39] The world of like

[00:54:41] Yeah, yeah

[00:54:42] 1976 or whatever

[00:54:44] Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking is like it's partially

[00:54:47] It is in 1776 like for the most of it

[00:54:51] It's like historically accurate, takes place in like 1776 and all that

[00:54:54] But then

[00:54:55] And it's in the colonies

[00:54:56] Yeah but then have

[00:54:58] Lin-Man well

[00:55:02] Miranda

[00:55:03] And like when he's not explaining it to the students

[00:55:09] Play at L. L. Hamilton and have the original cast

[00:55:13] Play all of their parts

[00:55:16] I, here's the thing

[00:55:18] I know that it can be done

[00:55:19] Because Rent obviously has the original cast

[00:55:23] I'm not a big, I'm not a big rent fan

[00:55:25] But I've heard that it works out in that

[00:55:27] My, my, I've never seen, I'm not a big rent fan

[00:55:30] I, again that's another one

[00:55:31] I know like one song

[00:55:33] And it's that's obviously seasons of love

[00:55:35] And that's kind of it

[00:55:36] And, but, and I think I tried watching it

[00:55:38] I'm not a big opera guy

[00:55:40] So I, I, I don't like it when there's no dialogue

[00:55:43] And that, that musical is pretty much all music

[00:55:46] It makes it hard for me to follow the story

[00:55:48] Like I need dialogue

[00:55:49] I'm just, I'm just that way

[00:55:50] Um, it's the same reason why like

[00:55:52] I like the music in, in, in Les Mis

[00:55:54] It's just that, that story is hard to follow at times

[00:55:57] Um, for me anyway

[00:55:59] Um, but, um, so I'm not against spring back

[00:56:03] The original cast

[00:56:04] But it doesn't always work out

[00:56:06] And it's been a very long time since a lot of these people

[00:56:09] Played these characters

[00:56:09] The only reason why I think it's sort of more possible with them

[00:56:12] Is they're not like trying to play people of a certain age

[00:56:15] Like there's a sort of timelessness

[00:56:17] To their versions of these characters

[00:56:18] Where it's like, yeah if, if, if, uh

[00:56:20] Lin-Manuel Miranda is a little older

[00:56:23] Um, it's not, not such a big deal

[00:56:25] But that having been said

[00:56:29] I would like to see someone else try this

[00:56:30] And I think having him play a separate character

[00:56:32] Um, would be kind of more interesting

[00:56:35] And then that way you could, like I say

[00:56:36] What I would like to do is like, yeah

[00:56:38] Like at the end for example

[00:56:40] My favorite moment of, of Hamelt

[00:56:42] One of my favorite moments is at the end

[00:56:43] Where, um, he comes back out

[00:56:46] And he's no longer Hamilton

[00:56:48] He's now, he's now Lin-Manuel Miranda

[00:56:50] And he shows, uh, he shows the ghost of

[00:56:54] At least that's how I, how I read the scene

[00:56:56] He's showing the ghost of, um

[00:56:59] Or the spirit of, um

[00:57:02] Eliza, like all the work she did

[00:57:04] And she had that moment, how the, the

[00:57:06] Play ends with her being like, like, I would love that

[00:57:09] I would love that where it's, oh I don't know if you watch Doctor Who

[00:57:12] But one of my favorite episodes of Doctor Who

[00:57:13] Oh okay, there's a really good episode of Doctor Who

[00:57:16] Where, um, they go back in time

[00:57:19] And they meet Vincent Van Gogh

[00:57:21] And Vincent Van Gogh

[00:57:23] And he's obviously the sort of torture genius or whatever

[00:57:25] And he's worried that his like, legacy isn't going to amount to anything

[00:57:29] And as far as he understands it, he's a loser of a painter

[00:57:31] And everyone hates him

[00:57:32] Um, and he, at the end of the episode, they take him

[00:57:35] As, as a way to sort of, to sort of soften his madness

[00:57:39] Because this is right at the end of his life

[00:57:40] Right before he kills himself

[00:57:42] Um, in order to soften his madness

[00:57:44] They take him to the future

[00:57:46] And they show him his work

[00:57:48] And they, they have the, the theater played by, or the art director

[00:57:53] Played by Bill Nye

[00:57:54] They have him like, basically say all of the contributions that he had

[00:57:58] To history and society

[00:58:00] And he, you see him just break down and weep

[00:58:03] And it reminds me of that moment in Hamilton

[00:58:05] And I would love to see a similar moment

[00:58:06] Where we literally get to see allies

[00:58:09] Like, like get to see this stuff

[00:58:10] Um, and yeah, I would like to have it where like

[00:58:12] Like, um, one of my favorite songs is the one where it's like

[00:58:16] They're, they're writing the letters to each other

[00:58:18] Um, at the very last song before they duel

[00:58:20] I would like to have that where like, that final song that Bill Burr sings

[00:58:23] Where like pulls back and he, and he has that

[00:58:26] The world was wide enough for both Hamilton and me

[00:58:28] And he's like, he's in the classroom

[00:58:29] Like pleading to these, to these kids being like

[00:58:35] Um, remember me differently

[00:58:36] I wasn't all bad

[00:58:37] Like, that, that play for me is just as much Bill, uh, Aaron Burr's story as it is

[00:58:42] Hamilton, I like Hamilton

[00:58:44] I got really into Hamilton and then the pandemic happened

[00:58:46] And I didn't get to show off my love of Hamilton

[00:58:48] I'm just mad at Jake for, you know, ruining it for me

[00:58:52] With the fact that, well, he just spoils it in the very first

[00:58:57] I'm like, shut up

[00:58:58] He, he, uh, I had thought of it that way before

[00:59:01] I thought that was funny

[00:59:02] That's a, that's a very valid point

[00:59:04] But my argument to that would be

[00:59:06] Um, my response to that would be

[00:59:08] It's a historical figure

[00:59:10] So like, granted, granted

[00:59:14] I didn't know much about Alexander Hamilton

[00:59:16] But you know he's gonna die

[00:59:17] So like, if it's about the life and time

[00:59:19] So like

[00:59:21] I understand that the framing device of having the character

[00:59:24] Having all the characters who you're gonna see

[00:59:28] Show up at the beginning

[00:59:29] To tell the story that you're about to see

[00:59:32] I get it

[00:59:34] That's one of those, there's one of those criticisms

[00:59:35] I'm not gonna say is not valid

[00:59:37] It just doesn't bother me

[00:59:39] Um, because I, yeah

[00:59:41] There were elements of it, of that musical where I

[00:59:43] I didn't like, I, I fully expected him and Angelica

[00:59:46] To get together, like I didn't expect him

[00:59:48] I was not expecting him and Eliza to get together

[00:59:50] Um

[00:59:51] Well here's the thing though

[00:59:53] I said, I say Jake's wrong though because

[00:59:58] Without

[01:00:01] Aaron Byrne in the beginning saying that

[01:00:03] And you know, yeah

[01:00:05] Quote-unquote spoiling it

[01:00:06] But

[01:00:08] The whole musical is about

[01:00:12] Like his life leading up to that point

[01:00:15] So it doesn't matter if, it doesn't matter if he

[01:00:18] Says it, says it

[01:00:20] It's kind of, it's kind of

[01:00:22] It's sort of similar to

[01:00:25] Oh my god this is such a, such a

[01:00:27] Far pull, but it's the only thing that's coming to mind

[01:00:30] But it really reminds me of obviously like

[01:00:32] Like um

[01:00:33] Uh, Citizen Kane, Rosebud

[01:00:35] Where you know, the rest of the movie is about finding out

[01:00:39] How, how he got there

[01:00:40] Like you know he's gonna Rosebud and die at the end

[01:00:43] Which look like, how did he get to Rosebud?

[01:00:44] I'm sure there's a more contemporary example

[01:00:47] That's just the best one I could think of

[01:00:48] Where you're like, yeah, where you're like

[01:00:50] Well yeah, it's the plays about finding out how

[01:00:53] We get to Aaron, why Aaron?

[01:00:56] It's not so much about

[01:00:57] Like finding out that Aaron Byrne shot him

[01:01:00] It's about finding out why Aaron Byrne shot him

[01:01:03] That's what the music is about

[01:01:04] But I also, I also could

[01:01:07] I do agree I like Alexander Hamilton

[01:01:09] But the song

[01:01:12] But it really only is there

[01:01:14] Because it got popular on the internet

[01:01:16] You could cut that song out and start at it

[01:01:19] Started at my shot

[01:01:21] Wouldn't really make much of a difference

[01:01:22] Like, I mean beyond the fact that you need like

[01:01:25] A little bit of framing to explain

[01:01:26] But you could just be like it starts with him

[01:01:29] Arriving at the colonies like all

[01:01:31] All that opening song really does

[01:01:33] Is explain his background and his life

[01:01:36] Which you could accomplish that in other places in the play

[01:01:38] Like you don't necessarily need it

[01:01:39] But that song got really popular

[01:01:43] Prior to the release of that movie

[01:01:45] Because of that, I don't know if you haven't seen it

[01:01:48] I highly recommend it

[01:01:50] There's that clip of him performing it

[01:01:52] For the first time at the White House

[01:01:54] Where he comes out and he's like

[01:01:56] I wrote this

[01:01:58] I'm writing this like spec album

[01:02:00] About the person who I think

[01:02:02] Accomplices hip hop Alexander Hamilton

[01:02:05] Everyone laughs at him like he's crazy

[01:02:06] And then he does the song

[01:02:08] That clip is totally worth watching just to see

[01:02:10] Like that's where the musical started

[01:02:12] Like that's where Hamilton started was there

[01:02:15] And that is really interesting because

[01:02:16] He plays Aaron Burr and how the song

[01:02:19] Kind of functions differently

[01:02:21] So it's just one character as opposed to

[01:02:24] Like 15 different characters all coming out

[01:02:26] And it's just yeah, it's structured differently

[01:02:28] I'm not gonna say it's better

[01:02:29] I don't know, I disagree

[01:02:31] I disagree, I feel like you need that

[01:02:33] I think you need that beginning part

[01:02:37] I don't think

[01:02:38] Look, I love Hamilton but if I'm being critical

[01:02:41] There's a lot of songs that we cut out of that musical

[01:02:43] Like Hurricane is another one I would absolutely cut out

[01:02:45] Love Hurricane

[01:02:46] Oh yeah, but poor Lynn can't sing it

[01:02:49] You can't sing it

[01:02:52] Bro, if you're gonna write music

[01:02:54] If you're gonna write music for yourself

[01:02:55] Write it in your vocal range

[01:02:56] Write it in your vocal range

[01:02:58] Why would you write a song not in your vocal range?

[01:03:00] It's absurd, it makes you look ridiculous

[01:03:03] And then not only

[01:03:05] And then film a pro shot where everyone could see

[01:03:08] That you can't sing this song that you wrote for yourself

[01:03:10] Like the funniest trivia about Hamilton

[01:03:13] Is the fact that he was gonna play Aaron Burr

[01:03:15] And everyone goes

[01:03:17] What? Like no, absolutely not

[01:03:19] There's no universe for your play

[01:03:21] Aaron Burr's got too many soulful ballads

[01:03:23] That Lin-Manuel is not vocally capable of singing

[01:03:25] He's a great rapper, he cannot sing

[01:03:27] Wow, he couldn't sing, he sings better now

[01:03:29] But back then he wasn't a great singer

[01:03:32] That's why if you've seen In the Heights

[01:03:34] If you've ever seen his version of In the Heights

[01:03:36] That's why his character doesn't sing

[01:03:39] I will say I don't love In the Heights

[01:03:42] In the Heights did do it for me

[01:03:43] I loved In the Heights but

[01:03:46] I love how we were starting to talk about

[01:03:49] Dear old James Earl Jones

[01:03:53] In his life and then we just like pivoted

[01:03:56] Pivoted into general broadway

[01:03:59] Broadway gossip and news

[01:04:00] Because unfortunately James Earl Jones

[01:04:04] Is just, there's nothing dramatic about him

[01:04:07] Other than to say like

[01:04:09] He's had a storied career

[01:04:11] And like

[01:04:14] He played some iconic characters

[01:04:16] Indisputable

[01:04:18] Like I just, whether or not you like

[01:04:20] Where the Lion King is currently

[01:04:22] Or where Star Wars is currently

[01:04:24] Whether or not you believe

[01:04:27] That Darth Vader is an over exposed character

[01:04:30] Which I can see the argument for

[01:04:33] When you

[01:04:34] When you close your eyes

[01:04:36] And you picture Darth Vader

[01:04:37] There's like sort of two things you picture

[01:04:39] The breathing and the voice

[01:04:41] And if not for him there'd be no voice

[01:04:43] Like it's really that kind of

[01:04:45] I will say

[01:04:48] The character as he's written in those movies

[01:04:50] Is kind of one dimensional but that's the point

[01:04:52] And I just don't, he never played the character

[01:04:54] Beyond that one dimensionality but

[01:04:57] It's a great voice

[01:04:58] Great voice

[01:05:00] And I will say though too

[01:05:02] I completely forgot about

[01:05:05] Lion King two and a half

[01:05:08] Oh you mean Lion King one and a half

[01:05:10] Lion King one and a half

[01:05:11] Lion King one and a half is good though

[01:05:14] That one was good because that was kind of

[01:05:16] The ass and era of those straight to DVD Disney movies

[01:05:19] Where they actually managed to get

[01:05:22] I want to say most of the original cast

[01:05:25] I know they got Timon and Puma back

[01:05:26] And that's kind of the most important ones

[01:05:27] I don't know if they got Matthew Broderick back

[01:05:29] That movie was really fun though

[01:05:31] That movie came out on my birthday

[01:05:34] Did it actually? Yeah

[01:05:37] Same as Milan, I got two Disney movies

[01:05:40] In my year

[01:05:43] Wait, Lion King one and a half

[01:05:45] Really? Yeah

[01:05:47] And now I'm going to definitely Google that

[01:05:49] What was I when that came out?

[01:05:51] I remember the trailer for that movie

[01:05:53] Because the big thing with that movie was

[01:05:55] It was like Timon and Puma

[01:05:59] 2004 it came out

[01:06:03] Interesting

[01:06:04] I was 14 when that movie came out

[01:06:06] But the big thing with that was

[01:06:07] It was Timon and Puma were present

[01:06:10] At most of the events of the first movie

[01:06:16] That you didn't think they were

[01:06:17] And they were just in the background

[01:06:18] Milan's 1998, that I know

[01:06:20] That one came out in 1998

[01:06:23] You might be thinking of

[01:06:25] The Lion King two

[01:06:28] That's what I meant

[01:06:29] The Lion King came out on my birthday

[01:06:33] 1998

[01:06:34] 1998

[01:06:34] That one came out

[01:06:35] That one came out

[01:06:36] That movie

[01:06:37] I don't know why I said one and a half

[01:06:39] I'm like that way

[01:06:40] That's not right

[01:06:41] Very funny because

[01:06:44] When people would shit on those straight to DVD movies

[01:06:46] Also, I think he's in that

[01:06:47] I'm pretty sure he comes back as Mufasa's ghost

[01:06:50] Mufasa's spirit at one point

[01:06:51] I don't know if he does a voice in it

[01:06:54] But I know that he comes back for it

[01:06:57] Which by the way

[01:06:58] I don't remember

[01:07:01] Lion King two

[01:07:02] I don't think I

[01:07:04] That I was eight years old when that movie came out

[01:07:06] And I very much owned that on DHS

[01:07:07] And I watched the shit out of it

[01:07:09] I am generally forgiving

[01:07:12] Of the straight to DVD Disney movies

[01:07:14] I like that one

[01:07:15] And I don't think it's that bad

[01:07:17] Was that straight to DVD?

[01:07:19] Oh yeah, it was absolutely straight to DVD

[01:07:21] That one did not get a theatrical release

[01:07:23] The Lion King one and a half I think almost did

[01:07:26] Because that one's got a budget

[01:07:27] Like it's got way more of a budget

[01:07:29] Than Lion King two does

[01:07:30] I loved Lion King one and a half

[01:07:34] I like the beginning when

[01:07:35] Like where Timon and Puma

[01:07:38] Are like in the movie theater

[01:07:39] Trying and there's like scooting along

[01:07:42] You can see their silhouettes

[01:07:44] Scooting along

[01:07:45] Mystery Science Theater

[01:07:46] Mystery Science Theater

[01:07:48] There's parts throughout the movie where they pause the movie

[01:07:50] That's very fun

[01:07:51] I point like Digitana

[01:07:53] That's a great song

[01:07:56] I think Lion King two has a great soundtrack

[01:07:58] I love the songs in that

[01:08:00] I don't know them

[01:08:01] I don't believe

[01:08:03] I don't believe Matthew Broderick is in that one

[01:08:05] I think it's a voice match

[01:08:07] Almost entirely positive it's not him

[01:08:10] I'm going to stall while I quickly google it

[01:08:12] Oh no it is

[01:08:13] Never mind I was wrong

[01:08:15] He is very

[01:08:16] Really? Have you ever seen the scream movies?

[01:08:19] Ghost Face? Yeah I've seen them

[01:08:21] Apparently

[01:08:23] I don't have time to tell you how much you're wrong

[01:08:29] We'll do a scream episode

[01:08:31] And then I can tell you

[01:08:32] Another day I'll tell you how much you're wrong

[01:08:33] No I'm kidding

[01:08:35] But no it's interesting

[01:08:37] The woman who plays

[01:08:39] Sydney Prescott is Kiara

[01:08:41] The adult daughter of Simba

[01:08:43] Which they did not know

[01:08:45] It's very interesting

[01:08:47] When you're a kid

[01:08:48] You don't really care about

[01:08:50] Oh yeah I knew Andy Dick wasn't it

[01:08:51] Yeah when you're a kid

[01:08:52] Oh yeah yeah

[01:08:54] James Earl Jones as Mufasa he's in it

[01:08:57] Apparently Scar is in it

[01:08:58] I've seen this movie so many times how did I forget that

[01:09:02] Apparently Jim Cummings plays him in a brief cameo

[01:09:04] I didn't know

[01:09:05] Now that's so interesting because I think Jim Cummings played him in Kingdom Hearts too

[01:09:09] And he

[01:09:10] Jim Cummings played a lot of

[01:09:12] Of like

[01:09:13] Those characters I'm surprised

[01:09:16] Well fun fact about Jim Cummings

[01:09:18] Is

[01:09:19] Hey I've met him

[01:09:20] Nice guy

[01:09:21] And B

[01:09:25] He's saying like the second half

[01:09:26] Of B prepared for it

[01:09:28] That's a pretty common piece of trivia

[01:09:29] What are you saying the second half of like

[01:09:31] That's what I was going to bring up was he

[01:09:33] Saying B prepared I'm like how

[01:09:35] Well he claims he's saying the whole thing

[01:09:38] And a lot of people

[01:09:40] A lot of people say

[01:09:43] That he's full of shit

[01:09:43] That if you know

[01:09:46] Like apparently it's like it was like one

[01:09:47] Verse and if you know

[01:09:48] If you're aware, if you're familiar with

[01:09:52] Music

[01:09:53] At all

[01:09:54] Listening to people's vocals you can tell

[01:09:56] You can tell that he

[01:09:59] That he

[01:10:01] When it's not him

[01:10:02] And once someone points I watched

[01:10:05] That video about it and when someone points it out you're like oh yeah

[01:10:07] You can clearly hear where it stops

[01:10:09] Being Jeremy Irons and it starts being

[01:10:10] And again it's like one high note at the end

[01:10:13] Of the song but also I think Jeremy Irons

[01:10:15] Insists that no that's not true

[01:10:17] So who knows but yeah he played

[01:10:19] He was Ed in the original movie

[01:10:22] No I like

[01:10:23] I like the second one I like the a lot of

[01:10:25] The music

[01:10:26] There's a lot of

[01:10:28] I like some of the music better in the

[01:10:30] Second one than the first one

[01:10:31] That's not to say I don't like the first one I just think

[01:10:33] They're more varied and interesting

[01:10:36] Not all of it's good like there's a song called

[01:10:37] U-Pen-D that's not very good

[01:10:39] But

[01:10:41] The rest of it's good

[01:10:43] Yeah the Lion King there was a guy

[01:10:45] Who got really famous called confused Matthew

[01:10:47] There for a while he kept saying that the Lion King was a bad movie

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[01:11:01] Okay

[01:11:02] It looks bad so we're gonna talk about movies

[01:11:05] That new Joker movie is apparently terrible

[01:11:07] And I want to see it so badly but here it's awful

[01:11:10] We're gonna make some jokes

[01:11:11] We're gonna have some laughs

[01:11:12] There's a lot of funny jokes in there

[01:11:14] There's a lot of weird jokes in there

[01:11:17] The Channing Tatum one

[01:11:19] Will always make me laugh

[01:11:21] This is basically when you hear

[01:11:22] When you hear the behind the scenes stuff

[01:11:25] Like when you hear the behind the scenes

[01:11:27] Story of how they just phoned them up

[01:11:29] For occasionally gonna have other people

[01:11:31] Along for the ride

[01:11:32] A really fun fact though is

[01:11:34] I learned last year that

[01:11:36] Like a

[01:11:36] That Coraline was like a not

[01:11:40] Disney

[01:11:40] I mean I can see why you would make that mistake

[01:11:43] Yeah, because it does seem like

[01:11:46] It's a different

[01:11:46] That would be a

[01:11:49] That would be a horrifying

[01:11:52] Terrible

[01:11:52] It would be because yeah

[01:11:55] And we're just gonna have a general good time

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[01:12:00] Make sure you watch it

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[01:12:03] Sometimes we watch shows

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[01:12:07] Here

[01:12:08] On the spur of the

[01:12:09] On the spur of the

[01:12:11] 3, 3, 2, 1

[01:12:15] On the spur of the podcast

[01:12:17] Yeah we nailed it

[01:12:19] Nailed it guys

[01:12:20] Yeah, yeah, yeah

[01:12:23] It's the first podcast every Saturday and we nailed it

[01:12:25] You can expect awesome content like that

[01:12:28] We cut while as promos

[01:12:30] Every single week

[01:12:41] When I got the news that

[01:12:43] James Earl Jones

[01:12:45] Like I said in the beginning of this episode

[01:12:47] I thought it was just a rumor

[01:12:49] Because that had been going on for a while

[01:12:53] And

[01:12:53] It ended up not being true

[01:12:55] When it comes to

[01:12:57] Celebrity deaths, usually if it's really sudden

[01:13:00] There's been a few times

[01:13:01] I've seen some pop up and I go

[01:13:03] Oh really and then you go to Google and it's like

[01:13:05] Nope, nope still very much alive

[01:13:06] Yeah, Betty White was like that

[01:13:09] For many, many years

[01:13:10] The Betty White meme

[01:13:12] Was always like and it's Betty White's

[01:13:14] Birthday and she lives another year

[01:13:16] It was like Groundhog Day

[01:13:19] She passed away

[01:13:20] I can't remember if she's still alive or not

[01:13:22] When she finally died

[01:13:24] It finally happened

[01:13:27] Yeah, but again

[01:13:29] I'm just

[01:13:30] I'm just tired

[01:13:33] He's one of those celebrities

[01:13:34] Where I

[01:13:36] Opened it up and I went

[01:13:37] I'm not surprised

[01:13:38] For me it's way more

[01:13:43] When they're 30s or 40s

[01:13:45] And it's like tragic

[01:13:46] Or 60s even

[01:13:48] When Robin Williams died

[01:13:49] It was harsh

[01:13:51] Here it's like

[01:13:54] Stan Lee with the last one

[01:13:56] We still don't know how

[01:13:58] James Earl Jones died too

[01:14:00] They're still looking into it

[01:14:01] But I'm like

[01:14:02] I was just going to say peacefully and

[01:14:05] Sleep if I had a guess

[01:14:07] It's got to be old age

[01:14:08] Just so they could look at

[01:14:10] Yeah, it's got to be

[01:14:12] But then you wait several months

[01:14:15] And you find out Matthew Perry was killed

[01:14:16] By a neglectful doctor and a shitty drug dealer

[01:14:19] So like

[01:14:21] It's one of those things where

[01:14:22] I suspect it was probably old age

[01:14:24] But the one thing I will say about him

[01:14:26] I just really hope we don't hear any stories of elder abuse

[01:14:28] Like that's the most depressing

[01:14:30] Is when you like see

[01:14:32] I don't know if he did a ton of convention appearances

[01:14:34] But like Stan Lee for example

[01:14:36] When he used to do conventions appearances

[01:14:37] And they were just like wheel him out in a wheelchair

[01:14:39] And it was sad

[01:14:41] At least here you didn't have that

[01:14:44] Where it was like James Earl Jones

[01:14:46] Is doing convention appearances at age 90

[01:14:48] And you just wheel him out and have him sign

[01:14:50] Darth Vader pictures

[01:14:51] I didn't hear any of that

[01:14:53] They did that with Tim Curry

[01:14:56] That's it, yeah

[01:14:57] That's one where he's in a wheelchair now

[01:14:59] And every time I see him it feels

[01:15:01] Although me and Jordan talked about it on our show

[01:15:03] He's doing a movie

[01:15:06] Yeah

[01:15:07] I can't remember what it was called

[01:15:09] But it was like a horror movie

[01:15:10] So he's doing alright

[01:15:13] Yeah

[01:15:14] We talked about how iconic Tim Curry

[01:15:17] He

[01:15:19] I will make the argument has never been bad

[01:15:22] In anything

[01:15:22] Like anytime he shows up

[01:15:24] Like I watched a television show from the 90s

[01:15:26] Like oh there's Tim Curry

[01:15:28] He's always great

[01:15:30] There has never been a voice performance

[01:15:32] I saw him do where he was putting in half the effort

[01:15:34] He always gave 110%

[01:15:36] Like if you could find a way to make a voice sexy

[01:15:38] He would

[01:15:40] Like Hexis is weirdly horny

[01:15:42] Like that's a horny character

[01:15:45] I mean watch

[01:15:47] Watch Fringoli and tell me I'm wrong

[01:15:50] So is Frankenberger

[01:15:52] Frankenferner is so horny

[01:15:53] But that's to be fair to that character

[01:15:56] That's kind of the point

[01:15:57] That I respect you he played that character a lot

[01:15:59] He that was an example of

[01:16:01] I believe he originated that role on Broadway

[01:16:03] And then he came and he did it for the movie

[01:16:05] I think most of the original cast

[01:16:07] The Broadway version player in that movie

[01:16:11] Yeah, James Earl Jones is like that for me

[01:16:13] Where he's just a voice like again

[01:16:14] Him, Keith David, Kevin Michael Richardson

[01:16:17] They just have that

[01:16:19] That's James Earl Jones

[01:16:20] Like just instantly you just know

[01:16:22] You just know you're like that's James Earl Jones

[01:16:24] Here's a funny story

[01:16:27] About Keith David

[01:16:29] And James Earl Jones

[01:16:30] Because I grew up watching

[01:16:33] Coraline that movie

[01:16:34] Do you re-record Coraline?

[01:16:37] Oh yeah, I've never read it

[01:16:38] I've seen the movie at least twice

[01:16:40] I love the movie

[01:16:43] I kept mixing the two for some reason

[01:16:46] Oh yeah, Keith David is in that movie right?

[01:16:48] Keith David is the cat

[01:16:51] Yeah

[01:16:51] I've mixed them up with his own

[01:16:52] I kept thinking it was James Earl Jones

[01:16:54] But I'm like wait no

[01:16:57] They have a similar key

[01:16:58] Yeah that's

[01:17:02] There's one of them

[01:17:03] Him and James Earl Jones in particular

[01:17:05] I mixed them up a lot

[01:17:07] There's a few times where I'm like

[01:17:08] That sounds like James Earl Jones and I open up

[01:17:10] Oh no it's Keith David

[01:17:11] For me Keith David is always going to be

[01:17:13] Goliath on Gargoyles

[01:17:14] I mean so many

[01:17:17] Keith David

[01:17:18] Or Husk in Hasbroon Hotel

[01:17:21] He's absolutely Husk in Hasbroon Hotel

[01:17:24] I love that show

[01:17:24] I actually just finished watching Hell of a Boss

[01:17:27] I haven't yet to watch

[01:17:31] Hasbroon Hotel yet

[01:17:32] I haven't watched it yet and I need to

[01:17:34] As a Broadway person you should

[01:17:36] Because season 2 is about to

[01:17:39] To drop I think

[01:17:40] It's coming soon

[01:17:41] I need to watch it be first

[01:17:44] Because

[01:17:45] It's got all the Broadway people

[01:17:48] Yeah I was like Keith David

[01:17:51] One other one

[01:17:53] Who's this?

[01:17:54] Darren Criss is in it at one point

[01:17:56] If you're into Beetlejuice

[01:17:58] Or a School of Rock

[01:17:59] Alex Breitman I love that

[01:18:02] I've seen clips of him and I'm like

[01:18:04] He's really good

[01:18:05] He's also in Hell of a Boss as well

[01:18:08] Who else?

[01:18:09] There's one more

[01:18:10] I think I don't know if you're

[01:18:13] Yeah I'm not super familiar with her

[01:18:15] But yeah she's also in it

[01:18:17] Blake Roman

[01:18:19] Keith Oakland

[01:18:21] Yeah there's one more

[01:18:22] Blake

[01:18:24] Blake Roman

[01:18:27] He's Angel Dust

[01:18:28] Yeah I'm a huge Alex Breitman fan

[01:18:32] Ever since

[01:18:33] For me my Alex Breitman

[01:18:35] Love comes from School of Rock

[01:18:36] School of Rock

[01:18:39] It's surprisingly good

[01:18:41] Like when that came out at the same time

[01:18:43] As like they did a TV show

[01:18:45] At the time I was like who is this for

[01:18:48] Movies good too

[01:18:48] I watched the movie

[01:18:51] Movies Jack Black and it's really good

[01:18:53] But the musical is

[01:18:54] I haven't seen

[01:18:57] The musical

[01:18:58] But I grew up watching the movie

[01:19:01] If you like the movie and you like Alex Breitman

[01:19:04] It's good

[01:19:05] I haven't seen the whole thing

[01:19:06] I've only seen bits and pieces of it

[01:19:07] But specifically I'm in the band

[01:19:10] And I'm sticking to the men

[01:19:12] That's where I discovered Alex Breitman

[01:19:14] He does a decent approximation

[01:19:16] Of the Jack Black character

[01:19:17] Like he's doing like

[01:19:18] I'm in the band

[01:19:20] It's the scene in the movie

[01:19:22] Where they come back from music class

[01:19:27] And he's all like I didn't know

[01:19:28] You guys can play me

[01:19:29] I remember that one

[01:19:32] And that song is really good

[01:19:34] And he's really good

[01:19:37] He's basically Jack Black

[01:19:38] In a way that's quite impressive

[01:19:40] He's approximating that character really well

[01:19:42] His character is so mean

[01:19:44] It's a Meryl Nacoskows character

[01:19:47] You're so mean

[01:19:49] The play is kind of different

[01:19:51] But because it's already

[01:19:53] Based on kind of a musical-ish movie

[01:19:55] You get to see

[01:19:56] And the neat thing about that play

[01:19:58] In particular is all the kids

[01:20:00] Play their instruments on stage, like live

[01:20:02] It's really cool

[01:20:04] That's where I discovered him

[01:20:05] I discovered him watching that

[01:20:06] Because I was like school of rock, musical, what the

[01:20:09] And it's made by Andrew Lloyd Webber

[01:20:11] Like if Andrew Lloyd Webber joined

[01:20:13] Yeah it's quite good

[01:20:14] Which is so funny to me

[01:20:17] That he has all these great

[01:20:22] Great

[01:20:22] Great

[01:20:23] I was just like what?

[01:20:25] Musicals that he's written

[01:20:27] And everything

[01:20:28] But then you have stuff like Bad Cinderella

[01:20:31] Where it's just like

[01:20:32] Is he doing Bad Cinderella? Was that in Andrew Lloyd Webber?

[01:20:35] I heard that was really bad

[01:20:36] I heard that was genuinely terrible

[01:20:37] Horrible, it was horrible

[01:20:39] It was one of those ones where I heard it was genuinely terrible

[01:20:42] But no one really could quite articulate

[01:20:44] Why? They were just kind of like it just is

[01:20:47] Like that was the thing with that one

[01:20:49] It just is

[01:20:51] Which was crazy

[01:20:52] I can't explain it, like it's just bad

[01:20:54] But I also think

[01:20:55] No pun intended

[01:20:56] And Juliet? I think that also looks bad

[01:21:00] So like

[01:21:00] I like the And Juliet

[01:21:03] Isn't Bad Cinderella, no that did have original music

[01:21:06] It wasn't a jukebox

[01:21:07] It wasn't a jukebox

[01:21:08] And Juliet's a jukebox

[01:21:11] It has like every single

[01:21:13] Yeah that I knew was a jukebox

[01:21:15] But Bad Cinderella isn't a jukebox

[01:21:16] Yeah that thing tanked horribly

[01:21:18] Didn't have a very long run

[01:21:20] And that's in a world where like the Shrek musical does well

[01:21:23] But the one that intrigues me right now

[01:21:25] Well two

[01:21:26] Two I would love to see

[01:21:27] Back the future of the musical

[01:21:31] And

[01:21:32] That has the guy who played Hercules

[01:21:34] Young Hercules, he did the singing voice for Young Hercules

[01:21:36] He plays Doc Brown

[01:21:37] And I heard that surprisingly good

[01:21:40] And the other one that intrigues me is Mrs. Doubtfire

[01:21:44] That one intrigues me so much

[01:21:45] Because I'm like

[01:21:47] How

[01:21:49] I've seen the makeup because they revealed the makeup

[01:21:51] A while ago and it looks like

[01:21:53] The movie

[01:21:53] Rob McClure

[01:21:57] I can't you not

[01:22:00] Rob McClure

[01:22:01] Who plays

[01:22:03] Mrs. Doubtfire

[01:22:04] In that musical

[01:22:06] And in the tour

[01:22:09] Oh he's doing the tour too wow good for him

[01:22:11] Yeah he's doing the tour too and he sounds

[01:22:14] Exactly

[01:22:15] I've seen clips

[01:22:17] Exactly like Robin

[01:22:18] There's a really funny clip of them

[01:22:20] I don't know if it's the same guy but there's a clip of who's ever doing them

[01:22:23] They were performing at the west end

[01:22:25] And there was a bit where he like

[01:22:26] Throw, he's doing the bit from the

[01:22:29] From the movie where he throws the

[01:22:31] The orange but he throws something else out and he goes

[01:22:33] Oh that guy over there and the

[01:22:35] Impression is impeccable

[01:22:37] But that is heavy

[01:22:39] Prostetic in the movie

[01:22:39] And it looks just like the movie

[01:22:41] I'm like how do they do that

[01:22:43] Like when I

[01:22:45] Heard Rob McClure

[01:22:47] Speak and the Mrs. Doubtfire

[01:22:49] Sounded exactly like Robin

[01:22:52] Robin

[01:22:53] Williams and I

[01:22:55] I cried and I had

[01:22:57] Like I messaged him

[01:22:59] too after I

[01:23:00] I watched it I was like

[01:23:02] You are doing Robin

[01:23:05] Williams so fucking proud

[01:23:07] Looks really good

[01:23:09] My question with that though is like

[01:23:11] Because I watched it I watched it really good

[01:23:14] My question is

[01:23:15] That looks like it's a really heavy makeup job

[01:23:17] Yeah and the character

[01:23:19] bounces back and forth

[01:23:21] Unless he dissape, I guess maybe

[01:23:23] There must be the kids

[01:23:25] Must get prolonged musical numbers

[01:23:27] I know they get at least one

[01:23:28] Where do they have the time to get him

[01:23:31] In and out of that makeup

[01:23:32] It's gotta be a ton of makeup

[01:23:34] A ton of prosthetics

[01:23:35] Because Shrek for example

[01:23:37] He's in it the whole time

[01:23:40] I've seen how they do

[01:23:41] Have you seen Shrek the musical

[01:23:44] Yeah

[01:23:47] It's great musical

[01:23:48] It's severely underrated

[01:23:50] You know the bit

[01:23:54] Who I'd be at the end of who I'd be

[01:23:56] Where she comes out and she's wearing

[01:23:58] I've seen behind the scenes video

[01:24:00] Of how they do that

[01:24:01] It's really quite impressive

[01:24:02] How fast they just put it on her

[01:24:04] I thought it was lighting

[01:24:06] I thought it was like

[01:24:09] They put a fake nose on her

[01:24:11] And they just put green light on her

[01:24:12] And that was it

[01:24:13] But no she actually gets a full face thing

[01:24:16] And they do it in 30 seconds

[01:24:18] So I'm like yeah they must do prolonged

[01:24:21] I know that

[01:24:22] How I discovered it

[01:24:25] There's a song that the kids sing

[01:24:26] Called What the Hell

[01:24:27] Which I really like

[01:24:28] I was about to mention that

[01:24:30] This is really good

[01:24:33] And also you get to see the kids

[01:24:35] Perspective because the movie doesn't

[01:24:37] Delve into that a whole time

[01:24:38] You don't appreciate how the kids are feeling

[01:24:40] It's more about the parents in that movie

[01:24:43] I just like the fact that

[01:24:47] That they kept

[01:24:48] In the flaming boobs

[01:24:51] Where she like

[01:24:52] She like leaned over and she catches her boobs

[01:24:53] On fire and she's like

[01:24:55] That's funny

[01:24:56] Yeah that's one of those ones I would like to see

[01:24:58] See as a guy who lives on the west coast of Canada

[01:25:02] More pro shots

[01:25:03] Just more pro shots

[01:25:05] More pro shots

[01:25:05] Give it a year

[01:25:08] Put it out

[01:25:10] Let it do a run on Broadway

[01:25:13] And then once it

[01:25:14] You don't have to do a pro shot once it's on Broadway

[01:25:17] Like I get that

[01:25:18] You want to save the show

[01:25:19] I totally understand that

[01:25:22] And what's frustrating

[01:25:23] Is a lot of plays will

[01:25:25] Film a pro shot

[01:25:26] And then just never release it

[01:25:28] It goes into the archives

[01:25:30] And they never release it

[01:25:32] Which is so frustrating because people would buy it

[01:25:34] So yeah just film it at the end of the run

[01:25:37] Right before you go on tour

[01:25:39] Because the tour version is never as good

[01:25:41] As the Broadway version

[01:25:43] Did you know that you can go

[01:25:45] To the New York City Library

[01:25:47] And watch the pro shots

[01:25:50] Yeah really I knew that

[01:25:52] They put them in there

[01:25:53] I didn't know you can actually watch them

[01:25:56] But you can't have your phone

[01:25:57] In there

[01:26:00] I didn't know that

[01:26:01] I knew they archived them

[01:26:03] And we weren't allowed to watch them

[01:26:04] Because they make so many of these

[01:26:07] That would make money

[01:26:10] Especially if you get it with the original cast

[01:26:12] It's not going to be the same

[01:26:15] If anything

[01:26:15] It's going to entice you

[01:26:17] To go to watch it

[01:26:19] And it's not going to be the same

[01:26:21] Because by the time you've gotten there

[01:26:23] Like even if it's still on Broadway

[01:26:25] They're on their third or fourth cast

[01:26:26] By this point I'm pretty sure

[01:26:28] Dear Evan Hansen is still on Broadway

[01:26:30] And I'm pretty sure they're on their fifth cast

[01:26:32] By this point

[01:26:33] So like if they put out a pro shot

[01:26:34] With the original cast

[01:26:37] Then that would have been

[01:26:39] I think so much better

[01:26:39] That place complicated

[01:26:41] But I feel like it would have been more better received

[01:26:43] Than the movie was

[01:26:43] But there's lots of them like that

[01:26:46] I got so much enjoyment out of watching

[01:26:49] But also I like pro shots

[01:26:50] Where like the waitress pro shot

[01:26:53] That's one of my all time favorite pro shots

[01:26:55] Because that pro shot and the Shrek one

[01:26:57] Because they both know how to use

[01:26:59] Cinematic language

[01:27:00] To enhance the stage

[01:27:03] And make it more interesting

[01:27:04] I'm just excited because

[01:27:06] Dear Evan Hansen

[01:27:08] Our like so

[01:27:09] Our season starts

[01:27:12] This week actually it starts on Friday

[01:27:14] I think our season starts soon

[01:27:16] We got Dear Evan Hansen a couple of years ago

[01:27:19] And

[01:27:20] So I start my

[01:27:21] I start ushering

[01:27:24] Like Friday

[01:27:26] For a comedian

[01:27:28] Mike Epps

[01:27:29] Oh I know him, he's Canadian

[01:27:31] No not Mike Epps, no I'm thinking of someone else

[01:27:33] Sorry, I don't know him, I'm familiar

[01:27:35] So I'm thinking of someone else

[01:27:36] As I said that I was like no no

[01:27:39] But

[01:27:40] We are getting Dear Evan Hansen

[01:27:43] So as an usher do you get to watch this

[01:27:45] Ship for free? Yep

[01:27:47] So you get to sit there while you're ushering

[01:27:48] And just watch it and then once like intermission

[01:27:50] Starts like okay everyone this way now

[01:27:53] Yep

[01:27:53] That sounds like a pretty sweet gig, I'm not gonna lie

[01:27:57] Yep and

[01:27:57] We constantly talk about how we need to get out to more theater

[01:27:59] It's just so expensive

[01:28:00] That kind of opportunity

[01:28:03] That's pretty great

[01:28:03] And to bring it all the way back around

[01:28:06] To what we

[01:28:08] Are meant to be talking about

[01:28:10] James Joel Jones

[01:28:12] We have Lion King coming

[01:28:17] For two weeks

[01:28:18] I would love to

[01:28:20] Okay this is maybe a hot take

[01:28:22] I mean yeah it's Lion King

[01:28:24] They've gotten the tour down to a

[01:28:26] Side so that isn't surprising

[01:28:28] Yeah like

[01:28:29] Like they're staying at our theater for two weeks

[01:28:32] I'm like what

[01:28:33] I'm gonna watch it like ten times

[01:28:36] No um I think

[01:28:37] Don't tell me I will

[01:28:38] This might be my hardest take of the episode

[01:28:41] But I think that it's the only good

[01:28:43] Well I haven't seen the

[01:28:44] Beauty and the Beast one

[01:28:46] But if it's anything like the Aladdin one

[01:28:48] I think it's the only good Disney

[01:28:51] Broadway musical maybe

[01:28:52] Maybe Frozen

[01:28:55] Aladdin was genuinely terrible

[01:28:57] Like it was easily

[01:28:59] One of the worst things I'd ever seen

[01:29:00] I was always like

[01:29:02] It's one of those things that I thought was so bad

[01:29:05] Um

[01:29:06] I immediately went to google and went

[01:29:08] I cannot be the only one who thinks this is bad

[01:29:10] Like it

[01:29:12] Reminded okay you've obviously been to Disney land

[01:29:15] No you've been to Disney world

[01:29:16] Are you familiar? I don't know if they had this in Disney world

[01:29:19] Because they have it at Disney California

[01:29:20] The Hyperion Theater for the longest time

[01:29:22] There was a show called the Aladdin Disney

[01:29:25] Spectacular

[01:29:25] The land of Disney land

[01:29:28] Have you seen it? Have you seen clips of it?

[01:29:30] I've watched it on YouTube

[01:29:32] It's hilarious it's fucking hilarious

[01:29:34] I thought the Broadway

[01:29:36] That was better than the Broadway musical

[01:29:38] The Broadway musical was that

[01:29:40] And it didn't have near the budget

[01:29:41] It was so you know

[01:29:42] You obviously know what a pantomime is

[01:29:47] It's silly really

[01:29:48] Pantomime is like typically it breaks the fourth wall

[01:29:51] And it's really silly

[01:29:52] Usually when you do like a pantomime

[01:29:54] It's usually have like a children's story

[01:29:55] And they usually do it at Christmas

[01:29:56] So last one I watched was for like Alice in Wonderland

[01:29:58] It involved breaking and interacting with the audience

[01:30:00] That's what it reminded me of

[01:30:02] It was very silly

[01:30:03] It didn't take Aladdin seriously

[01:30:08] And it was the only good thing about it

[01:30:10] Was

[01:30:12] Instead of

[01:30:12] Have you seen the Aladdin Broadway musical?

[01:30:15] I have not

[01:30:16] I watched a bootleg

[01:30:19] It wasn't

[01:30:20] But there were some interesting aspects of it

[01:30:23] There's no boo

[01:30:25] And Yago instead of being a parrot

[01:30:27] Is a guy

[01:30:28] But it's a guy doing

[01:30:31] Gilbert Gottfried impression

[01:30:32] But a bad one

[01:30:34] So he just screeches the whole time

[01:30:36] Every single line of dialogue he just screeches

[01:30:39] The version of it

[01:30:41] One of the few interesting things was

[01:30:43] The original Broadway one run

[01:30:44] The original Jafar played Jafar

[01:30:46] The voice of Jafar

[01:30:47] He played Jafar

[01:30:48] The version of it I watched didn't have him

[01:30:50] But he played him for like ever

[01:30:52] He did the run for like I think

[01:30:54] Five, six, like a long time

[01:30:56] Like almost ten years

[01:30:59] But there's no boo

[01:31:00] Instead of a boo

[01:31:02] They split a boo into four characters

[01:31:05] So he's got four best friends

[01:31:08] And

[01:31:09] They added in

[01:31:11] You know the song Proud of Your Boy

[01:31:13] Yeah

[01:31:14] They added in Proud of Your Boy back into it

[01:31:17] And he has a mother now

[01:31:18] So that element from the original version of the movie

[01:31:21] Where he's singing to his mom

[01:31:23] He does that now and they added in

[01:31:25] If you ever had the Aladdin soundtrack

[01:31:27] There's a demo song called High Adventure

[01:31:31] Very quick thing about Aladdin

[01:31:32] Originally in Aladdin there was two genies

[01:31:35] There was the main genie

[01:31:36] Which is the one that eventually became the Robin Williams character

[01:31:38] And there was gonna be a genie of the ring

[01:31:41] So he would have had access to two genies

[01:31:43] And they would have been different

[01:31:44] And so High Adventure

[01:31:46] In its original incarnation

[01:31:48] You can Google it, it's a great song

[01:31:49] I highly recommend it if you've never heard it

[01:31:51] It's very high energy and it's sung by Alan Menken

[01:31:54] It's really good

[01:31:55] But it's two genies singing to each other

[01:31:58] So in the Broadway play

[01:32:00] Instead of that it's the four characters

[01:32:02] They all sing and they're singing

[01:32:03] Basically there's a point and

[01:32:05] You know when Aladdin gets thrown into the dungeon

[01:32:08] They sing a song about how they're gonna go rescue him

[01:32:10] And they have their own little subplot

[01:32:12] And it's quite good, it's quite a good number

[01:32:14] And some of the choreography was kind of fun

[01:32:16] But otherwise I didn't think it was very good

[01:32:17] Like the thing with the genie

[01:32:20] Is if you're not trying to do Robin Williams

[01:32:22] It's tough and they were trying

[01:32:23] To do something different and I just didn't think it worked

[01:32:26] But yeah I didn't think it was very good

[01:32:27] The only one that I think might be worse is

[01:32:29] They shouldn't be trying to do Robin

[01:32:32] Yeah

[01:32:33] But it was like the version of Jafar

[01:32:35] I saw was it

[01:32:37] It was like that theme park show

[01:32:40] It didn't have the budget

[01:32:42] Or the energy or any of the effort

[01:32:44] Put into it that you would think of

[01:32:45] Like The Lion King has great set work

[01:32:47] All the costumes are fun

[01:32:49] I've never actually seen it but I've seen clips of it

[01:32:51] So like the puppetry is good

[01:32:53] I do think that T'amon gets a little

[01:32:55] Weird compared to the other puppets

[01:32:57] But still the puppetry is very good

[01:32:59] It's well thought out whereas the Aladdin one

[01:33:01] Just wasn't

[01:33:02] Like I say that as a person who was critical

[01:33:05] Of the frozen musical

[01:33:07] The coolest thing about the frozen musical

[01:33:09] Is the quick change

[01:33:10] Apparently the tour doesn't do the quick change

[01:33:12] And is disappointing

[01:33:15] If you've ever seen the frozen musical

[01:33:17] I have not

[01:33:18] I'm gonna do a really fun quick change

[01:33:20] I'm excited for

[01:33:22] That pro shot

[01:33:25] On Disney Plus, on the Comet

[01:33:27] Sorry sorry they're doing a frozen musical pro shot

[01:33:30] Yep

[01:33:31] Ah, sexy

[01:33:32] See this is why I like talking to you

[01:33:34] You have all the best musical news

[01:33:36] I did not know that

[01:33:37] Because the best part of that

[01:33:40] I don't know if you've ever seen a performance of Let It Go

[01:33:42] They do it when she in the musical

[01:33:44] In the movie obviously when she does

[01:33:45] That changes her outfit

[01:33:46] To simulate that on stage

[01:33:48] They do a real fast quick change

[01:33:51] And every most version

[01:33:54] I've seen the tour version of it

[01:33:56] It doesn't look great

[01:33:56] But most versions of it look really

[01:33:58] It's one of those things where it looks cool on film

[01:34:01] And I imagine if you're in

[01:34:02] If you're there

[01:34:04] It looks spectacular

[01:34:08] Real quick because I imagine

[01:34:10] You probably want to wrap this up

[01:34:11] I have to ask you because I'm not going to get a chance

[01:34:14] To do this on Saturday

[01:34:15] I saw clips of that

[01:34:17] We obviously had a disagreement about the Hercules musical

[01:34:21] Do you genuinely think

[01:34:23] Those costumes are good

[01:34:24] Please tell me you don't

[01:34:26] They're not good costumes

[01:34:28] They're not the best

[01:34:30] They're just boring

[01:34:32] They're boring

[01:34:33] The staging was boring

[01:34:35] The choreography was boring

[01:34:36] My thing with the Disney musicals

[01:34:39] Is being able to sing the songs well

[01:34:40] Is not good enough

[01:34:43] There's five cover artists on YouTube

[01:34:45] Who can sing the songs well

[01:34:46] That doesn't mean much to me

[01:34:51] There's a bunch of cover artists

[01:34:55] That's not an impressive feat

[01:34:57] It's all about the staging

[01:34:58] For me

[01:34:59] It's at D23

[01:35:01] It's in its actual theater

[01:35:03] It won't look like total shit

[01:35:04] But it just looked really boring

[01:35:07] That was my main thing about it

[01:35:09] I also watch it

[01:35:10] That's so cool to approach

[01:35:11] I was really

[01:35:14] I really liked the incanto

[01:35:16] What they did with that when they did a pro shot

[01:35:19] Almost of that concert

[01:35:20] Disney coming in with the pro shots

[01:35:23] Like

[01:35:24] They had a pro shot of another musical

[01:35:26] That I hadn't heard of

[01:35:27] What is this

[01:35:29] Oh sweet

[01:35:32] I liked the fact that we're making pro shots

[01:35:34] I watched a pro shot of

[01:35:36] Tim Horton's musical

[01:35:37] Which was genuinely very funny

[01:35:39] And

[01:35:42] If you

[01:35:45] I don't know if you've seen

[01:35:48] Things about like a shocked

[01:35:50] The musical

[01:35:54] It's basically

[01:35:55] A musical about corn

[01:35:56] I recognize the premise

[01:35:57] I seem to recall hearing something about a musical

[01:36:00] About corn but I don't recognize the name

[01:36:02] It's called Shock and they're getting a pro shot too

[01:36:04] So

[01:36:05] That's so awesome

[01:36:07] I love that, that makes me very happy

[01:36:09] Because yeah, it's the only way

[01:36:11] When I worked at the movie theater

[01:36:12] We used to have

[01:36:15] A thing

[01:36:16] It was like the Saturday morning

[01:36:17] Or Sunday morning opera

[01:36:18] And every time they had opera

[01:36:20] They treated it like it was a theater

[01:36:23] You were watching it in the theater

[01:36:24] It was like three hours long

[01:36:27] There's an intermission in the middle

[01:36:28] They would bring in coffee and snacks

[01:36:31] All sorts of things

[01:36:32] They would have a separate person run the opera

[01:36:34] And then they had a similar thing

[01:36:36] But it wasn't quite to the same production level

[01:36:38] But they had a thing with the national theater

[01:36:40] Where you would show up

[01:36:41] And they would have plays

[01:36:43] And you could watch it at my theater

[01:36:45] And they would air them

[01:36:46] Samal cast them to my local theater

[01:36:49] That was the only way I got to experience theater

[01:36:52] Because otherwise I can't afford theater

[01:36:53] Like a hundred, sometimes

[01:36:55] A hundred and thirty dollars a ticket

[01:36:57] For one night is not to justify

[01:37:00] I'm jealous that you get to just

[01:37:02] Be like come to your seat sir

[01:37:04] Ooh musical

[01:37:07] That's a sweet gig

[01:37:08] Here sit here

[01:37:10] That's a pretty dancer

[01:37:12] I'm jealous I'm not going to lie

[01:37:14] That's a sweet gig

[01:37:17] There's a woman

[01:37:19] I'm going to

[01:37:20] Interview in a couple of weeks

[01:37:22] Hopefully

[01:37:22] Once we nail on the schedule

[01:37:25] And she's a teacher

[01:37:27] She teaches you about

[01:37:31] Musical theater stuff

[01:37:32] Really?

[01:37:34] How to book

[01:37:36] Bookshelves and stuff

[01:37:38] Cool

[01:37:39] When you say teach it

[01:37:42] She teaches in high school

[01:37:43] Or is it more college level

[01:37:46] I don't know

[01:37:48] Interesting

[01:37:49] When you talk to her

[01:37:51] Ask her that

[01:37:53] I've always wondered

[01:37:55] Or maybe you know

[01:37:58] What the difference is

[01:37:59] In staging

[01:38:02] Staging a musical

[01:38:04] Obviously I didn't take musical theater in high school

[01:38:06] But in terms of the actual product

[01:38:08] The musical itself

[01:38:09] Is there a difference between teaching

[01:38:12] This stuff to teenagers or kids versus adults

[01:38:14] Right

[01:38:16] She did the

[01:38:17] In a stage of the musical

[01:38:20] Actually

[01:38:20] The actual Broadway musical

[01:38:23] No kidding

[01:38:24] Can you ask her why they cut Dark of the Night

[01:38:27] I will

[01:38:29] She did the

[01:38:32] Soundtrack to that

[01:38:33] Did she actually

[01:38:34] I want to know why they cut Dark of the Night

[01:38:37] I couldn't

[01:38:40] Engage with that musical

[01:38:41] Because it upset me so much

[01:38:43] To my knowledge

[01:38:45] The musical still has

[01:38:47] Resputing in it

[01:38:48] I don't believe it has bar talk

[01:38:52] I'm almost entirely sure

[01:38:53] Resputing is still in that musical

[01:38:55] Correct me if I'm wrong

[01:38:57] He's in that musical

[01:38:58] He is right

[01:39:00] He's still a bad guy

[01:39:00] No

[01:39:01] He's like a healer

[01:39:04] And this is going to be

[01:39:08] A whole different podcast

[01:39:11] Yeah

[01:39:12] I'm familiar with them historically

[01:39:14] Historically he's a healer

[01:39:16] I know that in the movie

[01:39:18] The version of him in the movie

[01:39:19] Is not obviously

[01:39:21] So that version of him is not in the musical

[01:39:24] Then that version of him

[01:39:25] Is not in the musical but

[01:39:27] The healer version

[01:39:29] Of him

[01:39:30] Interesting

[01:39:32] They clearly cut

[01:39:35] They did half

[01:39:38] Half historic

[01:39:40] And half not

[01:39:41] Because of why they did it too

[01:39:43] Other than that

[01:39:44] I know that they do a journey to the past

[01:39:47] But other than that

[01:39:51] There's not many songs

[01:39:52] Once I heard

[01:39:54] The Dark of the Night was in it

[01:39:55] I kind of became less interested

[01:39:56] Of the songs from

[01:39:59] The movie are in there

[01:40:02] Except for

[01:40:02] The Dark of the Night

[01:40:07] But they created

[01:40:08] Songs to fill

[01:40:10] They always do that

[01:40:12] So is it more or less

[01:40:14] The plot of the movie

[01:40:15] But they just cut out the Rasputin subplot

[01:40:17] Yeah

[01:40:20] And the villain

[01:40:21] Of that story is named

[01:40:23] Kleb

[01:40:24] Who was one of the Russian soldiers

[01:40:27] That

[01:40:28] The family

[01:40:30] Interesting so it's more closer

[01:40:32] To being historically accurate than the movie

[01:40:36] Fascinating

[01:40:36] Interesting

[01:40:37] That's when I'd love to watch a pro shot of

[01:40:39] There's a lot of those based on a movie musicals

[01:40:42] Where I'm like I'd love to see a pro shot of that

[01:40:45] Because that's where those ones are more interesting

[01:40:47] To me for this exact reason

[01:40:48] To know what's the difference

[01:40:50] How do they change it

[01:40:51] For the Shrek musical for example

[01:40:54] That musical is way more introspective

[01:40:57] Than the movie is

[01:40:57] The whole storyline is basically

[01:41:02] Kleb's father

[01:41:03] When

[01:41:04] Like when Kleb was

[01:41:06] A young boy his father

[01:41:08] Was the one that killed

[01:41:10] The Romanov family

[01:41:14] And then there was

[01:41:17] A rumor that

[01:41:18] Anastasia was still alive

[01:41:19] So when

[01:41:23] Kleb was older

[01:41:25] And

[01:41:28] When

[01:41:28] Kleb was older and everything

[01:41:30] He set out to

[01:41:31] To finish what his father could

[01:41:35] Oh

[01:41:37] Okay, okay so there's still the like

[01:41:38] There's a bad guy chasing her thing

[01:41:40] But he's not magic in this one

[01:41:42] Yeah, yeah

[01:41:44] How interesting, I mean

[01:41:45] His magic is the gun

[01:41:47] Not, I mean not obviously

[01:41:49] I prefer the magic stuff but

[01:41:52] Okay that makes, but you could still

[01:41:54] Totally do

[01:41:54] Yeah I guess maybe not you can't do that

[01:41:57] But you could rewrite, what I would do at that point

[01:42:00] Is I would rewrite the In the Dark of the Night

[01:42:02] To reflect that character more

[01:42:03] And make it a smaller song

[01:42:04] Kleb's magic is the

[01:42:07] The pistol, yeah

[01:42:11] Yeah, yeah, that's so interesting

[01:42:13] Because I mean when we talked about

[01:42:15] We watched the

[01:42:17] I don't love change for the sake of change

[01:42:19] And so we talked about

[01:42:21] Oh yeah you were on the episode where

[01:42:22] I think we talked about Prince of Egypt pro-shot

[01:42:25] And bothered us how they changed like

[01:42:26] The one song that everyone knows

[01:42:28] And so this one I'm like oh but like

[01:42:30] In the dark of the night other than a journey to the past

[01:42:32] And a walk in December or like

[01:42:34] You know it's like the one song people know from that

[01:42:36] And musical why would you cut it

[01:42:38] But to make it more historically

[01:42:39] So then that's still set to the backdrop

[01:42:42] Of like they're trying to pass her off

[01:42:44] As like fake

[01:42:45] Anastasia but she's actually real Anastasia

[01:42:48] That stuff's still all in there, that's incredible

[01:42:49] That's so interesting

[01:42:50] That honestly does as much as I love the movie

[01:42:54] Does make that story kind of

[01:42:56] Better

[01:42:56] It does fix the dignification of that

[01:42:59] Story

[01:43:00] And then for all of you guys

[01:43:05] That are listening and watching too

[01:43:07] I did a

[01:43:09] Episode like

[01:43:10] Last year

[01:43:12] With Justin

[01:43:15] Where we talked about

[01:43:16] My fair lady where we talked about

[01:43:19] About the sort of stuff too

[01:43:21] So if you want to go check out

[01:43:22] I'll leave the link down below

[01:43:26] But yeah, James Earl Jones

[01:43:30] Yeah I mean

[01:43:31] It always diverts

[01:43:33] To Broadway guy right

[01:43:34] He diverts to Broadway

[01:43:38] And I don't like

[01:43:39] To reduce him to like three or like

[01:43:41] Two roles, he did a ton of stuff

[01:43:43] And he was like yeah he was a larger than life

[01:43:46] Personality

[01:43:46] He was a big larger than life guy

[01:43:49] And it's sad

[01:43:51] To see him go but you know

[01:43:53] Born in 19, like in the 1930s

[01:43:57] Yeah the fact that

[01:43:58] You know I will say

[01:44:00] I did learn some stuff today

[01:44:01] About James Earl Jones like I

[01:44:03] Did not know he was in the Korean War

[01:44:05] That was a thing I learned today

[01:44:06] Very genuinely, very sincerely

[01:44:09] His theater career is impressive

[01:44:12] Yeah

[01:44:14] Like even more so than a show

[01:44:16] Yeah I mean we didn't talk so much about his movies

[01:44:18] Because I sort of realized as I was looking through them

[01:44:20] I'm like I'm aware of these movies

[01:44:22] But I've never actually seen them

[01:44:23] I didn't do that he was in the stand lot

[01:44:26] That I didn't know

[01:44:27] I think that's funny you say that

[01:44:29] Because Jordan I think he watched the stand lot

[01:44:32] No not the stand lot

[01:44:34] What's the one where it's Billy Bob Thornton

[01:44:36] Billy Bob Thornton, not Billy Bob Thornton

[01:44:38] The one where he like

[01:44:39] It's like the guy is like yeah maybe it's the stand lot

[01:44:41] I think he watched the stand lot for the show

[01:44:42] It's funny that he didn't mention that James Earl Jones was in it

[01:44:45] Yeah no yeah

[01:44:47] I find nowadays

[01:44:49] My big thing is that

[01:44:50] There's no James Earl Jones really

[01:44:53] In this like current era

[01:44:55] There's never going to be

[01:44:57] We're kind of losing the like

[01:44:59] Big like

[01:45:00] At least in my opinion like the big

[01:45:02] I mean maybe there's somebody

[01:45:04] Me and Jake always do

[01:45:06] Maybe somebody in the comments correct me

[01:45:07] Jake will probably correct me

[01:45:08] But I just don't think there's any contemporary

[01:45:12] Actor

[01:45:13] Who was on any of the level of these guys

[01:45:16] Who were like in their 70s

[01:45:17] Like Robert De Niro, Morgan Freeman

[01:45:19] Your James Earl Joneses

[01:45:21] Right now there's anyone like them

[01:45:23] That's my age anyway

[01:45:25] There's not

[01:45:26] And we're losing them fast

[01:45:28] Like flies here

[01:45:30] I mean I guess they're still kind

[01:45:32] We're kind of seeing the transition

[01:45:34] The transformation of some of the sillier guys

[01:45:37] Into serious guys

[01:45:38] So like you got your Adam Sandlers

[01:45:42] Who are like they've transitioned

[01:45:43] Into being these more dramatic kind of guys

[01:45:45] And I think maybe that's where

[01:45:47] Like we'll see the next generation

[01:45:49] Or next set of those kind of

[01:45:51] James Earl Jones pop up of those guys

[01:45:53] We didn't take seriously in like the 90s

[01:45:55] Maybe they're finally starting to come into that

[01:45:56] We're going to take them seriously

[01:45:58] But Justin I'm scared

[01:46:00] I'm really scared though because

[01:46:02] Now that James Earl Jones is dead

[01:46:04] Like I don't

[01:46:06] That being said, Dick Van Dyke is probably next

[01:46:10] Yeah, oh yeah

[01:46:10] He's still around anyway

[01:46:13] He's like 98

[01:46:14] He won an Emmy recently

[01:46:16] Yeah he's 98 almost 99

[01:46:18] He's one of those guys

[01:46:21] Who every time I see

[01:46:23] He's still alive

[01:46:24] I'm genuinely surprised

[01:46:25] He works out every single day

[01:46:29] He says

[01:46:29] And Mary Poppins

[01:46:31] The new one

[01:46:33] He met Walt Disney

[01:46:36] Oh yeah, he very much

[01:46:38] He was in Mary Poppins

[01:46:41] Yeah

[01:46:42] I don't think he was quite as involved

[01:46:44] With saving Mr. Banks

[01:46:45] Kind of makes it seem but

[01:46:46] He was pretty involved in the making of that movie

[01:46:49] Because that was still when he was very much in control

[01:46:53] So yeah, I can't lose him

[01:46:55] I can't lose him

[01:46:56] For me, his brother Jerry Van Dyke is also a

[01:46:59] Like a treasure

[01:46:59] He rest hit

[01:47:02] May he rest in peace

[01:47:03] Did Jerry Van Dyke die? I didn't know he died

[01:47:06] Did Dick Van Dyke outlive Jerry Van Dyke? Wow

[01:47:09] Yeah I watched Jerry Van Dyke on a show called

[01:47:11] I believe was

[01:47:14] Who's older than you think?

[01:47:16] Well I mean

[01:47:17] At this point I'm just for Dick Van Dyke

[01:47:18] But no

[01:47:21] I honestly

[01:47:22] I don't know

[01:47:23] I think Jerry Van Dyke is younger

[01:47:26] That's so weird

[01:47:27] If Dick Van Dyke is

[01:47:29] Older then how is he still alive?

[01:47:33] I think

[01:47:34] I could be wrong but I seem to recall

[01:47:35] Because for the longest time

[01:47:37] I thought Jerry Van Dyke was Dick Van Dyke

[01:47:39] For like years and then I discovered

[01:47:41] Because they look

[01:47:44] Very similar, like it was remarkable

[01:47:46] And I can't remember what the show was

[01:47:47] It was either Teen Angel or You Wish

[01:47:50] He liked the grandpa on one of those shows

[01:47:52] And I love that show as a kid

[01:47:54] So like I've seen him in a bunch of stuff

[01:47:56] And yeah I thought I literally thought it was

[01:47:58] When I watched

[01:48:01] Night at the museum I thought that was Jerry Van Dyke

[01:48:04] And then I discovered it was Dick Van Dyke

[01:48:05] And I was like oh it's Dick Van Dyke and it blew my mind

[01:48:07] How did you not realize that was Dick Van Dyke?

[01:48:10] I thought they looked so similar

[01:48:12] And my childhood memory just kind of blended them together

[01:48:14] And Dick Van Dyke and my brain doesn't do

[01:48:17] Like

[01:48:19] To me when a person is like

[01:48:20] Young version of that person

[01:48:22] And they're older, they're just

[01:48:23] Like Henry Winkler

[01:48:24] When you watch Happy Days you're like

[01:48:27] The Fonz is not the grandpa from Hulls

[01:48:29] They're just two different people

[01:48:30] Can I also ask

[01:48:33] How is the Fonz still alive?

[01:48:35] Henry Winkler there's a really upsetting

[01:48:37] Video of some guy getting in his way

[01:48:39] He got caught in one of those

[01:48:41] First amendment audit videos

[01:48:43] And it was so annoying

[01:48:45] And I was like oh man he just looks like he's upset

[01:48:47] How is the Fonz still Fonzying?

[01:48:50] He's not

[01:48:51] I would say he hasn't Fonzed in years

[01:48:53] He's more like a grandpa now

[01:48:55] All my favorite Henry Winkler performances

[01:48:58] Are like old age Henry Winkler

[01:48:59] Like Hulls

[01:49:01] I weep every time I watch

[01:49:03] Click

[01:49:05] Yeah

[01:49:08] He's

[01:49:09] Apparently he's quite good if you watch

[01:49:11] Barry

[01:49:11] But he's another one of those ones where I'm always surprised to find out he's still around

[01:49:15] Like oh man he's

[01:49:16] Him and Dick Van Dyke

[01:49:18] Every day I see Dick

[01:49:19] Like somebody asked him that

[01:49:23] And like

[01:49:25] He literally

[01:49:26] Still working it's crazy

[01:49:27] Yeah like someone asked him

[01:49:30] Like how are you

[01:49:32] Still like so

[01:49:34] Full of energy and all this stuff

[01:49:36] And he was literally like

[01:49:38] I work out every single day on the treadmill

[01:49:40] I go running on the treadmill

[01:49:43] Every single day

[01:49:44] Being active makes a big difference

[01:49:46] Especially when you hit a certain

[01:49:47] Like 50s like that

[01:49:50] Even walking as much

[01:49:52] If you can walk as much as you can

[01:49:53] That will help you tremendously later in life

[01:49:56] Because it keeps your joints and stuff

[01:49:58] And like don't be overly abusive to your body

[01:50:00] But yeah he's

[01:50:02] I think

[01:50:03] He recently won that Emmy

[01:50:05] Like it wasn't even like I think it was this year he won that Emmy

[01:50:08] Yeah it was

[01:50:09] I'm pretty convinced he's just gonna die on a set

[01:50:12] Like working

[01:50:13] Like that's

[01:50:16] I'd knock on wood

[01:50:18] Knock on wood like he's

[01:50:19] It's not gonna be like a peacefully in his home kind of

[01:50:21] It's gonna be like

[01:50:22] And bless it

[01:50:25] It'll be one of those things where like

[01:50:26] You'll read it and you'll be like yeah that makes sense

[01:50:29] Like yeah it was about time

[01:50:30] It was about to happen sooner or later

[01:50:34] Yeah he will be one

[01:50:35] He will be one that'll be like a

[01:50:36] A real loss

[01:50:38] He's that old guy who could just be an old

[01:50:41] Guy in movies and that's

[01:50:43] We go with Angela Lansbury

[01:50:44] That hit me, that really hit me

[01:50:46] Angela Lansbury she reminds me

[01:50:48] She reminds me a great deal of my grandmother

[01:50:51] Like she looks like my grandmother

[01:50:53] Well looked like when she was older

[01:50:55] She looked like my grandmother

[01:50:56] Especially when she did Beauty and the Beast

[01:50:58] She looked just like my grandma

[01:50:59] It was kind of incredible

[01:51:02] And she like just was like my grandma

[01:51:04] Like Mrs. Pot is my grandma

[01:51:05] Like legit

[01:51:07] The only celebrity debt that I cried over

[01:51:11] Legitimately was Robin Williams

[01:51:13] Me too

[01:51:15] I teared up yesterday

[01:51:17] But I didn't like full on like cry

[01:51:19] Cry

[01:51:20] Yeah well no no when it comes to elderly people

[01:51:23] I

[01:51:23] I always feel so cold when I say this

[01:51:26] I don't necessarily get sad

[01:51:28] When they die because again

[01:51:30] He was 94

[01:51:31] Clock was kind of ticking

[01:51:33] Makes me sound like a dick

[01:51:35] I'm sorry James Earl Jones for saying that

[01:51:38] But I'm sorry

[01:51:39] I'm sorry you were a very old man

[01:51:41] James Earl Jones

[01:51:44] No I'm apologizing

[01:51:46] Because I said I didn't really cry

[01:51:48] I didn't really cry

[01:51:50] I'm sorry

[01:51:50] I don't usually cry over celebrity debt

[01:51:53] Unless I'm very attached

[01:51:56] Or it's very sad

[01:51:58] Well all of my Disney

[01:52:00] Childhood

[01:52:02] People are slowly

[01:52:04] Dying

[01:52:05] And leaving Earth

[01:52:07] I always bummed out when Mickey died

[01:52:10] When Mickey died I was bummed out

[01:52:13] I'll make the Mickey the voice

[01:52:15] The voice you probably know

[01:52:17] As Mickey

[01:52:17] Mickey Mouse was obviously played famously by Walt Disney

[01:52:20] For a very very long time

[01:52:22] And then when Walt Disney died

[01:52:24] I don't know if it was immediately

[01:52:26] At some point in the you know

[01:52:27] Walt Disney died in like the 80s

[01:52:29] Yeah no it was pretty immediately

[01:52:30] A voice actor called Wayne All-Wine

[01:52:33] Walt Disney died in 66

[01:52:35] No no I've got my timeline mixed up

[01:52:37] It might not be that long

[01:52:38] At some point in the 80s or 90s

[01:52:40] A voice actor by the name of Wayne All-Wine

[01:52:43] He took the voice of Mickey Mouse

[01:52:45] And he played it for most of our childhood

[01:52:48] So like we're in the same age right?

[01:52:50] So like most of our

[01:52:52] Our childhood you would know

[01:52:53] Mickey Mouse is Wayne All-Wine

[01:52:55] He died in

[01:52:57] I can't remember what year

[01:52:59] And the cute thing about him

[01:53:02] Is he was married to

[01:53:04] I forget her name

[01:53:06] Minnie not Minnie

[01:53:07] I can't remember what her name is

[01:53:08] But the lady who played Minnie

[01:53:10] Minnie Mouse for years they were married

[01:53:12] So like in real life Mickey and Minnie

[01:53:14] Mouse were married

[01:53:17] Yeah I know that

[01:53:18] She also played

[01:53:21] Huey Dewey and Louie and Duckie

[01:53:22] It was cute and adorable

[01:53:25] It's so cute and adorable

[01:53:26] But he died in like 2010 I want to say

[01:53:28] And I was really sad about that

[01:53:30] Because that was Mickey to me

[01:53:32] That's my Mickey

[01:53:34] And the guy who took over

[01:53:36] He just never has sounded quite right

[01:53:38] He just sounds off

[01:53:39] It's like if you're familiar with Bill Farmer

[01:53:41] Bill Farmer is my goofy

[01:53:44] I got very sad when Ursula died

[01:53:47] Oh yeah that one was sad

[01:53:50] She reminds me of my other grandma

[01:53:54] Can't remember her name

[01:53:55] Pat Carroll

[01:53:56] Pat Carroll

[01:53:58] Pat Carroll she was a genuine icon

[01:54:01] She was doing convention appearances

[01:54:05] Right on and she still

[01:54:06] Was like bear

[01:54:07] She was present

[01:54:09] She was so there

[01:54:10] And she loved being Ursula

[01:54:12] And she would just kind of like

[01:54:13] Ken Page and Uggie Boogie

[01:54:15] Just those guys who will be

[01:54:17] Or James Woods and Hades

[01:54:19] Who will just be the character

[01:54:21] At any point they're like you want me to be Hades?

[01:54:23] I'll be Hades

[01:54:23] I like Hades enough that I'm willing to look past the fact that I don't like James Woods

[01:54:28] That's how much I like that character

[01:54:31] But like there's a certain

[01:54:32] And yeah she was very much

[01:54:33] Like she loved Ursula so much

[01:54:36] That was sad

[01:54:37] That was a sad one

[01:54:39] Yeah man when you lose that critical voice

[01:54:44] To tie it all back to James Earl Jones

[01:54:46] There is a part of you

[01:54:48] Yeah when you lose

[01:54:49] But I think when they get old

[01:54:51] There's a point where they retire

[01:54:53] And you lose that anyway

[01:54:55] Like they're still around in spirit

[01:54:57] But they're not like James Earl Jones retired

[01:54:59] I think a couple years ago

[01:55:01] Like I don't think he's been working for a while

[01:55:03] Because I know that he

[01:55:04] I know he keeps talking about A.I. Darth Vader

[01:55:06] But he signed away the rights to

[01:55:08] He agreed to let them use A.I. Darth Vader

[01:55:11] That he like retired

[01:55:13] Like from like well he retired

[01:55:15] From theater in like

[01:55:17] 2015 and then he

[01:55:19] Oh really that recently

[01:55:20] I didn't know that

[01:55:21] Yeah and then he retired from

[01:55:24] I think he retired

[01:55:28] Retired from acting in like

[01:55:31] 20 something I can't remember

[01:55:33] I will probably on screen stuff

[01:55:35] Which is why it was why it's filmography

[01:55:37] Just kind of turns into cameos towards

[01:55:38] And then he probably did the

[01:55:40] Voice acting is not to discredit

[01:55:42] The people who do it

[01:55:44] Easy in a sense because

[01:55:48] Easy

[01:55:49] I mean it's still creating a character

[01:55:50] In acting but it's easy in a sense

[01:55:52] Because you don't have to memorize lines

[01:55:55] You just read from a script

[01:55:56] And you do all your acting and I actually

[01:55:58] My dream job is to be a voice actor

[01:56:00] Because like you don't have to

[01:56:02] Memorize lines you can do like

[01:56:03] I perform my best at table reads because that's when I

[01:56:06] I know you don't have to memorize

[01:56:08] Anything so just make it easier to engage

[01:56:10] With the character and you

[01:56:12] As of today don't have

[01:56:14] To leave your home you can just set up a little

[01:56:16] In like apartment

[01:56:18] Studio where you do voice acting

[01:56:20] Most voice actors do it on the go or

[01:56:22] They'll bring you to

[01:56:24] They'll bring you to a studio and you do it

[01:56:25] I know of some voice actors that do it in their closet

[01:56:28] They like walk in closet

[01:56:30] They go in and they shut the door

[01:56:32] And then there's like padding on the walls

[01:56:34] Yeah

[01:56:36] Exactly yeah so you can do it just about anywhere

[01:56:38] So that's why a lot of voice actors

[01:56:40] Will do it like right up until

[01:56:42] Orson Welles famously died as he was

[01:56:44] Doing Transformers

[01:56:45] Because it's not

[01:56:47] In terms of acting it requires

[01:56:49] Less of

[01:56:50] I don't know if that feels like a disservice to what voice actors do

[01:56:54] Because voice acting is still

[01:56:56] In and of itself difficult but

[01:56:57] It's not quite the same as standing on a set

[01:57:00] Having to memorize lines at least in my experience

[01:57:03] Maybe I'm off

[01:57:04] Maybe I'm off the beat on that but

[01:57:05] Now that James Earl Jones is no longer with us

[01:57:10] I feel bad for never having

[01:57:12] Just having all of Star Wars

[01:57:16] You've still never seen Star Wars?

[01:57:17] Ah I am and that's one of those things where you

[01:57:19] Experiencing it as an adult

[01:57:20] I've seen one I've seen half and I just can't get into it

[01:57:23] Fair enough

[01:57:24] It's one of those things where for me

[01:57:26] Is a certain franchise that you just can't get into

[01:57:28] As an adult

[01:57:29] And I'm sad because I love

[01:57:33] James Earl Jones and I'm gonna cry

[01:57:35] But I am so sad now

[01:57:37] Because I feel like

[01:57:39] I offended him

[01:57:40] No I mean

[01:57:42] Well you

[01:57:44] Appreciate the work that most most

[01:57:46] Performers or actors just enjoy

[01:57:48] That you enjoyed any of their work

[01:57:50] Like that's really the goal

[01:57:52] Yeah I mean

[01:57:53] Yeah I love Darth Vader

[01:57:55] But my favorite moments with James Earl Jones

[01:57:57] Especially later in his life

[01:57:59] Was when he just was James Earl Jones

[01:58:01] And he showed up and the whole bit is that he's James Earl Jones

[01:58:04] Those are my favorite episodes

[01:58:05] Those are my favorite cameos

[01:58:06] Michael Clark Duncan so I've been struggling

[01:58:09] All episode and there's one more

[01:58:11] In that Michael Clark Duncan

[01:58:14] RIP Michael Clark Duncan

[01:58:16] He was one of those

[01:58:18] Like he was one I always confused

[01:58:19] Him and James Earl Jones

[01:58:22] Um

[01:58:23] Michael Clark Duncan

[01:58:25] What do you know Michael Clark Duncan as?

[01:58:27] Did he do anything Disney? The only thing I could think

[01:58:29] That you would know him as if you've seen the

[01:58:31] Then-athlete Daredevil movies, Kingpin

[01:58:34] Um

[01:58:35] He did a bunch of stuff but he's one of those

[01:58:37] Ones where I always recognize him

[01:58:40] Instantly and he's a voice of my childhood

[01:58:41] As well where I like

[01:58:44] I'm struggling to think of Michael Clark

[01:58:45] Duncan stuff at the moment but yeah

[01:58:47] Yeah and I was sad I was genuinely sad

[01:58:49] When he passed away

[01:58:51] Yeah because I thought you do lose

[01:58:53] A bit of yourself and look

[01:58:54] Just because they're gone doesn't mean you don't

[01:58:57] You can't like you appreciate

[01:58:58] You definitely appreciate him while he's alive but yeah

[01:59:00] When they pass away it does give you

[01:59:02] It does sort of make you want to go back and like

[01:59:04] Appreciate that filmography more

[01:59:07] Um and it definitely

[01:59:08] Definitely has for certain ones who have passed away

[01:59:11] When you see them show up in a

[01:59:13] In a movie and you're like damn

[01:59:15] Like yeah man the world is really missing something

[01:59:17] For them having been gone

[01:59:19] And you know the way I look at it is

[01:59:22] You know I owe James Earl Jones

[01:59:25] And like all the other Disney

[01:59:28] Actors that

[01:59:29] That passed away

[01:59:30] Like I owe them to me

[01:59:32] Becoming a Disney

[01:59:35] Adult and the

[01:59:36] Disney and Broadway

[01:59:37] Podcast where I am today

[01:59:39] I mean yeah that's that

[01:59:40] Fair enough I'm of a similar mindset

[01:59:43] Where my love of animation

[01:59:45] As an art form

[01:59:47] Is not something meant exclusively

[01:59:49] For children that is a

[01:59:51] Freedom form of expression comes from

[01:59:53] Disney it's born from Disney

[01:59:55] My love of storytelling

[01:59:57] Is from Disney

[01:59:58] So yeah I owe a lot

[02:00:01] To that um so yeah and he's part

[02:00:03] Of my love of science fiction

[02:00:05] Fantasy films come from

[02:00:07] Star Wars so like yeah he's a

[02:00:08] Great part of my of my childhood

[02:00:10] It's it's that is an undeniable

[02:00:12] Fact um yeah

[02:00:15] Yeah it's always

[02:00:16] Yeah you do I say you do lose something

[02:00:18] You lose you lose them

[02:00:20] I mean I don't have this tattoo for

[02:00:22] Like no parents you know

[02:00:24] Fair enough yeah fair enough

[02:00:26] Yeah I don't like identifying myself as a Disney

[02:00:28] Adult because I

[02:00:30] To me Disney adults are

[02:00:32] A particular kind of breed

[02:00:34] Of too far um

[02:00:36] Um and I wouldn't I wouldn't

[02:00:38] I wouldn't necessarily characterize you

[02:00:40] No no I don't I mean

[02:00:42] Hey if you self characterize as a Disney adult

[02:00:44] All the power to you but like

[02:00:46] There I've seen some real bad Disney adult

[02:00:48] Arc videos on tick talk

[02:00:50] Where I'm like yeah I don't

[02:00:52] I don't like that

[02:00:54] Don't love that um

[02:00:56] Where it's like yeah you're taking it too far

[02:00:58] Over familiarity with

[02:01:00] With characters is like

[02:01:02] A thing where I'm like ah I don't

[02:01:04] Love that um

[02:01:07] But

[02:01:09] Hey um not

[02:01:10] For me to judge but

[02:01:12] Yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't character

[02:01:14] I wouldn't characterize myself as one of them

[02:01:16] I appreciate them appreciate them

[02:01:18] As like uh studio

[02:01:20] I appreciate their movies and their media but

[02:01:22] Mickey gave me this tattoo

[02:01:25] I

[02:01:26] Like Mickey the cartoon character like

[02:01:28] Mickey the person in the costume with

[02:01:30] The big gloves because I I've been

[02:01:32] You imagine it could you imagine

[02:01:34] If like there's a guy in the

[02:01:36] Mickey costume

[02:01:37] Pretty much doing it blind they can like

[02:01:40] Barely see uh

[02:01:42] And then they can't move their hands very well

[02:01:44] I I think we've been

[02:01:46] We've been a lot of I trust the guy I mean

[02:01:48] In the sense that the cartoon is not real but

[02:01:50] In this imaginary situation where the cartoon

[02:01:52] Is like alive and like physical like

[02:01:54] It's like a huge range Roger Rabbit situation

[02:01:56] Yeah I trust the cartoon more than

[02:01:58] I trust the person in the mascot costume that's for sure

[02:02:01] I feel like I feel like

[02:02:02] Like Mickey would have taken the time to learn how

[02:02:04] To do it properly like he

[02:02:06] He's like my favorite my favorite Mickey mouse

[02:02:09] Books from when I was a kid or the ones where

[02:02:10] It was like Mickey learns how to do a thing

[02:02:12] And like he just seemed like a responsible

[02:02:14] Addle like he just you know

[02:02:16] He takes the time to learn how to do it

[02:02:18] My my favorite though

[02:02:20] Though just again real quick

[02:02:22] The most adult Disney character

[02:02:24] Is Goofy

[02:02:26] Goofy he's the most well put together of the

[02:02:28] Disney character have you seen those like

[02:02:30] Those like mini shorts of

[02:02:32] Like okay okay learn how to do stuff

[02:02:34] He's a little clumsy I'll give you

[02:02:36] But if you've ever seen

[02:02:38] An extremely Goofy movie

[02:02:40] He quits his job

[02:02:42] And he goes back to school

[02:02:44] He's getting straight A's

[02:02:46] He has a girlfriend that he's managing

[02:02:48] To see full time while

[02:02:50] While getting straight A's

[02:02:52] And the relationship goes well

[02:02:54] And the point of drama in the movie

[02:02:56] Is never the relationship like there's

[02:02:58] Never a point in the movie where you think

[02:03:00] They're going to break up the point of the

[02:03:01] The point of attention to the movies between him and Max

[02:03:04] He's otherwise nailing

[02:03:06] Adulthood like he's the most capable

[02:03:08] He's raised a perfectly respectable son

[02:03:11] On his own as a single dad

[02:03:12] Also me and Jordan have a theory he banged

[02:03:14] He banged Pete's wife I came in

[02:03:16] Pete's wife that Max is maybe her kid

[02:03:19] But she's the mom we have that

[02:03:20] Theory because there's

[02:03:22] Number one have you seen you've watched

[02:03:24] Goof Troop right it was a real

[02:03:26] Weird tangent have you ever seen

[02:03:28] Goof Troop okay

[02:03:30] Okay in the opening episode

[02:03:32] Of Goof Troop the reason

[02:03:33] Goofy and Max are living on their own

[02:03:36] In like a trailer and the

[02:03:38] Reason why they move in next to Pete's

[02:03:40] Family is because

[02:03:43] Goofy used to be

[02:03:44] Goofy and Pete's wife

[02:03:46] Knew each other in high school

[02:03:49] And

[02:03:50] Goofy used to be on

[02:03:52] The cheerleading squad

[02:03:53] And as a guy

[02:03:55] You only joined the cheerleading squad

[02:03:57] For one reason and so we're

[02:03:59] Pretty sure that him and Pete's wife

[02:04:01] Hooked up once it's like we were convinced

[02:04:03] Of it we watched the first episode

[02:04:04] Like she like invites them to stay on their

[02:04:07] Couch before they move in next door

[02:04:09] Like she's really nice to him

[02:04:11] Where Max isn't

[02:04:13] Isn't her like isn't her her kid

[02:04:15] We're definitely sure that they

[02:04:17] Work together at one point like they if

[02:04:19] You want to be family friendly about it dated

[02:04:21] In high school we're like entirely

[02:04:23] Positive that that's the

[02:04:25] Backstory you look at me like

[02:04:29] I'm crazy I'm not crazy I will

[02:04:31] Get joined to back me up on Saturday

[02:04:33] It's a legit theory if you watch that show

[02:04:35] I'm not crazy

[02:04:37] So

[02:04:39] So James are all joked

[02:04:42] Yeah

[02:04:42] Bill Farmer speaking of Goofy

[02:04:45] Bill Farmer will be one

[02:04:46] That when he eventually

[02:04:48] Retires and stops doing Goofy

[02:04:51] We will lose something

[02:04:52] That man has been the voice of Goofy

[02:04:54] Since like the 80s

[02:04:56] He took over for like the original Goofy Pinto

[02:04:58] Kovig

[02:05:00] He is Goofy like if you if you've ever

[02:05:02] Heard Goofy speak in the past like 20 30

[02:05:04] Years he's Goofy

[02:05:06] Have you seen that I'll have to send

[02:05:08] To you but there's a video on

[02:05:10] Tiktok of

[02:05:14] Of cordon blue and Bill

[02:05:16] Farmer singing

[02:05:17] Yes it's amazing I've seen it that concert

[02:05:19] Yes it's amazing I've seen it

[02:05:20] It's so good

[02:05:22] From the Goofy movie I'm like oh my god

[02:05:24] I love Goofy

[02:05:27] Goofy is not my favorite Disney character

[02:05:28] That will always be Mickey

[02:05:29] But I went on a Disney cruise like long time ago

[02:05:33] And the day before your cruise

[02:05:34] Goofy phones you

[02:05:36] And me and my brother were genuinely excited

[02:05:39] Like it was just a little voice recording

[02:05:41] He was like wishing you bomb boy eyes

[02:05:43] And we were like this is rad

[02:05:44] Goofy is calling me

[02:05:46] My mom she's a travel agent

[02:05:48] She booked it for us

[02:05:50] And she was like yeah just so

[02:05:52] You know Goofy is going to call you the day before

[02:05:54] And just the way she's like Goofy is going to call me

[02:05:56] And so we were driving to the airport

[02:05:58] We put it on speaker real like Goofy is calling me

[02:06:00] And we're so excited

[02:06:02] Like yeah I love Goofy

[02:06:03] I mean I love him I love Donald too

[02:06:05] Tony Ansamo he is the current voice

[02:06:08] Of Donald and he

[02:06:10] He only seems to do it part time

[02:06:12] Right now because there's another guy who also does

[02:06:14] Donald who isn't nearly as good

[02:06:15] And yeah man

[02:06:17] When those guys retire

[02:06:19] Similar feelings about the Simpsons

[02:06:21] But when any of those guys retire

[02:06:23] And they pass it on there's always a sense of like

[02:06:25] Brett Iwin

[02:06:28] Is the current voice of Mickey

[02:06:29] And he's okay

[02:06:31] He's gotten better over the years

[02:06:33] He's gotten way closer to Walt's

[02:06:35] Mickey but

[02:06:36] When he first took over it was always just like

[02:06:39] Oh there's just something not right

[02:06:41] About how he sounds to me because he's just not my Mickey

[02:06:43] So yeah

[02:06:45] Whoever does Darth Vader next

[02:06:47] I'm just hoping not just AI

[02:06:48] But if they had to get a voice actor

[02:06:50] It'll be the same thing for me

[02:06:52] Or if they ever do Mufasa again

[02:06:55] And they recast and they try to get a voice match

[02:06:57] It's going to be like that's not

[02:06:59] White James Earl Jones

[02:07:00] They better not

[02:07:02] They better just leave Lion King the fuck alone

[02:07:05] I am like

[02:07:07] I am like

[02:07:08] Bro retire character

[02:07:09] But it's Disney

[02:07:12] We're on like the third

[02:07:14] Remake of Snow White

[02:07:17] We're doing a live action

[02:07:18] Lilo and Stitch

[02:07:19] That's redundant that movie was already practically live

[02:07:21] I'm excited for it

[02:07:23] I'm excited he looks adorable

[02:07:26] I was happy he looked good

[02:07:28] I will give you that

[02:07:29] I saw so many bad

[02:07:32] AI concept art

[02:07:34] That was like this is upsetting me

[02:07:35] That I was just and

[02:07:36] And the fact that it's the original voice

[02:07:39] Does a lot

[02:07:40] The fact that they didn't try to recast Stitch

[02:07:43] The fact that it's still the same guy speaking your voice

[02:07:46] Does a lot

[02:07:47] But anyway

[02:07:48] I could try to go Disney all day

[02:07:51] But anyway

[02:07:52] Game of Thrones Jones

[02:07:56] Game of Thrones Jones

[02:07:57] You know you will be missed

[02:08:02] So

[02:08:03] Before we wrap up

[02:08:04] Is this going to go up before Saturday?

[02:08:06] Yeah

[02:08:07] So

[02:08:09] If you want to see more of me

[02:08:11] I do a little podcast called the spur of the moment

[02:08:14] Podcast on Saturday

[02:08:16] This week

[02:08:17] Usually where we go around 11

[02:08:20] Wait

[02:08:21] Because

[02:08:24] Instead of because next week

[02:08:25] I will be

[02:08:28] Because I do every other week

[02:08:29] So go

[02:08:31] Well

[02:08:33] If this so happens

[02:08:34] This is in the future

[02:08:36] Go back and watch the episode

[02:08:38] I did with Hailey

[02:08:41] Hailey and Jake

[02:08:42] Our friend Jake who we've talked a lot of smack

[02:08:44] This episode about Jake

[02:08:45] But our friend Jake is going to be there as well

[02:08:48] Hopefully Hailey

[02:08:49] Will have watched at least

[02:08:51] Maybe the Prince of Egypt because it's a musical

[02:08:53] Or Jordan also

[02:08:55] He said the Rotel Dorado

[02:08:57] But if you have a

[02:08:59] Oh excellent perfect

[02:09:03] You're going to watch some

[02:09:04] Hopefully watch some DreamWorks movies

[02:09:05] Because we're doing animation that is not Disney

[02:09:08] Or we did

[02:09:09] If you're watching this in the future

[02:09:11] Animation that is not Disney

[02:09:13] I'm going to do the like blue sky studios

[02:09:16] Which if you don't know that by name

[02:09:17] That's like the Ice Age movies

[02:09:18] I'm currently watching Rio

[02:09:21] It's that

[02:09:22] And then

[02:09:23] My co-host Jordan

[02:09:26] He's going to do like

[02:09:28] Paranormal

[02:09:28] A Kubo and the two strings

[02:09:30] And he's going to help you a little bit

[02:09:33] He watched as a sneak preview

[02:09:36] Or hinted the past

[02:09:37] He just yesterday watched Kung Fu Panda 4

[02:09:39] So he's going to talk about that for a bit

[02:09:42] And Jake is going to cover the works of

[02:09:44] Dawn Bluth

[02:09:44] So you can go over to the spur of the moment podcast

[02:09:48] And check that out

[02:09:50] I'm sure Haley's going to have a time to say about

[02:09:51] The Prince of Egypt

[02:09:53] Also and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention this

[02:09:55] Me and Jake also have our new podcast

[02:09:56] To the network, the final frontier

[02:09:58] Where we talk about Star Trek

[02:10:00] Which I'm sure Haley has no interest in

[02:10:02] So I won't talk any further on

[02:10:04] But if you like Star Trek

[02:10:05] And you want to see me make jokes about

[02:10:07] William Shatner

[02:10:09] It's a fun time

[02:10:10] That starts with the pilot

[02:10:13] Premiered on the 8th

[02:10:15] But the episode where we start making fun of William Shatner

[02:10:17] That's going to be next week

[02:10:18] So yeah, you can check that out

[02:10:19] I did all the plugs

[02:10:21] You can wrap up in any way you see fit

[02:10:25] Oh, that's speaking of

[02:10:29] Thank you

[02:10:30] For saying all this

[02:10:31] Because I just

[02:10:33] Completely forgot to do the sponsorship spot

[02:10:37] Excellent

[02:10:37] I love a good sponsorship spot

[02:10:40] This podcast is sponsored

[02:10:41] By the Spirited Moment podcast

[02:10:43] Oh, excellent

[02:10:44] I won't go on anymore

[02:10:48] It's what we just did

[02:10:50] Yeah, it's talking about movies

[02:10:52] I'm going to have some fun

[02:10:53] We do that

[02:10:55] We do a bit of the news

[02:10:57] Hopefully I'm going to bring some fun news stories

[02:10:59] If you're into Marvel

[02:11:01] We're going to be talking about

[02:11:02] Spider-Man on Saturday

[02:11:06] And

[02:11:06] We talked about earlier

[02:11:08] I want to talk about the Wicked Trailer

[02:11:10] That's a new story

[02:11:11] I'm definitely going to pull

[02:11:12] And as a hint

[02:11:15] Me and Jordan have a recurring segment

[02:11:17] We have a mystery story

[02:11:19] That I've been slowly revealing details about

[02:11:21] And I will have

[02:11:24] Revealed if this is in the future

[02:11:25] One of those details

[02:11:26] If you go and watch the episode I'm going to do with Hailey

[02:11:29] There's going to be one more detail

[02:11:31] I'm excited to reveal that

[02:11:32] If Jordan watches this

[02:11:34] He'll be like, what? One more detail

[02:11:36] But thank you

[02:11:37] We have fun

[02:11:44] Well

[02:11:46] Like I said before

[02:11:49] James Jerald Jones

[02:11:50] We miss you

[02:11:53] We're so sorry for your family's lost

[02:11:57] That is true, that's always hard

[02:11:59] I always feel for the family

[02:12:01] I'm sure they want their moment

[02:12:06] The Disney

[02:12:07] And Star Wars franchise

[02:12:09] Won't be the same without you

[02:12:10] The world is a little less

[02:12:12] Without his light in it, that's for sure

[02:12:14] That can not be

[02:12:16] Under said?

[02:12:17] Theater definitely won't be

[02:12:19] I mean, yeah

[02:12:21] Without you

[02:12:23] Today, I love that clip

[02:12:26] I mentioned it earlier but that clip from Fancy

[02:12:28] I'll send it to you because it's if I can

[02:12:30] Because it's really good

[02:12:31] The really good monologue

[02:12:33] And he really out

[02:12:34] Powerful stuff, he was a powerful

[02:12:36] I don't want to say underrated but just I don't think people

[02:12:39] Appreciated him in quite

[02:12:40] He was a bit more than Star Wars

[02:12:42] I guess to some

[02:12:44] To some mate

[02:12:46] Man was more than Darth Vader and Mufasa

[02:12:49] I keep seeing all these memes

[02:12:50] Where it's like him with

[02:12:53] Darth Vader and Mufasa

[02:12:55] And like yeah, he played those characters

[02:12:57] But to reduce him to that

[02:12:58] He was quite a bit more than that

[02:13:00] Yeah exactly, he was quite a bit more than that

[02:13:02] He did other animated voices as well

[02:13:04] Yes

[02:13:05] But no, he had a very prolific theater career

[02:13:07] That I think is underrepresented in his

[02:13:09] And talks about him and I'm glad we got to talk about that

[02:13:12] Glad we didn't waste our time talking about movies

[02:13:16] This is a Broadway podcast

[02:13:18] Gosh darn it

[02:13:23] Gotta keep it on theme

[02:13:26] Exactly

[02:13:28] Although I will say that we did

[02:13:32] Waste half of it

[02:13:33] Talking about musicals in general

[02:13:35] But you know what

[02:13:36] Hey, we stayed on theme

[02:13:37] That's the important bit

[02:13:39] We may have strayed off topic

[02:13:40] But I think we did talk about a couple of movies

[02:13:43] But we mostly talked about musical theater

[02:13:45] Because you're like my one friend

[02:13:47] Who is into musical theater

[02:13:49] I feel so bad

[02:13:51] I text my friends all this musical theater stuff

[02:13:54] And like bless their

[02:13:55] And poor Jordan

[02:13:56] Bless their hearts

[02:13:58] They pretend to care

[02:13:59] But like they don't

[02:14:01] This episode was about James Earl Jones

[02:14:04] We nailed him pretty accurately

[02:14:06] We talked about him thoroughly

[02:14:09] Everything was like tangentially related to him

[02:14:12] Yeah true

[02:14:14] Covered the world of voice acting

[02:14:16] He was a voice actor, we covered the world of theater

[02:14:18] He's in theater

[02:14:19] We didn't talk about movies so much

[02:14:21] But who cares

[02:14:23] But yep, we

[02:14:27] We

[02:14:27] Miss you dearly

[02:14:29] We will forever miss you

[02:14:31] And we feel for your family

[02:14:32] And we wish

[02:14:34] Wherever you are, you're at peace

[02:14:38] And

[02:14:39] With that being said

[02:14:40] I'm leaving you guys on a low note

[02:14:45] Please go check out

[02:14:47] The Spur of the Moment podcast

[02:14:48] I will leave the links down below

[02:14:51] And if you watched our episode together

[02:14:56] Comment down below on there

[02:14:59] Yeah that's cool

[02:15:00] Let us know in the comments

[02:15:03] Did this go up before Saturday

[02:15:04] Yeah

[02:15:06] Are you watching this in the future or the past

[02:15:08] And if so

[02:15:10] Tell me what happened

[02:15:12] I'm curious, what did I have to say about Ice Age

[02:15:15] I watched Ice Age

[02:15:16] Let me know, what did I have to say about Ice Age

[02:15:18] Yeah

[02:15:19] So with that being said, we are off

[02:15:22] And we will see you guys next time

[02:15:24] Bye guys