Do You Believe in Monsters? (ft. Eugene Lipinski)

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[00:01:00] Greetings Goosebumps fans, young and old, being in small welcome back to The Goosebumps

[00:01:07] Crew Podcast. As always I'm your host Isaiah Vargas, also known as The Goosebumps Channel

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[00:01:17] Crew Goosebumps Aussie fan Bjorn Pan with Shao and Nick Sha in the Ultimate Goosebumps

[00:01:21] Man, Michael Lilliclist. And we're back to talk some more Goosebumps. Of course we're

[00:01:25] back to talk some more Goosebumps. And we have a very special episode for you guys today.

[00:01:30] We're doing another episode retrospective on The Girl Who Cryed Monster, the fourth

[00:01:36] episode of season one and definitely one of the most iconic episodes. And of course

[00:01:42] as always when we do an episode discussion we've got to talk with someone who knows about

[00:01:46] the episode and that's why we have Eugene Mopincy here today, Mr. Mortman himself to talk

[00:01:52] with us about this episode. Eugene, welcome to The Goosebumps Crew and thank you very

[00:01:56] much for joining us. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. Absolutely. We're very

[00:02:01] excited to talk with you and we're going to talk of course The Girl Cryed Monster and

[00:02:06] the other episode that Eugene was a part of, Night of the Living Dummy 3 where he voiced

[00:02:10] Rocky the dummy. And we're going to get into those episodes but first before we begin

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[00:03:07] Alright, time to get down to The Nitty Gritty. We are going to talk The Girl Cryed Monster.

[00:03:12] Like we said this is episode 4 of season 1, one of the first episodes of the show. And

[00:03:18] of course we have Eugene here, Mr. Mortman himself to tell us a little bit about his experience

[00:03:24] on that episode but before we talk about that episode why don't you tell us a little

[00:03:28] about yourself Eugene? Alright, well I'm from the UK originally from England and then we

[00:03:42] immigrated to Canada and I was brought up on the prairies in Saskatchewan just above North

[00:03:51] and South Dakota. And so then I went back to drama school in England when I was about 20

[00:04:00] and I went to the Royal Academy of dramatic art and studied there and then after I finished

[00:04:06] study there I went to Poland and I studied for a year and then I went to Russia and I studied

[00:04:11] for a year so I'm well educated in Ocarina. And yeah, then the first 20 some years of my career

[00:04:23] were in the UK and I made a bunch of, I did a lot of stage work at the Royal Shakespeare

[00:04:30] Company at the National Theatre and when I started doing that's where my film career started

[00:04:37] there as well. I started with a film called Hanover Street and then I worked on the An Empire Strikes

[00:04:44] Back, the Star Wars movie and then you know I just played smaller roles, I did a movie with

[00:04:52] John Strassian, Julia called Yanks and so that was all good and yeah I think I probably did

[00:05:00] or 60 or 70 movies in the UK and TV shows and stuff. And then I moved back to Saskatchewan,

[00:05:09] no first I moved to Toronto and I stayed in Toronto and that's where actually we were actually film

[00:05:17] loose pumps and I stayed there for I think 10 or some more years 12 years something like that

[00:05:24] and now I'm living in Vancouver so that's where I am up to date, you got me up to date.

[00:05:31] Excellent and yeah let's talk a little bit about the Goosebumps episode, the U-Film so of course

[00:05:38] you were in one of the first episodes, the Girl Card Monster based off the eighth book in the

[00:05:43] original series and I guess to start off how did you get involved with being a part of that episode?

[00:05:51] Oh okay it was just lucky for it was a lady called Ante, she was the casting director on the

[00:06:00] Goosebumps and they had brought me into audition for Mr. Morrman and I thought you know I did

[00:06:10] a reasonable job but sadly I didn't get the job, they offered it to another fellow so I was

[00:06:18] pretty sad about that but you know there you go that show business and then about a week later

[00:06:24] or something like that I get it I got a call that the person that was originally cast as Mr.

[00:06:31] Morrman fell ill or something like that and would I come you know and do do the role so I was

[00:06:40] like over the moon because I wanted to do the role you know because it was all a like monster

[00:06:46] and eating crickets you know that you know I wanted to do all that stuff so yeah I got the job and

[00:06:57] it was like we were talking earlier I had to go through this whole wardrobe and makeup procedure

[00:07:04] I had to wear a complete prosthetic on my head and they had to you know

[00:07:12] it was frightening it was you know really it's really claustrophobic but I managed to get through that

[00:07:19] you know and then once we got all that behind us then the actual filming of it was a blast

[00:07:25] it was lots and lots of fun yeah absolutely and like I said Girl Crane Monster is a very well-known

[00:07:33] memorable episode especially for your performance as Mr. Morrman is very very memorable

[00:07:40] and very scary to kids I mean eating the crickets and especially the big tarantula

[00:07:51] it's creepy when you watch it as a kid I know because I was a friend as well because

[00:07:58] I had to the crickets were okay because they were all on the desk and stuff like that and I think

[00:08:06] I had to eat little gummies that's what they actually used or tic tac or something like that

[00:08:12] for their crickets but I did have to actually wrangle the tarantula and you know it's saying that

[00:08:23] when I was doing it they sprayed my hand with this it's called a plastic glove

[00:08:31] and so it's a see it's see through in everything like that but it actually protects your

[00:08:38] hands from the tarantula's fur which is dangerous because apparently if it gets under your skin

[00:08:46] it can cause you know really like rashes then it can cause all kinds of health

[00:08:53] yeah I mean that was a really interesting thing to have you know learn to do you know to

[00:09:01] to wrangle the tarantula you know and to handle these crickets and stuff like that

[00:09:08] and then when I had the mask on I didn't want to get the real crickets too close to my face

[00:09:13] because I didn't want them to jump in my mouth or anything like that right so all the

[00:09:18] kids was very very you know they had to do some care for editing on that show you know I said oh

[00:09:26] don't get the crickets too close to my face but I don't want to eat any crickets

[00:09:34] it was fun and then going going to Lucy's mom and dad's house that was really interesting

[00:09:44] because well you know what happens at the end of that episode right you know

[00:09:50] so that was really fun and the guy who was playing Lucy's dad damn let I know I knew him really

[00:09:59] well from taranto you know so it was in during the same episode that was kind of fun and I loved

[00:10:07] it was such a great one I've written it's great and I was oh my god this is such a good twist you know

[00:10:14] that what happens I don't want to spoil it just in case somebody some of your viewers haven't

[00:10:19] seen that the episode but yeah so it was fun I don't have this one of that most fun jobs

[00:10:29] that I'd had up to that point in my career right you know because you know it was

[00:10:37] I can't remember if it was put to us as a kid show or a young adult show but

[00:10:47] I was thinking that if this is the kid show it's good it's it's a good show I mean it's not like we

[00:10:54] were discussing yesterday it's not talking down to kids at all it's just good entertainment and

[00:11:02] and also it is scary and like we're discussing yesterday too that you know right from the

[00:11:08] beginning of time you know like if you think of um you know um uh the three little bears or

[00:11:17] little red riding or I mean those are scary stories where scary things happen and you know

[00:11:25] ancient child fabled and they never top down to children and I I think that's one of the reasons

[00:11:31] goose goose horses so good because it never top down to children either absolutely Bjorn you had a

[00:11:38] question there just uh um yeah just earlier on how it's talking about how it was made for kids

[00:11:44] and everything like I guess this is the part where I should say because I have mentioned this once

[00:11:49] before on the podcast this is the episode that absolutely traumatized my brother uh to the point

[00:11:56] like we had we had a burnt copy of it on the VHS because there was no physical release of it

[00:12:04] and I remember my mom knew how much I loved it so when it was on TV she actually was like oh

[00:12:10] goose bumps is on I'll burn this for my son you know he loves it and then I sat down to watch it with

[00:12:15] my brother and he was petrified uh it was actually and it wasn't so much the scenes where you're eating

[00:12:21] piss and stuff it was more the part where you're chasing Lucy around the library I don't know what

[00:12:25] it was about that but he was so terrified of that that he hid the video and I could never find

[00:12:32] it he would always hide it when I wanted to watch it so um yeah it was I was like I want to

[00:12:37] watch goosebumps so I want to watch it I love it and he's just like no we're not watching that

[00:12:41] ever again he had the way did you see he destroyed it eventually or something I thought you're

[00:12:46] never heard yeah eventually yeah eventually destroyed it he threw it on the ground and ripped all the

[00:12:51] tape out of it and yeah I could never watch it again until they finally you know released it on DVD

[00:12:57] I could actually watch it again but I was so sad because that episode was yeah I never released

[00:13:02] it was only you know if they would do a rerun on Fox kids or something and so I was happy to

[00:13:07] have it but yeah unfortunately my brother was so terrified of that episode I don't know what it was

[00:13:14] I think it just everything the atmosphere they created in that library like the blue and

[00:13:18] blue forks are and the music and everything just really freaked him out and I remember using a really

[00:13:26] weird voice is Mr. Morpon as well I was going Lucy kind of like uh kind of like a

[00:13:35] bit of a pervert not a pervert but just like a weird guy like you know I remember speaking

[00:13:43] really high in my upper register like Lucy and I get laughing under my mask because

[00:13:54] I don't know if you guys are old enough to remember a show called I love Lucy but uh

[00:14:00] Lucy's husband he was uh I think Cuban Ricky Ricardo and uh whenever Lucy did something wrong Ricky would

[00:14:10] always go Lucy you got a lot of explaining to do when I was talking for Lucy I was going

[00:14:20] Lucy Lucy I get to give you a nice lady to do

[00:14:27] Inspiration took inspiration from Ricky Ricardo hey maybe he wasn't trying to eat or maybe he was

[00:14:34] just trying to get her to explain yeah no I just can't wait for my brother to watch this back

[00:14:42] because he worked my brother watches all these episodes and when I finally got to talk to the man

[00:14:46] that he's gonna love the

[00:14:53] my brother so he's TB 31 this year so he's 30 now so when we watched this we were really young

[00:15:01] like I was probably only five or six so he would have only been about seven he was older than me

[00:15:06] and he was more terrified of it but I was just I lived for the franchise so you know nothing

[00:15:10] really scared me with it so yeah yeah and that episode you're right it had a really creepy atmosphere

[00:15:19] because I mean we talked about this before but season one of Goosebumps was different from the others

[00:15:25] because I feel like they really put their all into how everything looked and this episode specifically

[00:15:32] when you have the library at night it's kind of got like everything's like really dark blue you got

[00:15:40] sort of the purple tints coming out of the windows and it just looks very like there's a lot

[00:15:45] of contrast and it just kind of makes the image pop and then when it's mixed with the brilliant

[00:15:53] but grotesque design of Mr. Mortman when he's the monster it makes for a very creepy atmosphere

[00:16:02] especially during the chase because you have Lucy running and running done this endless corridor

[00:16:10] and then Mr. Mortman's just kind of like laughing and he's like you're right he's like who's

[00:16:15] see where are you and it makes for very creepy I especially remember me personally when I first saw

[00:16:25] was right before the commercial break when she's like trapped in the corner and he's just kind

[00:16:32] of like like standing right there and he's just like dinners served and all that

[00:16:40] yeah it's pretty yeah yeah the comment of uh he likes fast food

[00:16:46] I love fast food

[00:16:52] and it starts doesn't it when Lucy's in the library because she's first he's Mr. Mortman the

[00:17:00] librarian and then he changes in to Mr. Mortman the monster doesn't he and we kind of see that

[00:17:08] transformation which which makes it really scary as well because now he's not dealing with a weird

[00:17:15] old guy dealing with our deadly monster right yeah you have the we're like the eyes you can see

[00:17:23] the eyes actually like bug out of the head um there's the glasses off and yeah see the head kind of

[00:17:31] and even like like yeah I like the yeah how they go almost like that like the Freddie Kruger tongue

[00:17:39] all the time it's like I'm very similar to that yeah it's weird because that was a long time ago

[00:17:46] since I said the other day like how many years ago was that 20 years and you go well it's just

[00:17:54] about 30 actually just about 30 years that we filmed that it just it's it's so freaky to me that

[00:18:02] 30 years has gone by that that quickly yeah so I was yeah so I'm yeah I was god I was only in my

[00:18:14] 30s when I made that choice it's one of the first because one of the first shows I did in Canada

[00:18:21] because when I came back to Canada from the UK yeah goose bumps is one of the first jobs I booked

[00:18:29] in in Canada yeah um this is great I mean we're definitely glad you did because I don't know who

[00:18:37] had the role before you but I honestly like couldn't imagine this episode with anybody else's

[00:18:42] Mr. Mortman at this point like exactly the part was played to perfection I mean like when you were

[00:18:48] the librarian you you seem like a legit librarian you know this very like normal like very uns you know

[00:18:56] seemingly guy just you know has a passion for these books wanting Lucy to be more like

[00:19:03] enthralled with other stuff besides monsters uh being black beauty you know as a classic but she

[00:19:09] hated it and stuff like that yeah but then when you turn to the monster it was a complete flip of

[00:19:14] the switch you know so well that title doesn't lie it is very much like a boy who cried wolf story

[00:19:21] it's because she wants she likes telling monster stories to scare a little brother and she's always

[00:19:27] just like yeah like when she talks about black beauties like it was really boring you could have

[00:19:32] used like a monster with like big gnarly fangs and all that stuff and he's just like

[00:19:38] Lucy why don't you go pick out another book he's just so done with it which is ironic because he's a

[00:19:46] monster too but he's just kind of like I'm tired of hearing you talk about monster

[00:19:52] and I was so you know such a uh I learned yeah

[00:20:02] yeah no I also love uh because she picks out uh well he's like go pick on another book

[00:20:08] and she picks out Frankenstein and he she brings it up to him and he's just like you know Franken

[00:20:14] stein's a classic as well like I don't want to hear you trash this book too yeah yeah so I mean

[00:20:22] he could be a monster but you know he definitely takes his profession seriously oh yeah the way

[00:20:29] you know straightening up the books I remember even just that one shot I love where like it kind of

[00:20:34] just pans into him like straightening up the books and it's almost like he's so OCD trying to get

[00:20:39] them perfectly in line and I just love like just those little subtle things in the episode I think

[00:20:44] was so great like a mass touch you know oh wow yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna have to try I'm gonna

[00:20:51] not to try and track that track it down because I haven't seen it for I don't know 30 yeah well

[00:20:59] almost probably 20 years 25 years since I've seen it I know some they were playing them on TV

[00:21:06] for a while but I never got to see my episode yeah they also I had them on Netflix for a while

[00:21:17] but you can find all of them on YouTube and I'll be sure to send a link to you email so you

[00:21:23] can have that okay that yeah that would be great yeah you know what I used to love about goosebumps

[00:21:29] I loved the way the show started with music you know and that dog member yeah and I always I'm

[00:21:39] really thought that was a great opening for the show yeah like who designed the music who did

[00:21:47] the music and stuff did he Jack lens Jack lens yep he uh he did the theme song and he did the

[00:21:54] music for uh I don't know if he did it for the entire show but he did like the first season um

[00:22:02] so the music that's the entire show he did most of it though yes Brad Mcdonald was

[00:22:07] the other there was another composer Brad Mcdonald I'm pretty sure that did the other the other

[00:22:17] episodes um like nightling dummy three and those ones um but uh I personally still think that

[00:22:23] the soundtrack for the girl of cry monster is the most creepiest one like soundtrack wise I think

[00:22:28] it is very very eerie like just from the opening title credit even just where she starts talking

[00:22:35] about you know I love to scam our brother you know Randy like even just that music at the beginning

[00:22:40] man oh it's so great you know they had great use of like um I don't know if it's it's like an organ

[00:22:47] almost uh like a really easy piano and just like especially during the transformation the really

[00:22:54] weaning heavily on the dun dun dun like yeah and acquire too I loved when the the show had acquire

[00:23:03] for the music uh so like the hall in the background I don't find it masked used choir a lot as well

[00:23:10] like that whenever they did that yeah I know how to master that but a girl card monster had it too

[00:23:15] for like the really really like shocking intense moments um and it worked it worked a great deal

[00:23:21] it's almost like um a classic horror movie like um when they're in uh in in an old abandoned church

[00:23:31] or something and you heard the big pipe organs playing almost like a Frankenstein movie or

[00:23:38] a werewolf movie one of those you know yeah yeah yeah I think it a very classic monster vibe with

[00:23:45] the music which was great uh you something you wouldn't expect from a kid show I mean

[00:23:51] there were some other kids horror out at the time too but goosebumps easily had one of the best

[00:23:57] scores to episodes it was pretty clashed in the first place even till today standards like

[00:24:01] they don't use music quite as well uh because I watched the new Disney Plus show they they don't

[00:24:07] use music in the best way in that episode like they could have uh compared to a show almost 30 years

[00:24:13] old now so yeah really just been to you get and it's funny because you mentioned uh who did the

[00:24:18] music in the dog especially we actually had Cal Dodd on an episode recently and he voice slappy but

[00:24:25] we also found out he voiced the uh intro or the goosebumps show the viewer beware you're in for

[00:24:31] a scare he did that part but he says he also did the dog so he did that it's funny we find out

[00:24:39] that that's him not a dog we're like that's not a real dog but um no I love and that's the thing

[00:24:48] the music in the first season when Jack lens was doing it because we always talk about how the show

[00:24:54] as it went on got a little more goofy a little more cheesy uh but the first season was just like

[00:25:01] in wooks and music was way more slow paced atmospheric creepy and just really really worked with

[00:25:11] the visuals and that's what music should do it should compliment what you're seeing on the screen

[00:25:16] it should go together but um yeah i i i love that it was i can remember the day i also can

[00:25:28] remember the day that we were filming um the scenes where i get beaten it's all good i'm

[00:25:36] sure most people most of yeah most of our most of our crew has seen the episode yeah i would

[00:25:44] everybody who watches this probably says so i think you're okay but that's what's ending

[00:25:48] it amazing yeah because we're sitting at the table and i i remember saying something like oh

[00:25:57] this chicken looks very very well done and then they all looked at each other

[00:26:05] then they all looked at me and when we filmed it the director told them they said yeah

[00:26:11] oh the japanish i knew lucy and dan and all everyone just jumped on me like they

[00:26:26] oh i remember the lines now it was um he says yes so what's for dinner and they say well

[00:26:32] since you asked oh yeah he's like he has a great reaction because he's like he's kind of like

[00:26:40] he's choking on the me's like excuse me he's like i thought he said and then they're like

[00:26:44] and then they have the like snake teeth and they're like that's right you are

[00:26:55] oh it's so shame though we don't get really see the parents monster forms that well because

[00:26:59] the designs in them if you see the mass behind the scenes they were so cool like those snake

[00:27:04] monsters like those like cobra monsters you see a bit better in shocker on shock street

[00:27:08] bud yeah but um that's a great line i just look well because you're in a tense situation because

[00:27:16] you have you know you have someone who you know is a monster in your house and you're just waiting

[00:27:21] at any moment for him to like do something but then all of a sudden the table's just turned and

[00:27:27] it's like you thought you were you were getting the upper hand here and it's a great twist ending

[00:27:35] it's like it is a great twist it's great to be now it's like uh it reminds me a lot of

[00:27:41] and a lot of goosebumps endings remind me of that but it reminds me a lot of the classic

[00:27:45] ece comics the tales from the crypt and all that because that's very much like an ending out of an

[00:27:51] ece comic is just the parents were the monsters all along like yeah it's great and uh yeah the

[00:28:00] deliveries on just like you are yeah and they're so not showing about it like this this actually

[00:28:07] this is their average Tuesday yeah it's funny too because it's not a situation where because

[00:28:15] there was another episode where there were parents who were monsters but the kids didn't know

[00:28:21] so they're kind of just like confused but here it's like yeah we're monsters too we just were

[00:28:26] kind of like you know we can't do anything about it yeah we can't we can't risk getting caught

[00:28:32] the episode I think it's Empire bruh because he's brother didn't know that his parents were monsters

[00:28:41] did he I mean actually they did that the two kids knew that their parents were monsters because they

[00:28:48] talk about how um they didn't believe Lucy because they said they haven't seen a monster around

[00:28:55] this parts for a long time and then they kind of went over the rules yeah four monsters yeah there's

[00:29:00] like we can't really realize what I was talking about was vampire bruh and that one had kids who

[00:29:04] had monsters as parents but they did that was a different take because the kids didn't know that

[00:29:11] the parents were like monsters so at least it didn't make it out to be

[00:29:16] but I can tell you guys yeah another one of the day was my best friend is invisible that was

[00:29:20] I mean they didn't their monsters but like that one was like well there weren't monsters they were

[00:29:27] aliens and um you get turned out the ghost the invisible boy is actually the only human left on

[00:29:34] earth and all the people who were humans are aliens that have faces on the back of their

[00:29:43] it's one of the goofiest yet most unsettling effects of the whole show I know it's it's goofy but it

[00:29:49] it's if it's scared kids I would not be surprised that imagery is unsettling like um I'm trying to think

[00:29:57] about another well what which episode did you guys find the very scariest oh good uh probably

[00:30:07] girl cry monster honestly like that was the one that I think was genuinely creepy I mean some

[00:30:12] episodes had like just maybe like one scene that would be really scary like like for instance

[00:30:18] attack with the jack o'lanans has probably one of the most infamous terrifying almost like I

[00:30:24] know the best way to describe this those are but like really just uh disturbing scenes uh where they're

[00:30:32] up and like they go to this house trick-or-treating and there's like these like old people that have

[00:30:36] all these kids like chained up but like they have this almost like oh good looking dude yeah the

[00:30:42] man is like very like deformed and he's like he traps all these kids because he loves their costumes

[00:30:51] and they're like I love your costumes and like you're gonna stay here for a while

[00:30:59] he's like an it you know like yeah

[00:31:04] there's a weird growth on like like this cluster of it reminds it so it also reminds me like the

[00:31:09] deformity the shopkeeper has in the haunted mask it's a very similar kind of thing I was thinking

[00:31:13] about to but uh yeah for me like for me the scariest episode like I didn't watch goose bumps when

[00:31:19] I was really little so like I never really got I didn't what's our watching tell is a bit older

[00:31:24] but for me the most unsettling one all-round girl who cried monster was the haunted mask two

[00:31:30] just because of the idea of like this old man mask that this kid finds it's kind of like a similar

[00:31:35] thing to the first haunted mask he puts it on and it fuses to his face but the difference is this old

[00:31:41] man mask doesn't make him like evil it's slow and like starts rapidly aging him and basically slowly

[00:31:48] kills him like his hands like start like morphing into old man hands and like the mask like warps

[00:31:54] and bulges around his face and it's just like really unsettling show we got weird at times

[00:32:00] yeah I've been settling to me I mean wow can you yeah well yeah and that's like classic horror

[00:32:11] man is it? Well a lot of goose bumps stories are derived from classic horror stories um but for kids

[00:32:19] so and um but girl cried monster I would say that's the scariest episode of me too because even

[00:32:26] outside of the monster stuff it does a good job at really making um sort of even like the scenes where

[00:32:34] there's no monsters at all seem tense because once she knows that Mr. Mormons a monster and he

[00:32:39] knows that she knows he's like showing up at her front door and then like can I come in and she's

[00:32:45] like no my parents just get an engine now like Mr. Mormons chasing her and she just gets into the

[00:32:52] house or whatever and I can remember knocking on that door and then I say can I come in and I

[00:32:59] can remember the look on her face she was petrified and she said no because it's like now you know

[00:33:06] it's where I live and I'm a long way to yeah it's just close yeah so she kind of does a really

[00:33:15] stupid though like you just think you should never do as a kid if you're home alone and someone

[00:33:19] shows up like my parents aren't home right now actually there are some

[00:33:27] of strangers at your door yeah well she's like actually they're in the bathroom she's like mom

[00:33:36] is dad still polishing his sawdust shotgun

[00:33:38] yeah that's the one I was gonna say it's I love that line right

[00:33:43] me what did I like that I like that scene and it's really creepy too because like he tells her

[00:33:52] I brought your backpack it's on my way but then when the parents start talking to her and he she's

[00:33:58] explaining that you know he came by the house they're like oh well you should be thankful it's not

[00:34:04] on his way at all so you know he's already lying to Lucy saying well it's on my way when the

[00:34:10] parents have already confirmed now right after that that and clearly wasn't on his way so

[00:34:17] I wonder if the parents start suspecting that Mr. Mortman is a monster when she

[00:34:27] when she tells him that he came to the house I wonder you know so not to fray under they say oh

[00:34:34] that was very nice of him to come by with your backpack but really the conversation they were

[00:34:40] having is whoa there's something very odd about this guy's behavior maybe well yeah yeah

[00:34:48] I was gonna say anything about that that's very possible but that was the moment that the

[00:34:53] parents realized that maybe there's something to this yeah because how would they know to invite

[00:34:59] Mr. Mortman over for a meal and all that and like the good thing if it is it gets you thinking I

[00:35:07] mean that's when I like that's when I like with TV or film making is when I leave the cinema and I

[00:35:14] am you know got my mind going yeah yeah definitely it's it's it's a terrifying episode and when I see

[00:35:22] what it did brother like traumatizing I can only imagine what it would have done to other kids you

[00:35:27] know in the 90s like this episode I think really was the scariest one and even I think Alan who we had

[00:35:33] on the podcast I think he said it was his favorite one too um I'm pretty sure it's with the girl

[00:35:38] crime monster was his favorite so I'm like I think this this episode is a personal favorite to a lot of

[00:35:43] people yeah I think because it is so scary yeah I mean for me it's in my top 10 if not top five

[00:35:49] favorite episodes like I still haven't like absolutely thought through like the placement of my

[00:35:54] top 10 but it's in that mix it's really my hair is the venture just saying yeah yeah

[00:36:08] Isaiah yesterday that people are still coming up to me and saying oh were you Mr. Mortman and

[00:36:17] goose bumps and like that's 30 years ago right mm-hmm and I go yeah yeah I was and I cannot believe

[00:36:27] for a TV show that people are still coming up to me and saying were you in goose bumps and

[00:36:31] I'm really happy to say yeah I was I was in goose bumps I was Mr. Mortman they go yeah as we know

[00:36:38] then they do a funny voice something right yeah I mean it's a it's a fantastic episode in every way

[00:36:45] it's a great adaptation of the book um and it's it's iconic I mean when people think of

[00:36:52] the goose bumps show this is one of the episodes that people immediately their mind snaps to

[00:36:58] is this one and maybe like Hauna mask and stay out of the basement like definitely one of the more

[00:37:04] memorable ones for many great reasons uh I want to be the haunted mask when when when Nick when you

[00:37:11] send me that link I'm gonna I'm gonna definitely watch this one I'm gonna watch night at the

[00:37:20] what's the one where I do Rocky in night of the living dummy three night of the living dummy three

[00:37:27] and I want to watch that because I have an ever seen that one and I want to watch haunted

[00:37:32] mask is which one do you like Nick haunted mask one two or three so Hauna mask one and two are

[00:37:41] easily in my top five Hauna mask one is definitely my favorite episode yeah it felt very um

[00:37:49] almost film quality like it could have been in a movie theater almost like they they did a very

[00:37:53] well great job because that was the first episode that aired on tv so I think they really put a lot of

[00:37:59] uh extra effort into that so the show could continue yeah but I know Netflix still has

[00:38:08] the haunted mask they have neither living dummy three welcome to dead house which is another great

[00:38:14] and terrifying episode um and because that kind of we were talking about that episode actually

[00:38:20] in a couple episodes ago on the podcast um because we spoke with Scott Wickware and

[00:38:26] is why Marilyn who were both in that episode um but Scott's been in a few including the

[00:38:31] haunted mask two and that one's on Netflix as well so there's a few on Netflix but the link I'll

[00:38:36] send you has every episode so you can check out whichever ones you want to um there's a few there's

[00:38:42] a few duds out there not not every episode was as good as the girl pride monster but they uh they're

[00:38:47] definitely worth a watch I think um many how many did they do in the first season was it my 26 or

[00:38:56] I believe it was about I was thinking about my head actually know this I think they're like

[00:39:04] they were talking like I think there was 14 like adaptations because there was a few two parts so

[00:39:10] if you count the two parts as individual episodes it was like 17 episodes or something like that

[00:39:14] maybe more yeah just in terms of like an adaptation of the book it was like 14 episodes I believe

[00:39:22] yeah just about with IMDB if you go by that um with the two partners they're they're saying 19 episodes

[00:39:31] mm-hmm yeah in season one yep in season one and many of those are considered to be among the best

[00:39:39] um definitely the best adaptation they definitely chose from some of the most popular books

[00:39:45] at the time but uh we earlier mentioned uh night of the living dummy three which you had a voice

[00:39:52] roll in and uh we're gonna talk about that one in just a second uh but first uh if you're once

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[00:41:39] so you did a voice roll as a rocky the slappies uh little uh i guess i would say henchman

[00:41:48] in night of the living dummy three um and uh rocky he's uh he's brought to life by slappy

[00:41:56] and uh we discussed it earlier he's sort of like uh like an old school gangster mobster he's like

[00:42:02] sure sure whatever you say boss but uh but you did the voice for that so uh did you get called back to

[00:42:09] do more episodes of goosebumps you know what okay i'll be really honest with you i

[00:42:17] i don't even remember doing rocky really i i know i did it because it's on my i m b b here

[00:42:26] and i've seen it but um when you when i found out that i was going to do your podcast i really started

[00:42:37] rocking my brains rocky rocky how did i and then i remember like i was saying to you i was doing that

[00:42:44] movie blessed the child and i remembered the producer of goosebumps called me into the recording studio

[00:42:53] um and and that's that's and i don't know is is is rocky is he in the whole episode or is he in just one

[00:43:06] scene or nope he is in the whole episode so unlike the book um in the book slappy has a whole bunch of

[00:43:15] ventro clas dummies at his side in the episode it's just rocky but he brings in the life and he and him

[00:43:20] are just like walking around doing their thing and like i said he's like the henchman so slappy's like

[00:43:28] sitting over here he's laughing evenly and rocky's kind of like oh oh oh he's like shut up

[00:43:34] who said you could laugh i'm dying to see it i'm dying to see this episode so i can hear my

[00:43:43] voice because once i hear my voice i'm sure i'll read it'll bring me back

[00:43:49] i do i do remember that i had to go in and re-voice it because the producer thought that my

[00:43:58] Canadian accent was coming out too often and so so okay you you just gotta do you gotta talk more like

[00:44:08] uh thank you you know like go or you know so now i it was challenging and i i love that i think but

[00:44:17] you got honestly i cannot i cannot put an exact i don't have an exact sharp crystal clear memory of

[00:44:27] other so when i get to see it it'll be like a first time viewing for me well that's really it's one

[00:44:35] of the most iconic episodes too like my long dummy three is in most people's like top five

[00:44:42] so i have a credit is it say voice the rocky by Eugene Lipinski yes you do yeah yeah it's in

[00:44:51] the credits too and it's that's what i mean like it this is our personal favorite to a lot of

[00:44:55] people as well this episode so like it's and it features uh someone else from star wars too actually

[00:45:02] a very famous actor from star wars heading christian city plate anakin skywalker and episodes two

[00:45:07] and three he's actually in it when he's very young wow yeah well i'm gonna you guys going to give me your

[00:45:17] your details because once i watch it and i hear it i'll all right to you and i'll say oh my god

[00:45:25] i listened to the episode and you know thank you so much for making me aware of it i

[00:45:31] enough to you know go back and and watch it no yeah and uh i mean he is a really funny character

[00:45:40] when you listen to it it's just so funny because again he's he's like the old school like

[00:45:47] like i'll do what you say they're boss but um at the end uh they try to because rocky in this

[00:45:55] family that owns all these dummies rocky's been like a personal favorite of the family

[00:46:01] and slappy's kind of taken him for himself but then they're kind of like well rocky like listen

[00:46:07] like you are part of our family don't listen to him and then uh just when you think he's gonna

[00:46:15] like continue doing what slappy says he just turned around and he knocks slappy in the face

[00:46:21] and he starts tossing him around he's like what are you doing he's like never go against the family

[00:46:32] he was the vendisal of dummies at the time yeah that's about family

[00:46:39] yeah yeah oh yeah oh you're talking about the fast and furious yeah he's like

[00:46:45] family yeah oh i watch all those stupid movies the fast and furious brothers

[00:46:54] yeah i don't know how to make the same movie ten times i don't know how they can do it

[00:47:00] yeah yeah but i yeah it's so funny because like more you know as an actor even like the smaller

[00:47:12] olds i've played i you know you you remember the people that you were with to remember everything

[00:47:19] but and and and i don't remember the process of being cast as rocky like i don't know if i had

[00:47:30] to go in for another you know audition for that i don't know how it happened all i do is how i

[00:47:37] have this vague memory of being at the recording studio and being there with the producer and

[00:47:44] us going over some of the the text and stuff but um yeah i wonder i don't know why i can't remember

[00:47:53] that but maybe something bad was happening in my life at that time um well it's interesting

[00:48:00] because like well i guess that we had cal dot on who voiced slappy and he said the same thing

[00:48:04] actually even though like he voiced slappy in four episodes when he counted the two part

[00:48:12] uh he had said that you know he didn't really remember a lot of his time slappy either

[00:48:17] oh okay i don't know if that's because like he wasn't on set you were just kind of like

[00:48:21] an idiot kind of a deal read some lines and you left uh or or what the case says but he said

[00:48:27] the same thing so oh good okay so i don't yeah cuz all right maybe i was getting you know like a

[00:48:33] senior is moment or something but yeah i know i can't oh so then he didn't i think you make a good

[00:48:41] point like that yeah probably cuz you weren't physically on set you didn't meet the rest of the

[00:48:47] actors you didn't have lunch with them you know you didn't spend hours and hours and hours learning

[00:48:54] lines you know and uh well yeah i feel like has a lot to do with it uh just based on what he said

[00:49:02] and what you're saying now so i think that's a totally different experience because like you said

[00:49:07] if you're not on set to make these memories yeah like you can remember so many things about the

[00:49:12] girl with cried monster and how great of a time that was and and when it comes to just voice acting

[00:49:18] like just for you know an episode or in this case a two-parter uh it was just kind of something

[00:49:24] that was on the fly it seems like so you they got your lines done and you know and just had to go

[00:49:30] on your way you didn't meet me by any they probably didn't send you uh the episode when it was done

[00:49:35] so it's very it's very impersonal because i do i do some cartoons you know i do voices for

[00:49:43] some cartoons and it is so impersonal you go there you don't even hear anybody give you a throw

[00:49:51] in line they just give you a list of lines to say line one line two line three you know line one

[00:49:59] hello how are you today line two yeah very good line three goal you know whatever

[00:50:10] sorry smell smells like someone smoking in my house but

[00:50:15] it's a ghost it's rocky rocky

[00:50:19] rock or boss

[00:50:20] rock sorry boss

[00:50:23] it's boss

[00:50:24] look at me don't remember me

[00:50:30] oh man that's so great

[00:50:31] let's say revenge

[00:50:32] it's all yeah

[00:50:33] oh man

[00:50:34] okay

[00:50:35] once i watch the episode and then you guys uh i'll i'll come back on um i'll come back on your

[00:50:41] podcast and then i'll be able to do all the lines

[00:50:51] that'd be amazing but um but yeah i mean it was awesome to find out that you were in

[00:50:58] another episode uh even if it was you know a voice role and not

[00:51:02] you know like girl cried monster being there on physical set um but i'm curious uh so in terms

[00:51:09] of the goosebumps as a whole um we've talked to many actors in the past who were especially who

[00:51:15] are in the early days of the show and we always like to figure out were you aware or did you know

[00:51:20] about goosebumps before you did the show

[00:51:25] because i was in my 30s you know so if i hadn't read those books when i was in my you know um

[00:51:36] preteen or early teen years i mean who what when i never asked her i was telling this but

[00:51:45] i mean who did he mean the books to be for what age group did he ever does he ever say

[00:51:50] i think he intended it for probably i'd say maybe four to four to six graders sort of not like

[00:51:59] early school but probably like preteen before middle school i'd say

[00:52:05] so nine ten year olds to to to early school yeah like i'd say i'd say i'd say

[00:52:15] i'd say elementary school because he also did another series that was geared towards teenagers

[00:52:20] and adults and i was fear street so he already had a book series for the older audience

[00:52:27] and so this one was more geared towards those elementary to middle school kids

[00:52:33] yeah i remember there was a um an old uh old news report on goosebumps like an old 90s one

[00:52:41] and i remember one of the reporters that was uh interviewing iraustine they did mention it eight

[00:52:47] to twelve year olds so i think that so that was kind of the age and that was that seems very

[00:52:52] right i mean i i was reading them earlier uh like a lot early i was only like five but

[00:52:57] i think the target was eight to twelve was from what i remember from that old report and

[00:53:04] iraustine was there when they were talking about it was a really old one from the 90s like i think

[00:53:08] it was like 90 95 or 96 or something i'll have to try and find it again but yeah they specifically

[00:53:14] said eight to twelve year olds so just before high school sort of age yeah and uh speaking of our

[00:53:22] alstein uh we were talking about it a little bit before the show um but you would say that you

[00:53:27] actually got a copy of the girl cried monster signed by our alstein himself yeah because he came

[00:53:34] to Toronto and um he had lunch with us and um he gave me one of the books and he signed

[00:53:42] um uh to Eugene my favorite library yeah

[00:53:52] do you have the tv book the tv presents version book because there's actually

[00:53:57] color photos of you do inside it i think as i has got one on hand

[00:54:00] yep i do too so this book no i don't have that one

[00:54:06] so this book came out uh around the same time as the episode um and it's sort of like a it's

[00:54:12] almost like how movie novels are done we're spending right to book that's based on a movie it's

[00:54:18] sort of like the movie in a book and that's what this is um but they also do have color photos inside

[00:54:25] of the episode so like right there is the scene where you're at the door talking to you see

[00:54:31] oh yeah wow look how fat i was and uh we got another one right here

[00:54:40] yeah how you make up oh my gosh look at that oh it's really cool it's awesome

[00:54:47] that's something you copy yeah i was gonna say uh i have an extra i'll have to send one to you

[00:54:52] yeah you you've got to have one of these oh hey oh so i'll pay you for it

[00:54:57] oh no no no no it's a great book it's a great collectible we'll be happy to send you one

[00:55:04] i send it oh that's so nice yeah no i mean

[00:55:09] i am i listen i gotta tell you guys how i didn't realize this whole

[00:55:17] world of people who are fans of boost pumps even existed well i well i saw the new series on

[00:55:26] tv and i started watching one episode and i thought oh no this is not old use pumps this is

[00:55:39] i didn't watch the whole episode but i didn't think it was i didn't think it had the same

[00:55:47] disasters as the old i didn't even realize that it was the same show i didn't really

[00:55:54] realize it was the same boost pumps as the original boost pumps i i know that sometimes like

[00:56:00] i've been in movies like i was in a movie called moon lighting and there are other movies in tv

[00:56:07] show for moon i think that i'm not able to do it to move lighting i move so that's what i thought

[00:56:12] that boost pumps that i saw on tv was but apparently that's our else that i used work as well

[00:56:20] yeah it's very loosely based and i a lot of us feel like it's goosebumps by name only

[00:56:27] because they took too many liberties with his work and trying to make this show so it didn't

[00:56:34] stick with a lot of like original goosebumps fans you know the actual content of steins work

[00:56:42] some people like to just because it was different but if you're going to use goosebumps don't make

[00:56:48] it different or make it something new by itself then at that point yeah i was way a lot of us

[00:56:53] were looking at it so yeah no we're with you it definitely doesn't have that same feel and

[00:57:01] i want to say lightning in a bottle moment that the 90s show had yeah

[00:57:06] yeah you know it's it's so weird i mean it's so rare that things that are created off of things

[00:57:17] that were really good in its time you know when they try to recreate them they're very rarely as

[00:57:25] good no like when you watch tv shows that our remakes of us show that you know in days gone by and

[00:57:36] always watch just to see if they have the same sort of you know interest cash to me but

[00:57:44] normal i end up turning them and you didn't make your bed there i can see

[00:57:49] yeah yeah nothing will compare to the original 90s show like i've been collecting goosebumps for

[00:58:00] 24 years now i just realized this year is 24 years i've been collecting it and i probably

[00:58:06] spent like three four hundred grand i couldn't tell you how much i've spent on good from stuff

[00:58:11] it's ridiculous i guess you have the biggest goosebumps collection in the world

[00:58:18] i do i think i do well there was another guy actually they had a pretty big collection but he's

[00:58:24] recently started selling all this stuff so i would say i probably do definitely now

[00:58:30] like your name in the Guinness Book of Records

[00:58:34] yes i will i'll get i'll get some of the sender a photo or if you send your details

[00:58:39] or i'll send you some better clear pictures because it's a little it's a little blurry if i

[00:58:44] try to show it on here but i'll send some proper good photos so you can get an actual good look

[00:58:50] and you know how it looks but it's a testament if you see that collection it's just a testament to how

[00:58:57] big that franchise was and it may not reach those heights as it was in the 90s but it will be remembered

[00:59:04] for years and years to come because you know kids who grew up with it in the 90s are now

[00:59:09] adults and they can pass it on to their kids who will probably pass it on to their kids

[00:59:13] it's one of those things that will live forever um yes and you know there's that's what we're saying

[00:59:22] to my friend yet the day you know if nothing else i will be remembered for goose bumps

[00:59:29] oh yes i think you've done so many things though in your career and it's impressive like

[00:59:36] when the moment you said you were gonna come on i was like oh i got to look and see what else

[00:59:39] you've done because i i know i've seen you know the things that made me go through and look but

[00:59:44] like things i didn't even know you were in maybe because i was so young watching it like

[00:59:49] superman too um you know i know you were an arrow because i was one of my uh favorite shows

[00:59:55] when it was on uh so i remembered you from that and you know a few other things but like

[01:00:01] it's impressive to see how many things you've actually done so i feel like you'll be remembered

[01:00:05] for more than goose bumps uh for this crew goose bumps is definitely the number one thing we'll

[01:00:11] remember you for or remember you miss your old man yes always miss the moment but it's

[01:00:18] funny we had we had um tyrick erick said on here who played billy and looked and came not man

[01:00:23] he even said specifically is 30 year career and he gets more female more love for his rolling

[01:00:30] goose bumps than anything else you know and i'm just not well there you go you know but yeah

[01:00:36] and i still i always say as i still can walk down the street all modes every day someone will say

[01:00:44] were you in goose bumps i remember once about this is maybe about 10 before i moved to van

[01:00:52] Cooper anyway i think this little kid came up to me i was in the supermarket and i had my shopping

[01:00:59] and he goes hey are you uh are you mr. mortemain and i go yeah let me see what you eat

[01:01:11] oh i think i'm lucky i had good food in there right like i had salad and broccoli and some

[01:01:18] you go oh look like you lead it's disgusting

[01:01:25] there's no cricket at all oh i mean you actually have a try like try tarantula legs and stuff

[01:01:32] like because you know you can you can actually get that stuff to eat like have you ever been like

[01:01:36] curious what tarantula might actually taste like because i try to learn on a little earlier where

[01:01:41] you guys have that stuff but yeah were you the try i mean i see like monoliths i mean i've seen

[01:01:46] like little boxes of like edible crickets and stuff that are like he's flavored and stuff like i've

[01:01:51] seen those and i've actually tried those before yeah it's like it's like jenny jim's and stuff though

[01:01:58] yeah but i mean yeah they're good i mean i used to i used to have a pet beer dragon and we fed him

[01:02:04] was um we fed him crickets all the time oh he did well

[01:02:10] um but uh but no i mean this episode is iconic and the show is iconic because of episodes like

[01:02:18] this and the performances uh from actors like yourself and for that we goosebumps fans are

[01:02:24] very grateful very grateful well thank you do it now i'm a fan of you

[01:02:32] yeah yes that's awesome well uh that is gonna do it for uh tonight's episode

[01:02:38] of the goose bumps crew podcast and jen thank you again so very very much for joining us and

[01:02:44] talking about goose bumps thank you so much and really lovely to meet you guys honestly i

[01:02:50] it's a real dream absolutely yeah and uh we hope to talk soon and uh so uh yeah that's

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