Goosebumps With The Nerd (ft. James Rolfe)

[00:00:01] The most thrilling, spikingly series ever!

[00:00:05] From the pages of R.L. Stine's best-selling books,

[00:00:08] and the screens go on forever and ever.

[00:00:13] We now return to Goosebumps.

[00:01:05] Greetings, Goosebumps fans, young and old, big and small, living dead and undead.

[00:01:09] Welcome back to the Goosebumps Crew podcast.

[00:01:12] As always, I'm your host, Isaiah Vargas,

[00:01:14] and I'm joined by my good buddies, Bjorn Palenik and Nick Shaw.

[00:01:16] As always, we are the Goosebumps Crew,

[00:01:18] and we are back to talk some Goosebumps.

[00:01:20] Of course we are, that's what we always do.

[00:01:22] If this is your first time joining us here on the Goosebumps Crew podcast,

[00:01:25] I want to sincerely welcome you all.

[00:01:26] If you are or have ever been a fan of the popular Goosebumps series of books

[00:01:30] or the monster franchise that they spawned,

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[00:01:35] Because as I always say, me, Nick, and Bjorn,

[00:01:37] some of the biggest Goosebumps fans on the entire planet,

[00:01:39] we can talk about Goosebumps for hours.

[00:01:40] That's exactly what we do here on this podcast.

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[00:02:40] And since we are still in the month of October,

[00:02:42] we are now halfway through the month,

[00:02:44] and Halloween is approaching ever so closer

[00:02:46] with every passing day.

[00:02:48] We are still in the month of Goosetober

[00:02:50] here on the Goosebumps Crew podcast.

[00:02:51] Halloween episodes and topics all month long.

[00:02:54] If you guys have been tuning in,

[00:02:56] at the start of the month, we did a top 10 list.

[00:02:58] The top 10 Goosebumps books

[00:02:59] that we would have loved to see

[00:03:01] as Goosebumps TV show episodes.

[00:03:03] Then in our second week,

[00:03:05] we watched the fan-made documentary,

[00:03:06] Goosebumps, the saga of scares

[00:03:08] with the original creator, Matt Rasmussen.

[00:03:10] That was a really fun one.

[00:03:11] And last week, we celebrated the nine-year anniversary

[00:03:14] of the first Goosebumps movie

[00:03:15] with puppeteer Avery Jones

[00:03:16] and a special appearance by Slappy the Dummy himself.

[00:03:20] That was a real fun one.

[00:03:21] So this week, we have a super special guest.

[00:03:24] I never thought I would ever be giving this introduction,

[00:03:26] but here it is.

[00:03:27] You may know him as the creator

[00:03:29] and founder of the Cinemassacre online video company.

[00:03:32] He's created and hosted many shows,

[00:03:35] including Bored James, You Know What's Bullshit,

[00:03:38] Rental Reviews, Cinemassacre's Monster Madness,

[00:03:40] and many more.

[00:03:41] He's a film critic, film fan, filmmaker,

[00:03:43] and most importantly, he is an angry video game nerd.

[00:03:46] I'm so, so happy to introduce Mr. James Rolfe

[00:03:50] to the Goosebumps crew.

[00:03:51] James, how are you doing tonight?

[00:03:52] Oh, hey, very good.

[00:03:53] Well, thanks so much for the great introduction

[00:03:56] and for taking me down this trip down memory lane

[00:03:59] with the Goosebumps.

[00:04:01] Absolutely.

[00:04:01] We're very happy to have you,

[00:04:03] and trust me when I say,

[00:04:04] I mean, you are, to me, definitely,

[00:04:07] you're an absolute inspiration.

[00:04:08] I mean, you've been doing online videos

[00:04:10] for many, many years now,

[00:04:12] and, you know, when I think of people on the internet

[00:04:16] who just love the horror genre,

[00:04:19] you come immediately to mind

[00:04:21] with stuff like Monster Madness and stuff like that.

[00:04:24] So it's an absolute honor.

[00:04:25] We're very glad to have you.

[00:04:27] Welcome to the Goosebumps crew.

[00:04:28] Well, thanks so much.

[00:04:30] Absolutely.

[00:04:31] And of course, you know,

[00:04:32] with Mr. James Rolfe here,

[00:04:33] we're going to be talking some Goosebumps,

[00:04:35] and we're going to be talking about

[00:04:36] some horror in general.

[00:04:37] Like I said, if you guys are unfamiliar

[00:04:39] with James' content,

[00:04:41] he hosts the Cinemassacre YouTube channel

[00:04:44] and website.

[00:04:44] He's done all sorts of shows,

[00:04:47] including probably the most popular one

[00:04:49] being Angry Video Game Nerd.

[00:04:50] But James is also a large horror fan,

[00:04:52] and he's done so many.

[00:04:54] He's incorporated horror into a lot of his shows,

[00:04:57] whether it be in the style of filmmaking

[00:04:59] or just talking about horror movies.

[00:05:01] So we're going to be talking about Goosebumps

[00:05:04] and horror in general.

[00:05:05] But, you know, James,

[00:05:07] we always talk about how Goosebumps

[00:05:09] was sort of our, like,

[00:05:11] first introduction to the horror genre.

[00:05:13] But you've been experiencing horror movies

[00:05:16] and horror monsters since you were a kid.

[00:05:19] Can you tell us what got you interested into horror?

[00:05:24] Let's see.

[00:05:25] Well, I started watching classic horror films

[00:05:28] when I was, like, probably 11, 12.

[00:05:32] And Goosebumps must have came out when I was 12.

[00:05:35] Here, let me look at the list.

[00:05:36] I could find out.

[00:05:37] Okay, so I'm looking at a list

[00:05:39] of all the Goosebumps releases.

[00:05:41] And July 92, that was the first one.

[00:05:44] And I must have just turned 12 when that happened.

[00:05:48] So I think, like,

[00:05:49] that was, like, my first horror literature

[00:05:51] as far as I remember.

[00:05:53] Oh, well, then there was the Crestwood House books.

[00:05:55] Those were these books about the classic monster movies.

[00:06:02] And, yeah, yeah.

[00:06:03] I mean, I worked my way up with that kind of stuff.

[00:06:05] And I didn't start watching modern horror films

[00:06:08] until I was, like...

[00:06:10] I mean, I guess I'd be, like, about 15.

[00:06:12] I started watching, like, Nightmare on Elm Street

[00:06:14] and stuff like that.

[00:06:15] But I know a lot of people

[00:06:16] who watched me even younger than that.

[00:06:18] So I don't know where I would be.

[00:06:20] Typically, I was pretty delayed with things,

[00:06:23] I would think.

[00:06:24] Just, like, I know that I wasn't really allowed

[00:06:27] to watch a lot of horror stuff

[00:06:29] because I was too...

[00:06:30] I had a very overreactive imagination.

[00:06:32] I had a lot of nightmares as a kid

[00:06:34] and night terrors, I'd say, also,

[00:06:38] when you're having, like, a waking nightmare.

[00:06:40] I had sleep paralysis as a kid.

[00:06:42] And I'd be fascinated by these hallucinations

[00:06:44] I would see.

[00:06:45] It would only happen when I was a kid.

[00:06:47] I wish it would happen again.

[00:06:48] It never has.

[00:06:49] But it fed me with all this creative fuel.

[00:06:55] And I think what made me not scared anymore

[00:06:57] was the horror movies

[00:06:58] because then it made me see how everything was fake.

[00:07:02] Everything was imaginary.

[00:07:05] It was imaginary.

[00:07:05] But one of the things I remember

[00:07:08] about the Goosebump books

[00:07:09] was whenever there was any type of description

[00:07:12] of anything gory or anything bloody,

[00:07:15] any mention of blood whatsoever.

[00:07:17] I mean, right here.

[00:07:18] I mean, monster blood right there.

[00:07:20] So it's like any type of gory description.

[00:07:24] There was one called...

[00:07:25] It was the Mummy one.

[00:07:27] You guys remember?

[00:07:27] What was the title of the first mummy?

[00:07:29] The first mummy's tomb.

[00:07:30] Yeah, there you go.

[00:07:32] So that one, there was a description in there.

[00:07:34] Do I have that one?

[00:07:35] Let me see.

[00:07:37] No, I don't still have it.

[00:07:38] I used to.

[00:07:40] But there was a description in there

[00:07:42] about like one of the kids

[00:07:44] was teasing the other kid, right?

[00:07:45] And he was saying like how the...

[00:07:47] When they mummify the corpse,

[00:07:49] they take the brains out through the nose.

[00:07:51] And I think he was just doing it

[00:07:52] to like gross out his friend

[00:07:53] or his brother or whatever.

[00:07:54] And the description of it,

[00:07:57] I remember being like so gross.

[00:07:58] And I was like, oh my God, check that out.

[00:08:01] And I'd read it out loud to a friend of mine.

[00:08:03] I'm like, yo, did you know this?

[00:08:04] They take the brains out through the nose.

[00:08:07] And like anytime I talk about gore

[00:08:10] in like a very imaginary type of make-believe kind of way,

[00:08:17] I would get in trouble.

[00:08:18] So I think I was too young at the time.

[00:08:20] And I would always get sent to like the school counselor

[00:08:24] and have to talk about it and everything.

[00:08:25] So I had to really like keep that stuff on the down low.

[00:08:32] So that's why I was sort of sheltered

[00:08:34] by some of this horror stuff at a young age.

[00:08:38] Nowadays, there's probably so many YouTube channels

[00:08:40] where they discuss, you know,

[00:08:42] the gore aspect and horror and like,

[00:08:44] oh, what's your favorite kill in Friday the 13th?

[00:08:46] You know, like it's a make-believe thing.

[00:08:48] We all kind of discuss this as, you know, entertainment.

[00:08:51] But back then that this was a little more taboo.

[00:08:55] I have some of the books from my childhood.

[00:08:58] This is all the ones I was able to dig up just now.

[00:09:02] It's actually kind of surprising they still are here.

[00:09:07] So this one, be careful what you wish for.

[00:09:09] It's got like scotch tape on the side.

[00:09:12] So I guess it was like falling apart.

[00:09:16] Yeah, I could tell just by how worn they are.

[00:09:19] Yeah.

[00:09:19] Which ones I read.

[00:09:21] Well loved.

[00:09:22] Well loved.

[00:09:23] Yep.

[00:09:23] Yeah, exactly.

[00:09:25] Because then, so these newer ones,

[00:09:28] like these ones you could tell are brand new

[00:09:29] and they don't have the numbering on the side, you know.

[00:09:33] Or I guess it would be up there,

[00:09:35] but they didn't have the numbers here.

[00:09:37] Yeah.

[00:09:37] These came in like a set,

[00:09:39] like I got for my kids to read,

[00:09:41] which they have not read them yet.

[00:09:42] The older one reads a lot, actually.

[00:09:45] Her reading level is very advanced, actually.

[00:09:48] The younger one, though,

[00:09:50] she doesn't want to read these

[00:09:51] because she says she saw somewhere on there

[00:09:54] it said ages eight and up and she's seven.

[00:09:57] So she's like, no, no, it's eight and up.

[00:09:58] I can't read it.

[00:09:59] I'm like, oh, if I say it's okay.

[00:10:01] But, you know.

[00:10:03] A rule follower, I see.

[00:10:05] Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:06] But the older daughter,

[00:10:08] she reads stuff way more advanced than this, actually,

[00:10:10] but she never read Goosebumps.

[00:10:11] So I haven't yet had the chance

[00:10:13] to relive them through my kids yet.

[00:10:15] I might not ever

[00:10:16] because they start, you know,

[00:10:18] certain things they just won't be interested in.

[00:10:20] Nothing you can do about that.

[00:10:22] Exactly.

[00:10:23] Yeah.

[00:10:24] And you don't want to be like

[00:10:25] just forcing your stuff on them,

[00:10:27] like everything that you're interested in.

[00:10:29] Yeah.

[00:10:30] But yeah, go ahead.

[00:10:31] My sisters were the same way

[00:10:33] because, I mean, for me,

[00:10:36] I got into Goosebumps.

[00:10:38] So I wasn't born at the time

[00:10:39] that they were like seriously popular.

[00:10:41] I was born in 01.

[00:10:42] So I missed like the whole 90s craze,

[00:10:44] but I caught them when I was in second grade.

[00:10:46] So this was like 09, 010, stuff like that.

[00:10:50] And I was going through a period

[00:10:53] where I didn't really want to read.

[00:10:54] I was more interested in video games.

[00:10:56] So I would be like playing my DS

[00:10:57] and stuff like that.

[00:10:58] I'm like, I don't want to read.

[00:10:59] But the moment,

[00:11:01] and I'll tell you the thing

[00:11:02] that got me about the Goosebumps books

[00:11:04] right away was the cover art.

[00:11:06] That was the thing that hooked me in

[00:11:08] because it just looked so,

[00:11:09] it would look so creepy

[00:11:11] or just so like interesting.

[00:11:13] Like that's the thing about like a well,

[00:11:15] you know, a well done book

[00:11:18] is that it has cover art that pulls you in

[00:11:20] and makes you want to find out like,

[00:11:22] why does it look like that?

[00:11:24] What is that monster?

[00:11:25] Like you can't scare me.

[00:11:26] That one right there in particular.

[00:11:27] I remember I just loved that cover as a kid

[00:11:30] and made me want to read the book.

[00:11:32] Tim Jacobus was the hook

[00:11:34] that pulled you in with his cover art.

[00:11:35] Exactly.

[00:11:36] That's how he mentioned it to me

[00:11:38] when I had talked to him the first time.

[00:11:40] He was like, you know,

[00:11:40] I'm like the fishing hook

[00:11:42] and I reel you in or no,

[00:11:44] it was like I hook you

[00:11:46] and R.L. Stine reels you in with the story.

[00:11:49] So it's like a one-two punch

[00:11:51] of that sort of thing.

[00:11:53] But once I got into it,

[00:11:55] I was like,

[00:11:55] I went from reading,

[00:11:57] basically not at all

[00:11:58] to like books every week.

[00:12:00] I was going to the library every week.

[00:12:02] I was going to the bookstore every week

[00:12:03] because I just love these books.

[00:12:05] And my sisters kind of caught a little bit of it.

[00:12:08] They never got to the same point that I did,

[00:12:11] maybe for the best,

[00:12:12] but like they would,

[00:12:15] you know,

[00:12:15] want to go get the books themselves.

[00:12:17] My youngest sister,

[00:12:19] she kind of has fallen out of love with it.

[00:12:21] She hasn't read them a lot,

[00:12:22] but for a while she was like,

[00:12:24] can I borrow like some of your Goosebumps books

[00:12:26] so I can read them?

[00:12:27] Like we're reading them in school.

[00:12:28] So it is funny,

[00:12:30] like how certain things can come back

[00:12:34] in modern generations

[00:12:35] and Goosebumps especially.

[00:12:38] Oh yeah.

[00:12:39] Like it definitely had that resurgence

[00:12:42] and I didn't even realize

[00:12:44] how much you sent me that YouTube documentary.

[00:12:47] It was really interesting.

[00:12:48] I didn't realize like how long it went.

[00:12:50] I mean,

[00:12:50] I know it's been recent as well

[00:12:53] because I've seen the Jack Black movie

[00:12:55] and all that,

[00:12:56] but I didn't realize how it like

[00:13:00] it went away for a bit

[00:13:01] and came back and all that.

[00:13:02] Like that was pretty cool.

[00:13:04] Yeah.

[00:13:04] It's an interesting story.

[00:13:06] Definitely.

[00:13:07] Yeah.

[00:13:08] Yes.

[00:13:09] That's cool.

[00:13:09] It's still going strong after all this time

[00:13:11] because I,

[00:13:12] let's see.

[00:13:13] So,

[00:13:13] um,

[00:13:14] I remember when they first started coming out.

[00:13:16] I mean,

[00:13:17] I guess this is still my,

[00:13:18] my original one,

[00:13:19] I guess.

[00:13:20] Um,

[00:13:21] it's,

[00:13:21] it's pretty worn on the side.

[00:13:22] So.

[00:13:24] Is it got a number on the side?

[00:13:25] Uh,

[00:13:26] let's see.

[00:13:26] Uh,

[00:13:27] I mean,

[00:13:27] other than like,

[00:13:28] you know,

[00:13:28] the number one,

[00:13:29] uh,

[00:13:30] am I looking on a certain,

[00:13:31] certain spot?

[00:13:33] Uh,

[00:13:34] well,

[00:13:34] if it didn't have a number one there on the spine.

[00:13:37] Oh yeah.

[00:13:38] Like,

[00:13:38] uh,

[00:13:38] you know,

[00:13:39] an original print,

[00:13:41] but yeah,

[00:13:41] when it has a number one,

[00:13:42] that's when the books got popular.

[00:13:44] I started doing a lot of reprints.

[00:13:47] Yeah.

[00:13:47] Oh,

[00:13:48] that was our collect first.

[00:13:49] That's what you meant.

[00:13:50] Kind of the trial run to see if it was going to make it.

[00:13:54] Well,

[00:13:54] I thought maybe there was like some kind of like code number or something else,

[00:13:57] but,

[00:13:58] uh,

[00:13:58] yeah.

[00:13:59] Yeah.

[00:14:00] Um,

[00:14:02] yeah.

[00:14:02] I'm gonna look at that list really quick.

[00:14:04] Cause,

[00:14:05] um,

[00:14:05] so it looks like,

[00:14:06] uh,

[00:14:07] yes.

[00:14:07] Stay out of the basement.

[00:14:08] I definitely remember that one,

[00:14:10] uh,

[00:14:10] monster blow,

[00:14:11] which I have here.

[00:14:12] Oh,

[00:14:12] say cheese and die.

[00:14:13] I remember,

[00:14:14] being really fascinated with that one.

[00:14:16] Um,

[00:14:17] I didn't realize,

[00:14:18] um,

[00:14:18] until later it was based on a twilight zone episode,

[00:14:21] uh,

[00:14:22] a most unusual camera,

[00:14:24] which actually it's not one of the better twilight zone episodes.

[00:14:27] I think,

[00:14:27] I mean,

[00:14:27] it's a great concept,

[00:14:29] but it's not one of the best made episodes.

[00:14:32] Um,

[00:14:33] but say cheese and die.

[00:14:34] I remember thinking that was just a really cool,

[00:14:36] you know,

[00:14:37] concept with the camera,

[00:14:38] even though,

[00:14:39] even if it wasn't original,

[00:14:40] it was kind of written in a way where I remember,

[00:14:43] um,

[00:14:43] it describing like this death,

[00:14:45] like it took a picture of like somebody who's like,

[00:14:47] uh,

[00:14:48] in the picture,

[00:14:49] they're dead,

[00:14:49] their neck was broken.

[00:14:50] And it described like the twisting of the neck.

[00:14:52] And I remember that kind of like really like messing with me.

[00:14:56] Like that really haunted me.

[00:14:57] Just that image in my head.

[00:15:00] Um,

[00:15:01] so,

[00:15:02] uh,

[00:15:03] yeah,

[00:15:04] curse the mummy's tomb.

[00:15:05] We talked about that one.

[00:15:07] Night living dummies.

[00:15:09] Classic.

[00:15:09] Uh,

[00:15:09] the girl who cried monster.

[00:15:10] I definitely remember,

[00:15:12] you know,

[00:15:12] I have that here.

[00:15:14] Um,

[00:15:15] I remember that one with,

[00:15:16] yeah,

[00:15:16] with the teacher who was the monster.

[00:15:18] Uh,

[00:15:20] and I'm just kind of whipping through them real quick.

[00:15:22] Okay.

[00:15:23] The haunted mask.

[00:15:24] Um,

[00:15:24] I remember that same year or earlier that year,

[00:15:28] I made a movie about a,

[00:15:30] uh,

[00:15:30] haunted mask actually,

[00:15:31] where somebody puts on a mask and they become,

[00:15:33] you know,

[00:15:33] somebody else they're possessed.

[00:15:35] Um,

[00:15:36] so I don't know where that trope originated.

[00:15:37] Like I thought I was influenced by goosebumps,

[00:15:40] but the book came after.

[00:15:41] So,

[00:15:42] um,

[00:15:43] it might've been there.

[00:15:44] There's probably a bunch of origins for that story.

[00:15:48] Yeah.

[00:15:48] I don't know.

[00:15:48] Yeah.

[00:15:49] Maybe you were the first to come up with it before.

[00:15:51] I doubt it.

[00:15:53] We're a trendsetter on that.

[00:15:55] Stein's original,

[00:15:56] uh,

[00:15:57] origin for that one was because his son had a Halloween mask and saw that he

[00:16:02] couldn't get it off.

[00:16:04] He was helping him.

[00:16:06] He went and like jotted down notes.

[00:16:08] Yeah.

[00:16:08] Yeah.

[00:16:09] He started jotting down notes,

[00:16:10] I guess for,

[00:16:11] for inspiration for that story.

[00:16:13] And to this day,

[00:16:14] I think he says it's,

[00:16:15] it's still his favorite one.

[00:16:16] And he's written.

[00:16:18] Oh,

[00:16:18] cool.

[00:16:19] Oh,

[00:16:19] awesome.

[00:16:20] Doesn't.

[00:16:21] That makes sense.

[00:16:22] Cause you know,

[00:16:22] that was the only one I remember reading in one entire sitting,

[00:16:26] which,

[00:16:26] you know,

[00:16:27] I mean,

[00:16:27] they're all,

[00:16:27] they're all very possible to read in one sitting,

[00:16:30] but I would typically read a little here,

[00:16:32] a little there,

[00:16:33] but haunted mask.

[00:16:34] I remember going to bed and was like,

[00:16:36] Oh,

[00:16:36] I'll just read like the first chapter.

[00:16:38] And I got so engrossed with it that I ended up finishing it all right

[00:16:42] before bed.

[00:16:43] That's the RL.

[00:16:45] I understand.

[00:16:46] My obsession has been for almost,

[00:16:50] well,

[00:16:50] over 30 years with the book.

[00:16:52] So yeah,

[00:16:53] no,

[00:16:53] Stein had a sneaky way of doing his writing because every single chapter

[00:16:57] would be a cliffhanger.

[00:16:58] So it was in that situation where if you're reading and you're like,

[00:17:02] okay,

[00:17:02] I'll probably read to this chapter and then be done.

[00:17:04] It's like,

[00:17:04] no,

[00:17:05] there's a cliffhanger.

[00:17:06] And then you're like,

[00:17:06] yeah,

[00:17:06] yeah.

[00:17:07] I got to know what happens.

[00:17:09] Yeah.

[00:17:09] That,

[00:17:10] that I think was my first like criticism toward a goose bump books.

[00:17:14] Like at a certain point I was like,

[00:17:15] Oh,

[00:17:15] come on.

[00:17:16] You're going to pull that again.

[00:17:18] And a lot of times it would be a false scare.

[00:17:20] It wouldn't even be like,

[00:17:21] I guarantee if I just go to any chapter here,

[00:17:25] let me just go to the end of any random chapter.

[00:17:28] Okay.

[00:17:28] End of chapter 12.

[00:17:31] And saw the tall lean monster staggered toward me.

[00:17:35] It's face dripping with dark blood.

[00:17:37] There you go.

[00:17:38] Yeah.

[00:17:39] So it's like,

[00:17:39] well,

[00:17:39] wait,

[00:17:40] I can't stop now.

[00:17:41] I got to know what.

[00:17:42] Yeah.

[00:17:43] Yeah.

[00:17:43] The next chapter,

[00:17:44] the next,

[00:17:44] the beginning of the next chapter,

[00:17:45] something like it was just like a big giant poster or something.

[00:17:49] And you're like,

[00:17:49] yeah,

[00:17:50] yeah.

[00:17:50] It's the cat or something.

[00:17:52] Yeah.

[00:17:52] Yeah.

[00:17:52] Or it's like a big dog.

[00:17:55] Yeah.

[00:17:57] He was a sneaky guy.

[00:17:58] He was a sneaky guy.

[00:17:59] He was reeling you in.

[00:18:00] Like you said,

[00:18:01] he was smart.

[00:18:02] He kept adding bait.

[00:18:03] He kept like,

[00:18:04] Oh,

[00:18:04] we've got to put more bait on that.

[00:18:05] Yeah.

[00:18:06] Yeah.

[00:18:07] And the thing about goosebumps was that,

[00:18:09] uh,

[00:18:10] you know,

[00:18:11] when that came out,

[00:18:12] it wasn't,

[00:18:13] it was kind of the first of its kind.

[00:18:15] Like,

[00:18:16] you know,

[00:18:16] you obviously had books that were horror intended and there were like young adult

[00:18:20] books,

[00:18:21] but like the closest you got was maybe like teens,

[00:18:24] that sort of thing.

[00:18:25] So you were still into sort of like,

[00:18:27] uh,

[00:18:27] like my mind is going to fear street.

[00:18:30] So RL Stein's first series or goosebumps,

[00:18:33] that was more for older teens,

[00:18:35] but that dealt a lot more with like ghosts and demons and,

[00:18:39] uh,

[00:18:39] murderers and stuff like that.

[00:18:41] So it was like,

[00:18:42] still not necessarily intended for kids,

[00:18:44] but here comes goosebumps.

[00:18:46] It was,

[00:18:47] it was made with kids in mind.

[00:18:49] Um,

[00:18:49] and that writing style,

[00:18:52] while,

[00:18:52] you know,

[00:18:53] we can talk about how frustrating it was for us to put the book down.

[00:18:57] Uh,

[00:18:57] it was,

[00:18:58] it really was like genius because it kind of played into the curiosity of a

[00:19:03] kid.

[00:19:04] Like you want to know what's going to happen in the next chapter.

[00:19:07] So,

[00:19:08] I mean,

[00:19:09] if,

[00:19:09] if that was intentional,

[00:19:10] then by God,

[00:19:11] he did it.

[00:19:12] Yeah,

[00:19:13] it works.

[00:19:13] Yeah,

[00:19:14] it totally did.

[00:19:15] Um,

[00:19:16] and speaking of other books,

[00:19:17] the most glorious book is welcome to dead house.

[00:19:19] I mean,

[00:19:19] it talks about how like skin peeling off and like head being smashed against a skull

[00:19:25] being smashed against a grave because in welcome dead house,

[00:19:28] he was writing this,

[00:19:29] but he didn't really have the balance yet of,

[00:19:32] you know,

[00:19:32] the silly goofy and the horror.

[00:19:34] So he just went straight up horror with welcome to dead house.

[00:19:37] So like the,

[00:19:37] the,

[00:19:38] like the,

[00:19:38] the gross descriptive details really were like there in the first,

[00:19:42] I'd say maybe 20 books by the time it started going on,

[00:19:46] it became a little more goofy and campy,

[00:19:48] which I mean,

[00:19:49] it's totally fine,

[00:19:50] but you sort of lost sort of the,

[00:19:51] the dark edge and like earlier books,

[00:19:55] but they also didn't think that they were going to get so many.

[00:19:59] Um,

[00:19:59] in fact,

[00:20:00] actually they were originally scholastic was originally considering ending the

[00:20:04] series at book six.

[00:20:06] So like,

[00:20:07] but because they were so popular,

[00:20:08] they were like,

[00:20:08] I guess we got to do more.

[00:20:10] Oh,

[00:20:10] wow.

[00:20:11] So,

[00:20:12] um,

[00:20:13] speaking of other scary books,

[00:20:15] uh,

[00:20:15] I'm curious because,

[00:20:17] um,

[00:20:17] as we said,

[00:20:18] there was a lot of other,

[00:20:20] you know,

[00:20:20] books that were like horror intended before goosebumps and after,

[00:20:24] uh,

[00:20:25] were there any other,

[00:20:26] uh,

[00:20:26] like sort of books or authors that you like found yourself reading around that

[00:20:30] time?

[00:20:31] Oh yeah.

[00:20:32] Um,

[00:20:33] I mean,

[00:20:34] fear street,

[00:20:34] I read a couple of those and,

[00:20:37] uh,

[00:20:38] I think,

[00:20:39] um,

[00:20:41] you know,

[00:20:41] I was actually,

[00:20:42] I'm,

[00:20:42] when did I start reading?

[00:20:44] I started reading Michael Crichton once Jurassic park came out.

[00:20:47] So that would have been 90.

[00:20:49] Yeah.

[00:20:50] Yeah.

[00:20:51] Even before that,

[00:20:52] maybe.

[00:20:52] Cause that's when the movie came out,

[00:20:54] but,

[00:20:54] um,

[00:20:55] yeah.

[00:20:56] And,

[00:20:56] uh,

[00:20:56] I also,

[00:20:57] yeah.

[00:20:58] Scary stories to tell in the dark,

[00:21:00] that series of,

[00:21:01] uh,

[00:21:01] Oh yes.

[00:21:02] Yeah.

[00:21:03] Yeah.

[00:21:03] With a really scary,

[00:21:04] uh,

[00:21:04] illustrations.

[00:21:06] Yeah.

[00:21:06] Those things are creepy.

[00:21:07] Did you ever watch the movie?

[00:21:10] Oh no,

[00:21:10] I haven't.

[00:21:11] How is it?

[00:21:12] It's a,

[00:21:12] it's a pretty,

[00:21:13] I enjoyed it.

[00:21:14] Um,

[00:21:14] it's,

[00:21:15] it's certainly,

[00:21:16] uh,

[00:21:17] it's,

[00:21:17] it's a PG 13 movie,

[00:21:18] so it's not like super gory,

[00:21:20] but I mean,

[00:21:21] they skirt the lines at times,

[00:21:23] but the practical effects are awesome.

[00:21:26] Mm.

[00:21:26] And they do a good job.

[00:21:27] That was one thing I'll give it super good props for.

[00:21:30] They do a lot of movies do a lot of practical effects from the books too.

[00:21:34] Yeah.

[00:21:34] They brought that to life.

[00:21:36] Harold,

[00:21:36] the scale,

[00:21:37] uh,

[00:21:37] Harold,

[00:21:37] the,

[00:21:38] the scarecrow,

[00:21:39] uh,

[00:21:39] is on a lot of the,

[00:21:40] the posters and advertising,

[00:21:42] but then you have like the pale lady and you have the jangle,

[00:21:46] uh,

[00:21:46] the jangle man.

[00:21:47] And,

[00:21:48] uh,

[00:21:48] it's like right out of the book.

[00:21:49] So I would definitely recommend it,

[00:21:51] uh,

[00:21:52] to anyone who,

[00:21:52] you know,

[00:21:53] read the books growing up,

[00:21:54] but,

[00:21:55] uh,

[00:21:55] and then there's also Stephen King who usually gets roped in with RL

[00:22:00] Stein.

[00:22:00] Um,

[00:22:01] they even had a whole joke about that in the goosebumps movie where

[00:22:04] RL Stein gets really mad when he's compared to Stephen King.

[00:22:07] Oh,

[00:22:08] okay.

[00:22:09] He's like,

[00:22:10] let me tell you about Steve King.

[00:22:12] You wish you could write like me.

[00:22:14] They are very different sides of the spectrum though.

[00:22:18] So definitely.

[00:22:20] Well,

[00:22:21] apparently the magazine,

[00:22:22] they,

[00:22:22] they wrote that RL Stein was a training bra for Stephen King.

[00:22:27] Oh,

[00:22:30] so it was like you read RL Stein and then you go to Stephen King like

[00:22:34] that.

[00:22:34] Yeah.

[00:22:35] Oh,

[00:22:35] okay.

[00:22:36] Well,

[00:22:36] I remember I was talking with,

[00:22:37] uh,

[00:22:38] when I met,

[00:22:39] uh,

[00:22:39] Doug Walker at a con,

[00:22:41] he told me that like,

[00:22:42] he didn't read goosebumps growing up because they were busy reading

[00:22:45] Stephen King.

[00:22:46] So like that was their,

[00:22:49] their series that they,

[00:22:50] that they read.

[00:22:52] It could work both ways.

[00:22:54] Yeah.

[00:22:54] Yeah.

[00:22:54] Yeah.

[00:22:54] For sure.

[00:22:55] I know I was reading a,

[00:22:57] like Poe also like a lot of Edgar Allen Poe,

[00:23:00] um,

[00:23:02] which,

[00:23:03] which is,

[00:23:03] is a lot more difficult.

[00:23:05] You know,

[00:23:06] the,

[00:23:06] a lot of the,

[00:23:06] uh,

[00:23:07] the,

[00:23:07] the old time wording,

[00:23:09] um,

[00:23:11] and very,

[00:23:11] very vague kind of stories.

[00:23:13] Like sometimes like they,

[00:23:15] like the stories aren't really meant to make a whole lot of sense,

[00:23:18] you know?

[00:23:18] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:19] Yeah.

[00:23:20] They just,

[00:23:20] uh,

[00:23:21] they create a nice Gothic atmosphere though.

[00:23:23] And like the way,

[00:23:24] uh,

[00:23:25] and the imagery that they,

[00:23:27] and that's another thing about goosebumps is that I'm,

[00:23:30] I'm so glad that even now they never did books really with pictures.

[00:23:36] Um,

[00:23:37] because even,

[00:23:37] especially as a kid,

[00:23:39] and,

[00:23:39] uh,

[00:23:39] I know you said that you had a very creative imagination.

[00:23:42] Um,

[00:23:43] anybody who reads those books,

[00:23:45] like,

[00:23:45] I feel you get way more out of a book when there's no pictures because you can just imagine in your head what a creature looks like or what,

[00:23:55] uh,

[00:23:55] sort of the more gory aspects of something.

[00:23:57] Um,

[00:23:58] it's way better than the cover.

[00:24:00] Yeah,

[00:24:01] exactly.

[00:24:01] So you get like that taste on the cover,

[00:24:03] but it's all left up to you and your imagination to fill in the blanks as you read.

[00:24:08] And,

[00:24:09] I feel like that's part of,

[00:24:12] literature and especially in the horror.

[00:24:13] Yeah.

[00:24:15] Yeah.

[00:24:15] You know,

[00:24:15] what's really weird is like,

[00:24:16] I,

[00:24:17] I,

[00:24:17] when I look at the,

[00:24:18] uh,

[00:24:18] the list of the Goosebump books and like when they were all released,

[00:24:21] it,

[00:24:22] for one thing,

[00:24:22] I thought I remember them being released more frequent than they were actually.

[00:24:26] Like,

[00:24:27] it seems like it was like one,

[00:24:29] uh,

[00:24:29] one a month or one every month.

[00:24:31] And sometimes there were two in a month.

[00:24:33] Right.

[00:24:34] Um,

[00:24:35] and when they were coming out,

[00:24:37] I remember it seemed like it was a lot faster.

[00:24:40] And,

[00:24:40] and I guess,

[00:24:41] cause there was also fear street and everything.

[00:24:43] And I was like,

[00:24:43] how can this one guy be writing so many books?

[00:24:45] You know,

[00:24:45] like,

[00:24:46] this is crazy.

[00:24:47] And,

[00:24:48] um,

[00:24:49] another thing was like,

[00:24:50] I thought it went on for more,

[00:24:51] or I thought I was reading them for longer than I did,

[00:24:54] but it seems like I probably,

[00:24:57] I'm thinking the last one I read was either,

[00:24:59] um,

[00:25:01] uh,

[00:25:01] well,

[00:25:02] I remember the one with the B here.

[00:25:03] I have it.

[00:25:04] Uh,

[00:25:04] it's number,

[00:25:05] uh,

[00:25:05] 17.

[00:25:06] And I remember,

[00:25:08] like I clearly read it because it's all worn out,

[00:25:10] but I,

[00:25:10] I remember thinking that this cover looked kind of silly with the kid's head on the B.

[00:25:15] Um,

[00:25:16] and then I think,

[00:25:18] I mean,

[00:25:18] you could tell me if this,

[00:25:19] if,

[00:25:19] if this is right.

[00:25:21] Um,

[00:25:21] but go eat worms.

[00:25:23] That,

[00:25:23] that was number 21.

[00:25:25] I remember that one being like,

[00:25:27] if that's the book I'm remembering,

[00:25:29] I remember it being really disgusting.

[00:25:31] Um,

[00:25:33] like,

[00:25:33] uh,

[00:25:33] do,

[00:25:33] is there a part where like the worms are underneath,

[00:25:36] uh,

[00:25:36] the flesh,

[00:25:37] like it gets into the skin or something?

[00:25:39] Yes.

[00:25:40] Uh,

[00:25:40] I,

[00:25:40] I do at one point,

[00:25:42] I think it's like a dream sequence,

[00:25:43] but yeah,

[00:25:44] it,

[00:25:44] it,

[00:25:45] they do describe like how it's like crawling under his skin.

[00:25:48] And funny enough,

[00:25:49] um,

[00:25:50] there's a new goose bump show on Disney plus the first season came out last

[00:25:53] October.

[00:25:54] Um,

[00:25:54] and they did an adaptation of that book and they brought that into the

[00:26:00] episode.

[00:26:00] So the way the worm,

[00:26:02] they,

[00:26:02] they sort of changed it though.

[00:26:03] So in that episode,

[00:26:05] the worms sort of like take over the kid's body.

[00:26:08] And it's almost like I equated it to like the symbiote to Spider-Man.

[00:26:12] Okay.

[00:26:13] It's almost like venom.

[00:26:14] And whenever he,

[00:26:15] he's like a daredevil.

[00:26:16] So he's doing like all these crazy stunts.

[00:26:19] And one of them,

[00:26:20] he like rides his motorbike off the school.

[00:26:22] And I think he breaks like his collarbone.

[00:26:24] So his neck's like all kind of messed up and there's a bone sticking out.

[00:26:28] And then you just see crawling underneath and it like fixes the bone.

[00:26:32] And then it like goes back in and it's like,

[00:26:37] it's disturbing.

[00:26:38] It really is.

[00:26:39] Wow.

[00:26:40] Um,

[00:26:41] so I wonder then if that's,

[00:26:42] that's,

[00:26:43] that's July 94.

[00:26:45] That would mean I'd been reading the books for two years by then.

[00:26:49] And I'm looking at the titles for the next ones.

[00:26:52] I don't really remember any of the other ones I'm seeing.

[00:26:57] Or maybe,

[00:26:58] maybe.

[00:26:59] Cause I would like the kids,

[00:27:01] you know,

[00:27:01] like,

[00:27:02] cause you said you were,

[00:27:02] I think 12 when you read welcome to dead house.

[00:27:05] And by 94,

[00:27:06] you would have already been like 14.

[00:27:08] So.

[00:27:09] Yeah.

[00:27:10] It would have been reading like Stephen King and fear street.

[00:27:12] Like you would have transitioned into the more adult.

[00:27:15] Yeah.

[00:27:16] Yeah.

[00:27:17] But I'm,

[00:27:17] I'm wondering it's,

[00:27:19] it's,

[00:27:19] it's possible that maybe the worm one grossed me out enough to stop

[00:27:23] reading them.

[00:27:24] I don't know.

[00:27:26] Very possible.

[00:27:27] And to tell you the truth,

[00:27:29] go eat worms is not a well looked back on book because of how gross it

[00:27:34] is.

[00:27:34] It was kind of like the one that pushed the boundaries just a little too

[00:27:37] far.

[00:27:38] And I don't think they ever did anything.

[00:27:39] I don't think he ever did anything like it again.

[00:27:42] Oh,

[00:27:43] really?

[00:27:43] That's interesting.

[00:27:44] Yeah,

[00:27:45] it was,

[00:27:45] it was,

[00:27:46] it is a very gross book and a very gross TV episode too.

[00:27:50] They did two adaptations for the,

[00:27:52] Oh,

[00:27:53] really?

[00:27:54] And the new one.

[00:27:55] Wow.

[00:27:56] Yeah.

[00:27:56] It was not a great episode.

[00:27:57] It's considered like one of the worst episodes,

[00:27:59] but then oddly did one of the best episodes in the new Disney show,

[00:28:05] like one of the better ones.

[00:28:07] So it's like,

[00:28:07] the worst episode and the best episode.

[00:28:10] So.

[00:28:10] Huh.

[00:28:11] I don't know.

[00:28:12] Well,

[00:28:13] I'm going to reread some of these some time,

[00:28:15] but they had that worm one.

[00:28:16] I'm going to have to reread that.

[00:28:18] And I just want to see like,

[00:28:19] what was it in there that really,

[00:28:20] you know,

[00:28:21] I,

[00:28:22] you know,

[00:28:22] got under my skin,

[00:28:23] you know,

[00:28:24] so to speak.

[00:28:26] So to speak.

[00:28:28] But that means you didn't make it the chicken,

[00:28:30] chicken.

[00:28:30] And that's,

[00:28:31] that's a,

[00:28:31] that's a terrible tragedy right there.

[00:28:33] What's it called again?

[00:28:35] Chicken,

[00:28:35] chicken,

[00:28:36] chicken,

[00:28:36] chicken,

[00:28:36] number 53.

[00:28:38] Okay.

[00:28:39] That's a lot.

[00:28:40] It is a greatest.

[00:28:41] Ever written.

[00:28:42] Great.

[00:28:43] Weirdest.

[00:28:44] Franchise.

[00:28:45] Okay.

[00:28:46] Underrated.

[00:28:49] No.

[00:28:50] And I'm curious to,

[00:28:52] to know because so you,

[00:28:54] you caught the goosebumps series in its very early years.

[00:28:58] Did you notice like,

[00:29:00] sort of like the big boom in popularity it had,

[00:29:03] it wouldn't have had it super big in 92,

[00:29:06] three,

[00:29:06] four,

[00:29:07] but like around 95,

[00:29:08] six,

[00:29:09] like,

[00:29:09] did you start seeing it like pop up a little more?

[00:29:12] I don't remember.

[00:29:14] I don't,

[00:29:14] I feel like,

[00:29:17] I don't really recall any seeing any goosebumps stuff for a while.

[00:29:22] Even the TV show somehow,

[00:29:24] like it totally slipped by me until later.

[00:29:28] I think I saw it.

[00:29:29] I happened to just catch it on TV one time.

[00:29:31] I was like,

[00:29:31] Oh my gosh,

[00:29:32] a goosebumps show.

[00:29:33] Really?

[00:29:35] Yeah.

[00:29:35] I happened to have Adam West in the episode I was watching.

[00:29:38] Yeah.

[00:29:40] No,

[00:29:40] Oh,

[00:29:41] I mean,

[00:29:42] yeah.

[00:29:44] And I'm so,

[00:29:46] Oh,

[00:29:47] that means you miss the games then the,

[00:29:49] the,

[00:29:49] the original.

[00:29:50] Oh yeah.

[00:29:51] Yeah.

[00:29:52] Yeah.

[00:29:52] Yep.

[00:29:52] So I did want to bring up because,

[00:29:54] uh,

[00:29:55] you know,

[00:29:55] you,

[00:29:55] you do talk about movies,

[00:29:57] but you do talk about video games.

[00:29:58] Um,

[00:29:59] there were some goosebumps video games,

[00:30:02] mostly PC games,

[00:30:04] but you know,

[00:30:04] video games nonetheless,

[00:30:06] uh,

[00:30:06] that one right there,

[00:30:07] escape from horror land.

[00:30:09] Funny enough was developed by,

[00:30:10] dream works.

[00:30:11] It was directed by Steven Spielberg and it had Jeff Goldblum as a vampire in it.

[00:30:17] For real.

[00:30:18] Wow.

[00:30:19] Yeah.

[00:30:19] I think it was in that documentary you sent me.

[00:30:22] Um,

[00:30:23] they,

[00:30:23] they showed some clips of it in there.

[00:30:24] Yeah.

[00:30:25] That was the first time I heard of it.

[00:30:27] Yeah.

[00:30:27] It was,

[00:30:28] it was a very weird game.

[00:30:29] I've never played it.

[00:30:31] I hope someday I can.

[00:30:33] Um,

[00:30:33] but it's seen a lot of copies.

[00:30:35] Um,

[00:30:35] when it came out,

[00:30:36] like it was very,

[00:30:37] um,

[00:30:38] popular,

[00:30:38] like when it came out,

[00:30:39] it's,

[00:30:39] I can't remember how many,

[00:30:41] but so many million units were sold.

[00:30:43] Like,

[00:30:43] but obviously it was craze.

[00:30:46] I mean,

[00:30:47] probably a lot of parents just bought it,

[00:30:49] you know,

[00:30:49] thinking like,

[00:30:50] Oh yeah.

[00:30:50] Goosebumps game.

[00:30:51] Like my kid who reads them is going to love this,

[00:30:53] you know?

[00:30:53] So it was,

[00:30:54] it was very popular,

[00:30:56] but,

[00:30:56] um,

[00:30:57] yeah,

[00:30:58] I don't know.

[00:30:59] It's slipped by,

[00:31:00] it also slipped by a lot of people too.

[00:31:02] So yeah.

[00:31:03] Wow.

[00:31:04] Did you ever have a book that you like considered your favorite at the time?

[00:31:09] Like if you can,

[00:31:09] if you can remember.

[00:31:11] Oh yeah.

[00:31:11] You know what?

[00:31:12] I think it was sphere by Michael Crichton because I was just kind of like,

[00:31:17] it's ever since Jurassic park or the movie came out.

[00:31:20] I was just reading all of his books and,

[00:31:23] I mean,

[00:31:24] I don't know what made me so obsessed with them.

[00:31:25] I think it was just like that one movie.

[00:31:28] And then every,

[00:31:28] every book was so different.

[00:31:31] But I,

[00:31:32] I just started going through them and,

[00:31:34] and sphere.

[00:31:35] I remember like,

[00:31:37] I just loving that book where I got read it twice,

[00:31:39] like in a row.

[00:31:42] So yeah.

[00:31:43] I mean,

[00:31:43] I haven't read it in a long time to,

[00:31:45] to,

[00:31:45] to recall what it was that like fascinated me so much,

[00:31:49] but,

[00:31:49] but yeah,

[00:31:50] that one at the time was,

[00:31:52] I was really big on that.

[00:31:54] Speaking of Jurassic park,

[00:31:56] I actually rewatched the movie recently.

[00:31:58] I haven't watched it too many times in my life.

[00:32:01] I rewatched it recently of some friends and I'm just blown away by like,

[00:32:04] that was 93.

[00:32:06] And just like the,

[00:32:07] the clever mix of,

[00:32:10] you know,

[00:32:10] practical animatronics,

[00:32:12] puppetry and CGI,

[00:32:14] like early CGI was just incredible for a movie like that.

[00:32:18] And I'm always told by like people in my family,

[00:32:21] just like how much of an experience it was seeing that movie in the theater

[00:32:26] back then,

[00:32:27] like just how incredible it really was.

[00:32:30] So I can,

[00:32:30] I can definitely understand how the interest spiked up in Michael Crichton's

[00:32:35] work.

[00:32:36] Yeah.

[00:32:37] Yeah.

[00:32:37] It's still today.

[00:32:38] My favorite film.

[00:32:40] It's awesome.

[00:32:41] It was such a masterpiece.

[00:32:42] Like,

[00:32:42] so I,

[00:32:43] I was more than 85.

[00:32:44] So I grew up in the nineties and got to experience all that stuff.

[00:32:48] I mean,

[00:32:48] nineties was a great time.

[00:32:49] I mean,

[00:32:50] you had goosebumps.

[00:32:50] You had dress park,

[00:32:51] you had Batman,

[00:32:52] the animated series,

[00:32:53] you had X-Men,

[00:32:53] the animated series,

[00:32:54] Spider-Man,

[00:32:55] the animated series.

[00:32:57] I mean,

[00:32:57] there,

[00:32:57] it just was endless.

[00:32:58] There was just so much stuff out there to watch,

[00:33:01] whether it was movies or TV,

[00:33:03] but Jurassic park was a game changer.

[00:33:05] Uh,

[00:33:06] and I,

[00:33:06] I don't know.

[00:33:07] Did you ever get to watch the,

[00:33:08] uh,

[00:33:08] the behind the scenes featurettes on it?

[00:33:10] Like at the time they were trying to do clay animation,

[00:33:12] I think with the dinosaur stuff,

[00:33:14] but then CGI.

[00:33:16] Yeah.

[00:33:19] It made everybody have to step up their game because it was like this

[00:33:22] crossroads,

[00:33:23] like which one's going to win?

[00:33:24] Is it going to be the CGI or is it going to be the stop motion?

[00:33:28] So they had to like really,

[00:33:29] um,

[00:33:31] much as the stop motion,

[00:33:32] but the animatronics as well.

[00:33:33] And,

[00:33:35] everybody who was there was bringing their a game to the table.

[00:33:38] Like,

[00:33:38] it's like,

[00:33:39] we got to make this the best possible because like,

[00:33:42] you know,

[00:33:43] our field is like the future depends on it.

[00:33:47] And it was kind of sad to see like Phil Tippett,

[00:33:49] he didn't get to do like all the stop motion that he wanted,

[00:33:52] but like what,

[00:33:53] what,

[00:33:53] where they chose to do with that movie was like the right choice.

[00:33:57] But then I agree.

[00:33:58] Like,

[00:33:59] yeah.

[00:33:59] But like,

[00:34:00] since then a lot of movies were like,

[00:34:01] Oh,

[00:34:02] we can just do CG without really like taking it all into account.

[00:34:05] That's like,

[00:34:06] well,

[00:34:06] that movie was a combination of everything.

[00:34:10] Yeah.

[00:34:10] It would not have been the movie.

[00:34:13] It was,

[00:34:13] I mean,

[00:34:14] it had a great story.

[00:34:14] Don't get me wrong on a great cast,

[00:34:16] but obviously the dinosaurs are the stars and the no that stands when Stan

[00:34:21] Winston's dinosaur animatronics are there.

[00:34:25] Like physically there is a whole different tone than just CGI.

[00:34:30] Yeah.

[00:34:31] Yeah.

[00:34:31] Even stop motion.

[00:34:33] Yeah.

[00:34:33] So it had to be both.

[00:34:35] I don't think it would have been as popular if it was one or the other.

[00:34:40] Yeah.

[00:34:40] If I,

[00:34:41] if I was a kid and I saw that coming at me,

[00:34:43] I'd,

[00:34:43] that T-Rex,

[00:34:44] I'd be screaming.

[00:34:45] Like I would,

[00:34:46] it would be authentic.

[00:34:48] Yeah.

[00:34:49] Yeah.

[00:34:49] I don't know how Spielberg did it that year because the same year he was,

[00:34:55] I mean,

[00:34:55] the big stress on Spielberg though,

[00:34:58] that the,

[00:34:59] the Jurassic Park was Schindler's list.

[00:35:01] That's right.

[00:35:02] Because the magic matter of that film is so intense.

[00:35:05] And the stories,

[00:35:07] when he was doing Jurassic Park,

[00:35:09] like,

[00:35:10] you know,

[00:35:10] he was so stressed out because he was trying to make Schindler's list,

[00:35:14] which was like,

[00:35:15] and obviously he won the Oscar for best director for that.

[00:35:18] And I mean,

[00:35:19] rightfully so.

[00:35:20] Cause that,

[00:35:21] I only watched that for the first time a few months ago and it was insane.

[00:35:25] Oh yeah.

[00:35:26] Yeah.

[00:35:27] Yeah.

[00:35:27] Yeah.

[00:35:27] Like to think that he had Jurassic Park and Schindler's list going on at the

[00:35:32] same time.

[00:35:33] Yeah.

[00:35:34] How,

[00:35:35] how that man did that.

[00:35:36] I don't know.

[00:35:37] The powerhouse director.

[00:35:38] Yeah.

[00:35:39] Like the two completely different movies.

[00:35:42] Um,

[00:35:43] yeah.

[00:35:43] I mean,

[00:35:43] that's really amazing.

[00:35:44] That's like one of the all time,

[00:35:46] like just,

[00:35:48] like achievements there.

[00:35:49] Like to,

[00:35:50] I mean,

[00:35:51] of course,

[00:35:51] like it was like,

[00:35:53] Jurassic Park was like in post or whatever,

[00:35:55] when he was doing that or whatever was going on.

[00:35:57] But like,

[00:35:58] uh,

[00:35:59] it,

[00:36:00] it,

[00:36:00] it's still like,

[00:36:00] yeah,

[00:36:01] like you said,

[00:36:01] it really is like,

[00:36:02] it's two movies going on at the same time,

[00:36:04] both released the same year.

[00:36:06] That's,

[00:36:06] that's nuts.

[00:36:08] Yeah,

[00:36:08] it really is.

[00:36:09] And both classics,

[00:36:11] like he managed to make two movies at the same time that would both go on to be like,

[00:36:17] if I'm assuming so critical and commercial successes,

[00:36:20] like,

[00:36:21] that's crazy for one director to do that.

[00:36:23] Um,

[00:36:24] God,

[00:36:25] it was crazy.

[00:36:26] There was,

[00:36:26] I don't know if you saw that Steven Spielberg documentary,

[00:36:29] but while he was on the set of Jurassic Park,

[00:36:32] they said anytime he had downtime,

[00:36:34] he was sitting in a different room,

[00:36:35] just scratching his head with the Schinders list,

[00:36:38] like script,

[00:36:39] like just,

[00:36:40] like,

[00:36:41] how am I?

[00:36:42] Do you know what I mean?

[00:36:43] Is this a,

[00:36:44] uh,

[00:36:44] like a documentary all about Spielberg?

[00:36:47] Yeah.

[00:36:47] It was like this whole thing about it.

[00:36:49] Uh,

[00:36:50] I got to check that out.

[00:36:51] What's what's,

[00:36:52] you know what it's called?

[00:36:54] Uh,

[00:36:55] I can't remember the name,

[00:36:57] but if you just,

[00:36:58] I'll look,

[00:36:59] I'll look it up.

[00:36:59] Yeah.

[00:36:59] I'll look it up later.

[00:37:01] It'll come up right away.

[00:37:02] I,

[00:37:02] I,

[00:37:03] I'm going to say it was on one,

[00:37:05] it was on one of the streaming services.

[00:37:07] So,

[00:37:07] uh,

[00:37:07] I think I can't remember which one,

[00:37:09] but yeah,

[00:37:10] it was,

[00:37:10] uh,

[00:37:11] it was incredible to watch.

[00:37:12] Cause it talked about like just everything,

[00:37:14] like from how he was this unknown director to jaws,

[00:37:18] you know what I mean?

[00:37:19] Like he was given that chance and then leading up to what he,

[00:37:23] you know,

[00:37:23] what he's achieved today.

[00:37:24] It was just honestly,

[00:37:25] like I was,

[00:37:26] it's pumping by the end of this documentary.

[00:37:28] Nice.

[00:37:29] That's awesome.

[00:37:31] Cool.

[00:37:31] Awesome.

[00:37:32] I want to go back really quickly to,

[00:37:33] uh,

[00:37:34] the goosebumps TV show.

[00:37:36] Uh,

[00:37:36] so you had said that you only caught it recently.

[00:37:39] Have you had a chance to sort of check out any other episodes of the,

[00:37:43] Oh no.

[00:37:44] And even,

[00:37:44] even that was so long ago.

[00:37:46] I like never got around to it.

[00:37:49] I think maybe a few times I would like find it on streaming and put it on

[00:37:52] like in the background or something,

[00:37:54] but I never really like watched much of it.

[00:37:56] Um,

[00:37:57] unfortunately I kind of just missed that whole thing.

[00:38:00] I would definitely recommend it.

[00:38:02] Uh,

[00:38:02] because I,

[00:38:03] I know you did a monster madness review on,

[00:38:05] uh,

[00:38:05] are you afraid of the dark,

[00:38:06] which is,

[00:38:07] I mean,

[00:38:07] that was a great show in and of itself,

[00:38:09] but goosebumps was definitely,

[00:38:12] it was funny too,

[00:38:13] because it's always being compared goosebumps.

[00:38:16] Sorry for the dark.

[00:38:17] Um,

[00:38:18] goosebumps was definitely more of the sort of sillier one.

[00:38:21] It definitely had its,

[00:38:22] its scary moments,

[00:38:23] but,

[00:38:24] um,

[00:38:24] um,

[00:38:24] I feel like dark sort of was better at sort of the scares where goosebumps was

[00:38:30] more of like the more funny,

[00:38:32] silly one.

[00:38:33] And that was by design,

[00:38:34] uh,

[00:38:36] because they wanted to make it.

[00:38:37] So it wasn't completely alienating to its target audience.

[00:38:40] Um,

[00:38:41] but it did,

[00:38:42] it still did manage to get in some,

[00:38:43] some creepy stuff.

[00:38:44] We,

[00:38:45] um,

[00:38:46] we,

[00:38:46] we,

[00:38:46] I mean,

[00:38:46] we've talked about like what we consider the scariest episodes.

[00:38:49] Um,

[00:38:50] but I would definitely recommend checking out,

[00:38:52] uh,

[00:38:53] definitely a few episodes,

[00:38:54] especially around Halloween time.

[00:38:55] Uh,

[00:38:56] the haunted mask,

[00:38:57] uh,

[00:38:57] one and two great.

[00:39:00] Oh,

[00:39:00] cool.

[00:39:01] Great ones.

[00:39:02] Attack of the jack-o'-lanterns is another Halloween one.

[00:39:04] Um,

[00:39:05] that one's really,

[00:39:06] really fun.

[00:39:07] Anything slappy in it.

[00:39:09] Um,

[00:39:10] yeah,

[00:39:10] there's a ton of really good ones.

[00:39:12] Welcome to dead house.

[00:39:12] If you want,

[00:39:13] like just creep factor,

[00:39:14] that's a good one.

[00:39:15] Um,

[00:39:16] okay,

[00:39:16] cool.

[00:39:17] Any of the two potters really that got released on VHS.

[00:39:21] yeah.

[00:39:21] We're all fever swamp.

[00:39:22] Oh,

[00:39:24] yeah.

[00:39:25] Camp nightmare is a really good one.

[00:39:27] Um,

[00:39:27] yeah,

[00:39:28] they're all,

[00:39:28] they're all fantastic.

[00:39:30] Those like two part ones.

[00:39:31] Oh,

[00:39:32] nice.

[00:39:32] Now I will interject.

[00:39:33] There is one thing I found.

[00:39:36] It is a documentary called Spielberg.

[00:39:39] I do believe that's the only documentary that I found,

[00:39:42] but it is on,

[00:39:42] uh,

[00:39:43] max.

[00:39:44] Okay.

[00:39:44] Awesome.

[00:39:46] It's just called Spielberg.

[00:39:49] Okay.

[00:39:49] Yeah.

[00:39:49] Simple enough.

[00:39:50] Yep.

[00:39:51] Easy enough.

[00:39:53] Oh,

[00:39:53] easy enough to forget.

[00:39:55] Yeah.

[00:39:56] Um,

[00:39:57] but,

[00:39:58] uh,

[00:39:58] yeah,

[00:39:59] I would definitely recommend the goosebumps TV show,

[00:40:01] but you did say you caught,

[00:40:02] the Jack black,

[00:40:04] uh,

[00:40:04] movie.

[00:40:05] I would assume the first one at least.

[00:40:07] What did you end up thinking of that film?

[00:40:09] Oh,

[00:40:10] I enjoyed it.

[00:40:11] Yeah.

[00:40:11] I thought it was pretty cool.

[00:40:12] It was an interesting way to go about it and have him be RL

[00:40:16] Stein in a,

[00:40:17] in a movie about goosebumps.

[00:40:18] Like it was kind of cool.

[00:40:20] Well,

[00:40:21] the response to the goosebump movie is it was a fun movie.

[00:40:25] It was just like enjoyable fun.

[00:40:27] Definitely.

[00:40:27] That's how I feel about it.

[00:40:29] It's,

[00:40:29] it's got a lot of problems narratively.

[00:40:32] Um,

[00:40:33] and you know,

[00:40:34] it,

[00:40:34] sometimes it doesn't make a whole lot of sense,

[00:40:36] but I mean,

[00:40:36] sometimes you just need to get a whole bunch of,

[00:40:39] you know,

[00:40:39] weird and creepy monsters together and just have them run around and

[00:40:43] wreak havoc.

[00:40:43] And,

[00:40:44] you know,

[00:40:44] sometimes it's,

[00:40:45] that's just all you need.

[00:40:47] Practical.

[00:40:49] I think I remember somebody equated it to being like goose,

[00:40:51] uh,

[00:40:51] gremlins meets Jumanji,

[00:40:53] uh,

[00:40:54] almost in a sense.

[00:40:55] Ah,

[00:40:56] um,

[00:40:57] but,

[00:40:57] uh,

[00:40:57] I will say the first one we've talked about on here multiple times,

[00:41:00] but the first one is definitely more theatrical and it's,

[00:41:04] uh,

[00:41:04] production value.

[00:41:06] Whereas the second one,

[00:41:07] we all kind of feel feels more like an actual goosebumps story.

[00:41:10] That makes sense.

[00:41:12] Um,

[00:41:13] so,

[00:41:15] we all enjoyed the second one.

[00:41:16] Now,

[00:41:16] while it didn't get as great reviews as the first one though,

[00:41:19] but I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that Jack Black wasn't in it as a full-time character.

[00:41:23] He kind of came in at the end as a cameo appearance in a way.

[00:41:26] So,

[00:41:28] well,

[00:41:28] it was like a Night of the Living Dummy episode.

[00:41:30] That's what a lot of people describe the second movie.

[00:41:33] It felt like just a Night of the Living Dummy episode.

[00:41:36] Well,

[00:41:36] the funny thing about that,

[00:41:37] and we always point out the joke is just like,

[00:41:40] you know,

[00:41:41] Jack Black is in the movie,

[00:41:43] but he only comes in like at the end once everything's already like the villains are already defeated and everything.

[00:41:49] And he comes in and he's just like,

[00:41:50] I'm here to help.

[00:41:51] And they're like,

[00:41:52] uh,

[00:41:52] we actually don't need you anymore.

[00:41:53] So like,

[00:41:53] you can just go now.

[00:41:55] And he's like,

[00:41:55] okay.

[00:41:56] It seems more like he ran on set by accident filming another movie on a lot next door.

[00:42:03] I wouldn't be surprised if that's not what actually happened.

[00:42:06] Like they were just rolling the camera and he just came in from off camera and they're like,

[00:42:10] um,

[00:42:11] okay,

[00:42:11] I guess he's here now.

[00:42:13] I got four hours.

[00:42:15] I got four hours.

[00:42:16] What are we doing?

[00:42:19] Oh man.

[00:42:20] Okay.

[00:42:20] Hmm.

[00:42:21] Um,

[00:42:21] I actually wanted to bring up really quick.

[00:42:23] Uh,

[00:42:23] we,

[00:42:24] we talked about this,

[00:42:25] uh,

[00:42:25] for those who tuned into our last episode.

[00:42:27] Um,

[00:42:28] but we talked about this a little bit.

[00:42:29] There were actually planned goosebumps movies in the nineties.

[00:42:32] That did not get made.

[00:42:34] And,

[00:42:34] uh,

[00:42:35] two of them that we know about one was supposed to be directed by Tim Burton in 1998.

[00:42:40] And that one fell apart because of,

[00:42:42] uh,

[00:42:43] illegal disputes between Scholastic and the publishing company parachute press.

[00:42:47] Um,

[00:42:49] but there was also supposed to be one.

[00:42:51] And I wanted to bring this up with you here,

[00:42:53] James,

[00:42:54] George Romero was supposed to do a goosebumps movie in 1995.

[00:42:57] Wow.

[00:42:59] Based on welcome to dead house.

[00:43:00] So like,

[00:43:01] uh,

[00:43:02] George Romero,

[00:43:03] he had done,

[00:43:04] you know,

[00:43:04] the,

[00:43:04] the dead trilogy,

[00:43:05] night of the living dead,

[00:43:06] dawn day.

[00:43:08] Um,

[00:43:09] yeah.

[00:43:09] And he did creep show,

[00:43:10] which was a phenomenal movie.

[00:43:12] I went back and watched.

[00:43:13] Yeah.

[00:43:14] Um,

[00:43:15] but,

[00:43:16] uh,

[00:43:16] in the nineties,

[00:43:16] he was,

[00:43:17] he wasn't doing a whole lot of movies in the nineties.

[00:43:19] He,

[00:43:20] he worked on the,

[00:43:21] the night of the living dead remake and he did a few other films.

[00:43:25] Um,

[00:43:25] but he really wanted to do this movie,

[00:43:27] uh,

[00:43:28] because he said at the time,

[00:43:29] his kid was like really into the goosebumps books.

[00:43:32] So I ended up writing this whole like hardened message to,

[00:43:37] I believe the vice president of Fox at the time,

[00:43:39] just being like expressing his gratitude and being considered for a,

[00:43:44] a movie,

[00:43:45] a goosebumps movie and being welcome to dead house.

[00:43:48] It's like,

[00:43:49] you know,

[00:43:49] you get the master of zombie movies,

[00:43:51] uh,

[00:43:52] on your payroll to do a goosebumps zombie movie.

[00:43:55] Such a shame.

[00:43:56] It didn't come to pass.

[00:43:58] I don't even remember what exactly it was,

[00:44:00] but,

[00:44:00] uh,

[00:44:01] it was such a shame.

[00:44:03] That's a tragedy right there.

[00:44:04] We're talking tragedy earlier.

[00:44:06] That is.

[00:44:09] Wow.

[00:44:09] Yeah.

[00:44:11] The king of zombie movies.

[00:44:13] He's making.

[00:44:13] Yeah.

[00:44:14] And I could see it being like,

[00:44:16] with like the tone of creep show,

[00:44:17] how it's like really fun,

[00:44:18] you know,

[00:44:19] uh,

[00:44:19] like it's not like a real serious horror movie.

[00:44:22] Uh,

[00:44:22] I could see like in that kind of style,

[00:44:24] uh,

[00:44:25] a goosebumps Romero film.

[00:44:26] That'd be great.

[00:44:27] It would have been great.

[00:44:28] Yeah.

[00:44:29] I was,

[00:44:29] like I said,

[00:44:30] it's another shame and Tim Burton too.

[00:44:32] I mean,

[00:44:32] like he,

[00:44:33] two really good directors that you could have gotten for sort of the,

[00:44:36] the silly fun,

[00:44:38] campy sort of horror movie.

[00:44:39] And especially Romero coming off a creep show.

[00:44:42] Like it was,

[00:44:43] it was perfect.

[00:44:44] They had it right there,

[00:44:45] but wasn't meant to be.

[00:44:48] Could have got both.

[00:44:50] We could have got the George Romero's goosebumps.

[00:44:53] And we could have also got Tim Burton's version.

[00:44:55] Like,

[00:44:55] Oh man.

[00:44:56] In a perfect world.

[00:44:58] Oh yeah.

[00:44:59] That that's great.

[00:45:00] That's a great story.

[00:45:01] And,

[00:45:02] um,

[00:45:02] I really wanted to bring up really quick.

[00:45:04] So going off of goosebumps for a little bit,

[00:45:06] um,

[00:45:07] a little bit,

[00:45:09] um,

[00:45:10] you know,

[00:45:10] we always talk about how goosebumps is sort of what we call gateway

[00:45:13] horror.

[00:45:14] So there's a lot of sort of things that as a kid,

[00:45:17] you see that are geared towards you,

[00:45:19] um,

[00:45:19] movies,

[00:45:20] shows,

[00:45:21] cartoons that have that spooky edge.

[00:45:24] And even though you might,

[00:45:25] some people might not be into like watching straight horror movies yet.

[00:45:29] It's what kind of tips them in the direction of going that way.

[00:45:34] goosebumps we always considered was sort of that way,

[00:45:37] but,

[00:45:37] uh,

[00:45:37] there's many other shows that kind of have that James off the top of your

[00:45:41] head.

[00:45:41] Is there anything that sort of fits that category that maybe you saw or

[00:45:45] maybe other people were watching at the time?

[00:45:47] Oh,

[00:45:48] uh,

[00:45:48] more like gateway horror.

[00:45:49] Yeah.

[00:45:50] Oh,

[00:45:51] um,

[00:45:52] let me see.

[00:45:53] Uh,

[00:45:54] I mean,

[00:45:55] I guess all like the,

[00:45:56] uh,

[00:45:57] cartoons,

[00:45:58] I guess kind of had some kind of horror element,

[00:46:00] uh,

[00:46:02] uh,

[00:46:02] in humanoids comes to mind,

[00:46:03] but it was like such,

[00:46:04] that was such a short lived cartoon,

[00:46:07] uh,

[00:46:07] sadly.

[00:46:08] Um,

[00:46:09] but it had like monsters and gore in it.

[00:46:12] Um,

[00:46:13] like it was,

[00:46:13] it was pretty,

[00:46:15] pretty gross for what would normally be on TV and it was Hasbro.

[00:46:19] So it was,

[00:46:20] I mean,

[00:46:21] it was a lot more intense than GI Joe and transformers,

[00:46:24] but,

[00:46:25] um,

[00:46:26] uh,

[00:46:28] yeah,

[00:46:28] yeah.

[00:46:28] I guess,

[00:46:29] you know,

[00:46:29] my gateway horror really was like,

[00:46:31] um,

[00:46:32] I mean,

[00:46:32] as far as like getting into like real horror,

[00:46:34] like things are actually horrific would be like all the classic,

[00:46:38] uh,

[00:46:39] thirties and forties monster movies.

[00:46:41] And then,

[00:46:42] um,

[00:46:44] and all,

[00:46:44] all the fifties,

[00:46:45] uh,

[00:46:45] sci-fi,

[00:46:46] uh,

[00:46:46] alien invasion movies.

[00:46:48] And,

[00:46:48] uh,

[00:46:50] science experiments gone wrong.

[00:46:53] Um,

[00:46:55] I,

[00:46:55] I kind of generally watched horror movies in chronological order.

[00:47:00] Um,

[00:47:00] like I kind of like worked my way up from each era until I got to like

[00:47:04] Ashers.

[00:47:05] So I would say everything was sort of a gateway to me.

[00:47:10] Definitely.

[00:47:10] Um,

[00:47:11] and if stuff for me,

[00:47:13] like,

[00:47:14] uh,

[00:47:14] what comes to my mind too is,

[00:47:16] uh,

[00:47:16] I remember before goosebumps,

[00:47:18] actually,

[00:47:19] I was really into Scooby doo.

[00:47:20] Um,

[00:47:21] and the original,

[00:47:22] uh,

[00:47:23] I don't think people really remember,

[00:47:25] but the original Scooby doo,

[00:47:26] the Hanna Barbera one actually was probably one of the creepier

[00:47:31] interpretations because,

[00:47:33] um,

[00:47:33] you take a look at sort of the music in that show and the backgrounds and

[00:47:36] everything.

[00:47:37] Um,

[00:47:38] it really set like sort of a creepy atmosphere and it didn't need to

[00:47:41] show blood.

[00:47:42] It didn't need to show gore or anything.

[00:47:43] It was just pure creepy aura.

[00:47:46] And like,

[00:47:47] as a kid,

[00:47:48] sometimes that's just like,

[00:47:49] it can be creepy,

[00:47:50] but it can be fascinating.

[00:47:52] Like,

[00:47:52] it's just fascinating to watch as a kid.

[00:47:54] Like you're scared,

[00:47:56] but you're intrigued in that,

[00:47:58] in that sort of,

[00:48:00] um,

[00:48:00] but I'm glad you brought up that Scooby doo was great.

[00:48:03] Yeah.

[00:48:04] Yeah.

[00:48:04] It was,

[00:48:05] it was always a show that I would have to put on my,

[00:48:08] my parents were no doubt sick of it.

[00:48:11] I watched it so much.

[00:48:13] Um,

[00:48:13] I'm glad you brought up the,

[00:48:14] the,

[00:48:15] the universal monster movies though.

[00:48:17] I know that those definitely had a major impact,

[00:48:20] uh,

[00:48:20] on you specifically.

[00:48:21] And,

[00:48:22] uh,

[00:48:22] what most likely led to stuff like monster madness.

[00:48:26] Um,

[00:48:27] and I wanted to bring up,

[00:48:28] uh,

[00:48:28] monster vision.

[00:48:29] Uh,

[00:48:30] I do remember seeing your,

[00:48:32] your video on that.

[00:48:33] And I was intrigued.

[00:48:34] In fact,

[00:48:35] uh,

[00:48:35] after I had saw it,

[00:48:36] I was able to actually find some recordings of monster vision on YouTube.

[00:48:40] So,

[00:48:41] unfortunately,

[00:48:42] uh,

[00:48:42] nothing from the pre Joe Bob era.

[00:48:45] Um,

[00:48:45] but,

[00:48:46] uh,

[00:48:46] I,

[00:48:47] I did enjoy seeing Joe Bob Briggs and sort of his commentary on movies back

[00:48:51] then.

[00:48:52] Uh,

[00:48:52] but you did a whole video on monster vision.

[00:48:55] Yeah.

[00:48:56] Joe Bob is actually coming in.

[00:48:58] Cause we actually have a,

[00:49:00] um,

[00:49:01] uh,

[00:49:01] an outdoor,

[00:49:03] uh,

[00:49:04] cinema still.

[00:49:04] So,

[00:49:05] Oh,

[00:49:05] cool.

[00:49:06] So we have a skyline driving and funny enough,

[00:49:08] him and Darcy are both coming here.

[00:49:10] And I,

[00:49:10] I never thought a million years I would have my little town.

[00:49:13] Oh,

[00:49:14] that's awesome.

[00:49:15] Cool.

[00:49:16] Thought that was.

[00:49:17] Yeah.

[00:49:17] Yeah.

[00:49:17] Pretty amazing.

[00:49:19] Yeah.

[00:49:20] Yeah.

[00:49:20] No,

[00:49:20] they've been busy bringing,

[00:49:21] uh,

[00:49:22] last drive into,

[00:49:23] uh,

[00:49:23] to actual drive-ins.

[00:49:24] And,

[00:49:25] uh,

[00:49:26] um,

[00:49:27] you know,

[00:49:27] uh,

[00:49:28] and he also has his,

[00:49:29] uh,

[00:49:31] his,

[00:49:31] uh,

[00:49:31] how redneck saved Hollywood,

[00:49:33] uh,

[00:49:33] show.

[00:49:34] That one's really great too.

[00:49:36] Um,

[00:49:37] uh,

[00:49:37] he,

[00:49:38] he's very,

[00:49:38] very,

[00:49:39] very knowledgeable,

[00:49:40] just runs endlessly.

[00:49:42] Like all his,

[00:49:42] uh,

[00:49:42] film history that he talks about it in such a funny and entertaining way too.

[00:49:48] Yeah.

[00:49:49] I,

[00:49:49] I'm,

[00:49:50] I'm stoked.

[00:49:50] I'm really hoping that,

[00:49:53] I can actually attend this like it because I'm so busy in October.

[00:49:56] And then I just found out about this maybe like a week ago.

[00:49:59] I don't know if that's just how recent,

[00:50:01] uh,

[00:50:01] his booking was,

[00:50:03] but,

[00:50:04] uh,

[00:50:04] that,

[00:50:05] and you know,

[00:50:06] just the fact that,

[00:50:08] yeah,

[00:50:08] he's been carrying the torch of horror for so long.

[00:50:11] Um,

[00:50:12] his resurgence,

[00:50:13] as a matter of fact,

[00:50:14] when you talk about goosebumps resurgence,

[00:50:16] he had one too,

[00:50:17] uh,

[00:50:18] which is very nice.

[00:50:19] And he's,

[00:50:20] I think finally starting to get more recognition.

[00:50:22] I think that he deserves and he,

[00:50:24] he accumulates all that.

[00:50:26] Yeah.

[00:50:26] Darcy.

[00:50:27] But I mean,

[00:50:27] like,

[00:50:27] you know,

[00:50:28] it takes both of them to do that show.

[00:50:30] I think,

[00:50:30] I think they're a good pairing.

[00:50:32] Yeah,

[00:50:33] for sure.

[00:50:34] And I remember,

[00:50:35] uh,

[00:50:35] like in,

[00:50:36] in that monster vision,

[00:50:37] uh,

[00:50:37] video,

[00:50:38] I said,

[00:50:38] uh,

[00:50:39] I hope that in some shape or form monster vision will come back.

[00:50:42] That video was a while ago too.

[00:50:43] I think that was like,

[00:50:44] I'm going to say like 2010 maybe.

[00:50:46] Um,

[00:50:47] and,

[00:50:48] um,

[00:50:48] it wasn't,

[00:50:48] it wasn't a very long video or anything.

[00:50:50] It wasn't like super substantial,

[00:50:53] but I,

[00:50:54] you know,

[00:50:54] basically covered like just the short history of monster vision.

[00:50:58] And I remember leaving it at that.

[00:50:59] Like,

[00:50:59] I hope it'll return someday.

[00:51:01] It sure as hell did.

[00:51:03] Like,

[00:51:03] I mean,

[00:51:03] cause the last drive-in was like everything you always wanted with monster vision.

[00:51:07] Uh,

[00:51:08] it's,

[00:51:09] uh,

[00:51:09] you know,

[00:51:10] because now it's,

[00:51:11] it's on a streaming service on shutter.

[00:51:12] They don't have the commercials to deal with.

[00:51:15] They don't have to censor the movies.

[00:51:17] It's in HD.

[00:51:18] Uh,

[00:51:19] the movies never looked better.

[00:51:20] Um,

[00:51:22] yeah,

[00:51:23] it's kind of just like the best possible version of monster vision.

[00:51:27] Mm-hmm.

[00:51:28] Well,

[00:51:28] and it was always just incredible.

[00:51:31] Cause I,

[00:51:31] I remember that video and it was,

[00:51:33] it's just always fun.

[00:51:35] Even before Joe Bob came in,

[00:51:37] like just the way that monster vision was presented on TNT.

[00:51:40] And it was just at the,

[00:51:42] the narrator being like,

[00:51:43] it was,

[00:51:44] I remember you were like,

[00:51:44] it wasn't monster vision.

[00:51:45] It was monster vision.

[00:51:48] That's right.

[00:51:48] Yeah.

[00:51:49] Um,

[00:51:49] and just like,

[00:51:50] I don't know,

[00:51:50] like it was so cool back then.

[00:51:52] That was like the,

[00:51:53] you know,

[00:51:53] eighties,

[00:51:54] nineties,

[00:51:54] just a way to watch the classic horror films from the thirties,

[00:51:59] forties,

[00:51:59] and the sci-fi movies from the fifties and sixties.

[00:52:01] Like even today,

[00:52:03] like just the reintroduction of old movies from back then,

[00:52:07] um,

[00:52:08] that maybe some people would never even know about like just getting reintroduced.

[00:52:12] So like they live on forever.

[00:52:14] Um,

[00:52:15] yeah,

[00:52:15] yeah.

[00:52:16] I actually have a video coming out that revisits this topic,

[00:52:19] but it,

[00:52:20] uh,

[00:52:20] I mean,

[00:52:21] I,

[00:52:21] I,

[00:52:21] it's coming out soon enough.

[00:52:22] I'll just tell you what it is.

[00:52:23] It's a,

[00:52:24] it's about AMC's monster fest,

[00:52:26] uh,

[00:52:27] 99.

[00:52:28] So it's a 25th anniversary of,

[00:52:30] of what I remember as the last great horror marathon,

[00:52:34] uh,

[00:52:34] that I was there for at least the one that I was there and I taped,

[00:52:38] there was a monster vision that same weekend.

[00:52:41] Um,

[00:52:43] and,

[00:52:43] uh,

[00:52:43] yeah,

[00:52:44] I,

[00:52:44] I taped a lot,

[00:52:45] but I still have like a stack of VHS tapes from that one weekend.

[00:52:50] And,

[00:52:50] um,

[00:52:50] it's like five or six tapes,

[00:52:52] but,

[00:52:53] uh,

[00:52:54] yeah,

[00:52:54] Roger Corman hosted it.

[00:52:56] So that's how it fits into the theme of this month.

[00:52:58] We're honoring,

[00:52:59] you know,

[00:53:00] the memory of Roger Corman.

[00:53:02] Um,

[00:53:03] so,

[00:53:03] uh,

[00:53:04] I actually,

[00:53:04] I might as well plug the coming up or no,

[00:53:06] no,

[00:53:06] it'll be out by now.

[00:53:07] I think,

[00:53:08] uh,

[00:53:08] uh,

[00:53:09] I did the entire Edgar Allen post series that Roger Corman directed in one video.

[00:53:14] So it's like the longest video of the month.

[00:53:16] It's like 35 minutes or something.

[00:53:18] So it's,

[00:53:19] it's,

[00:53:19] it's,

[00:53:20] it was huge.

[00:53:21] Yeah.

[00:53:21] Like I,

[00:53:22] I was like,

[00:53:22] you know what,

[00:53:23] if I'm going to do one of the Poe movies,

[00:53:25] I got to do them all.

[00:53:26] I could not pick a single one.

[00:53:28] So,

[00:53:29] so there I go.

[00:53:30] It's the whole thing.

[00:53:31] But,

[00:53:32] but I think you'll really like the,

[00:53:33] the AMC monster fest one.

[00:53:35] Uh,

[00:53:35] the,

[00:53:36] the movie is the Phantom Eye because it was like a,

[00:53:38] it was a bonus movie that went along with the marathon.

[00:53:42] It was a,

[00:53:43] basically like a hyped as a Roger Corman film.

[00:53:47] Uh,

[00:53:47] and it aired in like 35 parts.

[00:53:51] In between all the other movies that were showing.

[00:53:55] So it was like serialized.

[00:53:57] And at the end they rebroadcast it in its entirety.

[00:54:01] Um,

[00:54:01] but yeah,

[00:54:02] like it was just cool.

[00:54:03] Like you don't do that kind of thing nowadays.

[00:54:05] Like you don't,

[00:54:05] you don't see that kind of thing.

[00:54:07] Uh,

[00:54:08] you know,

[00:54:09] TV just ain't the same anymore.

[00:54:11] No.

[00:54:11] And even,

[00:54:12] even when you do catch a horror movies on TV,

[00:54:15] like the one that comes to my mind.

[00:54:17] And for a while I watched it was,

[00:54:19] uh,

[00:54:19] speaking of AMC,

[00:54:20] uh,

[00:54:21] fear fest,

[00:54:22] which is sort of like their modern thing they do on Halloween.

[00:54:25] But even then,

[00:54:26] like you,

[00:54:27] they won't show like really like anything past like the eighties.

[00:54:32] Uh,

[00:54:32] and even then a lot of that stuff has to be trimmed down because of TV

[00:54:35] sensors.

[00:54:36] So like,

[00:54:37] it's not the same as I think you even said in your monster vision video,

[00:54:41] like by the time they were getting to like show on Friday,

[00:54:43] the 13th and stuff like that,

[00:54:45] it was still like,

[00:54:46] it was still like not the same as just watching the uncut movie.

[00:54:50] Um,

[00:54:50] yeah,

[00:54:50] yeah.

[00:54:51] Which is a shame,

[00:54:52] but I mean,

[00:54:53] what are you going to do?

[00:54:54] You know,

[00:54:54] it was really funny too.

[00:54:55] They,

[00:54:55] they,

[00:54:55] they actually,

[00:54:56] um,

[00:54:56] did last drive in on AMC.

[00:54:59] I think it was like last week or so I tuned in for some of it in the

[00:55:04] middle of Friday,

[00:55:04] the 13th part two.

[00:55:06] And it was such a flashback because I remember watching that my first time

[00:55:11] ever watching all the Friday,

[00:55:13] the 13th was on TNT's monster vision.

[00:55:16] Now,

[00:55:17] now it's basically the same format on AMC,

[00:55:20] but he's doing it now.

[00:55:21] And they still have,

[00:55:23] you know,

[00:55:23] the commercials cause it's cable and they have the,

[00:55:26] uh,

[00:55:27] like they censor some of the kills and everything.

[00:55:29] And,

[00:55:29] uh,

[00:55:30] it's just funny how like certain things never change,

[00:55:32] but in a way I just love that because it felt exactly like it was back

[00:55:37] then.

[00:55:38] Exactly.

[00:55:39] You just had to have Joe Bob when they come back to him from commercial

[00:55:42] being like,

[00:55:43] Oh,

[00:55:43] the AMC sensors cut out that again.

[00:55:45] Yeah.

[00:55:46] Yeah.

[00:55:48] Oh,

[00:55:48] I love it.

[00:55:49] I mean,

[00:55:49] you brought up the Friday,

[00:55:50] the 13th on just when he did the whole marathon and like,

[00:55:53] as the night went on,

[00:55:55] he just got progressively more pissed off with the sensors.

[00:55:57] Yeah.

[00:55:58] Yeah.

[00:55:58] Part four.

[00:55:59] And he's just like,

[00:56:00] where is part four?

[00:56:01] Like,

[00:56:02] how can it be missing?

[00:56:04] And then they follow him backstage.

[00:56:06] Like the cameras are just following him.

[00:56:07] And he's like back in the editing room or,

[00:56:09] or wherever.

[00:56:10] And he's like yelling at everybody.

[00:56:13] It's so funny.

[00:56:16] Which Friday the 13th was it that had the iconic Crispin Glover dance?

[00:56:20] Oh,

[00:56:21] that was four.

[00:56:21] Yeah.

[00:56:22] That was the one that they,

[00:56:23] that TNT couldn't show that,

[00:56:25] that time.

[00:56:26] Yeah.

[00:56:28] Yeah.

[00:56:29] Yeah.

[00:56:29] it was way more than that.

[00:56:30] I was like,

[00:56:31] yeah.

[00:56:33] Apparently he was dancing to back in black,

[00:56:36] but they,

[00:56:36] you know,

[00:56:37] they use that as just like,

[00:56:39] you know,

[00:56:40] they didn't know what song they were going to get the rights to.

[00:56:42] So they just had him dance to anything that he could.

[00:56:44] And then later on,

[00:56:46] I guess I don't even know the name of the song that they ended up using,

[00:56:49] but,

[00:56:50] um,

[00:56:51] it certainly doesn't match.

[00:56:53] No,

[00:56:54] it doesn't match anything.

[00:56:55] It doesn't matter.

[00:56:56] Like even somebody tried to sync it with back in black.

[00:56:59] So it looks like what he's really dancing to.

[00:57:02] Even then it's like,

[00:57:04] it's too questionable.

[00:57:06] Yeah.

[00:57:06] It is a little over the top.

[00:57:08] I got to check that out.

[00:57:09] I never,

[00:57:10] I never knew about that.

[00:57:11] I don't know.

[00:57:11] I guess you could find anything on YouTube these days.

[00:57:14] Yeah.

[00:57:16] Um,

[00:57:16] but yeah,

[00:57:17] no.

[00:57:17] And just going back to it,

[00:57:18] it's just,

[00:57:19] again,

[00:57:19] it's,

[00:57:20] it's,

[00:57:20] it's so cool that they're doing,

[00:57:22] you know,

[00:57:22] last drive in now because you're right.

[00:57:24] And I remember when they first announced that and it was just like,

[00:57:27] that is so cool that they're like,

[00:57:29] even though it's on streaming,

[00:57:30] so you can't do like commercials and anything,

[00:57:32] it's not like a hundred percent authentic.

[00:57:34] It's like,

[00:57:35] they're still trying to keep that sort of spirit alive in eighties,

[00:57:38] nineties.

[00:57:38] Nostalgia is super high right now.

[00:57:41] So it's like,

[00:57:42] like it was honestly at nowadays,

[00:57:45] it's like,

[00:57:46] I don't know.

[00:57:46] Wonder they brought it back.

[00:57:47] Cause it's like they had to.

[00:57:50] Yeah.

[00:57:50] Yeah.

[00:57:51] But,

[00:57:51] um,

[00:57:51] and you got to meet Joe Bob on multiple occasions.

[00:57:55] I got to ask you,

[00:57:56] how was,

[00:57:56] how was that?

[00:57:57] Oh,

[00:57:58] he was awesome.

[00:57:59] Yeah.

[00:57:59] I mean,

[00:58:00] it's,

[00:58:00] it's,

[00:58:00] it's so much fun.

[00:58:01] Like even off camera talking to him about movies and stuff.

[00:58:04] Um,

[00:58:06] and just,

[00:58:06] uh,

[00:58:07] having his,

[00:58:07] uh,

[00:58:08] commentary on like everything.

[00:58:09] It's just,

[00:58:11] yeah,

[00:58:11] he,

[00:58:12] he's totally great.

[00:58:13] A lot of fun.

[00:58:14] Yeah.

[00:58:15] He just seems like a super like funny guy to just hang around with.

[00:58:20] He just,

[00:58:21] yeah.

[00:58:22] Like speaking his mind on things and he's awesome.

[00:58:24] I totally understand.

[00:58:26] Yeah.

[00:58:27] Yeah.

[00:58:28] Now,

[00:58:29] uh,

[00:58:29] getting back to sort of,

[00:58:32] uh,

[00:58:32] like the area of like horror that goosebumps subsided in sort of like the more campy horror side,

[00:58:38] but also the horror anthology.

[00:58:39] Uh,

[00:58:40] we mentioned,

[00:58:40] are you afraid of the dark?

[00:58:41] Uh,

[00:58:42] but I also have to give quick mention to,

[00:58:44] uh,

[00:58:44] other horror anthologies,

[00:58:46] namely Twilight Zone and Tales from the Crypt and definitely Tales from the Crypt,

[00:58:51] uh,

[00:58:51] especially because the original comics were one of RL Stein's biggest inspirations,

[00:58:57] for goosebumps.

[00:58:59] Um,

[00:58:59] and he cited it as so it just sort of the,

[00:59:02] the grotesque situations,

[00:59:04] obviously geared down for kids,

[00:59:07] um,

[00:59:08] mixed with sort of the humor that like say the Crypt Keeper would give.

[00:59:12] Um,

[00:59:13] so it is really fun.

[00:59:15] And also the twists,

[00:59:16] like he always equated that,

[00:59:17] like the twists and goosebumps are very reminiscent of like sort of the come up and stuff at the end of Tales from the Crypt comics and vault of horror,

[00:59:25] uh,

[00:59:27] uh,

[00:59:27] sort of stuff.

[00:59:28] Uh,

[00:59:28] did you ever get a chance to read any Tales from the Crypt comics?

[00:59:32] Uh,

[00:59:33] not a lot.

[00:59:33] I have some of them.

[00:59:35] I think I have this like EC comics,

[00:59:37] uh,

[00:59:37] like a box set.

[00:59:39] Um,

[00:59:41] but,

[00:59:41] uh,

[00:59:41] no,

[00:59:42] I haven't read a lot of them.

[00:59:43] I've always wanted to though.

[00:59:44] Mm-hmm.

[00:59:45] Yeah,

[00:59:45] I have,

[00:59:46] uh,

[00:59:47] the,

[00:59:47] they do have the box set ones.

[00:59:48] They recently came out with a new printing,

[00:59:50] which is like a,

[00:59:51] a soft cover,

[00:59:53] but,

[00:59:53] um,

[00:59:53] I actually have one and I kind of kicking myself because I haven't had a chance to read it yet.

[00:59:59] Um,

[00:59:59] but I really want to,

[01:00:00] because I love the TV show.

[01:00:02] Um,

[01:00:03] and,

[01:00:04] uh,

[01:00:04] the TV show is just,

[01:00:06] man,

[01:00:07] I can't believe that it was on HBO.

[01:00:09] So,

[01:00:10] you know,

[01:00:10] you weren't confined to cable so they can get away with gore and sex and stuff like that.

[01:00:16] Uh,

[01:00:16] it's just still incredible to watch that and just be like,

[01:00:19] wow,

[01:00:19] I can't,

[01:00:20] this looks better.

[01:00:21] I remember I said like,

[01:00:22] this looks better than some of the movies that were coming out at the time.

[01:00:25] Yeah.

[01:00:26] Yeah.

[01:00:26] It was like great special effects.

[01:00:29] I,

[01:00:29] I couldn't believe it,

[01:00:30] but,

[01:00:31] uh,

[01:00:31] what was your thoughts on the,

[01:00:33] on the TV show?

[01:00:34] Oh yeah.

[01:00:35] I loved it.

[01:00:36] I feel like now I want to rewatch,

[01:00:38] uh,

[01:00:38] my video.

[01:00:39] I did a video,

[01:00:40] uh,

[01:00:40] top 10 tales from the crypt episodes and I,

[01:00:43] I,

[01:00:44] I don't remember my picks for,

[01:00:45] so I have to watch the video again,

[01:00:47] but I do remember the one.

[01:00:50] Oh yeah.

[01:00:50] I was going to say,

[01:00:51] there was like a,

[01:00:52] the ventriloquist dummy.

[01:00:54] I know it was one of them,

[01:00:55] uh,

[01:00:55] strong along,

[01:00:56] uh,

[01:00:57] yellow,

[01:00:58] the one with,

[01:00:59] uh,

[01:00:59] Dan Aykroyd,

[01:01:00] Kirk Douglas,

[01:01:01] uh,

[01:01:01] those ones,

[01:01:02] uh,

[01:01:02] they're all really good episodes.

[01:01:04] Oh,

[01:01:04] that the one,

[01:01:05] the,

[01:01:05] the,

[01:01:06] the war one where he's like the coward and,

[01:01:08] and like,

[01:01:09] yeah,

[01:01:09] yeah.

[01:01:10] Um,

[01:01:11] uh,

[01:01:12] I'd ruin the episode.

[01:01:13] Less said the better,

[01:01:14] but,

[01:01:14] um,

[01:01:15] uh,

[01:01:16] there,

[01:01:16] the one,

[01:01:17] yeah.

[01:01:17] One that stuck out to me a lot was like the gambling one where the two guys are,

[01:01:21] are,

[01:01:21] are like gambling with each other and they end up chopping off like fingers and it,

[01:01:25] and it keeps escalating.

[01:01:27] And it's just the,

[01:01:28] the acting,

[01:01:29] like the way they,

[01:01:30] they look at each other with so much hatred,

[01:01:33] um,

[01:01:35] that it's,

[01:01:35] it's just like they,

[01:01:37] it's,

[01:01:38] it's,

[01:01:38] you,

[01:01:39] you can just see the hate just dripping off the screen.

[01:01:41] These guys hate each other so much,

[01:01:44] um,

[01:01:45] to,

[01:01:45] to like comical proportions.

[01:01:47] Well,

[01:01:47] they do like the Russian roulette and like one of them is like,

[01:01:50] what are we going to get killed?

[01:01:51] But it's a dud bullet.

[01:01:52] And instead of being thankful that he's alive,

[01:01:54] he's more pissed off that the other guy,

[01:01:56] you know,

[01:01:57] could have lived.

[01:01:57] So it's exactly.

[01:01:59] Yeah.

[01:02:00] And then,

[01:02:01] uh,

[01:02:02] I think like I,

[01:02:03] one of them,

[01:02:04] I know Lance Hendrickson played,

[01:02:06] sort of like the cowboy.

[01:02:07] So he's got like,

[01:02:08] he's got like the,

[01:02:09] the rustic country accent and he's got like the big cowboy hat on.

[01:02:14] When it comes time for him to like have one of his fingers chopped off,

[01:02:17] he's just like,

[01:02:17] I should,

[01:02:18] I go for that flush.

[01:02:19] He's like,

[01:02:19] I'll make a deal with you.

[01:02:20] I'll give you back one of your fingers.

[01:02:21] And he's like,

[01:02:23] no way.

[01:02:27] He's so excited.

[01:02:29] Uh,

[01:02:29] one of my favorites is,

[01:02:31] uh,

[01:02:31] the one with Morton Downey jr,

[01:02:33] the television terror one.

[01:02:35] I'm pretty sure it was called.

[01:02:36] That was like sort of one of the first precursors to found footage.

[01:02:40] Cause it was a video crew going into a haunted house.

[01:02:43] Oh,

[01:02:44] okay.

[01:02:44] And I love that episode because it wastes no time.

[01:02:47] Like,

[01:02:48] it's not one of those things where it's like,

[01:02:50] you know,

[01:02:51] he sees something and no one believes him.

[01:02:52] I think they do that one time,

[01:02:54] but like,

[01:02:55] by the time they get in,

[01:02:56] like weird shit's already happening.

[01:02:57] Like there's,

[01:02:58] there's like chandeliers falling from the ceiling.

[01:03:01] There's like visions of people.

[01:03:03] There's like a vision of one guy in a bathtub with his throat,

[01:03:06] like slit.

[01:03:07] And he's just like,

[01:03:08] Oh,

[01:03:08] you're like,

[01:03:08] come here.

[01:03:09] Like you gotta see it.

[01:03:11] And,

[01:03:11] um,

[01:03:12] no,

[01:03:12] I just love tales from the crib.

[01:03:14] I can go on and on,

[01:03:15] but I did have to bring it up really quick.

[01:03:17] Cause one that stuck with me way back when,

[01:03:20] when I was a kid watching it was,

[01:03:21] uh,

[01:03:22] the Joe Pesci,

[01:03:23] I believe it too.

[01:03:24] It was in it.

[01:03:25] The episode with the twins.

[01:03:28] And.

[01:03:29] Oh,

[01:03:29] okay.

[01:03:29] Yeah.

[01:03:30] Yeah.

[01:03:30] The ending to that one was like so messed up.

[01:03:33] And I was,

[01:03:33] as a kid,

[01:03:34] that always stuck with me,

[01:03:35] that visual of like the split screen.

[01:03:38] So you had each sister in their bed with half of him.

[01:03:42] I'm just like,

[01:03:43] that is so messed up.

[01:03:45] Oh yeah.

[01:03:46] Yeah.

[01:03:46] And just Pesci in general,

[01:03:47] like he's just hilarious in that episode.

[01:03:50] One scene that ended up becoming a meme is where he like shows up to their house and he just walks up and he takes his glasses off.

[01:03:56] He's just like,

[01:03:57] what the fuck is this?

[01:03:59] Is this a piece of shit?

[01:04:02] That's a great line though.

[01:04:03] I'm not,

[01:04:03] the way he delivered it,

[01:04:04] I can see what it's a meme.

[01:04:05] Yeah.

[01:04:06] Yeah.

[01:04:06] I use that even for part of the new goosebumps Disney plus show,

[01:04:11] uh,

[01:04:11] with the haunted mask.

[01:04:12] I remember that it was just the new haunted mask.

[01:04:15] I'm just like,

[01:04:15] what the fuck is this piece of shit?

[01:04:21] Oh God.

[01:04:22] No,

[01:04:22] I had to use that for that particular one and,

[01:04:25] uh,

[01:04:26] it fit it perfectly.

[01:04:28] Yeah.

[01:04:28] But man,

[01:04:29] I,

[01:04:29] you know,

[01:04:30] when you look back on tales from the crypt,

[01:04:31] like when we talk about all the different actors that like Dan Aykroyd and Joe Pesci,

[01:04:36] they had a pretty star powered lineup in some episodes really.

[01:04:40] Yeah.

[01:04:41] Uh,

[01:04:41] or a horror TV show.

[01:04:43] Mm hmm.

[01:04:43] Yeah.

[01:04:44] It was,

[01:04:44] it was almost like a badge of,

[01:04:46] it seemed like it became almost like a badge of honor to like be on tales from the

[01:04:50] crypt.

[01:04:51] Yeah.

[01:04:51] It became one of those things.

[01:04:53] Like nobody was ashamed to do like something that was horror.

[01:04:56] Everybody was like into it,

[01:04:58] you know?

[01:04:59] Um,

[01:05:00] yeah,

[01:05:00] yeah.

[01:05:00] It was a really star studded cast.

[01:05:02] Mm hmm.

[01:05:03] And then you had like episodes directed by like Michael J Fox and Tom Hanks and,

[01:05:08] uh,

[01:05:09] uh,

[01:05:09] Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[01:05:10] Yeah.

[01:05:12] Yeah.

[01:05:13] Next to the crypt keeper being like,

[01:05:15] you know,

[01:05:15] like keep,

[01:05:16] keep working out while I tell the story.

[01:05:20] So good.

[01:05:21] Yeah.

[01:05:21] Yeah.

[01:05:21] Good old Arnold.

[01:05:22] Um,

[01:05:23] yeah,

[01:05:24] I remember.

[01:05:25] Yeah.

[01:05:25] That was a pretty good one too.

[01:05:27] It was the switch.

[01:05:28] I think.

[01:05:29] Yeah.

[01:05:30] It was,

[01:05:30] uh,

[01:05:30] it was the old man who wanted to become younger so we can get a girl.

[01:05:33] But then the girl's like,

[01:05:35] you know,

[01:05:35] like she's just kind of like,

[01:05:36] you know what I really want.

[01:05:38] But she ends up getting together with the young man he traded with.

[01:05:41] Cause he's got all this money now.

[01:05:43] It's.

[01:05:44] Oh,

[01:05:45] I've given away the ending.

[01:05:47] It's one of those shows.

[01:05:48] These are old enough.

[01:05:49] I feel like.

[01:05:50] Yeah.

[01:05:51] It's fine.

[01:05:51] It's a show where you,

[01:05:52] honestly,

[01:05:53] the,

[01:05:53] the ending is always like the best part.

[01:05:55] It's like,

[01:05:55] if you got to talk about script,

[01:05:56] you got to talk.

[01:05:57] Yeah.

[01:05:57] Like a lot of times the fun is just like,

[01:05:59] Ooh,

[01:05:59] how's this one going to end?

[01:06:00] Mm-hmm.

[01:06:02] Well,

[01:06:02] and the funny thing too,

[01:06:03] is that you have the crypt keeper and he's like one of the best horror

[01:06:07] hosts ever is like right next to Elvira.

[01:06:10] I would think is like the crypt keeper.

[01:06:13] Um,

[01:06:13] yeah,

[01:06:13] yeah.

[01:06:14] And he can still,

[01:06:15] John to see her.

[01:06:17] Yeah,

[01:06:18] definitely.

[01:06:18] And John does the voice.

[01:06:20] He can still do it.

[01:06:21] Like he's still going to cons and like doing the whole like crypt

[01:06:25] keeper voice.

[01:06:26] And it's,

[01:06:26] it's crazy.

[01:06:28] Yeah.

[01:06:29] Yeah.

[01:06:29] I was once at a con with him.

[01:06:31] Like I was at the same con.

[01:06:32] I remember he was just kind of just walking around and he would just do

[01:06:35] the voice every now and then.

[01:06:36] Like he's,

[01:06:37] you know,

[01:06:38] yeah,

[01:06:38] he's still got it and he still loves doing it.

[01:06:41] And it always just kind of irks me that they don't do a revival.

[01:06:44] We got the crypt,

[01:06:45] the,

[01:06:45] the creep show revival,

[01:06:47] um,

[01:06:47] which I was shocked.

[01:06:49] Oh yeah.

[01:06:49] As good as it is.

[01:06:51] Like it's really good.

[01:06:52] Mm-hmm.

[01:06:53] Yeah.

[01:06:53] Yeah.

[01:06:54] And it don't,

[01:06:55] it doesn't shy away from the,

[01:06:56] like the gore.

[01:06:57] It's like,

[01:06:58] it is dripping with blood and guts.

[01:07:00] Uh,

[01:07:00] it's crazy.

[01:07:02] But man,

[01:07:03] I mean,

[01:07:03] like one show I watched,

[01:07:04] uh,

[01:07:05] yeah,

[01:07:05] all the way through.

[01:07:06] Mm-hmm.

[01:07:07] It's like,

[01:07:07] what a relief that we still get shows like that,

[01:07:10] that just kind of like,

[01:07:11] you know,

[01:07:12] they don't go for it.

[01:07:12] Nothing serious.

[01:07:13] Everything is just like,

[01:07:14] let's see how far we can go with the campiness and the blood and the,

[01:07:19] you know,

[01:07:20] the sort of the gratuitous nature of it.

[01:07:22] Um,

[01:07:23] yeah.

[01:07:24] Stuff like that still happening.

[01:07:26] And speaking of which,

[01:07:27] um,

[01:07:27] my next question is,

[01:07:29] uh,

[01:07:29] you know,

[01:07:30] you've,

[01:07:30] you've watched hundreds of horror movies now,

[01:07:33] whether for monster madness or just as a horror fan.

[01:07:36] Um,

[01:07:37] what would you say?

[01:07:38] Or how do you feel about sort of like that more campy,

[01:07:41] goofy tone,

[01:07:42] uh,

[01:07:42] in certain hormones?

[01:07:45] Oh,

[01:07:46] which ones in particular?

[01:07:47] Uh,

[01:07:48] I mean,

[01:07:48] my mind goes to stuff like,

[01:07:50] uh,

[01:07:50] I'm thinking like killer clowns from outer space and like stuff.

[01:07:53] Yeah.

[01:07:53] It's just like,

[01:07:55] it's super unserious,

[01:07:56] but it's like,

[01:07:57] it's sort of like turn your brain off kind of fun.

[01:08:00] Oh yeah.

[01:08:01] No,

[01:08:02] I always love that too.

[01:08:03] Yeah.

[01:08:04] Um,

[01:08:06] I think of some other examples for you,

[01:08:08] uh,

[01:08:09] night of the demons.

[01:08:10] I'm thinking like is,

[01:08:11] is,

[01:08:11] yeah.

[01:08:11] Yeah.

[01:08:12] That's another really fun one.

[01:08:14] And return of the living dead is one of my favorite zombies of all time.

[01:08:17] That's a really good example.

[01:08:19] Yeah.

[01:08:19] Cause that movie is kind of funny.

[01:08:22] Um,

[01:08:22] it's just,

[01:08:23] it's very dark,

[01:08:24] but,

[01:08:25] uh,

[01:08:25] it's a very dark and hopeless movie,

[01:08:27] but it is very funny too.

[01:08:29] Yeah.

[01:08:30] And then the,

[01:08:30] the,

[01:08:31] the sequel,

[01:08:32] uh,

[01:08:32] the second one in particular,

[01:08:34] um,

[01:08:34] is not as good.

[01:08:35] I will say that,

[01:08:37] but it's sort of like,

[01:08:39] it's almost like a soft remake almost.

[01:08:41] It's one of those things where they call it a two,

[01:08:43] but it's basically the same plot.

[01:08:45] Yeah.

[01:08:45] Cause they have the same two guys.

[01:08:47] And it,

[01:08:48] that aren't the same two guys.

[01:08:50] I don't.

[01:08:50] Yeah.

[01:08:51] James Conn,

[01:08:52] uh,

[01:08:52] James Karen and Tom,

[01:08:53] Don Matthews.

[01:08:54] They play the,

[01:08:55] essentially the same characters from the first movie.

[01:08:57] Instead,

[01:08:58] this time they're grave robbers and they meet the same fate.

[01:09:01] So it's like,

[01:09:02] they're doing the same movie.

[01:09:04] Uh,

[01:09:04] but it's a little more like,

[01:09:06] it's a little more like campiness.

[01:09:08] Uh,

[01:09:08] yeah.

[01:09:09] Yeah.

[01:09:09] It was a little more for like,

[01:09:10] uh,

[01:09:11] sort of the silly nature.

[01:09:12] They're like bumping zombies on the head.

[01:09:15] There's one where like a jog,

[01:09:16] it's ripped off.

[01:09:17] And he's like,

[01:09:17] ah,

[01:09:18] ah,

[01:09:20] it's stuff like that.

[01:09:22] It's like,

[01:09:22] you know,

[01:09:23] you got horror movies that are,

[01:09:25] you know,

[01:09:26] very creepy,

[01:09:26] very like you,

[01:09:28] you feel like uncomfortable in a good way watching them.

[01:09:32] But then you have ones where you're just like,

[01:09:34] you're just like,

[01:09:35] Oh my gosh,

[01:09:35] that looks like ridiculous.

[01:09:36] And that sort of thing.

[01:09:38] Um,

[01:09:38] yeah.

[01:09:39] Yeah.

[01:09:39] Return of the living dead is one of those ones.

[01:09:41] Cause you just have like,

[01:09:43] definitely.

[01:09:44] Yeah.

[01:09:44] But it's so good.

[01:09:45] You know,

[01:09:45] comedy is,

[01:09:46] um,

[01:09:46] it is.

[01:09:48] Yeah.

[01:09:49] Here's what you do.

[01:09:49] Like here would be my recommendation,

[01:09:51] uh,

[01:09:51] for the listeners.

[01:09:52] You want some really fun,

[01:09:54] a zombie movies like that.

[01:09:56] It's a,

[01:09:56] it's a four parter.

[01:09:57] It would be,

[01:09:58] um,

[01:09:58] you got Dawn dead,

[01:10:01] return of the living dead,

[01:10:02] brain dead,

[01:10:03] also known as dead alive.

[01:10:05] And then,

[01:10:06] uh,

[01:10:06] um,

[01:10:08] fuck,

[01:10:09] which did I say return of the living dead already?

[01:10:10] Return of the living dead,

[01:10:11] Dawn of the dead and brain dead evil dead too.

[01:10:14] That's the other one.

[01:10:14] Yes.

[01:10:15] Evil dead too.

[01:10:15] That is like,

[01:10:16] that is like the king of that sort of sub genre is evil dead too.

[01:10:20] Yeah.

[01:10:21] And they're all like technically zombies,

[01:10:23] but it's completely different.

[01:10:25] So,

[01:10:25] uh,

[01:10:26] Dawn of the dead,

[01:10:26] you'd have,

[01:10:27] um,

[01:10:28] you know,

[01:10:28] the kind that eat your flesh and then,

[01:10:31] return of the living dead.

[01:10:32] It's the kind of your brains.

[01:10:34] Uh,

[01:10:35] then,

[01:10:36] um,

[01:10:37] evil dead too is the kind that swallow your soul.

[01:10:40] And,

[01:10:41] uh,

[01:10:42] uh,

[01:10:42] what's that leave us with?

[01:10:44] Um,

[01:10:44] brain dead is just like brain dead.

[01:10:46] The kind of ones that squirt blood the most.

[01:10:48] Yeah.

[01:10:48] The kind that eat you up and barf you out.

[01:10:51] Thank you.

[01:10:52] Oh,

[01:10:53] the Lord.

[01:10:54] Oh God.

[01:10:56] There's a quadruple dead feature that would,

[01:10:59] that's sure,

[01:11:00] uh,

[01:11:01] to get you lots of laughs and,

[01:11:02] um,

[01:11:03] you know,

[01:11:04] also good scares and atmosphere as well.

[01:11:07] Definitely.

[01:11:08] Well,

[01:11:08] Dawn of the dead,

[01:11:09] especially is like,

[01:11:10] I would say undeniably Dawn of the dead is like one of the best,

[01:11:15] if not the best zombie movie of all time.

[01:11:18] Like objectively,

[01:11:20] um,

[01:11:20] it's a great commentary.

[01:11:21] It does have those moments of comedic levity,

[01:11:24] but it's also just horrifying.

[01:11:26] Like it really is.

[01:11:27] You really got to imagine like Romero's zombie universe in particular is just so hopeless.

[01:11:34] Like there's no,

[01:11:36] there's no coming back from any of it.

[01:11:38] There's never going to be a sense of normalcy.

[01:11:41] Um,

[01:11:41] and the great thing about those movies and would be carried by the walking dead when that came on was that it focuses on the people like the zombies are there,

[01:11:50] but like you're more focused on sort of like how humans are causing their own downfall.

[01:11:55] Yeah.

[01:11:56] Yeah.

[01:11:57] How they have to work together and sometimes they can,

[01:11:59] but some,

[01:12:00] most times they don't,

[01:12:01] uh,

[01:12:01] the first night of the living dead in particular,

[01:12:04] or the characters do nothing but fight.

[01:12:06] Yeah.

[01:12:07] And then by the time you get to day of the dead,

[01:12:09] they're so insane that it's like,

[01:12:10] most of them are just,

[01:12:11] you know,

[01:12:12] ah,

[01:12:12] you dumb fucks.

[01:12:14] It's all just like,

[01:12:15] they're pointing guns at each other.

[01:12:17] And they're all going nuts.

[01:12:20] Um,

[01:12:21] if you didn't get back in your chair.

[01:12:23] Yeah.

[01:12:23] Yeah.

[01:12:24] Yeah.

[01:12:25] You can make a case for,

[01:12:26] uh,

[01:12:26] any of those,

[01:12:27] like the first three dead movies,

[01:12:29] like you can make a case for any one of those being the best.

[01:12:32] Like,

[01:12:32] uh,

[01:12:33] you know,

[01:12:33] night living dead has its own thing.

[01:12:35] Like it's the first one dawn of dead.

[01:12:38] I mean,

[01:12:38] you could totally say that's the best too.

[01:12:40] And then,

[01:12:41] um,

[01:12:42] day of the dead also like that one has its own thing going.

[01:12:45] So sometimes I can't even decide to be honest.

[01:12:49] Yeah.

[01:12:50] It's,

[01:12:50] it's a really good horror trilogy.

[01:12:52] One of the,

[01:12:53] personally,

[01:12:53] I would say one of the best,

[01:12:55] uh,

[01:12:55] among with like,

[01:12:56] uh,

[01:12:58] God,

[01:12:58] I was going to,

[01:12:59] I was going to give some examples,

[01:13:00] but then they just,

[01:13:01] uh,

[01:13:02] Frankenstein trilogy.

[01:13:04] Yep.

[01:13:04] That's a good one.

[01:13:05] Uh,

[01:13:05] the first one bride and son.

[01:13:08] Yeah.

[01:13:08] And that's another one where I can't decide between the original bride or son,

[01:13:12] like which one's the best,

[01:13:13] because I,

[01:13:13] I changed my mind all the time.

[01:13:15] Uh,

[01:13:16] uh,

[01:13:16] it's one of those things.

[01:13:17] Definitely.

[01:13:18] I was going to say alien,

[01:13:19] but then I remembered alien three as a movie and,

[01:13:22] uh,

[01:13:23] yeah,

[01:13:23] yeah,

[01:13:24] it's got some,

[01:13:25] yeah,

[01:13:25] it's got a good ending,

[01:13:26] but yeah,

[01:13:27] no,

[01:13:27] alien three is definitely the more polarizing one,

[01:13:30] like where,

[01:13:31] uh,

[01:13:31] there there's good and bad about it.

[01:13:34] Uh,

[01:13:34] but generally no,

[01:13:35] it's not,

[01:13:36] it's nowhere near as good as alien and aliens.

[01:13:39] Yeah.

[01:13:40] I have my true of aliens.

[01:13:41] You watch alien,

[01:13:42] alien Romulus aliens,

[01:13:44] and then,

[01:13:45] uh,

[01:13:46] that's it.

[01:13:47] Right.

[01:13:47] Cause alien Romulus that just after the first one.

[01:13:51] Oh yeah.

[01:13:51] I didn't get to see a Romulus yet,

[01:13:53] but I'm,

[01:13:54] I'm going to watch it sometime soon.

[01:13:56] If when it's out on streaming,

[01:13:57] if it's not already,

[01:13:58] it was my call.

[01:14:00] It's in my top three now.

[01:14:02] Like it's alien.

[01:14:04] And then Romulus is probably my third favorite now.

[01:14:06] No,

[01:14:07] cause that one just felt like it was part of that world from the first,

[01:14:11] like three.

[01:14:12] Yeah.

[01:14:12] Yeah.

[01:14:12] That's the impression I got from the trailers.

[01:14:15] It looked like,

[01:14:16] even if it's not,

[01:14:17] uh,

[01:14:17] you know,

[01:14:18] up,

[01:14:18] up to those standards,

[01:14:20] it's still like,

[01:14:20] it looks like they really tried.

[01:14:22] They did.

[01:14:23] Definitely.

[01:14:23] And I,

[01:14:24] I felt the same way with,

[01:14:25] uh,

[01:14:26] you know,

[01:14:26] whether or not you feel the same way about,

[01:14:29] you know,

[01:14:29] it's sequels.

[01:14:30] I felt the same way about Halloween 2018.

[01:14:33] Uh,

[01:14:33] I remember going to see that movie and I just walked out.

[01:14:36] I was like,

[01:14:36] that was a really good movie.

[01:14:38] Like I,

[01:14:38] it,

[01:14:39] it just felt like a really good conclusion.

[01:14:42] Um,

[01:14:42] I personally liked kills,

[01:14:44] uh,

[01:14:45] more,

[01:14:45] more just because I love,

[01:14:47] uh,

[01:14:48] the,

[01:14:48] the kills in Halloween kills.

[01:14:51] Um,

[01:14:51] they really went for a sort of like the,

[01:14:53] just how gory they could take it.

[01:14:55] Uh,

[01:14:56] and then ends,

[01:14:57] I,

[01:14:57] I saw what they were trying to do with that movie,

[01:15:01] but I don't hate it,

[01:15:03] but I certainly don't like it.

[01:15:05] I do.

[01:15:06] Um,

[01:15:06] I will not watch ends ever again.

[01:15:09] And my daughter and I,

[01:15:10] we saw it in theaters.

[01:15:11] We were like,

[01:15:11] what the fuck is this?

[01:15:14] I thought we came to watch.

[01:15:15] Yeah.

[01:15:16] Like,

[01:15:16] what is this?

[01:15:18] Yeah.

[01:15:19] You know what?

[01:15:20] The crazy part is like,

[01:15:21] if that movie could have just been its own thing,

[01:15:24] like not related to the,

[01:15:26] first two.

[01:15:27] Yeah.

[01:15:28] It just had Corey Cunningham's character that,

[01:15:30] okay.

[01:15:31] I could have gotten behind that film,

[01:15:32] honestly,

[01:15:33] but it's supposed to be the end of that trilogy with Michael Myers.

[01:15:38] Yeah.

[01:15:38] And they just railed so much.

[01:15:41] It was advertised like that.

[01:15:43] It was like,

[01:15:44] he got punked by that kid throughout the whole movie until the end.

[01:15:51] And he was like,

[01:15:51] I just had enough of this.

[01:15:53] It's like,

[01:15:54] well,

[01:15:54] too late now.

[01:15:54] Like dudes,

[01:15:56] dude punked.

[01:15:56] You stole your mask and,

[01:15:58] you know,

[01:15:59] left sitting there without a mask,

[01:16:01] crying in the sewer,

[01:16:02] bro.

[01:16:02] Like,

[01:16:03] yeah.

[01:16:05] Michael Myers spent five years,

[01:16:07] like just chilling in a sewer for some reason.

[01:16:09] Like it's,

[01:16:10] it's just so odd,

[01:16:12] especially how awesome the ending of kills was.

[01:16:14] You're like,

[01:16:15] okay,

[01:16:16] the beginning of the next one's got to be like epic because he just like murder,

[01:16:22] killed Karen.

[01:16:23] And like,

[01:16:24] he's just standing in his house,

[01:16:25] all bloodied up after he just slaughtered all those other people,

[01:16:29] town villagers,

[01:16:29] the mob.

[01:16:30] And he's a bad-ass.

[01:16:32] I will say I did like the open ends.

[01:16:35] Like the,

[01:16:37] the pre credit scene where like we see,

[01:16:40] uh,

[01:16:41] Corey babysitting that kid,

[01:16:43] a little shithead kid.

[01:16:44] And,

[01:16:45] um,

[01:16:46] essentially causing his death accidentally,

[01:16:48] but it looks like he killed him.

[01:16:50] I thought that was a really good scene.

[01:16:52] It was really well shot.

[01:16:53] Um,

[01:16:54] I won't deny that those movies are really well put together.

[01:16:57] Um,

[01:16:57] in terms of like cinematography and stuff like that.

[01:16:59] I just think the writing needed a,

[01:17:01] it's a bit more,

[01:17:03] uh,

[01:17:03] tinkering.

[01:17:03] 2018 was probably the best written kills had some stuff.

[01:17:07] I feel they definitely could have taken out specifically that mental

[01:17:10] patient scene,

[01:17:12] uh,

[01:17:12] at the hospital with everybody.

[01:17:14] I didn't feel like that was just dragged on.

[01:17:16] And it really wanted to hear evil dies.

[01:17:17] I gave nothing.

[01:17:18] If you fast forward,

[01:17:20] through all that part,

[01:17:21] that the movie's much better.

[01:17:23] Uh,

[01:17:24] out of the three,

[01:17:25] I actually really prefer kills because like you said,

[01:17:27] I really liked the kills in that.

[01:17:29] Um,

[01:17:30] but Michael just,

[01:17:31] and was just more vicious in that one too.

[01:17:34] Uh,

[01:17:34] it was a different,

[01:17:35] I felt like a different side of Michael.

[01:17:36] We really hadn't seen 2018 try to kind of get you there,

[01:17:40] but because they had to build those other characters and kind of give you

[01:17:45] this new story,

[01:17:46] it didn't quite hit that mark until kills happened.

[01:17:51] But you knew the shit was going to hit the fan when that firefighter scene

[01:17:54] happened,

[01:17:55] uh,

[01:17:55] which was incredible.

[01:17:57] Uh,

[01:17:59] like never in a million years where I think,

[01:18:01] Oh yeah,

[01:18:01] I'm not,

[01:18:02] Michael's just going to go on a rampage,

[01:18:03] killing a whole bunch of firefighters.

[01:18:04] Um,

[01:18:05] I'm glad that Michael is carrying on the tradition of,

[01:18:09] uh,

[01:18:09] you know,

[01:18:09] Hollywood slashers because,

[01:18:11] you know,

[01:18:11] there hasn't been another Jason or Freddie movie in over a decade now,

[01:18:15] which is sad.

[01:18:16] And in fact,

[01:18:17] recently Robert England,

[01:18:20] um,

[01:18:22] Friday the 13th,

[01:18:23] I believe is having,

[01:18:24] but I believe they've been resolved.

[01:18:26] So they're trying to get Friday the 13th.

[01:18:28] I think is resolved,

[01:18:30] but I think nightmare on Elm street has a legal thing.

[01:18:33] You know,

[01:18:35] that's why they also haven't done anything with it.

[01:18:38] Um,

[01:18:38] and that's,

[01:18:39] actually that's why trick or treat studios,

[01:18:41] uh,

[01:18:42] when they started doing the nightmare on Elm street line,

[01:18:46] they could only do certain things like prior to a certain date.

[01:18:51] Like they can't make anything new,

[01:18:53] like say from Freddie versus Jason or,

[01:18:55] or I think even past a certain,

[01:18:58] uh,

[01:18:58] or nightmare on Elm street,

[01:18:59] if I'm not mistaken,

[01:19:00] that's why I think they only did up to four stuff from all the way up to

[01:19:04] four.

[01:19:05] Um,

[01:19:05] even the Don post mask,

[01:19:07] like they're only able to do that.

[01:19:09] And the night,

[01:19:09] uh,

[01:19:10] the Friday the 13th one,

[01:19:11] because they bought Don post and that's still part of Don post studios.

[01:19:16] That's why they can produce that,

[01:19:18] but they can't do anything new.

[01:19:19] That's why you don't see any new Friday the 13th merch or anything like that,

[01:19:24] which is sucks.

[01:19:25] Cause honestly,

[01:19:25] like that 2009 remake with Derek mirrors was phenomenal.

[01:19:30] I really enjoyed that version of Jason and Friday the 13th.

[01:19:34] Oh,

[01:19:35] I thought it was okay.

[01:19:36] But,

[01:19:36] uh,

[01:19:36] have you guys seen in a violent nature?

[01:19:40] Yes.

[01:19:40] I need to,

[01:19:41] but still on my,

[01:19:42] I was thinking like when I was watching,

[01:19:45] I was like,

[01:19:46] you know what,

[01:19:46] this would be perfect as a Friday the 13th movie.

[01:19:50] Like it would be a different way to do it.

[01:19:53] Cause like,

[01:19:54] you know,

[01:19:54] if,

[01:19:54] if they're,

[01:19:55] I can't think of any series where they've,

[01:19:57] they've taken the character through so many,

[01:19:59] uh,

[01:20:00] changes,

[01:20:00] you know,

[01:20:01] where,

[01:20:01] you know,

[01:20:02] he,

[01:20:02] where he becomes like zombie Jason,

[01:20:04] then he becomes like this spirit that's going into people's bodies.

[01:20:09] Then he becomes like,

[01:20:11] yeah.

[01:20:12] Then he's like a cyborg in space.

[01:20:14] Yeah.

[01:20:14] Yeah.

[01:20:14] So like,

[01:20:15] they've done so many things with it.

[01:20:17] It's like,

[01:20:17] well,

[01:20:17] what do they do?

[01:20:18] What would they do next?

[01:20:19] And,

[01:20:19] um,

[01:20:20] I was like,

[01:20:20] well,

[01:20:21] that's a really cool way to do it.

[01:20:23] It's cause in a violent nature is basically like your traditional slasher movie,

[01:20:27] but just done in a totally fresh kind of way.

[01:20:31] I didn't think it was perfect.

[01:20:32] Like I didn't,

[01:20:33] I didn't love every single thing about it,

[01:20:35] but I really liked the idea of just following the killer around and like the kills were,

[01:20:42] were insane.

[01:20:43] It's like,

[01:20:43] there's some kills in there where I'm like,

[01:20:45] never seen that one before.

[01:20:47] That was pretty good.

[01:20:48] Um,

[01:20:50] but,

[01:20:50] uh,

[01:20:50] yeah,

[01:20:50] like the shot choices were really great.

[01:20:53] Um,

[01:20:53] just the,

[01:20:54] the,

[01:20:54] just the places where they'd put the camera,

[01:20:57] uh,

[01:20:58] where they would always be giving you some kind of information that you just get by looking

[01:21:02] instead of people explaining stuff all the time.

[01:21:05] I mean,

[01:21:06] they do have the traditional,

[01:21:07] like,

[01:21:07] you know,

[01:21:08] sit around the campfire,

[01:21:09] tell the story thing.

[01:21:11] And,

[01:21:11] uh,

[01:21:12] you know,

[01:21:12] it,

[01:21:13] it does seem like it could have been a Friday the 13th reboot of some kind.

[01:21:18] So yeah,

[01:21:19] it is a shame that it's,

[01:21:20] that that's been locked up for so long.

[01:21:23] Yeah.

[01:21:24] You know,

[01:21:25] and I know they tried it with,

[01:21:26] they tried to reboot nightmare on Elm street that one time and it didn't go over very well.

[01:21:31] So yeah,

[01:21:32] that was rough.

[01:21:33] Yeah.

[01:21:33] And now it wasn't so much like Jackie or Haley did a bad job.

[01:21:39] Um,

[01:21:40] it was just a lot of those big shoes to fill,

[01:21:41] but I think what killed it for a lot of people was his,

[01:21:45] um,

[01:21:46] design for his burns and everything.

[01:21:48] He kind of looked too derpy.

[01:21:50] It relied on people too much too.

[01:21:52] Cause it kind of ruined things like the,

[01:21:53] like coming out of the wall,

[01:21:55] like in the original movie that was done through specific filming and lighting techniques in the,

[01:22:00] in the remake,

[01:22:01] it's just CGI and not even good CGI.

[01:22:05] Um,

[01:22:05] so it's just kind of one of those things.

[01:22:07] And also like you said,

[01:22:09] James,

[01:22:10] like just bringing it in a new direction because the slasher genre has been going on since the eighties,

[01:22:16] even the seventies.

[01:22:18] Um,

[01:22:19] and it's become so stagnant that like,

[01:22:21] you just need to find new ways to reinvent it.

[01:22:23] And invite in a violent nature is one of them.

[01:22:26] I also think of like,

[01:22:28] what's one that comes to mind.

[01:22:29] I think like weird example,

[01:22:31] but the movie freaky,

[01:22:33] um,

[01:22:33] is kind of a,

[01:22:34] an interesting concept because it's combined.

[01:22:38] Uh,

[01:22:38] the one with Vince Vaughn.

[01:22:40] Yeah.

[01:22:40] It's the one.

[01:22:41] It's pretty good.

[01:22:42] Yeah.

[01:22:43] It's a really fun movie.

[01:22:44] And it's an interesting concept because it's the killer and the,

[01:22:48] the final girl,

[01:22:49] they swap bodies.

[01:22:50] So they're she's in the killer's body and they have to like,

[01:22:53] find a way to stop the killer from murdering other people.

[01:22:58] Um,

[01:22:59] so it's like those ways to like freshen it up and make it something new,

[01:23:03] um,

[01:23:04] is very needed in the horror genre.

[01:23:06] And you still get things nowadays,

[01:23:08] especially nowadays,

[01:23:09] uh,

[01:23:10] you know,

[01:23:11] independent filmmakers are coming out and they're making their own,

[01:23:14] uh,

[01:23:14] their own horror movies and,

[01:23:16] you know,

[01:23:16] making new names and in the horror community.

[01:23:20] Uh,

[01:23:21] and streaming makes it so that,

[01:23:23] uh,

[01:23:23] more content can come out.

[01:23:25] Um,

[01:23:26] it doesn't have to be in a movie theater.

[01:23:28] So,

[01:23:29] um,

[01:23:29] it's a very different time for horror.

[01:23:31] It is a good time to like,

[01:23:32] sort of do new things with it.

[01:23:35] Yeah,

[01:23:36] for sure.

[01:23:37] Um,

[01:23:38] yeah,

[01:23:39] I don't know.

[01:23:39] I,

[01:23:39] I hope especially with how big more has gotten.

[01:23:41] I mean,

[01:23:42] really,

[01:23:42] I mean,

[01:23:43] yeah,

[01:23:43] blown up last probably 10 years.

[01:23:45] I'd have to say,

[01:23:47] um,

[01:23:47] more and more conventions are happening,

[01:23:49] plugging us right here,

[01:23:50] right now for the future.

[01:23:52] Um,

[01:23:53] but at the same time,

[01:23:54] I mean,

[01:23:56] it really has,

[01:23:57] like,

[01:23:58] it's been more accepting by people and I know everything goes,

[01:24:00] goes through waves.

[01:24:02] Uh,

[01:24:02] there was a time where horror genre was pretty much dead.

[01:24:06] Um,

[01:24:07] but this whole revitalization,

[01:24:09] you're going to need more screen movies,

[01:24:10] whether good or bad.

[01:24:12] Um,

[01:24:12] you know,

[01:24:13] it's a preference,

[01:24:13] of course.

[01:24:14] Uh,

[01:24:14] I,

[01:24:14] I like where they went with the new ones kind of making fun of

[01:24:18] themselves.

[01:24:19] Uh,

[01:24:21] but it's,

[01:24:22] it's really good to see it happening,

[01:24:24] but it's really sad not to see Jason or Freddie,

[01:24:28] these kinds of big icons of horror,

[01:24:30] uh,

[01:24:30] even the leather face,

[01:24:31] um,

[01:24:32] as much.

[01:24:33] I liked the,

[01:24:34] the one that Jessica Beal was in.

[01:24:35] I thought that was a really great Texas chainsaw.

[01:24:39] Yeah.

[01:24:39] Are the one.

[01:24:41] Yes.

[01:24:42] He was so good.

[01:24:43] It's so funny.

[01:24:44] Like how the Texas chainsaw movies,

[01:24:46] you know,

[01:24:47] leather face is not like the best villain in them.

[01:24:50] Cause it's always like one of the family members.

[01:24:52] And yeah,

[01:24:53] early army.

[01:24:53] It was probably like one of the best examples of that.

[01:24:56] Cause that guy is freaky.

[01:24:59] Um,

[01:25:01] that's so funny,

[01:25:02] like scary and funny that he had.

[01:25:04] Yeah.

[01:25:04] Yeah.

[01:25:05] Drill Sergeant.

[01:25:05] He had a great acting craft.

[01:25:08] Yeah.

[01:25:08] Like the,

[01:25:09] I just,

[01:25:09] I won't forget the scene.

[01:25:11] There was nothing he wasn't in that I hated.

[01:25:14] I won't forget the scene.

[01:25:15] Like Bjorn and I,

[01:25:15] we love saving Silverman.

[01:25:17] Uh,

[01:25:17] and he,

[01:25:18] he had a great role in that too.

[01:25:19] Oh yeah.

[01:25:20] I won't forget the scene in the remake of Texas chainsaw where he's sitting like the one

[01:25:26] guy down in the car and he's like,

[01:25:28] I want you to show me how that girl killed herself.

[01:25:31] And he gives him the gun.

[01:25:32] Yeah.

[01:25:33] Put it in your mouth and pull the trigger.

[01:25:35] It's like,

[01:25:37] he does.

[01:25:38] I am so glad that you guys know that,

[01:25:40] that scene.

[01:25:41] And you guys know that movie.

[01:25:42] Cause it was like every time when that,

[01:25:43] that ever comes up with anybody,

[01:25:44] the Texas chainsaw remake.

[01:25:47] Um,

[01:25:47] I mean,

[01:25:48] before there was like tons of remakes,

[01:25:50] but like that one,

[01:25:51] they were like,

[01:25:52] Oh yeah,

[01:25:52] that's just trash.

[01:25:54] That's garbage.

[01:25:55] I'm like,

[01:25:55] but did,

[01:25:55] but did you see Arlie Ermey?

[01:25:57] Did you,

[01:25:57] did you see how good he was in that movie?

[01:26:00] Exactly.

[01:26:01] And yeah,

[01:26:02] it was,

[01:26:02] you know,

[01:26:03] there's a charm to the original Texas chainsaw where it's like,

[01:26:07] it's thrown to that grind house,

[01:26:09] like gritty,

[01:26:10] almost,

[01:26:10] almost found footage sort of thing,

[01:26:12] but not really.

[01:26:13] It's not activity.

[01:26:15] Um,

[01:26:15] but it's almost like you,

[01:26:17] you watch it and you're like,

[01:26:18] this could be real.

[01:26:20] Like that's the sort of feeling you get.

[01:26:22] The remake doesn't do that,

[01:26:24] but that's not it.

[01:26:25] That doesn't mean that it's a bad movie.

[01:26:27] It's still,

[01:26:27] yeah.

[01:26:29] They try to give you that a little bit.

[01:26:31] Like the beginning of the film started to kind of like that,

[01:26:34] but the end of the film did that too.

[01:26:36] It was like,

[01:26:36] you know,

[01:26:37] talking about that movie had a,

[01:26:40] that was,

[01:26:42] um,

[01:26:42] that was a great ending.

[01:26:44] Yeah.

[01:26:44] You would just had like the,

[01:26:45] the shots of,

[01:26:46] you had the,

[01:26:47] the police crew going into the basement and they get ambushed by

[01:26:50] Leatherface.

[01:26:51] And then it just ends on like the,

[01:26:53] the photographs of him in the dark.

[01:26:55] Mm.

[01:26:56] Yeah.

[01:26:57] I actually wanted to quickly bring up,

[01:26:59] uh,

[01:26:59] going back to the gateway horror discussion really quick.

[01:27:02] Um,

[01:27:03] I can't believe these didn't pop into my mind.

[01:27:05] Stuff like,

[01:27:06] uh,

[01:27:07] you know,

[01:27:07] not really scared,

[01:27:08] horror movies,

[01:27:09] but like Beetlejuice and gremlins and ghostbusters.

[01:27:13] Like those movies are like,

[01:27:15] have that spooky element to them,

[01:27:18] but,

[01:27:18] uh,

[01:27:18] are not straight up horror.

[01:27:20] So you could watch them when you're a kid.

[01:27:22] Um,

[01:27:23] hopefully,

[01:27:23] you know,

[01:27:24] your kid doesn't ask about the,

[01:27:26] the,

[01:27:26] the scene in ghostbusters with Dan Aykroyd and the ghost.

[01:27:29] You know what I'm talking about?

[01:27:30] Yeah.

[01:27:30] Yeah.

[01:27:30] I do.

[01:27:31] I do know what you're talking about.

[01:27:33] Um,

[01:27:35] levitating there.

[01:27:37] Yeah.

[01:27:37] Yeah.

[01:27:38] But,

[01:27:39] uh,

[01:27:39] you should say like Joe Bob,

[01:27:41] if you know what I mean,

[01:27:42] uh,

[01:27:43] uh,

[01:27:45] yeah.

[01:27:46] Uh,

[01:27:47] if you know what I mean?

[01:27:48] And I think you do.

[01:27:49] Yes.

[01:27:49] That was the one it took me a second to remember too.

[01:27:52] I was like,

[01:27:52] but,

[01:27:53] uh,

[01:27:53] movies like,

[01:27:54] uh,

[01:27:54] yeah.

[01:27:55] Like,

[01:27:55] uh,

[01:27:55] even poltergeist,

[01:27:56] like that's a movie that is technically rated PG,

[01:28:00] but that movie has a,

[01:28:01] you know,

[01:28:02] skeletons coming out of the pool and a guy ripping his own face off.

[01:28:05] Like,

[01:28:06] yeah.

[01:28:06] The face part was crazy.

[01:28:08] You know,

[01:28:09] there's the clown,

[01:28:10] there's like the tree coming in through the window and all that.

[01:28:12] And like,

[01:28:13] yeah,

[01:28:13] yeah.

[01:28:14] I mean,

[01:28:14] it's,

[01:28:14] it's,

[01:28:15] it's definitely not like a ghost movie.

[01:28:17] Um,

[01:28:18] it's more like it's,

[01:28:19] there's nothing subtle about it,

[01:28:21] but that's,

[01:28:21] that's what I like about poltergeist because I'm typically not into the ghost

[01:28:25] genre as much.

[01:28:27] Cause it's a little too,

[01:28:28] uh,

[01:28:29] abstract for me,

[01:28:30] but,

[01:28:31] but poltergeist is a totally different breed.

[01:28:33] And like,

[01:28:34] I always loved it.

[01:28:35] Just how insane it is.

[01:28:37] Mm.

[01:28:37] And even,

[01:28:38] uh,

[01:28:38] like,

[01:28:40] like beetle juice and stuff like that.

[01:28:42] And like,

[01:28:44] you know,

[01:28:44] it's more silly,

[01:28:45] you know,

[01:28:46] but it's got a lot of that sort of like weird Tim Burton style that are

[01:28:50] like really real.

[01:28:51] Tim Burton was always like the master of sort of that,

[01:28:54] that gateway hard,

[01:28:56] the,

[01:28:57] with that and corpse bride and nightmare before Christmas and stuff like

[01:29:01] that.

[01:29:01] He just had these amazing designs for things in his movies.

[01:29:06] and recently,

[01:29:06] you know,

[01:29:07] we were talking earlier about like practical effects versus CG.

[01:29:10] Uh,

[01:29:11] and it's so good to hear that,

[01:29:13] you know,

[01:29:13] practical effects were mostly used in the beetle juice sequel.

[01:29:18] Um,

[01:29:19] from what I've heard,

[01:29:20] there wasn't much CG where there didn't need to be.

[01:29:23] Yeah.

[01:29:24] That's how it seemed.

[01:29:25] Yeah.

[01:29:26] I mean,

[01:29:26] it's,

[01:29:27] it's the way it should be.

[01:29:28] And if I,

[01:29:29] if I had in my way,

[01:29:30] you know,

[01:29:31] CG would only be used when it needed to be.

[01:29:33] And not,

[01:29:34] it kind of seems like we're getting back to that spot.

[01:29:37] I think people are kind of CG'd out at this point.

[01:29:40] Yeah.

[01:29:41] Yeah.

[01:29:42] Like to use it more wisely.

[01:29:44] It's a little more,

[01:29:45] uh,

[01:29:46] people can.

[01:29:47] Well,

[01:29:47] when you get,

[01:29:48] uh,

[01:29:48] stuff that today is garbage because of CG,

[01:29:53] like,

[01:29:54] uh,

[01:29:54] the flash movie that Michael Keaton was in,

[01:29:56] uh,

[01:29:57] the CGI,

[01:29:58] and that was just atrocious.

[01:30:00] I mean,

[01:30:00] there was literally stuff from 90s television.

[01:30:04] That was using CGI.

[01:30:07] For instance,

[01:30:08] we talked about goosebumps.

[01:30:09] The nineties TV series had,

[01:30:11] I think better CGI than that film did.

[01:30:14] That's crazy.

[01:30:15] That's absolutely crazy in this day and age for a multimillion dollar movie to have that kind of CGI in it compared to a nineties kid show.

[01:30:24] Uh,

[01:30:24] another question for you,

[01:30:26] James,

[01:30:26] uh,

[01:30:26] you know,

[01:30:27] we've been talking about all these different aspects of horror.

[01:30:29] You mean you've watched so many horror movies and done so many reviews.

[01:30:33] What would you say are like the best aspects of a good horror movie?

[01:30:38] Like the best aspects in terms of storytelling?

[01:30:41] Um,

[01:30:43] yeah,

[01:30:44] just the,

[01:30:44] uh,

[01:30:45] the,

[01:30:45] the suspense,

[01:30:46] uh,

[01:30:46] really good acting,

[01:30:48] uh,

[01:30:48] you know,

[01:30:49] great cinematography.

[01:30:51] Uh,

[01:30:52] yeah,

[01:30:52] yeah.

[01:30:52] Like all,

[01:30:53] all those things.

[01:30:54] I agree very much.

[01:30:56] So,

[01:30:57] and,

[01:30:57] uh,

[01:30:57] the middle and the twist.

[01:30:59] Yeah.

[01:31:01] Uh,

[01:31:02] yeah,

[01:31:02] definitely.

[01:31:03] Well,

[01:31:03] and the best horror movies are the ones that really,

[01:31:07] I mean,

[01:31:08] we can,

[01:31:09] we love the schlocky stuff,

[01:31:10] but some of the best horror movies are the ones that like,

[01:31:13] sometimes aren't even like fully meant to scare you.

[01:31:17] Like I think of some of my absolute favorite horror movies of all time.

[01:31:20] One that comes to mind is,

[01:31:22] uh,

[01:31:23] like the thing,

[01:31:25] um,

[01:31:26] the,

[01:31:26] the,

[01:31:26] obviously the remake,

[01:31:27] it's a classic.

[01:31:28] Um,

[01:31:29] that's a movie that like,

[01:31:31] it's so suspenseful at every single turn in that when it gets to like the

[01:31:37] really like super scary stuff,

[01:31:39] it hits you even harder because you're like just on the edge of your seat.

[01:31:44] And I just,

[01:31:44] I remember the,

[01:31:46] the blood testing.

[01:31:48] Like that whole scene is a masterclass in suspense.

[01:31:51] And then just boom,

[01:31:53] there it goes.

[01:31:53] Like,

[01:31:54] it's not like there's no,

[01:31:56] as you call them,

[01:31:56] like there's no fake scares,

[01:31:57] like,

[01:31:58] or anything.

[01:31:58] It's just pure.

[01:32:00] Like something happens.

[01:32:02] We're on the adrenaline rush.

[01:32:04] There's a lot.

[01:32:04] So that's going to lead into a question I'm going to have for every single one of you.

[01:32:08] The end of that film,

[01:32:10] because Bjorn,

[01:32:11] you've seen it,

[01:32:11] right?

[01:32:12] You've seen John Carpenter's the thing.

[01:32:14] Yeah.

[01:32:15] Of course.

[01:32:15] Okay.

[01:32:16] So the ending,

[01:32:18] do you think one of them isn't actually who they are?

[01:32:24] Oh,

[01:32:24] that's a good question.

[01:32:26] I mean,

[01:32:26] I never really thought of it that way.

[01:32:28] Yeah.

[01:32:29] It's,

[01:32:29] I think I just assumed that they were both just kind of doomed.

[01:32:32] Yeah.

[01:32:33] Like they're just,

[01:32:34] you know,

[01:32:34] they're like,

[01:32:35] apparently there's an answer out there,

[01:32:37] but it's so divided still.

[01:32:38] Like,

[01:32:39] you don't know if it's,

[01:32:40] if McCready is who he is.

[01:32:42] And I do believe he is.

[01:32:45] But I can't,

[01:32:46] I'm blanking on the name.

[01:32:47] Who is the other guy with him at the end?

[01:32:51] the,

[01:32:55] Oh man,

[01:32:55] let's see.

[01:32:56] It's that time.

[01:32:57] My brain is mushed.

[01:33:01] No,

[01:33:02] I can't remember either,

[01:33:03] but I know what you're,

[01:33:04] I know what you're saying.

[01:33:05] It's like,

[01:33:06] you just,

[01:33:06] you're kind of supposedly some people think it's him though.

[01:33:10] Like,

[01:33:10] but then I go back and look,

[01:33:13] cause they say you can't see his breath.

[01:33:16] Okay.

[01:33:17] I thought maybe in one of those scenes I did see.

[01:33:19] So it's kind of like,

[01:33:20] I don't know.

[01:33:21] See,

[01:33:21] it's still really thrown up,

[01:33:22] but it's very divisive.

[01:33:24] But I personally think,

[01:33:25] yeah,

[01:33:25] that McCready is the only one left that is still human.

[01:33:28] Well,

[01:33:29] and also there's a,

[01:33:30] the fly when Jeff Goldblum,

[01:33:32] which I think is that.

[01:33:33] And the thing are like some of the best remakes of all time.

[01:33:37] I wouldn't even say it makes a best remakes of all time,

[01:33:40] but the fly is so disgusting and grotesque.

[01:33:44] Like it's so funny whenever I show that movie to someone for the first time

[01:33:48] and I just watch their reaction to certain scenes.

[01:33:52] It's just like,

[01:33:53] it honestly,

[01:33:54] that's as entertaining as watching the movie.

[01:33:56] But that movie is almost like a tragedy.

[01:33:58] Like by the end of the movie,

[01:34:01] you know,

[01:34:01] Jeff Goldblum's character is so disgusting and contorted.

[01:34:05] Like at this point,

[01:34:06] he's literally like become the machine.

[01:34:08] He's just got like machine parts growing out of him.

[01:34:11] And he just puts the gun on his head.

[01:34:12] There's no words.

[01:34:13] It's just,

[01:34:14] you know,

[01:34:15] it's just his girlfriend crying,

[01:34:17] blows his head off.

[01:34:18] And that's how the movie ends.

[01:34:19] Like there's no happy ending.

[01:34:20] There's no resolution.

[01:34:21] It's just,

[01:34:22] yeah,

[01:34:22] that's it.

[01:34:25] It's just those granular pieces of storytelling that really make for good

[01:34:29] horror or just like,

[01:34:30] good suspense.

[01:34:32] Alfred Hitchcock was a masterclass at suspense.

[01:34:37] Definitely.

[01:34:38] Absolutely.

[01:34:39] Yeah.

[01:34:40] Child was the other person.

[01:34:42] I had to look it up.

[01:34:43] Okay.

[01:34:44] I'm crazy.

[01:34:45] Yeah.

[01:34:46] What would you say are some of your favorite horror movies,

[01:34:50] James?

[01:34:52] Oh,

[01:34:53] let's see.

[01:34:53] I always give the same answer.

[01:34:55] I know.

[01:34:55] I think my,

[01:34:56] my number one might be night living dead.

[01:34:58] Had,

[01:34:58] if I had to,

[01:34:59] well,

[01:35:00] actually,

[01:35:00] you know what?

[01:35:01] That's tough.

[01:35:02] Cause then I think maybe jaws.

[01:35:03] Cause jaws is like a lot of times.

[01:35:05] Like I kind of forget that's a horror movie,

[01:35:07] but it is,

[01:35:07] it's like totally a horror movie.

[01:35:10] Um,

[01:35:13] so like that might be my number one.

[01:35:17] But when I think horror movie,

[01:35:18] I think more like night living dead because it's,

[01:35:20] it's,

[01:35:21] it's black and white,

[01:35:22] but it's kind of modern as well.

[01:35:24] It sort of has like old tropes,

[01:35:26] but it has newer tropes that it's set as well.

[01:35:29] Um,

[01:35:30] but any zombie movie today,

[01:35:31] everything is all from night living dead.

[01:35:34] Um,

[01:35:35] I like it that it's like a little bit cheesy,

[01:35:37] but it's not too cheesy.

[01:35:38] And it has like that,

[01:35:40] you know,

[01:35:40] that serious,

[01:35:41] uh,

[01:35:42] uh,

[01:35:43] you know,

[01:35:43] where,

[01:35:43] where like the,

[01:35:44] the people are the monsters in it and like,

[01:35:46] they're all fighting with each other.

[01:35:47] They can't get along.

[01:35:49] Um,

[01:35:51] I think like it has more depth than a lot of,

[01:35:54] uh,

[01:35:55] you know,

[01:35:56] a lot of other monster movies.

[01:35:57] Mm-hmm.

[01:35:58] It,

[01:35:58] it goes back to,

[01:36:00] you know,

[01:36:00] sort of the,

[01:36:01] you're focused on like the human connections in that moment.

[01:36:04] Um,

[01:36:05] the zombies are like the outside force,

[01:36:09] you know,

[01:36:09] the main conflict is really going on between the characters because their

[01:36:12] actions can lead to whether or not they live or they die.

[01:36:16] Um,

[01:36:17] you know,

[01:36:17] and that sort of sense.

[01:36:19] So I completely,

[01:36:20] I completely agree.

[01:36:22] 100%.

[01:36:23] Um,

[01:36:24] well,

[01:36:25] I guess I got one more question before we end off the night and I'm

[01:36:28] going to bring it all back to,

[01:36:29] uh,