Inside the Biddle House (ft. Ben Cockell)

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[00:04:22] week's topic so of course here on The Goosebumps Crew Podcast we talk about everything Goosebumps who talk about the books, movies, video games, merch, whatever it is but we also talk about Goosebumps

[00:04:32] TV shows but in today's case we're not talking about the Goosebumps 90s show from Fox Kids they ran from 95 to 98. We are talking about the new kid on the block that's Goosebumps 2023 which made its premiere last October and it featured the likes of folks like Justin Long,

[00:04:51] Rachel Harris, Zach Morris, Miles McKinnon, Easebrioans, tons of other people and the subject of today who is joining us and that is. Hello I am Ben Cockel. I played here a little bit on the new Disney Plus Goosebumps series and thank you so much for having me on.

[00:05:09] Absolutely Ben we're glad to have you so of course as he said he played Harold Bittel, the Ghost antagonist in Goosebumps 2023 and we're going to be talking about that series of the wonderful new things that it brought to the Goosebumps canon and talk about some of

[00:05:28] the things that happened on set and behind the scenes so if you guys like today's episode again make sure you like comment and subscribe. Now for those of you who are not familiar with Goosebumps

[00:05:40] 2023 I'll break it down for you really quick so of course we had the Goosebumps books that were super poppy were in the 90s which led to an eventual TV show adaptation that aired on Fox Kids

[00:05:52] from 1995 to 1998 then about 17 years later we got the first Goosebumps movie from Sony Pictures in Columbia and featured Jack Black as the main character RL Stein as well as Dylan Manette

[00:06:07] but they are Russian and Ryan Lee and it was a pretty big commercial success and a pretty good critical success so of course we got sequel in 2020 2018 and while it didn't do as well I still think

[00:06:19] it was a pretty good movie in my personal opinion but we're not going to be a good for us there's some people who don't agree but we think so and our opinions matter of course so.

[00:06:32] But after the sequel came out there wasn't any other Goosebumps on-screen adaptations until we got the teaser for a brand new series coming to Disney Plus and that's what we got in October 2023 we had a 10 episode season that made its premiere the first five episodes were actually released

[00:06:51] on the same day and then every other episode came out the weeks after. Now of course Ben's joining us and he played as I said the main antagonist of the new show that being the ghost of

[00:07:03] Harold Bittle he is the individual who ends up dying in a house fire and it comes back as a spirit 20 years later to antagonize our main characters by cursing several items that we didn't

[00:07:16] to adaptations of the original Goosebumps books. Now I guess my first question for your Ben is how did you get involved in this new series? Well I had auditioned a while ago for Harold who

[00:07:30] I don't know if you guys had heard of this but originally his name was Horace so originally the character was Horace Bittle I'm glad they changed the name for my sake because it would have been

[00:07:42] really funny here people repeatedly say like it was Horace and stuff like that. Not as creepy. Yeah well actually Horace is pretty creepy it's a little creepy but it's a very different name it's a very split you know so yeah so I auditioned when he was Horace Bittle

[00:08:02] with a scene that it was like one scene between Horace and the Sarah character that they re wrote later so that particular scene I auditioned with wasn't in the show and then I didn't

[00:08:15] hear back from it for quite a long time and so I thought that it had gone away and then I was at Halloween party I think on like it was like very close to Halloween and I was dressed as a vampire

[00:08:27] and I got an email that production wanted photographs of like all sides of my head and like like that it was like moving fast so like you know do it you know and in good time and I said

[00:08:39] guys I would love to I'm currently completely dressed like Dracula and have blood on my face so maybe not the best time but I was like I will wake up early tomorrow and get them those photos

[00:08:49] so I woke up like like 6 a.m. and shower and sent the photos and then it was just like a few days of waiting just to see you know what had happened it was all moving really quickly and it seemed like

[00:09:04] I was you know really in the running for it and then kind of amazingly on Halloween morning I found out that I had booked this series and I got a call I had recently gotten an LA manager and

[00:09:19] they like I was woken up by the call that it was going to be happening and I was like just completely over the moon I was I was so excited I had no idea how big the part was yet like I that

[00:09:33] realization was a celebration later all I knew that I was this is that I was going to be in like four episodes of the show at and that it was you know Harold Bittel and that I was a ghost so I didn't

[00:09:45] know any of the specifics really but I hopped on a zoom call with Rob Letterman and Erno Malley and a lot and just a Smith and a lot of the creative and producing team behind the show

[00:09:58] and they kind of broke down the whole season for me and told me about you know where it was going and kind of welcomed me and I was just like I felt like a kid in a candy shop because I had no

[00:10:11] idea that it was going to be like the opening scene of the show that I was going to be the central antagonist and I also certainly didn't know that I was going to get to lead an episode so all of these things

[00:10:21] were like enormously exciting to me and it moved really fast I was one of the last people cast in the show so like days after getting it we started shooting that opening sequence and it was like

[00:10:35] off to the races like it was a trial by aire and you know I didn't have a lot of time to prepare so it was just like okay trust your training you know ask your mom for help there's no lines

[00:10:48] so you can't really prepare those it's just all going to be physical acting and it's going to be this like four page opening scene that we're just going to you know go into and it's

[00:10:57] going to be a gauntlet because I'd never done stuff where it was just me before like in the past I'd always had scene partners and you know dialogue and stuff so you know it was kind of material

[00:11:10] that I hadn't gotten the opportunity to do where it's like all this really specific blocking and it's I was the soul focused of it for for that step so it was a it was a big learning curve

[00:11:20] and but I'm happy with how it all came together in the end but yeah it was a very exciting world wind I was like you know just add a Halloween party with my friends and then all of a sudden I was

[00:11:32] I was doing this within like a week so I was like kind of pinching myself it was pretty crazy that's the long story now I got involved that's the long story oh my god did you like

[00:11:44] I got asked did you run up straight to your local bookstore just taking up some goosebob and folks yeah absolutely you know like I anytime that you get to do an adaptation of something

[00:11:56] I mean I I've been a huge nerd about stuff in the past like game of thrones and Harry Potter and so when you're gonna step into someone else's pond of like okay there are people like me

[00:12:06] about the things I love about this thing you know I want to know you know as much as I can and a short amount of time about said things so I was in a different Disney plus show called

[00:12:15] the Mysterious Benedict Society for two seasons and I was a big fan of those books growing up so I already had you know a basis and but I certainly re-read those and then again for this I was like okay

[00:12:27] they actually didn't have it at the chapters near me they didn't they had newer goosebumps books from like you know these and releases yeah they didn't carry any of the originals in stock at chapters which I was

[00:12:38] really surprised by so I am as on prime delivery these three and god classic yeah the living dummy haunted mask and say cheese and die just so I knew I was gonna be in all three of these I was like I

[00:12:56] need to I knew kind of that I wasn't really in kuku clock or go eat worms very much so I was like okay probably I'll read this in process I don't probably need to read the entire book but I

[00:13:06] I've sped red these these ones when I booked it yeah that's awesome did you have any knowledge of goosebumps before you got involved with the series yeah no absolutely because you know I mean

[00:13:17] obviously my generation was more of the Harry Potter and Percy Jackson scholastic book fair kids but they were still there and the covers were just like so you know iconic and memorable um

[00:13:32] so I'd certainly seen them and I'd read sageies and die I'd read these three before these were the only three that I'd read but I had read those and I specifically remember sageies and die

[00:13:41] sticking with me as just a really creepy idea like I I don't know just as a kid it really the idea of what I would see if a photo was taken of myself uh it's just such a smart story mechanic and so

[00:13:56] I just remember that that book specifically uh sticking with me but then when I reread haunted mask I was like oh this is the best one this is like the best book that's definitely a

[00:14:07] nicks favorite story of them all that's that's your favorite one okay well I just feel like I would tell you that any like uh series it's just like a it's just well written it's just a good

[00:14:16] book I mean they all are but now one particular I was like oh this is just just just a great book standalone absolutely I mean again those those three books are definitely good ones to uh you know to start out with

[00:14:27] and revisit because they are definitely among some of the best um honestly we all agree a one thing I think we all agree on one thing we all preferred the second not of the living dummy

[00:14:40] well that was the first one I've had slapy and some really the pair that's the building that's why I would like when I read this one I was like okay well the episode's nothing like they're

[00:14:49] said all but it was still fun because I want to like get into it but yeah no there's it's all Mr Woods you know really get yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there's laughing that way but I'd seen

[00:14:59] also the the movie that Rob Letterman made when it had come out so I would say I was like you know when I was auditioning for the show was called Port Lawrence 93 and I immediately knew

[00:15:11] that was a line that it was goosebumps because I saw at the top of the script that it said say she's in die so I was versus nothing goosebumps that I was able to immediately tell that I

[00:15:20] wasn't fact auditioning for goosebumps but uh but I I learned more like I read this anopsis of of the original 62 because I wanted to get the you know Easter eggs if there was any and so

[00:15:32] I know the names of them and stuff like that but I haven't read all of them yeah oh and it's uh again I mean you know neither the living dummy sage he's nine a horn mask or good picks but then he had

[00:15:42] picks like um kuku kakabooom and golly worms I think you've done your an expecting those to be a dad oh no you know yeah especially golly and I thought golly worms is one of the better

[00:15:56] episodes of of the series it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was what I have heard it's not a well regarded but so my favorite episode but before I saw that one

[00:16:09] because the first five I like I said the first five came out on the same day so I got to see the first five episodes um but before neither living dummy I would have said golly worms with my

[00:16:19] favorite episode it's not yeah I mean I'm a little bit of a little bit because I lived it partially uh but yeah no I I'm a fan of mine but my second favorite is golly worms I thought

[00:16:31] um that will was just great in that and uh I thought the same like his relationship put with a Rachel I really believed them as mother and son and and yeah to great um the director of that

[00:16:42] episode is a really accomplished stuntman and so I thought the action in that episode was excellent all the stuff with the chase all the motorcycle stunts and stuff in that it's probably my favorite

[00:16:53] action from the show and I think that's largely because they got such a talented action filmmaker to you know do it I agree and I mean again it's it's not a book I would have you know it's definitely not one

[00:17:06] of the ones I would have expected to be in the lineup because me personally golly worms is not one of my favorite goosebumps books uh I don't think he's always very engaging even you know when we

[00:17:17] we talk with Tim DeCobas who did the original artwork he said that was actually one of his least favorite covers he's done um it all as least favorite book in the series it's not one of his least

[00:17:27] favorite but hits I don't think it's one he looks back super fondly on either okay yeah the barking ghost I think he said is as definitive like most dislike book he's wrote but um but golly worms

[00:17:42] yeah they managed to make a book and a 90s episode that I didn't like but they made it into one of the best episodes of this new series and it's because they changed um the concept um I like the idea

[00:17:56] of these worms sort of taking over your body and then it makes it's almost like I've avoided to like the venom symbiote where it's like it becomes a party you and then it's like you have these

[00:18:10] false like advantages is like oh I can do these stunts and not you know like have no physical repercussions because my bone will just snap right back in the place that was that was a really good

[00:18:22] one body bar too like like just yeah the worms like you could see the worms like crawling under his skin and it's like oh yeah no that was really good and yeah I think they were trying

[00:18:38] to tackle different genres in those first five kind of and I think that was clearly their their body horror episode and I'm very partial as a horror fan to that genre so you know I was trying

[00:18:48] to like it yeah the fly is still in a my personal favorite horror movie the Jeff Golden one oh yeah so good John Carpenter's the thing probably amazing all that body snatchers he's body horror stuff is like so right up my alley so yeah anything like that

[00:19:08] the best of 80s practical effects too in fact I actually think the fly not only did these main special effects practical special effects person wouldn't ask her I think it was the first credit in the whole movie not the director not the producer not even Jeff Golden

[00:19:25] it was the practical special effects guy that's how good they were so is that Rob Boteen there is like I think so I know like he did she did the thing I'm pretty yeah he did he did the thing

[00:19:41] but I don't know if he did the fly I wouldn't be surprised though it was amazing amazing oh yeah I mean like stuff like that is just it's why like I personally think horror

[00:19:56] should not have CGI and it's just because CGI is a balancing act it's like you can it can look great but it could also look very bad and yeah horror is unfortunately a genre where I don't

[00:20:10] think they get it right most of the time but practical effects is like even though it's all fake it's still like because it's real and it's like it's a physical thing that the actors are

[00:20:24] interacting with it comes off as real so yeah I know it's much more visceral and when you can when it's practical but I do love the marriage of digital and practical effects especially when they're invisible like you know the in that opening scene in goosebumps when the

[00:20:42] shandleer falls on and hits the ground and all that like there was no shandleer that was you know digital so there's stuff like that where it's like okay when it's so vivid yeah there's no

[00:20:51] shandleer there at all just a sandwich oh wow they just dropped the sandbag from the sink so there you go you know like when you're surprised I was great you know that's what I mean

[00:21:01] CGI is really like that but you know when you see something that's out of this world that CGI you know that that couldn't exist so you're like playing closer attention to it but I mean in

[00:21:15] horror in CGI when you're replicating something that can exist in this world often you have no idea and it's a little bit of movie magic yeah definitely going back to that opening scene because

[00:21:27] that's quite a way to start the series because you know when you especially when you start a series especially like one with a connecting storyline you really need to like hook in the viewers so

[00:21:38] that they want to watch every six-sync episode when I first watched the first episode and it begins with the it you know drops all the hints of like the objects that will become prominent in future

[00:21:50] episodes but it also just like it gets dark in a hurry like the whole house just sets a fire and then the last shot is that explosion and then like the face that's made out of the fire

[00:22:06] and then that that's the opening that's what your left with so it was a great opening scene um how you you said that took only just a few days after you got cast?

[00:22:16] yeah well we started I started on it like yeah three days after I was cast was when I had my first day my first day was actually from the haunted mask but it didn't make it to the final cut it was just

[00:22:31] a scene of Isabella running out with the haunted mask and I was just looming on the balcony looking on creepy at her and stuff and so it was like really short I didn't have any lines

[00:22:43] most of the time as a ghost I didn't have any lines but regardless it was a nice way just to like meet people and you know get the feel for the show and then my real first day was

[00:22:55] you know at the house and doing you know all of the walking through a puddle towards towards the house and getting the cocoa powder, cocoa powder that I'm eating and walking

[00:23:08] through the hallways going into the basement with the worms and all that like a lot of that was like the real first day and it was it was intense but it was also really exciting and that was very

[00:23:19] grateful that I got to do the burn later um the actual stuff with the pyre techniques and all the all the burning stuff I got to do later in the shoot but some of that early stuff all a lot

[00:23:32] of the haunted house stuff with the door slamming and the shandle ears falling and that that was within those my first first two days it was very intense because it was some of the first days that

[00:23:41] they were just shooting periods so everyone's like okay how's the show gonna go and I didn't have any other scene partners I was like okay this is like you know I'm not the lead of the show but for this

[00:23:52] you know this four minute chunk or whatever it's just me and it's the first thing all these fans are gonna see so I was like okay very sudden responsibility and I just tried to hang in there

[00:24:03] and learn what I could um and yeah yeah give them my best shot. I always love and hard just the idea of the cold open um because in every show you have uh the scene before the opening credits and uh

[00:24:19] it's always great when a horror show can hook you in with something that again it gets dark really fast because it hooks you into like well how did this all happen like what did the sleet to um

[00:24:30] oh I even at first it's like because going and you might have the idea that you know herald is gonna be you know the ghost that's haunting everything but it's like but how did how did he end up

[00:24:40] in this situation like is there something else going on behind the scenes so it sprinkles those little those little seeds of knowledge in your head that you kind of want to be like well I kind of

[00:24:50] want to know what happens now so yeah and it opens with real death which I think is something that's very common in the series so it's kind of immediately like a teenager's dad yeah which is

[00:25:03] like very different uh for the series from everything that I've been able to to tell um I mean I guess there's ghosts in the series but there's not a lot of like okay here's a here's a

[00:25:14] child and now the child is dead you know that felt okay a decision to be like plant your flag this show is going to be darker um I think that it that and I was nervous to see the the finished

[00:25:26] product but Rob thankfully showed it to me on his phone like near around when they were shooting the final episodes he showed me the sequence on on his phone and he was happy with it and you

[00:25:37] know wanted to see my reaction to it and I was glad he did that because then when the show came out I was like a little bit more relaxed because I'd already you know seen it but still very nervous

[00:25:46] it's like okay okay I've seen the version of this now it didn't have music though so that was it was nice when I'd had music that helped a lot yeah there's a lot of me just looking

[00:25:57] right around with worms and stuff that was like okay the song helps the song helps that's the thing it's like in the situation like that where there's no music you know yeah if music isn't that's

[00:26:09] like 70% of like a film it makes it you know at Orisho you know and that's the one thing I noticed straight away like he said too is you know it was just so dark like right out of the gate like

[00:26:19] because I remember I was watching it with my partner for the first time and the first thing she said after that opening scene was I thought group's pulse was a kid serious I'm gonna get her doll and

[00:26:30] I hope that you would say that yeah so I was like oh they wanted to go darker with it and they did and you know they sold the audience right away with that opening scene but like he said that was

[00:26:40] three days off you got the part so it's like talk about diving right into the fire like straight away it was intense I was nervous I was honored it was it was really exciting and and yeah I kind of

[00:26:52] alluded to this recently but or just previously but you know you don't really practice those scenes when you're auditioning or anything like that like you don't get sent an audition and it's like

[00:27:01] okay just walk around this house and live in it or even in acting classes that's not to seem that you get assigned so it's kind of the type of skills that you only really get from experience

[00:27:10] and so that's why I was like okay wow like this is a lot harder than I think because you the more times you do the same action of putting a worm in a tanker you know grabbing some cocoa powder

[00:27:22] I can tell you story about the cocoa powder that was brutal but that you know it suddenly becomes kind of mechanical and not life like because you've done it so many times and so that was

[00:27:33] one of my first times encountering that where I was like oh this stuff that looks easy is way harder than I just you got a like faint real terror like to make it look believable it's like

[00:27:45] yeah some people who can like act terrified but you know it's just an act and then there's folks who like can really make it look like they're in like real peril so and you know when you're doing

[00:27:56] horror you got to get it right you got to you got to sell that this is dangerous and that people are like feeling real fear without being in you know a real danger yeah and there were like music

[00:28:09] helps like I don't know a lot of scenes I mean try to imagine the 78 Halloween film and Michael Myers without his music you know to me and it's like it doesn't really set the tone when you're just

[00:28:21] got complete silence because I mean obviously he doesn't talk he just kind of stalks so the music really sets the tone he is the slapy before slapy he walks and stalks you know

[00:28:37] yep but um so yeah so after that opening scene you know we're off to the races and we're introduced to our five main characters and then they go well actually I believe we're actually introduced first to Justin Wong's character Nathan Bratt he moves into Harold's old house

[00:28:57] and that's when things start getting really spooky because the kids end up having a party at his house not knowing he's there which is really funny when he shows about there just like uh I own this house

[00:29:12] everybody get out he improvised a lot of those lines when he's kicking everybody out and I just found them like really really funny like the stuff where he's like shouting out the guy dressed as

[00:29:23] Thor and I don't know there's a lot of funny jokes that that he improvised during that that bit where he's kicking people out. He was a great decision to that show is Justin Wong just

[00:29:35] being Justin Wong and being a very charismatic and funny and yeah the best dude. It's a scene man who are just being like possessed by you and he's just like doing the weird like dance and stuff

[00:29:47] like that. That stuff totally blew me away I couldn't believe I knew that scenery is going down the hallway some of like the best physical acting in the show and and uh I well I was in the other room

[00:30:02] because we were going to do the near gag and uh but before we did that I wanted to see him on the monitor so I watched him on the monitor doing that uh listening to sound all out just so blown

[00:30:12] away at his flexibility at his commitment and the fact that that wasn't really choreographed that's just him like he just goes into that space and improvises that physical comedy pretty much um

[00:30:24] he is just a naturally gifted physical performer and I mean he's been doing it for a really really long time but he commits to like he was seeing a physiotherapist a lot because for a lot of this

[00:30:36] stuff he just threw himself with full force into these lockers and stuff and you know they're not padded because they didn't know he was going to do that he just goes and I feel like I'm

[00:30:48] obviously figured it out for the camera would be in the right place at any given time it wasn't completely chaos but I mean so much of it he was just improvising these comedic bits and it was

[00:30:59] like just a treat to watch the whole crew loved watching him do physical comedy it's like you know there's just like a dodgeball training exactly all the dark he must have me

[00:31:09] so many bruises on his legs and stuff when he was throwing himself into lockers on under the ground I'm like man he must have been like a cup of it like when there's like times when like

[00:31:19] because here's the thing about like ghost possession is like you obviously we don't know anything about ghost possession but he almost makes it look like it's like your body is just being like forcibly like moved into when you're being possessed because like even the scenery heralds looking

[00:31:39] at him in the mirror herald himself is not doing anything but he's just like his arm is like jolting and you hear it can like he's here bones cracking and it's like what does that feel like

[00:31:50] because you know most times they do a ghost thing it's just like you know they just kind of like go inside and it's just like I mean yeah they're probably will be something that's the scene

[00:32:01] the mirror saying I love that scene like it's just that was probably like one of the most eary scenes in the whole show you know between you and him and just like how he's looking at you

[00:32:10] through the mirror I was like man this is just this is so cool like yeah that's probably my favorite moment actually from the oh sure that's awesome to hear oh thanks for saying that really fun

[00:32:21] to shoot um that was yeah I think it's one of the most traditional like horror looking scenes in the show um it looked a lot creepier than I expected it to and I finally saw I mean I thought it'd be creepy

[00:32:31] but the way it ended up looking I was like oh that's like properly creepy um and uh yeah it was it was cool how we did it too I mean there was that bathroom was a set um so that was on a sound stage

[00:32:45] and they you know had a mirror that they could put in they could also pop out that mirror so I went on the other side of the mirror and they had an identical sink on that side of the mirror

[00:32:55] that they built and then they had a green screen behind me so that they could mirror the sat to be identical on the other side of me um and it was just really cool to see you know how they

[00:33:05] constructed it and having you know basically identical uh syncs setups on either side of this divider wall in the sound stage and again work with Justin was just so fun I mean he's just like

[00:33:16] the best guy he was so supportive of me and he's um yeah just to kind of a hero he's an amazing guy yeah I got I almost got like let's get invisible vibes even with that shot like I don't know if

[00:33:28] that was a little in reference I were putting in there like you know but I kind of got that vibe of let's get invisible like I mean I know it's not obviously just someone's reflection he's seen

[00:33:39] I kind of got that my feel of looking through the mirror and seeing like it that evil you know presence like staring back at it and I kind of I got that vibe you know like is that a little hidden

[00:33:49] reference because they did a lot of it in the show there was even like I think there was one shot early on as a where had like multiple in like a little jar or something like in oh oh is that's in my

[00:34:00] that's on my desk I'm pretty sure yeah yeah there was a green jar that was there that was slime yeah well it's like yeah I mean it never it never came back in the show it is cool I mean

[00:34:15] there was um I don't know if the camera ever lingered on it but there was you know the lots of summer camp posters in the whole in the high school hallways yes it had been put

[00:34:28] there by the product department I remember I was on like a lunch break and I came back early and I was just walking around the high school set by myself which was really cool and I was just

[00:34:38] looking at the bulletin board and I would I'd notice like the book references in the on the posters for the different summer camps that appear in the books and so I was like oh that's a cool they hit

[00:34:48] that there yeah so they did that a lot and then the library too in the background there was a lot of goosebumps just like on the back shell and I just probably didn't even

[00:34:57] I knew we had to do this but there was even the goosebumps movie novel from the first movie chilling on like the back in one shot and I'm like oh he had to you know what I mean

[00:35:08] I mean if one of the characters did it up the goosebumps book they'd be reading the same story is that like a time period of actual something I think you could get a strange loop if they

[00:35:18] that did happen no I read I read a little bit of night to the living dummy in that in that library when we were eating because they had them all there and I was like well first I noticed them

[00:35:34] on the carousel and I was kind of dumb and I thought that it was just like naturally there and then I looked at every single carousel and had goosebumps books and I was like okay it's

[00:35:42] I think this is sad that I was like it's too it's too coincidental that I was like yeah maybe I just keep in sure that the original 90s show with that I think too like in that

[00:35:55] vein because they used to hide goosebumps like books in the background like on like the kids shells like the the voice with the goosebumps two thumbs up yeah on the bus so they kind of

[00:36:08] like even transitioning to this show they still can't do some like in the background I'm like man like I just I love that they're doing yeah you know on the crafts on those on that show it just

[00:36:18] had such an amazing attention to detail and yeah really you know given the nature of the plot you and Justin probably had to have a lot of time together both on and off screen but

[00:36:31] how does it feel that yeah I mean like it's cool because Justin also essentially plays your you essentially play Justin Wong playing you yeah exactly no it was so I mean it was so cool

[00:36:46] to get to to share a character with Justin Long was just that was so amazing and you know we both have different interpretations of Harold but we had conversations I mean there wasn't time to talk

[00:36:58] to him before we did that like intro sequence and stuff but as as the show progressed and we got to spend more and more time together there was definitely those conversations of how to even though we were doing slightly different things with him doing more comedy and darkness

[00:37:14] you know how to how to merge these things so that it felt like a consistent character throughout and it was so cool having those conversations with him especially trying to like unify our dancing

[00:37:26] that was that was fun he shot him dance before I shot my dance and so they wanted me to dance how I would dance but they also showed me his dance and I stole a few moves of his so that there

[00:37:39] was some dancing consistency and yeah I know it was it was so cool to get to work with Justin and kind of share that character. I remember that was one of the first scenes that got you know previewed on

[00:37:51] YouTube and it's funny because yeah it is it is such like it's almost like something out of an 80s movie like even down to the music choice is just you know Mr. Brad just like dancing around

[00:38:02] and like messing with everything but again it kind of goes from that comedy back to that darkness because he picks up the bull worms and it just like slurping him down like this.

[00:38:14] Oh, that's hard to watch. That was disgusting. Yeah and that really worms are with their CGI. It was a mixture so obviously no real worms were harmed but they were the rubber worms that

[00:38:28] looked very life like in the bull and he did an amazing job of pretending I was there on that day that was one of my first days and he did an amazing job of mining it because there's

[00:38:41] basically only one mouthful of fake worms that they gave him and he continually fake aid it so if it's just a little he was eating like an endless bull with worms and the way he was slurping it down

[00:38:51] it I mean his commitment was just amazing. I was yeah that was that was really cool um and then they of course added CGI worms to get them to actually like move and stuff but you know he

[00:39:04] committed to it. He put a lot of growth rubber worms in his mouth for that scene. Oh it's like um you know we we always talk about the original haunted masks from the 90s and how uh I don't

[00:39:15] know if you ever heard this story but Katherine Long the actress who played Carly Beth there's a scene where she these bullies put a worm in her sandwich and she takes a bite just

[00:39:26] and no it and then she takes a bite and then season is like oh my gosh I had a worm and she always says that they tried to get her to eat a rubber worm but she said nope I want to real worm

[00:39:39] so she bitten to a real worm and you want to know the kicker they had to do that scene 12 times. Oh my god well that wouldn't be allowed now but shout out to her for the commitment that's amazing

[00:39:54] well apparently when wasn't allowed then either yeah we had to win under the nose of the prop master because he he was like we wouldn't have allowed that but she said nope yeah we hit it

[00:40:07] or on an issue like oh no I totally did it that must have been a secret between Timothy Bono is the director right like that must have been just between us so I could do it because she's like I

[00:40:16] wanted to fully commit at that point to being grossed out so yeah I would do it well we had a worm Wrangler which I didn't know was a job but there was a guy on a second who's sold job was to take

[00:40:30] care of the worms and he had like a little sack of dirt and worms with him and you know these worms have insurance it's pretty crazy I had to make sure that I returned each and every worm to them out

[00:40:42] of my pocket when doing certain scenes like they had to keep track of these worms and uh I was like I was kind of blown away you know they really they really take care of these guys and yeah I had

[00:40:54] them I had worms in my breast pocket I'd have like four or five worms just wriggling around in there so that we could do multiple takes of the worm drop without resetting um Adam and my pockets and

[00:41:05] sometimes between takes I'd forget and then he'd come over and remind me it's like he still took two worms and I was like wow did you have like doing getting done with the shoe for getting

[00:41:15] it like and I know they would make you but like just imagine like you forgot there were someone there and you would go back to your trailer and then all of a sudden you reach

[00:41:22] your pocket and just pull out worms that'd be like oh my god that would be a worm if I I luckily didn't have that happen but like while I was on set that kind of happened and certainly

[00:41:31] the dirt of worms remains you know they you know they were there but yeah they had it lumber anglers they definitely but I did have to eat gross stuff too that the cocoa powder

[00:41:44] do remember that's in the opening sequence I go in and I I ripped the pack at a cocoa powder and I dump it in my mouth over there so that was on my first day and it's probably that was my

[00:41:55] least favorite part of shooting the entire show because I did that maybe 21 times I would say I poured the entire packet of cocoa powder into my mouth and then they had a spit

[00:42:11] bucket for me to end someone with water to to switch and stuff and it was one of the first scenes I did and I like really like I really struggled with that scene and I was like can I do this

[00:42:25] like what's wrong and we did like I don't know maybe like four or five takes that I felt pretty good about to start and then and then I wasn't informed of this but the light had changed so they had

[00:42:39] to re-light the scene and reorganize stuff so all of a sudden we were shooting the same scene from a different angle and we were doing it more times that way and you know the more I did it the more like

[00:42:52] unnatural it became because I just been doing so many times so eventually you know and also they kept changing the blocking just like very slightly so that there was like a different order of operations when I

[00:43:05] grabbed the cocoa powder and I got it on it was a it was a real journey with the crew I know I could tell they all felt really bad for me that I was being made to do it this many times

[00:43:19] and it was I was like kind of freaking out honestly but then when they when they finally put out their show they used the first take really I was gonna say I was like watch that they use the first

[00:43:32] take that you did it just made you do the other 20 just because you were so lucky to be too he was like yeah we ended up using the first take because it was so natural.

[00:43:42] Sorry. You think they just enjoyed like torturing you without or something like don't because I think they felt really bad for me because they had to keep on re-lighting the scene

[00:43:53] and you know we kept on making me do it and I was trying to be a good sport because there was like my second day and I was a good sport but Justin was there for that day and he was also

[00:44:04] watching because he wanted to see me work a little bit so that he could try and imitate me so I was like oh my god yeah absolutely I the lies is watching me do this over and over again. You're so nerve-wracking

[00:44:17] yeah I was really nervous and then afterwards he was just lovely to me and I was like I don't know how you did that man because he he did his worm eating scene afterwards and they made him

[00:44:26] drink eat the packet of cocoa powder like maybe eight times or something and he you know when he came back to the green room he was like dude I don't know how you did that like your

[00:44:36] trooper and he was just super lovely about it and made me feel very welcome and I had a great conversation with him so after that whole ordeal I got to talk about his movie barbearing with him

[00:44:47] and hang out with him one on one and I was like I was over the moon after that so it went from like all time like oh god I'm not going to be able to do this to like I'm living the dream in one day so

[00:45:00] but he was very supportive he was very supportive of that moment that was kind of because it was my first day people made jokes about it for the rest of the production. I think there's even a

[00:45:14] joke floated about giving me cocoa powder as a wrap gift and there was a lot of people saying stuff to me like you're probably never going to say I'm hot chocolate ever again in your entire life

[00:45:24] and I was like you know and that's just the packet like get one of those like big containers you get at the grocery store just be like here you go in the morning while I wasn't a bad man they were like

[00:45:34] I we thought that you might find that mean I was like no it would have been funny. I always wanted to fill it out at six months to heal after that happened. I don't like to like give you a lot of

[00:45:45] things why couldn't do that with cocoa powder yeah no the cocoa powder was real the cocoa powder was real I don't know what my sugar intake was that day but I know that I filled a trash can full of

[00:45:57] cocoa powder yeah it was just like it just like you cough and it's just like a big cloud it was like when the cinnamon challenge 21 times in a row yeah that was a little bit of a

[00:46:08] little bit of a tiny bit of a giant the dry powder just completely sucks the moisture out your mouth so I was like did you guys ever see that one I don't remember who did it but somebody

[00:46:18] like did the cinnamon challenge but they didn't do like a teaspoon they got a whole ladle like a giant ladle and put the whole thing in her mouth and then the next 10 minutes was just them being like

[00:46:29] oh wait I think I did see that I did not see that I didn't know it was like wasn't I think she went straight to the fridge and got the jug of water just drinking water

[00:46:41] and just be like don't the one I'm thinking about this room's smell I feel like I saw on the enormous mess yeah I was about to say I like I saw one and it just I was crying my I think it was so

[00:46:52] funny but I was like she pulled out that big spot I'm like no don't do it you know so we've been talking a lot about you know you and Justin and that's really cool how supportive he is because

[00:47:08] he just seems like a really nice guy um I'm like how was it like getting to work with everyone else in the in the cast and crew oh yeah oh it was it was an amazing team behind the show um for a

[00:47:22] while there I felt like I was mainly working with the crew because my early scenes were kind of by myself or you know some of those scenes I was just on a green screen by myself and they put me

[00:47:32] in scenes where I was being a ghost so I wasn't even around some of the cast members um so it took me a while to get to know like the other people that were closer to my age I was around the adults

[00:47:42] a lot more kind of at first but no that you know all of the leads were we're lovely to me but also we didn't get to actually do that much stuff together so they were very very close because

[00:47:55] they were around each other like every day and also they were all American and I was Canadian and I was I was local so I was not you know I was not like around like them because they were living

[00:48:05] nearby each other and they were kind of in this together they'd been moved to a new place and and uh I was already here so you know we got along great but of course there was just a closeness that they had

[00:48:17] because they were just in this together in a different way for me um but then I ended up getting to work a lot more actually I did get to work a lot with Isa and she is amazing she was

[00:48:28] because that episode with her in the scrapbook um she is fentat well all of them are lovely and I just got to work with Isa the most and she was just fantastic she's so talented she's currently

[00:48:39] on Broadway doing Hades Town and yeah deserves all the success she's she's fantastic all of them do but uh yeah no I I really enjoyed working with her and then I kind of got my own group of young

[00:48:54] people in episode six which was really exciting because I feel like okay now I've got kind of like my group and that was really nice and they were also all American I was the only Canadian out of that group as well

[00:49:05] and uh so they were all like living in this one hotel that was fairly near to where I live and so you know we went to lots of like restaurants and got drinks together and hung out a lot

[00:49:17] they got along great with my girlfriend and we all went out together and I'm still in a group chat with those people and I'm quite close with them so they they ended up being just uh

[00:49:26] great pals and I got to do a lot of scenes with Alex who played Sarah um so yeah no they were just across the board lovely to work with um saying goes for the crew I got to spend an enormous amount

[00:49:37] of time with the makeup and prosthetics artists and they are absolute champions and horanards so I got lots of stories out of them and they're just fantastic absolutely no I mean like when

[00:49:50] there's when the show came out they were just like they were all just like so happy like pulse and on social media just be like this is so fine like they would be like you know the billboard

[00:50:01] and be like oh my gosh look at like right up there so it's so cool that they you know got to have such a great time on this show I mean I know we if we got the chance to be in a goosebump show

[00:50:12] we probably wouldn't shut up about it so oh yeah so um I'm glad you brought up the the makeup department though because uh you got to uh work quite a bit with prosthetics in this show

[00:50:26] yes I did absolutely I did yeah so you had uh of course you had your your normal ghost appearance which you kind of had some of the like sunken in eyes and even like some like veins kind of around

[00:50:37] like more like the outline of your face um and then the more pale skin but then you also had my personal favorite which was just the completely burnt like burnt to a crisp parod bittle

[00:50:51] they made a few opinions and it was a little nasty I was so surprised they went that far with it and I was delighted that they went that far with it um that was I did that look I think 12 times

[00:51:10] I did it quite a few times that whole and first time the first time we did it it was just a test and it wasn't put on camera and that took about six hours in the makeup chair just to you know

[00:51:22] get it all sorted out and then also they had a somewhat of the completely different job of lens tack to come in and do the contact lenses um so I had I had two contact lenses in one eye so I was

[00:51:32] basically blind at that eye and I'd never worn lenses before they were quite thick so I was quite nervous and then they had one contact lens in the other eye that I could see out of um and so in

[00:51:43] dark scenes with a lot of smoke you know they were kind of guiding me around because I was like you know partially blind um and uh no they definitely took a long time um but they got it down

[00:51:54] to about three and a half hours as they um worked on it and just got it dialed in they did a 3D scan of my head and my body so that they could have the prosthetic pieces be you know so specific

[00:52:08] to the my head shape and my face shape and everything um and uh yeah I ended I actually didn't mind it I know a lot of actors completed about the really long prosthetics uh process but

[00:52:21] I love more movies I loved it um I did not love the contact lenses I think he'd be insane to to like it was really uncomfortable it was sometimes painful and they did an amazing job

[00:52:32] those lens texts are like the most calming people they're almost like like nurses giving you a vaccine like they like calm you right down when they're touching your eyes and stuff so they

[00:52:42] were amazing but you know it's uncomfortable the makeup though I had fun like I'm not gonna lie the the the three and a half hours in the makeup chair in the early mornings I honestly did not mind

[00:52:53] because it had such an amazing look at the end and uh and I just loved the makeup artists like um like fields who did the burn makeup for deadpool worked on it a lot and he's worked with basically

[00:53:06] every horror master you could think of he worked with Daru Argento and Toby Huper he worked with John Landis he worked with like literally everyone um West Craven like everybody um and so I just

[00:53:23] got to grill him on like you know what were these men like what were these projects like uh you know he could tell I was like super obsessed with horror movies so we you know got to talk a lot

[00:53:34] and he uh you know has been in touch since and is has been lovely to me same with like Felix Fox was another person who worked um yeah there was a lot of people on it that did amazing make up work

[00:53:48] and then yeah the ghost stuff was amazing too like a Sabrina was like the head of the makeup department and she's just like a real artist she's amazing so she helped design the look and then crystal hon was

[00:54:00] the person who was like her second and command kind of who ended up uh being the person who did the ghost look on me every day and it was amazing as it developed too like the look got better

[00:54:11] and better the further we went and she was piping on veins onto my forehead with this really cool uh I don't even know what it's made of honestly but some sort of silicone liquid that she pipe

[00:54:22] onto me that would dry and then I'd have these veins and she uh yeah color them in and yeah they were amazing um no I didn't like you keep any of those uh prosthetic pieces it's fun to me I

[00:54:37] think that'd be pretty cool but did they did so I have a they're used um I have a plastic bag full of burnt makeup from the final time I did the burn and I could see if we do a brief break at

[00:54:54] some point I could see if I could find it I think it's in my closet it's disgusting it looks like like a dead animal in a bag um and it's still greasy it's still greasy from the um lubricant and

[00:55:07] alcohol they had to use to take it off me so it's I mean it's not gonna it's chemical so it's not gonna rot or anything but it's yeah I have that in a plastic bag as a lovely little keepsick

[00:55:19] certainly something that they'd never use again as it's like partially torn and half of disgusting so you like you know people people come by just like hey you want to see something cool

[00:55:31] it just open it up again oh god oh you're so funny it's you technically have a piece of horror history so I mean that's really cool absolutely so as a horror fan yourself I mean that is just

[00:55:43] amazing like that's a that's a grilled piece for you I'm sure exactly no it's so cool to have and even just you know the memories of working with them I mean I don't know

[00:55:54] you know I hopefully have a long career out of me I'm sure I'll have more makeup effects stuff but that's gonna be one of the most memorable ones I can't imagine having too many more parts

[00:56:02] that have a VFX makeup component has intense as this one so you know I was really into it and it was certainly pretty amazing on days when early on in the show when Anna was getting turned

[00:56:14] into the haunted mask and I was in the other chair getting turned into burnt bittle it was like this is a this is intense this is really cool they're really you know doing amazing

[00:56:24] work practical work here um and no it was yeah very very cool experience I enjoyed being burnt mm-hmm get a lot of attention yeah I know that's true that's so great to hear that you had

[00:56:40] a awesome time you know getting it up and everything done because like you said you know some some actors don't have a great time with it and the first one that helps them on the

[00:56:48] end is Jim Carrier's the great she did that yeah I a training he had to do just to be able with stand all that and he was like wow there you go I mean he had much more intense than I did

[00:57:00] and he felt a leading a whole movie in it so I mean I was you know when I was in the burn makeup you know even if I was in it for a whole day you know I still wasn't leading the entire show

[00:57:12] in that makeup and having tons of dialogue to say when I'm burnt I'm basically mute so you know obviously challenging in a certain way but I'm lucky I don't I don't really get claustrophobic

[00:57:24] so that that part of it didn't bug me but if you were claustrophobic I think it would be enormously challenging and I don't know I just kind of went into like a meditation zone after

[00:57:35] saying like yeah for so long and you're kind of just you know eventually after about 90 minutes the conversation kind of dries up so you're just kind of in your zone getting ready for the day

[00:57:46] and it's usually like you know I'd have 4am call times and I just get there and then you're just in there for 3 and a half hours and then it's kind of a weird nocturnal mode so

[00:58:00] I was in the lead too to the insurance and that's the thing I think when we had Eugene Lepinsky on I don't know if you ever watched the 90 show prior to all this too as part of everything

[00:58:10] I've seen the say cheese and pie episode with Ryan Gosling because I was like that's so cool that he was in a few little say cheese and pie and yeah I saw the episodes that these three were

[00:58:21] based on but I haven't seen the other ones. So he was in the girl of cried monster and he played Mr. Morton the monster but he said the same thing he said he didn't think he got the job but then

[00:58:33] it was because of the person before I think either was claustrophobic with the make-up and stuff if I remember correctly he felt he got sick is what he said so it was like a technicality

[00:58:45] sort of thing where he was like the next in line they were just like do you want to do the part because like yes police yeah he loved the monster make-up process he was he was one of those two

[00:58:55] so it was really great here in his stories about that but it's funny because you see it now and that's the thing where it's how far it's come because like people like Robert England

[00:59:05] who had to do Freddy's make-up for all that time I think when they first started it was a super long process but by the time I think they got to like near the end of his

[00:59:14] Freddy reign yeah it was maybe like a four hour process or something like that compared to what it used to be at eight plus hour process for him I mean so yeah at least you didn't have

[00:59:24] to sit there for that long I mean that's that's a testament to people who can do that kind of stuff yeah I know because even three and four hours would be kind of brutal if you weren't in that

[00:59:34] meditative state for sure yeah yeah no I mean you know they gave me snacks and stuff and you know everyone was very nice to me so no they they don't get worms oh any worms all right in here that

[00:59:50] no that's funny I know no we're still gonna traumatize me but that would have been very on brand if there were any worms but no it was I did enjoy the process overall yeah just kind of got a zone out

[01:00:05] with it I'm actually kind of glad Nick brought up Freddy Kruger because that's actually what burnt brittle reminds me of in a certain way honestly if they were to ever do a nightmare in

[01:00:16] Elm Street reboot I feel like that's the way to go in terms of reinventing Freddy is that really crispy looking yeah yeah I'm actually charged not like heel burn yeah yeah be Kentucky fried bittle yeah I did feel weird eating like like cook meat on those days

[01:00:39] when I was in full when I was in full like we had a pulled pork sandwich day for lunch and I was eating that and basically what I was eating looked exactly like my flesh and I was like this is pretty this

[01:00:51] is it this is a trip pretty nasty whoa another yeah one of those experiences you know I don't think many people can relate you know everyone's in a while I had experiences on the show where I was like oh

[01:01:07] this is a unique one like I died you know there's not many people who have lived to this exact moment this is pretty weird yeah yeah yeah this is a craft table just pick off a piece of your burnt

[01:01:19] skin and taste like plaster not be good it would not be good so you know we've talked about like all you know all of your human co-stars but you did have another co-star that worked alongside you

[01:01:38] probably the biggest star of goosebumps and that is slappy himself what was it like well I guess my first question is um when did you get to first see the new design of slappy

[01:01:55] first time I got to see the new design of slappy would have been in the makeup trailer because they had a sort of I guess animated but very life like looking still of what he was going to look like on the

[01:02:08] makeup window and so that was like the first time I got to got to see him and of course it wasn't in person but I you know got an idea of the design and I thought it was brilliant I you know obviously

[01:02:20] like I knew that he was going to be in it but I didn't know if he was going to look like you know the every Jones movie version or whether he was going to well I had no idea what it was going

[01:02:32] to look like and then when I saw him I was like oh he's properly terrifying and then he was way bigger than I thought he was going to be like that doll is enormous in the new show and heavy um

[01:02:44] and I got to learn how to pop at him a little bit there was a pretty awesome onset ventriloquist who would wear all green suit so he would you know have his hand in slappy and he'd be

[01:02:58] operating slappy in scenes where you know of course you know it's we're here old's not operating the doll the doll is just you know moving on it's on it's a own or dummy I should say here old

[01:03:09] would hate that I altered a doll not a doll it's a dummy so in time so where I was an operating the dummy they would be doing it and it was you know it's pretty funny because you just have to

[01:03:23] imagine that this other person is not there and of course they were also voicing slappy and and reading all their lines so I didn't have the you know the voice over that you here in

[01:03:35] the show of course I I was not hearing while we were doing what we were doing the scenes so no I was I was very excited to to finally meet him when the time came and he was in all of his glory

[01:03:47] I mean he he's quite creepy like he has an energy around him like when he's just like sitting in a chair in the make up room and it's literally just laughing he's just like there and you know people come in

[01:04:00] in the second they see him they're just like like you know and he's unnerving he's genuinely unnerving even though you know that you know he's not he's not alive he's just a really really really expensive puppet or is he I mean yeah

[01:04:17] well maybe that's a good point but no he's an enormously expensive puppet I think I forgot which car they compared them to the the puppet like cost the amount of a of a car that they kept I think

[01:04:30] they called him like the G-wagon something because they'd spent so much on 3D printing so many different slappies because there was like the the hero slappies and there was the rubber slappies that you could

[01:04:41] throw around they just had so many of them that they developed for the show and I got to interact with a lot of them it's really cool and learned how to puppeteer it for a few scenes like the one where I

[01:04:54] pop out from behind the table and I I scare my mom and you know the scene at the very end to when you know I'm doing kind of my revenge puppeteering in front of the entire school so on those days

[01:05:07] I kind of got to learn a little bit of the puppeteering but there was still a guy you know there to help me with the slappies movements and it's interesting too because the first episode that

[01:05:20] slappy makes the appearance because he's he's alluded to earlier in the episode his hero is looking for something and you don't know what it is and then he's like helped me find him well who's him

[01:05:31] and then once we get to the night of the living dummy episode that's when you find out both that it's slappy and also that's when you find out about a hailed backstory you get to figure out why he

[01:05:42] ended up where he is now and that's the episode that you star in you you're definitely in that one the most you're the end to the episode you know the full on the like seriously like Nick and I always say

[01:05:57] like how episode six is like the greatest episode of the entire series of games you know for sure like a way all right almost like a universal monster movie like I love how it's shot

[01:06:09] yeah now as a huge cinephile I was just so thrilled that you know my big episode got like a classic movie opening in black and white with all these vintage looking sets and everything I was

[01:06:22] thrilled that that first 10 minutes is the way that it is and you know had Eddie Jamison from Oceans 11 being my you know sort of cemented uncle Greg is great uncle or just grandfather actually yeah

[01:06:41] but he's a f from f from brat and all that stuff was was so cool I loved how they went through all the different areas with him in New York and stuff and then and then finally getting to uh

[01:06:53] to the middle stuff I was I was so excited when I got given that script I was just over the moon and I uh I was given it right before Christmas break so I had all of Christmas break to kind of work on it

[01:07:05] and then like immediately January 2nd we were going on that episode and it was surreal because it felt like all of a sudden I was the lead of my own separate show for those two and a half three weeks and it was

[01:07:18] like you know before it was just I pop in I looked scary and then I was I was gone but then all of a sudden I got to actually you know step up to the plate and it was just the best learning experience

[01:07:31] I could have asked for it. There was depth there was layers there was character developed yeah really intense speeds with you and your parents and that in that episode too like oh my god

[01:07:41] you know that was some of the the best that the show had like it was just so fun on the top like it was just so excited to watch like and I remember even yet the end of it because like I watched the whole

[01:07:50] show with my my partner and she was at the same like man that episode was solid like that was an 11 out of 10 I was like yep this one so far well these great the prospect of like

[01:08:02] slapies kind of orange the show is very different from you know every other parents of slappy because slappy I actually a quite slappy to like being sort of a show stopper kind of villain

[01:08:14] where once he like makes himself known it's just the gloves are off like he's gonna just be like all over the map and everything but this slappy is much more contained he actually doesn't talk that much which is surprising it's more just like what he makes other

[01:08:33] people do around him rather than what he himself does which is different but it's also very creepy that he's almost like the talking point in hairless ear and is like that's one of the reasons it's

[01:08:47] not the main reason but it's one of the reasons why he turns out the way he does because hairless himself as a character is a very eccentric individual he has a lot of abnormal hobbies

[01:08:59] he has a big kid underneath the doll I mean he's moody and he's a teenager but he's not evil until slappy comes into his life oh that's exactly it and it makes you for that for him because things

[01:09:08] actually kind of start to go his way at first but once slappy starts getting in his head those bridges start getting burned and then it all just culminates in you know just hairless just

[01:09:21] like kind of washing out and being like oh I only have one friend and healing his parents yeah yeah I know I was wondering whether they would undo that and I thought it was really awesome

[01:09:35] that they didn't like with all of our deaths they they stuck to their guns and they didn't go okay snap our fingers they're they're back now it's really dark and tragic that they never you know

[01:09:47] did a time travel thing and made us all come back to life or anything that we're really just gone and you know that hairless did kill his parents and that was final and that's just horrifying especially

[01:09:58] because I mean he had a strained relationship with his mom but the relationship that was some of my favorite stuff to do is the scenes with Jonathan Silverman who played Perry Bittle he was just lovely

[01:10:09] and also another person who I looked up to is very supportive and one of my favorite scenes was the scene where he wakes me up to go to school and he makes the joke about the invisibility cloak and

[01:10:19] he gives me the camera we shot that really fast but we only did a couple takes of that because it was just feeling right and it was one of my favorite scenes to shoot and I just I just love

[01:10:32] acting with him and the scene where you know he tries to comfort me about not going to the party all those scenes I I love doing with him and it's tragic that I end up killing him because we

[01:10:43] had such a close bond. Mm-hmm and it's it's scary too like because the idea you know slappy turning people in the puppets is has been done before in the books and the original 90 actually the 90 series and the second movie but again it's always been undone here it's like

[01:11:02] once it happens that's it they don't come back because not only do they get the same treatment but I think I'm complaining on the character's name Harold's great grandfather Uncle of the jishia

[01:11:17] from him. He turns his boss in what puppet too and that's just like yeah that's it they're dead so at the time when I watched that I thought oh there's just he made it up him a puppet kind of like

[01:11:30] what we just mentioned where it's back on the 90s showing stuff was like so he'll just control him not realizing that yeah and fact they are just now dead yeah like they are dead so

[01:11:41] it's dark and interesting take it was darker too it like you know it was uh there was some even darker stuff that that didn't quite make it into that episode um that they had to tone down like

[01:11:56] there was a scene where I hope is okay I mean it's out and you know I'm seeing work as you know it's already out it should be kind um but yeah young Ben who's played by my buddy Chris

[01:12:08] was was downstairs and he's fighting with sloppy and you know things are flying all over the place but some of the brick wall crumbled originally and I had I'd actually hid in my parents

[01:12:20] and strung them up inside the walls of the basement and so they they had both of my parents and they did the full um they did the full creepy like slapping makeup on both of my parents and

[01:12:33] they had them hidden in the brick wall strung up like that um oh god it looked horrible but I was there on set and it did that and it was really scary and I maybe they just decided it was too much

[01:12:45] that actually reminds me of um that was a really great episode strung along because that ends with they're not turning the puppets but a puppet comes to life and kills like these two people

[01:12:58] and their corpses are set up the same way because like investigators are like investigating the crime scene and they open the door and yeah they're just their bloody corpses are just strung up with the puppet on top and it's terrifying but the fact that they were gonna go

[01:13:13] that far with it even if they didn't do it they still were thinking they did do it they just cut it like they yeah they shot it I was there while they shot and they also had uh F from um he uh

[01:13:29] he he was also turned into a puppet by slappy um in the original version like you know when he's putting slappy away in the wall and stuff slappy on out for a moment and actually like

[01:13:41] turned him into a puppet so they came down and they found him you know lying next to that wall slappy goat I could all do a uh collect as addition or something at one point

[01:13:52] directory might put a little yeah direct as come this smidda that'd be cool that'd be we easily it seems put some deleted scenes and bonus features even darker police glitterman cut a lot of them come yeah let's oh that was actually directed by this guy a Felix Alcala

[01:14:13] who is great and he uh he directed a couple episodes of breaking bad so I was really excited to work with that he directed that episode of break I don't know if you guys have seen breaking bad but he directed

[01:14:23] that episode of breaking back where Tuko Salamanca um like dies and there's that little spoiler sorry guys but there's that that crazy gap in the wall and even too yeah that's fair game

[01:14:36] that crazy really really tense episode and season two um he directed and that was one of my favorite episodes so I was excited. That's the one where he gets he's in the like explosion and any

[01:14:46] walk-solid he like looks fine and then the kill moves over and he's like missing half of his face and then he's like that's Gus Bring so that's like a little co-is like the dude who's

[01:14:57] cooked out of his mind in the end of season one in early season two and he kidnapped Jesse and Walt and they basically have a very tense sequence where they're kind of stuck in his uh you know

[01:15:12] his home and he's trying all sorts of different drugs and he has a semi-automatic gun and they end up like sort of partially burying him alive and yeah it's pretty it's pretty crazy it's very tense

[01:15:24] oh yeah um another thing I loved about this version of Slappy is his voice. When the episode initially came out I made a joke on Twitter it's just like oh we got British Slappy now

[01:15:37] but Chris Gear does the voice actually is a really good job it's like a very medicine kind of voice like when he first I love the scene where Harold brings him to the talent show for the first time

[01:15:50] because that's when he figures out for the first time that Slappy is alive but uh it's almost it's also like a comedic thing because Slappy's just telling jokes and my favorite is still uh

[01:16:01] he's like I can't get this like my hand out of this he's like try having it up your ass yeah so good I love it that was one of the the clips that was actually

[01:16:14] all fits the design that they did for Slappy like it's kind of like with the cowdog to the voice of the 90s Slappy I think that fit really well and I know Jack Black for the movies at least

[01:16:25] did the voice of Slappy in the first one um and I think that fit well so it's really interesting like I can't imagine those voices say on this version of Slappy I think it's just Chris's version

[01:16:38] bits with this so well oh it's because it's Slappy what's Slappy is like weird don't get me wrong but like I think that fit perfectly well what the design I did yeah it's so it was so creepy and

[01:16:50] underving I was I did wonder like oh I wonder if uh if Justin's gonna voice Slappy I wonder you know who they're gonna get and then I know that Robin worked with Chris before on Detective Pikachu

[01:17:03] and so that he you know had the idea to to contact him I think because they'd work together on that and of course he had played two parts too because he had to play a condu and then he also had to

[01:17:15] be Slappy and yeah no I just thought he did such a great job I was so excited when I saw the episode and I was like damn he would have been in some studio in London or in LA and he would have had to

[01:17:26] see that episode so many times in order to sync it so it was uh it was cool uh getting the fear to finish product finally because I had no idea what Slappy was gonna sound like yeah it was it was a mystery

[01:17:38] like everybody was like there was even a time I think uh Bjorn you you even did a video on this swear apparently they reused one of Avery Jones's laughs from the movie that Janna promo so

[01:17:51] people were thinking that it was gonna be him again uh yeah it was just it was just it was only like a 30 second promo for um to the for the new show and right at the end you just hear the

[01:18:07] like the Avery Jones Slappy laugh and I'm like said Avery Jones like and then yeah everyone commented it was like oh my god I think it is it's Avery Jones coming back but then

[01:18:18] he kind of said he actually probably message me it was like it's not me and I was like oh okay because he saw my video and I was like that's about me and I'm like oh okay so I was like oh well

[01:18:28] um but hey you know like we said this version of Slappy I couldn't imagine you know not having less voice I could just fit so well with the dark on the turn of the show you know like it needs

[01:18:40] to be eerie and it worked really well so could I? I can't claim any good for the they did a great job. I had a similar like things that what you were saying about that promo

[01:18:53] were the voice sounded different um I had a little spook as I heard like a little snippet of the haunted masks speaking and they used the temp voice for the haunted mask that I'd heard when I was

[01:19:04] recording the voice for the haunted mask so I thought they hadn't used any of my stuff for the haunted mask I was like oh no but then when the episode came out of the haunted mask was it was still

[01:19:14] all me so I was like oh yeah awesome this is sick I don't think a lot of people know that I've voiced the haunted mask though I think because they you know there's a fax on it and stuff but I

[01:19:23] I don't know did you guys know that I've voiced the haunted mask? I did not know that would have made sense to me yeah it does make it makes sense because yeah it's like all your

[01:19:33] cursed objects so it actually made sense that it was with voice kind of like how they said in the original movie it made sense for jack black to voice slap because it was like the alter ego

[01:19:43] of time so it's sense that it was your voice so I could have even been your voice still and slapy I mean you could have I would have been horrified of that though that would have been a response to bill

[01:19:52] I was stowed to be asked to do the haunted mask I was like I feel like I can do this I can like kind of like speak parcel tongue and you know be all creepy and you know hopefully the

[01:20:01] ads revert to give me a little boost and I'll pop in a way but no if they asked me to voice slapy of course I would have been honored but I also would have been utterly terrified and

[01:20:11] I'm very glad that Chris got to do that although Chris may be the only cast member from season one that keeps getting work because I would be shocked if they did not do anything else a slapy

[01:20:23] and they probably want to help some consistency with the voice of slapy so I thought it's never does get to play slapy I mean I didn't know it was going to be an anthology at the time but

[01:20:33] when I you know I was like whoever gets a voice slapy might have you know have some real work longevity here so keep it down well you did get the voice slapy kind of I mean there was that

[01:20:45] when you were that's what was slapy you know you kind of get a little bit oh yeah when I do my like little high pitch what the first second yeah that was fun that was fun I got I got some laughs

[01:21:00] I got to make my my fellow actors laugh there that was fun and I also got surprised um there's that one scene where I like leave the scene and I'm like see him on to uh to my mom and I like

[01:21:12] scared and stuff and that was that was an improvised moment so that was pretty I was pretty glad that they kept that in awesome cool it was it was just a really good like a lot of the best stuff

[01:21:24] from movies and television are just by default seem to be a lot of improvisation by yeah actors which is great and so I just want to get selected I'm feeling comfortable enough to do it because

[01:21:37] I'm usually just like in there for a couple days and then I'm gone and stuff but on that episode in particular because I had been given so much time and they'd given some trust and I was there

[01:21:47] all day I felt a little bit more freedom to not improvise all the time and everyone of throw things off but if I you know if something comes to you in the moment that you think might

[01:21:55] like get a laugh or thing you know it's the same realization thing the dancing was I mean they kind of let me just do whatever I wanted with the dancing um and so that was really fun because when I

[01:22:08] watched that scene back it feels very me and I think my when my friends and family got to see that they were happy because it felt like well I'm gonna get sad later but at the beginning

[01:22:18] when I'm dancing in the mirror they're like oh okay that's just been you know so that was cool yeah and we got to like we kind of improvised me coming forward right up into my mom's face when

[01:22:31] I was yelling at her originally that scene was blocked and I was on the other side of the room yelling at her and it just felt like I just wanted to be right up there with them

[01:22:39] I'd thought it would be way more heartbreaking for my dad if I you know told him that I hated him right in this face so we kind of reblock that scene just from experimenting and realizing like okay

[01:22:49] no what I want like my impulse here is to lung it them um so it was really cool I'd never been in a situation where I felt permission to really offer suggestions like that and to be listened to

[01:23:04] and you know to have people like even reblock scenes because of an idea I mean that happened twice and I was honored that Felix trusted me and was like oh that was a good idea let's let's go with that

[01:23:17] and you know I think those scenes turned out well so I yeah that was very cool that episode getting to have some trust absolutely I'm like we say I mean it's a great episode thanks get

[01:23:33] yeah my family there's my presentation in films and TV shows just makes for such great cinema you know like I guess one example is like decaprio in Django when he actually cut his hand and he was bleeding

[01:23:47] he rubbed it all over the face and then and then I think my favorite almost because in lot of the rings where Argonne the Gumballon said kicks the helmet and he kicked it so hard that he

[01:23:59] looked like it's totally out any screams but the screen was a real screen because he broke his door and they kept it in the movie so when you watch it at that moment he broke his door

[01:24:09] oh my gosh like oh so you're like always keep the real pain take whenever an accident happens like there's a there's a curse out a movie called high and low and in the final scene there's a

[01:24:20] prisoner who grabs this like electrocuted bars in prison and they didn't he he was not told that they were actually charged with electricity when they were shooting the scene and it's the final shot in the movie and he wasn't supposed to grab the bars he was just improvising

[01:24:37] and felt the impulse to grab them so he grabs them and he really like got electrocuted and he screams and then the movie ends and it's like an insanely powerful moment where you're just

[01:24:47] like how could he have been that good at acting and then when I was looking at like how they did it I was like oh he got electrocuted yeah 120 why not for he wasn't okay but it hurt and he's very

[01:25:02] sashok yeah that he was okay but yeah I feel like they always keep the accidents buster key in broke his neck making a movie and they kept that shot and like it's insane this

[01:25:14] stuff that sometimes people can walk off when the cameras are running fries you're in the lobby I think those three sort of one that comes in memory of me was Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible

[01:25:25] Oh yeah that jump from one million other but he misjudged it and he actually like yep exactly Oh what was that back I was like oh yeah he's getting these still got up and he's just

[01:25:37] hopped along but they kept all that I was like yeah no okay they do you like I feel like because if you do go through suffering that and it's like we gotta keep this you know it's this is so

[01:25:47] raw like in the mommy like Brendan Fraser like choked out and nearly died and he told the story how he literally fell to the ground and the director just kind of leaned over him with

[01:25:57] Brendan Brendan and he just wasn't answering so they're like oh no like he nearly died in that scene so when you watch the seamor is choking out like he's really choking out so can it

[01:26:10] why you know I mean you just pray those moments don't happen to you but if they do yeah you'd want it to be in the final cut because you went through that okay tomorrow yeah

[01:26:22] yeah now we'll say if you ever do a dancing if going back to the dancing was there anything that you wish you would have thrown in dancing wise like the sprinkler you know you know it's a good question well it's a good class trend and also you know

[01:26:38] I had to be mindful of not doing any dances that were too modern because you know you're we're in a certain time period and so you know there's certain moves you can't be doing

[01:26:49] TikTok dances on in the mirror when it's 19s yeah yeah you can't be doing that's not that I would of that wouldn't have been my choice to do that but you know you thought to be mindful what would

[01:27:02] I have done if I could do the worm I would have done the worm I think that would have been good sitting I think that would have been good but I couldn't do anything to confident because

[01:27:13] Harold wouldn't be that like I can coffee grinder pretty well and I can do this one head stand I say pretty well if I had to do it for you right now you'd probably be like this is so embarrassing

[01:27:23] well in my pet I can do it pretty well and I think that it might have been out of character if I did those two things but also maybe I'm wrong and it would have looked really dorky and perfect so

[01:27:36] I don't know that that would have been up to the audience. Yeah I knew that the dancing could definitely not be cool so I think I achieved that that's a line I know I did the worm could have done it like

[01:27:49] like the really amateur way where it's kind of like well that's the only way I could I would only be able to do it that way I think that's make sure it would have been good shopping cart could have been good

[01:27:59] shopping cart so you're the one stop bus driver and it's driver would have been good mine I was a crazy springer which is just like yeah that I could work I kind of did that there was a

[01:28:11] lot of arm flailing yeah similar yeah it was some yeah and also you know we did it for a while and I was trying on all these different outfits and they just did it as one long take so I was

[01:28:22] I look pretty sweaty and tired at certain points and that's seen and it's that's valid I am pretty sweaty that was my honestly probably my favorite day of shooting was that day I it was

[01:28:34] basically just me and I got except for Jonathan in the morning we did that scene in my bedroom where you know he gives me the camera and then I got to do the scene with Slapy where I'm like hey

[01:28:46] buddy and I'm like oh okay and then he blanks and stuff and then we did the dancing scene right afterwards and it was just a really nice and then we did the scene later on in the day where Jonathan

[01:28:59] comforted me when I didn't go to the party and it was felt really intimate and was basically all in one room and it was just I felt very free and some of my favorite stuff from that episode was

[01:29:11] was done in that day and on the day in the big auditorium we did we did those two scenes back to back so there's the scene where I'm really nervous in front of everyone and it goes surprisingly well

[01:29:24] so we did that and then immediately afterwards we moved in to doing the evil version of that scene so I was on that stage pretty much all day at very different places in the character arc and

[01:29:36] I was pretty locked in that day I was pretty focused because I was just like okay I've got like a whole crowd of extras on set here and these are long scenes and I don't say too much but they're

[01:29:47] important so those were exciting days too those were also some of my favorites what I like most about like Harold's interaction with Slapie was that it almost kind of gave off vibes of like

[01:29:57] the ventral quest and Scarface from Batman or away the puppy is almost like if the puppet is the the controller of both but obviously the ventral quest is like out of his mind kind of a little bit too

[01:30:14] like especially when they're like really confronting him the Slapie's been like finding secrets out about all of them and then using him against them and then they confront them and was like

[01:30:22] like why are you doing this and he's just like hell is just staring him down holding Slapie and then Slapies looking at him too and it's just like an incredibly creepy aura even if the

[01:30:33] doll wasn't alive it's like you know someone is so far gone that they kind of like put a more like sinister part of themselves into this dummy yeah yeah I kind of thought of them as like a

[01:30:46] horror crux from Harry Potter like this E you will kind of is like that it's like this magician soul is contained inside this object and is keeping him alive I mean and I kind of thought of

[01:30:57] all of my objects as horror cruxes that all of these different things have a different part of Harold hidden in them and his different hobbies and so I kind of tried to think of them like that

[01:31:07] and also horror cruxes in Harry Potter when you're around them for too long you start to become a terrible person and so I kind of thought of you know if you wear that locket or something for too long you

[01:31:18] end up you know ruining your relationships with your friends and so I kind of thought of Slapie similarly like just the more he's just this dark cloud I think Harold already probably

[01:31:30] has a lot of anxiety and depression that he deals with and I felt like being around Slapie would you know make all his highs higher and all of his lows lower basically and

[01:31:40] you know he got addicted to attention I mean I think it is kind of funny that he got more cool in school through puppetry from a dummy and when I carried a dummy through school everybody

[01:31:51] you'll like stay 10 feet away from me but yeah what is our own yeah in all the goose bump books too like in the original not living dummy like Lindy became popular with Slapie it's like you know

[01:32:01] why why do people I don't know what it is through the magic of the police oh yeah there's a magical component at play and mastery is sexy so you know they saw Harold is in complete mastery of his ventriloquism it's like okay you know this is weird

[01:32:18] but he's really really good at it so we got to give him some credit here because his time he's going to be going point he's kind of amazing at this thing so yeah that's a good thing

[01:32:28] but the guy with a guitar on college campus it's like just so much pre-peer but instead it's with a dummy and he's like bam bam bam yeah exactly I kind of treat it like a guitar too in my case that I'm like so possessive over and everything

[01:32:45] yeah well just the scene we're breaking I try to lure in the details with this everything so rings a lot of his and then he opens it and like he's freaking I was like where is it?

[01:32:56] he just throws the like something at the corner and the cone exposes like where is it? like it's scary oh he's he's really attached to sloppy he's kind of like this to this that was intense yeah absolutely it was really intense and it was all in Whistler

[01:33:16] so I don't know if any of you guys have been in BC or have heard of Whistler but Whistlers no it's quite a ways from Vancouver and it's you know where we had the Olympics or a lot of

[01:33:26] the Olympics the winter Olympics in in 2010 and it's beautiful ski resort land and it was really cool getting to go up there for three days and live up in the mountains with the whole past

[01:33:40] and work on this big final showdown I mean I wasn't there for tons of it because so much of it was just Justin and Rachel but you know I I got to watch Justin do that whole scene at the

[01:33:54] top of the hill where he's pleading with them and he's very emotional and so I watched his performance throughout the day and then I imitated it basically line for line and tried to mimic his

[01:34:03] performance because then they blended our faces later in post production so I had to kind of copy him and and do the same scene and that was one of my final days it felt like a cool send off

[01:34:14] or it's fitting was and again it just kind of goes back into the tragedy of the character because well that's the interesting thing too is that most protagonists that are in sloppy stories

[01:34:28] they're pretty much good natured kids and it's more about again like just slappy as the outside force that you just got to stop but there's not many times where someone is like infatuated in a

[01:34:40] sense with slappy to the fact that they like almost become like literally become one but it's tragic because this is a kid who had like again he's very eccentric but he's a nice kid but

[01:34:53] he kind of had the oddsteck against him he was bullied a lot he didn't really have many friends and you know he's taken advantage of as a result by slappy because he just wants to be accepted

[01:35:04] so bad but he loses himself and it's not until it's way too late that he realizes that but it culminates in the end where he's able to finally like what slappy is really doing and get rid of

[01:35:20] and then get to see his parents again it was a really nice scene you know he gets the fine we'd be at peace yeah yeah no it was a nice send off for the character I didn't know

[01:35:32] it was gonna happen in episode eight I kind of thought it might be in the finale so I was kind of surprised but I read the script that was honestly surprised because I was like oh whoa like this is

[01:35:42] I feel like I can't come back from this I think this is this is it so that was slightly surprising because I sort of had an expectation but then you know I was also honored that there was going to

[01:35:52] be a big send off in Whistler with the whole cast and everything and of course it's not just about me but the final moment of the episode is you know the final moments for that character and

[01:36:01] and it felt fairly final and I was like okay well let's let's try and go out with a bang if it's going down now I do I was gonna miss it though because I was like oh man I don't want to

[01:36:12] be done the show because I'd just finished shooting episode six and I'd been there so much started really felt like I found my footing and then like and then almost immediately I was gone

[01:36:22] so I was like oh wait I want to do more but luckily there was lots of pickups from episode one and some other episodes that they had to shoot after I had finished episode eight so that was

[01:36:33] really nice I had four more days to come out and hang out with the cast so I ended up you know basically shooting to the end of production for everybody and that was nice I didn't feel left out at

[01:36:43] all it was like okay everyone was on board till the very end and so yeah that that was cool I still felt like I was included to the end. Yeah absolutely and it really did work like

[01:36:56] as a finale to that plot line of course it wasn't on the finale to the season there was still two more episodes to go but it really did he had that feel because every every character was there

[01:37:08] everyone was involved it all came back to him because you know one way or another it was all connected back to his story and the resolution of his story in turn is the resolution of everyone else's

[01:37:22] arc so it just it all ends up like tying together in a big nice bow yeah I was very surprising I didn't really think the episode eight was going to be the end of Biddles story I honestly like

[01:37:39] I mean I ended up in an end it I was like this feels like a finale but there's two episodes left yeah I don't know what they're here that was very intentional I think they wanted to play with

[01:37:50] the audience expectations and I don't know exactly what the talks were in the writer's room but I'm sure they realized that that sloppy was the the real overarching antagonist of this series and

[01:38:01] that they wanted to refocus on sloppy as the main villain in that finale I assume that's why that decision was made and makes sense I mean sloppy's the guy so that that checks out but yeah I

[01:38:13] know I was I was surprised but it was also a nice send off and they didn't tell me that they were going to do a montage of a lot of Alex and I as moments when I was healing in that final scene

[01:38:25] and so that was a surprise when I got to watch it and that was really touching that they that wasn't in the script so that was really cool that they saw the cool tension that they chose to

[01:38:36] make really like an edit of me basically and I was yeah I was honored that they that they did that that was really sweet. Absolutely not. Yeah and we know with everything said and done now you know

[01:38:48] season one and concluded a few months back and now we're on the horizon of a new season coming brand new cast of characters it's going for more of an anthology there's still gonna be a

[01:39:00] continuing story but it's gonna be a little more anthology um but yeah I mean it's it's pretty interesting you know this new approach that they had to this series to make it a little more

[01:39:11] don't to make it a little more story driven and to have a little more of those emotional beats that you don't see that often in goosebumps. goosebumps books are pretty can't be you know point

[01:39:24] horror fiction sort of things you don't normally get a lot of like really deep complex character arcs and development out of goosebumps but um it was an interesting experiment say the

[01:39:36] least but I mean with all of sudden done like I would assume it was a very fun experience. Oh it was such a great part I mean he uh I got to try a lot of stuff that I'd always wanted to you

[01:39:50] know when I watched strangers things season four and I saw the back now I was like oh I want to do that like I saw that part and he was so amazing Jamie Campbell Bowers so amazing in that performance

[01:40:01] but I was like I would love an opportunity to play a character like this where you get to have this backstory and then also get to be a movie monster and then I got to do it the next year

[01:40:11] I mean not exactly that but I got to do about as close as you could get to having that type of wish for that type of role I got to do and so I was I was really grateful for the experience because

[01:40:21] you know I've mainly played villains so far and they've all been weird in their own different ways but I wanted this was the most like kind of creepy and evil so I like I want as a horror fan

[01:40:33] I wanted to go all the way there and I still want to go even further and stuff that's aimed at adults as well but I got to be in the horror land that I loved and I also got to be myself and that one

[01:40:45] I episode into a certain extent and some scenes like I also wanted an opportunity to be sweeter and more relatable and stuff and this role had both of those things simultaneously so

[01:40:55] I was stoked I always wanted to be on wires and flown around too I got to do that I mean you don't get to see that much of it because at the end of the pilot I just like kind of

[01:41:04] lift off the ground and I turned into smoke but in real life they flew me down that hallway and it was thrilling so you know there's a lot of things on the bucket list that got checked off with this part

[01:41:17] and so no it was it was a great experience great experience and again like if any of us got to have an experience we'd probably be in the same way just like they just seems like so much fun like

[01:41:30] just getting to really let loose and be in the horror genre but it's also like you know being goofy and silly and all that kind of stuff and yeah I mean overall I just it led out to a very interesting

[01:41:44] final product and definitely and getting the be a part of goosebumps one of the best series ever made not really but you know like a really a really popular franchise and like introduced a whole new

[01:41:59] generation of of goosebumps fans because you know all goosebumps fans have had you know the books and the original series the movies and now this new series it's gonna be introduced to a whole new

[01:42:10] generation of goosebumps fans you know that's the important they're actually continuing season one I think in comic book form if I'm not mistaken yeah there's a thing there I think you're wrapping up season one

[01:42:22] story and comic book so that way when season two starts you still have the conclusion of what happened at the very end of season one. I had no idea they were doing that okay so I'm gonna find out what

[01:42:34] happens with Dead Zach yeah I was gonna say like honestly when they announced that because I mean to be honest I mean we all were kind of like wanting just a straight-end file I'll do like the original

[01:42:45] series but honestly after the final episode and they were like all right we're moving on to a new story I was kind of like but wait you're just gonna you're just gonna leave that story there like I

[01:42:54] wanted to happen yeah oh yeah no it's quite the cliffhanger so I mean I didn't know was going to be an anthology either until it was announced like everybody else so you know it was

[01:43:06] just a surprise but I'm glad that it's gonna get a sort of graphic novel conclusion I will be stoked of graphic novel that'll appear at some point but I think I'm I'm double that I'm pretty double

[01:43:17] dead you know I'm not everything I'm not gonna flash back you never know but I'm I'm they killed me twice basically so I don't think I'll be graphic novel. I don't know this is as as goosebumps

[01:43:29] yeah so he ends won't be buried you never know keep anything like from like did you get like any goosebumps stuff that they got to like give you from said like anything so you know like that

[01:43:43] I can I can do something this episode I didn't get to keep this scrapbook I was hoping to I it looked like I was going to be able to keep this scrapbook and I wasn't able to keep this

[01:43:52] scrapbook but anyways I got this shirt that that was good we'll also get me this shirt that's just a nice shirt like sort of a show exclusive one yeah and then they gave me

[01:44:11] the giving you a sloppy pin that's on a tote bag somewhere and I was cool look at a sloppy pin it's really nice metal and now I'm old one and I had that on my tote bag and like

[01:44:21] no one knew I was in the show yet so I felt like it was like a little sneaky. But yeah they had they gave me this this awesome book of all tombs and this is just a great book

[01:44:36] I have I have little siblings and they were all of course very excited about the show but they're not allowed to see it yet just because of the burn but they were stoked to have a look at this

[01:44:47] this was a this was good and my little product of very book. Pardon? Yeah it's a great book oh it's our A's box fantastic. Yeah it's a really great book so I really yeah

[01:45:00] they gave me that which is really nice and then few other things this is like a card that the makeup department gave me at the end of production for goosebumps. So that was nice stuff

[01:45:15] inside there's a little other snappy on the we fall in the back of the car. I love it. I got this is this is probably my favorite thing I got the Duke. This comes one Duke.

[01:45:29] This one doesn't want to cool that's relevant. Yeah that was the crew gift that they gave to everybody at the end so that was that was awesome. Oh yeah no I think I sort of I think

[01:45:41] I'll sort picture somewhere not I just covered with what's not yeah well I know I've seen Zack and miles where them before in photos I'm pretty sure but no I was stoked like this is like one of the

[01:45:54] cooler things I've been given so that was cool. I've got my chair back here there's a old awesome it's on the back of my cast chair and it has the goose bumps dripping and it has

[01:46:08] the haunted mask camera with poor orange. Oh that's so cool. Yep yeah so they had the little had the little camera and then I found two other things while we were on the little break. On second.

[01:46:29] I would like to state that I did not take this they were shooting near the P&D in Vancouver where my friend lives and he found this next to a dumpster because the production had left but

[01:46:41] this is one of the filming signs for poor Lawrence. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this would guide everyone to set so I did not steal this sign but my friend who knew I was in

[01:46:56] the show it was abandoned on the side of the road so he grabbed it for me. It was off behind your abs. It was off the ground. It was off the ground. I did not take this. I did not take

[01:47:09] but I did find the the goods in my old burn pieces. I haven't taken this I haven't taken this out in a long time so yeah oh yeah it's still nasty. He said that when they said it wouldn't

[01:47:27] rot and they said that it would outlive me so I was a really good. Oh here we go. So this is I mean I guess this won't be very good for the audio podcast but this will be good for

[01:47:44] the video podcast. Yeah so those of you watching this on YouTube you get a special treat. There you go. Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh there's some of it. There's a little cratesby bit.

[01:47:56] Oh here's the inside of the silicone. Oh yeah this would have been this was what was plastered to my skin. It kind of feels like leaf jerky. It looks like a leaf jerky. I can always like a

[01:48:11] this I believe was a forehead piece and like bit at the top of my head. And oh yeah. This bigger piece. Oh cool here. And this well this would have been under my neck. This would have

[01:48:26] been right here. Ah okay yeah let's see what it then. No it had been there. Oh my god yeah. Oh yeah that's so cool. It's so cool like you keep a lot like yeah. Yeah well that was I think it was

[01:48:45] Mike Field to let me keep this disgustingness but I haven't brought it out in a while so this was a great okay I glad I was able to find it. Yeah I don't know how would you if he framed it like

[01:49:00] you put your forehead on the bed. People come over and we'll see that on your wall and be like um what is that? It's like oh that's my skin. I played myself and this is the result.

[01:49:15] I know I didn't have a frame right now but I do have my chair back on my fridge it's like I have a Velcro strip that I have that on. Oh it's like a showing this thing so yeah no.

[01:49:29] No well thank thanks for being interested. No it's uh I haven't had the chance to really talk about the show that much because of the actors strike that was on while uh dry while the show

[01:49:40] was coming out I did an interview afterwards but this is my first time getting actually talk about the show on camera so it was uh it was a pleasure. Well we hear it here for her forks this is

[01:49:50] exclusive interview we did it first. You just talk with you. You're supposed to have fans too. You know yes like that's really yeah yeah you guys know the stuff better than like any

[01:50:00] interviewer so yeah like that. Absolutely well uh that is going to do it for tonight's episode of the goosebumps crew uh Ben thank you so much for coming on and talking with us about goosebumps

[01:50:12] and all that oh you're very welcome I had a great time anytime absolutely we would love to have you back on the show if ever they're coming opportunities so by all means around and you

[01:50:24] can uh you can follow Ben over on Instagram I believe it's just at Ben Cock Cock El on Instagram. I think I'll tell on Instagram um I have a podcast myself called Cinema Submarine

[01:50:39] that's a movie podcast there's only three episodes of it out right now but that's on Apple podcasts and Spotify and I uh I basically pick a theme like this theme for season one was all food related movies

[01:50:52] and then I have special guests that I've either worked with or are just friends of mine come on like the first episode is just my mom the second and third episodes were with a filmmaker friend of mine

[01:51:03] but uh season two is coming this summer and it's all uh films that are set entirely on trains and I've recorded all of like five episodes of it now and I've got uh some exciting guests I've

[01:51:18] got a stunt person on there I've got a filmmaker that I did a film with over last summer on there so there'll be some uh some good guests so check out Cinema Submarine and then at some point

[01:51:30] later this year uh my first movie is coming out I did a film over last summer called this two shell pass that was like an 80s coming of age movie and it was like one of my first times in a

[01:51:42] leading role and uh it was a great great experience um the lead lead to the movie was a max Jenkins who is the lead kid from Lost in Space and then Jeremy Ray Taylor who is in uh

[01:51:56] goosebumps and all the way onto Dala Lee and and yet uh he is also one of the main characters and that's on friends with him now so we were we were both goosebumps lineage there and then

[01:52:09] Jalen Webb who was in the film Armageddon time with uh it's just an amazing roast like Anthony Hopkins and Ant halfway and all these that was his first amazing experience on that and my friend

[01:52:22] Aiden is also in it who's in the Amazon show The Wilds and so we got a great cast of young people on the film and it's uh so he'll come out later this year and I hope it finds a good home

[01:52:33] because we're we're just waiting to hear right now but um look for that I'll all promote that on my Instagram yeah so usually I will uh first of all make sure you put in a good word with Mr.

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