Scare-allels (ft. Cody Leach)

[00:00:01] The most thrilling, spikingly series ever!

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[00:02:48] Now, before we get into the topic of the week,

[00:02:50] I first want to welcome our guest for this week,

[00:02:53] Mr. Cody Leach.

[00:02:55] You may know him from Cody Leach Reviews over on YouTube.

[00:02:57] He does horror movie reviews, rankings, tier lists, and much else.

[00:03:02] So, Cody, I just want to welcome you to the podcast.

[00:03:04] Thank you for joining us today.

[00:03:05] Yeah, thanks for the invite, man.

[00:03:07] I haven't talked Goosebumps in a long time,

[00:03:08] so it's a nice little fresh topic for me.

[00:03:11] Absolutely.

[00:03:11] Well, you've come to the right place to talk some Goosebumps,

[00:03:14] so we're very excited to talk Goosebumps.

[00:03:16] But we're not only going to talk about Goosebumps today,

[00:03:20] because as you guys could probably guess,

[00:03:22] even though this is the Goosebumps Crew,

[00:03:24] and we are Goosebumps fans, we are also horror fans.

[00:03:27] So we love just about everything horror-related,

[00:03:30] horror movies, shows, literature, the works.

[00:03:33] So we know a lot about things horror-related outside of Goosebumps.

[00:03:38] But we figured we would do a little bit of an interesting topic today.

[00:03:42] So, of course, you know, everybody complains about in Hollywood today

[00:03:45] that there's no originality, and that's very much true.

[00:03:49] But, I mean, everybody knows the old adage,

[00:03:51] there's only seven stories in the world,

[00:03:53] we're just ripping off the same session.

[00:03:54] But it got me thinking about how many Goosebumps books share similarities

[00:04:00] to popular, classic, or modern horror films.

[00:04:04] Now, horror has a lot of elements that carry over into different media,

[00:04:09] and there's a lot of different genres of horror, sub-genres,

[00:04:13] you know, tropes and whatnot.

[00:04:15] So it got me thinking about how many Goosebumps books share similarities

[00:04:19] to classic horror films.

[00:04:20] So that's what we're going to talk about today.

[00:04:22] We're going to just kind of go down the list

[00:04:23] and see how many different similarities, comparisons,

[00:04:27] and parallels that we can draw between Goosebumps books and horror films.

[00:04:32] So this is going to be a pretty interesting one.

[00:04:34] And before we really get into it,

[00:04:35] not all of these are like super one-for-one.

[00:04:38] We're not going to be sitting here going,

[00:04:39] rip off!

[00:04:40] You know, we're going to be going through and seeing like,

[00:04:42] they can be as little as, you know, certain plot points.

[00:04:45] Some of them are just, we're bringing up

[00:04:48] because they don't have similarities,

[00:04:49] but they've been brought up before.

[00:04:51] So I guess the first place to start out

[00:04:54] is with the very first Goosebumps book,

[00:04:55] and that is Welcome to Deadhouse.

[00:04:58] Now, a lot of people have,

[00:05:01] considering the story is about zombies in a sense,

[00:05:04] a lot of people have compared it to Night of the Living Dead

[00:05:07] or just like any other zombie movie.

[00:05:09] And while that's definitely true,

[00:05:11] I personally think that Welcome to Deadhouse

[00:05:14] is similar to two movies in certain areas.

[00:05:17] That's the Omega Man and I Am Legend.

[00:05:22] Number one,

[00:05:22] the zombies in Welcome to Deadhouse are killed by sunlight,

[00:05:26] which is true in both of those movies.

[00:05:29] And also,

[00:05:30] both of those movies take place in sort of a post-apocalyptic environment

[00:05:36] involving basically the last human living on Earth.

[00:05:39] And while Welcome to Deadhouse doesn't have anything as drastic as that,

[00:05:43] and that would be a little too far for Goosebumps,

[00:05:46] you are in a sense that you are in an isolated environment

[00:05:49] surrounded by the undead.

[00:05:50] And moving into this house,

[00:05:53] like the characters do,

[00:05:54] it's almost like a trap.

[00:05:56] Like, you're being trapped,

[00:05:57] and then the whole town's going to swarm you

[00:06:00] and turn you into more of them.

[00:06:01] So what do you guys think?

[00:06:03] Do you think that's a fair comparison?

[00:06:07] I think it probably has parallels throughout all of it.

[00:06:09] I mean, the zombie sub-genre

[00:06:12] kind of deals with all of that in its own way.

[00:06:15] It's usually post-apocalyptic or isolation,

[00:06:17] whether you have like 28 weeks later

[00:06:19] where they're all in the house at the beginning

[00:06:20] and then the dead just kind of breaks through.

[00:06:23] Or you have the Omega Man and the I Am Legend,

[00:06:25] which is kind of like a vampiric zombie offshoot.

[00:06:30] I mean, a lot of those movies

[00:06:32] and a lot of the stories that you get with zombies

[00:06:35] kind of cross over into that.

[00:06:37] So I think it's pretty easy.

[00:06:39] I don't know if he necessarily wrote the book

[00:06:42] with the intention of like,

[00:06:43] this is my Omega Man.

[00:06:44] But it's just one of those genres

[00:06:46] where there's so many parallels across all of them

[00:06:48] that they all kind of intermingle.

[00:06:51] Absolutely.

[00:06:52] And funny enough that you bring up,

[00:06:54] you know, like the sort of vampire zombies

[00:06:56] because that's basically what these zombies are too

[00:06:58] because they feast on blood instead of flesh.

[00:07:02] And of course they burn into sunlight.

[00:07:05] And they're killed by daylight, yeah.

[00:07:06] It's weird that they're not just vampires

[00:07:08] because they're essentially vampires

[00:07:10] other than the fact that, you know,

[00:07:14] they're not, they can't turn into bats or whatever.

[00:07:16] Like the typical vampire things.

[00:07:19] Is that what separates them out?

[00:07:20] Because the thing is like,

[00:07:23] they don't really, I guess,

[00:07:25] call them zombies per se

[00:07:26] because they're very aware.

[00:07:29] Like they're still everyday people almost

[00:07:32] to the point of they can talk to you.

[00:07:35] They look normal as long as they feed on blood

[00:07:37] kind of a deal.

[00:07:38] When you think zombie,

[00:07:39] you think like rotting corpse and stuff.

[00:07:41] And then you kind of get that at the end of Dead House

[00:07:43] once they actually reveal themselves

[00:07:45] and they're starting to get really hungry.

[00:07:48] But other than that, I mean, like,

[00:07:50] I don't know.

[00:07:52] Like they're, I feel like they're just kind of

[00:07:54] hungry vampires at that point.

[00:07:56] Exactly.

[00:07:57] Well, and the interesting thing about the episode adaptation

[00:08:00] is that it is what makes that episode so unnerving.

[00:08:05] It's what I consider to be one of the best ones.

[00:08:08] But the fact that over time,

[00:08:09] like when they first move in,

[00:08:11] like everybody looks,

[00:08:12] they don't act normal,

[00:08:13] but they look normal.

[00:08:14] So you would probably just be like,

[00:08:16] oh, they're just kind of weird.

[00:08:17] But the more time goes on,

[00:08:18] their skin gets more gray.

[00:08:21] There's like blemishes and deformities

[00:08:22] that start to appear.

[00:08:24] Like by the end,

[00:08:25] everybody who looked normal at the beginning

[00:08:28] looks like really like they're rotting,

[00:08:30] which is creepy in its own sense.

[00:08:33] Another film I want to bring a comparison to

[00:08:36] just because of how the zombies come to be

[00:08:38] is one of my favorite zombie movies,

[00:08:40] Return of the Living Dead.

[00:08:42] Because the whole thing starts as a chemical accident,

[00:08:46] chemical accident from a factory.

[00:08:48] And I don't know if they specifically say

[00:08:50] it was like a gas,

[00:08:52] but it basically killed everyone

[00:08:54] and then brought them back to life as the undead.

[00:08:57] And that's exactly what happens

[00:08:59] in Return of the Living Dead.

[00:09:01] They either bring zombies back from the grave

[00:09:04] or in the sense of Tom Matthew

[00:09:07] and I forget the other guy's names,

[00:09:09] characters,

[00:09:11] they get sprayed with the gas,

[00:09:12] they die,

[00:09:13] but then they get back up.

[00:09:14] So they're like undead.

[00:09:18] So that's sort of parallel right there.

[00:09:20] But that is sort of the thing

[00:09:23] about the zombie genre,

[00:09:24] as you were saying, Cody,

[00:09:25] is that it crosses over so much

[00:09:28] that you can basically pinpoint

[00:09:30] a bunch of different movies

[00:09:32] to Dead House in a sense.

[00:09:33] But those were the three I personally felt

[00:09:35] were the most like it

[00:09:37] if you were to kind of like put them in a blender

[00:09:39] and, you know,

[00:09:40] see what came out.

[00:09:42] Yeah.

[00:09:43] So that said,

[00:09:44] I mean,

[00:09:45] what are your favorite kind of zombies, guys?

[00:09:47] I mean,

[00:09:47] what do we,

[00:09:48] we like the running kind that come after you,

[00:09:50] like those Walking Dead versions?

[00:09:51] I still really like Return of the Living Dead

[00:09:53] because I don't think that movie gets enough credit

[00:09:57] because that's the movie not only

[00:09:58] before Zack Snyder,

[00:10:00] you know,

[00:10:01] did Dawn of the Dead,

[00:10:03] Return of the Living Dead was running zombies

[00:10:05] and also there was the first movie

[00:10:07] that had brain eating zombies.

[00:10:09] Every time a movie or a show

[00:10:12] has a zombie saying,

[00:10:13] zombie saying brains,

[00:10:15] it came from that movie.

[00:10:17] Because before then,

[00:10:18] you know,

[00:10:18] the George Romero movies,

[00:10:20] it was just eating flesh.

[00:10:21] They would just eat any part.

[00:10:23] But the Return of the Living Dead zombies.

[00:10:26] And they got picky

[00:10:26] and they got bougie later,

[00:10:28] I guess.

[00:10:28] Yeah,

[00:10:29] they just got bougie.

[00:10:30] They started getting on that

[00:10:31] high class stuff.

[00:10:34] My favorite zombie movie

[00:10:35] was Shaun of the Dead.

[00:10:36] I mean,

[00:10:37] I'm just going to say it.

[00:10:39] Like,

[00:10:40] I know it's a comedy,

[00:10:40] but that's my favorite.

[00:10:42] I just think it's so good.

[00:10:43] It's a comedy,

[00:10:43] but there's a scene

[00:10:44] where he shoots his mother

[00:10:45] in the face in that movie.

[00:10:48] I love it.

[00:10:49] It's so classic

[00:10:50] and it's 20 years now.

[00:10:52] This year's the 20th anniversary

[00:10:53] of Shaun of the Dead,

[00:10:54] which is scary to think.

[00:10:55] Is it really?

[00:10:56] Yeah,

[00:10:57] 2004.

[00:10:58] Dang,

[00:10:59] dude.

[00:10:59] 2004 got a lot of great movies

[00:11:00] graduated in O4.

[00:11:01] That's wild.

[00:11:03] 2004 was

[00:11:04] all the best movies,

[00:11:05] I think.

[00:11:06] It was a good year for films,

[00:11:07] that's for sure.

[00:11:08] Yep.

[00:11:09] My favorite types

[00:11:10] are the,

[00:11:10] like the Zack Snyder,

[00:11:12] Dawn of the Dead,

[00:11:12] 28 Days Later,

[00:11:14] like the fast,

[00:11:15] ferocious ones.

[00:11:16] I like the slow zombies,

[00:11:18] but I've just never really

[00:11:19] been that scared of them,

[00:11:20] you know what I mean?

[00:11:21] Just they're more

[00:11:22] out of the numbers,

[00:11:23] you know,

[00:11:24] the hordes,

[00:11:25] whereas the zombies

[00:11:26] in those movies,

[00:11:27] it's like,

[00:11:27] yeah,

[00:11:28] that's intense.

[00:11:29] Like,

[00:11:29] the world's done.

[00:11:30] Yeah,

[00:11:31] yeah,

[00:11:31] that opening scene

[00:11:33] is still like

[00:11:34] one of the freakiest

[00:11:34] opening scenes

[00:11:35] in a horror movie

[00:11:36] in Dawn of the Dead.

[00:11:38] So,

[00:11:39] yeah,

[00:11:40] I totally agree.

[00:11:41] The thing about

[00:11:42] running,

[00:11:43] zombies that can run

[00:11:44] are really freaking scary,

[00:11:46] especially when you

[00:11:47] put them in a horde.

[00:11:48] Like,

[00:11:48] a horde of like

[00:11:49] slow moving zombies

[00:11:50] is creepy,

[00:11:51] but it's like,

[00:11:52] as long as you can run,

[00:11:54] like,

[00:11:54] I think you'll be okay.

[00:11:55] Or walk fast,

[00:11:56] even.

[00:11:57] Or walk fast.

[00:11:57] In some circumstances,

[00:11:59] it's like,

[00:11:59] if you can power walk,

[00:12:00] you can get away,

[00:12:01] so.

[00:12:02] Or you got a nice

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[00:12:50] cheese and die it doesn't exactly telegraph someone's death it's just kind of a bad thing

[00:12:55] that will happen um now obviously some of those things can lead to death for example you know a

[00:13:00] car crash like in the in the book um but uh but polaroid definitely takes a more like you know

[00:13:07] the more gruesome angle on it was like people will die um if they get their picture taken

[00:13:13] um and then you also have uh similarly but more or less again just a certain plot point uh final

[00:13:20] destination three has uh the premonitions are told by the pictures that one character takes

[00:13:25] of all the characters um or at least it's it's linked in a sense um so what do you guys think

[00:13:33] do you agree with those do you think it connects to any other sort of movie uh yeah both of those

[00:13:39] are pretty close um polaroid i think is a foreign film then there was a an american remake if i'm not

[00:13:45] mistaken so there'd be two different versions of that and then final destination just in general

[00:13:49] is kind of that whole premonition thing um i'm trying to look up the name of a movie it's one

[00:13:54] there's one that i remember it's it's less about premonition and more about like time travel

[00:14:00] where you had like this camera that had the ability to look into the future and then there was like this

[00:14:06] horror twist to it where it was being manipulated to show reminitions or like some kind of an omen

[00:14:12] of death uh i'll look for the title of it while you guys continue but that's that's one that i'm

[00:14:16] yeah i was gonna say that sounds so familiar and i don't i don't remember the name of that one either

[00:14:23] yeah one thing i will bring up is yeah that sounds like almost exact too with the exception of like

[00:14:28] obviously i don't think if i it's been a while since i read the book but nobody died in the

[00:14:33] episode obviously so yeah i mean there was definitely i know those parts with horror series

[00:14:39] had a little more um one thing i'll give the 2023 series adaptation is it went a little more dark in

[00:14:46] the the pictures it took uh one of the pictures resulted in one of the characters having like an

[00:14:51] allergic reaction like that did almost kill her um and then the scene on the football field which

[00:14:56] honestly i neglected to mention in our uh interview with ben cock el uh that's a great scene on the

[00:15:03] football field uh with all the skeleton football players and they're like covered in fire like

[00:15:08] that's that's freaking awesome um but yeah that's something that made me think more uh like batman

[00:15:14] was scarecrow fear toxin kind of stuff when the episode and the animated series had something similar

[00:15:19] to that it almost seemed like players and stuff and yeah it almost seemed more like a fear toxin thing

[00:15:25] rather than you know the camera or anything which was kind of weird but again they were doing

[00:15:30] something new with goosebumps so also one thing there's definitely comparisons to the twilight zone

[00:15:38] uh i know that everybody always tells me that there was a twilight zone episode that was essentially

[00:15:43] this and they're always talking about how rl stein took inspiration uh we won't go too much into

[00:15:48] detail about twilight zone except for one uh example that i will get to later because it relates to the

[00:15:54] twilight zone movie um but if you want to know more i feel we covered that a lot on those past episodes

[00:16:00] we did yeah we i was about to say if you if you anyone in our audiences watched episode 22 uh with

[00:16:07] dr wolfie on horror for kids we talked a lot about horror anthology shows like twilight zone and tales

[00:16:12] from the crypt uh so if you want to know more about that go check out that episode the name of the

[00:16:17] movie i was looking for is called time lapse from 2014 it's got daniel panabaker and matt o'leary and

[00:16:22] a couple other people um so it's loose but basically what that one was there's a there's a

[00:16:29] camera that takes a picture at the same time every night and it shows 24 hours in the future

[00:16:35] and so knowing the future starts to have very grave consequences for people and so it i don't want

[00:16:42] to spoil the twist in the movie but it goes a little more in a horror direction by the end of it

[00:16:46] that's closer to to say cheese and die that is very interesting i haven't heard of that movie and

[00:16:50] it's pretty decent i don't want to oversell it but it's it's pretty decent well and the idea of it being

[00:16:55] used is like it's not you know like the camera itself is not evil per se it's just kind of like

[00:17:01] it's just what will happen in the future um it is also a very good concept because of course you can

[00:17:07] just say like oh it no matter what it's going to be bad but it's like sometimes the future is just bad

[00:17:13] but it's the knowledge of the future that is scary like uh there's always a thing about

[00:17:20] like would you actually like to know like the exact date and time of your death

[00:17:23] it's like that's something that information that no one would really want so yeah that sort of thing

[00:17:29] i'll take it

[00:17:32] what would you take it for

[00:17:36] because if i knew like if i was going to die tomorrow you know what i would do today

[00:17:41] probably a lot of cool stuff i wouldn't have done today that's a short answer

[00:17:44] plan for the future if i don't have to plan for the future tomorrow other than that time of day

[00:17:50] where i'm gonna die yeah i'll go do some stuff i guess now um there's gonna be a little bit of this

[00:17:58] that we'll talk about later in some of the more or less likely comparisons um but one that i found

[00:18:04] that was pretty interesting uh was that the curse of the mummy's tomb that's the fifth goosebumps book

[00:18:10] there's actually a 50s movie called the curse of the mummy's tomb and uh funnily enough from what

[00:18:17] i've heard the plots are basically similar they're basically the same except the the main character's

[00:18:22] age is you know significantly different in the goosebumps book it's a kid in the movie it's

[00:18:27] an adult it's an explorer um curse of the mummy's tomb's never really been a standout goosebumps

[00:18:33] book for me um it's not even the episode that they made first they went to the sequel right away but

[00:18:40] um it's never been a goosebumps story that really like was that interesting for me so i more just found

[00:18:45] it funny that there is a movie out there that shares the exact same name there's a couple of them

[00:18:50] that are pretty direct references to universal monsters and there's like a phantom of the opera one and

[00:18:55] some other ones yeah yep phantom of the auditorium yeah basically phantom of the opera in like uh in in

[00:19:03] in a school for a school play um there's a little bit of difference there's a little bit of difference

[00:19:08] that the goosebumps book has uh it deals a little more with the actual supernatural

[00:19:13] um so there are like real ghosts and it's a little dark because there's you know child death in it

[00:19:21] but um it's a pretty interesting book but yeah and there's also um another one i actually want to

[00:19:28] bring up is i didn't think about this till very recently but why i'm afraid of bees uh is actually

[00:19:33] very similar to the fly um now if you look at the cover of the book it it looks exactly like that it's

[00:19:40] just like the you know in the in the 1958 fly with the the fly with the the human head he's like

[00:19:46] help me um but it is kind of like that it this one though it deals a little more with brain transfer

[00:19:54] it's not like a a straight transformation like the the 50s film or the remake definitely not like

[00:20:00] the remake um but uh it deals a little more with like brain swapping so of course the main character's

[00:20:07] brain gets swapped into a bee um but then his the bees brain goes into his body so he he looks normal

[00:20:15] but he's just like acting like a bee just like um it does have a great ending too he's like he gets

[00:20:23] back to normal but then he's like i think he starts pollinating a flower or something like that

[00:20:29] great goosebumps classic stuff um let's get a little more into the uh into the interesting ones

[00:20:36] i personally believe that the sixth book let's get invisible is actually very similar

[00:20:41] um not to the invisible man uh that's one that a lot of people again just kind of like the

[00:20:48] surface level comparisons i don't believe that one what i do think it's similar to uh is actually

[00:20:54] something like either flatliners or talk to me uh the idea of kids messing with a supernatural

[00:21:00] object for fun but then the more they use it the more the supernatural stuff starts to take over

[00:21:06] in this case the kids use a mirror that makes them invisible cool stuff right you get to be invisible

[00:21:12] the more they use it though there's evil versions of themselves on the other side of the mirror in

[00:21:18] like the mirror world and the more they use it the more susceptible they are to being replaced

[00:21:23] with these evil copies and then they're trapped forever uh in the mirror dimension um so i thought

[00:21:30] that was pretty similar to like again like talk to me just the idea of kids using a supernatural

[00:21:35] object for fun but then it turns you know sinister yeah also kind of the pushing your boundaries too

[00:21:42] with the flat flatliners and talk to me where it just starts out like one person does it for

[00:21:46] a minute and then and the next person wants to go bigger so they do it for 90 seconds and the next

[00:21:51] person wants to do it for two minutes and then the worse it gets so definitely um so let's get into

[00:21:59] the the big one the big the big boy of it all uh we got to talk about night of the living dummy

[00:22:04] and uh slappy now slappy is a horror trope in and of itself living dolls are everywhere in hard

[00:22:13] um again people were comparing uh slappy to like talking tina in uh the twilight zone or even the

[00:22:21] uh the the dummy episode uh in the twilight zone i forget what it is i think it's just called the

[00:22:29] dummy it was like willy the dummy um there's actually a really good video by pushing up roses

[00:22:35] on youtube that dives a little more into that comparison but slappy himself is pretty similar

[00:22:40] to a lot of horror dolls but there's three different properties i think uh it translate

[00:22:45] well to slappy the first and most obvious one uh is chucky um now yeah i was about to say cody i know

[00:22:53] you're a big chucky fan um so i guess i'll start with you quick do you think that slappy and chucky are

[00:23:01] pretty similar characters uh i mean having a reanimated doll that's trying to kind of manipulate

[00:23:09] children i mean it's very similar there only one's just way more evil with his intentions

[00:23:16] yeah exactly a little bit more deliberate with it um but yeah i mean similar i always um

[00:23:23] i remember i had the vhs tape for i think it was night of the living dummy part three uh is that the

[00:23:29] one with hayden christensen it is yeah okay so that's the one i had that i remember i used to

[00:23:34] watch that a lot because it just it it was like my chucky goosebumps episode that i always liked so

[00:23:39] yeah i always drew those comparisons and then there's been a bunch of other you know pseudo chucky's

[00:23:43] yeah like pinocchio's revenge and i would even say megan is kind of like a modern day version of

[00:23:49] of chucky that takes a bit of that so absolutely well and uh the funny thing i will say about

[00:23:56] because yeah slappy and chucky are definitely i don't see slappy dancing like that i don't see

[00:24:03] i don't see chucky dancing like that either yet didn't they do a direct reference to megan in the

[00:24:08] chucky tv series i'm pretty sure i saw yeah he was like what the hell is this

[00:24:13] is it the threegan yeah it was something like that it was like boo

[00:24:19] um one thing that's interesting about slappy and chucky is that they are both similar but they're

[00:24:25] also different more different in their motivations um well one thing i will bring up is the original

[00:24:31] night of the living dummy um bjorn knows this all too well has a character named mr wood

[00:24:38] and it actually i will i guess i'll throw in one more comparison night of the living dummy one is

[00:24:43] actually very similar to friday the 13th part one because slappy like jason is not the main antagonist

[00:24:50] uh it's a different character named mr wood and um we watched a video recently of like the top 13

[00:24:56] goosebumps books and i remember the the person doing the video was like uh mr wood's more of a

[00:25:00] bastard than slappy ever was in my opinion um because in the book i mean he he does all the typical

[00:25:06] slappy things but then he like ends up trying to strangle the family dog to death like he's just

[00:25:11] like groping onto the dog's throat and they're like it's like holy shit it was like slappy never did

[00:25:19] anything like that um but both slappy and chucky are possessed dolls in their own sense um slappy was

[00:25:27] cast a spell on by a sorcerer and chucky is uh possessed by the spirit of a of a serial killer

[00:25:35] um but they're both sort of like wisecracking dolls uh what you said before about you know

[00:25:40] tormenting children that is uh what both of them do uh chucky more does it for his own you know means

[00:25:47] in the first three movies he wants to you know transfer his soul into a living body he wants to

[00:25:52] get out of the doll body slappy more just wants to kind of be in control he always wants to turn people

[00:25:57] and two slaves uh to do his bidding and uh the interesting thing about night of the living dummy

[00:26:06] and child's play what i found out was that night of the living dummy has living dummy two and three

[00:26:14] and then the fourth one is bride of the living dummy what does chucky have child's play one two

[00:26:20] and three and bride of chucky so i thought that was pretty pretty funny in fact uh i if i remember

[00:26:26] correctly nick when we talked with ron oliver he said that uh did he say that the i think he said

[00:26:35] something about the director like took inspiration yeah so he mentioned that he had um talked with the

[00:26:43] director about it and for bride of chucky and a lot of the uh sequences and like the character stuff was

[00:26:51] i think taken through what ron did with that episode um and even down to ron saying that like because we

[00:26:59] were comparing some of the shots from child's play one two and three and what uh you know they did on

[00:27:05] the goosebump series with night of living dummy two and three similar shots you know pov from chucky

[00:27:12] from the first one you know where you just it's just a camera walking through slappy did that also

[00:27:17] and things like that and we were like yeah did you happen to you know take some of the inspiration from

[00:27:21] that shot he's like oh i'm sure we did i'm sure we just ripped that straight off so i mean which is fair

[00:27:27] i mean it's it's it's a good pov shot and if you're gonna have a main antagonist be a doll or

[00:27:35] a dummy then you gotta have some pov shots i think makes it a little creepy to see their point of view

[00:27:41] definitely more than the first child's play and just the pov shots because they're trying to

[00:27:46] build up the mystery of it but once you got to the second one it was like full-blown

[00:27:50] nah he's the he's the guy he's the person back then yeah uh also i will say that uh living dummy

[00:27:57] two and child's play two are the best of their franchises so just like that there you go

[00:28:03] absolutely i agree um but moving on from uh from chucky there's also a few other films uh to bring

[00:28:11] up one of them is magic from uh the 70s now that movie is about a ventriloquist who i don't know

[00:28:20] if they i haven't seen the movie in a long time but i don't remember if they explicitly say that the

[00:28:24] dummy is alive or if it's just kind of like a split personality game but basically a ventriloquist is

[00:28:29] kind of tormented by what his dummy is telling him uh when eventually leads to murder

[00:28:36] ooh um something like that was done in bride of the living dummy both the book and the episode

[00:28:43] uh where a ventriloquist gets a hold of slappy but slappy's the one being like you know you're

[00:28:48] gonna do what i tell you or like bad stuff's gonna happen he's like well i don't want to do

[00:28:54] like this whole act um because he's basically the one reason i i really like bride of the living dummy

[00:29:01] is because slappy's just being himself like the ventriloquist isn't doing anything he's doing

[00:29:06] shows with slappy but slappy is just like essentially just talking to the audience and insulting everybody

[00:29:13] my favorite line is still uh he's like what do you think of this audience he's like this is an

[00:29:18] audience for a moment there i thought we were working at the zoo favorite line um this has

[00:29:25] one line of something no definitely that's another reason why i think him and chuck you're good and

[00:29:29] they're both wisecracking assholes they'll crack a one-liner before they i don't know slit your throat

[00:29:36] or something i don't know but um and then another one i wanted to bring up i have to remember oh

[00:29:47] i was gonna say everybody always compares dead silence living dummy i definitely think the design

[00:29:53] of billy is slappy-esque um i didn't even share a picture of billy from dead silence on his social

[00:30:02] media like why i have no idea uh maybe he thought this was slappy for some reason from like the movie

[00:30:10] or something there was no context behind it he just shared a picture of it yeah but

[00:30:17] it was weird yeah i don't know but i i don't know i i love dead silence that was one of my

[00:30:22] uh favorite horror movies um and i can see where there's some comparison but i mean the really only

[00:30:31] connection is the fact that there's dummies to be honest so again it's a surface level

[00:30:35] connection i don't really see much else in that because the it wasn't so much the dolls themselves

[00:30:43] did anything it i mean they did and they didn't it was always mary shaw so still the ventriloquist not

[00:30:51] the no relation no relation well that's the thing no relation to me most dummy movies not all of them

[00:30:59] but most of them are usually about like what the ventriloquist and the dummy and not the dummy itself

[00:31:06] slappy is really the only time that a ventriloquist dummy has been independent and the one behind

[00:31:11] everything um sometimes whether it's supernatural or like they do again the whole split personality

[00:31:19] sort of thing um one of my favorites is the tales from the crypt episode the ventriloquist dummy uh

[00:31:26] because it wasn't even a dummy at all it was a deformed siamese twin on the ventriloquist hand

[00:31:31] um i talked about it before it's one of my favorite tales oh yeah yeah yeah okay it was it was don

[00:31:36] rickles that made me think more like um again that was more like a batman reference in my mind like

[00:31:42] the ventriloquist with the dummy scarface uh very very similar but yeah that twist and twilight

[00:31:50] episode was messed up yeah definitely that deformed brother on his arm

[00:31:57] he's like what an ugly bastard

[00:32:02] yeah but yeah i mean um i think like maybe puppet master would be a better comparison uh i know

[00:32:09] they're not ventriloquist per se because they're you know puppets they're string puppets are meant

[00:32:14] to be but they're still alive they still do all the mischief stuff they still do everything it's not

[00:32:20] someone else controlling them per se exactly although i'll i'll straight up admit i know it's

[00:32:27] blasphemy to some people but i did not i tried so hard i cannot watch those puppet master movies man

[00:32:32] they're they're pretty rough they're terrible isn't it like 20 they're bad they're they're upwards of 16

[00:32:39] of them somebody requested for me back when i used to do the review requests to do the first one and it

[00:32:45] was a struggle and then everybody was like you gotta watch the second one a second one is the best one

[00:32:49] and then somebody'd say the third one's the best one or the fourth one's the best one and so like

[00:32:53] five years later i watched the second one and i was like i'm done i'm not watching 14 more of these

[00:32:58] but i will say hopefully if you do another if you do a 31 on 31 on uh you know living dolls hopefully

[00:33:05] but master's not on the table that'll be half the month why do you hate me

[00:33:11] i didn't know there were 16 of those movies jesus christ there's something up there there's some

[00:33:15] of them that'll surprise you like that and amityville horror where you look up how many there

[00:33:19] are that are like you know official and you're like whoa how children of the corn's got quite a few

[00:33:27] um there's one other one i keep seeing more and more oh hellraiser i just keep seeing more and more

[00:33:32] i don't even know how many there are those now either but man wasn't it funny that some of the

[00:33:36] worst horror franchises are the ones that probably have like the most sequels

[00:33:40] mm-hmm yeah in a sense see like the original hellraiser fantastic uh even i think hellraiser 2

[00:33:47] i enjoyed a good amount enough to re-watch it if i wanted to but man that just started really

[00:33:54] slipping after that second one uh even that uh remake one what y'all god resident evil don't

[00:34:01] be sure on that that's a lot i enjoy the first like i enjoy the first resident evil like i think

[00:34:08] there's some redeeming qualities in that first one i mean it wasn't amazing but it was still

[00:34:14] enjoyable popcorn it's just a popcorn movie it is it definitely is um one suggestion that was made to

[00:34:23] me because i put an instagram post out uh a few weeks ago just sort of getting the audience's

[00:34:28] opinions um on this topic and one person brought up that they felt the sixth sense was similar to the

[00:34:35] ghost next door um i feel like the only reason that that comparison is there is because there's a kid

[00:34:41] that can speak to the dead um it's not exactly the same in ghost next door it's basically uh

[00:34:48] one kid who can see one ghost um but the sixth sense is sort of like you know a kid who can see

[00:34:55] a lot of dead people um so i don't know if that one really translates a lot what do you guys think

[00:35:05] um i don't know if you're gonna go that route then you could really say like a haunting in

[00:35:09] connecticut and you know i'm sure there's two or three others right now that i just can't think of

[00:35:14] off the top of my head that are very similar where it's a a child who can speak with the dead for one

[00:35:19] reason or another um i don't know i mean it's again it might be a surface level comparison but

[00:35:28] the only point you can compare it to paranormal yeah the only plot plot i can think of exactly

[00:35:33] he was dead for most of it as he didn't realize he was dead for most of it that's really all i can

[00:35:40] compare that's one thing right that's the only thing i can think of in that whole movie because

[00:35:44] like he didn't realize obviously he was dead for a long time and she kind of didn't realize she was

[00:35:48] dead for a while so that's it that's all i can really compare the two with yeah um oh now we're

[00:35:57] on to uh chamelan um moving on to arguably the best goosebumps book the haunted mask um there are

[00:36:09] two movies that i found uh comparable to that one and the first one is actually um 2014's clown

[00:36:16] uh directed by john watts who funny enough would go on to the tom holland spider-man movies

[00:36:21] what a jump that was um clown is essentially a movie about a dad who buys like a clown what he

[00:36:29] believes to be a clown costume and he puts it on and it like slowly he slowly turns into a clown but

[00:36:35] like it's not actually a clown it's a demon that looks like a clown and uh eats kids so um there's

[00:36:44] a lot of similarities to the haunted mask you know putting on a costume or in this case a mask

[00:36:49] that becomes a part of you and it changes you um into something that you're not uh there's sort of

[00:36:55] like an underlying evil to the transformation uh in clown sense it's a lot more feral a lot more

[00:37:01] ferocious uh and bloody uh but in the haunted mask it's a lot more psychological it's like a

[00:37:07] psychological takeover it's sort of like your inner demons coming out uh into the open um but i

[00:37:14] found i i found it pretty interesting i know i don't know like what the general consensus on clown is i

[00:37:19] thought it was a pretty interesting concept for a movie um the one scene i will never get out of my

[00:37:24] head is when he tries to uh you know he puts a gun in his mouth and tries to shoot himself

[00:37:28] uh and the blood is rainbow colored uh and not to mention he doesn't die so um it's a pretty

[00:37:37] interesting concept whoever uh clown cody i have it was one of those movies that got a lot of

[00:37:43] buzz when it first came out because if i'm not mistaken it had like eli roth presents on the

[00:37:49] poster which basically means they gave him a like 100 grand to like give him a high five and

[00:37:54] i don't think he had anything to do with the actual movie but it was it was interesting uh it didn't uh

[00:38:00] it didn't quite deliver what i was hoping from it uh but it is an interesting movie but john watson

[00:38:06] general is kind of an odd director because you have that you have the movie cop car with um

[00:38:12] uh kevin bacon and then you have the spider-man movies and it's like i've seen five movies from this

[00:38:17] guy and i still can't tell you like what his style is yeah exactly it's like he jumps from genre

[00:38:22] genre so often it's like leapfrogging so that's why i was like wait he directed that and then he

[00:38:29] went on to do that so i mean even in if he stayed in the same genre i mean you wouldn't be able to

[00:38:36] probably tell he did it it's really weird like there are some directors their stylization

[00:38:42] transcends any genre you can tell immediately like this is zach snyder or this is quentin tarantino

[00:38:48] not him though like it's i would have to like look it up see who did this movie at least when sam

[00:38:53] raimi did his spider-man movies he at least had some aspects of uh you know of his previous work in

[00:38:59] there right you know spider-man 2 hospital scene anyone yes so um another movie in terms of like

[00:39:09] you know putting on masks and transformations is a halloween 3 season of the witch um now

[00:39:15] that movie the mask come on and then it like rots you from the inside it kills you essentially

[00:39:22] um there's different motivations behind it so that one is more again more of a surface level one

[00:39:28] um but i like halloween 3 same oh yeah i love that halloween 3 that's one of those movies that

[00:39:36] was shit on for so long ever since it came out and then like now the last few years people are

[00:39:41] being like wait this movie's bad wait a minute no it's good i found a found a new life i mean i know

[00:39:47] it's been talked to to death by so many podcasts and so many youtube channels and stuff but it really

[00:39:52] is sad that like it didn't get the love it really deserved back then because but that kind of goes

[00:39:57] with a lot of movies like trick-or-treat you know like probably my favorite halloween movie uh just

[00:40:04] because it covers the whole aesthetic of halloween it's it's amazing um and that was supposed to get

[00:40:11] a theatrical run and didn't kind of had to take its own way to get popularity and that's kind of the

[00:40:16] way halloween 3 had to go you know everybody shat on it because there was no michael myers

[00:40:20] even though he was technically in it he was on that tv for at least five seconds he was in that film

[00:40:30] yeah i remember somebody was like losing their mind is like wait how can halloween be a movie in

[00:40:34] this universe and it's like who cares it doesn't even have michael myers in it um but i mean the

[00:40:41] haunted mask is uh while we can compare it to those movies uh the haunted mask itself is such an

[00:40:47] interesting concept for a goosebumps book and like i said at the beginning like it's arguably one of the

[00:40:54] best goosebumps books if not goosebumps stories because the episode is awesome too um but one

[00:41:01] thing i will say is that you know as much as we can compare goosebumps does find some ways uh to make

[00:41:07] its stories even if they're similar unique and fresh in certain ways there's one story uh that we'll get

[00:41:13] to coming up um but the haunted mask is definitely one of those examples uh one that is not one of those

[00:41:19] examples is a werewolf of fever swamp because it's essentially a werewolf story down with bare basics

[00:41:26] um one commenter said that that movie or that book is similar to the movie bad moon uh because it does

[00:41:36] have a red herring with a dog um i have not seen bad moon so i cannot attest that what do you guys think

[00:41:44] yeah i've seen bad moon and that is that is an element of it where you have the dog and the mom's afraid

[00:41:50] that because they give a mom you have a kid the kid's attached to the dog and then you have an uncle

[00:41:54] living in the backyard and uh it's not the dog oh yeah it's that's the thing it's like when you're when

[00:42:03] you're when you're poised with a werewolf it's like why would you think a dog would do any of that like

[00:42:07] i i think we talked about this when we did our two-parter ranking of goosebumps but

[00:42:13] it's like how do the parents take a look at like the humongous bite marks in big planks of wood

[00:42:19] and think that it's the dog like the normal dog is like if you're if you're a rational human being

[00:42:26] you're being like that's not a fucking dog yeah yeah it's it's wild to me like in fever swamp these

[00:42:33] scientists of all people they're scientists but you can and you work with animals of all things too

[00:42:41] but you can't figure out that this shepherd's bite isn't as big as what looks like a saint bernard's

[00:42:47] bite or something on this wood plank they're too busy having their heart on for deer okay shit

[00:42:53] yeah i guess but i mean it was i love bad moon um that that was a great one and it was based on a

[00:43:00] book uh called thor which was the dog in the movie as well same name but also a shepherd funny enough

[00:43:06] um so but they do kind of explain at least in that one it's like well okay it can't be the dog

[00:43:13] at least they're smart enough to say that you know it's like it can't be the dog you know wolves get

[00:43:18] so big and much bigger and blah blah blah the dude's not even a scientist and can tell you that so

[00:43:24] i don't know what they were thinking was riding goosebumps when they did that but yeah you know

[00:43:28] it's just the the logical thing of like you know parents don't believe the kids but taken to like

[00:43:33] probably the stupidest level because if you say that like oh that ventriloquist dummy's coming

[00:43:38] alive you're gonna be like yeah right but if you're like you know you're seeing like animals getting

[00:43:43] ripped apart like spaghetti and you're gonna be like it's not the dog it's a werewolf you're probably

[00:43:48] gonna be like well i don't know if i believe the werewolf but i don't think that dog did it

[00:43:53] i don't know all right i mean it was it was only grady with the common sense i mean he literally

[00:43:57] looked at his parents he might as well just said are you stupid he's like hey it's like you think a

[00:44:02] dog do that to a fence well i mean he they just like it kind of stupid because they're like uh

[00:44:10] did the swamp hermit hurt you and he's like no it's like uh he trapped you in a net and held you

[00:44:15] hostage in a shack while he ate chicken he kind of hurt you with his grody fingernails yeah that was

[00:44:23] nasty um oh going back to the haunted mask let's talk about haunted mask 2 and uh to a lesser extent

[00:44:29] the episode an old story and uh talk about another chamois and movie uh old um because that one is uh

[00:44:37] they're all stories that deal with uh you know people aging very rapidly um in goosebumps sense

[00:44:44] you know their their kid it happens in old too but like you know kids going from kids to like really

[00:44:50] really old very quickly uh in terms of the haunted mask it's another mask but instead of turning evil

[00:44:56] it turns you old um and the body horror is there especially in the episode you got like uh the

[00:45:03] the hands turning and like really grody and the fingernails becoming really long

[00:45:08] and in an old story it's just an aunt trying to pimp out her nephews

[00:45:13] it's one of the weird old bitty friends to the golden girls yeah it's one of the weirdest

[00:45:18] goosebumps stories but um obviously in old there's different circumstances because you you go to a

[00:45:24] a beach and then everyone's turning old um but it also gets into like you know the things that come

[00:45:33] with like aging rapidly um so like for the for the kids for example you know like as they rapidly age

[00:45:40] hormones start to set in and then one of them gets pregnant uh and then the baby dies inside them

[00:45:47] it's it's very unnerving it's like one of the that's one of those movies where i'm like

[00:45:52] be like ah can i turn this off like yeah i don't know that one didn't work for me at all

[00:45:58] shamala was extreme bitterness yeah it's that's what we were talking about before man it's it's really

[00:46:04] funny how like i don't know maybe like 50 of his movies are are good but that's also the kicker

[00:46:11] because he i think he funds a lot of the movies himself and a lot of his stuff is original so i can't

[00:46:17] knock him uh for doing stuff i mean the with the exception being uh like knock at the cabin wasn't

[00:46:22] an original by any means but um i think there was one other one i can't remember which one it was though

[00:46:28] but regardless i mean it's he's so hit and miss and when he misses though i mean he misses big i mean it's

[00:46:37] not even like a little bit it's like oh it could have been great except for this

[00:46:41] old was a prime example it was a weird movie uh the ending was odd too and then uh the happening

[00:46:49] i don't know if you ever watched that one but oh my god you're gonna kill me aren't you it's like

[00:46:54] no man we're not what no

[00:47:03] i only like two of his films six cents and signs uh i actually not an unbreakable fan

[00:47:12] i don't know i i like certain some certain subject matters i'm like i like the six cents idea i like

[00:47:19] i actually thought that was one of the better films i thought the visit yeah i do like unbreakable

[00:47:26] i'm looking forward to trap that is a pretty interesting one so yeah i'm really looking

[00:47:33] forward to that i'm just excited to see him back yeah yeah now uh going on to monster blood a lot

[00:47:41] of people would say that's very similar to the blob and in some aspects it is but i got one for you

[00:47:46] better um the stuff of the eight everyone well the blah that ate everyone is very similar to the blob

[00:47:53] in when the blob is in the story but it's not for most of the story um but i actually consider

[00:48:01] monster blood to be similar to the stuff um for those of you who haven't seen the stuff it's a pretty

[00:48:06] fun movie i wouldn't say it's like an amazing movie but it's a it's one i have fun with um it's about

[00:48:12] this uh extraterrestrial sort of uh white stuff that's stuff huh um that's repurposed into a dessert

[00:48:21] because it's like really addictive it tastes really good and it's sold as like an ice cream dessert uh

[00:48:27] the whole movie itself is like a commentary on like american capitalism because everyone just goes nuts for

[00:48:33] it um but it's an alien and it like the more you eat it the more it takes over your mind it kind of

[00:48:38] turns into like zombies uh but then the stuff itself is alive i more consider the way the stuff in that

[00:48:45] movie moves to sort of like how monster blood is and even down to like you know effects from

[00:48:51] the person eating it um because if somebody eats monster blood they they grow super big um but the

[00:48:58] monster blood itself is also alive and it also eats people so uh i i more consider it a similar to that

[00:49:07] obviously you know gelatinous stuff eating people is also blob-esque um but that's another one of those

[00:49:12] like more surface level ones in a sense yeah the stuff is a it's a goofy movie i remember the trailer

[00:49:18] being like really scary as a kid where i was like what is this movie like they show all the good scare

[00:49:25] scenes like back to back to back and it's like those stuff you know like when those old school trailers

[00:49:30] where you get somebody with a deep voice and then you watch the movie and it's so cheesy it is you're

[00:49:35] like this is not the bill of goods i was sold yeah it's a it's a movie that has a where's the beef

[00:49:40] reference the stuff um i'll always remember james rolf review of the movie because he feigns like

[00:49:48] fake excitement the whole time he likes the movie but he's just kind of like the stuff is like

[00:49:53] oh it's a movie about this awesome thing it's it's the stuff like um but like i say it's like a commentary

[00:50:02] on like 80s capitalism consumerism more like it at the time um so there's a like a lot of commercial

[00:50:08] uh homages in there they have a a jingle which was stuck in my head for a long time after i saw the movie

[00:50:15] it was like i can't get enough of the stuff something like that but um it's an interesting movie if you

[00:50:22] haven't seen it go check it out um oh here we go no going into an episode of the show and then there is

[00:50:31] a short story but the episodes want to like it and this is not a horror movie comparison at all but

[00:50:36] click compared to click to click the same compared the adam sandler movie click is similar to a

[00:50:46] goosebumps episode and story that came out i think like 10 years before which is funny everybody likes

[00:50:53] to make the comparison like adam sandler ripped off goosebumps um because the story is about a kid

[00:50:59] who gets a remill that he can do anything with so he can pause things he can change color he can rewind

[00:51:04] he can fast forward um again not a horror movie comparison but i just thought it was funny it's

[00:51:11] honestly the most blatant rip off uh related to goosebumps and it's not even horror related um

[00:51:18] what do you guys think of click by the way because many people squash it in like the

[00:51:23] bad like the um the adam sandler movie because everybody always squishes it in from what i see

[00:51:29] with like the bad adam sandler movies and while it's not good i enjoyed it i i thought it was

[00:51:34] he cried honestly when henry winkler started getting emotional when it was really freaking sad

[00:51:40] that was hard that scene that because like i've been in that situation where like

[00:51:46] my dad's just walked away crying when i said something that upset him and that really hit me

[00:51:51] yeah that whole scene was hard i was like why do people bash this movie so much i know it's a lot

[00:51:56] of cringy stuff early on but there are some pretty emotional scenes where they they got it right

[00:52:03] um for me yeah for me i always call it like the last great adam sandler comedy like everything after

[00:52:11] that was either okay or bad to me click was the last one that like really had a lot of that classic

[00:52:17] kind of uh man child humor from that we all know and love from early adam sandler but like you said

[00:52:22] much more emotional that movie wrecks me in the last 30 minutes i mean anything having to do with

[00:52:28] father son stuff is like the stuff that'll get me going the the fastest because i'm very close to my

[00:52:32] father but uh but yeah everything from him and henry winkler to then him having his life just be over

[00:52:39] in a flash and now he's got to just use his last moments to try to correct things with his son and

[00:52:44] just it's um it's a big tonal shift but uh but i've always thought it was a great movie i don't

[00:52:51] i don't understand the hate for it well that's the thing it's like that movie you go into it you're

[00:52:55] like oh adam sandler comedy look he's he's farting in his boss's face uh and then yeah and then you get

[00:53:01] to that last third and you're like this was not the movie we were in 20 minutes ago yeah that's great

[00:53:08] i think click is that's one of the best things about i think that movie in general it can actually

[00:53:13] kind of bob and weave between you know funny dramatic back to funny getting serious dramatic

[00:53:21] back to funny it was it was a nice weave and it didn't leave you like basically crying the whole

[00:53:26] movie it it wanted you to have those moments of levity to give you a little break i mean even

[00:53:33] down to his death scene where you know him and sean astner are there and he just puts that middle

[00:53:38] finger up you know i freaking and then he's and then he's like emotional scene but i'm just like

[00:53:43] yeah they just kind of like yeah you're right yeah it's so you gotta give credit to some of the

[00:53:50] performances in that though when they needed to turn it on they turned it on you know so oh yeah

[00:53:55] that was great um moving on to uh i i guess well one thing i will say about the the goosebumps click

[00:54:04] um it's uh it's definitely one of the better adaptations of the short stories in the tv show

[00:54:09] um i really love the scene where he messes with the bully where he's just like uh he's changing channels

[00:54:15] and like because he's like well what are you gonna do with that stupid remote and he changes the channel

[00:54:20] and he's a game show host he's like oh i'm sorry you didn't answer that in the form of a question

[00:54:26] and then when he's done he brings him back to normal and he's like oh my oh my god i need to sit down

[00:54:32] has him into a bunny rabbit yeah he's can you say holman is a bully

[00:54:41] one of the better short ones definitely it was one of the better comedic ones too it's like it did

[00:54:47] there is a little bit of unease in it because the way he gets the remote is really creepy that's one

[00:54:54] thing that's different from you know the adam sandler movie is that um the origin the remote is very

[00:55:00] mysterious and he's constantly being visited by like this guy in a suit he's like be careful how

[00:55:06] you use that and then the whole episode ends with him uh in this dark void and he's like you know

[00:55:14] we hope you enjoyed using our product and then he just disappears oh yeah yeah yeah the dude in the

[00:55:21] episode was way creepier than christopher walken obviously and the movie christopher walken wasn't

[00:55:26] meant to be i'm christopher walken you know fast food shortens your life

[00:55:35] i still love i will say like uh adam sandler i agree with with you cody like he hasn't done a lot

[00:55:40] of great things after click uh that's probably the last movie i did buy um i will say though i i i

[00:55:48] actually really enjoyed who be halloween though that he did but that's a netflix thing he says he

[00:55:53] pretty much only does netflix stuff now um yeah but who be halloween was pretty good in my opinion

[00:55:58] i really enjoyed that i liked hustle hustle was good yeah his dramatic stuff has been good for sure

[00:56:05] it's just weird to see him go to that dramatic stuff but i mean again with click it did show that he

[00:56:10] could do that stuff so you know he proved himself uh well even before that um because i want to say

[00:56:17] it was before that anyway like i don't know if you ever watched um that really serious 9-11 movie

[00:56:23] was it called uh rain over me uh yeah like that was a very serious role i'm strong glove because i was

[00:56:32] strong love oh no that was a more of a serious one too yeah um but he so he can do it i mean it's

[00:56:40] it's not out of his wheelhouse he's just known for that comedy because snl and obviously everything

[00:56:46] he primarily has done it's been uh widely renowned and has been first days and yeah exactly

[00:56:55] all the gibberish things that he says here oh yeah stuff like that yeah um moving on to uh

[00:57:04] the next book in our wheelhouse we have stay out of the basement um and there's another two movies

[00:57:12] that i consider certain plot points to one is invasion of the body snatchers um because the

[00:57:18] body snatchers is about pod people essentially plant-like clones that take over the world

[00:57:23] and stay out of the basement there are plant clones uh being done down in the basement and it

[00:57:30] the clone of their father traps their dad and then they're trying to like he's trying to make his

[00:57:36] kids eat this green slop one of the nastiest moments from the tv show is just that you i don't even know

[00:57:44] what it is i don't know what they made in the prop department they just hate vegetables anyway and

[00:57:49] then they show something like that it's like bro just lumpy watery cabbage thing that's strange

[00:57:56] it looks like spinach mistlet with like i don't know like really watery spinach

[00:58:05] but um that was weird and then you also have a sense of like i would say reanimator just the idea

[00:58:11] of a scientist in the basement working on like experiments and then it just goes horribly wrong

[00:58:17] uh in that sort of sense yeah

[00:58:23] uh then we yeah there's a oh what was it there's i want to say there was another pod movie and i cannot

[00:58:31] think of the name right now i mean obviously there's probably several pod movies but there's

[00:58:36] one other one i cannot think of right now for some reason what they did a movie called

[00:58:40] the faculty don't you talk about all the faculty yeah the faculty was a was a parasite an alien

[00:58:50] who came with little tiny baby to brainwash everybody and take over their whole entire

[00:58:58] you know nervous system so they could control them like puppets i love the love the such a good

[00:59:04] early josh hotman yeah yeah yeah it's a good one um i tell you that was honestly like that showed

[00:59:12] me like don't get me wrong i love robert patrick as t-1000 but like his role as that coach even when

[00:59:18] he's not possessed by an alien parasite that dude's terrifying yeah but then when he gets controlled it's

[00:59:25] even worse it is he was the creepiest thing in that entire movie like he was scared and the giant

[00:59:31] alien queen at the end yeah right yeah it's like everything is give me give me goosh ball

[00:59:39] shoot him a gavin was pretty scary in that

[00:59:45] yeah um oh he's playing elijah with dad right is that yeah yeah yeah yeah forgot about that

[00:59:53] he like took away a lot of big stars in that movie about that um don't take your teenagers porn away

[01:00:03] i'm gonna backtrack a little bit uh i know i said the curse of mummy's tomb was the only one that had

[01:00:07] a movie with the same name actually the headless ghost uh also has a movie of the same name name from

[01:00:14] 1959 um big shock about a ghost with no head um the headless ghost is a weird book because

[01:00:23] while it does have a character a headless ghost it's more of like a large ensemble haunted house story

[01:00:29] there's a lot of different ghosts in the house so it's more like similar to a basic haunted house

[01:00:34] movie maybe i would some people consider it like similar to the haunting uh or amityville horror

[01:00:40] or something like that uh just basic sort of ghost movies uh and it's basically what it is it's a

[01:00:47] basic ghost uh story in a sense endless ghost you know what it's it's crazy to me though because like

[01:00:53] in 25 years i've been collecting goosebumps i've actually met a lot of goosebumps fans that have told

[01:00:59] me the headless ghost is their favorite book like it's crazy to me like even just one of my friends

[01:01:04] that i met recently at a book fest she said her favorite book was a headless ghost and i'm like

[01:01:08] wow like surprisingly i've had quite a few people to tell me that's their favorite goosebump book

[01:01:15] and um yeah i don't know it's it's weird it's one of those uh books that apparently a lot of people do

[01:01:22] like in the community and then um going back with the episode too i actually really like the episode

[01:01:31] i had with goes yeah i haven't read the book in a long time but the episode has um sort of a nautical

[01:01:37] theme to it because it's like a light almost like a lighthouse uh house that's off the coast of the

[01:01:42] ocean um and the main ghost of the house is a sea captain so there's a lot of like in the music

[01:01:49] stings sort of like that uh nautical sense um it has some really good chase scenes i would say the

[01:01:56] ending chase scene is like yeah super intense i would put it up there with like werewolf of fever swamp

[01:02:00] uh in terms of like you know monster chases great soundtrack it had a really good soundtrack

[01:02:06] because it also had like really hard guitar riffs and like the um like the really intense moments like

[01:02:14] like that chase at the end there's like lots of riffing on the guitar really good stuff uh going

[01:02:21] speaking of episodes um i would say more monster blood is very similar to as i said before uh a segment

[01:02:29] from the twilight zone movie that being terror at 20 000 feet um in more monster blood you have

[01:02:35] monster blood on a plane and when you're in a plane i think a plane is a terrifying place to have a

[01:02:41] monster on board you can't do anything on this mother fucking plane yeah you know what no no

[01:02:46] seriously that's the first thing i was gonna joke about when i as soon as he said i'm tired of this

[01:02:51] mother fucking monster blood on this mother fucking plane monster blood on a plane snakes on a plane

[01:02:57] anything on a plane isn't it because you're so high up in the sky like you know something goes wrong

[01:03:01] you're dead yeah you're fucked he's like what do you deal with the monster on the plane or do you just

[01:03:06] like i don't know jump out the plane and accept your fate like i don't know you'll swim with the

[01:03:11] fishes jaws will get you instead bruce well and more monster blood is a great episode because it it really

[01:03:18] it's funny because monster blood is such a weird concept and honestly most of the books are not good

[01:03:24] as well as uh i don't even think the first episode is that good this one is great because you have

[01:03:29] great characters and um just the idea of having a really like dangerous substance on board that can

[01:03:36] eat you alive like even like the littlest bit like they even say that at the beginning it's like

[01:03:40] even if a little bit got on his shoe it's gonna grow and grow until it's like

[01:03:45] you know too big to stop um but the reason i draw the comparison to terra 20 000 feet um is because not

[01:03:53] only do i think it's one of the best twilight zone stories um but it's just sort of that paranoia of the

[01:03:58] main character is like there's monster what's on the plane is like you gotta lay in this plane right

[01:04:03] now and nobody believes them similar to you know the character in twilight zone he's like there's a

[01:04:10] gremlin on the plane like we're all gonna die uh but there's something on the wing yeah well that's

[01:04:18] the william shatner one it's like but there was some thing on the wing actually i was quoting ace

[01:04:23] matura thank you very much oh really oh yeah very similar oh yeah because he quoted it he quoted

[01:04:30] the shatner where he's like opening and closing the thing really fast there was an snl skit of that

[01:04:37] where uh every time he opened up the shade like the gremlin was doing something so like he would open

[01:04:42] it up and he's like grilling and then he would just be like and then he like i think the last time he

[01:04:48] does it he's like having a party like drinking with some friends and then they all do the same thing

[01:04:52] they just go like it was a really funny sketch um did you guys ever watch the twilight zone movie it's

[01:05:01] it's funny how that movie is honestly scarier in some scenes than the original show uh i think i watched

[01:05:08] it once but i i really like the the old black and white stuff it's never like not like scary but it's

[01:05:14] something about just how brilliant a lot of those ideas were way back then and like i heard this topic

[01:05:19] here so many movies and things that we love from the 80s 90s even modern stuff you go back you find a

[01:05:26] twilight zone episode where it's like oh that's where they got it from yeah simpsons is guilty of that too

[01:05:31] simpsons did a lot of uh treehouse of horror episodes based on twilight zone

[01:05:38] even the on the top of that family guys done a few references to some twilight zone before

[01:05:45] um i mean it's it's such a popular series i mean it's hard not to because there was a lot of iconic

[01:05:50] moments and characters yeah yeah um going into goosebumps series 2000 there's two books that

[01:05:58] i found comparisons to one is cry the cat uh similar to pet cemetery uh more in the sense of like an

[01:06:06] pet cemetery is not all about like dead animals per se uh that story goes in a different direction

[01:06:13] um but the idea of like a monster cat that comes back to life from the dead um and takes away like

[01:06:21] the lives of others to like replenish his own uh is a pretty interesting idea but it has a lot of

[01:06:27] similarities to that of pet cemetery and then also um the haunted car is of course you can draw a lot of

[01:06:34] christine christine yeah um yeah again the original story goes in a little bit of a different direction

[01:06:41] christine um but the haunted car deals with sort of a ghost that's trying to kill its owner so it

[01:06:49] keeps like locking it in and trying to like crash him in it but there's another ghost that like saves

[01:06:55] them at the last minute um there is a malcolm in the middle episode where his car tries to like kill

[01:07:01] him in the end when he keeps trying to fix it i don't know if you remember but he gets a mustang

[01:07:07] and everyone's telling him oh you know it's taking over your life this car and he starts going insane

[01:07:12] trying to fix the car like it's almost like like a little bit of horror in that one episode it's really

[01:07:17] weird and then right at the end the doors all lock the smoke starts coming out of the car and and like

[01:07:23] he's basically like suffocating like and i i don't know if that was referencing off christine

[01:07:27] but um yeah it's weird i know it's malcolm in the middle well i know that original movie christine

[01:07:34] it is a mustang i believe but uh i don't know if anything like that happens in the movie

[01:07:39] it's a mustang and christine yeah you're right remember that oh there you go it must be

[01:07:45] like they must have been referencing christine then in that welcome in the middle episode because it

[01:07:48] literally like tries like it won't let him out of the car and like everything's like going haywire and

[01:07:53] smoke and he's like dying so yeah okay i don't know if you guys watched uh the movie trick or treat

[01:07:59] like i mentioned earlier you know my favorite howling it had a little easter egg in there too

[01:08:04] uh when the school bus scene um when they do that flashback if you look on the street there's actually

[01:08:09] christine the car there uh which is a really cool little easter egg um so they give a little love

[01:08:16] nod to some other horror movie classics that michael doherty and the team uh you know obviously had some

[01:08:23] some love for a lot of people will say that trick or treat is very goosebumps-esque um in the sense

[01:08:31] that it's an anthology i know a lot of people were telling me that they were like oh trick

[01:08:35] or treats a lot like goosebumps i'm like yeah i guess you're kind of right um um to an extent anthology

[01:08:44] might be the only place i mean don't get me wrong it has werewolves um

[01:08:50] it kind of sort of i mean it's a very loose adaptation here if you're if you're comparing

[01:08:57] here but there's a father who's a murderer uh who kills children but his son you think he's going to

[01:09:05] kill him it turns out he's training his son to be a killer too yeah so if you go with the girl who cried

[01:09:10] monster in a sense i mean turns out that the parents are you know murderers and the children

[01:09:17] eventually they're being groomed too as monsters so in a sense you can get some references from

[01:09:24] every story to a goosebumps but again this is very loose it's more in just like the basic like

[01:09:29] vibe of everything it's very twisty it's very uh you know cheesy in some of its approaches uh not

[01:09:37] you know not in reference to a specific book but just kind of like in the whole general goosebumps

[01:09:41] vibe um i can tell you one that isn't uh comparable at all i don't think you guys were talking about the

[01:09:48] faculty earlier uh there was a post on reddit that somebody was like oh girl cried monsters similar to

[01:09:54] the faculty what no no no not even close only down to the fact that if you go by the episodes maybe

[01:10:07] perfect school kind of even that one's a little that's a better comparison than the girl cried monster

[01:10:15] but uh it's more or less you know you still i feel it's more like invasion of the the body snatchers

[01:10:21] than than that though i'm gonna perfect so that is yeah um but yeah no i don't even i don't know where

[01:10:30] that comparison came from if it's literally just because the monster is a librarian not even a school

[01:10:36] librarian that's a pretty weak uh comparison right there yeah i saw one that wasn't a really good

[01:10:41] comparison either and people would just have the cover of deep trouble and jaws and was like look

[01:10:46] it's the same look they're the same cover it's the same thing because they look the same it's like no

[01:10:50] they're not the same no i mean i think i think kim jacobus took inspiration from jaws for that cover

[01:10:58] but that doesn't mean that the book itself is similar yeah like the kids swimming and the shark coming

[01:11:03] out their difference now it's a hammerhead really i was gonna say i don't know it's not a great white

[01:11:08] man it's a hammerhead i don't see what you're talking about bro another one that i don't necessarily

[01:11:16] agree with is uh the comparison of one day at horrorland with hellfest only thing somewhere between those

[01:11:23] two is that there's a carnival or a theme park that's it um that's really it i haven't seen like

[01:11:32] best though is it a good movie monsters oh yeah i love hellfest i think it was unique for for what it

[01:11:38] was uh the ending i thought was really um really good because it it gave you like the sense anybody

[01:11:48] who you know your next door neighbor could be this guy because they never show you the killer's face

[01:11:53] which is really cool he's always wearing a mask um and just the ending i'm not gonna spoil it for

[01:11:59] anybody who hasn't seen it like isaiah who needs to go see it but i think it was a a great film

[01:12:07] oh cody did you check that one out i did i don't remember too much about it there was like two or

[01:12:11] three movies within about eight months they were kind of that same concept there was like a killer

[01:12:16] at some kind of a fair or a festival or a theme park and my brain crosses the wires on which ones i

[01:12:22] actually remember but uh i remember hellfest being pretty decent and then uh one last one that i

[01:12:29] didn't agree with the comparison of no not chicken chicken it's gonna be a movie that that contested

[01:12:36] salty i don't know man i if there is i don't want to watch it if there is keep it 10 feet away from me

[01:12:47] frank and turkey no uh it's attacking the mutant and bright burn now that one's probably the closest

[01:12:55] of these three i don't agree with but really only like again surface level bright burn is basically

[01:13:01] what if superman was essentially what if superman was evil and murderous in this in in more specifics

[01:13:10] he came from more of a warrior planet uh you know the the instinct is to kill and conquer um done in

[01:13:19] more of like a slasher type sort of thing it wasn't it was an okay movie in my opinion it wasn't anything

[01:13:25] spectacular um but attack of the mutant is not similar because it's a super villain and it's very comic

[01:13:31] book-esque uh in its approach um but uh i don't really find those uh and those past three uh similar at all

[01:13:41] uh which again i mean there's a difference between legitimate plot uh beats and just being like oh

[01:13:48] that has superheroes that must be similar to that movie much like uh the camp stories camp nightmare

[01:13:55] camp cold lake a lot of people were being like oh those are like friday the 13th like no just because

[01:14:00] they take there's a lake yeah just because yeah the camp it's a camp and a lake it must be that one

[01:14:07] or sleep away go it's like no guys just because it's at a camp does not mean they're similar

[01:14:15] but um i mean i guess with camp cold lake it does feature somebody who who died by drowning um but that's

[01:14:23] like literally it so yeah but uh cody i mean we've gone down this list uh do do you have any comparisons

[01:14:31] that you could find uh we ended up taking all the ones so you uh you did more homework than i did

[01:14:39] i had about five or six here i was like i see that okay and i was refreshing my memory in the stories

[01:14:43] and then slowly but surely we ended up going through all of them yeah well and that's the thing too it's

[01:14:49] like you know there there's way more goosebumps books but it's harder to find like like even

[01:14:56] of course direct comparisons but some of them are pretty unique uh in some aspects so um i mean like

[01:15:03] i said going through all these movies um there's a lot of them that share similar concepts a lot of

[01:15:10] them came after and some of them came before um but it's really interesting to go through them

[01:15:15] but uh the scarecrow the scarecrow is there a movie called messages no it's not called messengers

[01:15:24] i'm not sure i'm called the messengers or something with i think no i know norman reedus was on the

[01:15:28] sequel uh oh god it's a film about a scarecrow pretty sure i know before we started recording you

[01:15:37] were saying that scarecrow walks in midnight was kind of somewhere to jeepers creepers 2 specifically

[01:15:42] this there's like there's like shots that look similar like similarities he's always on the

[01:15:47] he's always in the cornfields like you know and he's always like standing up on the pole

[01:15:51] like that scene where like the kids putting up the scarecrow's in the second one and he's standing

[01:15:56] on the pole that just looked very similar to some of the shots from the episode where like

[01:16:03] you know the kids were just walking around and they saw them up on the

[01:16:05] all those like oh that gives me jeep you sure uh sure you sure you're on the same movie when you

[01:16:11] keep talking about the the creeper on a pole i mean it just makes me you know think you you

[01:16:17] might have downloaded the wrong film there guy

[01:16:23] what would you even call that yeah actually don't tell me i don't want to know that's got norman

[01:16:30] readers um and it's yeah it's literally about scarecrows so i know it's got a very similar

[01:16:35] kind of a plot to um sort of similar scarecrows midnight but i guess it's really about scarecrows

[01:16:44] in a cornfield so i'm like well that's probably the nearest thing i can think of message i guess

[01:16:49] you could kind of say that revenge of the lawn gnomes is a lot is a little bit like gremlins um

[01:16:55] just kind of down to like the mischievous angle of like these lawn gnomes that you know cause trouble

[01:17:00] in that sort of thing it's very gremlin-esque uh in a way and the fact that there's so many of them

[01:17:05] in the book in the episode there's just two oh actually no there's four but two of them come out

[01:17:10] of nowhere they just appear and they're never acknowledged or anything like that um but the

[01:17:16] book definitely has a lot more of like the mischievous angle despite the title they're not

[01:17:20] getting revenge on anyone they're just doing it because it's fun so um but it's kind of like that

[01:17:27] where the snowman could be like jack frost no no that was oh god that movie are you talking

[01:17:33] about are you talking about you know the actual horror film are you talking about the

[01:17:37] the michael keaton the actual snowman like you know yeah so you're so

[01:17:44] the michael keaton one aka the scarier one best prank is to walk into blockbuster and then switch

[01:17:52] the tapes honestly i'd be relieved to watch the the killer one if i was thinking until you hear

[01:18:00] your child screaming in the other room yeah oh god michael keaton no honestly the thing is that movie

[01:18:09] the horror movie was jack frost could have been scarier if they made it look like the michael keaton

[01:18:14] one oh definitely um cody so you know you're you're a horror fan yourself uh how familiar are you with

[01:18:25] like the goosebumps uh franchise uh i watched a lot of the show when i was a kid and i'm sure i

[01:18:32] probably read a book at some point but i've just never really been much of a reader uh i think

[01:18:36] something about teachers forcing you to read books you had no interest in kind of like killed it for me

[01:18:41] so i would read uh i would read a little bit of goosebumps i would read um there was a series

[01:18:47] i don't remember like the overall title of it but every title was like a ghoul scoops ice cream or a

[01:18:54] knight makes pizza that was something like that they kind of had a little bit of a goosebumps aesthetic

[01:18:59] to it so i would read those like kids horror type things and that was about all i would read

[01:19:04] uh but i loved i had vhs tapes for pretty much all the ones that they had released like haunted mask

[01:19:10] and werewolf fever swamp and uh night of terror tower uh haunted mask 2 i remember when that came

[01:19:18] out i was like there's a sequel and i freaked out um eventually there was like they quit doing the

[01:19:24] clamshell vhs which was the big ones that i always had and they started just doing the little paper sleeve

[01:19:29] ones and that's where i had the night of living dummy 3 and the one where the kids are being turned

[01:19:34] old by their their aunt or their grandma um so most of my experience with it is with the uh the live

[01:19:41] action adaptations did you so uh so you grew up with the vhs tapes uh what what would you say was like

[01:19:49] your favorite among them the haunted mask easily and it's not even close that was the one that i like

[01:19:54] i like the second one and uh there i liked all of them there was always something i would go back to

[01:19:59] but the haunted mask if i watched any of the other ones once i've watched the haunted mask 10 times in

[01:20:07] between so that was always my favorite i mean we've talked about it ad nauseam ourselves but

[01:20:14] but um but yeah i mean we consider well but bjorn actually has two episodes on his list higher than it

[01:20:22] but um but i know me and nick definitely consider the haunted mask to be the best episode as well as a

[01:20:27] lot of people it was an episode that was unlike anything else in the goosebumps uh tv show and

[01:20:34] franchise even the sequel wasn't really on the same level um because it was it was purely it was

[01:20:41] mainly psychological it was a great character study um you had a very sympathetic main character in it

[01:20:48] and it actually was a lot more emotional um than many other goosebumps stories goosebumps as a whole is

[01:20:55] very you know spooky sort of fun turn your brain off sort of stuff for the most part

[01:21:00] haunted mask is one that definitely like kind of tugs on the heartstrings a little bit because you have a

[01:21:05] very sympathetic character who just just wants to be accepted yeah and uh she goes she she feels like

[01:21:12] she has to go to this drastic extreme in order to get what she wants but you know once it's near too

[01:21:18] late figures out that it's like it's not what she wants and it's corrupting her at the same time um

[01:21:25] funny enough we actually uh we we've got to talk to many guests on the here on the podcast uh who've

[01:21:31] been involved with the tv show and we actually did an interview with uh the actress of carly beth oh

[01:21:37] okay one of our past episodes and she was super nice but um one thing i'll never forget is uh and chuck

[01:21:43] i uh and chuck yeah and uh we actually will be uh talking to uh the main actress of sue in night

[01:21:51] and terror tower uh one of the main characters but um sabrina one thing i will never forget is uh when i

[01:21:58] was explaining sort of like the the deeper aspects of the haunted mask and she was with us and when i when

[01:22:04] i finished she was like wow i never thought of it like that you know i was just in here i was just

[01:22:10] in here you know doing this job but um but that really is it i mean i've seen many a video essay on

[01:22:18] this episode uh more than any other goosebumps episode before but uh those specific ones that were on vhs are

[01:22:27] definitely among some of the best i know uh we talked about dead house uh that's a really good atmospheric

[01:22:32] one living dummy three uh i honestly think is the best slappy episode it's one it's at least my

[01:22:38] personal favorite i like that one it's a really fun one it's like the way it goes is like not only

[01:22:45] three is like it's a bigger production but like not only doing two was just spookier like creepier

[01:22:52] like more like even just the shots where like she threw him in the trunk and the music and just pan

[01:22:58] straight into his face like real abrupt and the pov shots like i just think that was more spooky um and

[01:23:05] three just i love three but it just annoys me when it goes from dummy to person dummy to person constantly

[01:23:11] and i just so obviously like and like as a kid i didn't notice it um at all but in two it's just the

[01:23:19] puppet the whole time and um you know even just the scene where she throws him down and into the sewer

[01:23:25] and then like he's just standing at the foot of a bed you know like those little things just creep

[01:23:30] me out a lot as a kid the guitar smashing like i don't know i used to find that one just creepy

[01:23:37] you know because season one of goosebumps they were trying to make it more creepy

[01:23:40] and then season two we started going more down the you know creepy but you know yeah i know yeah

[01:23:48] exactly um so i always found it like and the music was creepier too well and for context yeah you know

[01:23:56] when he was saying dummy to person uh there's a lot of scenes i don't know if you noticed it or not cody

[01:24:02] but there's a lot of scenes in living dummy three where it's very clearly a person in a costume oh yeah

[01:24:08] especially when they're having to move and you'll just you'll see that it's it's quite different they

[01:24:12] they don't really hide it that well it's in the right place you get like a ninja turtles thing and

[01:24:18] the mouth is open on them but you see the mouth of the person inside too it's like

[01:24:23] i i rank goosebumps episodes when i rank them in terms of what creeped me out as a kid like genuinely

[01:24:29] spooked me and like welcome to dead house was fucking scary like i don't even know how that was

[01:24:34] considered a kid's thing you know like there was some scenes in that where it was just like

[01:24:39] straight out creepy oh and if you go off the book it could have been more intense

[01:24:44] yeah like i don't know there's just certain things that were just scary like like horn and mask was

[01:24:49] like best like like story episode you know what i mean like character driven stories performances

[01:24:56] even too like katherine long as carly beth was i think she won an award for that you know like

[01:25:02] but i always i always ranked the episodes in order of what just freaked the shit out of me as a kid

[01:25:08] and like welcome dead house spooked me um camp nightmare didn't really scare me but i don't know

[01:25:14] what it is i just love summer camp you know my favorite book is horror camp jelly jam which is a camp

[01:25:19] related one they never made that into an episode but they did camp might net um so that's kind of

[01:25:24] like why that one just ranks so high but yeah i i go by the ones that freak me out like spooky

[01:25:32] absolutely have you guys ever seen um those like mock-up goosebumps covers where they take like

[01:25:38] a picture from a horror movie and they put it in like a goosebumps book uh so like they'll put they'll

[01:25:46] take like a picture from like friday the 13th and it's like a night at camp blood or something like

[01:25:51] that i always thought those were pretty funny see a lot of those with like t-shirts like little mashups

[01:26:00] definitely yeah there's been a few t-shirt companies that do stuff like that even with

[01:26:05] um there was one that uh i think cavity colors actually was the one that did it both times maybe

[01:26:11] right rags i can't remember which one but one of them did like the movie trick or treat but it was

[01:26:17] the haunted mass 2 cover but it just had sam on the porch you could definitely tell it was meant to be

[01:26:22] a reference to that and then there was a another one that was a halloween four shirt that had

[01:26:27] jamie lloyd and the clown costume on it on a goosebumps book cover so there's been a few out

[01:26:34] there that have actually made it to product stage rather than just even an image on the internet but

[01:26:39] i've seen quite a few uh images on the internet terrifier seems to be the one that has been popular

[01:26:45] lately for some reason probably because of the third one uh coming up yeah but i mean the terrifier

[01:26:52] movies in themselves are like really really really cheesy movies so it's like even though it's super

[01:27:00] gory violent stuff uh honestly i have not seen those movies yet because of what i have seen

[01:27:06] i feel like i would be way too sick to my stomach i know people that swear by them my good friend logan

[01:27:12] that's his favorite thing in the world it's terrifying like that is his when we went to the book fest he

[01:27:17] was just like we went to the comic section with the collectibles he was just like i'm here for

[01:27:21] terrifying stuff i don't care about anything else like that was it and i'm just like whoa so i

[01:27:25] finally watched them and fuck like i i enjoyed them they're great um they are they're disgusting

[01:27:35] yeah like they're in terms of just but as you watch the original one the art was in of all how's eve

[01:27:44] yeah it wasn't all that great no i wasn't a big fan of that i'm not really a big fan of anthologies

[01:27:50] trick-or-treats like one of the few exam the few examples of ones that i do like but uh yeah i

[01:27:55] watched the al hollows eve and i don't even i remember nothing about the segments that didn't

[01:28:00] have art and then the segment that did have heart uh have art um let's just say there's a reason

[01:28:07] they're recasted them for the movies and uh yeah it went a little more concept so it was uh yeah i

[01:28:13] wasn't a big one big fan of that one yeah yeah no david howard thornton did a much better job

[01:28:18] in that role uh very glad they recast him because i think that's where a lot of that popularity for

[01:28:24] that franchise comes from is his portrayal and more of the crown clown more than anything because

[01:28:28] again it's it's very gory um honestly like i don't think there was really a story per se in

[01:28:36] that first terrifier movie it was just it was crazy those things the second one kind of gave you more of

[01:28:44] a story though and uh it looks like they're going to continue that in the third one so yeah but i

[01:28:50] like two more i think she was better well and it's it's so like it's so rare now that we get like

[01:28:58] new horror icons like i don't think i've ever seen a horror character rise to popularity among like you

[01:29:05] know the the pre-established ones like the the freddies and jasons like as much as art the clown

[01:29:10] like it was almost like overnight that this character just caught on and it's so

[01:29:16] uncommon to see that nowadays in horror which i think goosebumps died in the 90s it was overnight

[01:29:22] what i was told yeah it was harry potter came in and she's like goodbye

[01:29:30] we talked about before with scholastic and stein and all that stuff was killing it harry potter was

[01:29:36] just there at the right time to swoop in and pick up the slack that goosebumps left and then

[01:29:42] never looked back it's crazy i'm curious uh cody have you watched the goosebumps some movies by chance

[01:29:49] uh i watched the one with jack black i did not watch the other one um i me and my kids and my

[01:29:56] wife went to go see it in theaters and we we had a really good time with it it was enough of an homage

[01:30:01] for me and it was enough of its own fun little thing for them so i i dug that one quite a bit and

[01:30:07] i started watching the uh the series with justin long and i never ended up going back to it um but

[01:30:14] i thought that it was interesting i don't know if i watched one or two episodes it was like an

[01:30:19] interesting little modernization that they were doing there but for some reason i kind of fell off of

[01:30:23] it yeah it's understandable we we've talked about the 2023 series enough to at this point i've heard our

[01:30:30] audience is pretty sick of us talking about it but um i mean we we had our reservations with the show

[01:30:37] i personally uh i thought it was meh uh it it did feel like it was going somewhere at first because

[01:30:44] like you said the modernizations of the classic books but it honestly dropped it pretty quickly

[01:30:50] um and by the time you got halfway through the season uh it was on it was on the continuing story

[01:30:57] outright um and then it had a decent conclusion in episode eight and then you had two more episodes

[01:31:03] for the season which felt like a super elongated uh epilogue that kind of derailed everything but

[01:31:10] the movies are um yeah the the the movies are fun i would recommend uh if you're into like some if

[01:31:19] you're really in the mood for like something schlocky and corny and campy the second one's pretty fun

[01:31:25] it's not exactly like the first one but there's some elements but uh there's a lot more emphasis on

[01:31:30] uh slappy as the main antagonist um it has a little fun with the concept of halloween decorations coming to

[01:31:37] life that's kind of the crux of it um it's a little it does try to be a little more scary uh than the

[01:31:45] first one whether or not it's more like he is in the book in the second one like this seems like he

[01:31:51] literally oh well i don't want to spoil it but there are some scenes in this one that are like

[01:31:56] straight out of a night of the living dummy book um in the first one he's more just like oh screw you

[01:32:01] stein i hate you like i'm gonna get you back the second one was like no he's doing straight up things

[01:32:08] that are like you know pretty twisted and evil well he's creepy because he's trying to like be a part of

[01:32:14] the main character's family but it's like it's a really weird sort of attachment sort of thing and

[01:32:20] then when he gets rejected he's just kind of like all right i'll take this family by force uh and i'll

[01:32:26] create this army and then he turns the mom into a ventriloquist dummy uh in a really interesting effect

[01:32:33] so even that it's another book thing mm-hmm so he did it it's a really it's an interesting movie it's not

[01:32:41] like it's not grade a cinema or anything but neither was the first one the first one was fun i remember

[01:32:47] going to see it uh on opening day and i was super super stoked um this one felt bigger though like

[01:32:53] it was bigger well it had more it had the first one i think had a more publicity it had a better budget

[01:33:01] and well that's why i said it probably had a better budget because you know that jack black the whole

[01:33:06] time whereas the second one it was just a cameo appearance basically um but i think like we talked

[01:33:12] about a lot of that was due to house with a clock in its walls which is another great film in my

[01:33:16] opinion that he did um but yeah the first one definitely felt more cinematic whereas the second

[01:33:22] one did feel more like a goosebumps episode rather than a movie that makes any sense yeah i guess just with

[01:33:30] how they shot everything yeah well yeah i mean it was bad i mean i'd recommend it still i mean it's

[01:33:35] it's still a fun one around halloween time especially mm-hmm absolutely well that's gonna

[01:33:42] do it for uh tonight's episode of the goosebumps crew podcast uh cody i want to thank you for coming

[01:33:46] on and talking with us uh it was a really good time and we thank you for joining us yeah thank you

[01:33:51] for inviting me absolutely uh where can our audience find you on uh social media so the main place to

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[01:34:03] pretty much everywhere else i've tried to have my name branded as cody leach yt so whether it's

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