Who Are You Calling Dummy? (ft. Avery Jones)

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[00:01:00] Greetings Goosebumps fans, young and old, being in small.

[00:01:06] Welcome back to the Goosebumps Crew Podcast.

[00:01:08] As always, I'm your host, Isaiah Vargas, also known as The Goosebumps Channel on YouTube,

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[00:01:13] And as always, I'm joined by the rest of my Goosebumps Crew, Goosebumps Osteofan,

[00:01:17] Bjorn Panlix, Shawen, Nick Shaw, and the ultimate Goosebumps man, Michael Ilykwis.

[00:01:21] So we're back, of course, to talk some more Goosebumps.

[00:01:24] And today's going to be a very exciting episode because if you guys have been following the

[00:01:29] podcast, last two episodes, we've been talking a lot about The Goosebumps 90s show.

[00:01:34] But we got to give some love to the Goosebumps movies a little more.

[00:01:36] So today we're very excited because we have the puppeteer, the main puppeteer for Slapy

[00:01:42] and Goosebumps 1 and 2 and everything in between Avery Jones joining us today to

[00:01:47] talk about his experience.

[00:01:48] Avery, welcome to The Goosebumps Crew.

[00:01:50] Thank you for joining us.

[00:01:51] I'm happy to be here.

[00:01:52] It's actually a very convenient day.

[00:01:56] Ten years ago today, I flew to Detroit to work with the puppet builders to mechanize the

[00:02:04] Slapy puppet before we started shooting.

[00:02:06] So on to the date, ten years ago, I was just getting started in all of this and

[00:02:12] had no idea what was coming.

[00:02:14] Oh, and what came was pretty big.

[00:02:17] Oh, and money.

[00:02:18] Yes.

[00:02:19] Ten years already?

[00:02:20] I remember seeing the trailers in the movie theater.

[00:02:24] It feels like just yesterday.

[00:02:25] Yeah.

[00:02:26] It's already been almost 10 years.

[00:02:27] Dude, like nothing more exciting than that.

[00:02:31] There was nothing more exciting than the hype surrounding that movie and the trailers

[00:02:36] that I remember sitting there with my family.

[00:02:38] And it's funny, we were actually seeing Star Wars, The Force Awakens when they showed

[00:02:43] the trailer before it.

[00:02:44] And all my family just because my entire family was in the same row as me and

[00:02:49] they all kind of just turned and looked at me as soon as like the Goosebumps trailer

[00:02:51] popped up.

[00:02:52] They're like, that was my family with me too.

[00:02:56] Because I saw it before Minions, I think.

[00:02:59] Yep, same.

[00:03:00] And yep, my whole family just.

[00:03:02] And I'm like, I was like, yep, yep, yep.

[00:03:08] He's peeking out now.

[00:03:10] He's tweaking.

[00:03:11] Yeah, no, it was great.

[00:03:14] And we're definitely going to talk about the Goosebumps movies.

[00:03:18] And of course, like just the hype surrounding it because that was just so big at the time.

[00:03:23] But before we get into all that, if you guys are not following the Goosebumps Crew podcast,

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[00:03:40] and we talk about Goosebumps topics, whether it be books, movies, TV shows, all the

[00:03:43] time.

[00:03:44] But we also have some incredible guests like Avery Jones here tonight, but we've also had

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[00:04:03] All right, so let's talk about the first Goosebumps.

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[00:04:13] No, and we're going to talk about that hype surrounding that Goosebumps movie because everybody

[00:04:20] was talking about, and we've talked about this before on the podcast, but there was

[00:04:25] plans for a Goosebumps movie as far back as like 1997.

[00:04:30] And there were so many different concepts, many of which I wish we could have gotten,

[00:04:36] including a Welcome to Dead House adaptation that would have been directed by George

[00:04:40] Romero, the master of zombie movies.

[00:04:44] Man, why didn't we get that?

[00:04:48] That would have been so cool.

[00:04:49] It's only one of some dreams.

[00:04:51] There was also another plan for one directed by, I am blanking on his name, Tim Burton.

[00:05:01] My brain was switching to Tim Jacobus for a second, but no, it was Tim Burton

[00:05:05] who was going to direct a Goosebumps movie in 98, I believe.

[00:05:10] Unfortunately, because Goosebumps sales were declining at the time.

[00:05:14] It was the tail end of the 2000s and Harry Potter was brand new.

[00:05:18] So that was kind of taking over Goosebumps role as like...

[00:05:22] Do we know what that script was?

[00:05:24] Do we know what his script, what his story was going to be?

[00:05:27] Do we know what Tim Burton that might have been?

[00:05:29] I'm not certain because I think one of the biggest issues was they were trying

[00:05:35] to figure out, well how do we do a Goosebumps movie?

[00:05:39] Because do we do an adaptation of one of the books or multiple books?

[00:05:43] Do we make an original story?

[00:05:44] And it was harder too because you also had the TV series because that was already doing

[00:05:49] the adaptations of singular books.

[00:05:52] So that was kind of a mystery of what they were going to do.

[00:05:55] The only one that we know about specifically what a plot was going to be was the George

[00:06:00] Romero one.

[00:06:02] We never saw any of these.

[00:06:04] I like Marl's idea of using the Haunted Mask though as its own movie.

[00:06:08] That was the one he said if you could pick any to make a movie about it would be the Haunted Mask.

[00:06:13] Not a bad pick.

[00:06:16] Not a bad pick at all.

[00:06:17] But unfortunately we didn't see any of those movies.

[00:06:19] We went years and years without a Goosebumps movie and I think it wasn't until almost

[00:06:25] 20 years after the beginning of the Goosebumps books that we started hearing news about

[00:06:31] the possible Goosebumps movie because Columbia got the rights for a film adaptation.

[00:06:37] And I think they got all the rights because the news show is also by Sony.

[00:06:42] So they got the rights to do a Goosebumps movie.

[00:06:45] And it was about 2013 that we started to hear hints about Goosebumps movies coming

[00:06:51] out.

[00:06:52] It's in pre-production.

[00:06:53] They're meeting with all these people and then eventually we found out that the

[00:06:58] main star was going to be Jack Black.

[00:07:01] And I remember little 12-year-old me was like Jack Black in Goosebumps?

[00:07:08] It was a little weird.

[00:07:10] I mean I knew this guy from Nacho Libre in Kung Fu Panda and he was like this is going

[00:07:16] to be the guy who's in the Goosebumps movie.

[00:07:18] I knew him from Tenacious D so.

[00:07:21] I remember it was on the other side.

[00:07:24] No, it was more like that.

[00:07:26] That was interesting.

[00:07:28] But yeah and then news came out and I think the first time I saw it was when it came to

[00:07:34] Comic Con.

[00:07:36] Comic Con 2014 was the first official reveal of the Goosebumps movie.

[00:07:42] You had Jack Black, you had director Rob Letterman and Avery you were there because

[00:07:47] you were doing a slappy's ever-appearance in terms of the movie.

[00:07:52] The most terrifying moment of my life.

[00:07:54] Yes.

[00:07:55] The most terrifying moment of my life.

[00:07:57] I did find on your channel today the teaser from that Comic Con.

[00:08:04] I've not seen that since I was there and under the table and upside down and trying to watch

[00:08:09] it so I was so thrilled that somewhere archived in the world.

[00:08:14] Yep, absolutely.

[00:08:15] Whichever one of you guys is behind that I appreciate that very much.

[00:08:20] Awesome.

[00:08:21] I don't know how I came across it.

[00:08:22] I think it was uploaded by someone on Vimeo and it was like, it was just such a mysterious

[00:08:28] video and it was marked as like 2014 Comic Con trailer and I was like no way.

[00:08:35] And I opened it and it was a Comic Con trailer because that was secretive.

[00:08:41] They did not release that publicly.

[00:08:43] I think somebody behind the scenes probably archived it somewhere and then somebody

[00:08:47] re-uploaded it.

[00:08:49] That first teaser was interesting because it had a, I remember when I first saw it instead

[00:08:57] of like the purple and orange text that they used for the trailers it was green and black

[00:09:05] so it was much more goosebump colors.

[00:09:08] And they even had references to certain goosebump books like Go Eat Worms.

[00:09:12] I think they had like Go Eat Worms on the shelf and then the worms were coming

[00:09:15] out of it and they had like Monster Blood and Monster Blood was seeping out.

[00:09:20] It was very faithful to the books and it had Jack Black doing his thing and I mean I could

[00:09:26] imagine that everybody seeing that trailer was just like, whoa.

[00:09:31] Man, man.

[00:09:35] I remember like messaging a hundred different people like after I heard they revealed footage

[00:09:40] and I was like, were you there?

[00:09:42] Were you there?

[00:09:43] Were you there?

[00:09:44] Does anyone take just a singular still photo that I can see?

[00:09:47] Like because yeah it was just obviously we wanted a little taste of it right?

[00:09:51] The ones that couldn't see it.

[00:09:53] So we were just going crazy messaging people and then one girl actually did message me

[00:09:58] and she said she entered some competition on that day and she won like a t-shirt

[00:10:02] and I was like, oh damn.

[00:10:04] I was like, so she kind of gave me details of the trailer what she saw but like

[00:10:07] obviously she didn't have footage or anything but I kind of had an idea of what was going

[00:10:12] on from what she told me.

[00:10:14] So yeah, I had like a little one little insight person and that was it.

[00:10:18] Well, for a little more insight, I had just wrapped the day before there was no there

[00:10:26] wasn't a big turnaround on that.

[00:10:28] That was kind of a last minute.

[00:10:30] They were the whole back half of production they were like we could do Comic Con are

[00:10:35] we going to go to Comic Con?

[00:10:37] And so they asked me very, very late and then the last day of shooting was all

[00:10:41] slappy on green screen.

[00:10:43] And so afterwards they're like okay we'll see you tomorrow and handed me a itinerary

[00:10:47] and I was off to Comic Con and had no idea what I was expected of me or anything like

[00:10:57] that.

[00:10:58] So I that whole trip is a whirlwind.

[00:11:01] I don't have pictures.

[00:11:02] I don't have anything because it was all just kind of like right out of the gate.

[00:11:07] We're done at the movie right into this and then it was nothing and then it completely

[00:11:10] stopped for me for a year because they've got to edit and stuff.

[00:11:14] So everything you see in that trailer is fresh because the the effects aren't done

[00:11:21] that some of the lines are different.

[00:11:23] There's there's a lot of stuff that got polished later but that was a very, very quick

[00:11:30] trip for me and my first introduction into what Goosebumps was because I didn't grow up

[00:11:38] with the books full disclosure.

[00:11:41] So I was not a a a Goosebumps kid so this was all I knew who slappy was obviously there's

[00:11:50] that there's a list of famous puppets in the world that everybody knows and that's

[00:11:53] one of them.

[00:11:55] And yeah that I also didn't watch a Jack Black movie until I got cast so I was completely out

[00:12:03] of my head.

[00:12:04] I was going in completely blind.

[00:12:07] So yeah we very quickly watched School of Rock and all those things because I was cast

[00:12:13] because I didn't know what I was going on.

[00:12:17] And so yeah that was that was a very very exciting day and it's demonstrated to me the puppeteer

[00:12:25] lifestyle which is people will love you when the puppets around and have no idea who you

[00:12:30] are when the puppet's gone.

[00:12:32] So I walked out of that panel with slappy and there are all these people wanted pictures

[00:12:36] and selfies and things and all of that and I walked 12 feet to a room and put

[00:12:39] them down and came out and nobody paid me any attention because who's that guy?

[00:12:44] It was like who are you pick up slappy again.

[00:12:47] I was like oh slappy me.

[00:12:52] Yeah that was such a huge production too.

[00:12:54] They brought the 12 monsters from set and their coordinating makeup artist it was a

[00:13:00] huge team of people that jumped on that on that project it was really really cool.

[00:13:07] And that Comic Con reveal was the first time not only Jack Black and Rob Letterman really

[00:13:12] came out and publicly said we're part of this and then of course slappy made his first appearance

[00:13:18] but they revealed like many of the monsters in the movie at that panel and that was incredible

[00:13:24] because for a Goosebumps fan I mean you could tell what each monster what book they

[00:13:31] came from and that was the great thing about this movie is that even though many of them

[00:13:37] weren't exactly like the books they certainly tried to make sure every character was in some

[00:13:42] way related to a Goosebumps book that existed.

[00:13:46] And so you had not even just the old ones I mean you had like Murder the Clown who

[00:13:52] is only recently introduced in the series and you even had like really really really

[00:13:57] really deep cuts like I think Cronby the troll from the Jungle of Doom like that's like

[00:14:04] Professor Shock.

[00:14:05] Professor Shock a lot of the give yourself these problems are ones you probably wouldn't

[00:14:10] know.

[00:14:11] But man like I distinctly remember like from that exact like Comic Con panel as slappy

[00:14:19] was introducing the monsters they all got like a different level of cheer depending on

[00:14:24] what the monster was and what people knew.

[00:14:26] You remember that and then like the Hone and Mask it was like you could just hear like everyone

[00:14:31] went crazy for that one like certain ones like we're getting a lot of cheer like depending

[00:14:35] on what the monster was like you know and I thought that was really interesting.

[00:14:38] I was like yeah that would have been me like depending on like the slappy I would have

[00:14:41] been cheering the loudest obviously but you know I thought that was really really cool

[00:14:46] like when you go back and actually watch it it's really interesting.

[00:14:49] I think I think I build that one up a little more because that was why I knew

[00:14:53] everybody was going to be excited about.

[00:14:57] What was a great bit too because it basically was Jack was like OK now I'm going to do

[00:15:03] ventriloquism and he pulled out the slappy dummy but everyone did know that

[00:15:11] he was not actually puppeteering it was you and you know he's doing the whole

[00:15:15] thing he's like well how are you doing slappy and he's like drinking the water

[00:15:20] and stuff and then the amazing when he's like well really it's like that's what I

[00:15:26] was going to say it was like you almost like you're reading my mind and just

[00:15:30] like slappy I'm in control of you.

[00:15:34] He pulls his hand out from the back.

[00:15:37] Yeah like that was a great reveal and I mean you just did a fantastic job

[00:15:42] of whenever slappy had to make a public appearance and because you had not

[00:15:48] only the puppeteering down but you had the voice down and you could just make

[00:15:54] him come to life and so at that panel he's like arguing with Jack he's

[00:15:59] introducing all the monsters and a really good sense of humor too because I

[00:16:04] just it was so like ladies and gentlemen of Comic Con Jack Black other guys.

[00:16:12] My favorite line is when you were doing the when he was like talking about

[00:16:18] R.L. Stein he's like you're you're not R.L. Stein you're Jack Black you're the

[00:16:22] Kung Fu Panda guy.

[00:16:26] So none of that was written they brought in a script they were gonna try to

[00:16:29] write something the writers for the movie were gonna try to write something

[00:16:32] for us but we just like ripped out some stuff at lunch one day and we had

[00:16:38] that so there's I would love to do things like that again it was so much fun

[00:16:45] when I didn't have to read things because that's where you can get a little

[00:16:51] a little stiff wooden if you will.

[00:16:55] A little wooden yeah you beat me too.

[00:16:58] Let's hope they do a yeah let's hope they do a good response movie.

[00:17:02] But I'll be very cool.

[00:17:05] Oh and especially when because they're like take them take them outside take

[00:17:11] them to my car and they drag Jack out and then he's the stop he's just

[00:17:16] sitting there with the with Rob and the other guys and they're just like

[00:17:19] so Rob I got a couple script ideas for you.

[00:17:23] It's like are you sure you don't want to hear of it's like a couple it's it's so

[00:17:28] cool when especially during the like promotional run how Slapy was almost

[00:17:34] kind of treated like he was an actor in the movie so you would just get him

[00:17:39] right yeah doing interviews with Jack and they would just be sitting together

[00:17:43] it's not like it's just Jack and then Slapy's just sitting there and they're

[00:17:49] asking them both questions and I just remember there was one where it was

[00:17:53] like yeah it was Jack and Slapy together and it's you doing Slapy but you're

[00:18:00] treating it like he's you know it's just him right and they're just asking them

[00:18:06] questions I think they ask them like Slapy like what monster would you like

[00:18:11] do you have any crushes on any of the monsters and he's like the Haunted

[00:18:14] Mask and Jack's like yeah you know we got a we got a thing going don't

[00:18:22] around yeah have you seen the set photo there's a picture of the actress that

[00:18:30] played the Haunted Mask like Peck and Slapy on the cheek on set one that goes

[00:18:35] around they're like this is the movie we could have had

[00:18:39] do it like a romantic comedy that's out there oh I know I know

[00:18:49] somewhere in the world and the dark recesses of the internet now what would

[00:18:56] you call that if you shipped it will be like happy or happy happy happy happy

[00:19:03] earlier we mentioned before the show started that during like the I would

[00:19:10] say post-production of the movie leading up to release because you have

[00:19:14] your own YouTube channel it was a inside my brain comedy on YouTube if you

[00:19:20] cannot subscribe go subscribe and for a while you were doing these vlogs and did

[00:19:27] you subscribe to your own channel yep making sure you're subscribed making

[00:19:33] sure people are subscribing so I can better do it no but you did these

[00:19:39] vlogs and it would just be like okay so this is day whatever we're going to shoot

[00:19:45] this now and it would be anything like a social media spot or making an

[00:19:50] appearance on a TV show and those were really cool because we got to see into

[00:19:56] the into your experience working on that project and it was I mean you were

[00:20:02] doing a lot there was a lot of like Slapy appearances on TV and radio and

[00:20:08] social media I we talked about in the past one of them that we really liked

[00:20:14] was when you're on it wasn't the Neil Patrick Harris show or something like

[00:20:18] that yeah it's called best time ever yeah yeah and it was Jack was there like up

[00:20:24] in the rafters or whatever and he was just kind of doing his thing and then

[00:20:28] all of a sudden like Slapy comes out and he's like Jack are you not gonna

[00:20:32] tell him about our new movie goosebumps and both Jack Black and Neil

[00:20:37] Patrick Harris both faint they're like that was great that was great that was I

[00:20:53] was incredible experience yeah just getting to be alongside Jack and Neil

[00:21:00] Patrick Harris yeah and we shot that was shot at Kauffman Astoria Studios in

[00:21:09] Queens in New York which is where Sesame Street films so I was in one of the

[00:21:14] Sesame Street puppeteers dressing rooms that I you know as a nerd I know these

[00:21:19] things and so I'm sitting in you know Big Bird's dressing room waiting for

[00:21:23] this live show thing that I have two lines on and the B 52s are next door in

[00:21:31] the next dressing room and like why am I down the hall for Jack Black and next

[00:21:39] to next to the B 52s so that was that was really really cool that was and I

[00:21:45] got to spend the whole day with Jack I was supposed to be doing stuff on my

[00:21:48] own and he was doing press on his own but we combined and he like took me

[00:21:53] out to lunch and stuff beforehand it was really really really cool day that is

[00:21:56] really cool Neil Patrick Harris yeah and honestly well while we're at it

[00:22:02] let's talk about because you got to work alongside obviously alongside Jack

[00:22:07] Black for most of this movie you know you're paying one of the main

[00:22:12] antagonists and he's the main protagonist and I'm assuming you guys

[00:22:17] got to hang out quite a bit so what was it like getting to work with Jack

[00:22:20] Black so again I didn't really know him as well as you guys seem to have known

[00:22:29] him at the time so there wasn't that terror in me like oh no it's the guy

[00:22:34] from blah blah blah so obviously I I know he's famous and I just saw him in

[00:22:42] a Muppet movie a couple years ago so but that was the only point of reference

[00:22:46] that I had for him at the time he was he was very nice he was when I got cast as

[00:22:51] puppeteer they wanted they told me I wasn't going to be the voice I just

[00:22:56] needed somebody who could hold the puppet up and then when I got to the

[00:23:00] audition they're like but we want you to be able to act and do something so

[00:23:05] you're not just flat again and the the the first few days were all solo

[00:23:14] things but when we finally got to do Stein and slappy there were like right

[00:23:20] away there was times that Jack would be like he should just do the voice it's

[00:23:24] fine I don't I don't need to do it why and so they they were like but but you

[00:23:29] should you should still do it so there were every time we worked together he

[00:23:32] was always like validating my work which you know that's great to feel good

[00:23:37] about what you're doing and that was the way it went for for most of the the

[00:23:45] shoot was we would we could get on like riffs like we did it for those junkets

[00:23:50] about like I don't want to record over his voice who's who's gonna record over

[00:23:55] my voice and there were just all these like silly back and forth gags and

[00:24:01] things and then he took me and my girlfriend at the time out for burgers

[00:24:05] and I got to hang out with him in his trailer while he was late hair and make

[00:24:10] up done he's got a wonderful assistant named Roz who is his hair and makeup on

[00:24:15] every project he's ever done who is a very very kind person who's very nice

[00:24:21] and and his stunt performer Jimmy waitman as well they're all a unit and

[00:24:28] every single one of those guys were great and you know went out to

[00:24:32] burgers with Jack and Roz my girlfriend at the time and he was super

[00:24:37] super nice and and then I didn't think he would remember me you know the year

[00:24:42] later when I saw him for all the promo stuff to start but he was the whole

[00:24:49] time he was pushing for me to be the voice and me to come in to do things so

[00:24:55] I can't speak more highly of him and he's very very good to me. Absolutely I mean

[00:25:03] everybody who talks about working with Jack Black just says he's just the

[00:25:07] nicest guy so full of life and energy I mean if we ever got the chance to

[00:25:14] talk with him I know me personally I'd be geeking out because besides Goosebumps

[00:25:20] he's just been in so many movies that I've enjoyed and I'm sure a lot of

[00:25:24] people have enjoyed yeah but that's always lovely lovely guy Jack I mean like

[00:25:30] you just see his fan interactions and you just think oh my god this guy is like

[00:25:34] the best you know like he does like tenacious D songs and like sometimes a

[00:25:38] young kid will start singing tenacious D and he's just like it's just his

[00:25:45] eyes light up you know you can just see he's just such a genuine dude was

[00:25:48] always and at the time go ahead at the time his kids were were young at

[00:25:53] the time and they were they got obsessed with the puppets because they were

[00:25:58] seeing what he was working with so they they were he was like I got to buy

[00:26:01] another dummy this weekend kids were all about it and his wife is a

[00:26:08] puppeteer as well she's worked with the Muppets on a few occasions but the

[00:26:14] the boys were super in there's pictures from the premiere of that as

[00:26:19] well of his kids dressed up both dressed up as slappy for the premiere

[00:26:23] there's there's some really cool stuff but the kids were super they I would

[00:26:25] like zoom with the were slappy would zoom or Skype with them over the phone

[00:26:29] and talk to them and stuff and it was just really really cool obviously the

[00:26:33] family was important to him too which is just even better absolutely one thing

[00:26:39] I just kind of missed opportunity I feel if you were that close to the

[00:26:42] Sesame Street set which two things one now you can tell me how to get to

[00:26:47] Sesame Street that's a lame joke but I'm throwing up in there

[00:26:51] they don't know how to get there they throw a bag over your head

[00:26:54] and just wake up throw you in there and you know how to get there but if you

[00:27:02] were to go up there I mean it's kind of disappointing that they didn't do slappy

[00:27:06] on Sesame Street oh yeah yeah I don't know how well that would have gone over

[00:27:13] well they had Jack Black on Jack Black on Sesame Street and it's funny that

[00:27:18] someone who is on Sesame Street also wrote and performed tenacious D songs

[00:27:25] what a contrast like what if they started singing in English singing on Sesame Street

[00:27:32] well there's a series called Cranky Anchors that had tenacious D music on it

[00:27:38] and they were all puppets so it's Jack and Kyle Gass as puppets singing

[00:27:44] tenacious D song look that up if you have it it's very funny amazing that

[00:27:48] sounds really cool I need to look that up but I mean everybody we talked earlier

[00:27:54] though too about your not making slappy so wouldn't and actually having to bring

[00:27:59] that character to life because you could definitely tell from both movies like it

[00:28:04] felt that way like when he was brought to life like he was alive alive but now

[00:28:09] like say for instance the Disney I don't know if you watch the Disney plus

[00:28:12] show of goosebumps and their version of slappy he doesn't know why they try not

[00:28:19] to like make him more lively like it's kind of baffling because even the 90s

[00:28:25] show for what they could do at the time and obviously both films you really

[00:28:31] got a sense that slappy was able to move on his own that he was doing

[00:28:33] these things and he was alive but he didn't have much movement or life in

[00:28:39] him in the news show so it kind of fell flat yeah because he was always sitting

[00:28:43] like never walked he never really did anything like that he just kind of

[00:28:47] sat there and just boss people around this is the part of the podcast where we

[00:28:52] dump on the 2023 show yeah I would like to go on the record that I've never

[00:28:58] said it but I will listen that version of slapping I had a great design

[00:29:09] oh the design is freaky mm-hmm yeah yeah it was a great design and honestly a

[00:29:16] good voice Chris I said this before Chris gear has a pretty good slappy voice

[00:29:21] even though he's British it's pretty good but it just doesn't yeah it nicks

[00:29:30] right it just doesn't have the the life behind it show much like the entire

[00:29:37] show and how they adapt use bumps true story that's a story for another day but

[00:29:44] um yeah no I know I was like yeah sorry go ahead oh no like I was just gonna say

[00:29:51] like I when like we saw the show we were just so disappointed with it and like I

[00:29:56] was just like I don't want anyone from the original 90s show all the movies

[00:30:00] associated with this because like I love the movies I love the original

[00:30:05] show and I was like I don't want anyone to get involved with this because I will

[00:30:09] just be so like because because we didn't like it I was just like I don't want you

[00:30:14] know I don't want anything from the past to be associated with this new show

[00:30:18] especially because it just it just sucked and like because we love the

[00:30:21] original movies like with you and everything we love the original show

[00:30:24] so much that I was just like please I don't want anyone to get wrapped in

[00:30:27] this because this new show sucks I thought I was in it for a hot

[00:30:34] second there because they used some of my audio over on some of the ads so yeah

[00:30:39] that was like that's why we thought it was actually you who was going to be in

[00:30:44] yeah 2023 show well I remember you had to make a video saying like addressing

[00:30:49] me as you were like yeah because you're made a video yep you're made a video

[00:30:54] about it and immediately everybody started sending that to me congratulations

[00:30:58] congratulations and I'm like I am packing my house to move right now I've

[00:31:03] not been anywhere you know yeah yeah I was

[00:31:08] congratulations on the little views yeah that video got like so many views and I

[00:31:13] was like look I I don't want anything from the past to be in this in this new

[00:31:18] show because I'm just like I know the show is gonna suck

[00:31:22] and I was like and Nick and I talked about this so many times like we just

[00:31:26] they kind of did the trailers for the new series in a way that

[00:31:31] like they try to make it look like it was going to be like really scary you know

[00:31:35] and creepy and that but we kind of we kind of did the nitty gritty on it and we

[00:31:39] were like digging through those trailers going no this looks like it's gonna

[00:31:42] kind of suck you know and I was just like I really hope no one gets wrapped

[00:31:45] into this show you know and I hope like they didn't try to like get

[00:31:49] like even if Jack Black was like put into it I'd be like no like please

[00:31:53] like keep the movie separate because I love the movies as they are I love

[00:31:56] everyone involved with them I don't want them associated with this

[00:32:00] well that's how I think is so great about

[00:32:03] goosebumps stuff is everything is in its own bubble and

[00:32:07] if you like one thing you can adventure next door to the

[00:32:11] to the movies or to the 90s show or whatever but

[00:32:15] you don't have to you know you don't have to watch this new series

[00:32:18] to understand everything else you know I mean like it's not like

[00:32:22] a Marvel Cinematic Universe or anything you don't have to

[00:32:25] watch all of the pieces you can pick and choose whatever works for you

[00:32:29] and if you've got little kids who like things that are scary and you don't

[00:32:32] want to traumatize them send them one way but if you

[00:32:36] you know a little older and you actually want to get scared then you go watch

[00:32:39] some other things it's I love that there's there's like that

[00:32:42] separation there well and it's such a goosebumps is a very

[00:32:46] versatile franchise because you have so many avenues

[00:32:50] and adaptations that you're right it's like you can

[00:32:54] watch like the movies and never read a goosebumps book

[00:32:58] or you could have read the books but never see any of the the adaptations the

[00:33:05] shows and the movies but everyone's to each their own

[00:33:08] I mean the four of us we watched anything that's goosebumps on it we're

[00:33:12] all over that but we still watch it like we did

[00:33:18] with the new show we still watched it yeah we're gonna watch it but we'll

[00:33:21] still probably watch season two of the new show

[00:33:23] because like and thankfully season two is going a different story they're not

[00:33:27] doing the continuing the story from season one because at least yeah

[00:33:30] like it has the potential to be better if the story is better

[00:33:34] and I know already just based on the synopsis it sounds way more interesting

[00:33:37] than the season one one yeah definitely 100%

[00:33:41] like but if they do if they announce the goosebumps three movie and they

[00:33:44] say that jack's coming back every's coming back to public is sloppy

[00:33:47] you know they're gonna get back Dylan Manado day rush I'll be like okay when

[00:33:50] do I pre-order my tickets you know what I mean it's gonna be weird if they

[00:33:53] get back Dylan and Odea because they're gonna be in like what

[00:33:56] they're late 20s 10 years in the future like you know

[00:34:04] and they this time they actually get sucked into horror land or horror land gets

[00:34:08] released into the world or something okay I was like an interesting idea I'd have

[00:34:11] I was gonna say the whole continuation needs to be because of what happened at

[00:34:14] the end of goosebump I was gonna say Stein's still in a book somewhere

[00:34:18] Stein's in a book so yeah honestly like I mean an interesting plot would be

[00:34:21] like what if Zach and Hannah have kids of their own in this movie and

[00:34:24] their kids are getting into reading goose bumps and then they realize Stein's

[00:34:27] missing you know going through the box of books up in

[00:34:33] the attic and you know grandpa pops out of one of them you know he

[00:34:37] you know Stein's been in the house the whole time but they didn't know where

[00:34:41] he was kind of thing there I would love for someone to

[00:34:45] to explore that a little more for sure yeah

[00:34:48] horror land book or something like that and they have to

[00:34:52] well that's one thing I want to address because when they first announced

[00:34:56] that there was going to be a goosebump sequel I mean everybody was excited I

[00:35:01] know we were excited because they announced it as horror land

[00:35:05] um okay but that did not that was not the case and

[00:35:11] that was what I call the biggest cock block in goose bumps history

[00:35:16] is that we could have gotten goose bumps horror land movie but they didn't

[00:35:21] now me personally and I actually there's a lot of people who say goose bumps too

[00:35:28] is not as good as the first one it certainly had a lower budget I'm pretty

[00:35:34] sure and it wasn't as advertised it wasn't as like big of a

[00:35:40] project as the first film was but I actually like goose bumps too

[00:35:46] yeah and I think it was a pretty decent goose bumps

[00:35:51] story I like that it's more slappy centric

[00:35:55] the slappy is definitely more of a main focus in this movie

[00:35:59] um and I just thought it was a decent Halloween

[00:36:05] movie it definitely has a lot of Halloween it takes place on Halloween

[00:36:10] but you have like the decorations coming alive it was a pretty decent

[00:36:13] idea um me personally at least and we've talked about this before it grew

[00:36:19] it grew on us for sure like and we actually all agreed when we did our

[00:36:24] episode about the movies that slappy was more book accurate in the second

[00:36:28] movie and we kind of we kind of picked up on

[00:36:31] that a little later because I was like literally he's doing what it says on

[00:36:35] the cover he's walking and stalking you know what I mean

[00:36:38] and it's yeah and the scene like in the auditorium where you know he's

[00:36:43] standing at the top of the stirpladder and he like makes him fall I'm just and

[00:36:46] like even just the scene where he comes through the door and they shut

[00:36:49] behind him I'm like dude this is like this is a

[00:36:51] neither living dummy book like that's what they're doing here you know and

[00:36:55] I think it was actually slappy was way more like he was in the books in the

[00:36:59] second movie and you kind of picked up on that a little later as well

[00:37:03] like when you watched it you know back when it first came out in the

[00:37:06] cinema you know obviously like as I said you felt these other

[00:37:10] these things you know about the film in general but then later you kind of went

[00:37:13] back and watched it you're like you know what this is actually so amazing I

[00:37:18] feel like I'm reading a goosebumps book but seeing it on the screen so yeah no I

[00:37:23] I really liked the second movie it grew on me big time I think it's

[00:37:27] actually more like a goosebumps story than the first movie was

[00:37:31] you know even though the first one felt bigger and everything but I still

[00:37:35] think it felt more like a goosebumps story

[00:37:37] yeah although I think they had to use they replaced slappy with so much CGI and the

[00:37:42] pretty crappy looking CGI but yeah that's the thing about the first one is that

[00:37:49] I'm pretty sure slappy was fully practical from yeah just about all of the

[00:37:56] first I believe there's three shots in the first movie where he's CG

[00:38:02] and it's always for a specific reason and then when we were doing the second one

[00:38:08] he pops up CG quite a bit even though we filmed all of that stuff practically I don't know

[00:38:16] technically why they made that decision especially in the well the introduction

[00:38:22] seemed to of sunny in that he's on the couch with all the stuffed animals there's

[00:38:28] there's a couple of really ugly CG slappy shots in there yeah where he stands up is like

[00:38:33] you brought me to life I think they just did it to make him more animated to make him

[00:38:37] move stuff we were we were we were really we had a team of four on that one versus the

[00:38:42] team of two we had on the first movie so we were able to do footsteps and arms and things

[00:38:51] like that and we would try it and then those were the times that he turned into CG slappy so

[00:38:59] I don't know if that's a you know who made that decision my favorite shot that we did for the movie

[00:39:05] is him on the windshield of the car and uh and he's half half CG in that whole sequence it's

[00:39:14] like four shots two shots of the puppet and two shots are CG and it screams how different it is

[00:39:21] exactly especially when he's like pounding on the windshield I believe that's the first shot

[00:39:27] that's fully in 3d and you can just see it like it's not they didn't even try to hide it and I mean

[00:39:35] CG is always going to be inferior to practical because practical you know is physically there

[00:39:42] in real life so it doesn't look fake CG looks fake the CG in the first one was more

[00:39:49] or it's there but I think it was integrated a little better um it wasn't as noticeable and

[00:39:56] definitely you have to have some CG for you know the much bigger creatures the abominable snowman

[00:40:01] the werewolf the praying mantis um because unfortunately there's no giant praying mantises

[00:40:07] in real life um even the gnomes were CG for the most part for the most part like a lot of

[00:40:12] the scenes in the gnomes moving were CG and those looked great they didn't look real

[00:40:17] almost like phenomenal I don't know because you can look at older films we talked about Godzilla

[00:40:25] prior to starting tonight's podcasting that's a that's one out there I'm wearing a god

[00:40:28] dill god dill t-shirt just FYI so I mean you can make suits and make it practical and still

[00:40:35] make them look good I mean it's probably just it's a budget thing I mean they probably just

[00:40:40] cost way more just because you're making you're paying somebody to make the suit you're paying

[00:40:44] somebody to be in the suit uh to control the suit if it's like for instance like a werewolf

[00:40:49] usually they have animatronics in their heads and stuff like that so CGI is cheaper it's not always

[00:40:56] the best because again practical is always there but what I was going to say before was

[00:41:00] when you compare things like the first Jurassic Park film where Stan Winston Studio's amazing

[00:41:06] amazing dinosaurs and then you get to all these new ones and it's all CGI and you

[00:41:11] I don't care how CGI is you can definitely tell how that's not there in one way or another

[00:41:18] you can always tell that CGI but those original Jurassic Parks were so amazing uh just because

[00:41:23] they were actually using animatronics there was something practical there to look at so yeah

[00:41:29] nothing's going to be practical effects in my book so it's really weird they chose

[00:41:35] to use CGI slappy more in the second film when it looked really good in the first one

[00:41:41] and like I think that my one big gripe about the first movie is like it's a great movie but

[00:41:46] they focused on almost all of the main focus monsters are CG monsters like all the awesome

[00:41:52] looking practical effect monsters are relegated to the background yeah the Haunted Mask is a good

[00:41:58] example of that too because um I've spoken with uh the girl who played uh the Haunted Mask in

[00:42:04] that first movie and it's a shame they didn't really use that more because that the design

[00:42:09] was pretty neat uh I mean obviously it's practical she was there but again the focus being on more of

[00:42:15] the and you know CGI characters or CGI monsters was I don't know more prevalent to them I guess it

[00:42:21] was a again a cheaper alternative than having to pay somebody probably to be on film more

[00:42:28] which is unfortunate yeah I I can't pull the the name of the space aliens out of my brain

[00:42:37] right now the face huggers or whatever they are from the first movie that come into the police

[00:42:43] they call what they're all but there's four of them oh yeah the body squeezers thank you

[00:42:49] they um they had there were four of those guys and they were the original intention was that they

[00:42:55] wore green hoods and their faces were all CG and their hands were green and they were all CG

[00:43:02] as well but for the Comic Con appearance they built practical one practical head and a set of

[00:43:09] practical hands and they look great and then when you compare that to even what they ended up being

[00:43:15] which were pretty cool looking things I think we could have gotten away with the rubber heads

[00:43:20] even on on those guys because because there's ways to do both you can have a practical puppet

[00:43:27] that is sweetened in CG or you can remove puppeteers and you know lengthen necks and do all sorts of

[00:43:34] really cool things with uh with with monsters so I think that would have would have also added

[00:43:41] to the uh the the scariness of the second movie yeah and like the thing is as well as like

[00:43:49] the fact that they chose the abominable snow in a Pasadena as one of the main focal monsters

[00:43:54] it's like ask any goosebumps fan barely anybody is gonna say they remember abominable snowman as

[00:43:59] one of their favorite books but that should have been the mask or like no curly the skeleton anywhere

[00:44:05] yeah no curly oh that was a killer I think I still think to this day it was a huge missed

[00:44:12] opportunity to not use curly like a crypt keeper kind of character uh for the goosebumps world

[00:44:20] uh I mean just such a cool design uh I thought he had a really interesting voice in some of the

[00:44:26] versions that actually had a voice but such a missed opportunity or I that would have been so

[00:44:32] great if they could use curly stalch is the thing right now right he you wouldn't even have to

[00:44:38] change him at all it's you could lean into the nostalgia of you know the endy's skater bro

[00:44:45] kind of thing I think that that would be a really cool way to uh to tell those stories too

[00:44:50] absolutely I just imagine if like they had curly introduce every episode of the original 90s

[00:44:55] show like our own stein kind of did in the specials but do that with every episode and with

[00:44:59] curly and then just have signed to the specials that would have been really cool that would

[00:45:04] have been pretty neat uh one thing I want to ask is um so puppeteering for promotional uh

[00:45:12] products is a little different than doing it in the actual movie um and I mean behind the scene

[00:45:18] stuff shows that when you guys were doing slappy not only was some of it on green screen um but

[00:45:24] you guys had to wear like these full green screen like outfits um what was it like having to work

[00:45:30] alongside that was it weird it was it was very strange because I'm I'm trained in in the

[00:45:39] Muppet style of puppetry where you try to hide the puppeteer at all costs first and then you

[00:45:46] you know can digitally hide our rods or wires or anything else so being exposed next to the puppet

[00:45:53] made my brain hurt a little bit as I was like this is not how to tell it uh yeah it was it was odd

[00:46:00] I didn't have to put on a green screen suit at all for the second movie we were able to

[00:46:05] get around that entirely but uh yeah I think I think they just like putting weird crap on me for

[00:46:12] it was pretty weird because I got my my microphone is on a headband right here as well so I got this

[00:46:19] weird mic pack thing going on and yeah it was I think it was all a prank

[00:46:28] it does look pretty funny

[00:46:30] you just I like to watch those behind the scenes stuff they do for like uh when Andy Serkis or

[00:46:38] Mark Ruffalo have to do their like their mocap suit stuff and it just it does it looks absolutely

[00:46:45] ridiculous so kudos to actors who can actually like get beyond the goofiness of how these things

[00:46:50] look and feel to actually bring out a performance either of themselves or in this case slappy because

[00:46:57] yeah I don't know how the funniest one you will ever see the funniest one is for live action beauty

[00:47:04] and the beast and Mawatson is a princess and she's acting along this this thing it is the weirdest

[00:47:14] like rubber it's horrible oh my god that looks more like a beast than the actual beast yes

[00:47:25] so if if you need a laugh or a little bit of a scare there's another thing to look up you

[00:47:31] should put that in the goose bumps three look that one out the abomination three oh man man I

[00:47:39] if they do a goose bumps three I I'm hoping it's either horror land or it's somehow camp theme centric

[00:47:46] like like said it was something more months but yeah like like I'm still hoping they do a goose bumps

[00:47:53] three like you know I really really want them to I mean I know the new show you know they're

[00:47:57] kind of working on that but like why can't we have a third film and still have the new show

[00:48:02] you know like why can't we just get a giant unresolved cliffhanger at the end of the

[00:48:06] second one that's I guess it's going to join the ranks of like the super mario brothers movie

[00:48:11] is cliffhangers that will probably never get resolved well I was told I was told on set of the first

[00:48:21] movie that they had five scripts ready to go if this one did well or something like that

[00:48:27] so I don't know what those are or where those are but I was told the number I was told was

[00:48:34] five ready to go so I don't know if that will ever show up anywhere but I know I know the the

[00:48:43] second movie was pitched from concept to finished film in like 10 months so they moved really quick

[00:48:51] on number two compared to the first one so there's there's chance out there blown again

[00:48:58] changed it from one concept to another and a relatively short amount of time so it almost

[00:49:04] makes you wonder if there was some sort of like issues behind the scenes with trying to really

[00:49:09] land on that script which I mean makes sense sometimes movies you know go through drastic

[00:49:15] changes behind the scenes and then pre-production but yeah still would have really liked that

[00:49:20] horror land movie I mean yeah my theory behind it was that while we were while we were filming

[00:49:27] we would get a new draft to the script every week or so that stein was in this one stein

[00:49:34] wasn't in this so they would they they would I think it was jack black availability

[00:49:41] for the most part stein couldn't be part of the story this time

[00:49:44] yeah and well and it shows in the second movie because we talked about this in an earlier episode

[00:49:52] but jack black's involvement was weird because he was filming e y roffs a clock with a house

[00:49:59] of a house with a clock in its walls at the same time so he had a bigger commitment to that

[00:50:05] than goose bumps too and that's kind of why it was up in the air but he

[00:50:10] technically does make an appearance in a way smaller role doesn't really contribute much I'm

[00:50:16] willing to bet that maybe most of his scenes were probably reshoots because he's just glad

[00:50:22] they were he had he had three days on on principal photography but he was outdoors at the

[00:50:33] they're leaving at the end of the movie they're leaving the test the lab

[00:50:37] um that was the only outdoor shoot he had everything else was inside and on green and with his double

[00:50:44] jimmy as any inserts of hands or anything that they did to even even one of the the lines are

[00:50:52] different that he when he talks to slappy so mick who doubles slappy in that movie also doubles

[00:50:59] jack in that movie and drops a couple extra lines of dialogue for stein that was different

[00:51:05] than what we actually shot so you hear him talk off camera and there's there's different lines there

[00:51:11] so that's interesting I mean I know mick is probably the person that can imitate jack black the best

[00:51:19] um sure so if I had never heard about that I never would have guessed I I didn't know who he was

[00:51:26] until after the movie after the premiere of the second movie they told me all up I was

[00:51:33] recording uh adr and doing all sorts of stuff for the second movie and then uh after the premiere

[00:51:41] I was like that was jack black right and so I saw mick winger go by in the credits I was like

[00:51:46] who is that and I went home and googled him I was like oh that guy was at the premiere who I talked to

[00:51:53] yeah no that was weird because yeah even the promos um well the promos had you know

[00:52:01] they had you doing the the voice which was which was always weird because the trailers and the promos

[00:52:08] were always your voice but the actual movies were jack or mick um right in the first and second

[00:52:16] movies and that was always the weird thing to me because it was just like if they're going

[00:52:20] to go through all the trouble it's like I mean I I understand why they did it maybe for the

[00:52:27] first movie because slappy in the first movie supposed to sort of be a representation of stein

[00:52:32] himself he's kind of like stein's darker half so it kind of makes a little sense that it'd be jack

[00:52:37] black because they're the same person in a sense but I don't know it just always seemed a little odd

[00:52:45] to me yeah I would ask too I was like do I need to lean more into like I can't do a jack impression

[00:52:52] but do I need to like lean more into his sensibilities and things as we're shooting they're like no

[00:52:57] just do what you would do and he'll go over that so I I was never trying to be jack black because

[00:53:05] they were on both movies they were like you just do what you do and he'll uh he'll he'll

[00:53:10] we'll fix it later so yeah we are all man I guess it's kind of a relief in one way

[00:53:17] I mean if they're telling you you just do you don't worry about trying to be jack

[00:53:21] should have been a little easier I would think because trying to imitate I think somebody

[00:53:26] it's even more of a gut punch it's an even more of a gut punch though when they go when they

[00:53:30] replace you at that point they're like oh you don't do you

[00:53:36] oh man you know I was I was in the beginning or was it was I'm sorry was it supposed to be

[00:53:43] you in the beginning and then they ended up using jack instead like that they have him go

[00:53:48] and do voice or like I'm not really sure how like all that works if you were like

[00:53:54] hired I guess specifically for like a just puppeteering or did they want you to do

[00:53:58] puppeteering and voice to start with and then they kind of took that part out from you right

[00:54:04] so in the first movie it was always come and puppeteer it's not going to be your voice

[00:54:09] we just want someone who can act and then the second movie when I went in they were like it's

[00:54:18] going to be you because you've done this more than anybody and then at the very tail end they

[00:54:25] they flipped I had studio days scheduled and stuff to do all my ADR and things so I don't know

[00:54:30] how late into the process that switch happened on the second movie but yeah it was always just

[00:54:36] do whatever you would do and we'll we'll dub over it later

[00:54:41] Strangely oh man that's sad like I gotta admit you know when I saw the even that first panel

[00:54:47] for the movie uh the one we're talking about earlier Comic Con I remember when Slappy started

[00:54:52] talking when I damn this voice is epic and I watched it with my brother actually because I was

[00:54:56] like oh my god there's a video of like for the movie like promotional and he goes oh Slappy's

[00:55:01] voice sounds amazing so I actually genuinely thought that was the voice for Slappy your voice

[00:55:06] when I first heard it and I was like he sounds so like authority in like exactly how I imagined

[00:55:11] his voice would sound especially in like this setting and then when it was Jack Black's voice

[00:55:16] in the movie I got to be honest I was actually a little bit disappointed because like sometimes

[00:55:20] you close your eyes and you didn't know who was talking and I'd be like am I hearing Jack or

[00:55:24] Slappy talk now you know what I mean like so I was disappointed you know that they didn't use

[00:55:30] your voice to be honest like I thought I will you know I mean the whole idea was all it's

[00:55:36] Stein's all Torego so we got to use Jack's voice but I was like no I think Avery's voice was actually

[00:55:41] way more solid than than Jack's for Slappy so sometimes it's funny though because since Jack Black

[00:55:46] is technically voice slappy I want to usually do the thing that people were doing when he was

[00:55:51] announced as Bowser and just like take Slappy clips and put like tenacious DE over it

[00:55:58] just be like the just like like shut up fuck you

[00:56:05] just do that scene where he's like in the auditorium with Stein and just put that dialogue over

[00:56:10] always they sing everything I create

[00:56:16] that'd be great I love that well we're gonna get back to more uh goose bumps discussion in

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[00:58:05] so of course we were talking about uh you know your performance is slappy and

[00:58:11] even though it didn't appear in the movies you did voice slappy technically in everything

[00:58:15] else and like we said slappy was all over social media and interviews and everything

[00:58:22] especially for the first movie um and your slappy voice is pretty distinct in and of itself

[00:58:28] um can you tell us a little bit about how you kind of landed that particular voice or slappy

[00:58:35] so i when i got the auditioned i was one of five guys that showed up for the open call

[00:58:42] for a puppeteer for this for this thing um the other guys were much significantly older than me

[00:58:49] the script was also i don't know if you guys have seen early versions of the script there's

[00:58:53] there's i don't they might be out there um slappy spoke much differently and the lines are kind

[00:58:59] of cringy uh there's some some like what he he he also only speaks in the third person

[00:59:07] so there wasn't a whole lot the first line i had was slappy's so happy and he's free

[00:59:16] and it was i was just like how do you make that freaky

[00:59:24] i just i was just trying to do the scariest voice i was just trying to pull the scariest thing

[00:59:30] i wish i had a story about like i studied everything and i was finding the scariest voice ever no i

[00:59:36] just that was just i was trying to make the script spooky because on its face it was not

[00:59:43] i got those somewhere i'll i'll see if i could find some of those and share uh but there

[00:59:50] yeah it was just a voice and with puppetry there's a a rule of you don't want to stray too far

[00:59:57] from your actual voice because if you're going to be doing something for hours and hours at that

[01:00:01] time you don't want to strain you don't want to hurt yourself so i i didn't go too far from where

[01:00:07] my voice actually lives because i was worried if i was screaming and doing stuff like mark hamill

[01:00:13] does for joker it wouldn't you know i'd blow an eardrum or something and i i wouldn't be able

[01:00:19] to sustain it so there luckily the voice the first voice i picked was was the right one

[01:00:25] and then the laugh didn't come along until until later but the the voice itself was a

[01:00:32] happy accident because the script was odd yeah it's weird the the idea of slappy having to speak in

[01:00:40] the third person is really weird there's that line in particular sounds like a wrestler you know what

[01:00:45] i mean like well he also sang in the original draft of the so as the monsters are tearing the

[01:00:56] high school apart slappy's sitting out in the haunted car like listening to the radio and it's uh

[01:01:03] it's a song called super star by peggie lee i believe um but it's like this love song and

[01:01:10] he's just like rocking out in the car to this while the monsters are tearing the high school part

[01:01:17] so honestly a lot changed i feel like slappy probably would do that if he was feeling like

[01:01:24] yeah super carefree he would just kind of be chill on while oh it's it's very funny i i think it's

[01:01:30] very funny i just don't know if it's the moment to do that in the movie i see i feel

[01:01:35] that's another missed opportunity with jack black being very musical that like

[01:01:40] they didn't have maybe that's what they were trying to maybe that's what they were trying to do i

[01:01:44] i'm not sure but i did it for two nights out in the cold in my green suit and i've not seen it

[01:01:52] sit so interesting maybe one day there'll be a director's cut out there i was gonna say

[01:01:58] that'd been great as a deleted scene well there was a there's a at the beginning of the movie

[01:02:04] where it was the moving van and that alternate opening slappy's first appearance was in the

[01:02:10] back of the moving van and uh i mean honestly that is a pretty creepy opening um and i think that

[01:02:18] was a definitely waiting sorry go ahead it was in the video game yeah didn't you wait 40 minutes

[01:02:24] to actually see slappy in the uh in the movie so when i took family to see the movie i was like

[01:02:31] it's he's in there i promise we just gotta make it through these other guys first yeah it's in the

[01:02:36] video game because the video game of video games and books and things get made way before

[01:02:44] of an edit is finalized so there's a lot of the the junior novelization has some changes

[01:02:50] in it as well that we uh we shot but aren't in the movie he runs a biker off the street and

[01:02:56] yells at him out the car window and things like that so we filmed all of that they filmed so many

[01:03:03] things in the high school there's a whole prom's worth of extras that did all sorts of night shoots

[01:03:09] out in the cold and there's a fight with mashed potato garlic mashed potatoes in the cafeteria

[01:03:16] against the vampires oh there's there was some really funny stuff in there but i don't know

[01:03:23] where those things went sad and i'm not seeing that now yeah that's like that sounds so fun i think

[01:03:27] that's well that's the sad thing about it is that they especially the i mean going back to our

[01:03:33] talk about the cgi versus the practical is that the cgi monsters while they look good they definitely

[01:03:41] take more of the center stage in the movie the obama snowman the werewolf the praying man is

[01:03:46] i think the graveyard ghouls are the only practical makeup monsters that are kind of given

[01:03:52] a little time to shine but a lot of the like big costumes are saved for the big school scene

[01:04:00] and many of them are just kind of in the background and that's really kind of upsetting

[01:04:04] because you you'd want to see many of these like in the spotlight right the uh the calling all

[01:04:11] creeps those costumes getting no screen time like i think you see they're like their eyes at the window

[01:04:19] at some point in but that those costumes were crazy and they were they were great but they were uh

[01:04:27] they they i don't know what uh they love the clown on set though the clown was they didn't

[01:04:33] intend for the clown to be as prominent as he was but uh marshall is the name of the actor that plays

[01:04:41] the clown and he would do this laugh to see when he would walk around i don't think it's still in the

[01:04:48] movie but they would they they stuck look they were bringing bringing the clown so they would

[01:04:53] stick him up against that window that wasn't one of the original uh like jump scares either but

[01:04:59] the they love the clown and uh i'm trying to remember there was something else on that

[01:05:05] movie that i really loved the uh the mummy doesn't get his uh time to shine either that was a beautiful

[01:05:13] he was it was a rubber mask and he had this great like like sculpted uh gold chin piece um those

[01:05:21] were the the puppets the slappy puppets that i worked with and the body squeezers and the mummies

[01:05:29] the mummy were all made by the same company so we were kind of a pod because we had the same

[01:05:35] like guys wrangling us so i spent a lot of time with those guys and the that mummy costume is is

[01:05:40] great um i don't know if that's one of the ones that's gone up to auction i know one of the

[01:05:45] the body squeezer aliens went up for auction a couple of years ago and the the performer bought it

[01:05:53] the actor the extra that they hired for it bought it and is in his living room now so

[01:05:59] good they they did they didn't a lot of a lot of auctions of of costumes and cheerleader

[01:06:04] uniforms and things that didn't get a lot of screen time in in the movie the typewriters

[01:06:09] went up at some point as well and a couple of the manuscripts that went up for auction at 1.2

[01:06:16] okay i know i know the couple of the manuscripts were giveaways for some fan sweepstakes thing for

[01:06:24] the first movie there was a gnome or two that went out um and uh i know where one of the gnomes is

[01:06:31] yeah i think i did too yeah i got him and i got the coach i also got the coaches costume too

[01:06:38] the coaches wardrobe okay um and that was by mistake though because i i did another podcast

[01:06:44] years ago like probably like nine eight nine years ago and um one of the guys was like oh yeah i

[01:06:50] want some like costume thing off the coach but um it just kind of sits on a box like can i just

[01:06:55] send it to you and i was like oh okay yeah like so he just sent it to me and i was like oh awesome

[01:07:01] so i ended up with the costume and the and the the lawn but i also got one of those

[01:07:06] gummy bears from the second movie premiere someone managed to grab one for me yeah that's really cool

[01:07:14] sorry but um yeah just wish that some of those because they did such a great job i mean the

[01:07:19] makeup on that movie and the prosthetics the costumes was just incredible and you just

[01:07:25] kind of wish that you know they got and of course you can't have every every single

[01:07:31] monster get a scene because the movie would be like three four hours long but uh you just kind of

[01:07:37] wish that they all the hard work gets more i wish there was another way i would not

[01:07:42] wish there was another way to showcase it because though there were a lot of people

[01:07:46] that worked a lot along nights on um both movies there's there's some great monsters

[01:07:52] in the second one as well that i don't think you see at all didn't you uh do that group

[01:07:58] other puppeteering for other monsters besides slappy in the second one so for the second one i was

[01:08:05] the hand in the candy bowl um when they first go into to um the house uh i was there was a

[01:08:15] hag this big i don't know even know if it's there's a shot of it in the movie it's got this

[01:08:20] big wide mouth and it's the blue guy he knows it's not a blue he was kind of like a green gray

[01:08:29] you know i don't know how to describe him but i i did that puppet for for a couple of nights

[01:08:35] in around mr. chew's house um and then there's a blue troll or something that's in the

[01:08:42] fred's pharmacy store that i did um i feel like i did something else as well but that might have been

[01:08:49] i love the i did a lot of i love the just he's just like

[01:08:58] yeah just like i'm sorry oh teeth and no yeah but those balloons actually blown up at mr. chew's house

[01:09:06] because like like the scene in like the daytime with all the balloons like i know that obviously

[01:09:10] it was a cgi monster later but were they actually like did they blow up that many balloons for like

[01:09:16] that day should like shut so everything on the ground was real but everything on the house was not

[01:09:26] okay so if there's all those coffins and things in the front yard those are those were all really

[01:09:31] there but the uh the the balloons were all fake i remember thinking damn how did they blow that

[01:09:36] would have taken forever to blow so that was a lot of that would have been like uh the sequel to up

[01:09:42] they're just like all those balloons on the house and the house just gets up and flies away

[01:09:50] yeah like one of my like speaking of like the practical monsters from the first movies of

[01:09:54] one of my favorite practical monsters from that movie were the jack-o-lanterns from

[01:09:58] attack of the jack-o-lanterns the pumpkin head that we got in that that thing was awesome like

[01:10:02] the skeleton face and stuff how like tall it was like that's a cool design one of those guys

[01:10:08] was it comic-con i believe one of the really or maybe it was the premiere they're two uh two great

[01:10:15] great super performers they uh and i those still existed those were in the archive that they could

[01:10:21] have pulled over into the second one as well but they they didn't um which i was surprised by because

[01:10:28] you know it's a pre-existing monster that we know were existing this world so

[01:10:33] so surprised about that but yeah the i forgot about the the skeleton the jack-o-lantern skeleton

[01:10:39] that guy was cool like it's a shame though like that the the sequel didn't include the haunted mask a

[01:10:45] bit more since it's a halloween movie and the haunted mask would have been like a perfect

[01:10:48] shoe in i know they kind of had the ogre mask which is kind of supposed to be that but yeah

[01:10:53] yeah i think that was the idea of the same thing to include the actual haunted mask

[01:10:57] or the old man mask or something like that well that also raises the question of there's goose bumps

[01:11:03] merchandise in this world right there was a the mummy from the first movie you can buy as a costume

[01:11:09] at the pharmacy so there's gotta be like aren't there are slappy dolls anywhere in the world so

[01:11:14] there's doesn't that create so good thing slappy didn't find them because oh boy

[01:11:22] that's what i want it's what i want the sequel to be that would be pretty

[01:11:27] boring the slappy makes an army of himself like they're all these merchandise slappies

[01:11:32] who's from three out of the living dummies but like i honestly you know going back on what we're

[01:11:38] saying earlier about like the props and stuff going out i am still absolutely gutted that

[01:11:44] you did not get to keep slappy like how did they not let you keep slappy i mean you was nights and

[01:11:51] nights and nights and days and nights with him and you didn't get to keep him like come on you know

[01:11:56] i got this guy right here this was my gift from iron head that produced the dummies for the

[01:12:03] first movie they made a couple of these as test paints so rob could choose which style he wanted

[01:12:10] there was one that leaned more ceramic and one that leaned more wooden things like that so i've got

[01:12:15] i've got my guy here these are hands i don't know how well you can see the hands um the hands are

[01:12:21] scour our screen used uh those wooden uh slappies getting sucked back into the book at the very

[01:12:29] end of the first movie and he's steins holding on to him right before he kicks him that's those

[01:12:35] pair of hands oh those that's really cool that's cool so when i watch the movie i'll go

[01:12:41] avery got those i've seen there's there's a pair there's pair eyes and eyebrows and i got his jaw

[01:12:49] and his uh flower and his real bow tie and stuff in here too i i i do have this but not an actual

[01:12:57] functioning puppet which is is disappointing there was only one for the first movie though so

[01:13:02] i understand they don't want to let that i think uh i told the story on the podcast before but um

[01:13:10] many many years ago when i was a sophomore in high school i took a class trip to uh la and one of

[01:13:17] the for my like film class and one of the places we went was we took a tour of sony and the first

[01:13:24] stop we went to and this keep in mind this was february 2018 so this was the same year that

[01:13:30] second movie came out okay and we went to this prop room and there was all sorts of props for movies

[01:13:37] there was like the stuff from the set of sign fell there was ghost busters props spider man

[01:13:43] props all sorts of stuff but they had a little section for goosebumps and they had one of the

[01:13:48] lawn gnomes the i believe the manuscript for abominable snowman and like a little poster

[01:13:55] of the goosebumps movie and i was just like an aw i was just like whoa this is like really cool

[01:14:02] um and i think one of the workers like noticed that i was really interested so they walked over

[01:14:07] and they're like are you like a fan of goosebumps i'm like yeah this is awesome i'm so happy to see

[01:14:11] this and she was like well you know usually slappy would be sitting in that director's chair

[01:14:17] right there and i was like why is like yeah he's usually there but they borrowed him because

[01:14:24] they're using him to film the the sequel right now and that was before they officially like

[01:14:28] announced it and i was like what and i was so excited i was like i was kind of disappointed

[01:14:35] though because i'm like i could have saw slappy in person but um it was just really cool to hear

[01:14:41] that because soon after they would officially announce the sequel is coming out i get people

[01:14:47] that send me pictures of the the slappy in the in the archives there the in the chair so

[01:14:53] i was very exciting to me i'm glad he's i'm really glad he's not in a box somewhere

[01:14:58] they're at least you know he gets some attention that's great yeah first teaser go for it yep

[01:15:03] no the first teaser for goosebumps two i remember because i remember me and beorene

[01:15:08] specifically were like super excited um because i believe they said oh the first teaser for

[01:15:14] goosebumps two is going to drop on this date and me and beorene were talking and we're like

[01:15:18] we're so excited we're gonna get our first look and it was the one where it's slappy in the school

[01:15:24] i think and there's like the big hole in the wall and it's like yeah you think i'm just another

[01:15:30] hallowed dummy think again goosebumps two coming this october and even though it was

[01:15:38] like very simple we were just like oh yeah i i that was the greatest yeah like because like

[01:15:46] yeah at that point it was all speculation like are they filming like what's happening

[01:15:50] and then that teaser was like the confirmation that no yes it's happening and it's coming out this

[01:15:55] year oh wow like it was just it was like wow it's coming out in eight months or whatever it was

[01:16:01] at the time when that trailer dropped so it was yeah it was really exciting news but you

[01:16:05] did you got to do the unicef commercial actually i just thought about that yes that was in between

[01:16:11] yeah yeah well that was a whole goosebumps like tie-in it wasn't even just the movie it was like all

[01:16:17] of goosebumps as a franchise promoting trigger treat for unicef i believe 2017 or i think it was

[01:16:26] 17 yeah yeah it was 2017 and uh that was before you know like all the goosebumps to

[01:16:34] start goosebumps two stuff started up um that was like the first time you had gotten a hold of slappy

[01:16:40] again in about like the two years since the first movie came out and i remember they mailed him to

[01:16:47] my house they shipped him to my house in the middle of nowhere alabama that was the craziest thing

[01:16:55] yes that's awesome just imagine did they tell you about it because i think it'd be really cool

[01:17:00] if they didn't even tell you they were sending him he just showed up in a box at your house

[01:17:04] one day i i i i i i don't know about that he shipped himself over

[01:17:11] yeah i knew it was coming because they they had contacted me they again going back to how generous

[01:17:18] jack black is they'd reached out to jack black to be the voice of slap before this campaign

[01:17:23] and he said avery jones is the guy that does that so go do that and so they got a hold of me

[01:17:28] and uh i they had some footage from all of those hours and hours of things we filmed

[01:17:34] for the first movie on green screen so they could change graphics in the back and stuff and

[01:17:39] they were like we're just gonna have you do vo and do the unicef ad but there was something

[01:17:45] wrong with the footage or something like that they couldn't get it in high enough res or

[01:17:49] something and so they were like we're just going to ship it to you in contact a studio near you and

[01:17:55] will have you send the footage over and uh that'll be the the campaign this year right i

[01:18:03] i still can't believe that that happened that happened incredibly fast as well uh the

[01:18:10] i feel like i filmed it on a i want to say i filmed it on a wednesday and it was out on a

[01:18:15] friday or something really fast turnaround for for all of that well and uh that was to be the

[01:18:22] running theme of goose bumps stuff can't count how many people we've had on here that said it was just

[01:18:28] go go go go go i think i think that's film in general that's just the the way to go we got

[01:18:35] to make sure we're spending the money in the right places and we got all the right

[01:18:39] puzzle pieces together but now we gotta go where we're burning money so that seems to be the

[01:18:45] the way it goes but i'm yeah this kind of surprises me every time i'm like

[01:18:52] yeah this could have been your opportunity for movies never showed up

[01:18:57] he never showed up you know like you could have been like oh no um he never turned up i didn't

[01:19:03] get sloppy and then that's when you could have been like stashing him somewhere

[01:19:06] could have been like uh it's mine can you send another

[01:19:11] yeah you should probably send like three more i i don't know how many of them i'm gonna lose

[01:19:18] that was just the the ventriloquist puppet that we used for the first movie uh that that puppets

[01:19:23] like $50,000 that there's something i was terrified once i learned the number it was one thing to

[01:19:31] be working on the movie and be like this is cool but when they started putting numbers to it i was

[01:19:36] it's a little freaky yeah it's like i don't want to do anything to this and like

[01:19:43] yeah um speaking of slappy's like design um and i'm curious because you said you were uh

[01:19:50] in kind of involved with the you know like when they were first designing slappy and there were

[01:19:57] some photos of like early concept arts for the first movie and they looked like drastically

[01:20:03] different i remember there was one that looked significantly not it looked a little less like

[01:20:09] slappy but it looked significantly creepier it had like right he had like the the the oh yeah yeah

[01:20:17] there's also the like the the emo kid like like when he's got some weird fringe going on

[01:20:23] yeah that had all been locked in by the time i got there they had already locked into the uh

[01:20:30] the the design that looked like jack and that being that that being the most important part

[01:20:35] of their relationship in that movie so i wasn't around for for that with the ironhead studio

[01:20:41] guys that built them i was around when they did all the mechanics and i had it set up specifically

[01:20:47] for my hands to do uh the easiest uh there are all triggers and levers and things most of

[01:20:53] those puppets only have one control in them but we had a secondary control so he could do more

[01:21:00] at once which is i think why everybody relates him with being so animated because i could do

[01:21:06] eyebrows and all the stuff at the same time rather than having to choose to do eyes or

[01:21:10] eyebrows that they do typically on those dummies that's the thing this version of slapy more

[01:21:15] than any other version the 90s show the new show and what have you is definitely the most

[01:21:22] like expressive it's there's a lot of movement in the face in the eyes i think even i think this is

[01:21:29] also the only one i'm not sure did the 90s show slapy ever blink no no yeah it was only the only

[01:21:38] uh the movie one that had that kind of like really lively expression to him and i think that's what

[01:21:44] made him stand out and there was something about especially in the second movie when

[01:21:49] it allowed him to be sort of in like as beyond said it was very book accurate and there'd be a

[01:21:57] lot of scenes where slapy's just kind of walking around and being creepy especially at night um like

[01:22:03] there's the scene where i've talked about this before absolute favorite scene in goose bumps too

[01:22:08] is when everybody's sleeping slapy's like looks like he's sleeping too his eyes are closed

[01:22:14] he's like his mouth's open and then all of a sudden and he just sits right up and that's like

[01:22:21] haunting i actually remember that was like creepy i actually remember some people had some audible

[01:22:27] reactions in the theater and it's like i didn't expect like who's supposed to have like real

[01:22:32] jump scares that you'd see in like a horror movie holding the screwdriver when he's walking

[01:22:37] down the hallway just like oh my god he's gonna slap someone and he's got like the very evil

[01:22:42] expression on his face with like the flashing light and then especially the theater when

[01:22:51] he's like picking on like the the kid who screwed over sara and um yeah he's like i love that they

[01:23:00] gave him like psychic superpowers in the second one because that's very much what slapy has in

[01:23:05] the books but it just made him so much more dangerous it's like because a lot of people

[01:23:10] are like when it comes to dummies they're kind of like i need just punt the little best

[01:23:18] but like if you like if he has those powers where he can like move you around without even like lifting

[01:23:24] a finger that's turning into a dummy so one of the things that was great on the second movie with

[01:23:32] those uh animatronic puppets that were built for that is the blink was very powerful so you'll see it

[01:23:41] several times in that movie that he's sitting on sonny's couch and nothing's happening really

[01:23:47] with slappy but he blinks a couple of times and it's in its eerie because

[01:23:53] he's alive and and it's just it's just this this uh he's a little dude over there

[01:24:01] he's blinking and he's got the blink just became a really powerful thing i think there's one when

[01:24:07] the kid falls off the ladder and he hits the the deck he just looks down and like blinks a couple

[01:24:13] of times and there's something just about the little little bit of acting in the in the blinks

[01:24:18] that made it really uh really spooky the little like human interactions but he's not human it's like

[01:24:27] that second movie really did a great job of making slappy creepy even down to his motivation

[01:24:34] because he wants like a family but it's like a really twisted version of that and he's gonna do

[01:24:40] like really awful things to kind of get that goal whereas in the first movie we talked about this

[01:24:46] and slappy's great in the first movie but he just kind of wants to i actually it's weird because

[01:24:52] especially how jack does slap his voice sounds a lot like mar camel like in his demeanor and he

[01:25:00] kind of acts like mar camels joker because he's just like well quoting heath ledger stoker he's

[01:25:06] an agent of chaos and uh he just kind of wants to like wreak havoc and just burn the town to

[01:25:13] the ground but in the second movie he has like a legit motivation to do what he does

[01:25:19] but it's creepy it's eerie it's like i don't know it's it's a really well done version of that character

[01:25:28] in terms of an attitude scene in uh tesla tower where he's turning the mom

[01:25:33] his eyes just roll back into this head i was like oh easily the creepiest scene out of either

[01:25:39] goosebumps movie something about that what slapy doing that just was a creep factor

[01:25:49] nope his eyes roll into his head is white eyes so was that something that you chose to do or was

[01:25:55] that something that was actually supposed to be in the script that was it wasn't in the script but

[01:26:01] already the director wanted it so um one of the the robotic puppets rather than the dummy could just

[01:26:08] go side to side with eyes but one of the animatronic puppets could go up and down and

[01:26:12] so we just pushed the eyes up as far as there were still i'd love to see it's not it maybe it's

[01:26:17] creepy or maybe it's not the unedited of that where they don't take them the rest of the way

[01:26:23] out of it he had just like sleepy eyebrow eyelids going on during that freaky incantation

[01:26:33] yeah he's just staring up and the other puppeteer with me he's like what are you doing i was like

[01:26:38] he told me to roll his eyes in his head so i'm doing so yeah that was i there's yeah i i love

[01:26:47] that stuff the tesla tower stuff that set was great and made everything that happened in there

[01:26:52] was freaky well that's exactly it it's like even the more we talk about it the more it's just like

[01:26:58] you know they really had some good ideas with this movie it was like because i remember like

[01:27:05] everybody was just hating on this movie and even back then i mean i was kind of like come on guys

[01:27:10] it's not that bad but the more i watch it the more i'm like this is actually like really good ideas on

[01:27:17] here and it just it was it's more of a goosebumps movie in pure essence of a goosebumps story and

[01:27:25] that's what i like about it personally um yeah i know i like movies a lot better the second one

[01:27:33] because you know the world now and you get to play in the world so we talked earlier before

[01:27:39] we recorded about adam's family and adam's family values there's a lot more silly in adam's family

[01:27:44] values because we already know who these people are and how they operate the rules of the world

[01:27:49] and things like that and i think that's what the second goosebumps is we now know how the books

[01:27:56] work we now know where the monsters come from and now we can just kind of play with the fact that

[01:28:04] slappy can bring anything to life or we confirm those things that may have been true in the first

[01:28:10] movie but we didn't get to explore because we've got to introduce a thousand concepts along the way so

[01:28:17] i i always tend to to lean toward the second is my favorite just because we got the most more

[01:28:23] character based than uh uh action and storytelling based which i think is always fun when the

[01:28:33] characters get released into their environment well that's exactly it and the first movie

[01:28:40] definitely has that monster that monster action in it but it also had to spend a lot of time

[01:28:46] setting up the character's motivations and like really selling the mystique it definitely dwells in

[01:28:54] the in the sort of mysterious nature of things at first because i remember when i watched this

[01:29:01] movie with uh i watched this movie in a one of my high school classes we just watched it for fun

[01:29:07] and the thing about the first movie is it honestly to be honest it's kind of boring

[01:29:13] in the first third because there's not a lot of action going on it's very much kind of like

[01:29:21] setting things up and then once the abominable snowman comes out it's like we're in a different

[01:29:26] movie now yeah we are like what he was saying earlier when he was uh whenever you were telling us

[01:29:32] about how like you were trying to tell people i swear i you know i'm in this hold on just

[01:29:37] we'll just wait a minute slappy will be here in just a minute it'll be a minute it is so that

[01:29:41] first one's really built up while the second one just kind of jumps you right in yeah it's like

[01:29:45] you know what's going on now let's just have some fun with the concept and that's absolutely true

[01:29:51] and that's probably why i like it more because it wastes less time like slappy is introduced

[01:29:57] pretty early on and even though you don't have like all the other monsters in yet

[01:30:03] he's there and he's doing like creepy things and then it just kind of builds and builds and

[01:30:09] builds until we get to that big climatic third half or a third act like in another living dummy

[01:30:16] book it's just like in another living dummy story like you know slappy does these things until the

[01:30:22] climax you know and that's that's what the second movie did and that's why when i watch it now i'm

[01:30:27] like this feels like a goosebumps book you know what i mean like how it starts and then how

[01:30:31] finishes and i i think they're just such a great job with that you know and yeah a lot of people

[01:30:36] have come forward over the years and oh my god i actually really like the second one more now

[01:30:40] i'm just like see yeah it's one of those things absolutely i have to rewatch the second one i haven't

[01:30:47] watched it in a long time i would if y'all were you it's it's a very night movie tonight watch it

[01:30:53] tonight watch it now we want some things about mike at his movie history yeah and then you can

[01:30:58] watch all the other ones you haven't watched you can watch coralline and whatever the list

[01:31:02] mike are you sorry i'm a college student i don't have just endless three times to watch movies

[01:31:11] i have a question about the um so you earlier you had mentioned that before the movie um you had

[01:31:19] not really much knowledge of i mean you knew of slappy um and all that but you weren't like

[01:31:26] really well versed in goosebumps once the movies were done and over with did you like

[01:31:33] look into the books and all that stuff so i read all the slappy books between my audition

[01:31:40] and getting cast so whatever the two three weeks in there i read one two and three and

[01:31:46] bride and um slappy's nightmare whatever else was out at the time um and but but i didn't go beyond

[01:31:57] those um so so i'm still very limited in my goosebumps knowledge it's it's all slappy

[01:32:02] centric well let me ask you then what is your favorite slappy book

[01:32:08] um book i i really like the the bride of the living dummy for some reason it's very funny to me so

[01:32:17] i would say that actually i don't know what i just realized and i think we talked about this

[01:32:24] when we talked with ron alver um for those of you who haven't seen our episode with ron alver

[01:32:29] director writer for the goose bumps 90 show make sure you watch that but we talked with him

[01:32:34] how um it was funny because he knew ronnie you i believe he said he knew ronnie you who

[01:32:41] directed bride of chuckie and he said that that movie came out soon after bride of the living

[01:32:47] dummy and another thing i just realized is that night of the living dummy kind of follows

[01:32:53] the child's play with one two and three and then bride it does did you realize that

[01:33:00] it does good thing we didn't get uh c to the living dummy though

[01:33:06] son of slappy son of slappy you had c to chuckie oh that's all the dolls coming out of the factory

[01:33:16] right he's got he's got spawn of slappy or something like yeah son of slappy you got all the little

[01:33:22] slappy dummies yeah that's i didn't even realize that till just now it's like wow number four

[01:33:28] was bride of the living dummy and also like how in the first night of the living dummy slappy is not

[01:33:33] the main focus much like in the first child's play chuckie is very subdued and you know it's really

[01:33:38] coming to play and then two and three are very slappy heavy same with how two and three child's

[01:33:43] player very heavy with chuckie yeah it's interesting that's crazy maybe slappy and chuckie are more

[01:33:50] somewhere than we uh then we give them credit for well idea for goose bumps three is um goose

[01:33:57] bumps becomes widely popular again because of the events of goose bumps two and they make all these

[01:34:02] slappy dolls in a factory and then slap he's like hmm and he brings them all to life and basically

[01:34:08] they get shipped out to all these different towns so he's causing havoc all over the world

[01:34:13] that would be a good like plot for another goose bumps movie is that because i mean goose bumps

[01:34:19] exists in this universe it's a best-selling book series but it's like what if those books like

[01:34:27] were manufactured and they just brought all these clones of these monsters to life and they just

[01:34:33] instead of one town throughout the whole world like that would be an interesting movie and and

[01:34:39] perhaps in this universe there is even a disney plus series that we don't like very much

[01:34:45] and everyone talks about the other slappies better

[01:34:51] yes oh we even had like an interesting idea too for like a goose bump sequel where all the tim jacobus

[01:34:58] art in like the studio is brings some slide and all the monsters like escape from the artwork

[01:35:04] oh like the paint like they're all dripping down like the pain and then like

[01:35:08] and to trap all the monsters kind of like in the first movie by writing the story

[01:35:12] tim has to paint one big canvas piece of every monster on it to trap them back in see there's

[01:35:19] a story right there but what if someone what if one of the monsters mixes the paint or whatever with

[01:35:24] some monster blood too you throw that in there as well you know well that's the thing about

[01:35:31] especially what they did for the first movie it was such a because as we said at the start of

[01:35:36] this episode when they were first developing goose bumps movie they were having trouble

[01:35:40] figuring it out this plot is a good one because it's sort of a meta sort of thing encapsulates

[01:35:47] all of goose bumps you have aro stein as a main character i mean they really did choose a good plot

[01:35:54] for a goose bumps movie uh because it's either that or i don't know an anthology maybe sort of

[01:36:00] like a like a creep show or something like that yeah well like i was thinking like another idea

[01:36:05] they could have done is the god like the way to do with the scary stories to tell in the

[01:36:08] dark movie where they had like an overarching story and one character experienced a different

[01:36:12] goose bumps entity kind of like what the 2023 show did but obviously more faithfully to the books

[01:36:18] yeah in a way yeah definitely um i guess i have one more question uh to ask you every so you've

[01:36:25] obviously we've said this already but you've been involved with almost every aspect of these

[01:36:31] two movies uh behind the scenes and all that stuff i gotta ask what was probably your favorite

[01:36:39] part of working on these two movies uh so there's the people that worked on the the movies were

[01:36:48] were all very very kind to me in good to be especially the first movie i have no idea

[01:36:54] what i'm doing i'm very great to film and all of that anyway so there were a lot of

[01:36:59] very kind people on that um my favorite is probably not to get too squishy on you here

[01:37:06] but on the second movie uh the props team um katrina rice was the head of props for the

[01:37:13] second movie he's done some great movies you should look her up to um she uh had uh she and

[01:37:19] her husband her fiance rather um were the props team and they i didn't have anywhere to sit for

[01:37:26] lunch at one of the days like a high school movie so they brought me into the prop shop

[01:37:33] and let me hang out with them and so that's just where i would always go once i uh got to the

[01:37:38] offices and uh one of our breaks one of our holiday breaks we were able to go to disney

[01:37:43] world with them and her husband as a photographer so i proposed to my girlfriend at the time

[01:37:51] at disney world and they took all the photos and things for us so they were very involved in that

[01:37:56] and we went back and made our scary movie the next week so that was the people have always been great

[01:38:03] to me but that moment in particular they went above and beyond being being great people

[01:38:08] yeah no that's awesome i mean it just those movies were had a lot of really talented people

[01:38:13] working behind them and uh no i mean it's it's it's great that um so many wonderful people just

[01:38:21] got to bring this these movies together and uh i mean this probably goes without saying if they

[01:38:26] were ever to make a goosebumps three i mean certainly would watch you back as the slapster himself

[01:38:35] well only a few guys riding it we got some good stuff going here right now let's let's get that

[01:38:39] let's get a fan film going we say i get a crowdfund of fan film no that would be

[01:38:44] i actually love that the the paint what the paint idea with tim jacobus you know like trying to

[01:38:51] travel the monsters by actually having to physically paint them i think that's a really cool concept

[01:38:55] because it's like the first one but this time we got to find the artist now you know what i mean so

[01:39:01] like and then stein can be like oh we haven't really spoken over the years you know we had this

[01:39:05] little thing going on about sagey's and die and we kind of just stopped talking after that because

[01:39:10] the funny story how like stein was annoyed that he had to like add in a dream sequence because

[01:39:15] the cover art they loved him's cover art so much of sagey's and die with the photo and the

[01:39:20] skeletons barbecuing that that wasn't in the story and he's like we we kind of didn't really

[01:39:26] talk after that you know so it'd be some funny little jokes and cast it now who plays this

[01:39:31] next to if it's jack as back as stein who is who is the artist there uh that's a good question not to

[01:39:40] put you on the spot but i love i love that idea yeah bruce cambell

[01:39:48] get bruce cambell up in there why the first gamble is tim jacobus oh man hey i mean jack black

[01:39:54] all around stein i mean anything's possible today's just the reunion kyle gas he kind of has that

[01:40:01] tim jacobus look in a way through come on right oh my god yes that's awesome goose pubs is just today's

[01:40:08] just d not danie de vito i thought we were all for danie de vito yeah we should it should be

[01:40:14] danie de vito or owen wilson oh my god willson yeah so here he has experience playing a painter

[01:40:24] yeah that's a great idea i think this is listening good yes well pitch it to them

[01:40:30] pitch it to them yeah well anyway uh that's gonna do it for tonight's episode of the goose bumps

[01:40:36] crew podcast avry thank you so much for uh for joining us and talking some goose bumps with us

[01:40:42] thank you for listening absolutely and uh is there any place that uh people can find you on social

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